Details of the New Triumph Classics

[oldbike54]

They held more than 100 rwhp at bay with less than the thickness of your belt.

But yeah, it would make sense, Street and T120 belt, Thruxton chain. That gives the audience that gives a crap easy gear ratio changes at the sprockets.

 Less than the thickness of my belt  :huh:Still not understanding . Modern chains are tougher than belts , aren't they ?
Don't most modern medium to high performance bikes run chains for this reason , well , besides the change of ratio thing .

  Dusty

[leafman60]

I love the belt drive system and, yes, it would be great on one or two of these new Triumphs. However, I think that Triumph wanted to keep these bikes in the semblance of their tradition and a chain, like the spoked wheels, IS traditional. That, and modern chains are much less troublesome than the links of old. They still require more attention than a belt or a driveshaft but nothing like the old days.

I really like these new Triumphs.

[canuguzzi]

Aside from the occasional lube and once in a great while adjustment which can usually be done in less than a minute, chains are very reliable. That is, if you don't abuse them.

Good chain on a Trophy 1200 producing more power than the Norge, chains last about 17-20 k miles before stretching to replacement values. After the initial adjustment, maintenance nearly practically zero. No oil to change, no seals to think about and with cush rubbers, vibration free.

Shaft drive is overrated. If the Norge had a chain, I'd still buy it.

[molly]

I have two bikes one chain one shaft and have always preferred shaft if possible. Why they are so complicated these days is mystery to me. My eighties Suzuki and Yamaha's had excellent uncomplicated shaft drives and saved a lot of hassle when touring Europe.
My Triumph Tiger Sport as a single sided swing arm and the chain is a bitch to adjust without a main stand. (which is a optional extra). Then it is still awkward to do with the crap c-spanner Triumph provide,  which involves fumbling around behind the rear sprocket to find a castellated ring. I finished up having to use a long bladed screwdriver and hammer to tap the ring  round  to move the chain.
The new dry lubricant sprays do get rid of the build of gunge around the rear end and the  chain is supposed to last 18,000 miles but if I had a choice I would have a bike with the same shaft as my old XJ900 Yam or GS850 Suzuki.

[leafman60]

Thread drift-

How about a Guzzi with a belt drive????....

[Chuck in Indiana]

Thread drift-

How about a Guzzi with a belt drive????....

Why would you want one? 

[Dogwalker]

Thread drift-

How about a Guzzi with a belt drive????....

First they must present an engine with transverse crankshat. Otherwise, there is too much power loss (bevel+belt).

[leafman60]

First they must present an engine with transverse crankshat. Otherwise, there is too much power loss (bevel+belt).

Maybe not.  Even with the shaft there is still a 90 degree turn at the bevel box.

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[leafman60]

Check out the Thruxton R with the factory Track Racer Kit installed-



The Track Racer inspiration kit:
•Sculpted cockpit fairing with lower clip-on handlebars
•Single painted seat cowl (only for the Thruxton as already standard on Thruxton R)
•Rear mudguard removal kit with compact light
•Compact LED Indicators
•Vance & Hines slip on silencers
•Knurled handlebar grips
•Leather tank strap

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[leafman60]

I think I'd leave the stock rear fender on, though. Just my tastes.

[Dogwalker]

Maybe not.  Even with the shaft there is still a 90 degree turn at the bevel box.

With the longitudinal crankshaft there is a 90 degree turn, and the corrispondent loss in power.

With the belt, and a longitudinal crankshaft, there is a 90 degree turn, and the corrispondent loss in power, plus the belt, and the corrispondent loss in power.

They sum up.

[Dogwalker]

•Rear mudguard removal kit with compact light
•Compact LED Indicators

and no licence plate.

[grebmrof]

Not sure if this is a repeat of info on the previous posts, but good summary on MotorcycleDaily:

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/10/triumph-unveils-new-liquid-cooled-bonneville-family-with-1200cc-and-900cc-twins/

...and when you compare all of that to the info on the Triumph website:

http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/Classics

It looks like 2016 is a transition year with Triumph selling both T100s (865, 360 degree, air cooled motor) and T120s (1200, 270 degree, water cooled motor), Thruxtons - (865, 360 degree, air cooled and 1200, 270 degree, water cooled motors).  The Scrambler seems to be only available in 2016 as an 865, 270 degree, air cooled - probably be reintroduced in 2017 as a 900, 270 water cooled motor.  A new offering is the "Street Twin" with a 900, 270 degree, water cooled motor, cast wheels.  So, they have three new water cooled motors, 900 and 1200 (in two tunes) - all 270 degree motors and they are still producing air cooled 865 motors in both 270 and 360 degree cranks.   Also noticed that they are claiming the new 900 water cooled motor delivers 18% more power than the previous engine and 36% better fuel economy.  Interesting stuff...they are moving forward.  So there will have been 16 years of air cooled twins by the new Triumph company before a shift to water cooled in 2016 & 2017.  Sorry if any of this is a repeat of previous posts.

[leafman60]

I hope that Triumph takes a cue from the H-D playbook and good marketing and have the new models loaded and ready for dealer delivery soon to capitalize off the positive reaction to the new introductions.

In sales, having your product placed in the market soon after the hoopla of a new introduction is very effective.

[JeffOlson]

It is still very early, so this information may not be accurate, but I was told yesterday that US dealers can start taking deposits next week and that the new bikes should be available in the US by next April.

[leafman60]

It is still very early, so this information may not be accurate, but I was told yesterday that US dealers can start taking deposits next week and that the new bikes should be available in the US by next April.

That's too long a lag for maximum sales capture.

[clubman]

A couple of thoughts on the new 1200 Thruxton:
1. Ever since I got my V7C in '09 I've thought what a great bike it could be as a V12C using MG's great 4V motor, looks like that's never gonna happen. Triumph has done just that and a lot of people will be looking at this bike.
2. The 750 and 900 twins from both MG and Triumph have been their best sellers mainly because they've both been kept at or below $10K (plus they're both great bikes). If this new 1200 comes in between $13-14K, as many people are speculating, Triumph will be entering any area of much stronger competition. Some of their recent new model launches have fizzled. Hope they do well with this one.

[clubman]

That's too long a lag for maximum sales capture.

Maybe they have to allow enough lead time for all the magazines to do their testing? Magazine tests carry a lot of weight among most shoppers.

[Dogwalker]

If this new 1200 comes in between $13-14K, as many people are speculating,

Taking the prices reported by MCN as good, and doing a rapid proportion with the price of the actual Thruxton in UK and US, The Thruxton "base" will cost 11.500 $, the "R" 15.400 $.
That's consistent with the fact that the R will cost slightly more than a base BMW R Nine T in both countries.

[Kev m]

Taking the prices reported by MCN as good, and doing a rapid proportion with the price of the actual Thruxton in UK and US, The Thruxton "base" will cost 11.500 $, the "R" 15.400 $.
That's consistent with the fact that the R will cost slightly more than a base BMW R Nine T in both countries.

I'll guess that means the T120 will be closer to that magic $10k mark.

The Street Twin, not on the US website yet last I checked, could potentially fill in the < $10k point. If it could approach $8k I think it would do quite well (and that's the bike it is currently replacing).

[rocker59]

My crystal ball prediction for USA market:

Street Twin:  $8990
Bonnie T120: $9990
Thruxton:  $11490
Thruxton R: $13490

Talking out my ass, though, as it's anyone's guess how they'll decide to place them in the market.

And I hope they're prepared to get them to market here sooner than April '16.  People have their wallets out NOW !!!

[canuguzzi]

My crystal ball prediction for USA market:

Street Twin:  $8990
Bonnie T120: $9990
Thruxton:  $11490
Thruxton R: $13490

Talking out my ass, though, as it's anyone's guess how they'll decide to place them in the market.

And I hope they're prepared to get them to market here sooner than April '16.  People have their wallets out NOW !!!

If you think you're talking out your ass, wait until you see what the dealers will be talking out of.

[Kev m]

My crystal ball prediction for USA market:

Street Twin:  $8990
Bonnie T120: $9990
Thruxton:  $11490
Thruxton R: $13490

Talking out my ass, though, as it's anyone's guess how they'll decide to place them in the market.

And I hope they're prepared to get them to market here sooner than April '16.  People have their wallets out NOW !!!

Looks like you might be a bit like me (seeing this optimistically):

Pricing - the Street Twin should cost approx. what a Bonnie standard costs today.  T120s in the $12k range.  The Thruxton R model in the mid-$14's. However, with lots of options, one could drive the price above $16k.

Again, don't hold me to this ..... I was half listening, and at the same time felt like I was interrupting their lunch!

[rocker59]

My crystal ball prediction for USA market:

Street Twin:  $8990
Bonnie T120: $9990
Thruxton:  $11490
Thruxton R: $13490

Talking out my ass, though, as it's anyone's guess how they'll decide to place them in the market.

And I hope they're prepared to get them to market here sooner than April '16.  People have their wallets out NOW !!!

USA Pricing:

http://www.eurosportcycle.com/

...The first bikes to arrive will be the new 900 Street Twin variety starting with a sales price of $8,700 for Black, and $8,950 for all other colors. They are to hit our store in January.

"But I want the 1200 cc motor," you say. Those are slated to come next as the T120 Black and T120 ($11,500 for the Black, $11,750 for Matte Gray and Cinder Red, and $12,000 for all two tones) in March.

The Thruxton R is then set for April with a price tag of $14,500, and bringing up the rear will be the Thruxton in May for $12,500 in Black and $12,750 in Green or White...

[JeffOlson]

but how much do they weigh?

That's a great question. I think the new Thruxtons will weight a good bit more (10%?) than my air-cooled Thruxton but also significantly less than my Norge. I'm guessing around 550 lbs. wet.

[leafman60]

I've been wondering about the weight since the first news of the new models.

The current Hinckley Triumphs (I guess we should be calling them Thailand Triumphs) are no lightweights. However, they hold their own in performance for what they are. 

Looking at the new bikes, I am surmising that their weight should not be far off from the current bikes. If true, the 50-60 horsepower advantage of the new water-cooled bikes should make their power-to-weight ratio pretty sporty.

I just hope Guzzi is coming somewhere into the ballpark of current performance standards with their new V7 engine.

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[Kev m]

I like Jeff's weight predictions, but I might be letting me preferences color my predictions.

[leafman60]

Triumph has done an even better job of designing their throttle bodies to mimic the old-style monobloc Amal carbs.

You wouldn't know this was a fuel-injected bike to look at it.

Also, they done about as well as possible in blending in the radiator.

[bad Chad]

The fact that they are hiding the weight, could only mean one thing the way I see it.

[leafman60]

The fact that they are hiding the weight, could only mean one thing the way I see it.

I don't know that I'd characterize them as actively hiding the weight stats. Few manufacturers tout their weights in promotional literature these days. We have a new model introduction and they logically want to focus on the most positive aspects of the machines and there are many.

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