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Their most famous and iconic motorcycle? Which would that be? The Bicylindrica or the V8?And Peter I suppose I have somewhat fallen for the Stelvio. Why? Because it is a great motorbike that does most things well and very few badly. It has enough performance to be both exciting and enjoyable, is a superb two-up tourer and it has decent enough suspension to be comfortable on just about any road. It's one major Achilles heel is it's weight. I don't look at it when I'm riding it! :DPete
Well I figured I should way in as well...… Not sure if I'm old, I don't feel it and I have owned new and older machines of many different manufacturers and IMHO Newer is not better in most cases.I know it shouldn't be like that but it appears that's the way its working for most..... so that being said I will be holding on to my stable of girls for the foreseeable future.PS Just to keep it real I never miss a chance to ride the next new G Wizzz must have according to GQ mag.... will the next contestant please step up LOL.Enjoy Ciao
Why not a V85 tribute - replica model, as close as possible to their most iconic and famous motorcycle?
Remember the 1000S? That was nearly thirty years ago. People said "Why don't Guzzi build a LeMans again? I'd buy one!" So they built the 1000S and it sat around in showrooms like a stale bottle of inferior beer!Nothing has changedPete
But Kev, AH Fan stated "IMHO".Wouldn't that cover your problem with him not adding "to me"?
Single side shock.. Ohlins maybe?
I'm in two minds about this, espcailly as no one has ridden the V85TT so no idea if the motor lives up to the claims. An 80hp shaft driven bike with twin shocks? I've ridden them, they're crap and Ohlins will simply be rolling a turd in glitter, it may help but you are trying to get around physics. Modern production version of the paraleogrammo a version of the CARC system or the anti jacking system on the spine frames. Something needs to be done I'm somewhat skeptical of the V85TT as it doesn't seem to have an anti jacking system the Quota sorta worked although the shock wasn't bolted directly to the final drive and it wasn't a cure especially if they have any intention of widening their market base.The real issue is modern bikes are now so far ahead of anything offered from Guzzi they really need to stop pandering to the past and do something different, a Hyabusa hunting V8 sports tourer? An all electric sports bike?
Every single model they’ve trotted out to compete with modern bikes has been a failure or as with the CARC bikes, an evolutionary dead end.
Indeed. The CARC bikes might have succeeded if they weren't such an obvious copy of BMWs product line, except one or more evolutionary steps behind. The Griso is an exception and one that reflected much better on the brand, but I'd maintain that no company will ever build or rebuild a brand by copying another successful product. Piaggio has seemingly figured that out at last, and is slowly rebuilding the brand with the V7s. I think if they keep going, building economical but stylish, distinct Guzzis first then slowly moving upmarket, they stand a much better chance of succeeding.The V85TT is a way to move a little bit progressively upmarket, exploiting a niche for a more 'grounded' adventure bike that has been vacated by competitors. The styling and concept is good enough. The only thing it needs now is to perform 'well enough' to get good reviews. The small block V7 has already shown it doesn't have to be a Superbike like the original to be successful, and similarly the V85TT won't need to have numbers like a R12GS. If the TT works out I think you can be sure the next one will be a V85 street bike.
I'm in two minds about this, espcailly as no one has ridden the V85TT so no idea if the motor lives up to the claims. An 80hp shaft driven bike with twin shocks?
The TT has a single shock and an Ohlins option.
No Martin. The CARC series bikes were really competitive in their field. The problem was that the old codgers were upset by them and the general public were ignorant of them.I know you'll never agree but that's the truth of it.Pete
Yes, it does, but a cantilever rear end is really a bit so-so on the back of a bike supposed to have dirt road capability.Having said that once I'd bought it a decent shock my Mana was actually a very nice machine both on tar and graded dirt but it's fat, road tyres meant it was never going off road.Pete
Remember the 1000S? That was nearly thirty years ago. People said "Why don't Guzzi build a LeMans again? I'd buy one!" So they built the 1000S and it sat around in showrooms like a stale bottle of inferior beer!Back then the idea of a 'Sporting Tonti' was already a ludicrous anachronism. Nothing has changed. If they were to build a facsimile of the LeMans now it would still sell like rat sandwiches. Move on for Christ's sakes!Pete