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No Time To Die
« on: October 10, 2021, 11:44:42 AM »
Spoiler alert, not giving away any plot here, just giving my opinion.

I saw the new Bond film No Time To Die last Friday. I've been a huge Bond fan since seeing Thunderball when I was 8 years old. My favorite Bonds in descending order are Sean Connery, Daniel Craig, George Lazenby (On Her Majesty's Secret Service), Roger Moore, then Pierce Brosnan. Won't mention others. No Time To Die got universally glowing reviews. Me? Meh. It's a chick flick. Craig gets all emotional far too often. I miss the misogynistic, womanizing, cad that I know Bond to be. The attempts at witty humor largely fall flat. I actually enjoyed Roger Moore cracking stupid jokes. I loved Craig in Casino Royale when he stuck to his brooding, tough guy schtick. Now the future of Bond movies is in peril. What a run though.

On another note, this movie is almost 3 hours long. While lined up shoulder to shoulder at the bathroom urinals afterwards with 5 other guys, It occurred to me that they should have named the movie No Time To Pee.
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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2021, 01:54:07 PM »
On another note, this movie is almost 3 hours long. While lined up shoulder to shoulder at the bathroom urinals afterwards with 5 other guys, It occurred to me that they should have named the movie No Time To Pee.
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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2021, 07:07:29 PM »
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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2021, 08:25:41 PM »
James Bond as written in the 60’s and played by Sean Connery, ( my favorite also, even though I grew up with Roger Moore as Bond), is gone forever.
Too many people are offended by the sexist stereotypes. Even thought there women in the early Bond movies, most of the females were damsels in distress.
Daniel Craig has been a great Bond for the time. Tough and confident while more respectful of women.
Have not seen the new one.
Rumors of a female Bond are on the internet, that would truly be something different..

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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2021, 09:05:04 PM »
I'm a lifelong Bond fanboy. I can live with the invisible cars, windsurfing a sunami, and impossible stunts. Having anyone other than a white male actor with a passable Scottish accent playing the lead role would be like Pee Wee Herman playing the lead in "Shaft."  :grin: 
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2021, 09:19:11 PM »
I saw it today, and will politely disagree with many of the thoughts posted already.

Although not alive when many of them were released, I have seen every Bond film, and Daniel Craig is the best one. He's the only one who's been a character fleshed out enough to be remotely human. All the others are no different than every one trick pony superhero characters that are so popular today. If I wanted an unstoppable and emotionless one dimensional character, I'd just watch one of the two dozen Marvel films that come out every year.

As far as speculation on the next Bond, I'll be refraining from my thoughts on that as I don't want my apparently "progressive" nature to end up getting this thread locked. Change isn't something to be afraid of, especially when it's just a film character.

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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2021, 02:04:04 AM »
  did someone say bond....? 007 at your service, on " secret mission" in remote Alaska (white mountain) astride 2003 ski-doo 007 special edition being chased by two " mini-villians" on a Yamaha bravo.



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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2021, 06:17:34 AM »
I thought Craig was the best ever, by a long way. But then I'm not a huge fan of the whole franchise. Its OK. As long is Bond is a Commander in the Royal Navy, that's about all that's needed. Idris Elba would have been great!
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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2021, 07:21:42 AM »
James Bond as written in the 60’s and played by Sean Connery, ( my favorite also, even though I grew up with Roger Moore as Bond), is gone forever.
Too many people are offended by the sexist stereotypes. Even thought there women in the early Bond movies, most of the females were damsels in distress.
Daniel Craig has been a great Bond for the time. Tough and confident while more respectful of women.
Have not seen the new one.
Rumors of a female Bond are on the internet, that would truly be something different..

I heard rumors that the next Bond will be female as well.  I disagree w the idea, as that's not "Bond" at all.

The French did a series of Bond-like comedies, called OSS 177, that are really funny.  I think they also did serious versions of OSS 117, but I haven't seen any yet.

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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2021, 07:25:12 AM »
Maybe Bond has finally run his course.  I think your approach to Bond depends on your age.  The books by Fleming were more hard boiled than the movies tended to be.  More tradecraft, less toys and less kissy face.  But, as a movie producer, you have to hold an audience's attention for 2 hours and if you stuck to the books, you probably had an hour of material.  I think the original few stayed closer to the books, but by Roger Moore's time, they almost became cartoon-like.  Moore has his fans as many of the movies were great fun if you didn't take them seriously. 
Bond is just one of those cultural phenoms of its times like Star Trek or Star Wars.  Speaking of which, the Trek franchise was able to change with the times because they just created a new captain every once in a while. Bond always has to be Bond. Some people will like how the producers change the character, others feel betrayed. Life goes on.
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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2021, 11:17:22 AM »
I prefer my spies to be a bit more realistic; less James Bond and more George Smiley, Ricky Tarr, and of course Jim Prideux as played by the excellent Mark Strong. Even Rudolf Abel.
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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2021, 11:29:15 AM »
There may be only one James Bond, but Agent 007 can be any race or gender. I think a female Agent 007 of Indian or Hong Kong descent would be pretty bad ass.


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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2021, 12:33:17 PM »
Ill throw in my .02, I think Sean was the best and of course the one many think of when they think JB. I thought :popcorn: Roger was also good but a bit on the corny side and he even played it up that way, I heard an interesting quote on the today show, one of the anchors said he though Pierce was the best JB with the worst stories or something to that effect,

I also like DC but I thought he made a comment to the effect that he would rather walk over broken glass than do another 007 movie.

I think as times change, the story lines will be less sexist, etc and characters like Pussy Galore will be named differently. :popcorn:

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2021, 12:57:11 PM »


I think as times change, the story lines will be less sexist, etc and characters like Pussy Galore will be named differently. :popcorn:

"Pussy galore" was over the top even for the era it came out.  Made things too cartoonish.
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2021, 01:20:25 PM »
Spoiler alert, not giving away any plot here, just giving my opinion.

I saw the new Bond film No Time To Die last Friday. I've been a huge Bond fan since seeing Thunderball when I was 8 years old. My favorite Bonds in descending order are Sean Connery, Daniel Craig, George Lazenby (On Her Majesty's Secret Service), Roger Moore, then Pierce Brosnan. Won't mention others. No Time To Die got universally glowing reviews. Me? Meh. It's a chick flick. Craig gets all emotional far too often. I miss the misogynistic, womanizing, cad that I know Bond to be. The attempts at witty humor largely fall flat. I actually enjoyed Roger Moore cracking stupid jokes. I loved Craig in Casino Royale when he stuck to his brooding, tough guy schtick. Now the future of Bond movies is in peril. What a run though.

On another note, this movie is almost 3 hours long. While lined up shoulder to shoulder at the bathroom urinals afterwards with 5 other guys, It occurred to me that they should have named the movie No Time To Pee.

My favorite Bond movies were "From Russia with Love" and (the "Bond franchise" version of) "Casino Royale".  I liked them because they could plausibly be true, unlike all the other farfetched plots.   And they also happen to be chick flicks too.

For the reboot,  I'd like to see "Commander Bond":   Younger Royal Navy man that becomes 007 at the end of the movie.  I have thoughts on the screenplay, perhaps the Broccoli's will pay me for it?   And then the other movies to follow.
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Re: No Time To Die
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2021, 01:26:21 PM »
a white dude named James Bond is probably not the way forward for the series...  Hell, there have been like 30 movies around the "same" agent and half of them are so cheesey you can't sit thru it, so Mr. Bond has run his race...

Good thing we have agents 001-006 and 008-????? to follow along and tell the tales.  I do like the idea of an agent descended from one of the colonies picking up the mantle: India, Singapore, Malaysia, or Saharan Africa... Could be cool!  No Australians tho, them fellers talk funny  :popcorn:
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2021, 01:27:58 PM »
Ya'll got one thing 100% right tho... no movie should be 3 hours!  Remember when movies ran 90min? What happened to that?
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2021, 02:49:37 PM »
Bond? James Bond? Never heard of her.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2021, 03:50:59 PM »
a white dude named James Bond is probably not the way forward for the series...  Hell, there have been like 30 movies around the "same" agent and half of them are so cheesey you can't sit thru it, so Mr. Bond has run his race...

Good thing we have agents 001-006 and 008-????? to follow along and tell the tales.  I do like the idea of an agent descended from one of the colonies picking up the mantle: India, Singapore, Malaysia, or Saharan Africa... Could be cool!  No Australians tho, them fellers talk funny  :popcorn:

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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2021, 05:08:47 PM »
^   aaaah I read Le Carré's Karla trilogy this summer, enjoyed them all very much.
But I  did miss the film, seems I should do something about that.

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2021, 05:31:41 PM »
Does Bond die in the end?

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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2021, 08:07:26 PM »
I actually found the plot of Quantum of Solace to be somewhat believable: generic South American dictator privatizes his entire country's water supply, and badness ensues. Not exactly fiction.
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2021, 09:05:05 PM »
Everybody has their favorites, I suppose. To me, Bond is Connery, Moore & Brosnan. I've never been impressed with Craig.
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2021, 02:24:46 AM »
a white dude named James Bond is probably not the way forward for the series...  Hell, there have been like 30 movies around the "same" agent and half of them are so cheesey you can't sit thru it, so Mr. Bond has run his race...

Good thing we have agents 001-006 and 008-????? to follow along and tell the tales.  I do like the idea of an agent descended from one of the colonies picking up the mantle: India, Singapore, Malaysia, or Saharan Africa... Could be cool!  No Australians tho, them fellers talk funny  :popcorn:

Too Late Mr Mayor, there was an Australian who played 007 some years ago, he only lasted one movie though. Perhaps someone from the US next time, as it would qualify as a former colony (or several!)

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Pee Wee Herman playing the lead in "Shaft."  :grin:
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2021, 07:46:02 AM »
In regard to "George Smiley" video.  As much as I admire Oldman as an actor, try to find the original 6 episode PBS version.  To me, the movie format required far too much cutting of the story. Sir Alec Guiness, Ian Richardson - some of the finest Brit actors of their generation.
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2021, 10:06:23 AM »
In regard to "George Smiley" video.  As much as I admire Oldman as an actor, try to find the original 6 episode PBS version.  To me, the movie format required far too much cutting of the story. Sir Alec Guiness, Ian Richardson - some of the finest Brit actors of their generation.

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2021, 12:09:26 PM »
I really liked both versions. Anyone remember "Callan" - that was pretty gritty.
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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2021, 12:25:08 PM »
Actually that would be a bit like art imitating life..

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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2021, 12:36:26 PM »
Just for fun, If you folks had to pick ONE James Bond movie as being the "best ever" what would that be?  Or  possibly the "top three"?  I an not a big TV person, and have only seen a couple of James Bond movies. I would like to watch a couple before going to the theatre with my wife to see this new one.
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