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Any good treatments for arthritis?
There's is so much hokum on the internet, not sure what to believe.
I'm 56, and for the first time I'm getting pain in my weak (left) hand. Doesn't bother the clutch (yet) but it makes it tiring to wear my gloves, screw in bolts, and other simple tasks.
Joe
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The *oil*
Dusty
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The *oil*
Dusty
what? 30 wt?
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Any good treatments for arthritis?
There's is so much hokum on the internet, not sure what to believe.
I'm 56, and for the first time I'm getting pain in my weak (left) hand. Doesn't bother the clutch (yet) but it makes it tiring to wear my gloves, screw in bolts, and other simple tasks.
Hey Joe, I've been using elastic/neoprene support stuff for years and it really helps. You can get fingerless gloves, wrist, and elbow supports at the medical section of your local Box store. I've used them all at various times and they're cheap and seem to help me a lot. Also taking Ibuprofen and Acetomyophin in combination (half dosage of each) really helps. My neighbor takes the hemp oil derivative and swears by it, but I've never tried it and it's not legal everywhere. So don't use it if you go to Disneyland. Getting' old's not for sissies!
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I have arthur in my hands. I got a Convert in anticipation of the day when working the clutch won't be doable anymore. And when it get's hard to balance the bike, I'll hang a sidecar on it.
Rich A
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Hey Joe, I've been using elastic/neoprene support stuff for years and it really helps. You can get fingerless gloves, wrist, and elbow supports at the medical section of your local Box store. I've used them all at various times and they're cheap and seem to help me a lot. Also taking Ibuprofen and Acetomyophin in combination (half dosage of each) really helps. My neighbor takes the hemp oil derivative and swears by it, but I've never tried it and it's not legal everywhere. So don't use it if you go to Disneyland. Getting' old's not for sissies!
Thanks Goose,
I can't take hemp oil (get drug tested at work) but a support glove is cheap enough. Thanks for the idea.
Joe
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Best things for arthritis is said to be exercise. Lack of motion makes it worse. Based on that I would suggest hand grip exercisers.
Got these on Amazon and seem pretty good for the $$.
https://www.amazon.com/Luxon-Strengthener-Adjustable-Resistance-22-110/dp/B01M0VIAJN/ref=pd_ybh_a_60?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=RY3SD27DV47D5KAM57DA
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G'day.
I had/have the same issue.
It got bad enough that I could hardly open a twist top bottle about 10 years ago.
I remembered the old stories from Mum and grandparents about having to endure a teaspoon of Cod Liver oil twice a day when they were young and tried it !
Bloody awful stuff and thought there had to be a better way!
Fish oil tablets !!
No manky taste and it bloody works.
I take 4 x 1000 mg tablets a day and have no pain.
Sometimes when I'm on holidays and forget for a couple of days and sure enough it starts again but disappears once again when I resume!
Swear by it and no issues.
I don't believe the claims about it being good for the heart but it sure as hell works for Arthur itis and his ruemy mate!!
Cheers Guzzler.
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Oh I also agree with Darren there about exercise !
I was give a little rubber stress ball years ago and after coming home from a ride with a knackered clutch hand awhile ago started using it!
This was due to fatigue in my hand but started using the ball and it does certainly help.
I can ride all day now and don't have a problem with the left hand and clutch any more!
I know what works for one may not work for another but things have certainly worked for me and cost wise ha bugger all.
Cheers Guzzler
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Thank you Darren and Guzzler for the info about exercise.
Perhaps that's why this has showed up in my weak hand before my strong hand.
I'll get an exercise ball/gripper and start w that.
Thank you,
Joe
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A friend started having trouble with arthritis in his clutch hand, and he installed an easy pull clutch system. Swears by it. There are several different outfits that make snd sell them.
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Hey Joe, call me old fashioned but I still swear by the old Epsom salt, warm water soaks for joint pain. Next time your at the doc's have them check for rheumatoid as you want to catch that one early. Sounds more like wear and tear though, hope it resolves with some tlc.
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Thank you Darren and Guzzler for the info about exercise.
Perhaps that's why this has showed up in my weak hand before my strong hand.
I'll get an exercise ball/gripper and start w that.
Thank you,
Joe
Hey Joe, While exercise is great for the muscles, you have to keep in mind that arthritis is a degenerative disease of the joints with no real cure. Over-doing the exercise will likely make the condition worse. I recommend starting off easy, get a soft rubber sponge ball, like they sell in the kids store, and squeeze that for a while. If it seems to help, then progress up to a hard rubber ball or grip exercisers. I've had the dreaded big "A" in my thumb and first two fingers for twenty years or more. Light repetitive exercise does help, but harder stuff just makes it worse. I switch off and use my left hand a lot more now, but it's starting to show the same symptoms. Take it easy with whatever you do until it seems to help.
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Although most studies of Chondroitin/Glucosamine for DJD have been unimpressive in results, a well designed double blind study in 2011 (https://www.webmd.com/osteoarthritis/news/20110906/supplement-may-ease-pain-of-hand-osteoarthritis) prompted me to start taking it for my progressive hand symptoms. Not a wonder drug, but I believe I can tell when I’ve been off it a week or so. YMMV.
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Ah, the “itis” brothers Arthur, Bur. Tendon I know them well. 35 years of air tools.
For some temporary relief on my right wrist (my dominate side) I’ve been using a transdermal goo of 4-5% of lidocaine,aspercreme is one brand there are many. I’ll throw some in my saddlebag & bring it to sweet Evalina’s Sunday. No I’m not bringing enough for everyone !! I get several hours of moderate ,not total relief hey it’s worth a try & free.
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No smart remark intended. What about a bike with a DCT transmission or a large scooter? You're still in the wind.
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Thank you all for the information. I can still ride fine with a regular clutch, but I want to get ahead of it while I still can.
Looks like light exercise and some pain treatments are the way to go.
Joe
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Something on the tv here a couple of days ago suggested using Rose Hip or you could try Turmeric. After a stint in hospital with Sepsis I ended up with RA in every part of my body overnight. I now take copious amounts of medication to get through each day.
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My sister in law told about a thing she's trying out for joint pain. You get some prunes and soak them in gin for a couple of days and then have one each night before you go to bed. I don't know if it would work, but you'd sure get a good night's sleep.
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Stubbie, sorry to hear how you got afflicted. That's a tough break, for sure.
Wyno, gin and prunes, eh? Well I've got plenty of gin....
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I use CBD wax. rub it on joints and the pain goes away.
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I have "trauma-induced osteoarthritis" in a number of joints due to old injuries, including my left hand (hit by a truck mirror while walking along a highway with my thumb out trying to hitch a ride). A heaping tablespoon of tumeric morning and night make a huge difference in how much pain and inflammation I have to endure, with no side effects. Exercise helps, too, but make sure it includes a full range of motion. Once you squeeze that ball for a few reps, be sure to flex your fingers open and closed and roll your wrist. It's not all bad, though. Enough has built up in my knee that it keeps my kneecap from dislocating anymore!
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I have found heat to be the best relief. I wash our dishes by hand several times a day.
Something I did years ago when it was really bad for me was to melt a couple bricks of Gulf wax with a bottle of mineral oil in a crock pot. On low of course. Dip your hands into it and pull them out to let cool. Dip again and again like you're making your hands into a candle. Leave that on your hands as long as you can stand it. Then peel it off. That was some deep penetrating warmth and as a side benefit, it really moistens your skin and softens calluses.
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I use CBD wax. rub it on joints and the pain goes away.
Hmmm..I never tried it but I don't really have bothersome arthritis... So I just roll a joint with CBD's evil brother .. :evil:
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Ive found that MSM is amazing. I've got arthritis in my hands back and hip. Buy it on Amazon.
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Bulldog, I'm leary of MSM and other "supplements." There's so much snake oil out there, it's hard to tell what's real and what's not. I'll consider MSM if it get worse.
Sidecarnutz, that hot wax is serious treatment. I'm not at your level now, but might be there sooner than I want.
Ryan, you have my sympathy. Thanks for the info about range of motion.
Sasquatch, no magic oil for me. I get drug tested at work.
Thank you all,
Joe
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Hi Joe. The clutch hand can be a real pain.
As I have arthritis in a number of joints, (feet, was in hip :grin:, hands, spine and shoulder) I have been doing a regimen of little stuff to help keep moving, some admittedly from anecdotal sources. I take fish oil as someone has already said, and a morning anti-inflammatory for my feet; when it's painful to stand or walk it throws the whole body out and the spine quickly lets you know. At lunchtime I have a salad from stuff from the garden and the dressing is a liberal spray of cider vinegar with a drizzle of olive oil. I can honestly say that the cider vinegar really helps with the nighttime cramp in my feet. Four days without it and the cramps come back, start taking it again and the cramps go. Tested three or four times and I can tell you it is not imagination. Steady light exercise on my gym machine also helps.
As far as the clutch hand goes, the biggest help was changing the levers. For the price of one replacement clutch lever I got off AliExpress a pair of adjustable, extendable and foldable levers, 6061 anodized CNC'd and precisely matching the red and black of the Breva. I have the clutch lever set as close to the bar as it will go, and because of the shape of the lever it still has plenty of cable adjustment available and still fully releases the clutch. Made my riding a whole lot easier.
Getting old ain't for sissies! :grin:
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I use this gel on my wrists and neck. The only side effects are the desire to run through fields and munch on grass but my joints feel better.
(https://i.ibb.co/cXRVw6d/BC348-B11-E895-49-A3-AB5-D-63-C32-A67-C9-C0.jpg)
I purchased this bottle at Tractor supply but of course it is on Amazon. I haven’t tried this product, but it is suppose to be even better than the above topical analgesic and it’s called Biofreeze Professional roll on.
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I've never used this brand, but it looks like it is based on Horse liniment AKA DMSO. It works on the same principle as MSM, is a sulfide that penetrates membranes, reduces inflammation and literally cleans free radicals, oxides and scar tissue out of ligaments and joints and gives amazing pain relief. My Uncles are horsemen, they show, breed and train quarter horses, farriers, etc.
Years ago, my uncle had the real deal vet grade DMSO, and would apply it to his horses. Would work miracles. You were supposed to use gloves, but one time he forgot. He had been working with his hands, was a golden glove boxer in the 50's and had bad arthritis and pain. Within 2 hours of applying the DMSO to the horses without gloves, his hand pain as 50%. He started using it and in 3-4 days was pain free. Fast forward to the 90's and I had so much knee pain and damage, on my 2nd knee surgery, he asked me to trust him and started a 4 day cycle of application over Christmas. I went from lame to 90% pain free.
I dont apply DMSO anymore, but have been taking MSM for several years. Is all natural, and when I was on 3 800MG's of Motrin a day and other pain meds without any relief, I remembered the DMSO, did some research and discovered that the sulfides had similar effects, I started taking MSM, amazing results. I have used a similar topical application to this and it worked well, but my maintenance on MSM has done wonders. I dont take any pain killers at all with the exception of injuries, etc.
To the OP, do some research on MSM, has many benefits. I have been taking for 6+ years, and referred dozens of people all with same results. Less pain, better flexibility, less pain and inflammation over all. PLUS, it is all natural not some pharmaceutical synthetic drug. I'm not a granola naturalist kind of guy, but do prefer a natural supplement over a man made drug.
I use this gel on my wrists and neck. The only side effects are the desire to run through fields and munch on grass but my joints feel better.
(https://i.ibb.co/cXRVw6d/BC348-B11-E895-49-A3-AB5-D-63-C32-A67-C9-C0.jpg)
I purchased this bottle at Tractor supply but of course it is on Amazon. I haven’t tried this product, but it is suppose to be even better than the above topical analgesic and it’s called Biofreeze Professional roll on.
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Might be a good excuse to try an older Harley with the shift on the tank and the suicide clutch!
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Wyno funny you should mention prunes and gin. Just turned on the tv to watch the AFL and on SBS there is a guy talking about prunes and gin for pain relief. Soak your prunes in gin for 2 weeks and then eat a couple every night before bed. He recons he doesn't suffer any of those old body pains any more.
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My brother and his wife live near Camperdown (Vic) and one of the old farmers near them swears by it He's been doing it for years. Mind you he's pissed most days.
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Thanks everyone for chiming in with what has worked for them.
As for MSM and DSMO, I'm leary of using anything that's not backed scientific testing and validation. I'm also not sure about the "all natural" label. DSMO is short for di-methysulfoxide, and MSM is short for methylsulfonylmetha ne. Those sound like chemicals to me.
They must work, if they've helped you all, but I'll proceed cautiously on this.
Joe
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I have two kinds of arthritis, osteo and rheumatoid. Xeljanz for the latter and Mobic for osteo. Neither is perfect but both are better than nothing. Voltaren Emulgel does not work on either, for me. Good luck mate :thumb:
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Mate I probably missed whether you have a manual or hydraulic clutch, but if hydraulic.
In anticipation of your clutch hand giving you buggery, I would work towards getting some mechanical advantage into the clutch circuit.
If hydraulic, a m/c with slightly smaller piston will make the clutch lighter but will use more lever throw throughout the range, so make sure you can still free the clutch fully for gear engagement and idling etc...
Just a suggestion of the problem arises.
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Mate I probably missed whether you have a manual or hydraulic clutch, but if hydraulic.
In anticipation of your clutch hand giving you buggery, I would work towards getting some mechanical advantage into the clutch circuit.
If hydraulic, a m/c with slightly smaller piston will make the clutch lighter but will use more lever throw throughout the range, so make sure you can still free the clutch fully for gear engagement and idling etc...
Just a suggestion of the problem arises.
Huzo,
I have a cable clutch. The irony is that I have no problem w the clutch, but the arthritis fatigues and pains my hand just from wearing the riding glove.
The pain is erratic, comes and goes. The clutch is okay, but turning a screw won't be. Or the screw will ok, but using pliers will hurt. I haven't started any pain medicine yet, so I've a ways to go. I'm surprised there's no effective treatments to stop the progression.
Joe
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I understand where you're coming from. I'm not one of these health food naturalist devotees, but would prefer a less pharmaceutical approach 2 my medical care.
You have to be comfortable with whatever you put in your body. Of course Bourbon and cigars don't count :-) haha
There is a fairly large body of research done on DMSO and MSM, did a quick search in the NIH archives (used to work as a biomedical ethicist for the department of defense). check out the article, but don't expect your doctor to prescribe this because there is no money to be made in the pharmaceutical trade.... And that is what drives most of the medical profession.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5372953/
Just hate to see folks suffer in pain, and I know that this supplement has done wonders for me and taking me off the long list of medicines the doctors were trying to use to deal with all of my pain and injuries. And no I don't have stock in DMSO or MSM :-) I wish you the best brother!
Thanks everyone for chiming in with what has worked for them.
As for MSM and DSMO, I'm leary of using anything that's not backed scientific testing and validation. I'm also not sure about the "all natural" label. DSMO is short for di-methysulfoxide, and MSM is short for methylsulfonylmetha ne. Those sound like chemicals to me.
They must work, if they've helped you all, but I'll proceed cautiously on this.
Joe
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Take 2 Converts and call me in the morning
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One of my riding buddies is physical therapist. I always ask him for free advice. I did have a shoulder issue that was pretty annoying, in that case I had to go see him. I was able to work both shoulders with his rehab instructions and then switched over to regular exercise program.
I guess my advice, is to not ask for advice on the internet but see a pro.
BTW- when say pro, I don't necessarily mean a GP. See an actual therapist or medical specialist. Most doctors know much more than laymen but about half what a specialist does.
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+1 for PT.
In my organization you have to see a GP to get a referral to a physical therapist. But chances are you are going to end up there anyway, so you might as well go sooner rather than later.
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I've found that fish oil really helps. I have knees pains but it seems to have cleared my hand pains as well. Anti-inflammatory ya know.
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Great advice overall. Such different opinions and experiences. I stopped w fish oil, but maybe I'll start again. And I'll see my gp and a specialist. It's not really bad, but I'd like to get ahead of it.
On top of everything else, I get drug tested at work, so I avoid supplements because you never know what will trigger the test and lead to a lot of drama.
Joe
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5372953/
Bulldog9
re MSM and your link. I am using prednisolone for inflammation and while it is working according to monthly blood tests, I have to take Pariet to counteract the stomach/oesophagus-pain-issues associated with steroid and Mobic use.
And just where does this get us/you/sign216? Just another option, I suppose but note that I for one, seem to need Mobic and prenisolone, at least according to my Rheumatologist.
But I note the comment about what, "drives" the medical profession.
All the Best :thumb:
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Great advice overall. Such different opinions and experiences. I stopped w fish oil, but maybe I'll start again. And I'll see my gp and a specialist. It's not really bad, but I'd like to get ahead of it.
On top of everything else, I get drug tested at work, so I avoid supplements because you never know what will trigger the test and lead to a lot of drama.
Joe
Uncle Sam makes me pee in a cup at least 4X a year. No issues, lol.
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Bulldog9
And just where does this get us/you/sign216? Just another option, I suppose but note that I for one, seem to need Mobic and prenisolone, at least according to my Rheumatologist.
I was put on Prednisone when I had contracted a rather nasty and painful auto immune thing. I had actually worked out what I had before the experts, read up about the treatment, and the problems with Prednisone.
It has a nasty side effect of dissolving scar tissue, and by the time I finished with the treatment I had in quick succession two hernias, a tendon literally fall off and one hip simply collapsed over 4-5 months. The final coming off, at .5mg per month would send me into depression for about three weeks with one week of semi normality before hitting the depression again.
I guess it enabled me to continue in my job; the cost was pretty high though, both mentally and in my pocket with the associated problems it caused.
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Prednisone can also lower your immunity. I ended up getting shingles and I still have tingles in my left leg after 18 month off the drug.
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Holy shit. The prescribed drug for this, Prednisone, appears to have more complications than the issue it "solves."
Good to know.
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Holy shit. The prescribed drug for this, Prednisone, appears to have more complications than the issue it "solves."
Good to know.
Joe, Prednisone has amazing anti inflammatory properties and works when nothing else does. Therein lies the crunch. If you are crippled, then being able to function is a bonus. It is the perfect Catch 22 drug.
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I asked my pharmacist, and he said that some forms of arthritis are caused by inflammation of the joints, and can be treated w over the counter anti-inflammatories like Ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil) and Naproxen (Aleve). I asked about aspirin, and he said it's an inflammatory, but the side effects (ulcers, etc) out weight the benefits, esp. in the high effective doses.
He cautioned that the anti-inflammatory drugs put stress on the liver/kidneys, so be aware.
A search showed that arthritis has dozens of causes however. So...the battle continues.
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Try the v85TT. One of the reasons I bought it, is the extremely light clutch (not even hydraulic).
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Try a V85 TT, it has an extremely light clutch handle.
I ride in a small group, most of which ride Guzzi.
One of my friends, who has severe arthritis, tried a V85.
He was thrilled, and most dissapointed when his partner (pillion) did not like it.
I'm an old old fart, and both me and my pillion like the V85, very gentle on the joints ;-)
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I asked my pharmacist, and he said that some forms of arthritis are caused by inflammation of the joints, and can be treated w over the counter anti-inflammatories like Ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil) and Naproxen (Aleve). I asked about aspirin, and he said it's an inflammatory, but the side effects (ulcers, etc) out weight the benefits, esp. in the high effective doses.
He cautioned that the anti-inflammatory drugs put stress on the liver/kidneys, so be aware.
A search showed that arthritis has dozens of causes however. So...the battle continues.
I commented on this before, but there's so much mis-information out there, well I never could leave well enough alone...
From what I've read, there's basically two types of arthritis, rheumatoid and osteo-arthritis. Neither has a cure, short of joint replacement.
Rheumatoid arthritis is an auto-immune disease; the body is for some reason attacking the joint lining. It can be treated with corticosteroids to suppress the body's immune system, and anti-inflammatories, to reduce swelling and pain. They both have side effects.
Osteo-arthritis, to put it simply, is joint degeneration due to aging, injury, or over use of the joint. It's apparently genetic, as some have thicker cartilage on the joint surface than others. Once the cartilage has worn away (bone on bone) joint replacement currently is the only proven option. It can be treated temporarily with anti-inflammatories (NSAIDS) like Aleve (Naproxen), Ibuprofen, Acetaminophen, or aspirin.
Not sure why the pharmacist was down on aspirin. I've taken it for years with no side effects. Like any NSAID, it's important to take it after meals, so it's absorbed on a full stomach. I was on naproxen for a year for hip pain and it elevated my blood pressure by twenty points. The Dr was dismissive of my claim on this, but when I quit taking it, the BP went back to normal. So there's that.
Here's a partial list of the things I've tried that DID NOT help:
Fish oil
Glucosamine/Chondroitin
MSM
Hyaluronic acid
Mega vitamins: A, B complex, C, D, E
Mega minerals: Cal. Mag. Zinc
Physical therapy
Various joint strengthening exercises
I've also talked to several people who've had the cartilage replacement injections and they all wound up getting the joints replaced.
So what's the answer? Well for me it's been the several joint replacements (knees, hips), light exercise, stretching, and aspirin. Lately I've tried Ibuprofen and Acetaminophen in combination, taking half dosage of each. This minimizes the side effects and supposedly promotes synergistic treatment effects. Haven't taken it long enough to be sure, but it looks promising.
Also you can wear elastic /neoprene supports on the hand, wrist, elbow or knee when out working or riding the bike. This not only helps the arthritis, but keeps the tendonitis under control. That's the other thing that I've developed over the years and can cause extreme pain in the elbow, wrist or hand. You may need to get x-rays to see which one you have, I'm lucky enough to get both.
So that's the long version of my first post here. Keep in mind that I'm not a medical practitioner, just 25 years of dealing with arthritis and trying different stuff. Your results may vary.
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Anecdotal evidence. My left thumb has become very painful from using the tool changer on the cnc mill for 30 years, and playing stand up bass. Over the last 6 months, both hands have been aching pretty constantly. I've tried Aleve, and it helps, but am a little leery of using it considering I only have one kidney left. :shocked: :smiley:
An old friend recommended DSMO. and this thread reminded me. I've used it in the morning for two days now. After about an hour or so, I noticed much less pain. Today, I forgot about the pain. I don't think this is psychosomatic.. but of course it could be.
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I commented on this before, but there's so much mis-information out there, well I never could leave well enough alone...
From what I've read, there's basically two types of arthritis, rheumatoid and osteo-arthritis. Neither has a cure, short of joint replacement.
Rheumatoid arthritis is an auto-immune disease; the body is for some reason attacking the joint lining. It can be treated with corticosteroids to suppress the body's immune system, and anti-inflammatories, to reduce swelling and pain. They both have side effects.
Osteo-arthritis, to put it simply, is joint degeneration due to aging, injury, or over use of the joint. It's apparently genetic, as some have thicker cartilage on the joint surface than others. Once the cartilage has worn away (bone on bone) joint replacement currently is the only proven option. It can be treated temporarily with anti-inflammatories (NSAIDS) like Aleve (Naproxen), Ibuprofen, Acetaminophen, or aspirin.
Not sure why the pharmacist was down on aspirin. I've taken it for years with no side effects. Like any NSAID, it's important to take it after meals, so it's absorbed on a full stomach. I was on naproxen for a year for hip pain and it elevated my blood pressure by twenty points. The Dr was dismissive of my claim on this, but when I quit taking it, the BP went back to normal. So there's that.
Here's a partial list of the things I've tried that DID NOT help:
Fish oil
Glucosamine/Chondroitin
MSM
Hyaluronic acid
Mega vitamins: A, B complex, C, D, E
Mega minerals: Cal. Mag. Zinc
Physical therapy
Various joint strengthening exercises
I've also talked to several people who've had the cartilage replacement injections and they all wound up getting the joints replaced.
So what's the answer? Well for me it's been the several joint replacements (knees, hips), light exercise, stretching, and aspirin. Lately I've tried Ibuprofen and Acetaminophen in combination, taking half dosage of each. This minimizes the side effects and supposedly promotes synergistic treatment effects. Haven't taken it long enough to be sure, but it looks promising.
Also you can wear elastic /neoprene supports on the hand, wrist, elbow or knee when out working or riding the bike. This not only helps the arthritis, but keeps the tendonitis under control. That's the other thing that I've developed over the years and can cause extreme pain in the elbow, wrist or hand. You may need to get x-rays to see which one you have, I'm lucky enough to get both.
So that's the long version of my first post here. Keep in mind that I'm not a medical practitioner, just 25 years of dealing with arthritis and trying different stuff. Your results may vary.
Frozen,
Of all the things you mentioned, MSM was most recommended by others. I admit, it does have a "snake oil" un-researched history.
So it didn't do anything for you?
Joe
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Frozen,
Of all the things you mentioned, MSM was most recommended by others. I admit, it does have a "snake oil" un-researched history.
So it didn't do anything for you?
Joe
Well of all the the things I've tried, the DMSO was the most promising, but in the end, not so much. I was totally freaked out about getting arthritis when it first happened, I wanted to think there was some miracle cure that I could take and it'd go away. Well it didn't happen. Maybe it was lifestyle, genetics, I don't know, but none of that stuff worked for me. The thing of it is, if there was a miracle cure for it, don't you think somebody would be making a million bucks off it by now? I'm sorry but my experience is that arthritis is a bum deal, there's no cure, and you have to deal with it as best as you can. My brother has no problems and I have it bad. That's life!
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At the ripe old age of 49 I man in the same boat as the OP. A light clutch is paramount.
Glad to hear the V85TT has a lightweight one.
Have deliveries started yet? My nearest dealer is 300 miles away but I wouldn’t mind one of these in the garage.
I know on paper it has a lot more oomph than my V7 III. How about in the real world?
NC
Try the v85TT. One of the reasons I bought it, is the extremely light clutch (not even hydraulic).
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I have arthritis in both hands. I’ve broken each multiple times. I also have carpal tunnel in my right hand. Really good gloves, with pre-curved fingers are key. I usually stick with Held but ymmv. I also always mount the largest grips that will fit. Grip Puppies really help once you get used to them. So far, I can manage it with gloves and a couple aspirin before a ride but cruise control is a HUGE help as unlike the OP, my right hand is worse than my left.
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I have arthritis in both hands. I’ve broken each multiple times. I also have carpal tunnel in my right hand. Really good gloves, with pre-curved fingers are key. I usually stick with Held but ymmv. I also always mount the largest grips that will fit. Grip Puppies really help once you get used to them. So far, I can manage it with gloves and a couple aspirin before a ride but cruise control is a HUGE help as unlike the OP, my right hand is worse than my left.
John,
I irony is that the clutch is okay, but just wearing the gloves is tiring, slightly painful, and fatiguing. The gloves aren't that tight, but it's just enough to be a bother.
Also, my pharmacist said Aleve or Ibuprofen would work better than the aspirin.
Joe
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Well of all the the things I've tried, the DMSO was the most promising, but in the end, not so much. I was totally freaked out about getting arthritis when it first happened, I wanted to think there was some miracle cure that I could take and it'd go away. Well it didn't happen. Maybe it was lifestyle, genetics, I don't know, but none of that stuff worked for me. The thing of it is, if there was a miracle cure for it, don't you think somebody would be making a million bucks off it by now? I'm sorry but my experience is that arthritis is a bum deal, there's no cure, and you have to deal with it as best as you can. My brother has no problems and I have it bad. That's life!
Goose,
Your message is probably the most honest and forthright one out there.
Maybe I'm just a pessimist.
Thanks for your insight,
Joe
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Thanks for the honest, rational, make-me-want-to-kill-myself-tonight post.
Sorry for the shitty mood post so ban me if needed. But I could barely play guitar today and both my f***ing feet are burning from just walking around on what amounts to nothing more than a normal day of exertion. Doc said I have the worst early onset (I'm 49) arthritis he has seen; hands and feet. Sorry but I won't live like this more than a year or two more if I keep getting worse like I have the past two years. When I can no longer wipe my ass or shave I'll take my buddy Gaston Glock out to the river and take one to the head. If my hands are so bad I only seriously wound myself at least I'll drown in the river. Some say killing yourself is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. That is a bullshit answer for the fat chick who is going to kill herself because she can't lose weight. When you lose the ability to do what you want to do in life, let alone take care of yourself, you find yourself like those unfortunate souls who take their own life. You don't want to die, you want to live. But ending your life is seen as a slight improvement over living in constant pain for the next 30 years until something terminal takes your life. God I genuinely wish I had cancer so as least I know I would die without having to kill myself. And Jesus Christ can kiss my f***ing ass if he is real. He has given me WAY too many problems from the day I was born for me to have anything to do with him.
Like I said, ban me if I deserve it.
NC
Edit: I have already toned this down more than once.
Well of all the the things I've tried, the DMSO was the most promising, but in the end, not so much. I was totally freaked out about getting arthritis when it first happened, I wanted to think there was some miracle cure that I could take and it'd go away. Well it didn't happen. Maybe it was lifestyle, genetics, I don't know, but none of that stuff worked for me. The thing of it is, if there was a miracle cure for it, don't you think somebody would be making a million bucks off it by now? I'm sorry but my experience is that arthritis is a bum deal, there's no cure, and you have to deal with it as best as you can. My brother has no problems and I have it bad. That's life!
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Thanks for the honest, rational, make-me-want-to-kill-myself-tonight post.
Sorry for the shitty mood post so ban me if needed. But I could barely play guitar today and both my f***ing feet are burning from just walking around on what amounts to nothing more than a normal day of exertion. Doc said I have the worst early onset (I'm 49) arthritis he has seen; hands and feet. Sorry but I won't live like this more than a year or two more if I keep getting worse like I have the past two years. When I can no longer wipe my ass or shave I'll take my buddy Gaston Glock out to the river and take one to the head. If my hands are so bad I only seriously wound myself at least I'll drown in the river. Some say killing yourself is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. That is a bullshit answer for the fat chick who is going to kill herself because she can't lose weight. When you lose the ability to do what you want to do in life, let alone take care of yourself, you find yourself like those unfortunate souls who take their own life. You don't want to die, you want to live. But ending your life is seen as a slight improvement over living in constant pain for the next 30 years until something terminal takes your life. God I genuinely wish I had cancer so as least I know I would die without having to kill myself. And Jesus Christ can kiss my f***ing ass if he is real. He has given me WAY too many problems from the day I was born for me to have anything to do with him.
Like I said, ban me if I deserve it.
NC
Edit: I have already toned this down more than once.
Well I certainly don't want to be responsible for your demise. I wasn't trying to be a Debbie (Donnie?) downer, just wanted to make the point that there's no miracle cure that's gonna make it all go away. But I've had arthritis since my mid forties and I've made it past seventy, at least so far, so that's something I guess.
Specifically dealing with the hand problem, I've found that light exercise, squeezing a soft sponge ball or stretching a rubber band with the fingers will promote blood flow, then soaking in ice water to prevent swelling, which is the cause of most the pain, has helped me. Also wearing those neoprene gloves i mentioned helped. I found a thin, fingerless pair on eBay that really helps when they're acting up. I could barely type a few years ago and now I haven't had to wear them so often.
As to the feet, try loose shoes or boots with cushion insoles and/or soft rubber soles. I quit wearing some of my old work boots cause they were tight or had hard vibram soles that irritated my arthritic big toes. Also icing after being on your feet helps.
I've mentioned that aspirin helps sometimes, other times I've tried the combination of Ibuprofen and Acetaminophen taken together. Naproxen helped my hips, but did nothing for my knees, so you need to try a lot of different stuff to find what works for you.
Anyway, I've lived with it for 25 years now and I'm still here, complaining a little, but going on with my usual life, just taken it one day at time. The good ones make it worthwhile to get through the bad.
Good luck!
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Numbercruncher,
I feel for you. Having an incurable disease that they say will gradually get worse, ... that's a real punch.
There's Dr's that specialize in arthritis. Maybe seeing someone different will give a diff perspective.
As in cycle repair and having someone else look at your engine problem; they can see a fix that eluded you.
with sympathy,
Joe
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I am blessed not to have this terrible disease and admit I know little about it. However I have an Aunt that had a terrible bout with it in her hands for many years. Her hands had huge knots and the fingers were twisted and deformed. I can distinctly remember her saying that she took “gold shots” to relieve the pain. I have no idea what these shots were or weather she was referring to cost or if there was actually gold in the medicine??
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I have been dealing with it for about 6 years know. It started fast, swollen feet and hands, lots of pain. I tried all sorts of supplements. Nothing helped very much. Then I changed my diet completely. Got rid of ALL SUGARS! Stopped eating tons of carbohydrates. Started eating mostly vegetables, meats, nuts, oils. Keato diet mostly.
After a few weeks things started getting better. Six years down the road my symptoms are greatly reduced. Irritating but tolerable. I can't imagine where I would be now if I hadn't changed my diet. Probably on a ton of prescription drugs with $$$ doctor bills to boot.
Doctors never talk about food but EVERYTHING YOU PUT IN YOUR PIE HOLE HAS AN EFFECT ON YOUR HEALTH!
On an arthritic clutch hand related topic I have been experimenting with "floating the gears" on my 01 EV. (shifting without the clutch) It is doable but you have to feather the throttle just right and if you mess up too bad you will be rebuilding the gear box. Maybe cheaper in the long run to just buy a Convert.
Steve
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An old friend recommended DSMO. and this thread reminded me. I've used it in the morning for two days now. After about an hour or so, I noticed much less pain. Today, I forgot about the pain. I don't think this is psychosomatic.. but of course it could be.
I have been trying Biofreeze and it seems to work too. And the ingredients seem to be safe. https://www.riteaid.com/shop/biofreeze-pain-relieving-roll-on-green-2-5-oz-0367107?ra_group=gPLA30pct16&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIw-v7kKnu4gIVkIrICh1y7gc_EAQYBCABEgJoRPD_BwE
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Thanks Goose,
I can't take hemp oil (get drug tested at work) but a support glove is cheap enough. Thanks for the idea.
Joe
Can you use this cream?
https://www.hempworx.com/hemp-worx-products
I tried a sample recently and noticed a relief in my hand pain.
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I have been trying Biofreeze and it seems to work too. And the ingredients seem to be safe. https://www.riteaid.com/shop/biofreeze-pain-relieving-roll-on-green-2-5-oz-0367107?ra_group=gPLA30pct16&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIw-v7kKnu4gIVkIrICh1y7gc_EAQYBCABEgJoRPD_BwE
Severe arthritis in spine, hips, hands and wrists. DX via x-ray. Not to much to add other than this:
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Seems to be a combination of CBD and BioFreeze. Not a miracle but helps.