New owner of Breva 750, questions

[inditx]

I have been considering the Griso father.
How wide is she, comparatively speaking to either Breva and is riding 2 up comfy?

Thanks,
inditx

[tpeever]

Thanks Kevm

I think I get it with the handling and light weight but riding 2 up has me more worried than the oomph factor….

inditx

These small blocks produce less than 50 hp so you have to compare apples to apples as they say!

[inditx]

understood, thanks tpeever
i just read about some doing 2 up without problems and maybe they were just extremely light?….  ???

[tpeever]

understood, thanks tpeever
i just read about some doing 2 up without problems and maybe they were just extremely light?….  ???

All depends on your perspective. What does "doing 2 up without problems" mean? Of course a Guzzi smallblock will carry two people with ease. Maybe not very fast or very comfortably, but you wouldn't expect it to would you? My wife and I did a relatively short ride of about 200 miles two-up on her Nevada last summer. Riding position was pretty cramped for me (I was driving) but we got on just fine. I knew I wasn't going to be trying any double yellow line passes like I might have if we were riding my 1200 Sport but the Nevada pulled the two of us along without any fuss. I read a story a few years ago about a couple from the UK who toured all over North America on an early 60's Norton Dominator 88 just like I have. This is a 500cc twin with single carburetor and very modest compression ratio that generates about 30 hp. They got on just fine. I am guessing that they probably avoided freeways as much as possible but they made the journey without any problem. We need to keep perspective and remember that a 500cc motorcycle was a big bike back in the day. So it all depends on where you want to go, how fast you want to get there, how the two of you fit on the machine, seat comfort etc.

[inditx]

Agreed

That's why a fella' needs more than one bike in his stable.  ::)

Thanks

[Kev m]

Thanks Kevm

I think I get it with the handling and light weight but riding 2 up has me more worried than the oomph factor….

inditx

I'm a good 225-230#.... My small block is a solo bike for a guy my size.

My wife is half that size and I'm sure she could take one of our kids 2-up on it no worries.

But I wouldn't go far 2-up with me and anyone else.

I did try taking my teenager to school once, but I felt like I was pushing the suspension and maybe even the powertrain a little bit.

[inditx]

Yeah that sounds spot on, thanks.

Keepin' my eyes open. :~)

[sign216]

All depends on your perspective. What does "doing 2 up without problems" mean? Of course a Guzzi smallblock will carry two people with ease. Maybe not very fast or very comfortably, but you wouldn't expect it to would you? My wife and I did a relatively short ride of about 200 miles two-up on her Nevada last summer. Riding position was pretty cramped for me (I was driving) but we got on just fine. I knew I wasn't going to be trying any double yellow line passes like I might have if we were riding my 1200 Sport but the Nevada pulled the two of us along without any fuss. I read a story a few years ago about a couple from the UK who toured all over North America on an early 60's Norton Dominator 88 just like I have. This is a 500cc twin with single carburetor and very modest compression ratio that generates about 30 hp. They got on just fine. I am guessing that they probably avoided freeways as much as possible but they made the journey without any problem. We need to keep perspective and remember that a 500cc motorcycle was a big bike back in the day. So it all depends on where you want to go, how fast you want to get there, how the two of you fit on the machine, seat comfort etc.

Yea, a 500cc used to be a big bike.  Pirsig (Zen and...) went cross country on a Honda 305cc.  Two up. 

His companions were two up on a BMW 600cc.

It's not about the power you need.  It's about the power you think you need.

[Kev m]

Yea, a 500cc used to be a big bike.  Pirsig (Zen and...) went cross country on a Honda 305cc.  Two up. 

His companions were two up on a BMW 600cc.

It's not about the power you need.  It's about the power you think you need.

And that's fine, maybe he and his son were small guys.

I think if you put you and your wrenching companion on your V7 vs my wife and I on my V7 there's a difference of about one full person.

i.e. Jenn and I, because of ME, is probably = to YOU, your assistant, AND JENN. And I don't think you'd find that particularly comfortable, especially on extended rides on the highway (logistics of the third seat or who sat on whose lap aside  :BEER:).

So it may be about how much power and comfort that you WANT vs. what someone else WANTS...and how well the smallblock fits that will vary with NEED.

[inditx]

It gets pretty subjective with how much power one wants in a motorcycle at least with me.  :P

Not sure I view it as need. lol

Thanks for the comments gents.

inditx

[sign216]

Right now I'm working on a 106cc Gilera.  In Italy it was made in 98cc, but for the USA they upgrade the displacement to 106. 

Feel the power!


Kev and Inditx, it is subjective.  And I seldom ride two up, so 750 is fine.  I can understand where someone wants more with the extra gear and weight of another person.  I merely object to people saying "you must have" this or that.

[Kev m]

Right now I'm working on a 106cc Gilera.  In Italy it was made in 98cc, but for the USA they upgrade the displacement to 106.  

Feel the power!


Kev and Inditx, it is subjective.  And I seldom ride two up, so 750 is fine.  I can understand where someone wants more with the extra gear and weight of another person.  I merely object to people saying "you must have" this or that.

I don't think ANYONE here said anyone "must have".

And yes, it's LARGELY subjective, but let's be honest, there's a huge difference between 100# of rider and passenger and 300#+ of rider and passenger.

The former is an additional 25% of the bike's weight, the later is an additional 75%.

The 1TB V7 without a rider has a hp/weight ratio of 11.07 lbs/hp, but with ME as a rider you're talking more like 16.7 lbs/hp. with ME plus a 140# passenger that becomes 20.2 lbs/hp

My Breva 1100  had a ratio of 7.49 without rider, or 10.49 with ME, or 12.36 w/ ME and a 140# passenger.

To put those #'s in perspective:

V7 without a rider is approximately = to a WRX STI (11.37), but with ME as a rider slows to about a Nissan Juke (17.07), but with ME plus a 140# rider that becomes worse than a Jeep Patriot (V6, at 19.45).

In contrast

B11 without a rider is approximately = to a late-model V8 Boss Mustang (8.2), and with ME as a rider only slows to something between a Dodge Charger SRT8 (9.3) and a BMW M 235i (10.95), and even with ME and a 140# passenger is still as quick as the current WRX (12.38).

Or stated another way, the Breva 1100 (and presumably most big blocks) are JUST as fast with about 365# of rider, passenger, and gear as a V7 smallblock would be via REMOTE CONTROL.

That's an objective analysis of some very real differences.

Knowing that, whether one WANTS one or the other is a completely subjective thing that well, you already know my answer.... I sold the B11 to buy the V7.

[inditx]

Cool, was that the same as the Sears 106 made by Gilera?

As I have said before I don't care what a person rides as long as it's on 2 wheels it's ok by me.  ;-T

[inditx]

Absolutely, a great way to state it Kev m.

Now let's not even get started on torque.  :o

inditx.
p.s. I had a Rocket III not because of need but pure desire to be able to pull stumps out of the ground. (which I never did)  ;)

[sign216]

Cool, was that the same as the Sears 106 made by Gilera?

Yep, it is.  Nice bike, but it has moped-style electrical system that I'm playing with now.

6 volt, AC (alternating current).

[inditx]

Yeah my brother rebuilt one and had "fun" with that too.  ???

I'm sure you'll get her running' in no time.

inditx

[sign216]

It's an issue with the ignition system. I'll post it separately, to see what people say.