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Title: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 03, 2017, 11:58:23 AM
There have been rumors for months, but now they announced it on their Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/MotoGuzzi/posts/?ref=page_internal
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 03, 2017, 12:07:15 PM
A single track through the desert.  A V9 engine based Scrambler or ADV bike?  No one wants to push a 600lb Stelvio through sand and they have the Stornello V7. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 03, 2017, 12:15:31 PM
Rumors were (even first than the Facebook post) that it will be a deeply modernized small-block crossover / ADV bike (AKA mini-Stelvio).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TalbotMatra on November 03, 2017, 02:11:25 PM
 :evil: :evil: :evil:
(http://www.guzzisti.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8389&d=1509562024)

Ciao
Lars
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on November 03, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
the above is pure fantasy the 2v motor is dead !!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 03, 2017, 03:37:04 PM
:evil: :evil: :evil:
(http://www.guzzisti.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8389&d=1509562024)

Ciao
Lars

There is a 100% chance that a Bezzi design won't be it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beetle on November 03, 2017, 04:46:25 PM
Concept bike. Code for "will never make it into production."

If I see another Oberdan Bezzi puerile fantasy, I may just vomit.

 :violent1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 03, 2017, 05:51:19 PM
the above is pure fantasy the 2v motor is dead !!
Maybe Guzzi could take a lesson from (gasp!) BMW, who resurrected their last purely air/oil cooled engine and used it to power their R9T bikes.  Seems to be working for them.  The Guzzi 2v is a sweet engine, aside from the fact it is often called a 'lump.' 

Agreed, the 8vSE engine on my Griso was a sweetheart, but the reason I bought the Griso was the fact that Guzzi did such a nice job on their 2v 1151 engine that powered my 1200 Sport.  And for some reason, I still prefer the power delivery of the 1151 2v engine.  Might be because my 74 year old reflexes can keep up with the 2v, whereas the 8vSE was quicker than I was.

Bob
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 03, 2017, 05:53:00 PM
I hope it isn't a V7 with throwback 1000s paint scheme.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 03, 2017, 05:55:48 PM
I hope it isn't a V7 with throwback 1000s paint scheme.
Please, no more V7/V9 introductions.  Seems there's enough of them in the pipeline already.  C'mon Guzzi, lets do something with the big block other than another cruiser.  There's enough of them, too.

Bob
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 03, 2017, 06:02:39 PM


Maybe Guzzi could take a lesson from (gasp!) BMW, who resurrected their last purely air/oil cooled engine and used it to power their R9T bikes.  Seems to be working for them.  The Guzzi 2v is a sweet engine, aside from the fact it is often called a 'lump.' 


When I wasn't paying attention Ducati did it too with the Monster 797.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on November 03, 2017, 06:37:43 PM
A retro 850 LeMans on the based on the V9 would be my vote.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 03, 2017, 07:13:47 PM
I think elsewhere it was mentioned the Stelvio with the new water cooled motor which TBH is more likely, bit disappointing its only a concept bike Guzzi take what 1-2 years before these have any chance of actually making production.

BMW have done well with their oil head in the R90T so Guzzi should make no plans for the future really? Whats not to say BMW and simply clearing out the old stock of oil heads while they are still tooled up for it and then as soon as Euro 4 drops the production line will will be immediately shut. Sure works for BMW they have a number of alternatives, Guzzi have zero and I doubt the capacity to keep two motor production lines open let alone one for a specific model.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 03, 2017, 07:41:39 PM
I hope Guzzi is not still chasing BMW!   They have done it for decades and it has almost never been successful.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 03, 2017, 08:39:04 PM



BMW have done well with their oil head in the R90T so Guzzi should make no plans for the future really? Whats not to say BMW and simply clearing out the old stock of oil heads while they are still tooled up for it and then as soon as Euro 4 drops the production line will will be immediately shut. Sure works for BMW they have a number of alternatives, Guzzi have zero and I doubt the capacity to keep two motor production lines open let alone one for a specific model.

What does it matter if that's what BMW did or if doing?

And why would it prevent Guzzi from continuing to produce/pursue bikes that don't make EU4?

I'm not saying Guzzi doesn't need a solution for that, but it doesn't mean they need to ignore the rest of the world which doesn't seem to be heading that way yet.

I wonder what the market is for everything OUTSIDE the EU?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 03, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
I hope Guzzi is not still chasing BMW!   They have done it for decades and it has almost never been successful.
I believe it could have been successful.  At the time Guzzi offered the CARC bikes, (B11, 1200S, Norge, Stelvio,) they were building bikes that were competitive with BMW offerings.  I'm a long-time BMW rider. and always thought that Guzzi could have ridden on the coattails of BMW by offering similar products at lesser price.  Not even the price issue  ....  the Guzzi equivalent to the R1150RT was a wonderful bike (Norge) and the 1200S was competitive with the R1200RS.  Electronically, maybe not.  But Guzzi had the basic bikes to compete .......  just no good dealer network, and advertising that inspired no one in the USA to buy, other than those of us who already bought into the Guzzi mystique. 

It would have been depressing to be a Moto Guzzi engineer who designed the CARC bikes to witness the weak promotion these bikes received.  Piaggio ..... take a hike!  You have wonderful bikes and don't know what to do with them.

Bob
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 03, 2017, 08:53:30 PM
I believe it could have been successful.  At the time Guzzi offered the CARC bikes, (B11, 1200S, Norge, Stelvio,) they were building bikes that were competitive with BMW offerings.  I'm a long-time BMW rider. and always thought that Guzzi could have ridden on the coattails of BMW by offering similar products at lesser price.  Not even the price issue  ....  the Guzzi equivalent to the R1150RT was a wonderful bike (Norge) and the 1200S was competitive with the R1200RS.  Electronically, maybe not.  But Guzzi had the basic bikes to compete .......  just no good dealer network, and advertising that inspired no one in the USA to buy, other than those of us who already bought into the Guzzi mystique. 

It would have been depressing to be a Moto Guzzi engineer who designed the CARC bikes to witness the weak promotion these bikes received.  Piaggio ..... take a hike!  You have wonderful bikes and don't know what to do with them.

Bob
But in the years that Guzzi built the (and I believe they were fantastic) CARC bikes, BMW leaped further ahead with hp, weight, and, farkles (electronic adjustable suspensions, TPMS, adjustable seats, grips, windshields, etc.).

So they were still handily outpacing Guzzi at BMW's own game. The only thing Guzzi had/has going for it was/is the visceral feel. I don't mean to play that down but the rest is not insignificant.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Steph on November 03, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
Only a couple of days waiting to EICMA, followed by 5 years wait, and then 2 years to figure out the recall won’t happen.
Enjoy the past
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Attackpug on November 03, 2017, 09:17:57 PM
A leftover stelvio  now or wait.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 03, 2017, 10:34:23 PM
But in the years that Guzzi built the (and I believe they were fantastic) CARC bikes, BMW leaped further ahead with hp, weight, and, farkles (electronic adjustable suspensions, TPMS, adjustable seats, grips, windshields, etc.).

So they were still handily outpacing Guzzi at BMW's own game. The only thing Guzzi had/has going for it was/is the visceral feel. I don't mean to play that down but the rest is not insignificant.
Yeah ..... but Kev, half of that stuff is caca, and I think (with a decent dealer network) Guzzi could have appealed to the BMW community with bikes that offered all the stuff that we love, without all the high tech crap that offers so little to the overall riding experience.  If the only reason BMW purchasers buy the new bikes is because of the farkles, then I will say I am really disappointed in the BMW riding community.

I think they'd consider Guzzis if there was a reasonable dealer network.

And of course, one has to remember MOA  and RA clubs, both of which are the reason BMW still resonates with their owners ... there are two very active and large clubs that promote the brand.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 04, 2017, 05:03:34 AM
Yeah ..... but Kev, half of that stuff is caca, and I think (with a decent dealer network) Guzzi could have appealed to the BMW community with bikes that offered all the stuff that we love, without all the high tech crap that offers so little to the overall riding experience.  If the only reason BMW purchasers buy the new bikes is because of the farkles, then I will say I am really disappointed in the BMW riding community.

I think they'd consider Guzzis if there was a reasonable dealer network.

And of course, one has to remember MOA  and RA clubs, both of which are the reason BMW still resonates with their owners ... there are two very active and large clubs that promote the brand.
There are two big ifs there:

1. Dealer network.

And

2. Farkles

On #2, YOU and the type of person who generally gets Guzzi might not care, but I get the impression and not insignificant portion of BMWs customers are swayed by them. Otherwise BMW is wasting millions in R&D and components each year.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Xlratr on November 04, 2017, 05:10:35 AM
On the "Clan" Website they're talking about showing something

   "....totally new, a world first, that will knock the socks off all Eagle of Mandello fans out there".


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 04, 2017, 07:26:38 AM
But in the years that Guzzi built the (and I believe they were fantastic) CARC bikes, BMW leaped further ahead with hp, weight, and, farkles (electronic adjustable suspensions, TPMS, adjustable seats, grips, windshields, etc.).

So they were still handily outpacing Guzzi at BMW's own game. The only thing Guzzi had/has going for it was/is the visceral feel. I don't mean to play that down but the rest is not insignificant.

If MG matched BMW in this game, their bikes would cost significantly more money in a contest that Moto Guzzi can only lose because the snob factor draws some people to a BMW. A Stelvio NTX costs $15K compared to a GS with bags that comes in at $24K, and a person who is doing a comparison and can afford the BMW will likely buy the BMW.  Does anyone think a $22-23K Stelvio with matched components and horsepower to the GS is going to compete with BMW at that price? Nope.

They would have to come up with a bike that outshines the GS for a lot less money,great reviews, large media coverage and significantly larger dealer network. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phang on November 04, 2017, 08:23:32 AM
On the "Clan" Website they're talking about showing something

   "....totally new, a world first, that will knock the socks off all Eagle of Mandello fans out there".


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I will put on my socks on Tuesday and see what will happen
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 04, 2017, 08:35:57 AM
Quote from: Perazzimx14 link=topic=93144.mfsg1471077#msg1471077 date=1509749580
I hope it isn't a V7 with throwback 1000s paint scheme.

They already did that, and have moved beyond it with the V7 III Special.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on November 04, 2017, 09:31:05 AM
I will put on my socks on Tuesday and see what will happen

  :laugh:

 Seems the "clan" is prone to spouting nonsense .

 Dusty
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phang on November 04, 2017, 09:55:12 AM
  :laugh:

 Seems the "clan" is prone to spouting nonsense .

 Dusty

'totally new, a world first' is a bold statement Dusty, unless they are showing us a Guzzi with hybrid engine
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on November 04, 2017, 09:57:46 AM
To attract younger riders it will be a horizontal single, chain drive w/large output alt and big batt to operate all kinds of  gizmo's and most of all social networks. It comes w/a Piaggio land drone that follows it around, just in case you need more crap.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 04, 2017, 10:03:16 AM
To attract younger riders it will be a horizontal single, chain drive w/large output alt and big batt to operate all kinds of  gizmo's and most of all social networks. It comes w/a Piaggio land drone that follows it around, just in case you need more crap.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 04, 2017, 10:39:34 AM
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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Xlratr on November 04, 2017, 10:58:45 AM
Guys, what's with all this negative energy???  [emoji16]

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Waltr on November 04, 2017, 10:59:10 AM
I hope Guzzi is not still chasing BMW!   They have done it for decades and it has almost never been successful.

It is by a far site better than chasing Harley!  (at least on this side of the pond)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on November 04, 2017, 11:07:40 AM

What does it matter if that's what BMW did or if doing?

And why would it prevent Guzzi from continuing to produce/pursue bikes that don't make EU4?

I'm not saying Guzzi doesn't need a solution for that, but it doesn't mean they need to ignore the rest of the world which doesn't seem to be heading that way yet.

I wonder what the market is for everything OUTSIDE the EU?

It matters because BMW is successful and perhaps their business model could contribute to a stronger Moto Guzzi. They gotta do something or they will fail again. I'm not sure anybody would step up to bail them out now. Times have changed, todays buyers want ease of ownership, customer support and a good dose of modern technology.

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on November 04, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Quote
A retro 850 LeMans on the based on the V9 would be my vote.

IMO, to wear the Le Mans Badge, the bike would need to be at least as powerful as the Griso 8V.  I'd think anything with that moniker would have to perform better than any of it's predecessors. My 2 cents.

My hope would be a big block with liquid cooled heads ala Millepercento BB1, or something along those lines.

(http://thekneeslider.com/images/2009/11/millepercento-engine.jpg)
 
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/moto-guzzi-stelvio.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: AH Fan on November 04, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
If MG matched BMW in this game, their bikes would cost significantly more money in a contest that Moto Guzzi can only lose because the snob factor draws some people to a BMW. A Stelvio NTX costs $15K compared to a GS with bags that comes in at $24K, and a person who is doing a comparison and can afford the BMW will likely buy the BMW.  Does anyone think a $22-23K Stelvio with matched components and horsepower to the GS is going to compete with BMW at that price? Nope.

They would have to come up with a bike that outshines the GS for a lot less money,great reviews, large media coverage and significantly larger dealer network.




Well I have owned and ridden both brands............. For those on here that have also I personally didn't see the value in all that expensive hi maint stuff.......... I'm with the Goose.   :thumb:

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 04, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
To attract younger riders it will be a horizontal single, chain drive w/large output alt and big batt to operate all kinds of  gizmo's and most of all social networks. It comes w/a Piaggio land drone that follows it around, just in case you need more crap.
This initially caused a chuckle, then a delayed laugh as I pictured the Piaggio drone chasing around after the motorcycle.  Thanks, Steve!   :boozing:

Bob
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Old Jock on November 04, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
IMO, to wear the Le Mans Badge, the bike would need to be at least as powerful as the Griso 8V.  I'd think anything with that moniker would have to perform better than any of it's predecessors. My 2 cents.

My hope would be a big block with liquid cooled heads ala Millepercento BB1, or something along those lines.

(http://thekneeslider.com/images/2009/11/millepercento-engine.jpg)
 
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/moto-guzzi-stelvio.jpg)

I like that but is it not a little close to the shiver? (but better)

These days I struggle to see much I like, even my 1098 which is so so capable, leaves me cold styling wise & wondering why I bought it.

Sorry wandered a bit Off Topic

John
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Calijackalbob on November 04, 2017, 12:50:17 PM


(http://thekneeslider.com/images/2009/11/millepercento-engine.jpg)
 
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/moto-guzzi-stelvio.jpg)
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This looks great! (Not my cup of tea, but would appeal to the young crowd, KTM buyers and the like.)

I think Guzzi Needs to produce more models. In reality, one V7 is like any other,.... different colour schemes or slightly different bodywork don't make a V7 anything other than a V7, likewise for the 1400s and the V9s. They're the basically same bikes in different bodywork. I'm not a Stelvio type of guy, but it makes sense to have a tourer in the stable. The Griso will be sorely missed and I'll put in my 2 cents,............ a full fairing sports bike and a half faired rocket would satisfy all the sportsbike nuts, the Le Mans lovers. (Me too!) But at the end of the day, I think Guzzi is being smart with the 1400s and V7s Great touring cruisers and entry level bikes. Aren't they getting good sales in the US? Aren't Guzzi selling more bikes now than they have for years? Won't that have a knock on effect of the company producing more exotic and gorgeous Guzzis in future?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on November 04, 2017, 01:09:08 PM
I wasn't clear. The platform doesn't matter, I was focusing on the engine. I included the second pic was to show radiator placement.




Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Calijackalbob on November 04, 2017, 01:15:30 PM
................... ... and, personally, I am quite happy that every other bike I see is NOT a Guzzi.
Part of the love of Guzzi ownership is that Guzzis are not as common as muck, like hondas and Harleys. All Guzzis are special BECAUSE they are not commonplace. I get people asking about my Jackal and my Bellagio, people taking photos of them because they are rare. Because they are not common. Because all Guzzis are special. Guzzis are made for Individuals, not fodder for the masses.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/nJq80w/20161021_160057.jpg) (http://ibb.co/nJq80w)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/bxHo0w/P_20170217_165800.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bxHo0w)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 04, 2017, 01:32:08 PM
...................... and, personally, I am quite happy that every other bike I see is NOT a Guzzi.
Part of the love of Guzzi ownership is that Guzzis are not as common as muck, like hondas and Harleys. All Guzzis are special BECAUSE they are not commonplace. I get people asking about my Jackal and my Bellagio, people taking photos of them because they are rare. Because they are not common. Because all Guzzis are special. Guzzis are made for Individuals, not fodder for the masses.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/nJq80w/20161021_160057.jpg) (http://ibb.co/nJq80w)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/bxHo0w/P_20170217_165800.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bxHo0w)

That's the best looking Jackel I've seen ....... period! 

I think I'd have been a happy if they'd brought the 940 Bellagio into the USA, too, especially if modded as your is (I think.)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pikipiki on November 04, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
I expect something sort of a cross between a TT V65 and a kawasaki Versys with an 850 small block with water cooled heads a 19" front wheel. Fat 16" rear (it'll help you balance at a stand still), some questionable design of a fuel tank but at least the foot pegs will be in the right place.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: gsp0702 on November 04, 2017, 03:28:37 PM
What is evident from the Clan email/article is that yet more V7 versions can be expected, V7 111 Stornello I would guess plus whatever else the brand managers can come up with.

Surprises me that other than V9X Track no specials of that platform yet, unless thats whats on the cards to knock our socks of at the show,

I do wonder if something like the Shiver would sell better with a Guzzi badge and an appropriate name.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 04, 2017, 05:42:48 PM
The satisfying part for me is none of you jackasses has much to go on except your own dreams and delusions!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on November 04, 2017, 06:12:15 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Guzzi/i-PTWbQ4R/0/e542a46d/M/dont_believe_everything_you_think_rectangle-M.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Guzzi/i-PTWbQ4R/A)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 04, 2017, 08:18:55 PM
On the "Clan" Website they're talking about showing something

   "....totally new, a world first, that will knock the socks off all Eagle of Mandello fans out there".


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That sounds like the kind of phrasing from a marketing department who just wants to go home on a Friday afternoon after a really long lunch and goes fuggit and blindly rolls their face on the keyboard.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 04, 2017, 08:45:15 PM
It matters because BMW is successful and perhaps their business model could contribute to a stronger Moto Guzzi. They gotta do something or they will fail again. I'm not sure anybody would step up to bail them out now. Times have changed, todays buyers want ease of ownership, customer support and a good dose of modern technology.

Paul

Moto Guzzi spent about a decade copying BMW starting in 2005, initially with the 'Telelever Emulator' equipped Breva 1100, and then with all its BMW-style progeny, e.g. the Norge etc.  That plan failed because BMW is a well funded company that plays by its own rules and has developed a following for techno-German bikes that BMW can build better than Guzzi, because they invented them to utilize what they can do with bikes based on car technology.  In the 2005-on episode, Aprilia copied the R1150R with the 1100 Breva and then shortly after it was introduced BMW introduced the R1200R, a lighter more advanced design that put Guzzi out of the running one year after introducing its new product.  Copying BMW at its own game didn't work in 2005/2006 and it won't work again.

I think what they're doing fairly successfully now with the small blocks represents a lesson learned, because of the Guzzis that Aprilia and then Piaggio developed, the ones that arguably gathered the strongest following were the Griso and the new-version small blocks, neither owing anything to inspiration by BMW...  and in fact BMW is now making a bike which I think owes more than a little to the Griso (the R9T).  While some may gripe that the nuovo V7 and V9 have an archaic chassis and limited power, they are what Piaggio could do with the money now available for R&D, and they sell.  Building on their success with more sophisticated bikes that don't follow anybody will I think work better than anything else they could dream up - as long as they are also functional motorcycles.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 04, 2017, 09:02:03 PM
I stumbled across this image. A few months back.
Wishful thinking😱😱


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dw3WLw/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dw3WLw)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 04, 2017, 09:02:53 PM
I stumbled across this image. A few months back.
Wishful thinking😱😱


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dw3WLw/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dw3WLw)
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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 04, 2017, 09:10:48 PM
Ah yes! 1990's styling with a badly modified 1960's engine and forks that are stupidly expensive and don't work anywhere apart from a racetrack! Just the sort of genius thinking Guzzi needs right now........
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on November 04, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
Well, we will see in about 5 days.  I'm hoping all this hoopla is about something more than a 'styling prototype' or similar BS.  Let's see if the new shiny object is something we (I) can buy in the near future...like in '18.  Maybe a smaller/lighter Stelvio so I can trade my V7 in for what I really want.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on November 04, 2017, 10:16:45 PM
Fuuughettabout it .....
No new anything...
No new big block
No new Le Mans ( maybe just a V7 with Le Mans stickers on it)
No new Stelvio

Keep you old Guzzi and enjoy it .

 :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on November 04, 2017, 10:24:17 PM
I stumbled across this image. A few months back.
Wishful thinking😱😱


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dw3WLw/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dw3WLw)

(https://ei.marketwatch.com//Multimedia/2016/02/02/Photos/ZH/MW-EE570_barf_20160202094941_ZH.jpg?uuid=30ec828e-c9bc-11e5-8d3f-0015c588e0f6)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 04, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
It matters because BMW is successful and perhaps their business model could contribute to a stronger Moto Guzzi. They gotta do something or they will fail again. I'm not sure anybody would step up to bail them out now. Times have changed, todays buyers want ease of ownership, customer support and a good dose of modern technology.

Paul
Paul I think you might be misunderstanding my point about BMW.

I was responding to the theory the BMW was only producing an air-cooled motor to use up old parts supplies.

My point was it doesn't matter if BMW is actually doing that, there's other reasons why Guzzi could still produce an air-cooled motor or even bring one back.

Other than BMW one of my examples was the Ducati Monster 797, but now they're about to show an 1100cc air-cooled Scrambler. Another case.

I shudder to point to Harley too, but the M8 motor is millions or billions banked on the continued marketability of air-cooled motors.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pikipiki on November 05, 2017, 03:03:01 AM
Well, we will see in about 5 days.  I'm hoping all this hoopla is about something more than a 'styling prototype' or similar BS.  Let's see if the new shiny object is something we (I) can buy in the near future...like in '18.  Maybe a smaller/lighter Stelvio so I can trade my V7 in for what I really want.

Show starts Tuesday so maybe sooner than that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ChuckH on November 05, 2017, 04:08:13 AM

Well I have owned and ridden both brands............. For those on here that have also I personally didn't see the value in all that expensive hi maint stuff.......... I'm with the Goose. ....

I agree.  I also have experience with both brands.  For my riding needs, I want a bike that can dependably/reliably run 10-15K miles/year on touring and camping trips and not cost an arm and a leg in repair/maintenance expenses.  It can be like the Stelvio (my previous bike, great bike by the way) with the classic Guzzi visceral feeling (the little "jiggle in the bars") or dead smooth like my current Beemer.  Either way, I'd be happy.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pancake on November 05, 2017, 03:59:58 PM
I stumbled across this image. A few months back.
Wishful thinking😱😱


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dw3WLw/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dw3WLw)


I think this looks amazing. It's sporty retro cool.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Steph on November 05, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
I stumbled across this image. A few months back.
Wishful thinking😱😱


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dw3WLw/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dw3WLw)
.

It looks like it belongs in a Pixar movie
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 05, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
If you build it they will come!     


(http://thumb.ibb.co/emTi0w/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/emTi0w)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 05, 2017, 06:55:15 PM
Agreed about the Pixar bike.

And build that LeMansish bike, and they will sell all of 45 units here in NA.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 05, 2017, 07:01:57 PM
What's happening in the world today?  When has Guzzi ever been able to keep a bike totally under wraps this close to EICMA?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JeffOlson on November 05, 2017, 07:44:06 PM
Speaking of Facebook and Moto Guzzi:

“We are going to face new paths. Where is this adventure taking us? We’re waiting for you at #EICMA2017 November 9th – 12th

Alla conquista di nuovi sentieri. Dove ci porterà questa nuova avventura? Scoprilo ad #EICMA2017 dal 9 al 12 novembre.

#MotoGuzzi #Guzzisti.”
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on November 05, 2017, 08:18:27 PM
I am excited to see what they do and I’m sure I’ll like whatever it is.  But school me up on Guzzi “concept” bikes; how many have made it to the sales floor?  I recall the Terblanche concepts and they went nowhere, basically.  Guzzi is not Yamaha who can debut a concept and then have it appear in months on sales floors.  Or can they?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 05, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Morini will be showing this and I'm liking it, other than the exhaust.

(http://www.motociclismo.it/galleries/image/15723/285090)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on November 05, 2017, 10:56:15 PM
Morini's are sweet ! Too bad you won't be able to buy one over here. Here's one next to my Le Mans project.


(http://thumb.ibb.co/hcmEOG/100_0852.jpg) (http://ibb.co/hcmEOG)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 06, 2017, 12:04:30 AM
A LeMans 1400.  Spine frame.  Sport tourer with Ohlin suspension.  Bags are an option.  Windscreen adjustable on the fly.  The fairing will have 2 pockets ala Windjammer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 06, 2017, 12:25:20 AM
What's happening in the world today?  When has Guzzi ever been able to keep a bike totally under wraps this close to EICMA?

In the last couple of years when they've done beige with a HDesc we'll swap and tanks and seats open a new can of paint and call it a new model. Basically they haven't delivered anything special in the last couple of years and there is no reason to expect anything special.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 06, 2017, 01:08:29 AM
A retro 850 LeMans on the based on the V9 would be my vote.
SLAM !!!!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 06, 2017, 09:37:18 AM
Name will probably be "V85 Enduro".
Quite unimaginative, but clear.

DogW
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: gsp0702 on November 06, 2017, 01:27:45 PM
Found this via Twitter, and forgive the Google translate :-

The novelty starts with the engine - which will see a potential (1000-1200 cc) capacity - that will have nothing to do with current Big Bore or Small Block and will adopt a mixed cooling system with the head part cooled to liquid while lower air cylinders should remain cool for the cylinders

So looks as the majority suspected a new air/water cooled V-Twin a la BMW approach, which will be shown in a concept of which the article had no details.

(Original link :- https://www.gpone.com/it/2017/10/16/news-prodotto/moto-guzzi-ad-eicma-un-concept-rivoluzionario.html#.WeXKXlZHabo.facebook)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: not-fishing on November 06, 2017, 03:29:56 PM
Morini will be showing this and I'm liking it, other than the exhaust.


I thought this was the new Morini    an e-Morini

(http://motomorini.eu/wp-content/uploads/BEP8769ps-1140x642.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 06, 2017, 04:49:14 PM
As mentioned, Guzzi is clamming this new bike will be a "world first!" & and it will "knock the socks off of the Guzzista!"   Those are some mighty brash claims indeed, will they back them up???

What would Worlds first have to be???
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on November 06, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
Quote
EICMA 2017. Moto Guzzi to introduce the Nuevo Mulo Mecchanico 1200. The Mulo Mecchanicos motor will be the new basis for all moto guzzis to come for the next 50 years.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 06, 2017, 05:53:46 PM
 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 06, 2017, 07:03:57 PM
.... :evil:and essentially a trike. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 02:58:54 AM
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23319535_10210888628030928_6460248364874571144_n.jpg?oh=37c2e20c931fec1856fbb93a453705c5&oe=5A9AEF00)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 07, 2017, 03:07:33 AM
By the front tyre and the wide handlebars, the people who having been squealing for a small block stelvio its time to put up or shut up.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 07, 2017, 03:20:01 AM
Well that depends on whether its a new platform or just another dreary smallblock/1970's lash up.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phang on November 07, 2017, 03:24:05 AM
from the model name V85, at least we know it has a V engine.

It looks like it has got a tall windscreen and a beak like mudguard too
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 07, 2017, 03:32:06 AM
Well that depends on whether its a new platform or just another dreary smallblock/1970's lash up.

I'm thinking b is more likely.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 07, 2017, 04:14:04 AM
My socks are feeling pretty confident they aren't about to be knocked off.....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phang on November 07, 2017, 04:27:10 AM
My socks are feeling pretty confident they aren't about to be knocked off.....

mine still tight on the feet...

(http://i66.tinypic.com/11sdt7p.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 04:33:20 AM
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23471931_1977036022571064_2145119560320172918_n.jpg?oh=42c3609c0230625a5f13542cc57bc6d3&oe=5AAFF759)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23231176_1977036102571056_1668661054823872226_n.jpg?oh=81d20d5a84ba2442459d0f378dc11c99&oe=5A6F9462)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23244533_1977036689237664_6825726384061865986_n.jpg?oh=02f171f9631bf61601ecd8f90df68b8b&oe=5AAE5C1B)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Xlratr on November 07, 2017, 04:46:33 AM
http://motori.ilmessaggero.it/speciale_eicma/moto_guzzi_v85_concept_enduro_stile_classico_vintage_rappresenta_futuro_aquile-3349933.html

Google Translate:

"With her she is launching a 90 ° 90-inch V-twin-cylinder engine cooled by air that can deliver 80 hp power and so many torque at low speeds. It is a propulsion around which, according to Moto Guzzi, a new range of motorcycles will be built at Mandello del Lario. This aspect, therefore, implies that the V85 Concept will not be an end-to-end prototype, but the anticipation of a motorcycle that we will soon see on the road.

At this point it is probable to assume that around this 80-hp engine will be able to develop motorcycles of different segments, all of which are always associated with the style that distinguishes the Moto Guzzi."
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 05:28:42 AM
The inspiration for the colouring.
(http://www.parisdakar.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/GuzziTorri.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 07, 2017, 05:40:01 AM
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23471931_1977036022571064_2145119560320172918_n.jpg?oh=42c3609c0230625a5f13542cc57bc6d3&oe=5AAFF759)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23231176_1977036102571056_1668661054823872226_n.jpg?oh=81d20d5a84ba2442459d0f378dc11c99&oe=5A6F9462)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23244533_1977036689237664_6825726384061865986_n.jpg?oh=02f171f9631bf61601ecd8f90df68b8b&oe=5AAE5C1B)
Not my thing personally, but I like it nonetheless. I'm feeling cautiously optimistic!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on November 07, 2017, 06:06:11 AM
I like it!

That appears to be the baby Stelvio some have been clamoring about. Like someone else said, time to pony up. It'll be interesting to see the stats on this bike, weight, fuel capacity, etc.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on November 07, 2017, 06:10:14 AM

(http://thumb.ibb.co/fnpXdG/Guzzi_V85.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fnpXdG)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on November 07, 2017, 06:23:56 AM
Excited for the engine, definitely.  The bike.  Not so much.

Hope all you “cruiser” bashers are happy.  Nine out of ten respondents agree, you won’t be buying one though you’ve whined about it here for ages.  But anyhow.  Here it is.  An ugly Moto Guzzi.  Enjoy.  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 07, 2017, 06:28:05 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic. From another translation it looks like twin cylinder 5 valve. *If they get it right* that would be a killer base for a new LeMans.  :smiley: I'd open my wallet for one if I live long enough.  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 07, 2017, 06:33:21 AM
I like it, though the colors make it butt ugly. Dual disks, more HP and with bags it will probably look better.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phang on November 07, 2017, 06:34:31 AM
horizontally split crankcase, a small block variant...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pisano on November 07, 2017, 06:37:44 AM
Sooo.... No water cooling?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 07, 2017, 06:51:54 AM
Overall, I like it.  I'd buy one.  There are a couple things I really like and a couple things I hope they change in production.

Likes:
-You can never have too much lighting on an ADV bike.  Twin LED's are great.
-If the bash plate is aluminum, it's probably the best stock one I've seen on this type of bike.
-It's doesn't look overly heavy.  I'm guessing 475-is and that's very good for this class.  A V-Strom 1000 weighs 525 fueled.
-Huge fuel range with that tank.  I'll bet it would go 300 miles.
-Tubeless spoked wheels.
-The footpeg castings are beautiful.  Several of the details are extremely nice and look production ready.
-80hp is good for a Guzzi but if it has 70ft/lbs that would be even better.  60ft/lbs would be OK as long as it comes in at 475lbs.
-It looks easy to change a rear tire.   

Dislikes:
-I don't like the way the tank juts out on the sides.  That would make engine guards useless and you'd have to replace the tank the first time you dropped it.
-The rear subframe looks nice but it's like a flying buttress.  That will not support a passenger and luggage for a week without breaking.
-The rider cockpit looks great but the pillion is too slanted, too small and narrows right where your SO's ass would be.  It also has a nub at the transition between the rider cockpit and pillion that might as well have a vibrator in it because it's right where your SO's kooka is going to be if she rides with her arms around you.   
-Not crazy about the offset shock.  The swingarm doesn't look beefy enough for offroad abuse and the shock mounting position is going to create a twisting force that typical mounting doesn't. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Diploman on November 07, 2017, 06:55:56 AM
How can they possibly get 80 HP from that motor when the current air-cooled version delivers only 50+?  Without water cooling it doesn't seem feasible.  I wonder if there could be small radiators tucked into those cowls with air intakes on the sides of the fuel tank?

The cylinder heads appear to have built-in, replaceable crash bumpers bolted to the valve covers.  Detachable rear subframe.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 07:06:47 AM
The bike is a concept cause it still has a standard V9 engine.
The definitive model will have the new engine.

DogW
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 07, 2017, 07:59:04 AM
V85 Stelvio Concept at EICMA
https://www.gpone.com/it/2017/11/07/news-prodotto/eicma-2017-moto-guzzi-svela-la-v85-concept-lerede-della-stelvio-e-non-solo (https://www.gpone.com/it/2017/11/07/news-prodotto/eicma-2017-moto-guzzi-svela-la-v85-concept-lerede-della-stelvio-e-non-solo)

(https://www.gpone.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_big_breakpoints_theme_bootstrap_screen-lg-min_1x/public/images/2017/article/foto/11/News%20Prodotto/11-novembre/moto-guzzi-concept-v85-1.jpg?itok=iL0H6z3j&timestamp=1510054487)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on November 07, 2017, 08:01:15 AM
I'd buy it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 08:19:26 AM
Offiicial site.
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/
You can vote for the name of the bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 07, 2017, 08:25:46 AM
Offiicial site.
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/
You can vote for the name of the bike.

Maybe I'm losing something in all this but:

Quote
New steel-tube frame, which utilizes the anchorage of the engine to create a rigid structure that restores precision and rigor on the road, and even robustness and right feeling in off-road riding.

The engine is a two-cylinder 90° transverse air-cooled 850cc which, thanks to its complete redesign, has 80 HP of maximum power. A truly rewarding performance is assured on every route as well as guaranteeing to the V85 all the character and responsive acceleration Moto Guzzi is famed for.

Because whatever your adventure idea is, the new Moto Guzzi V85 will make it unforgettable.

Wait, so they ARE claiming this is or WILL be a 850cc Air-cooled twin putting out 80 hp???

What was with the earlier report of a 90" (1475cc) motor?

And the report of a supposed upcoming air/water cooled bike?

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 08:27:38 AM
And the report of a supposed upcoming air/water cooled bike?
1200cc, next year.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 07, 2017, 08:30:15 AM
1200cc, next year.

Same platform more or less or ???
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phang on November 07, 2017, 08:32:24 AM
Offiicial site.
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/
You can vote for the name of the bike.

Thanks for sharing  :thumb:

I submitted  -  Griffin

(http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/harrypotter/images/f/f8/Griffin.png)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 08:37:31 AM
Same platform more or less or ???
I don't know. They have been pretty good in mantaining the secret on the 850 until this EICMA.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 08:39:44 AM
Thanks for sharing  :thumb:

I submitted  -  Griffin

(http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/harrypotter/images/f/f8/Griffin.png)
Good choice.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Diploman on November 07, 2017, 08:53:40 AM
If they are serious about extracting 80 HP from an 850cc air-cooled engine, I think that would be pushing the envelope to the limits of engine design, especially in terms of metallurgy and heat dissipation technology.   With water-cooled heads, however, this would be easily within the realm of feasibility:  but with air-cooling, as they claim, I think this will be entering uncharted waters.   It will be interesting to see what this "complete redesign" entails.  Reportedly, Guzzi is planning to use this 80HP engine as the basis for a whole new line of up to 10 bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dilliw on November 07, 2017, 08:55:53 AM
Thanks for sharing  :thumb:

I submitted  -  Griffin

(http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/harrypotter/images/f/f8/Griffin.png)

I went with Steppe 

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Aquila_nipalensis_2010.JPG/220px-Aquila_nipalensis_2010.JPG)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Pootle on November 07, 2017, 08:56:10 AM
If the Morini is sold in the UK while I�m still able to ride, and provided it�s not too high or too heavy, i�ll have that. The V85 says nothing to me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 07, 2017, 08:56:45 AM
Oh look it doesn't have 1960's suspension it has 1980's instead! Yay my socks are still on the marketing department just rolled its face on the keyboard again didn't it? The styling I don't mind I was hoping for a new motor though and this seems to be simply what they should of done to the small block 10 years ago.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 07, 2017, 09:02:56 AM
Other than the modern brakes it appears to be something that would have competed with the pre-paralever R80GS in the mid-80s.  My guess is that it won't go into production as is, unless Piaggio thinks that by virtue of the small block engine etc it can be sold for a very attractive price.  Maybe it's a 'budget bike', otherwise I think it's not a serious effort.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Steph on November 07, 2017, 09:04:31 AM
If the Morini is sold in the UK while I�m still able to ride, and provided it�s not too high or too heavy, i�ll have that. The V85 says nothing to me.

 :1:

Re another V7 remake, I submitted “I am a banana’ for the  V85
(https://media.tenor.com/images/17fc1cbdbefdc43600220cbcaf052161/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 09:04:39 AM
If they are serious about extracting 80 HP from an 850cc air-cooled engine, I think that would be pushing the envelope to the limits of engine design, especially in terms of metallurgy and heat dissipation technology.   With water-cooled heads, however, this would be easily within the realm of feasibility:  but with air-cooling, as they claim, I think this will be entering uncharted waters.   It will be interesting to see what this "complete redesign" entails.  Reportedly, Guzzi is planning to use this 80HP engine as the basis for a whole new line of up to 10 bikes.
It's specific power will be slightly higher than that of the Ducati 800, that it's 2V air cooled, but too high revvying for a pushrods and rockers engine and way more oversquare than the Guzzi V9. With 4V is in the realms of feasibility, altough at the limit. With 4V and raised camshafts, is the same specific power of the 2008 Griso 8V.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on November 07, 2017, 09:05:27 AM
 Very cool. But then Guzzi has shown a lot of very cool concept bikes. They better not wait to long, who know's how long the adventure bike fad will last?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Archangel on November 07, 2017, 09:27:18 AM
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/
(http://thumb.ibb.co/bC1WOG/v85.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bC1WOG)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JeffOlson on November 07, 2017, 09:29:54 AM
The passenger will not be comfortable, at least not without a taller pillion seat. Those flying buttress bars are going to hit the passenger’s legs.

Oh, Stelvio, where have you gone?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 07, 2017, 09:39:53 AM
This could very well be my first ever brand new guzzi

been looking hard at the little tiger...  and next year is new bike time for me...  lets do this
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Steph on November 07, 2017, 09:39:55 AM
I am disappointed, promises of a new motor or concept at EICMA  and we got a pimped-up Stornello!
For many Moto Guzzi is badly in need of something between the small block and the 1400 series bikes.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phang on November 07, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
Euro 5 is just two years away, I am sure they already have something in the pipeline
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on November 07, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
Damn that looks good. If they bring it light and nimble I'd gladly park one in my garage between the GSA and the V 7III. :drool:
Those of you wanting more powa make me laugh.... it's not a Ducati, it's a Moto Guzzi!!!   :violent1:

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Triple Jim on November 07, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
If it's around 400 lbs, they'd have my attention, but I have a feeling it won't be.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: webmost on November 07, 2017, 10:08:14 AM
I like that!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 07, 2017, 10:09:19 AM
Time for a merge fest http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=93210.msg1472021#new (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=93210.msg1472021#new)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 07, 2017, 10:09:22 AM
No information on the motor and the only change seems to be to the shape of the rocker covers so if there is anything it looks like it's just bearing out what was already evident in the castings of the head and rocker supports. Central plug and a couple of extra valves per cylinder.....zzzzzz zzzzz........

Minor improvements to other stuff, totally inadequate rear suspension and no reactive drive. Sorry, socks still firmly attatched to feet.

It's also, as they say, a 'Concept' so chances are it's the only one ever 'Built'. I wouldn't be holding your breath waiting for one to pop up in a showroom near you. Oh well. It achieved its aim. It got people talking and made fantasists all moist.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on November 07, 2017, 10:12:30 AM
If it's around 400 lbs, they'd have my attention, but I have a feeling it won't be.

that's a bit unrealistic don't ya think?? Even the current V7 III's tip the scale well beyond that. I'm thinking 480-490lbs is more realistic.

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 07, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
80 HP smallblock!
Time for the Nuevo 850 LeMans!     :food:

 :popcorn:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Triple Jim on November 07, 2017, 10:19:02 AM
that's a bit unrealistic don't ya think?? Even the current V7 III's tip the scale well beyond that. I'm thinking 480-490lbs is more realistic.

Yes, I do think it's unrealistic, which is why I expressed doubt about my 400 lb. hope.  But with bikes like the KTM 690 enduro coming in at 355 wet, it would take the the Guzzi being 400 or less to get my attention.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 07, 2017, 10:21:11 AM
Yes, I do think it's unrealistic, which is why I expressed doubt about my 400 lb. hope.  But with bikes like the KTM 690 enduro coming in at 355 wet, it would take the the Guzzi being 400 or less to get my attention.

The KTM 690 is a thumper.    If it were a twin, it'd be 50# heavier.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 07, 2017, 10:21:47 AM
They talk of autumn 2018 for the first bike derived from the concept to arrive at the dealers.
There will be other models with the same engine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Green1000S on November 07, 2017, 10:22:25 AM
Oh yes... time to soften the wifey and buy one. I like it!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 07, 2017, 10:23:30 AM
New V7III colors:
http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/en_EN/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-V7III/ (http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/en_EN/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-V7III/)

I like the red heads on this one.   And, I also like the return to the full sized side covers, only, now in all-metal, instead of plastic.
(http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/mediaObject/events/EICMA/images/moto-guzzi/V7-III/01_V7-III/resolutions/res-800x600/01_V7-III.jpg)

And, look, gloss paint with cast alloy wheels on the new Milano version.
(http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/mediaObject/events/EICMA/images/moto-guzzi/V7-III/02_V7-III/resolutions/res-800x600/02_V7-III.jpg)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 07, 2017, 10:27:24 AM
I am disappointed, promises of a new motor or concept at EICMA  and we got a pimped-up Stornello!
For many Moto Guzzi is badly in need of something between the small block and the 1400 series bikes.

Yeah, me too. I've read of a 5V with liquid cooled heads.. and.. nothing.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: adventurelounger on November 07, 2017, 10:27:51 AM
As a Stornello owner (and also a Super Tenere ADV rider), I️’m mildly intrigued. But to my eye, it looks like a mashup of Yammi’s XSR 900 in bumble bee livery with the 2016 Guzzi Stornello. Not exactly an “integrated” look...but that may be due to the McDonalds color way—yellow, red and white!

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on November 07, 2017, 10:41:25 AM
I like it!

That appears to be the baby Stelvio some have been clamoring about. Like someone else said, time to pony up. It'll be interesting to see the stats on this bike, weight, fuel capacity, etc.

John Henry
+10...It's creating a good buzz and getting people talking.  Some folks here are so wrapped up in the technical aspects they overlook the emotional tug, it's not ALWAYS about how many valves, where the shock is angled, it can also be if it appeals to you...all we really need is that they sell a bunch of these to keep the company afloat and continuing to develop new items over time.  If this gets folks more interested in the brand, sells reasonably well and is more than decently functional, (since when has Guzzi aimed to be at the top of the stack in any motorcycle class in the last 20 years anyway?).   

I like the return to the red frame, it would be nice if they had other options besides the yellow, but that's easily fixed if one really wanted to.

Nice to see Guzzi has generated some good publicity here and some buzz around the brand.

Now for those whose socks haven't been knocked off, maybe you should try wearing sandals for a bit!   :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Triple Jim on November 07, 2017, 10:47:52 AM
The KTM 690 is a thumper.    If it were a twin, it'd be 50# heavier.

OK, so we're back to my goal of 400 lbs., which is right around the 397 lb (wet) Yamaha FZ-07 that I'm seriously interested in.  :)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redhawk47 on November 07, 2017, 10:50:19 AM
more info:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/11/moto-guzzi-displays-striking-concept-v85-at-eicma/

Dan
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rick4003 on November 07, 2017, 10:51:14 AM
I like it. But I would love to hear more about this "new" engine. 80hp is not bad! That brings in the bit of extra horses that everybody is talking about. Now they just have to mount that in the other models.

-Ulrik
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Xlratr on November 07, 2017, 10:51:46 AM
I can't find anything I don't like about that V7 Milano above![emoji16]


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redhawk47 on November 07, 2017, 11:06:40 AM
more info
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/11/moto-guzzi-displays-striking-concept-v85-at-eicma/

I looks like Piaggio has actually been listening to the requests for a mid-weight Stelvio.

Dan
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on November 07, 2017, 11:14:33 AM
80 HP smallblock!
Time for the Nuevo 850 LeMans!     :food:

 :popcorn:


NUOVO: Italian
Nuevo : Spanish.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on November 07, 2017, 11:16:44 AM
Keep dreaming LOL
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kenvil1 on November 07, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
Sexy spoke nipples! It looks like it may have tubeless wire-spoke wheels.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/k5vTnb/Rim.png) (http://ibb.co/k5vTnb)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on November 07, 2017, 11:35:43 AM
Time for a merge fest http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=93210.msg1472021#new (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=93210.msg1472021#new)

 I'm working on it Jay .

 Dusty
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: adventurelounger on November 07, 2017, 11:35:58 AM
I can't find anything I don't like about that V7 Milano above![emoji16]


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Couldn’t agree more. It’s one of the best-looking V7s yet. What I find crazy is how, in almost 2018, the V7 design is still so emotionally appealing and so “iterable.”  I own one and the new models have me trying to rationalise getting another one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phang on November 07, 2017, 12:04:15 PM
 :whip2:
Sexy spoke nipples! It looks like it may have tubeless wire-spoke wheels.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/k5vTnb/Rim.png) (http://ibb.co/k5vTnb)


yes, those look like alpina nipples to me
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 07, 2017, 12:07:37 PM
Those ought to be fun to fix when the o-rings die.  :tongue:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 07, 2017, 12:08:55 PM
I won't go into numbers & HP as most other people already covered it and will do a lot better job than I do LOL...

V85:

in short, I love the scheme!...

I will be honest, I was not 100% sold on the look when I first see it, but the more I look at it, the more it grows on me.


Overall, I like it  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 07, 2017, 12:12:13 PM
Those ought to be fun to fix when the o-rings die.  :tongue:

Witchy has had good luck with his, and he beats on it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: gsp0702 on November 07, 2017, 12:24:49 PM
Good use of the V9 Engine, no apparently not it is the new motor, and as said previously rumours of ari/water cooled engine don't seem correct from the pics, looks to me like they looked at the BMW R9T GS and decided they could build a good facsimile, not sure it's a recipe for success copying models built by other manufacturers, but as a small niche player I guess creaming of some sales from the R9T could sell the numbers they need Tthey'll be happy.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 07, 2017, 12:27:53 PM
bottom line, another revised small block.  Good deal.  OK

No new 1100-1200 performer here as hinted.

Have to say, this is a bust.  It is.  We know it.  Sorry to say it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on November 07, 2017, 12:31:21 PM
Yeah, me too. I've read of a 5V with liquid cooled heads.. and.. nothing.

From what I've read the engine in this bike is a V9 engine not the new one that wasn't ready for the show.  Still reading the Moto Guzzi page for the V85 it does say the new engine is air cooled.  http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/

I do like it and will take a look at it if/when it hits the showrooms (of which I'm not sure there are any within 200 miles of me but whatever)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 07, 2017, 12:33:24 PM
I'm still saying a 1400 LeMans with panniers would work for the "sport touring" crowd and wouldn't conflict with Aprilia line of bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 07, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
From what I've read the engine in this bike is a V9 engine not the new one that wasn't ready for the show.  Still reading the Moto Guzzi page for the V85 it does say the new engine is air cooled.  http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/

I do like it and will take a look at it if/when it hits the showrooms (of which I'm not sure there are any within 200 miles of me but whatever)

All I can hope for is their "not ready for the show" does not turn into "we won't develop further due to unknown complications"...which is kind of a history with Guzzi as far as I can tell... :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 07, 2017, 12:58:11 PM
Probably wouldn't hurt to seal the inside of the rim w/bike tape.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Steph on November 07, 2017, 01:09:59 PM
:whip2:
yes, those look like alpina nipples to me


They wouldn’t put on the actual production heavy tubed chrome rims & cheap shocks on a show bike would they?
You can’t fool all the people all the time ...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JeffOlson on November 07, 2017, 01:50:45 PM
Unless they pull a rabbit out of their hat at the last minute (a la Steve Jobs' "one more thing"), I will be disappointed.

[Sigh...]
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on November 07, 2017, 02:14:22 PM
You can hardly expect a small company like Guzzi to come out with a new bike every year.
The 1400 was pretty radical, I( would rather they concentra6te on the existing models and just tart them up a bit.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pikipiki on November 07, 2017, 02:45:55 PM
Well what ever people think the v85 whatever surpasses my expectations. New more modern frame, engine upgrade is more substantial than anything since the introduction of the 1400, not God damned ugly,  no stupid wheel sizes, doesn't look like it will be hideous expensive. Only thing they maybe been too ambitious mentioning that engine. Might have made more sense to just laugh with v9 engine and surprise us with a new engine next year as it is if this is 18 moths off I'd have got bored by then and looked else where.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: swooshdave on November 07, 2017, 02:54:24 PM
Were they asking to name the bike. I think someone nailed it early on... kooka.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 07, 2017, 03:02:00 PM
Well what ever people think the v85 whatever surpasses my expectations. New more modern frame, engine upgrade is more substantial than anything since the introduction of the 1400, not God damned ugly,  no stupid wheel sizes, doesn't look like it will be hideous expensive.

Does anybody think this chassis design has a torque reaction linkage?  (like every GS for the last 30 years, and the Stelvio).  With long travel rear suspension and no torque reaction linkage, I don't think there's a chance the V85 could compete directly against other middle weight 2017 'adventure tourers' on the road.  It would need to be really inexpensive to find a market. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 07, 2017, 03:12:20 PM
You can hardly expect a small company like Guzzi to come out with a new bike every year.
The 1400 was pretty radical, I( would rather they concentra6te on the existing models and just tart them up a bit.

Roy, the 1400 was a development of the 1200 Hi Cam that has been around for ten years. It could be argued that the smallblock has remained virtually unchanged since '78! It's not like they are being asked to produce a new motor 'Every year'.

The crux of the matter is what lies beneath those three bolt retained rocker covers. My money is on four valves as was clearly apparent was coming from the architecture of the V9 top end. Whether this will be a Hi Cam or OHC design or simply a continuation of the ancient OHV design is the big question. If it remains an OHV design then all that has happened is the engine has reverted to something very much like a Lario!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 07, 2017, 03:26:03 PM
Were they asking to name the bike. I think someone nailed it early on... kooka.

Funny you should ask, there is a place to vote on the name on the bike's website lol

http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/ (http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 07, 2017, 03:26:43 PM

-It looks easy to change a rear tire It also has a nub at the transition between the rider cockpit and pillion that might as well have a vibrator in it because it's right where your SO's kooka is going to be if she rides with her arms around you.   
-Not crazy about the offset shock.  The swingarm doesn't look beefy enough for offroad abuse and the shock mounting position is going to create a twisting force that typical mounting doesn't.
If you're "looking after" her properly, she'll leave the "toy" at home...
Just thinking about it, if your "SO" happens to be packing heat, that nice little bump might not be such a good thing... :embarrassed:
Yeah, it will be easy to remove the rear wheel, a bit like an '07 Norge...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 07, 2017, 03:33:31 PM
Does anybody think this chassis design has a torque reaction linkage?  (like every GS for the last 30 years, and the Stelvio).  With long travel rear suspension and no torque reaction linkage, I don't think there's a chance the V85 could compete directly against other middle weight 2017 'adventure tourers' on the road.  It would need to be really inexpensive to find a market.

The Yamaha Super Tenere has no "torque reaction linkage" and it seems to compete pretty well against other bikes in it's class. My buddy Leo had one and I rode it when it was here for me to put driving lights on. I could detect no "shaft jacking", but then I wasn't running it very hard.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on November 07, 2017, 03:43:13 PM
I am not into that type bike but I LOVE it
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Recht on November 07, 2017, 03:54:18 PM
I like it.  :thumb: My submission for a name is : TerraFirma.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 07, 2017, 04:01:20 PM
Still looks like the bridesmaid that can cook, clean and not answer back, but just not....sexy.
Anyway, now that the V85 thing is out in the open, can I have my 850 cc Red Le Mans inspired thing with Ohlins suspension and twin radial Brembos dripping off the ends. That'll be my V8. This money is burning a hole and it's starting to hurt...
I'll put up with the current donk, but piss those sewerage inspection cover look alike, rocker covers off and stop painting the damn engines with a black rattle can.
They look pox !
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 07, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
So the new motor for this bike is not yet in the bike?  That new motor is then to be another update of the small block, this time adding 4v heads and other tweaks to make it much more powerful?  Am I right on this count?

If this bike makes it to market, it will be fascinating to see how well it sells.   Aside from a new LeMans no other bike has been asked for by so many here, than a small block Adventure bike with significant horsepower!  Here it is, how many will put up their dollars to buy one???   My experience leads me to be cynical when it comes to those who claim, "If only they made xxx I would by it in a second!" 

I hope Guzzi sells thousands, but I suspect they will only sell a dozen or so to the usual suspects.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beetle on November 07, 2017, 04:45:44 PM
> waves hand before eyes <  ...this is not the bike you're looking for.


I shall name it "Anticlimax"
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: HarveyMushman on November 07, 2017, 04:49:13 PM
I can't find anything I don't like about that V7 Milano above![emoji16]

Yes.  The V85 is intriguing, but I could easily see keeping the big Stelvio and adding that Milano . . .
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 07, 2017, 06:34:55 PM
I like it. A lot.  I think it will definitely appeal to a broad age group for a broad selection of uses.  Win win. I hope they sell them by the truckloads.  I'd like to have one, but until I win that lottery....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 07, 2017, 06:36:38 PM
So the new motor for this bike is not yet in the bike?  That new motor is then to be another update of the small block, this time adding 4v heads and other tweaks to make it much more powerful?  Am I right on this count?

If this bike makes it to market, it will be fascinating to see how well it sells.   Aside from a new LeMans no other bike has been asked for by so many here, than a small block Adventure bike with significant horsepower!  Here it is, how many will put up their dollars to buy one???   My experience leads me to be cynical when it comes to those who claim, "If only they made xxx I would by it in a second!" 

I hope Guzzi sells thousands, but I suspect they will only sell a dozen or so to the usual suspects.

 :1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 07, 2017, 06:43:05 PM

  • I don't know why, but that final shaft cover looks different to me...


That's because it's a completely new swingarm that's using a single shock.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Scud on November 07, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
I'm am close to being in the Adventure Bike market. Been looking at Africa Twin, used KTM 990s, the Husqvarna 701, and some others.

I quite like this bike. Based on the others I'm looking at you can tell I value off-road performance. If this new Guzzi comes to market, I could be tempted if they also offered a premium off-road version with 18" Rear and 21" Front wheels - and more ground clearance and suspension travel.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 07, 2017, 07:11:38 PM
bottom line, another revised small block.  Good deal.  OK

No new 1100-1200 performer here as hinted.

Have to say, this is a bust.  It is.  We know it.  Sorry to say it.

I feel your pain, brother John...

  :cry:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistajohn on November 07, 2017, 07:21:03 PM
I like the looks of it, but I like adventure tour bikes anyway. They’re so versatile, perfect for the places I ride. 850cc doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t know why anyone need 1400?..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: motocruz on November 07, 2017, 07:59:05 PM
Remember this is a concept bike. I like it a lot for a midsize size adventure. Just what I'm looking for to play on. Looking at the cylinders close the fins are not deep like air cooled. They look water cooled to me. Available by the end of next year they claim. My 1100 EV puts out 76 hp and at 80 from a 850.... Fun fun fun  :bike-037:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: adventurelounger on November 07, 2017, 08:28:15 PM
I️ have the name: Advottocinque
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on November 07, 2017, 08:31:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdeJl_paEkE

this guy is saying that the bike is just a concept and it will be presented as a real, finished bike, during the 2019 edition of the EICMA

I bet this bike will go make company to the Ippogrifo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on November 07, 2017, 09:39:56 PM
I feel your pain, brother John...

  :cry:

Enough  .... of the little fellas ....  where is the beef  :whip2:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on November 07, 2017, 10:25:03 PM
I submitted to the website that they should name it the V85 Quota. I think Quota is an appropriate name since they will probably import about 200 and half of those will be available new 10 years from now.

( I actually do think it looks kinda neat and it might be fun. )
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bmp72 on November 08, 2017, 01:31:38 AM
I also submitted a name for the V85.  The V85 Struzzo


(http://thumb.ibb.co/n7Epcb/Ostrich.jpg) (http://ibb.co/n7Epcb)


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kenvil1 on November 08, 2017, 06:08:06 AM
They almost had me believing that the V85 wasn’t just a concept, but then I came across an article that set me straight when it mentionned that this new model would have Ohlins suspension components.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistajohn on November 08, 2017, 06:12:00 AM
They should name it the V85 camel toe

(http://thumb.ibb.co/itEEAw/424_B733_A_F3_D1_4_E17_B31_B_4_A9_EC871_C0_C7.jpg) (http://ibb.co/itEEAw)


Strangely similar
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Diploman on November 08, 2017, 06:52:38 AM
In recent years ADV bikes have become so uniform in configuration that - if you take away the engine - it would be difficult to distinguish one marque from another.  They are tending strongly towards generic, with a large degree of design orthodoxy.  The V85 fits right into this syndrome.

So, Guzzi's EICMA offering shows a pleasant-looking but unremarkable chassis, certainly not in final production form. The motor, from all evidence a current V9 with new valve covers to suggest a forthcoming 4-valve head, is simply a placekeeper, unrepresentative of the claimed 80 HP mill that will appear in the future production version.

With neither chassis nor engine in final form, there seems little to be excited - or disappointed - about the V85 Concept.  It is pointed in a good direction, but how the production item will sort out remains to be seen.  The new 850 engine is the item of greatest interest, as it is reported that Guzzi plans to use this engine in an entire new line of bikes.  If they can boost power to 80 HP successfully while still passing Euro 4-5 emissions standards, more power to them!  They have bitten off a bit chunk, and we must wait and see if they can digest it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 08, 2017, 07:02:11 AM
I wouldn't get too excited about fall delivery. Unless things have changed since I was in the automotive prototyping arena, a new engine took a year to get through emissions qualification. We're not even seeing the new engine yet.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Denis on November 08, 2017, 09:08:00 AM
I like it.
My biggest doubt about it is that it might not reach the USA.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 08, 2017, 10:54:28 AM
The info I've read says it's a new model, not a concept.  Everything I've read also says it has either 4 or 5(!) valve heads and this is the engine they're using in the bike, not the larger capacity engine that's coming down the pipe later.  The castings on it look production ready.  It's not called a concept on the Guzzi website.  They say it's using a redesigned 850cc.   

I have my concerns about the bike, which I listed in a previous post.  However, All Guzzi has now are 700lb cruisers, the 600lbs Stelvio, The 560lbs Norge and Griso and then Smallblocks.  This bike makes sense.  It'll be close to 500lbs, have 80hp, a good electronic package(never thought I'd consider that a good thing on a bike) and will appeal to people other than the typical Guzzi crowd.  Hell, I'm even beginning to like the Ronald MacDonald paint scheme.

I've put 40,000 miles on several ADV type bikes in the last 6-7 years.  I know it will cause gnashing of teeth among the hardcore Guzzi guys but I hope the engine has shim under bucket so it will go 15k between intervals.  Most people who ride ADV bikes(except for KTM riders) want less maintenance, not more.  They want the longest intervals on all services that they can get.  It doesn't matter how easy it is to set screw and nut...they don't want to do it at all.  It also doesn't make any sense to put a 21" tire on an ADV bike.  They're all road machines, not off road machines.  The 19" front on this has many fewer on road compromises than a 21" would in order to gain off road capability.  It's not a KTM.

Guzzi has infinitesimal sales figures compared to the top 4 or 5 manufacturers.  Guzzi fans are lucky they're getting anything at all, let alone what I think is a pretty radical departure from their product line.  I would never, ever consider buying a Stelvio because it couldn't meet my needs for the type of ADV riding I enjoy.  I would definitely buy the V85.  I hope a lot of other people feel the same way when it comes to market.                     
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on November 08, 2017, 11:21:59 AM
I'd take it for a spin. 

I seriously looked at a Stelvio but the weight of the bigger bikes isn't something I want to deal with.  Took a BMW F700GS out for a ride and it was a nice bike (for what I do).  But I like Guzzis.  If Guzzi offered something comparable, it'd get a test ride with a real purchase potential.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on November 08, 2017, 11:26:55 AM

However, All Guzzi has now are 700lb cruisers, the 600lbs Stelvio, The 560lbs Norge and Griso and then Smallblocks.  machines.  The 19" front on this has many fewer on road compromises than a 21" would in order to gain off road capability.  It's not a KTM.
                 
It's actually worse than that....all CARC bikes have been cut from the lineup.  No Stelvio, Norge, or Griso in 2017 or later.  Any on the floor now are left over NOS that dealers are stuck with. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 08, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
If I was looking for a dual purpose then it's possible but I'm not.  No interest from me.  :tongue:  I don't need an "adventure" bike.  I have my Eldo hack at home and My '80 SP1000NT stock for touring on the mainland.   :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on November 08, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
I wouldn't get too excited about fall delivery. Unless things have changed since I was in the automotive prototyping arena, a new engine took a year to get through emissions qualification. We're not even seeing the new engine yet.

Absolutely !!

It will be presented as finished motorcycle at the 2018 EICMA edition.

Then it will probably hit the dealers by spring 2019 ??
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on November 08, 2017, 12:34:04 PM
If they build it I will buy it. 80 HP? My 850 LeMans only makes about 60 and I have no problem keeping up with most folks.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JeffOlson on November 08, 2017, 01:07:23 PM
It's actually worse than that....all CARC bikes have been cut from the lineup.  No Stelvio, Norge, or Griso in 2017 or later.  Any on the floor now are left over NOS that dealers are stuck with.

This has got me really down... I love the CARC bikes, especially my Norge. I looked at Moto Guzzi's Italian website yesterday, and all the CARC bikes have been removed.  :sad:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 08, 2017, 01:32:54 PM
What models were there?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JeffOlson on November 08, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
What models were there?

V7 variants, V9 variants (including the new "mini Stelvio"), and 1400 variants.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 08, 2017, 08:39:50 PM
Thanks.  Someone threw up a 2018 models thread w/links that have pix.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on November 09, 2017, 08:59:09 AM
What models were there?

http://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/


(http://thumb.ibb.co/h7EBsb/moto.png) (http://ibb.co/h7EBsb)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidsmoke on November 09, 2017, 09:54:58 AM
Awww, hell yes...


(http://thumb.ibb.co/kOnjvw/V85_white.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kOnjvw)

upload picture (http://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: IceBlue on November 09, 2017, 01:04:44 PM
I wouldn't get too excited about fall delivery. Unless things have changed since I was in the automotive prototyping arena, a new engine took a year to get through emissions qualification. We're not even seeing the new engine yet.

Tend to agree.
If they succeed, we seem to have a redesigned 8V small block forking out 80HP all SB folks has been crying for. A new platform for a much needed future path for the SB - do I hear V85 Lario, Monza or Imola or 850 Targa? etc etc. I Like the V85 Adventure, but perhaps in another color scheem...

The last 8V 750cc mill claimed 65hp on the crank... but as we all know with a no good valve train.

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 09, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
That right IceBlue!  If what Guzzi says, comes to be 80hp, from a small block is VERY impressive. 

Many times I have read here and else where, "If Guzzi would only bring us a SB with a 4/v head producing 65hp, I would buy one in the blink of an eye!" 

Apparently Guzzi heard that, and went to town on it in a big way. " 65 puny ponies?  Forget about it, we are going to give the faithful a much bigger bang for their euro/dollar, we are giving them 80 massive horsepower!"

I thought we were going to see a new 1200ish big block this year, but instead we got a Mean small block, I can live with that!  Some guys, "insert Pete here" are very unimpressed, but I certainly didn't think we would ever see a factory SB pushing out competitive power with similar Ducati motors!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JeffOlson on November 09, 2017, 08:08:19 PM
Awww, hell yes...


(http://thumb.ibb.co/kOnjvw/V85_white.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kOnjvw)

upload picture (http://imgbb.com/)


That's much better! Still, the beak hurts my eyes. And what about that left pannier? It must have a huge dent in it to clear the muffler; still, I could probably fit my gloves in it, and a bottle of vino...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on November 09, 2017, 08:56:04 PM
Beak,on
(http://thumb.ibb.co/n99Fkw/DSCF9358.jpg) (http://ibb.co/n99Fkw)
 my 2006 Buell.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 09, 2017, 10:03:41 PM
An 80 HP 4 or 5 valve small block is exciting, but, I'll let someone else buy the first year or two.   I mean, after the problems Guzzi has with 4 valve small blocks dropping valves the last time, hydro valve trains, flat tappet 4 valve (per cylinder) big blocks, etc.   They don't exactly have a good track record with new valve trains.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 09, 2017, 10:46:14 PM
Perhaps, but the original 4v was developed under state control if I recall correctly.  The hydro motor was a big block.   The first generation big block 4v were indeed a real issue.  This being the case I would not fear a new multi valve.  But I have had nothing but good luck with the two Guzzi I bought new.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on November 10, 2017, 01:30:00 AM
It should be considered that not Moto Guzzi develops the new engines today but Aprilia. And they tend to know what they do.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on November 10, 2017, 02:37:56 AM
As expected, I read a lot of negative comments here. It seems obvious to me that Guzzi is never going to stand up again with the help of their existing clients, some of whom seem to be drinking a bucket of vinegar in the morning  :wink:.  Guzzi  desperately needs new blood that looks at their models without any prejudice.  1,5 year ago I sold my Norge to buy a Bmw f700gs and got a lot of criticism for that.  I wanted a lighter bike with decent hp and torque , and Guzzi did not offer it. So, I really like the V85, I hope it lives up to it's expectations (Hp, torque, seat, suspension....) etc.  And I hope they sell tons of it, even if that would make Guzzi less "exclusive" (which seems to be the only reason some people buy Guzzi).
Sorry, had to get that off my chest....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on November 10, 2017, 02:57:29 AM
As expected, I read a lot of negative comments here. It seems obvious to me that Guzzi is never going to stand up again with the help of their existing clients, some of whom seem to be drinking a bucket of vinegar in the morning  :wink:.  Guzzi  desperately needs new blood that looks at their models without any prejudice.  1,5 year ago I sold my Norge to buy a Bmw f700gs and got a lot of criticism for that.  I wanted a lighter bike with decent hp and torque , and Guzzi did not offer it. So, I really like the V85, I hope it lives up to it's expectations (Hp, torque, seat, suspension....) etc.  And I hope they sell tons of it, even if that would make Guzzi less "exclusive" (which seems to be the only reason some people buy Guzzi).
Sorry, had to get that off my chest....

 :1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: IceBlue on November 10, 2017, 03:12:33 AM
That right IceBlue!  If what Guzzi says, comes to be 80hp, from a small block is VERY impressive. 

Many times I have read here and else where, "If Guzzi would only bring us a SB with a 4/v head producing 65hp, I would buy one in the blink of an eye!" 

Apparently Guzzi heard that, and went to town on it in a big way. " 65 puny ponies?  Forget about it, we are going to give the faithful a much bigger bang for their euro/dollar, we are giving them 80 massive horsepower!"

I thought we were going to see a new 1200ish big block this year, but instead we got a Mean small block, I can live with that!  Some guys, "insert Pete here" are very unimpressed, but I certainly didn't think we would ever see a factory SB pushing out competitive power with similar Ducati motors!

I'm very exited! And I hope they sell tons of it. I do not fear a new 8V SB mill. I'm sure Guzzi have learned their lesson from past experiance! I'm really looking forward to a new more powerfull line of SB's!!

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on November 10, 2017, 03:17:17 AM
A timely comment, Frans! ^^

Now, can someone confirm that those 80 hp are on the wheel?
Then I'll be excited about forthcoming models. Those ADV types are not for me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 10, 2017, 06:07:16 AM
A timely comment, Frans! ^^

Now, can someone confirm that those 80 hp are on the wheel?
Then I'll be excited about forthcoming models. Those ADV types are not for me.

ha ha ha ho ho ho have you thought of taking up comedy? Guzzi have never ever published wheel numbers they have always been flywheel.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 10, 2017, 06:47:43 AM
I wouldn't get too excited about fall delivery. Unless things have changed since I was in the automotive prototyping arena, a new engine took a year to get through emissions qualification. We're not even seeing the new engine yet.

How do we know that they haven't already been working on getting this engine through emissions in Europe and the USA? After all, they have been succesfully tight lipped on this bike until the show.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 10, 2017, 06:49:38 AM
As expected, I read a lot of negative comments here. It seems obvious to me that Guzzi is never going to stand up again with the help of their existing clients, some of whom seem to be drinking a bucket of vinegar in the morning  :wink:.  Guzzi  desperately needs new blood that looks at their models without any prejudice.  1,5 year ago I sold my Norge to buy a Bmw f700gs and got a lot of criticism for that.  I wanted a lighter bike with decent hp and torque , and Guzzi did not offer it. So, I really like the V85, I hope it lives up to it's expectations (Hp, torque, seat, suspension....) etc.  And I hope they sell tons of it, even if that would make Guzzi less "exclusive" (which seems to be the only reason some people buy Guzzi).
Sorry, had to get that off my chest....

Don't get me wrong, I am truly excited about the forthcoming 80 HP small block.
But, at the same time, with the multiple expensive failures that I had on my Breva 1100 (two gauge clusters, one clutch that delaminated way before its time), and seeing the various valve train failures that have come out of Moto Guzzi, I just don't want to be the first guy to buy one.

I have had great service with the three small blocks that I've owned (still have two of them), and hope to see more of that kind of reliability in the future.   

Moto Guzzi is trying to grow their market.   As more of their bikes get out in the public eye, another failure like the Larios dropping valves, or the flat tappet fiasco could sink the company.    I hope they've thoroughly tested this new motor and don't have any widespread problems in customer hands.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 10, 2017, 08:33:55 AM
How do we know that they haven't already been working on getting this engine through emissions in Europe and the USA? After all, they have been succesfully tight lipped on this bike until the show.
it's possible. They've been very tight-lipped strangely enough. Because of this there have been conflicting reports that the engine they're showing isn't the production engine. Time will tell.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Diploman on November 10, 2017, 08:36:54 AM
Murray,  Your posts are consistently filled with cynicism, derision, vitriol, anti-Guzzi hostility, and gloom.  They seem to reflect an obsessive need to throw a wet blanket on any other poster's  enthusiasm, optimism or positive comments.  Do you take a perverse pleasure in cultivating an image as the Grim Reaper of WildGuzzi? 

Just as I love my wife despite knowing that she is not perfect, most of us here are well aware of Guzzi's shortcomings but continue to appreciate and support the marque's charms and strengths.   Some of your downer posts appear to be based on the premise that Guzzi is the only manufacturer whose bikes have any faults.  That, of course, is far from being the case, as we all know.

I would love to read a post from you that is interesting, creative, helpful or in some way positive.  However, if the dark side of the ledger is your only venue and you have nothing more than gratuitous negativity to contribute, I - and doubtless many others here - would appreciate it if you would keep your poison to yourself and not spill it here.  WildGuzzi should be a place to share a positive community experience.  Thank you.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on November 10, 2017, 09:04:19 AM
A timely comment, Frans! ^^

Now, can someone confirm that those 80 hp are on the wheel?
Surely not.
At the cranckshaft, they are at the limit of what's believable for a 850cc air-cooled V-twin that complies with the current emission regulations (and future. Euro-5 will come in 2020, and the life cycle of a new model is at least 5 years). It would have a higher specific power than the Ducati 800.
At the wheel, is beyond the realms of credibility.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: adventurelounger on November 10, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
Very diplomatically said, Diploman. Even at 53, I happen to be relatively newish to Moto Guzzi. I'm now almost two years into owning a V7II Stornello and frigging love it. I don't have years or decades of Guzzi model experience (but about 15 years on 2 wheels...including BMWs, a Yamaha, and a Vespa). Ironically, I came to Yamaha and Guzzi FROM the BMW side. I enjoyed their bikes but found them to be fraught with unsettling recall issues (F800GS) and annoying engineering quirks that led to annoying small failures or frustrations. When I wanted to upgrade to a larger and reliable ADV bike, I looked at the big GS (and KTM) but settled on a Super Tenere (which has been joyful and flawless). And my Guzzi has been dream. I was attracted to the brand because of its European heritage and gorgeous styling. My dealer (Hamlin Cycles in CT) is top notch.

So when I read the grousing here about discontinued older models, valve arrangement obsession, and HP wistfulness or disappointment, I'm like...wha? It's awesome to have a Euro-bike alternative to the German and British (well, Triumph) machines that are stylish, have legit history and heritage, and are genuinely fun. For whatever reason, Ducati just doesn't float my boat, and I'm not sure why. I somehow find them less interesting than Guzzis, even if higher performing.

I'd love to see Guzzi be around for years to come. I like the new V85 and would love to see it in different livery (red frame with yellow and white paint is a little, um, McDonaldland to me). I can see myself buying one at some point. I come here to enjoy other rider's thoughts and opinions, and don't object to funny or clever potshots at the brand or this new engine/model. But if one thinks the bikes and the brand are shit, why spend the time or energy on an enthusiast site dumping on them?


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on November 10, 2017, 09:30:03 AM
While some are taking the "wait and see" approach, I will take one for the Gipper.  I called yesterday and am first on the list to get one when the "local" dealer gets them in.  All the things I liked about my Stelvio are still there but it is MUCH lighter.  The reason I gave the Stelvio to my son was I figured I would drop it in the driveway while pushing it around.  Don't get me wrong I have a Norge but for off road I want something lighter. Singletrack is the Freeride or 570 but this will be for dual sport trips that usually are about 80% off the pavement.  The V85 is not a dirt bike but is very well suited to become a great dual sport bike.  The reason I keep riding Guzzi is that it brings a smile to my face every time I get on it.  Not only that, but all you have to do is "think it" around a turn and it is already done.  With the lower weight, slimmer seating, Ohlins suspension, and beefed up Guzzi power and character, I am sure I will not be disappointed.  At 65 I am riding to enjoy the experience on and off road.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: flip on November 10, 2017, 09:32:44 AM

Now, can someone confirm that those 80 hp are on the wheel?

I don't recall ever seeing Moto Guzzi or Aprilia advertising rear wheel hp so I seriously doubt it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: dxhall on November 10, 2017, 09:53:07 AM
Did the dealer tell you when the bikes would arrive in the US? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 10, 2017, 09:57:19 AM
Most manufacturers claim crank up, Guzzi is no different.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 10, 2017, 10:27:49 AM
100hp per liter at the crank is very, very good for an air-cooled twin.  See many 103ci Harley's with 170hp at the crank?  The Monster 1100 had 100hp.  For this reason, I think the valve train will be shim under bucket.  I think the engine will need to spin to an 8,500-9,000rpm redline to reach 80hp.  The engine is almost 50% smaller than a Griso 8v but puts out 70-75% as much power.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on November 10, 2017, 10:45:17 AM
ha ha ha ho ho ho have you thought of taking up comedy? Guzzi have never ever published wheel numbers they have always been flywheel.

Well thanks anyway, still significantly better than the V7s and V9s, no?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joe A. on November 10, 2017, 11:45:18 AM
Trialsman,

Congrats! Any idea when they will be in? Also, if I may ask, MSRP? I'm taking a guess at around $13k? Give or take a thou or so.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on November 10, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
I will seriously take a look at the V85 when it hits the showroom as I am thinking about adding a smaller and lighter mode of fun.  I'm not too worried about buying a first-year model as after umpty-thousand trouble free miles on a 2013 California Touring (well, except for the cracked crossover), it' still putting a smile on my face every time I get on it.  I think they may have finally got their QC right after the roller and clutch issues of days gone by.  My only problem is that I have room for 2 bikes in the man cave and would have to evict a car from the garage or get the white-trash sofa out of the shop.  Not an easy decision :evil:. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on November 10, 2017, 04:52:17 PM
I will seriously take a look at the V85 when it hits the showroom as I am thinking about adding a smaller and lighter mode of fun.  I'm not too worried about buying a first-year model as after umpty-thousand trouble free miles on a 2013 California Touring (well, except for the cracked crossover), it' still putting a smile on my face every time I get on it.  I think they may have finally got their QC right after the roller and clutch issues of days gone by.  My only problem is that I have room for 2 bikes in the man cave and would have to evict a car from the garage or get the white-trash sofa out of the shop.  Not an easy decision :evil:.

Goodbye sofa! It’s hard enough gettin people outta the garage as it is.😜
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 10, 2017, 05:04:54 PM
Not a hard decision.  Car goes outside.  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 10, 2017, 05:09:40 PM
Tom's right, it's the only solution a true Guzzista can come too!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 10, 2017, 05:16:10 PM
Absolutely. A car never graced our garage unless I was working on it until we built Castle Pretentious, and had plenty of Guzzi room.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 10, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
Amazing how may bikes can fit into a garage with no car in it.   :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 10, 2017, 05:31:08 PM
Time to go buy a lottery ticket. I would love to add this V85 to my garage.  I should have chosen a different career field so I could sleep on mattresses full of money :evil:

80HP does not appeal to me. I like torque more.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 10, 2017, 05:40:07 PM
This would have appealed to me when I was younger.  I don't bounce that well.  Used to.   :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Diploman on November 11, 2017, 07:17:05 AM
Someone earlier in this thread objected to the offset rear shock on the V85, saying that this arrangement would induce a twisting moment into the swingarm.

Oddly, the new Ducati Scrambler has a very similar offset shock (along with the Kawasaki VerSys) and these pass without comment.  BMW has also used this configuration.  Seems like selective bias against Guzzi.

Offset rear shocks are a long-used and proven suspension arrangement, one which frees up space in the chassis center for other useful purposes compared to a centerline monoshock.  I don't find this a valid basis for objection, provided that the production model will have a quality single offset shock that works well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on November 11, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
 My BMW K75S that i owned used the offset single shock, made tire changing a breeze, put bike on center stand,remove 4 bolts take off tire. Lot of things I liked about that bike.....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2017, 08:51:04 AM
Just a quiet one on the topic of heaping derision on Guzzies, (not Guzzi's)...
For my part I could not give a rats if my old Norge is bristling with 50's technology and is "old hat" and ; (relatively) gutless. I, like anyone else here could go and pull a Hyabusa out of any dealer and shut the door on that particular level of criticism.
However...
The argument that Guzzi simply must (and quite soon), start to compete head to head with their peers, does hold some water, because it is the sale of NEW bikes that keeps the doors open in Mandello, not the selling and re cycling of existing bikes on the road, or long term owners who say, "I don't care if all the new bikes are crap, my Norge will see me out"...
And I'm one of them.
When your new bike buyer takes his/her wheelbarrow full of money to the shop to buy a beaut new bike, they have to think of a damn good reason to stroll past all the Triumphs, Beemers, Dukes etc... and dump the lot on a Guzzi.
Murray's comments might be a little fruity for some, but the thrust of his comments may be worth trying to digest before being spat out...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2017, 08:57:27 AM
Someone earlier in this thread objected to the offset rear shock on the V85, saying that this arrangement would induce a twisting moment into the swingarm.

Oddly, the new Ducati Scrambler has a very similar offset shock (along with the Kawasaki VerSys) and these pass without comment.  BMW has also used this configuration.  Seems like selective bias against Guzzi.

Offset rear shocks are a long-used and proven suspension arrangement, one which frees up space in the chassis center for other useful purposes compared to a centerline monoshock.  I don't find this a valid basis for objection, provided that the production model will have a quality single offset shock that works well.
Valid comment I reckon.
There will be a twisting moment there (Issac Newton said so), but the inbuilt rigidity is more than enough to cope.
If you consider that the centre of pressure is on the centre line of the wheel, a rough guess would be about 70 mm offset, just not enough moment to create trouble. As you correctly say, not a drama with the other examples.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mermoto on November 11, 2017, 10:44:07 AM
White Edition  :grin:

(http://www.zen73107.zen.co.uk/bike/guzzi/whitefacebook.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 11, 2017, 10:55:10 AM
No information on the motor and the only change seems to be to the shape of the rocker covers so if there is anything it looks like it's just bearing out what was already evident in the castings of the head and rocker supports. Central plug and a couple of extra valves per cylinder.....zzzzzz zzzzz........

Minor improvements to other stuff, totally inadequate rear suspension and no reactive drive. Sorry, socks still firmly attatched to feet.

It's also, as they say, a 'Concept' so chances are it's the only one ever 'Built'. I wouldn't be holding your breath waiting for one to pop up in a showroom near you. Oh well. It achieved its aim. It got people talking and made fantasists all moist.

Pete
I believe the single rear shock being located on the right side of the bike would or could work as well as the R80 from the early 1980s.  At least one wouldn't have to take half the bike apart to replace the shock.  Doesn't appear to have a single sided swingarm (lovely for removing rear wheel.)  Seems rather regressive to add more power and not equip the bike with CARC or similar reactive rear drive.  My 1991 R100GS has a Paralever (reactive) final drive with single sided swingarm.  Maybe a slightly less massive CARC would work cosmetically with this slightly smaller bike.

Seems to me that the Griso chassis and powertrain could have been developed into several different desirable models .... thinking about the multi model R9T bikes.

Oh, well ............ off to another thread, now.  Socks still on!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: AH Fan on November 11, 2017, 11:42:01 AM
White Edition  :grin:

(http://www.zen73107.zen.co.uk/bike/guzzi/whitefacebook.jpg)



Now that is a sexy Goose.............. ........ me likey....me want one.    :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on November 11, 2017, 11:50:46 AM
The words jones'n and woody come to mind
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 11, 2017, 01:20:52 PM
Someone earlier in this thread objected to the offset rear shock on the V85, saying that this arrangement would induce a twisting moment into the swingarm.

Oddly, the new Ducati Scrambler has a very similar offset shock (along with the Kawasaki VerSys) and these pass without comment.  BMW has also used this configuration.  Seems like selective bias against Guzzi.

Offset rear shocks are a long-used and proven suspension arrangement, one which frees up space in the chassis center for other useful purposes compared to a centerline monoshock.  I don't find this a valid basis for objection, provided that the production model will have a quality single offset shock that works well.
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The Versys, Ninja650 and Ducati aren't shaft drive.  think it's a valid concern until we see how the swingarm is mounted.  I'm not selectively biased.  I'm on my fifth or sixth Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on November 11, 2017, 03:15:37 PM
Awww, hell yes...


(http://thumb.ibb.co/kOnjvw/V85_white.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kOnjvw)

upload picture (http://imgbb.com/)


 :1: :thumb: Gotta have the bags!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2017, 03:29:15 PM
:1: :thumb: Gotta have the bags!
I would love to see one in Guzzi red with satin black frame and silver anodised wheels.
Could stand side by side with a Multistrada without looking like it was trying to copy, but the subliminal suggestion is that it's from the same family and a viable alternative.
You need these ideas to be planted in your head without you being aware, and then you think they are your own and it becomes your opinion that you're then prepared to defend.
That's how fashions and desires are born.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on November 11, 2017, 04:14:15 PM
https://rideapart.com/articles/moto-guzzi-brings-passion-unveils-concept-v85

Not sure if this was in the thread
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 11, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
Hey......anyone want to do a Photoshop cafe job on this bike???  Keep the red frame.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Diploman on November 11, 2017, 04:59:26 PM
I like the red frame but I would also like to see the V85 photoshopped in the colors described above by Huzo.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 11, 2017, 05:20:05 PM
Great idea guys!  If there is one thing we don't see enough of on the internet, it is Photoshopped bikes that don't exist!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kenvil1 on November 11, 2017, 05:27:12 PM
The bike looks nice and all, but it seems a lot like the GS from the pre-Paralever days, some thirty years ago. The parallelogram rear suspension was designed specifically for the GS to remedy shaft-effect which adversely put weight on the front wheel during acceleration, rather than the opposite, which is especially critical  in a dirt environment.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on November 11, 2017, 05:52:42 PM
I really think that white with the red frame and accents looks great. Adding the Trax boxes really drives home that Guzzi is offering what I have heard many ask for, a slightly smaller Stelvio. If this thing has the power between the small block and the CARC bikes (like they are saying), and carries less than 500 lbs fully kitted out, looks like this could be a winner.

And I like the dirt bike fender as opposed to a regular fender with a beak coming out from a mini fairing. And I'm not a beak hater either. I really like the looks of that white.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on November 11, 2017, 07:01:51 PM
A few years ago I dreamed of a bike similar to this.

I don't know my exact situation for the next few years, but if this comes out close to the way it was presented (Ohlins are back eh Guzzi?!) then maybe I'll be a buyer.

I'd like to be. :)

-Joe
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2017, 07:41:16 PM
Great idea guys!  If there is one thing we don't see enough of on the internet, it is Photoshopped bikes that don't exist!
If enough people want them, maybe Guzzi will listen..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on November 12, 2017, 12:01:19 AM
White Edition  :grin:

(http://www.zen73107.zen.co.uk/bike/guzzi/whitefacebook.jpg)

That looks great. I would be happy with 70-75hp.  Cruise control would be nice.

I would like an rev limiter of at least 7,800.  My one complaint on my V7iii is the low rev limiter and need to shift sooner.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on November 12, 2017, 01:15:43 PM
 I think the Roamer would have been good name for the V85. Maybe they can change names and really confuse people.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Calijackalbob on November 14, 2017, 12:04:58 PM
The V85 is a great idea methinks. I can see the engine being used in v7, v9 frames and in various guises in the prototype frame. Here's one photoshop rendering that has got a lot of positive comments on facebook.


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dOJBxb/V85_Brutale.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dOJBxb)


.............. like a griso wiht a trellis frame.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 14, 2017, 12:28:08 PM
The V85 is a great idea methinks. I can see the engine being used in v7, v9 frames and in various guises in the prototype frame. Here's one photoshop rendering that has got a lot of positive comments on facebook.


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dOJBxb/V85_Brutale.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dOJBxb)


.............. like a griso wiht a trellis frame.

ya, saw this too..

it is like a mini Monster of Guzzi  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 14, 2017, 12:29:02 PM
The V85 is a great idea methinks. I can see the engine being used in v7, v9 frames and in various guises in the prototype frame. Here's one photoshop rendering that has got a lot of positive comments on facebook.


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dOJBxb/V85_Brutale.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dOJBxb)


.............. like a griso wiht a trellis frame.

I like it.

I wonder why the person who did this photoshop mirror imaged it and put the final drive on the other side?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Calijackalbob on November 14, 2017, 12:31:16 PM
I like it.

I wonder why the person who did this photoshop mirror imaged it and put the final drive on the other side?

Good eye there mate! I only  saw the lines of the body work. Hahaha!

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on November 14, 2017, 01:22:35 PM
I'll probably never buy a new Guzzi, but if I win the lottery I'll put my name down for one of these  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kenvil1 on November 14, 2017, 02:55:29 PM

(http://thumb.ibb.co/dOJBxb/V85_Brutale.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dOJBxb)


Well at least the passenger has foot pegs!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 14, 2017, 05:49:34 PM
The V85 is a great idea methinks. I can see the engine being used in v7, v9 frames and in various guises in the prototype frame. Here's one photoshop rendering that has got a lot of positive comments on facebook.


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dOJBxb/V85_Brutale.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dOJBxb)


.............. like a griso wiht a trellis frame.


SCHWIIIIING

(take off that bash plate or give it a chin fairing, tho .. also why are the exhaust & shock on the same side?)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 14, 2017, 05:56:34 PM
As long as you're at it, Guzzi, build and market a similar bike with an 8v big block.  Surely, you can make the 1151cc engine Euro4 compliant.  Or just take the big leap and build it around the 1400cc big block.  I get it, Guzzi ........ you've gone small block crazy.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 14, 2017, 08:42:13 PM
I find it interesting to see indications that Piaggio/Guzzi is following Ducati's engine development lead, about 30 years later...  By that I mean developing the cheap 'small block' engine of the line to produce more power, while downplaying the future of more expensive to produce 'big block' design.  Ducati did the same thing with their belt drive engine that had started out as a cheap, low power 500 cc engine and eventually ended up winning Superbike races in much developed form.

I think the V85 desperately needs torque reactive rear suspension but I think if it had it, and could also be built to sell at 'small block' pricing, lower than the Stelvio, it would sell.  The same is true for possible derivatives using the uprated small block engine to reduce the price, making the bikes more accessible - like Ducati did in the 90s with the Monster etc.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: wymple on November 15, 2017, 12:05:45 AM
I really liked the yellow one I've seen the pictures of. Put on some good road tires (I don't get off the path) it it looks great to me. Wonder the seat height?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Steph on November 15, 2017, 06:18:27 AM
White Edition  :grin:

(http://www.zen73107.zen.co.uk/bike/guzzi/whitefacebook.jpg)

Similar with bags and even more obscure

(http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2016_SWM_Superdual_9.jpg)]
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidsmoke on November 15, 2017, 07:33:45 AM
White Edition  :grin:
(http://www.zen73107.zen.co.uk/bike/guzzi/whitefacebook.jpg)

Interesting that this view shows black valve covers, while the other view i posted previously shows Red valve covers. I wonder how much of this is simply photoshopped


(http://thumb.ibb.co/jrjKJR/V85_white.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jrjKJR)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2017, 10:05:55 PM
The V85 is a great idea methinks. I can see the engine being used in v7, v9 frames and in various guises in the prototype frame. Here's one photoshop rendering that has got a lot of positive comments on facebook.


(http://thumb.ibb.co/dOJBxb/V85_Brutale.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dOJBxb)


.............. like a griso wiht a trellis frame.
Is it possible to do satin black frame, no bash plate and un painted engine with polished rocker covers ?
Seems that Guzzi are also trying to design "feature" out of the image and accentuate bland mono tone.
But that's getting mighty close. I've yet to see an image like what I just asked about (obviously), but I've the feeling that it would be all I'd need to buy one today.
Love the stock high pipe. Just add your own Termignoni and spoked wheels with polished rims...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2017, 10:10:12 PM
Great idea guys!  If there is one thing we don't see enough of on the internet, it is Photoshopped bikes that don't exist!
If you owned Guzzi, and you knew every man and his dog wanted a given colour, wouldn't you oblige them ?
These people are screaming out to Guzzi what they are prepared to take from the showroom floor ! We know they bloody well don't exist, but why not !
Paul Harris (Corsa Italiana) told me there were only 3 Red Norge's in G.B.
Yet everyone wanted a Red one and went elsewhere for something else when he (for some reason) couldn't supply.
 I would make them in Baby Shit Brown if I thought I could sell them all...
Oh and BTW..
If they existed... there'd be no need to photo shop them, you could go out in your shed and jump on the one you just bought !
Scuzzy, I'm off to put a deposit on my Moto Guzzi Ibrido.
Have it washed and brought to my tent, we don't wish to be disturbed !!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kevdog3019 on November 16, 2017, 05:27:08 AM
I hate this “everyone’s a bike designer” photoshop junk. Pretty soon it becomes obscured and we ask “would the real bike please stand up?”  Colors??  Who cares as it sounds like a bunch of girls shopping for undies. I hate having to hunt down the real concept through all the wannabe crap that’s being thrown around.  :undecided:
Ok... cleared my chest.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 16, 2017, 05:36:51 AM
Quote
I would make them in Baby Shit Brown

They did that with the Norge in 08, I think.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 16, 2017, 07:12:52 AM
I hate this �everyone�s a bike designer� photoshop junk. Pretty soon it becomes obscured and we ask �would the real bike please stand up?�  Colors??  Who cares as it sounds like a bunch of girls shopping for undies. I hate having to hunt down the real concept through all the wannabe crap that�s being thrown around.  :undecided:
Ok... cleared my chest.

I know, google is such a PIA....

/ Sarcasm

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on November 16, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
or they could do what they did with the V7 and offer accessories to change the look for replacement parts.  Even easier.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on November 16, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
They did that with the Norge in 08, I think.
Yes, AH Fan has one, looks great.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 17, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
They did that with the Norge in 08, I think.
ALso a copper/bronze that was IMO quite attractive.  As for the BSB color, well............... ................???
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 17, 2017, 06:06:57 PM
ALso a copper/bronze that was IMO quite attractive.  As for the BSB color, well............... ................???
Probably bearable if it's got no lumps in it. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 17, 2017, 06:12:42 PM
Actually, just looking at that V85.
That'd be a reasonable platform for a slightly dirt biased road bike, with some of the edge design taken away and some handlebar treatment,
Sort of in the Multi Strada concept, but a heavy road bias. Maybe needs the 19" front wheel for off roar/gravel application.
Personally very much like the high pipe but for road bias, maybe an accentuated screen (but not too much), frame mounted of course.
Gotta be Red, satin black frame and polished wire wheels with heavy duty spokes and no bland blacking out of the engine...
I'd buy one today !
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on November 17, 2017, 07:01:40 PM
When I see that bike I see a possible competitor to the middle weight dual sport segment. 800 Triumph XC, 650 V Stroms, and BMW 800 GS's. If the weight comes in at under 500 lbs it could be a contender. Might not match them in pure power but it has something neither of them has. A Guzzi V twin.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bonaventure on November 17, 2017, 07:07:56 PM
I like the V85 now that it's grown on me a bit. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on November 17, 2017, 07:35:27 PM
When I see that bike I see a possible competitor to the middle weight dual sport segment. 800 Triumph XC, 650 V Stroms, and BMW 800 GS's. If the weight comes in at under 500 lbs it could be a contender. Might not match them in pure power but it has something neither of them has. A Guzzi V twin.

Pete

Or a drive shaft.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 17, 2017, 07:50:47 PM
Or a drive shaft.

This is one of the things that wins me as a Guzzi

I love the new Tiger 800...but I just can’t justify the chain anymore now I am so used to the shaft  :cool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on November 17, 2017, 08:33:12 PM
This is one of the things that wins me as a Guzzi

I love the new Tiger 800...but I just can�t justify the chain anymore now I am so used to the shaft  :cool:

must be the odd man out , i like the shaft drive especially the carc on my Griso , but that would not be a deciding factor for me ... especially with ADV  bikes as light is a good thing as  KTM  and Triumph have figured out .
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on November 17, 2017, 08:34:22 PM
This is one of the things that wins me as a Guzzi

I love the new Tiger 800...but I just can�t justify the chain anymore now I am so used to the shaft  :cool:

I have a Tiger 800. I think I have only adjusted the chain once in 17K miles. The motor is great with torque everywhere but I have still not gotten used to the gear whine. The 21" wheel is fine for single track but it makes for a poor sport bike. A 19" front would make a better all around bike for my what I would do with it which is long distance road work, paved or gravel.

Pete

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 17, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
must be the odd man out , i like the shaft drive especially the carc on my Griso , but that would not be a deciding factor for me ... especially with ADV  bikes as light is a good thing as  KTM  and Triumph have figured out .

Well I understand the shaft drive system is a pig comparing to the chain system.

Also with proper maintenance and possible upgrade of the chain, it will be just fine.

But really tho, if you were given a choice, would you still choose chain over shaft if you have a choice between the two if offered  on the same bike?

Granted, it isn’t a deal breaker for me, but rather “bonus”

I have a Tiger 800. I think I have only adjusted the chain once in 17K miles. The motor is great with torque everywhere but I have still not gotten used to the gear whine. The 21" wheel is fine for single track but it makes for a poor sport bike. A 19" front would make a better all around bike for my what I would do with it which is long distance road work, paved or gravel.

Pete


You basically described how I would like to use an ADV bike for :P

And crossing finger WHEN Guzzi decided to release V85 “unnamed”, it will do just that
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 17, 2017, 11:26:42 PM
I have a Tiger 800. I think I have only adjusted the chain once in 17K miles.
Pete
I do NOT disbelieve you, but did you put the " I think" part in for any special reason ?
What make is the chain, and has it got any wear, where it drags on the road ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on November 18, 2017, 06:56:44 AM
I do NOT disbelieve you, but did you put the " I think" part in for any special reason ?
What make is the chain, and has it got any wear, where it drags on the road ?

No idea of the brand. Its whatever came on the bike. I do lube it every 600-1000 miles though. Not a big deal, especially if you have a centerstand, I don't, just a race stand. I been using Motul chain lube if that makes any difference.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 18, 2017, 06:59:28 AM
No idea of the brand. Its whatever came on the bike. I do lube it every 600-1000 miles though. Not a big deal, especially if you have a centerstand, I don't, just a race stand. I been using Motul chain lube if that makes any difference.

Pete
Pretty damn impressive.
I've never managed that far between adjustments, but good for you.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 18, 2017, 07:51:23 AM
When I see that bike I see a possible competitor to the middle weight dual sport segment. 800 Triumph XC, 650 V Stroms, and BMW 800 GS's. If the weight comes in at under 500 lbs it could be a contender. Might not match them in pure power but it has something neither of them has. A Guzzi V twin.

Pete

At 80 HP, it certainly does match the BMW 800GS (85 HP) and 650 V Strom (70-75HP?).    The 800 Triumph is 95 HP, still in the same ball park.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on November 18, 2017, 08:59:41 AM
Just another data point. The registration for my '76 850 LeMans reads 450 lbs. Thats with a steel tank, plastic fenders  and sidecovers, fiberglass actually. I don't see why this bike couldn't come in well under 500 lbs as well, especially if they used the engine as a stress member. I am sure carbs weigh more than injectors too.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 18, 2017, 09:34:18 AM
Just another data point. The registration for my '76 850 LeMans reads 450 lbs. Thats with a steel tank, plastic fenders  and sidecovers, fiberglass actually. I don't see why this bike couldn't come in well under 500 lbs as well, especially if they used the engine as a stress member. I am sure carbs weigh more than injectors too.

Pete

I'll bet your 850 LeMans doesn't come in well under 500 lbs.  :smiley:

Quote
I don't think so. "The Book" sez the Monza weighs 160kg dry. That translates to 352.7 lbs. Mine is bone stock and weighs 378.6.
snip
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on November 18, 2017, 09:39:41 AM
Pretty damn impressive.
I've never managed that far between adjustments, but good for you.



Just to throw in here, i have experienced similar performance from my chain drive bikes , after initial adjustment on a new chain after say 3000 km if needed... i would do another at 15000km . Quality chain helps for sure but maintenance is needed
 cleaning and lube helps for long chain/sprocket life  its a bit of a pain compared to a shaft drive forsure,  but it for me would not be a deal breaker when looking at a bike i had interest in.
I would bet that belt drive would have some advantages as well.
   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on November 18, 2017, 10:05:15 AM
Well I understand the shaft drive system is a pig comparing to the chain system.


I beg to differ.
Tell that to Dr. John and Guareschi. And Ed Milich regularly thrashes chain drive bikes in his class.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/fRKn8R/8_D52_FF34_F740_404_E_8184_626_AFBE197_E6.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fRKn8R)


(http://thumb.ibb.co/d6yx8R/06_A624_BF_6160_4978_AA8_A_58_FE2_D05_E1_E0.jpg) (http://ibb.co/d6yx8R)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on November 18, 2017, 11:39:26 AM
I beg to differ.
Tell that to Dr. John and Guareschi.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/fRKn8R/8_D52_FF34_F740_404_E_8184_626_AFBE197_E6.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fRKn8R)


(http://thumb.ibb.co/d6yx8R/06_A624_BF_6160_4978_AA8_A_58_FE2_D05_E1_E0.jpg) (http://ibb.co/d6yx8R)



well tell that to Ducati , Kawasaki, Suzuki, and all others that use chain drive on high performance current and winning motorcycles, racing and other wise.
Fact is chain drive wins when it comes to HP  loss to the back wheel and the ability to alter gearing easier ..
Dr. John and Guareschi had to deal with what was available from Guzzi at the time which was Shaft drive and kudos to them .
I have nothing against Shaft drive motorcycles , in fact its probably the way to go for bikes intended for ease of maintenance and touring duties in which Guzzi , BMW, and others have adopted .
my 2 cents
Cheers
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pikipiki on November 18, 2017, 12:52:14 PM
No sign or mention of v85 on the Guzzi stand at Motorcycle Live NEC Birmingham? Carbon/Rough/Milano were there along with a Stone, a Special, V9 Bobber, MGX-21 (don't touch this bike sign) and one other 1400 you could touch/sit on. No Roamer, no V85. It was possible to enter a free prize draw for �500 discount off Guzzi Merchandise, whatever that means, I didn't bother. Not a lot to get excited about else where either. Some very sensible new kawasakis like the Versys X 300. Cafe Racer version of  Suzuki 650 V twin. Fabric caballero looks good in either 250 or 500 (450) form if the price turns out to be low enough. I was most impressed by the Energica Eva esse esse 9. E bike (Shame about the price though)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on November 18, 2017, 02:17:27 PM
I'll bet your 850 LeMans doesn't come in well under 500 lbs.  :smiley:

Quote
I don't think so. "The Book" sez the Monza weighs 160kg dry. That translates to 352.7 lbs. Mine is bone stock and weighs 378.6.
snip

Chuck, how much can you afford to loose?
Just weighed mine using the trusty bathroom scale trick. FYI the scale is within 2 lbs at 200 lbs compared to ones at the gym.
Front wheel 196 lbs, rear wheel 214, empty tank not on the bike 15 lbs. , garden tractor battery not in the bike 17 lbs. total minus gas 442 lbs. with 5 gal gas @ 6 lbs / gal 472.
If the V85 comes in at 472 wet I would be more than happy.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 18, 2017, 08:28:36 PM
Pete, I can't argue.. except for me it's hard to imagine the Monza weighing more on a certified scale than a 850 big block. The Lario was pushing 500 lbs pretty hard. The one that surprised me was the Scura at a little over 500. I've always figured all big block Guzzis weigh 550.  :smiley:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Viker on November 20, 2017, 08:17:42 PM
I kinda like it. Give or take that beaky mudguard.

On paper it seems to be what I was looking for when I chose my Stelvio. It's closer to the weight and capacity I was looking for, presumably with the Stelvio character I couldn't walk away from.

Assuming the ergonomics and the test ride pass muster, then I would almost certainly have chosen this bike over the Stelvio and every other bike available.

Now that I already have a Stelvio, and I'm exceedingly happy with it, I hope the V85 Avventura sells like hot cakes, but I'm not shopping.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redrider90 on November 23, 2017, 11:56:16 AM
From Rider online this concept Guzzi with a claimed HP at 80 HP.
http://ridermagazine.com/2017/11/13/moto-guzzi-releases-images-of-upcoming-adventure-bike-teases-new-v7-iii-models/
(http://image.ibb.co/hL2O56/Moto_Guzzi_Concept_V85_1.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 23, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
Haven't posted in a while I see. [emoji6]
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on November 23, 2017, 06:32:24 PM
I’ll take two :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lannis on November 23, 2017, 06:52:57 PM
It's actually worse than that....all CARC bikes have been cut from the lineup.  No Stelvio, Norge, or Griso in 2017 or later.  Any on the floor now are left over NOS that dealers are stuck with.

You know, this sort of sounds bad, but then I realized ...

I've owned 33 different bikes since 1970, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has been discontinued, sometimes before I owned one, sometimes while I owned one, and sometimes after I owned one.

The bike model that I ride most often after my Guzzi and Triumph is a BSA.   The model I own was discontinued 50 years ago, and the whole company went TU in the most spectacular way 45 years ago ... and the motorcycle world keeps wagging along.    Ride the old ones, ride some different kind of new one, and the past is behind us ....

So if the CARC bikes have gone the way of the Roundheads and Loopframes, well, all right then ....

Lannis
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 23, 2017, 08:57:18 PM
I beg to differ.
Tell that to Dr. John and Guareschi. And Ed Milich regularly thrashes chain drive bikes in his class.

] (http://ibb.co/fRKn8R)


(http://thumb.ibb.co/d6yx8R/06_A624_BF_6160_4978_AA8_A_58_FE2_D05_E1_E0.jpg) (http://ibb.co/d6yx8R)



still racin'

http://www.piaggiogroup.com/en/archive/press/moto-guzzi-triumphs-guareschi-brothers-imola-4-hour-vintage-endurance-race
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on November 24, 2017, 06:36:33 PM

still racin'

http://www.piaggiogroup.com/en/archive/press/moto-guzzi-triumphs-guareschi-brothers-imola-4-hour-vintage-endurance-race


 :thumb:   in this class you betcha ....gotta love vintage racing ...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 25, 2017, 06:12:18 AM
Pretty damn impressive.
I've never managed that far between adjustments, but good for you.

I always laugh when Guzzi owners complain about chain maintenance but claim adjusting valves every six thousand miles is a great thing because it connects them to the machine.  X-ring chains last a long time and require minimal maintenance.  I adjusted the oem chain on my Vstrom 1000 3 Times.  Once at 500 miles, once at 10k and again at 20k.  I changed it at 25k.  I hammered that bike and rode two up all the Time.  I checked the valves once at 15,000 and they didn�t need adjusting.  My California 1400 will need the valves checked 4 Times in 25,000 miles and the final drive and transmission oil will have to be changed.  It�s all relative.  I�m happy to have a Guzzi again but I definitely didn�t buy it because it�s low maintenance...becau se it�s not.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 25, 2017, 06:20:55 AM
Yes, Guzzis need frequent valve adjustments, but, its what, a 30 min. job that most home mechanics can do?

It takes way longer than that to remove all the body work, air box, and various plumbing to even see the top of the cylinder head of a typical inline four Japanese bike.    Total time to do valve clearance on a typical sport bike is what, 4-5 hours, plus, if you don't have the shims on hand you have to order them and wait for them to arrive, all the while, the bike sits there, apart, not able to be ridden.

The same applies to a V-strom, though, I haven't worked on one of them to know how long it takes to do the job, but, I'd venture to say, at least 2 hours.   So, a 2 hour job every 24k miles vs. a 30 min. job every 6k miles?   Sounds like a wash to me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: wavedog on November 25, 2017, 07:31:08 AM
Adjusting the valves on a V-Strom is not a big deal once you get to them. There is the rub. The first time I did it, it took me ten full hours to remove all the bodywork, adjust the valves, new airfilter, new fuel filter and put it all back together. That was with a friend guiding me who is a Suzuki mechanic. Yes I am slow, but that was a lot of work. The Jackal is a cake walk in comparison.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Aaron D. on November 25, 2017, 07:34:48 AM
I've owned mostly Guzzis in my life. Yes valves are frequently adjusted (probably over-done by most members here too) but I've done the other end-infrequent intervals but cams out. Sort of balances.

What doesn't-clutches, I've done 5, maybe more. Pretty much takes up a day, or a weekend depending on mood-compared to under 2 ours on a Morini or even a Laverda or, I imagine, any number of transverse crank bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 25, 2017, 08:02:44 AM
DL1000�s are VTwins with gear driven cams.  It takes an hour to check them.  Another hour or hour and a half to adjust.  They never move after the first check at 15k.  Many, many of them have over 100k with only one adjustment needed.  There�s a guy with 500k on one and he�s never been inside the engine. 

It�s very common to get 30k from an x ring chain.  Over the long haul its much cheaper to run a chain drive, shim under bucket bike than a shaft drive Guzzi.  Even more so if you pay to have the bike serviced.  I was quoted $700 to have the 12k service done on my California.  In the 25k I rode my Vstrom, I didn�t spend that much for two sets of tires, chain, sprockets and the valve check.  In fact, I probably didn�t spend that much even including the 5 oil changes. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on November 25, 2017, 08:04:14 AM
Yes, Guzzis need frequent valve adjustments, but, its what, a 30 min. job that most home mechanics can do?.

 :1: :1: :1:
The last shim/bucket adjustment I did on a bike, I swore it would be my last.  MGs are stone cold simple and I personally would take that adjustment every 6k miles or so rather than ever doing it period on most other bikes. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 25, 2017, 09:26:18 AM
I generally check my lash every year, and I don't usually get to 6K miles before the season ends.  That being said, I don't think I need to, they don't seem to change much at all.  I have 07 1100 and I'm sure it would be fine just checking every 10k or so.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on November 25, 2017, 10:25:21 AM
I always laugh when Guzzi owners complain about chain maintenance but claim adjusting valves every six thousand miles is a great thing because it connects them to the machine.  X-ring chains last a long time and require minimal maintenance.  I adjusted the oem chain on my Vstrom 1000 3 Times.  Once at 500 miles, once at 10k and again at 20k.  I changed it at 25k.  I hammered that bike and rode two up all the Time.  I checked the valves once at 15,000 and they didn�t need adjusting.  My California 1400 will need the valves checked 4 Times in 25,000 miles and the final drive and transmission oil will have to be changed.  It�s all relative.  I�m happy to have a Guzzi again but I definitely didn�t buy it because it�s low maintenance...becau se it�s not.

 :1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Pootle on November 26, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
I’ve just shown my twenty eight year old daughter a photo of the V85. She likes the look of my V7ll. As for the V85 she thinks it looks like a transformer or something that a 15 year old would ride on the school playing field.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 26, 2017, 05:31:46 PM
The cost matters very little to me, not that you asked.
The Guzzis I have are the most satisfying and fun to ride bikes I've ever been on either owned, demo'd, or borrowed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on November 26, 2017, 06:00:10 PM
I always laugh when Guzzi owners complain about chain maintenance but claim adjusting valves every six thousand miles is a great thing because it connects them to the machine.  X-ring chains last a long time and require minimal maintenance.  I adjusted the oem chain on my Vstrom 1000 3 Times.  Once at 500 miles, once at 10k and again at 20k.  I changed it at 25k.  I hammered that bike and rode two up all the Time.  I checked the valves once at 15,000 and they didn�t need adjusting.  My California 1400 will need the valves checked 4 Times in 25,000 miles and the final drive and transmission oil will have to be changed.  It�s all relative.  I�m happy to have a Guzzi again but I definitely didn�t buy it because it�s low maintenance...becau se it�s not.


Not sure why the 1400s are so different from the V11s. I checked the valves on my '98 EV at 500, 2500, and 5000 miles and they were within .001. After that I just checked them every couple of years. They rarely changed averaging 10k miles a year. Given the screw adjusters its a 15 minute job anyway.
Shims and buckets are a PITA by comparison.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on January 09, 2018, 04:48:06 PM
...and YES...I too, would love to own this new Moto Guzzi V85!  80HP and red frame!  Lovely!! :thumb: :1: :cool:


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on January 09, 2018, 05:12:39 PM
Well, I look at how it comes apart and goes back together. It looks crabable.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on January 09, 2018, 07:40:27 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: M0T0Geezer on January 21, 2018, 07:12:58 PM
Moto Guzzi USA website is all abuzz over their new "V85" offering:

http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/ (http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/)

Lots of Pomp & Circumstance and very short on fyi.  No price, no specs...

(http://www.dansher.com/bikepix/Guzzi/850cc_80hp.jpg)

Yet the final paragraph does give us this tantalizing tidbit:

"The engine is a two-cylinder 90° transverse air-cooled 850cc which, thanks to its complete redesign, has 80 HP of maximum power. A truly rewarding performance is assured on every route as well as guaranteeing to the V85 all the character and responsive acceleration Moto Guzzi is famed for."

Give me that 80hp 850cc motor in a 3/4 size Norge, or Sport 850, or Breva 850 and you'll pry open my cold, dead pocketbook.

'Geezer
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on January 21, 2018, 07:15:10 PM
Portland dealer says he’s going to the factory next mont to check it out. :huh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 21, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
MotoG ha ha what rock have you been living under since EICMA (what was that November?!?).

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on January 21, 2018, 08:17:27 PM
I have on order the first five to come into the states——— in may 😢
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 21, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
thanks to its complete redesign, wanna bet?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 21, 2018, 08:53:47 PM
Jeez there's gunna be a lot of humble pie being gutsed, if they finally surface.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on January 21, 2018, 09:05:50 PM
must run some serious RPMs to get that power.  8k?  8.5?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on January 21, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
80 HP ??

Thank you for the laugh....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 21, 2018, 09:49:18 PM
80 HP ??

Thank you for the laugh....
Arveno,  THANKYOU! for the extra laugh..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on January 21, 2018, 09:57:21 PM
must run some serious RPMs to get that power.  8k?  8.5?

Since when ist that high? In 2018? From an engine engineered by Aprilia?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 22, 2018, 11:26:14 AM
I swear to gawd sometimes I think half of you would piss on the second coming...

"WTF isn't Jesus wearing any shoes?"

 :shocked: :evil: :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on January 22, 2018, 11:34:33 AM
Maybe its rev limiter failed during the dyno run, and she spun up to 14000 rpm or so.  :grin:

Actually, for a middleweight Adventure Tourer, not a bad looking ride.

Bob
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on January 22, 2018, 11:43:16 AM
Horsepower is perhaps the most over-hyped, overstated, and overrated measurement of a powerplant's capabilities...like penis size or IQ, what you can actually do with it is much more important...no one NEEDS an 80HP ADV bike...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gliderjohn on January 22, 2018, 12:48:12 PM
My mildly modified T-3 puts out a measured 56.5 hp at the wheel, my Norge 8V probably around 80-85. In everyday riding there really isn't any practical difference. The T-3 will accelerate two up with luggage better than many cars and can still be exciting when ridden hard. The Norge just does it faster yet.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on January 22, 2018, 01:30:32 PM
Portland dealer says he�s going to the factory next mont to check it out. :huh:

So do we know that this model is coming to the states?!?  (I like it as well...) :thumb: :cool: :1: 

I am also with Geezer on this one!! :thumb: :1: :cool: :smiley:

QUOTEGive me that 80hp 850cc motor in a 3/4 size Norge, or Sport 850, or Breva 850 and you'll pry open my cold, dead pocketbook. - - 'Geezer
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on January 22, 2018, 02:45:23 PM
I could buy 80 hp at the crank, probably about 60 at the wheel.  Will probably buy one in any event.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on January 22, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
60HP vs 80HP aside, you have to admit, this is one nice looking Guzzi!! :1: :thumb: :cool:


(http://thumb.ibb.co/noSE8b/Screen_Shot_2018_01_22_at_2_06_14_PM.png) (http://ibb.co/noSE8b)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 22, 2018, 03:21:27 PM
60HP vs 80HP aside, you have to admit, this is one nice looking Guzzi!! :1: :thumb: :cool:


(http://thumb.ibb.co/noSE8b/Screen_Shot_2018_01_22_at_2_06_14_PM.png) (http://ibb.co/noSE8b)

no I don't have to admit it.. looks like a hodge-podge of lines and colors, too busy.. the red looks out of place or paint the white and yellow areas red instead.
is that pic just photoshop?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on January 22, 2018, 03:24:58 PM
Since when ist that high? In 2018? From an engine engineered by Aprilia?

I think the issue is pushrods, does it have 'em?  I didn't see a cam bulge in those valve covers. 

It still looks like Guzzi engine, I don't see an Aprilia with a motor like that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on January 22, 2018, 03:41:26 PM
no I don't have to admit it.. looks like a hodge-podge of lines and colors, too busy.. the red looks out of place or paint the white and yellow areas red instead.
is that pic just photoshop?

Hi footguzzi...don't know if that photo is or was photo-shopped (??) 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder for sure... :wink:  and especially when it comes to cars / motorcycles! :cool:

Old Japanese proverb:  "A garden with all the same color flowers would be boring..."  :smiley:

I always like this Guzzi classic...but many people did not... :thumb: :1: :cool:


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: acguzzi on January 22, 2018, 04:02:40 PM
I believe the manual for my 79 lemans is 80 Hp, has nothing changed? are they being more realistic? It measures at mid 60s at the rear wheel for what that is worth, and that is with a better cam and carbs.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on January 22, 2018, 04:40:43 PM
So do we know that this model is coming to the states?!?  (I like it as well...) :thumb: :cool: :1: 

I am also with Geezer on this one!! :thumb: :1: :cool: :smiley:

QUOTEGive me that 80hp 850cc motor in a 3/4 size Norge, or Sport 850, or Breva 850 and you'll pry open my cold, dead pocketbook. - - 'Geezer

He said possible delivery starting in May.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gliderjohn on January 22, 2018, 04:50:17 PM
From fotoguzzi:
Quote
no I don't have to admit it.. looks like a hodge-podge of lines and colors, too busy.. the red looks out of place or paint the white and yellow areas red instead.

Just get one of those super high graphics helmets and the bike will look much better. :cool:
GliderJohn
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on January 22, 2018, 04:57:52 PM
From fotoguzzi:
Just get one of those super high graphics helmets and the bike will look much better. :cool:
GliderJohn

Yes...like maybe one of THESE!!! :shocked: :shocked: :huh: :huh: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :laugh: :grin: :wink:


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on January 22, 2018, 07:35:38 PM
I'm sure this guy would ride it....no helmet
I bet one shows up at Concorso d'Eleganza Villa d'Este    http://concorsodeleganzavilladeste.com/event/2018

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jim Rich on January 22, 2018, 08:26:58 PM
HP given by manufacturers is always crank HP.  Subtract 10 - 15% for rear wheel number.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on January 22, 2018, 08:31:26 PM
HP given by manufacturers is always crank HP.  Subtract 10 - 15% for rear wheel number.

Guzzi Horsepower = Dog Year Horsepower
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: dxhall on January 22, 2018, 08:42:33 PM
May of 2018?  I thought production was a year or two away.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on January 22, 2018, 08:52:12 PM
May of 2018?  I thought production was a year or two away.

I’ll find out more when my dealer gets back from Mandello end of February.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on January 23, 2018, 05:03:56 AM
Those scoffing at an 850cc listed at 80hp must have forgotten the Griso puts out 110hp and 80ft/lbs.  The 850 is 30% smaller than 1200 and 30% of 110hp is 77hp.  Power numbers aren't really scalable based on displacement but 80hp is definitely within the realm of possibility.  If there's anything to be suspicious of it is the wet weight figures being thrown around.  I can't see how it can weigh less than 500lbs yet I've repeatedly seen 460-470lbs listed.  A V9 weighs 460.  The tires alone on the V85 weigh 20lbs more than ones on the V9.  Knobbies are HEAVY.  Not to mention the wheels, beefier suspension, strengthened subframe, headlight mount and dual lights, etc. 

I happen to be pretty excited about the V85 and I even like the Ronald McDonald paint scheme.  As with anything Guzzi related, a degree of skepticism is prudent but I'm cautiously optimistic they'll produce an exceptional middleweight adv/touring bike using this platform.  If it has 70hp and 60-65ft/lbs at the wheel and comes in under 500lbs it will tick some of the right boxes for me.  My main concern is the wet weight and what appears to be an insufficient subframe to stand up to the rigors of ADV touring.           
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on January 23, 2018, 05:37:56 AM
HP given by manufacturers is always crank HP.  Subtract 10 - 15% for rear wheel number.

 Hmm, usually    The Ducati shop manual for my 96 900 Monster, 73 HP at the "wheel"....Is that flywheel or rear wheel? Given the performance of the bike and it's weight,, 80-82 advertised HP would seem accurate...If Ducati can get 80 HP from two valve OHC air cooled engine then 80 HP for the Guzzi seems accurate...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 23, 2018, 06:02:44 AM
HP given by manufacturers is always crank HP.  Subtract 10 - 15% for rear wheel number.
Though true, and Ducati recently got themselves in trouble with the EU regulating bodies and had to basically re-rate and revise the output on their whole line subtracting a couple of hp from everything in their official specifications, something funny is going on with Guzzi.

Since the introduction of the hemi head smallblock the few dyno reports we've gotten are suggesting fewer ponies are going missing between said crank and the rear wheel.

Either way it's hard enough to try and compare manufacturers claims with each other, but it's definitely useless to try and compare those claims or rwhp today with the sometimes completely fictional claims they made decades ago.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on January 23, 2018, 06:07:19 AM
Hmm, usually    The Ducati shop manual for my 96 900 Monster, 73 HP at the "wheel"....Is that flywheel or rear wheel? Given the performance of the bike and it's weight,, 80-82 advertised HP would seem accurate...If Ducati can get 80 HP from two valve OHC air cooled engine then 80 HP for the Guzzi seems accurate...

Thise numbers are right Rough. 73-75 HP at the rear wheel is what two friends got on their early 900 Superports. With exhaust and air cleaner mods my brother got 78 at the rear wheel. Another friend with more extensive mods including cams got 82. This with a two valve engine.
Does anyone know if the new Guzzi engine will be 2 or 4 valves per cylinder? If 4 I would think 80 at the crank would be a conservative number.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 23, 2018, 06:14:43 AM
Hmm, usually    The Ducati shop manual for my 96 900 Monster, 73 HP at the "wheel"....Is that flywheel or rear wheel? Given the performance of the bike and it's weight,, 80-82 advertised HP would seem accurate...If Ducati can get 80 HP from two valve OHC air cooled engine then 80 HP for the Guzzi seems accurate...
I'm sure the Guzzi press material claiming 80ish is talking crank.

And IIRC our 696 was rated close to 80 (crank, and probably revised down a few, see my previous post). I think it measures somewhere around 69 rwhp on magazine dynos.

And yeah it's a 2V, air-cooled bike that see redline maybe 1k higher than the smallblock. Now it does tend to spin about 1k higher than the smallblock in practical use, though you don't even notice it as it doesn't feel bothered by it in the least.

Now Low or someone mentioned pushrods and the valve covers. Remember the new 850 hemi head is making #'s in the mid 50's by crank rating, but might be actually higher because it's rwhp results seem to be low 50's (not losing enough seemingly).

And Pete has mentioned it looks like they left room for 4V modification to those new heads.

And the Guzzi press guys admitted the show bike has the current smallblock lump BUT THE PRODUCTION ONE will make that additional claimed power.

So it seems to me the plan is to take the current 2V 55+ crank HP (maybe underrated and really closer to 60) lump, give it a new 4V valve train, and attempt to get 80 crank HP (and seriously with Italian math that means anything above mid-70's).

That doesn't seem to be a stretch at all.

I mean other than the usual "yeah baby, it's a foot long, well an Italian foot."



Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on January 23, 2018, 08:09:06 AM
You really can't compare two different dynos with any degree of accuracy but I will say that either Guzzi rates their hp very conservatively at the crank, or my 1200 Sport was a particularly healthy example.  I did multiple dyno runs and the rwhp was less than 10% lower than the Guzzi rated 95hp at the crank.  It was 86-88hp across three pulls.  After the PCV, O2 Optimizer, Mistral exhaust and opening the airbox lid the rwhp was 95 and the torque was over 80ft/lbs.  I honestly think they can get 80hp at the crank on the V85 without much problem.       
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 23, 2018, 08:40:22 AM
You really can't compare two different dynos with any degree of accuracy but I will say that either Guzzi rates their hp very conservatively at the crank, or my 1200 Sport was a particularly healthy example. I did multiple dyno runs and the rwhp was less than 10% lower than the Guzzi rated 95hp at the crank.  It was 86-88hp across three pulls. 

I don't disagree with your conclusion about the V85.

On the rest, I think there are always going to be hero dynos out there. But when you see multiple sources showing similar numbers (magazines and individuals with stock bikes) then I think you can get a feel for "accuracy" I mean, reasonably enough. No RCH's need apply.

That said, MCN had the B11 at 70 hp, 1200 Sport at 72 hp, Norge 1200 the year before at 71.2, and the Griso 1100 at 74 and those sound pretty consistent with other sources I've seen over the years.

FBF got 75 on my B11 - maybe a slight hero reading? But certainly in the ball park.

Were your dyno pulls all on the same machine or different dynos?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on January 23, 2018, 08:49:32 AM
 You do need to know what type of dyno it is....Likely 95 percent of bikes are run on Dynojet machines that are an inertia dynamometer. These are known to be optimistic, about 10 percent, compared to the eddy current or water brakes used almost exclusively by manufacturers. I run my vintage race junk on a Superflow eddy current machine...It also has inertia function that reads higher than the eddy current...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on January 23, 2018, 09:15:53 AM
Just another Guzzi data point...95HP is plenty enough for me!! :thumb: :1: :cool:


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on January 23, 2018, 12:01:11 PM
I'm sure the Guzzi press material claiming 80ish is talking *crack*




Adjusted it for you  :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 23, 2018, 12:19:34 PM


Adjusted it for you  :laugh:

LOL, I understand the desire to feel that way as knee jerk. But I think we laid out a believable argument.

Can you counter it with data?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: M0T0Geezer on January 23, 2018, 03:17:45 PM
Not being into off-road,  Adventure, or Bobber style bikes, I had hoped to see some affirmation of my preference for "street" and "sport touring" Guzzi 850s.   

Ten years ago those lucky European riders got these three Gorgeous 850 Guzzis while us Yanks never had a chance at them. 

Did y'all Aussies ever have them down under?

850 BREVA
(http://www.dansher.com/bikepix/Guzzi/2007_Breva_850.jpg)

850 NORGE:
(http://www.dansher.com/bikepix/Guzzi/2009_Norge_850.jpg)

850 GRISO
(http://www.dansher.com/bikepix/Guzzi/2007_Griso_850.jpg)

Who here is interested in "80 hp" in a street 850?

'Geezer
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 23, 2018, 03:27:14 PM
Not being into off-road,  Adventure, or Bobber style bikes, I had hoped to see some affirmation of my preference for "street" and "sport touring" Guzzi 850s.   

Ten years ago those lucky European riders got these three Gorgeous 850 Guzzis while us Yanks never had a chance at them. 

Did y'all Aussies ever have them down under?

850 BREVA
(http://www.dansher.com/bikepix/Guzzi/2007_Breva_850.jpg)

850 NORGE:
(http://www.dansher.com/bikepix/Guzzi/2009_Norge_850.jpg)

850 GRISO
(http://www.dansher.com/bikepix/Guzzi/2007_Griso_850.jpg)

Who here is interested in "80 hp" in a street 850?

'Geezer
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they the equivalent of the R850R vs the R1100R.

Same block, chassis, and overall weight/size.

As such they literally offered NOTHING to a US buyer the other than less power.

There's no tiered licensing.

There's likely little or no insurance difference.

The weights were basically the same.

I don't even think they were more efficient.


If you're gonna have a "smaller, less powerful bike" then at least make it lighter and more efficient too.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 23, 2018, 05:29:01 PM
That red Norge is pretty, and the Griso looks better with that stinking toaster thing off the side.
A nice set of pipes and you wouldn't embarrass the Griso if you parked your Norge beside it.
There was a red 850 Griso at the Broadford do, and it was almost something you'd consider.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on January 23, 2018, 05:33:30 PM
LOL, I understand the desire to feel that way as knee jerk. But I think we laid out a believable argument.

Can you counter it with data?


No no i do not have any data  ,  i was just trying not to be too serious ... i have never really cared about HP , If i like a motorcycle i buy it regardless.

The "feel" of a motorcycle  , they way it rides , it is more important that a spec sheet .

Hey i still ride a R100GS which "claims" 60 HP .and i love it . ( and a  Ambo , and a shovel etc )

The new Guzzi looks good to me and i would love to see it at the dealer, but i doubt it will happen any time soon.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 23, 2018, 05:39:20 PM



No no i do not have any data  ,  i was just trying not to be too serious ... i have never really cared about HP , If i like a motorcycle i buy it regardless.

The "feel" of a motorcycle  , they way it rides , it is more important that a spec sheet .

Hey i still ride a R100GS which "claims" 60 HP .and i love it . ( and a  Ambo , and a shovel etc )

The new Guzzi looks good to me and i would love to see it at the dealer, but i doubt it will happen any time soon.

Oh sorry, then I can laugh along.

But I'll say this, I can't remember any time Dogwalker led us astray so I'm pretty darn optimistic something like this will see the light of day.

Hey, there's no harm in believing.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: wyrtyr2 on January 23, 2018, 05:45:37 PM
Dang,  I would love to this motor in a sporty rendition.  Wallet ready.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on January 23, 2018, 06:15:25 PM
I’ll find out more when my dealer gets back from Mandello end of February.


Rocco is back in Como for the next few weeks....I told him to ask at Agostini's or try to call the factory lol
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on January 23, 2018, 06:47:32 PM
no I don't have to admit it.. looks like a hodge-podge of lines and colors, too busy.. the red looks out of place or paint the white and yellow areas red instead.
is that pic just photoshop?
Foto,

It's a race replica paint scheme.  Guzzi's tribute to a desert racer


(http://thumb.ibb.co/j3T7ww/tori85actu.jpg) (http://ibb.co/j3T7ww)


http://www.parisdakar.it/en/moto-guzzi-v65-tt-1985/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0



Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on January 23, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
Now, if they just put that V85 motor in a V7 styled bike  :drool:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on January 23, 2018, 07:05:54 PM
Now, if they just put that V85 motor in a V7 styled bike  :drool:
One of the press realeses I read said they are planning on a model range with that motor.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: IceBlue on January 24, 2018, 04:00:36 AM
May have been mentioned in the string, but the mill shown on the V85 is the V9 mill with different valve covers.

The final mill is still to be released and showen to the public, and the aim of Guzzi is a whole new line of bikes featuring this motor.
I'd bet my pension that this will be an 8V (4V/cyl) mill.
80Hp is very well witin reach - crank numbers though.

The 750 8V SB mill claimed 65hp in 1986.

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidsmoke on January 24, 2018, 06:48:55 AM
this is re-hashing data from 2 month old threads but I'll throw it in anyway. (anticipating thread merge when the sun rises in Oklahoma...)

(https://i.imgur.com/Lxmu7Oj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Xr6dpRA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Sh1VTFh.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on January 26, 2018, 05:42:04 AM
Hot off the presses!

My son has been been hanging around Como and Mandello for the last month with his exchange family
(He lived in Como as an exchange student a few years ago and is back visiting)
When in Mandello yesterday he asked about the V85 at the factory and was told they will begin distribution in August. Then he walked down the street to Agostini’s and Asked the same question. He was told they will have the V85 for sale in August or September at the latest.
We will see...it is encouraging news.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on January 26, 2018, 05:47:27 AM
Hot off the presses!

My son has been been hanging around Como and Mandello for the last month with his exchange family
(He lived in Como as an exchange student a few years ago and is back visiting)
When in Mandello yesterday he asked about the V85 at the factory and was told they will begin distribution in August. Then he walked down the street to Agostini�s and Asked the same question. He was told they will have the V85 for sale in August or September at the latest.
We will see...it is encouraging news.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 26, 2018, 06:40:54 AM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on January 26, 2018, 10:01:12 AM
Hot off the presses!

My son has been been hanging around Como and Mandello for the last month with his exchange family
(He lived in Como as an exchange student a few years ago and is back visiting)
When in Mandello yesterday he asked about the V85 at the factory and was told they will begin distribution in August. Then he walked down the street to Agostini�s and Asked the same question. He was told they will have the V85 for sale in August or September at the latest.
We will see...it is encouraging news.

Way to go Rocco!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 26, 2018, 11:09:39 AM
Hot off the presses!

My son has been been hanging around Como and Mandello for the last month with his exchange family
(He lived in Como as an exchange student a few years ago and is back visiting)
When in Mandello yesterday he asked about the V85 at the factory and was told they will begin distribution in August. Then he walked down the street to Agostini�s and Asked the same question. He was told they will have the V85 for sale in August or September at the latest.
We will see...it is encouraging news.

Hold up...

Wasn't the bike in the show a "concept"....???

I am REALLY curious on what stuff they improved and updated to valid the release
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on January 26, 2018, 11:27:20 AM
Hold up...

Wasn't the bike in the show a "concept"....???

I am REALLY curious on what stuff they improved and updated to valid the release

I believe DW sorta answered this back in Nov:

The bike is a concept cause it still has a standard V9 engine.
The definitive model will have the new engine.

DogW

I took it from that statement that the bike chassis was ready but they were still working on the (presumably 4V) motor and the finished bike wouldn't be ready for the show so they used the current V9 motor in the "Concept".

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on January 26, 2018, 11:57:32 AM
Maybe the new mill will have a cam chain instead of pushrods.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 26, 2018, 12:08:04 PM
I believe DW sorta answered this back in Nov:

I took it from that statement that the bike chassis was ready but they were still working on the (presumably 4V) motor and the finished bike wouldn't be ready for the show so they used the current V9 motor in the "Concept".

I guess if you interpret it that way, then it makes sense then.

From the photos, most of the chassis work and the rear drive system seem to be quite complete.

And if the new engine/gearbox/shaft configuration is anything similar to the V9, I guess it makes sense to use that in the show and shouldn't deviate too much...I suppose.

Well, if the distribution date is true, then I can't wait to strap my leg over it and see how it feels!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kristian on February 23, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
Now, I don't care for ADVs, never have, they're just not my thing at all. I have a road racer's heart and soul. Even rode a KTM 1190R recently, and no thank you. ADVs IMO are usually ugly as sin, with the Stelvio and the Honda Africa Twin being about the best-looking versions out there.

But, wow, is the new V85 a looker! It's a stunner not just for an ADV, but full-stop. Can't wait; it might be my first ADV.
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/ (http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/)

Moto Guzzi, we need a new Le Mans--a fresh-sheet design that weighs less than 520 Lbs. with a water-cooled 90 in the tradition, with 130 HP/rear wheel, but huge torque. Do that like you did the V85, please!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NewBoots on February 23, 2018, 10:30:41 AM
Very good looking bike.
Bucky :laugh: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antiquar on February 23, 2018, 10:57:47 AM
Looks nice. Needs some crash bars.

I wonder what's so "redesigned" about the engine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: cloudbase on February 23, 2018, 10:59:27 AM
JFC, even Guzzi is calling it a transverse engine.

Bloody hell.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joe A. on February 23, 2018, 11:32:36 AM
Any guesses on MSRP?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ritratto on February 23, 2018, 12:41:11 PM
But the paint scheme!?  :embarassed:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Calculon on February 23, 2018, 12:51:52 PM
Someone did post a white version over at ADV forum that I think looks better:

(https://s13.postimg.org/qqf3da3kz/V85_white.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/qqf3da3kz/)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sheepdog on February 23, 2018, 01:42:28 PM
Someone did post a white version over at ADV forum that I think looks better:

(https://s13.postimg.org/qqf3da3kz/V85_white.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/qqf3da3kz/)

It looks better with the side cases...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 23, 2018, 01:51:49 PM
It needs satin black frame, Red tank and panels and an un painted engine/transmission with polished valve covers.
Same colour accents as the Ducati Multisrada.
The silhouette itself is OK.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on February 23, 2018, 01:56:27 PM
I ordered the first boatload that will come to the u.s.a. ——-hopefully by 2020 😂
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 23, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
Is there someone out there who can do a photo shop of the V85 ?
It is over my head, I don't know how to do it.
If/when the V 85 gets here
,I'll have one but here's the thing. Can someone show me a V85 with un painted engine, polished valve covers, anthracite grey/black satin finish frame, red tank and body panels, no stripes, red/grey panniers.
Is that asking too much ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on February 23, 2018, 02:29:30 PM
Is there someone out there who can do a photo shop of the V85 ?
It is over my head, I don't know how to do it.
If/when the V 85 gets here
,I'll have one but here's the thing. Can someone show me a V85 with un painted engine, polished valve covers, anthracite grey/black satin finish frame, red tank and body panels, no stripes, red/grey panniers.
Is that asking too much ?

You want an espresso with that?   :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Scud on February 23, 2018, 02:43:24 PM
I like the bike in every color I have seen so far. And I'd probably like the photo-shop (plus espresso) version. I gave some serious thought to waiting for the V85. But then I bought my Husqvarna 701 Enduro. Dirt performance swayed me to the Husky.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzi Gal on February 23, 2018, 03:36:28 PM
It look a little like Chuck, the yellow Angry Bird. 


(http://thumb.ibb.co/gdvw3H/C6_C84_D6_A_32_F7_4_C77_A7_EA_9249312655_CC.png) (http://ibb.co/gdvw3H)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/fNd5xc/C3113293_A0_B7_4_D8_F_B06_E_0_D5522_EB768_D.png) (http://ibb.co/fNd5xc)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on February 23, 2018, 03:44:22 PM
So far all the photos have been of the 'concept bike', not the final product.  Note that the motive lump looks like a V9 lump.  That's a far cry from the claimed 80 hp.  I suspect the bike we see will be very close to the concept bike...close but not exactly like.  That's not to say that everyone will be happy!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: SmithSwede on February 23, 2018, 04:09:05 PM
Only a 15 liter fuel tank?   Can that possibly be right?

Am I the only living person in the Galaxy who cares about having a fairly large gas tank???   My little V7 has a 22 liter tank, and I wish it had maybe a gallon or two more capacity. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dharma Bum on February 23, 2018, 04:27:01 PM
Silly arguments about colors.
Make it a tribute to Guzzi's "agricultural roots. :grin:
(http://thumb.ibb.co/enNCSc/JD1.jpg) (http://ibb.co/enNCSc)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ITSec on February 23, 2018, 04:33:19 PM
Saves money when you fill up .

And loses time when you fill up again (and again!)...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on February 23, 2018, 04:50:34 PM
And loses time when you fill up again (and again!)...

Run out in the middle of nowhere because you had the audacity to take your adventure bike outside the city limits. As others have said not the new motor as promised that will make the hp claimed still has 1980's bmw suspension.

And if you bother to wait for the flash player to run through the potential names some one somewhere has managed to get Bluster past the marketing !@#$wits and onto the website as an option, Well played I say Well Played  :boozing: .
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on February 23, 2018, 06:53:53 PM
I liked it at first, but am over it now.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sheepdog on February 23, 2018, 07:06:29 PM
80hp at the crank will be about 65 at the rear wheel. That looks possible...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 23, 2018, 07:19:11 PM
You want an espresso with that?   :grin:
You do that favour for me and I'll give you more than an espresso! :kiss:
Thing is, what I asked for would result in less time in manufacturing or at least no more !
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on February 23, 2018, 07:39:17 PM
Not too sure about the red trellis frame ducktail. Agreed, it looks better with the panniers on.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on February 23, 2018, 09:24:04 PM
Quote
Am I the only living person in the Galaxy who cares about having a fairly large gas tank???   My little V7 has a 22 liter tank, and I wish it had maybe a gallon or two more capacity.     

The only time you have too much gas is when you're on fire.  :grin:  How much money do you want to save? Only fill it half way.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on February 23, 2018, 09:32:22 PM
here's a real ADV bike.. you can buy right now..

(https://photos.smugmug.com/DR-650/i-4t9K36f/0/8a89ce41/XL/IMG_2000%20%281%29-XL.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/DR-650/i-4t9K36f/A)

well over 300 mile range, and under 350# before loading it w/gear
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 23, 2018, 10:22:58 PM
80hp at the crank will be about 65 at the rear wheel. That looks possible...

How so?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sheepdog on February 23, 2018, 11:43:24 PM
My 790cc Triumph T100 does about 60-65hp according to the norm for what I’ve done to it (pipes/airbox/jetting...I haven’t dyno’d it). I can see Guzzi doing that with more cubes and fuel injection. The Triumph is really conservatively tuned. Just another 500 rpms before the limiter would kick up the power a bit. Good breathing and the right cam could do the rest...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 24, 2018, 01:45:37 AM
My 790cc Triumph T100 does about 60-65hp according to the norm for what I�ve done to it (pipes/airbox/jetting...I haven�t dyno�d it). I can see Guzzi doing that with more cubes and fuel injection. The Triumph is really conservatively tuned. Just another 500 rpms before the limiter would kick up the power a bit. Good breathing and the right cam could do the rest...

How can you see Guzzi 'Doing it'? Magic wand? Faery Dust? Sorry, unless we can see what this new 'Wonder Engine' consists of we'll know nothing.

We have no real idea of the engine's architecture, we have no information on the engine management system. All we have is some pictures of a mock-up for a show! Get a grip!

Look, I don't know either but I'm not willing to pull figures out of my arse by comparing them to other, cosmetically, similar engines.

As I've said before I think what will be offered will be an 8V, pushrod, version of the V9 motor. A 'Back to the future' 'Nuovo Lario' motor. I simply can't see that making the figures they are spruiking, either at the rear wheel or the crank.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on February 24, 2018, 06:02:43 AM
Only a 15 liter fuel tank?   Can that possibly be right?

Am I the only living person in the Galaxy who cares about having a fairly large gas tank???   My little V7 has a 22 liter tank, and I wish it had maybe a gallon or two more capacity.

Judging from the other post, there are at least 3 of us. As you're well aware, living where you do, fuel stops can be few and far between. I have had folks tell me they don't need more fuel because their bladder will need emptied before the tank is empty. Well, in the middle of nowhere, I figure I can stop and relieve myself if I really need to. Fuel OTOH, may be non-existent. I would rather have it and not need it than the other way around............. ..

Now, depending on how this all plays out, perhaps Guzzi will enlarge the fuel cell on the production bike, or someone will develop a hopper tank like Stucchi did, which I have on my Stelvio.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on February 24, 2018, 06:04:22 AM
It look a little like Chuck, the yellow Angry Bird. 


(http://thumb.ibb.co/gdvw3H/C6_C84_D6_A_32_F7_4_C77_A7_EA_9249312655_CC.png) (http://ibb.co/gdvw3H)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/fNd5xc/C3113293_A0_B7_4_D8_F_B06_E_0_D5522_EB768_D.png) (http://ibb.co/fNd5xc)


That was funny!

Thanks for an early morning laugh. :grin: :coffee:

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bobrebos on February 24, 2018, 07:01:05 AM
Paint scheme reminds me of a candy cane!   :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on February 24, 2018, 07:33:17 AM
It look a little like Chuck, the yellow Angry Bird. 


(http://thumb.ibb.co/gdvw3H/C6_C84_D6_A_32_F7_4_C77_A7_EA_9249312655_CC.png) (http://ibb.co/gdvw3H)

(http://thumb.ibb.co/fNd5xc/C3113293_A0_B7_4_D8_F_B06_E_0_D5522_EB768_D.png) (http://ibb.co/fNd5xc)


I gotta go look for a Chuck toy...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on February 24, 2018, 07:50:51 AM
 That's a good looking motor sickle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on February 24, 2018, 10:04:43 AM
I may be missing it and maybe because its a prototype but where does it say "Moto Guzzi" on it so that people will know what it is? If you want brand awareness, you should prominently show the name of the product somewhere on it. JMHO
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistajohn on February 24, 2018, 10:20:37 AM
It’s ok, rather have a tiger
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on February 24, 2018, 10:27:42 AM
I may be missing it and maybe because its a prototype but where does it say "Moto Guzzi" on it so that people will know what it is? If you want brand awareness, you should prominently show the name of the product somewhere on it. JMHO

Let's see... it says "Moto Guzzi" on the instruments, seat, sidecovers, rims and rocker covers. Probably a few more places I can't see in the photos.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on February 24, 2018, 12:32:29 PM
Let's see... it says "Moto Guzzi" on the instruments, seat, sidecovers, rims and rocker covers. Probably a few more places I can't see in the photos.

Sorry, i forgot to use my magnifying glass. Seriously, if someone pulls up beside a V85 at a stop light, will they know it's a Guzzi? They aren't going to read it on the instruments, won't see it on the seat because you'r on the seat, maybe... they'll see it on the valve covers?

Harley can get away with it because EVERYONE knows a Harley without it written anywhere on the bike, but a Moto Guzzi? It might help to get the word out if it said it prominently somewhere. Just trying to spread the word.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 24, 2018, 12:41:08 PM
Here is another one thinking 15L is way too small...

At least 18 or get that V7 21 L back on there!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 24, 2018, 12:54:36 PM
Here is another one thinking 15L is way too small...

At least 18 or get that V7 21 L back on there!
Yeah, that would have to change.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Green1000S on February 24, 2018, 01:08:19 PM
 15 litre tank means waaaay too many MSR bottles strapped on panniers....
Not good, but I do love the looks of V85.
I doubt I would sell my Green Hippo (aka Stelvio NTX), but V85 might be fun thing to have...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on February 24, 2018, 04:12:15 PM
Sorry, i forgot to use my magnifying glass. Seriously, if someone pulls up beside a V85 at a stop light, will they know it's a Guzzi? They aren't going to read it on the instruments, won't see it on the seat because you'r on the seat, maybe... they'll see it on the valve covers?

Harley can get away with it because EVERYONE knows a Harley without it written anywhere on the bike, but a Moto Guzzi? It might help to get the word out if it said it prominently somewhere. Just trying to spread the word.

And if "Moto Guzzi" was big and bold across the gas tank, someone would complain about that.  :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on February 24, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
You want an espresso with that?   :grin:



(http://thumb.ibb.co/bJ7HTH/rg.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bJ7HTH)



I tried
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on February 24, 2018, 04:42:54 PM
Making one now!

(http://thumb.ibb.co/fKVkhc/13_BD8770_D06_E_4274_B01_D_860_A78785_BC2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fKVkhc)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on February 24, 2018, 06:41:55 PM
Here is another one thinking 15L is way too small...

At least 18 or get that V7 21 L back on there!

On an adventure bike 18 litres is barely useful on a sports bike, 25 minium for something that is supposed to go remote places, unless they find some kind of ju ju and manage to get consumption down to something like 3 litres per 100 then 18 litres would be ok. That won't be happening with an air cooled motor though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 24, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
How can you see Guzzi 'Doing it'? Magic wand? Faery Dust? Sorry, unless we can see what this new 'Wonder Engine' consists of we'll know nothing.

We have no real idea of the engine's architecture, we have no information on the engine management system. All we have is some pictures of a mock-up for a show! Get a grip!

Look, I don't know either but I'm not willing to pull figures out of my arse by comparing them to other, cosmetically, similar engines.

As I've said before I think what will be offered will be an 8V, pushrod, version of the V9 motor. A 'Back to the future' 'Nuovo Lario' motor. I simply can't see that making the figures they are spruiking, either at the rear wheel or the crank.

Pete

I suspect skepticism in that post.

Mr Roper, I'll have you know we have some excellent Guzzi experts here.  I imagine we'll see some of our board members  take this new high power machine to Flat Tracks and perhaps the Dakar very soon.

Chip, chip cheerio
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 24, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
On an adventure bike 18 litres is barely useful on a sports bike, 25 minium for something that is supposed to go remote places, unless they find some kind of ju ju and manage to get consumption down to something like 3 litres per 100 then 18 litres would be ok. That won't be happening with an air cooled motor though.

Ya I agree with you

I am hoping whatever Guzzi magic they are pulling will be enough to compete with the current market..namely tiger 800 and F800GS
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redhawk47 on February 25, 2018, 09:48:05 PM


(http://thumb.ibb.co/bJ7HTH/rg.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bJ7HTH)



I tried

LOL
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redhawk47 on February 25, 2018, 09:57:06 PM
I would be happy to have the V85 with a V9 engine, or even a V7.
I did fine with a 16L tank on my F800GS, 21L makes it a bit more top heavy.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 26, 2018, 01:33:16 AM


(http://thumb.ibb.co/bJ7HTH/rg.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bJ7HTH)



I tried
I like the colour and the spoked rear wheel  :drool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Pootle on February 26, 2018, 02:57:38 AM


(http://thumb.ibb.co/bJ7HTH/rg.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bJ7HTH)



I tried
If that goes into production, put my name down for one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on February 26, 2018, 07:06:22 AM
Well, if you simply cannot wait for Guzzi's version, I have located an inexpensive alternative on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Angry-Birds-Plush-8-Inch-Yellow/dp/B004J7B2DO/ref=sr_1_42?ie=UTF8&qid=1519650230&sr=8-42&keywords=angry+bird+doll

$24.00 with free shipping.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 03, 2018, 06:42:41 PM
Haven't played Angry Birds in a while. Now you've motivated me to waste a couple of hours playing it again. Just had a Nor'easter so I have an excuse to sit inside.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Green1000S on March 03, 2018, 07:02:48 PM


(http://thumb.ibb.co/bJ7HTH/rg.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bJ7HTH)



I tried

Dang,,, knobbies and everything.
Cash burning a hole in my pocket, can I buy one???
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: RRider on March 04, 2018, 07:54:36 AM
It does look - "Classic enduro" as they say in the add.

It's looks more simplified, rugged and less plastic than the somewhat boring BMWs, Yamahas, Suzukis etc....and still capable enough.

I do hope they keep the weight under control in the final version.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 04, 2018, 08:23:21 AM
Well, if you simply cannot wait for Guzzi's version, I have located an inexpensive alternative on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Angry-Birds-Plush-8-Inch-Yellow/dp/B004J7B2DO/ref=sr_1_42?ie=UTF8&qid=1519650230&sr=8-42&keywords=angry+bird+doll

$24.00 with free shipping.

John Henry

Nice, but a little large to mount on the Mighty Scura's other turnsignal. <shrug>
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 04, 2018, 12:51:52 PM
Only a 15 liter fuel tank?   Can that possibly be right?

Am I the only living person in the Galaxy who cares about having a fairly large gas tank???   My little V7 has a 22 liter tank, and I wish it had maybe a gallon or two more capacity.
You're not the only one. 

If this new ADVbike has only 15 liters of fuel, I'll know Guzzi has jumped the shark.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 04, 2018, 02:03:21 PM
You can never have too much fuel on a ADV bike.  If that makes it too top heavy, don't fill it all the way.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on March 04, 2018, 02:18:10 PM
You can never have too much fuel on a ADV bike.  If that makes it too top heavy, don't fill it all the way.

 My thoughts exactly. My 1200Sport holds 6 gallons of gas. If i’m planning to have to move it around and work on it I try to keep the amount of gallons in the tank rather low. But it’s always nice having a 6 gallon supply of gas in the tank when you’re on the trip. Like you said you can always put a smaller amount in it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 04, 2018, 02:18:29 PM
15 liters is 4 US gallons, same volume as my v65 had.   Should have a range in the area of 200 miles,  pretty typical of motorcycles today.   I don't think this bike is aimed at the hard core end of the adventure market, thus a 200 mile range may not be an issue for 90% of intended market 
That said, why not wait and see what comes to market later this year?  Maybe they will squeeze 5-6 gallons in the end.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on March 05, 2018, 06:12:23 AM
Every Guzzi in the last decade has achieved great mileage.  a 200 mile range is realistic for a Guzzi with a 15L tank.  The ADV crowd use Rotopax containers on longer trips so the tank size really isn't an issue in my mind.  Everyone bitches about the tank size on every ADV bike but they're mostly Walter Mitty types who think they're going to ride a bazillion miles and never stop to take a leak or smoke a cigarette.  Most of the bigger ADV bikes struggle to get 40mpg.  The main exception is the DL650 that routinely gets nearly 60mpg.  If the Guzzi get's closer to 50mpg the tank range will be a moot point for about 98% of riders.  Like I said, the other 2% use a rotopax on longer trips anyway. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on March 05, 2018, 06:15:12 AM
Aw hell, Jenn can just about squeeze 200 miles out of her Duc with only a 3.5g tank.

Of course, I CAN'T.... but I'm much bigger and less disciplined.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on March 05, 2018, 07:39:49 AM
Aw hell, Jenn can just about squeeze 200 miles out of her Duc with only a 3.5g tank.

Of course, I CAN'T.... but I'm much bigger and less disciplined.

My R1200RS has a 5 gallon tank.  I barely get 200 miles out of it.  That'll probably improve as the weather warms up.     
It would also improve with discipline.    I got 50 MPG with it on one tank.      Average has been closer to 42  :evil:

My Duc is nearly the same as Jenn's, only slightly bigger engine.    170 miles is about max for me.  Again, probably discipline, and to a lessor extent than Kev, size.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: cloudbase on March 05, 2018, 08:18:54 AM
I'd kill to get a 200 mile range on the Quota.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 05, 2018, 08:47:55 AM
15 liters is 4 US gallons, same volume as my v65 had.   Should have a range in the area of 200 miles,  pretty typical of motorcycles today.   

My V7s returned 46-52 mpg.  That does not equal 200 miles out of 4-gallons.  You cannot trust running down to fumes when travelling west of The Mississippi River, unless you're keeping to interstates.  Even then, it can get dicey doing that in some places.

Every Guzzi in the last decade has achieved great mileage.  a 200 mile range is realistic for a Guzzi with a 15L tank.   

I'm trying to figure out if you're joking here, or not.  What is "great mileage"?  If that is 35-40 mpg, then I guess you're right.  California 1100s, V11 Sports and California 1400s, among other fuel injected Guzzis, struggle to return more than 40mpg when loaded and travelling at highway speeds.

No one really knows what this "new" 850 engine will do, but to safely go 200 miles on 15L, it will need to return a minimum of 55mpg.  That would be great, but I'm not holding my breath when they can't do that from a 750 that weighs less than 450 lbs.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on March 05, 2018, 09:09:41 AM
No one really knows what this "new" 850 engine will do, but to safely go 200 miles on 15L, it will need to return a minimum of 55mpg.  That would be great, but I'm not holding my breath when they can't do that from a 750 that weighs less than 450 lbs.

I can't say about YOUR old V7, but most of the ones around here are reporting that regularly.

I.E. it's rare I get below 50 mpg, and not uncommon for me to get closer to 55.

And reports I hear about the V7 III and V9 are that they are just as good.

But we'll see.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gutzi on March 05, 2018, 09:48:07 AM
Whatever the gas mileage, I think it’s a stunning bike and the color scheme is based on the Guzzi Dakar racers of old. I’m planning to swap my BMW 1200 GSA for one when it comes out 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on March 05, 2018, 09:59:42 AM
No.  I’m not joking.  An 800 Tiger low fuel light comes on at 160.  God help you if you have a heavy wrist on a Multistrada because you’ll be walking in as little as 140 miles.  My V-Strom 1000 would barely go 200 if I was hammering on it and they have a 6 gallon tank.  Most ADV bikes are similar.  If you’re going to run 250+ miles all the time withought stopping buy a Rotopax for $50. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PICKLEKOOKEN on March 05, 2018, 10:05:37 AM
 :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu I don't know where everybody lives on this site, but when your going across Kanas Nebraska eastern Colorado you need a big tank I could hardly get out of Colorado on the 6 gallon tank of the Norgy at highway speeds. The trick is to get across the Great American Desert east as fast as possible ( with out a ticket).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 05, 2018, 10:22:01 AM
I can't say about YOUR old V7, but most of the ones around here are reporting that regularly.

I.E. it's rare I get below 50 mpg, and not uncommon for me to get closer to 55.

And reports I hear about the V7 III and V9 are that they are just as good.

But we'll see.

I had both a 2010 and a 2015 V7.  They both got about the same mileage.  The 2015 may have regularly returned a couple mpg better than the 2010.

If riding the 2015 55-65 and taking it easy on 2-lane backroads, it would return the 52 mpg.  On 70-75 mph roads, and with the Hepco Becker luggage and my heft, it would be more like 46-48 mpg.  Its big tank was nice, as I usually stopped for gas around 225 miles, with plenty to spare.  Very nice range with the 5.5 gallon tank on the 2015 V7!!!

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 05, 2018, 10:24:28 AM
   If you�re going to run 250+ miles all the time withought stopping buy a Rotopax for $50.

Using a Rotopax means you have to stop!   :wink:

I have a 1gal Rotopax that I carry with me when sport-touring in the west.  Fits in the bottom of my tailbag.  Haven't had to use it, but nice knowing it's there.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on March 05, 2018, 10:57:06 AM
I had both a 2010 and a 2015 V7.  They both got about the same mileage.  The 2015 may have regularly returned a couple mpg better than the 2010.

Yeah, I know, but look at your own statement.

And I'm just noting that I NEVER get 50+ mpg on anything... even Jenn's Duc where she regularly gets mid-to-high 50's, but somehow I pretty much always do on the V7 (barring very cold temps).

And I just seems like I've heard more reports of that on the 1TB models than earlier ones, so I think there's something there...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: voncrump on March 05, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
This mock up of the V85 was floating around a few months ago. I would buy this.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/mpmZOS/image.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mpmZOS)


Although it seems to be a reversed image it looks gooood. Even with the standard V9 engine, I'm in.
Cheers, voncrump
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 05, 2018, 07:59:20 PM
Yep.
Ditch the sump guard, polished alloy rims, silver finish on forks, nicer pipe ( Beetled to suit), Anthracite grey frame (like the Ducati Multistrada) and it's..
Shut up and take my money!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on March 05, 2018, 08:28:22 PM
And I'm just noting that I NEVER get 50+ mpg on anything... even Jenn's Duc where she regularly gets mid-to-high 50's, but somehow I pretty much always do on the V7 (barring very cold temps).

And I just seems like I've heard more reports of that on the 1TB models than earlier ones, so I think there's something there...

My 2TB (2009 V7C) got 44-46 MPG commuting in moderate temps (15 miles), and 46-48 MPG on longer rides.
My 1TB V7's (2013 V7R, 2014 V7S) get 47-50 MPG commuting in moderate temps (15 miles), and 52-55 MPG on longer rides.

So, at least for me, I get about 10% better MPG out of my 1TB V7's than I did my 2TB one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 05, 2018, 10:09:01 PM
When they hit our shores, my Mk 2 is up for grabs.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: j.r.r. on March 06, 2018, 07:48:37 AM
Interview with Marco Lambri, Manager of the Piaggio Group Styling Centre, designer of V85 https://goo.gl/gBzNmH (https://goo.gl/gBzNmH). Except the picture there is no much more details about the bike  :sad:

(http://thumb.ibb.co/eVusSn/2018_03_06_0843.png) (http://ibb.co/eVusSn)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on March 06, 2018, 02:53:04 PM
Moto International just announced that it will go Into production 2/2019.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on March 06, 2018, 03:21:57 PM
Moto International just announced that it will go Into production 2/2019.

Just saw that Post on FB...

So in production in Feb, 3~4 months of putting together and ship them to states, another 6 or so months of waiting list, another 4~5 months to work out the bugs

So you might be looking at next year April or so before hitting the road?

Sounds about right with the initial 2020 statement before :P
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 07, 2018, 01:38:40 AM
Just saw that Post on FB...

So in production in Feb, 3~4 months of putting together and ship them to states, another 6 or so months of waiting list, another 4~5 months to work out the bugs

So you might be looking at next year April or so before hitting the road?

Sounds about right with the initial 2020 statement before :P
Jeez..
I can't wait to see some of the back pedalling that will go on here on the forum :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 07, 2018, 07:41:57 AM
They don't really backpedal much, they mostly try to act like they never claimed such.   I have noticed it the last couple of model releases.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on March 07, 2018, 08:17:32 AM
So out of curiosity, didn't the ownership and entire staff of Moto I change hands to a bunch of newbs? How certain are we they are plugged in? Can another dealer here confirm or deny that delivery date?

*shrugs*

I dunno, there was so much back and forth about when it might be ready does anyone really care? I mean, weren't some originally saying that time frame and others (possibly in the EU) saying a earlier date? Both could still be true.

But back to the care thing...

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on March 07, 2018, 08:24:05 AM
So out of curiosity, didn't the ownership and entire staff of Moto I change hands to a bunch of newbs? How certain are we they are plugged in? Can another dealer here confirm or deny that delivery date?

*shrugs*

I dunno, there was so much back and forth about when it might be ready does anyone really care? I mean, weren't some originally saying that time frame and others (possibly in the EU) saying a earlier date? Both could still be true.

But back to the care thing...


(http://thumb.ibb.co/etmwHn/V85_News.jpg) (http://ibb.co/etmwHn)


Per this conversation I had with the Portland dealer they are "coming next Spring."

I don't think they had their info right on the engine, possibly... but they never responded to my questions on that.

I imagine it'll be pretty muddy until the show in November.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on March 07, 2018, 08:24:38 AM
This is from the MI Blog.

Sep 15
Dave Richardson
Passing the Baton

by Dave Richardson
 
 

Saturday, October 14th will be my last day at Moto International. Actually, it wasn�t so much my idea as Hoffa�s. Pit bulls are so demanding.

Some have asked me how I can retire, thinking that Moto International is �my� business. Actually, it has always had several owners and I�ve never been more than �.

My retirement plan goes back to 2012 when then-majority owner Rich was looking to sell after his life relocated to Portland. That brought Sarah on board in 2013 but soon after, her life changed in dramatic ways and so she sold to Joe Ashton at the start of 2017. And the plan has always been for me to retire after showing Joe around.

Speaking of Joe, I am so happy that he will be the new face of Moto International. He's had a lot of bikes plus he's dedicated to making Moto work and he's very smart and picks up on stuff quickly. I couldn't ask for a better person to run the show.

Will Moto change? Of course it will. But it changes every time any employee changes as different people bring different styles and orientations. I hope Moto changes as I�ve become a bit of a stick-in-the-mud. Really, I think of this as a good time to tell Joe and the gang here what you�d like to see from Moto in the future.

I�m excited to be stepping aside. We have a group of young, smart, and talented people here now. And really, all that�s changing is one out of nine people involved here, so 11%. OK, two out of ten if you count Hoffa. This is in no way an ending, but merely a passing of the baton. You�ll go on, Moto will go on, I�ll go on; nothing will disappear.

I am overwhelmed with gratitude. Between our customers, employees, shop owners, and Aprilia/Moto Guzzi, I�ve had the fun and pleasure of making my living in motorcycles. As one former employee used to say, �Hey, we get to play motorcycle store today!� I won�t get the chance to say ciao to all of you in person but that doesn�t mean that I won�t be remembering.

What am I going to do? First, work harder!, as Lana and I prepare no less than five living spaces for different residents. Then, a little decompression before getting back into writing my memoir book, filled with the memories of 35 years in this business.

So thanks for the ride. See you on the road."
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on March 07, 2018, 08:41:32 AM

(http://thumb.ibb.co/etmwHn/V85_News.jpg) (http://ibb.co/etmwHn)


Per this conversation I had with the Portland dealer they are "coming next Spring."

I don't think they had their info right on the engine, possibly... but they never responded to my questions on that.

I imagine it'll be pretty muddy until the show in November.

Yeah, stating matter of fact that the new bike is going to be a 2V air-cooled motor doesn't help his credibility...  :boozing:

Ah, we'll see when we see...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 07, 2018, 05:56:23 PM
They don't really backpedal much, they mostly try to act like they never claimed such.   I have noticed it the last couple of model releases.
Yeah normally that would work mate..
But.
One only has to go back and have a look through the thread... :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 07, 2018, 06:00:29 PM
Indeed Huzo.  Piaggio has its faults,  but bringing bikes to market on time doesn't seem to be one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 07, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
Indeed Huzo.  Piaggio has its faults,  but bringing bikes to market on time doesn't seem to be one.
I do like the "I'll believe it when I see it" approach.
Risk takers of the highest order. Some of the blokes should go on Mastermind, I can see it now..
"Joe Bloggs from Timbucktoo Az. special subject the bleedin' obvious !
Anyway.
Nothing that a few read faces and a good feed of humble pie won't put right.
'Can't imagine a thread developing there ! Hmmmmm? :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 07, 2018, 06:18:32 PM
My 2TB (2009 V7C) got 44-46 MPG commuting in moderate temps (15 miles), and 46-48 MPG on longer rides.
My 1TB V7's (2013 V7R, 2014 V7S) get 47-50 MPG commuting in moderate temps (15 miles), and 52-55 MPG on longer rides.

So, at least for me, I get about 10% better MPG out of my 1TB V7's than I did my 2TB one.

My 2TB is giving a tad over 53mp((US) gal. I have shown 240 miles and not run out, with approx 1 lit left in the tank. More than happy with the range. My Miles to the destination checks out with the AA distances so it shouldn't be far out.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on March 07, 2018, 06:22:50 PM
My 2TB is giving a tad over 53mp((US) gal. I have shown 240 miles and not run out, with approx 1 lit left in the tank. More than happy with the range. My Miles to the destination checks out with the AA distances so it shouldn't be far out.

So, I take it that your 2TB is one of the last year ones with the 5.5 gallon metal tank?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 08, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
So, I take it that your 2TB is one of the last year ones with the 5.5 gallon metal tank?

'03 Breva with the 18 lit plastic tank. The experts say 17.5 usable. Haven't verified that yet :rolleyes: but I have put 16.9 in before. (240 miles) Sweating a bit on that one!. Up until then I knew I could do 220 miles.

The calculator says that 18 lits = 4.755 US gals. If the fuel pump limits it to 17.5 I was sailing pretty close to the wind.

Edit; It does seem to be one of the more economical 2TB's from what I can tell Jay. The motor is very smooth and pulls from go to whoa. Had a Roper tweak at about 13000 miles but it was very minor. All checked out fine. Other than that, only ever done just regular maintenance on it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on May 02, 2018, 06:17:49 PM
It's looking like January 2019 (though I saw Hamlin said we may see it late 2018).

Hot off the press from a couple sources.  No idea if they're reliable but the dates seem reasonable.

https://www.bikewale.com/news/34245-moto-guzzi-v85-to-arrive-in-january-2019.html
http://www.sagmart.com/news/Automobiles/moto-guzzi-v85-to-hit-production-line-this-year


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on May 02, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
It's looking like January 2019 (though I saw Hamlin said we may see it late 2018).

Hot off the press from a couple sources.  No idea if they're reliable but the dates seem reasonable.

https://www.bikewale.com/news/34245-moto-guzzi-v85-to-arrive-in-january-2019.html
http://www.sagmart.com/news/Automobiles/moto-guzzi-v85-to-hit-production-line-this-year

wait what?...didn't they say it goes INTO PRODUCTION in Feb of 2019 before?...now it is for sale in January 2019...?

anyone care to explain...?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 02, 2018, 09:44:31 PM
Ok.
Any Aussies want my Mk 2 Le Mans ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on May 03, 2018, 08:44:13 AM
wait what?...didn't they say it goes INTO PRODUCTION in Feb of 2019 before?...now it is for sale in January 2019...?

anyone care to explain...?

I haven't seen any official announcements of that, hell I asked a dealer on Facebook for information (after they visited Italy for a Piaggio dealer meeting) and got conflicting information with what another dealer said and was shared here.  :rolleyes:

I imagine by November's show we'll hear the "real news" and see the production bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on May 03, 2018, 02:05:43 PM
I haven't seen any official announcements of that, hell I asked a dealer on Facebook for information (after they visited Italy for a Piaggio dealer meeting) and got conflicting information with what another dealer said and was shared here.  :rolleyes:

I imagine by November's show we'll hear the "real news" and see the production bike.

Lets hope so...right now it is all talk tbh...

I will believe it when I see the bike running... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 15, 2018, 04:26:39 PM
I hadn't seen this photo until today, maybe y'all have.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35296909_603152996732156_3207368966905266176_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=046486460a60bedf45bf40bbb695a622&oe=5BA83070)

In English, the text reads:

"More space in the saddle than EICMA prototype."
"The ergonomics have been revised to better accommodate the passenger and to prevent the rider's legs from interfering with the cylinders."
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on June 15, 2018, 05:00:22 PM
I hadn't seen this photo until today, maybe y'all have.

Yep - saw this one. Scary, ain't it? Hope if/when it comes to market the color combos will include something a little less, um, garish.

Also struggling with the eagle on the headlights.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 15, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
Why do they insist on painting the engine and drive train black .
The colour looks like a Columbian  drug dealer's bike, but I will have one immediately if they paint them decently.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on June 15, 2018, 06:37:17 PM
"Columbian  drug dealer's bike"........ :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redrider90 on June 16, 2018, 11:46:46 AM
Why do they insist on painting the engine and drive train black .
The colour looks like a Columbian  drug dealer's bike, but I will have one immediately if they paint them decently.


Actually nice blue valve covers  would have completed the colors of the Columbian National Flag   :grin:
(https://image.ibb.co/jiuvXy/Columbian_Flag.png)

FYI:  my nephew is a Major in the Intelligence Unit of US Army with central and South America coming under his purview. He says Columbia is making great strides into controlling and removing it's drug lord past and murder rates are way down.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on June 16, 2018, 02:16:01 PM
Heey they posted one of my name suggestions...:)...or it was several of us....Gringa...name d for the mountain directly above the factory


http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on June 16, 2018, 08:40:14 PM
I like the new paint scheme. Looks a lot better than the KR Yamaha racing livery on the prototype.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Scud on June 16, 2018, 09:27:17 PM
Heey they posted one of my name suggestions...:)...or it was several of us....Gringa...name d for the mountain directly above the factory


http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/

Gringo = white male tourist in Mexico
Gringa = white female tourist in Mexico

Riding a Gringa opens up all manner of improprieties... buying and selling Gringas... Can I ride your Gringa?   :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: IceBlue on June 17, 2018, 01:28:51 AM
Nice to see my suggestion DAKAR there too.

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on June 17, 2018, 02:31:30 AM
Quote
Gringo = white male tourist in Mexico
Gringa = white female tourist in Mexico

Riding a Gringa opens up all manner of improprieties... buying and selling Gringas... Can I ride your Gringa?   :evil:

Hahaha. here's a possible future thread  :evil:- I was riding my Gringa hard this morning when oil started leaking out of the rear end.



Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidneb on June 17, 2018, 03:07:56 AM
Sublime humour here.
Shame only that the name of the mountain is Grigna.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Scud on June 24, 2018, 03:14:44 PM
Hahaha. here's a possible future thread  :evil:- I was riding my Gringa hard this morning when oil started leaking out of the rear end.

So much potential double-entendre. We could imagine an off-road ride report... I was banging rocks on my Gringa when I bottomed out and her rear end kicked up high. Where is the shock rebound adjuster?  :evil:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on June 24, 2018, 03:40:53 PM
Maybe the new mill will have a cam chain instead of pushrods.
And when the top end is TOO much it will blow the crank out of the case, welcome to the smallblock engine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Scud on June 24, 2018, 04:12:22 PM
I still hope they sell a lot of them. I think the tribute yellow, white, and red is pretty cool.

I could imagine replacing my Ducati ST3 with a V85 (whatever it's called) in a year or so - if the V85 proves to be a good tourer and has decent dirt road manners. A lot does depend on the new motor...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on June 24, 2018, 11:12:32 PM
I hadn't seen this photo until today, maybe y'all have.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35296909_603152996732156_3207368966905266176_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=046486460a60bedf45bf40bbb695a622&oe=5BA83070)

In English, the text reads:

"More space in the saddle than EICMA prototype."
"The ergonomics have been revised to better accommodate the passenger and to prevent the rider's legs from interfering with the cylinders."

Anxiously awaiting a test ride.... hope they add  a low fender of some soft of mud guard to keep the sh$t off the motor.

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 25, 2018, 12:49:30 AM
And when the top end is TOO much it will blow the crank out of the case, welcome to the smallblock engine.
Well yes Steve..
But if the predictions of the boffins are to be believed, then that will never happen, because it's all just a big pipe dream..and we're never going to see it anyhoo...
At least it was a year ago... :embarrassed: :clock:
Imagine the hours of fun some of us will have collating all the comments that have been posted suggesting those who dared to hope, are just a bunch of tossers.. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 04, 2018, 10:01:20 AM
"Enduro concept becomes reality"

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorradonline.de%2Fmotorraeder%2Fmoto-guzzi-v85-erlkoenig-2018.983808.html&edit-text=
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on July 04, 2018, 12:35:33 PM
If this is actually the production color I may be forced to leave a deposit! Much better than the previous circus color schemes (apologies to those who liked the bright colors).


(https://thumb.ibb.co/nv2qKy/moto_guzzi_v85_014jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nv2qKy)



(https://thumb.ibb.co/mXVSzy/moto_guzzi_v85_010jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mXVSzy)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on July 04, 2018, 12:40:07 PM
If this is actually the production color I may be forced to leave a deposit! Much better than the previous circus color schemes (apologies to those who liked the bright colors).


(https://thumb.ibb.co/nv2qKy/moto_guzzi_v85_014jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nv2qKy)



(https://thumb.ibb.co/mXVSzy/moto_guzzi_v85_010jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mXVSzy)


I am with you on this...lol...

maybe the tank may have some white/gray stripes, but that blacked out fender + the tall tinted fairing looks nice! :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on July 04, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
"And the fine Öhlins spring elements of the study will probably not be included in the series."

I understand why, but it should be offered as an option.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on July 04, 2018, 01:48:46 PM
"And the fine �hlins spring elements of the study will probably not be included in the series."

I understand why, but it should be offered as an option.

 with the axle before the legs, there won't fit anything Ohlins has.

pictures are with two different test drivers, so it will fit 200+ drivers
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 04, 2018, 02:39:28 PM
 That has to be a Proto type color as not to attract the attention of the press ha hA.    But I agree it does look good in black 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on July 04, 2018, 02:47:56 PM
Here too:
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/moto-guzzi-v85/

The V9 test bikes, when first spotted, were black as well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: motocruz on July 04, 2018, 03:36:35 PM
I absolutely want this bike.
I've had my eyes on the Stelvio for a lot time, but don't like the idea of such a big bike for true/off back roads. The biggest difference between the prototype and production is the exhaust system. Look at the clean pipes with no catalyst on the proto and look at all the crap an the production model. Biggest factor for me will be the horse power. With 30 plus years on large 1100's I do not want a 40-50 hp bike must be at least 75 plus for a good all around bike, for an 850.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on July 04, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
"Enduro concept becomes reality"

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorradonline.de%2Fmotorraeder%2Fmoto-guzzi-v85-erlkoenig-2018.983808.html&edit-text=



Thanks Charlie

I've been surfing for new news on the V85 every other day....awesome...I'm excited....yu gotta believe...nay Sayers have a look
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on July 04, 2018, 06:59:01 PM
Single sided rear shock. My guess would be so that the high level muffler can be tucked in out of the way.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on July 04, 2018, 07:57:56 PM
<SNIP> With 30 plus years on large 1100's I do not want a 40-50 hp bike must be at least 75 plus for a good all around bike, for an 850.  :popcorn:

I'm coming off Cali & Breva 1100's and a Griso 1200. At first I thought that I'd really miss the big-block power but as my V7 III is breaking in I'm finding it has all the power I need and is sooo smooth. Even if the V85 only manages 60-65 it will warrant a test ride. Big key for me will be the bike's weight. I'll take 60 hp at 450 lbs over 100 hp and 600 lbs (Stelvio) every day of the week.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 04, 2018, 08:55:05 PM
Great,  but lets not give up and settle before the girl even gets out of the barn!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on July 04, 2018, 09:18:06 PM
Single sided rear shock. My guess would be so that the high level muffler can be tucked in out of the way.

My guess is that is a cost driven design to keep cost down.


Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 05, 2018, 02:43:39 AM
Jeez guys, can we ease off on the tsunami of comments..?
I have to go back through all of these and dig up the ones that suggest it's all a big load of BS...!
But it'll be worth it.. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on July 05, 2018, 07:24:05 AM



I have to go back through all of these and dig up the ones that suggest it's all a big load of BS...!
But it'll be worth it.. :thumb:

No, not really...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on July 05, 2018, 07:27:28 AM
I am with you on this...lol...

maybe the tank may have some white/gray stripes, but that blacked out fender + the tall tinted fairing looks nice! :thumb:

It brings me a smile to finally see the small block on the road in a new frame. :) It's been cradled by the same design since it's inception... The Ippo only got a photoshoot.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Shorty on July 21, 2018, 05:09:36 PM
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/moto-guzzi-v85/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on July 21, 2018, 05:22:37 PM
Just saw that Post on FB...

So in production in Feb, 3~4 months of putting together and ship them to states, another 6 or so months of waiting list, another 4~5 months to work out the bugs

So you might be looking at next year April or so before hitting the road?

Sounds about right with the initial 2020 statement before :P


This will be interesting... three months Agostini said they thought they'd have them for sale from their Mandello shop in September
I'd bet their here by june 2019 or earlier.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on July 21, 2018, 07:45:41 PM
Friend of a friend said he saw one for sale in a shop near Milan!!! :thumb: :cool: :smiley: Good looking modern Guzzi!!!


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cFUsJd/Screen_Shot_2018_07_21_at_5_44_25_PM.png) (https://ibb.co/cFUsJd)


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 22, 2018, 11:46:36 AM
Your  friend would be wrong.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on July 22, 2018, 02:23:43 PM

This will be interesting... three months Agostini said they thought they'd have them for sale from their Mandello shop in September
I'd bet their here by june 2019 or earlier.

Probably a fair guess. I called a dealer with the intention of reserving one after hearing they may be here in the fall. He said next spring at the earliest. So I am on hold. Maybe when they hit the dealers in Italy I may get serious again.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on July 22, 2018, 04:21:09 PM
Best MG dealer I know says March 2019.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Archangel on July 22, 2018, 04:52:23 PM
Still waiting on the specs. Bike really needs to be smaller and 150 - 200 lbs lighter than my Stelvio to keep my interest up. :azn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on July 22, 2018, 05:42:31 PM
Still waiting on the specs. Bike really needs to be smaller and 150 - 200 lbs lighter than my Stelvio to keep my interest up. :azn:


That’s the plan
So they say
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on July 22, 2018, 06:52:27 PM
Your would be wrong.

OK-OK...don't shoot the messenger!! (Just sayin' what I heard and passed it along!!) 

Just add it to the "FAKE NEWS" section!! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 22, 2018, 07:07:50 PM
OK-OK...don't shoot the messenger!! (Just sayin' what I heard and passed it along!!) 

Just add it to the "FAKE NEWS" section!! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
Just keep tabs on where this post is.
You may need to dig it up at some stage... :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Warren Rhen on July 22, 2018, 07:48:34 PM
I ordered the first boatload that will come to the u.s.a. ��-hopefully by 2020 😂

Is that when the Somalis will be releasing them?  :afro:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on July 22, 2018, 07:52:27 PM
I’m sure gambling is not allowed on this site lol

But we could do a “ closest to” date contest for first documented sale.
Winner gets “ I told you so”  rights

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 22, 2018, 08:02:37 PM
I�m sure gambling is not allowed on this site lol

But we could do a � closest to� date contest for first documented sale.
Winner gets � I told you so�  rights
What do I win if I'm the first to ride from Melbourne to London on one..?
Oh and BTW...
I just rang Moto Guzzi in Melbourne and they said around end of August.. (tentatively).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on July 23, 2018, 05:27:04 AM
I just rang Moto Guzzi in Melbourne and they said around end of August.. (tentatively).

Which year?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 23, 2018, 07:48:58 AM
Which year?
This one
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on July 23, 2018, 08:05:27 AM
Jesus wept. They haven't even hit the streets in Italy and the latest pics were a long way off a production model. Why the hell would they launch it in Oz unless they're really scared it's going to be a grenade and wanted to hush it up! :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trevor G on July 23, 2018, 11:01:25 AM
'03 Breva with the 18 lit plastic tank. The experts say 17.5 usable. Haven't verified that yet :rolleyes: but I have put 16.9 in before. (240 miles) Sweating a bit on that one!. Up until then I knew I could do 220 miles.


At what speed?


Fuel consumption is entirely dependent on road speed and gear in use (plus load, including passenger or not).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on July 23, 2018, 11:23:05 AM

At what speed?


Fuel consumption is entirely dependent on road speed and gear in use (plus load, including passenger or not).


Wrong topic reply ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on July 23, 2018, 12:25:04 PM
No.  I�m not joking.  An 800 Tiger low fuel light comes on at 160.  God help you if you have a heavy wrist on a Multistrada because you�ll be walking in as little as 140 miles.  My V-Strom 1000 would barely go 200 if I was hammering on it and they have a 6 gallon tank.  Most ADV bikes are similar.  If you�re going to run 250+ miles all the time withought stopping buy a Rotopax for $50.

My old Ducati HypermotardS (1100 aircooled, 2 valve engine) was on fumes at 95 miles.  Light came on at 85.

KTM 690 has had it at 130 miles.

On my V7iii low lite comes on 165-175, and I ran out next to a gas station at 65 miles on the count down, so 230.  This is around town, and SoCal gas always delivers inferior mileage of up to 10%.  I bet on the highway in Nevada the iii would make 250 with some margin.

I would hope for the V85 to have 5 usable gallons.  One of my favorite things about the iii is the large fuel tank. 

On brands like KTM where folks bitch about a one pound weight gain, I can see the manufacturer cutting fuel tank size.  But Moto Guzzi?  Come on, I think everybody here cares more about range than a couple of pounds.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 23, 2018, 02:31:33 PM
Jesus wept. They haven't even hit the streets in Italy and the latest pics were a long way off a production model. Why the hell would they launch it in Oz unless they're really scared it's going to be a grenade and wanted to hush it up! :grin:
Dunno Pete.
Just sayin' what the bloke told me.
Not bad though for something that we were never gunna' see!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on July 24, 2018, 05:29:34 PM
I liked it at first, but am over it now.
Me, too.  Rather have a Scrambler V7.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 24, 2018, 06:49:27 PM
here's a real ADV bike.. you can buy right now..

(https://photos.smugmug.com/DR-650/i-4t9K36f/0/8a89ce41/XL/IMG_2000%20%281%29-XL.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/DR-650/i-4t9K36f/A)

well over 300 mile range, and under 350# before loading it w/gear


And a year after they are imported and the 1st wave of buyers are satisfied the manufacturer won't drop the price buy $3,000 to try and sell off the remaining floundering stock.

The VStrom 650 has about 65 HP is a great bike already here and doesn't sell for sheit because in the US market its underpowered.


The red frame, yellow tank and an "M" on Ronald's jump suit. Did McDonalds buy out Piaggio?



(https://thumb.ibb.co/ij87r8/th.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ij87r8)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/cp31Jo/Screen_Shot_2018_07_21_at_5_44_25_PM.png) (https://ibb.co/cp31Jo)

 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on July 24, 2018, 07:20:27 PM

And a year after they are imported and the 1st wave of buyers are satisfied the manufacturer won't drop the price buy $3,000 to try and sell off the remaining floundering stock.

The VStrom 650 has about 65 HP is a great bike already here and doesn't sell for sheit because in the US market its underpowered.


The red frame, yellow tank and an "M" on Ronald's jump suit. Did McDonalds buy out Piaggio?



(https://thumb.ibb.co/ij87r8/th.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ij87r8)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/cp31Jo/Screen_Shot_2018_07_21_at_5_44_25_PM.png) (https://ibb.co/cp31Jo)

The 650 V-Strom sells very well and has since it's introduction in 2004.  The Japanese don't import a bike for 15 years unless it sells.  They get great gas mileage, weigh 460lbs and the performance is as good or better than anything else in it's class.  It's the Mazda Miata of middle weight ADV bikes.   

The V85 looks to be aimed at the BMW GS800 and Triumph Tiger 800.  The price on those is 12-16 grand depending on model and options.  The V85 should be competitive.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on July 24, 2018, 07:47:49 PM

At what speed?
Fuel consumption is entirely dependent on road speed and gear in use (plus load, including passenger or not).

Usually (try to) sit at about 70mph. It has a nasty habit of wanting to sit at 5000rpm :rolleyes:, which is nudging 80mph. If I know it may be tight I will try to sit at the speed limit, which is 62mph down here. Light load, no passenger, although I have not found it to increase much with a heavy load.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on July 24, 2018, 08:02:35 PM
The VStrom 650 has about 65 HP is a great bike already here and doesn't sell for sheit because in the US market its underpowered.

For a bike that doesn't sell I see a lot of them on the road.  Suzuki keeps making them cuz it's one of their best sellers.  I just wish it was a shaftie! :violent1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 25, 2018, 05:51:59 AM
For a bike that doesn't sell I see a lot of them on the road.  Suzuki keeps making them cuz it's one of their best sellers.  I just wish it was a shaftie! :violent1:

Yes I'd agree that comapered to all Vstrom sales (DL650 and DL1000) the DL650 is in the top 2.


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on July 25, 2018, 05:23:20 PM
Both V-Stroms popular out here. Eminently suited to our roads which actually have corners, and lots of them.

Do like the look of that V85 though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on July 26, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
For a bike that doesn't sell I see a lot of them on the road.  Suzuki keeps making them cuz it's one of their best sellers.  I just wish it was a shaftie! :violent1:

Both wee-strom and Vee-strom are taking over the inexpensive ADV/Touring market around this part of country.....Like a STORM *boo-doom-chi~* :afro:

Same "complain" mostly, that freaking chain needs to be look well after during a long dusty/rocky ride.

Some friends upgraded the chains and add on auto-oiler....so far they seems to hold up.

Beside that, you will see a million of million of millions of GS and KTM around.

SOOOOOO...IF Guzzi is ABLE to pump this V85 out with PROPER ADV touring in mind, they should NOT suffer too bad...(beside the dealer support, but that is a dead horse that has been beaten to death and back too many times)...

Still waiting for the spec!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 27, 2018, 01:56:41 PM
What is the popular theory as to what motor the V85 will have ?
Will it be a V9 or a stretched V7 ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 27, 2018, 03:46:39 PM
Well massaged v9 is my guess. I think I read it's going to be a two valve,  I wonder how they are going to get another 25 horsepower out of it?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on July 27, 2018, 04:03:48 PM
Well massaged v9 is my guess. I think I read it's going to be a two valve,  I wonder how they are going to get another 25 horsepower out of it?

smaller horses...aka Ponies?  :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on July 27, 2018, 04:16:57 PM
Well massaged v9 is my guess. I think I read it's going to be a two valve,  I wonder how they are going to get another 25 horsepower out of it?

I think I read it was going to be a 4 valve  head, that makes sense to me. Not much else I can think of will pull 25 HP out of that lump...… except maybe a b big bump in compression, cmas, timing, and liquid cooled exhaust Valves.... and that ain't goining to happen.  :violent1:


Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on July 27, 2018, 06:39:35 PM
I think there was a write up linked on the LeMans forum.

It's two valve and oil cooled IIRC.  Passes Euro 4 and all that.

They are claiming 75-80HP?  I think they might be Shetland horses rather than Clydesdales. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kenvil1 on July 28, 2018, 05:15:59 PM
Can someone show me a V85 with un painted engine, polished valve covers, anthracite grey/black satin finish frame, red tank and body panels, (no stripes, red/grey panniers.)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/dfRDOo/V85_Red.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dfRDOo)

Sorry, I can't get the red any better than this.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 31, 2018, 06:34:27 PM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/dfRDOo/V85_Red.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dfRDOo)

Sorry, I can't get the red any better than this.
Damn...! :bow: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on August 01, 2018, 03:03:39 AM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/dfRDOo/V85_Red.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dfRDOo)

Sorry, I can't get the red any better than this.

I do like the look of that. Real nice! :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 01, 2018, 03:25:48 AM
I do like the look of that. Real nice! :thumb:
Yeah, good job..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 01, 2018, 10:26:09 AM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/dfRDOo/V85_Red.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dfRDOo)

Sorry, I can't get the red any better than this.

I showed my wife all the alteration of the V85 that I am trying the darnest of convincing that I "need it"...she said find, but as long as you get the red or the white one...

 :evil: it is working guys...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on August 01, 2018, 05:05:01 PM
It's Italian, it has to be red. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 01, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
Mine bloody well will be.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on August 01, 2018, 08:49:52 PM
Mine bloody well will be.

My '03 Breva is.......red (of course) :grin: :thumb: It's the fastest colour too. :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 24, 2018, 12:46:00 PM
Copy and pasted from the Moto Guzzi World Club on facebook.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/mmwfQ9/40026868_10216805886996911_7125687040003276800_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mmwfQ9) (https://thumb.ibb.co/bzQPk9/39952085_10216805889996986_4420710679862837248_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bzQPk9) (https://thumb.ibb.co/gtUOdU/40002205_10216805889596976_7641795435849318400_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gtUOdU) (https://thumb.ibb.co/mBc9JU/40024151_10216805889196966_1442766079792250880_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mBc9JU) (https://thumb.ibb.co/ezHWXp/40002192_10216805888156940_4705739531557535744_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ezHWXp) (https://thumb.ibb.co/diuBXp/40004229_10216805887956935_5136704508612575232_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/diuBXp) (https://thumb.ibb.co/m6zOdU/39997265_10216805888116939_5295800203314462720_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6zOdU) (https://thumb.ibb.co/hFHn59/40031649_10216805887996936_7668300834379137024_n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hFHn59)


Looks like it is getting closer to the finish line!... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 24, 2018, 01:15:02 PM
I've told my dealer to ring when one arrives.
I'll take it immediately.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidsmoke on August 24, 2018, 01:22:03 PM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/dfRDOo/V85_Red.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dfRDOo)

Damn...! :bow: :thumb:

indeed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 24, 2018, 01:29:59 PM
I don't give a bugger if it's got 5 valves or 4 or 2.
I'll have it if it's got 1 VPC.
I just want one...
Shut up and take my money...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Toecutter on August 24, 2018, 02:10:52 PM
Only a 15 liter fuel tank?   Can that possibly be right?

Am I the only living person in the Galaxy who cares about having a fairly large gas tank???   My little V7 has a 22 liter tank, and I wish it had maybe a gallon or two more capacity.

Nope. I'm a guy who HIGHLY prioritizes tank range on my motorcycles. More gas is better-er.

As for the V85, Guzzi green and black would look far better. I believe someone mocked one up on ADVRider.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Toecutter on August 24, 2018, 02:18:03 PM
I can't say about YOUR old V7, but most of the ones around here are reporting that regularly.

I.E. it's rare I get below 50 mpg, and not uncommon for me to get closer to 55.

And reports I hear about the V7 III and V9 are that they are just as good.

But we'll see.

On highway, I get about 4.5L/100 km... which, for shits and giggles...when translated into an archaic, outdated, practically heiroglyphic form of measurement, works out to about 52 mpg. Sometimes better... the best I ever saw was a lazy, easy day of 5th gear, 80km/h riding, when I got 4L/100km, which is close to 58mpg.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 24, 2018, 02:21:15 PM
Nope. I'm a guy who HIGHLY prioritizes tank range on my motorcycles. More gas is better-er.

As for the V85, Guzzi green and black would look far better. I believe someone mocked one up on ADVRider.

again, it is all speculation at the moment (drooling over the pictures still), the tanks looks slightly more long taper but big wider at the front end.

Quite similar to how a V7 is...so that is a good sign.

and just cropped the photo by comparing to a F800GS which looks about the similar size to the V85 shown to me which has a 24L tank.

well, by staring at the photos ONLY, I would hope it has at least 21L...

again, all these are just speculation...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/mn02oU/image.png) (https://ibb.co/mn02oU)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on August 24, 2018, 03:07:35 PM
Any word of this engine config being used in any of the other "new" models forthcoming? 
I'm not sure I could sell the "dirt bike" looking Guzzi to my wife after the time we spent with the Stelvio.  And that seat would take some work to be pillion friendly (or my a$$ friendly if asked).
The Guzzi club page pics do look more realistic with the metal under the engine..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 24, 2018, 07:04:56 PM
Would be nice if it came stock with hard bags, aux lighting, ect. like the Stelvio.

I'm VERY interested...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 24, 2018, 07:06:09 PM

I'm not sure I could sell the "dirt bike" looking Guzzi to my wife after the time we spent with the Stelvio. 

Nothing a little aftermarket farkles won't help  :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on August 24, 2018, 07:08:20 PM
Would be nice if it came stock with hard bags, aux lighting, ect. like the Stelvio.

I'm VERY interested...
Too bad you're not tall enough...[emoji39]
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 24, 2018, 07:09:15 PM
Would be nice if it came stock with hard bags, aux lighting, ect. like the Stelvio.

I'm VERY interested...

hard boxes would be nice, but nothing is stopping me with a strap over bag like how I do with the V7...

I just want it to be Enduro/tour worthy  :cool:...oh that doesn't weight like a Hippo with a seat height only superman can reach...

ya, I have short legs...

(https://thumb.ibb.co/kDLfA9/image.png) (https://ibb.co/kDLfA9)


me on my friend's AT...ya, I can't reach even if I tried...LOL
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on August 24, 2018, 07:18:06 PM
I'm 6'5", I fail to understand what all the fuss is about seat height?  I find the typical 31" Guzzi seat to be on the shallow side.  I feel MFG should build bikes for properly sized humans, that is a minimum 34" height.  I mean really, just "grow up" why don't you?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on August 24, 2018, 07:40:52 PM
again, it is all speculation at the moment (drooling over the pictures still), the tanks looks slightly more long taper but big wider at the front end.

Quite similar to how a V7 is...so that is a good sign.

and just cropped the photo by comparing to a F800GS which looks about the similar size to the V85 shown to me which has a 24L tank.

well, by staring at the photos ONLY, I would hope it has at least 21L...

again, all these are just speculation...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/mn02oU/image.png) (https://ibb.co/mn02oU)


The F800GS's fuel tank is under the seat.    The bodywork that looks like a fuel tank has the air intake box under it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 24, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
I'm 6'5", I fail to understand what all the fuss is about seat height?  I find the typical 31" Guzzi seat to be on the shallow side.  I feel MFG should build bikes for properly sized humans, that is a minimum 34" height.  I mean really, just "grow up" why don't you?

First, I guess my joke of me sitting on the AT dangling escaped you. I find it funny, but apparently you don't.

Second, You are 6'-5, and I am obviously not. So the seat height obviously is on my wishing list and I am not the only one even with friends who have longer legs than I.

Now, I have my ways getting up on Higher seat bikes to work with my short legs.  Also, I am "grown up" enough to understand what's needed to cram the proper pieces into a motorcycle to make it work. But again, one can wish right?

So if seat shape/height is really out of my control, so be it, and I just won't buy it. But before than, I believe I have my right to voice my opinion?

So chill man, I am not here to pick a fight with anyone but rather voicing what I want and I totally get it if it isn't what you believe in.

So Until Guzzi actually releases the data and a bike for me to test sit/ride on, I can only keep on drooling over the bike photos and see what Moto Guzzi has to offer.

So have a nice day :)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 24, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
The F800GS's fuel tank is under the seat.    The bodywork that looks like a fuel tank has the air intake box under it.

I was using it as a size of bike comparison.

But thank you for pointing it out :)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on August 24, 2018, 09:11:50 PM
That pic is the new (2019) f750gs or f850gs.  They've moved the tank back to the normal tank position.  What I found funny was they said it was to give the bike better balance...which believe is why they moved it to the under-seat position originally.  *shrug*.   I  think the new BMWs are over 500 pounds wet.  Here's hoping the new Guzzi comes in under that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on August 24, 2018, 09:14:45 PM
re: seat hight.  It'd be nice if it had some adjustability so people don't immediately have to go to an aftermarket solution.
 We'll see what we see.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on August 24, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
re: seat hight.  It'd be nice if it had some adjustability so people don't immediately have to go to an aftermarket solution.
 We'll see what we see.
Has anyone ever done that except a few BMW models?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 24, 2018, 09:56:12 PM
Has anyone ever done that except a few BMW models?

Both Honda AfricaTwin models.

The model I sat on is the new adventure on the lowest setting @ 900mm. High is at 920mm.

The standard AT have two setting of 870mm/850mm.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on August 24, 2018, 10:00:49 PM
Both Honda AfricaTwin models.

The model I sat on is the new adventure on the lowest setting @ 900mm. High is at 920mm.

The standard AT have two setting of 870mm/850mm.
So out of hundreds of thousands of models, a dozen or so have. Check...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 24, 2018, 10:02:50 PM
So out of hundreds of thousands of models, a dozen or so have. Check...

Pretty much...so it isn't an out of question idea of low/high seat.

Anyway...the more I dig the more I am itching to sit on the V85..  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on August 24, 2018, 10:34:44 PM
I think the Triump Tiger has adjustable height.  Stelvio too though I don't know how much.  Maybe it's more common with ADV bikes.

I hear ya about hoping to sit on one soon.  And hopefully there'll be no feet swinging. ;)
(900 mm seems insanely high but maybe that's because I don't offroad)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Pootle on August 25, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
I'm 6'5", I fail to understand what all the fuss is about seat height?  I find the typical 31" Guzzi seat to be on the shallow side.  I feel MFG should build bikes for properly sized humans, that is a minimum 34" height.  I mean really, just "grow up" why don't you?
I read somewhere that being tall is a syndrome.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 25, 2018, 12:31:22 PM

Yamaha Tracer, takes a minute to adjust seat height.

(https://cdn.yamaha-motor.eu/product_assets/2018/mt09trgt/950-75/2018-yamaha-mt09trgt-eu-nimbus-grey-studio-001.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redrider90 on August 25, 2018, 12:33:09 PM
I read somewhere that being tall is a syndrome.

It's a death syndrome. As a 6'5" er my life expectancy  is years less than shorter men. 😱
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on August 25, 2018, 01:26:44 PM
Pretty much...so it isn't an out of question idea of low/high seat.

Anyway...the more I dig the more I am itching to sit on the V85..  :grin:
I'm happy to hear more brands/models have embraced such a smart concept!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 25, 2018, 01:58:53 PM
It's a death syndrome. As a 6'5" er my life expectancy  is years less than shorter men. 😱
Is that because @ 6' 5" you are statistically more likely to bump your head...?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on August 25, 2018, 02:13:42 PM
Yamaha Tracer, takes a minute to adjust seat height.

(https://cdn.yamaha-motor.eu/product_assets/2018/mt09trgt/950-75/2018-yamaha-mt09trgt-eu-nimbus-grey-studio-001.jpg)

...........and a lifetime to fix the look of it!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 25, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
...........and a lifetime to fix the look of it!

uhhmm,  yes but I have to say that for all the "Adventure Bikes"- V85 included.  At least the Yammie doesn't have a beak.  it does have integrated touring pack, moderate weight and lot of power.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on August 25, 2018, 03:53:42 PM
It's a road bike period. No off road pretense at all.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 25, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Has anyone ever done that except a few BMW models?

Yamaha Super Tenere and FJR1300.

Triumph Trophy SE and I believe the Tiger Explorer.

Kawasaki at least offers tall and low seats to replace the OEM for many of their models.

Of course Harley will put you on the frame or air you up with the road zeppelin. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 25, 2018, 04:16:18 PM
It's a road bike period. No off road pretense at all.

Most Adventure bikes are at most gravel road and hardpack unless in the hands of a very skilled rider who exercises.

I would have bought a Honda Crosstourer if they would have just put Cruise control on it. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Roebling3 on August 25, 2018, 04:34:42 PM
Depending on where in the night I was, I was always grateful for the bladder tank I added.
Now I wish it was in my pants.  anon. 

There's an outfit that makes rectilinear, injection molded fuel tanks for the adventuresome on mcs. I cannot recall the name. They have special carriers too, for mcs. An easy fit up no doubt,  R3~
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Idontwantapickle on August 25, 2018, 06:11:38 PM
Every now and then I go look back a few years in the threads in the henhouse forum.
It seems that the past is prologue.....

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=74048.0

Be sure to read reply #10
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on August 25, 2018, 06:44:28 PM
Yamaha Tracer, takes a minute to adjust seat height.

(https://cdn.yamaha-motor.eu/product_assets/2018/mt09trgt/950-75/2018-yamaha-mt09trgt-eu-nimbus-grey-studio-001.jpg)

What's the lowest seat height?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 25, 2018, 07:03:02 PM
What's the lowest seat height?

845mm

Highest at 860mm

However I find tracer has the most comfy seat of most of the ADV I sat on.

Quite a bit narrow around the tank where it meets the seat with wide back toward to the butt cheeks area.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 25, 2018, 07:44:46 PM
845mm

Highest at 860mm

However I find tracer has the most comfy seat of most of the ADV I sat on.

Quite a bit narrow around the tank where it meets the seat with wide back toward to the butt cheeks area.

It looks good in person.  If I was still distance riding, it would be on my short list.  Nice upgrade from my Versys 650.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on August 25, 2018, 10:34:51 PM
 I was just goofin.   I'm a huge guy of course regular motorcycles would seem small to me it's sarcasm !👍🏼
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 25, 2018, 10:36:51 PM
I was just goofin.   I'm a huge guy of course regular motorcycles would seem small to me it's sarcasm !👍🏼

lol...if you truly were...it escaped my head by a 1000 miles LOL...

 :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: need more coffee...who knew a baby can poo so much...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on August 26, 2018, 06:58:00 AM


:coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: need more coffee...who knew a baby can poo so much...

Ha ha everyone who has had one lol.

But better that than not.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 26, 2018, 08:59:17 AM
It looks good in person.  If I was still distance riding, it would be on my short list.  Nice upgrade from my Versys 650.

If Yamaha would make one with styling like a Duc SS, it might be something.  No, I am not a fan of "adventure bikes". 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 26, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
If Yamaha would make one with styling like a Duc SS, it might be something.  No, I am not a fan of "adventure bikes".

What they lack in looks they make up for in back roads touring comfort.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Pootle on August 27, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
Check out Guzziriders.org, a British Guzzi forum. In the section called The Bar is a thread headed Oooooo. I saw it, and thought "Ooooo" too.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: HarveyMushman on August 27, 2018, 04:31:59 PM
Has anyone ever done that except a few BMW models?

And the Stelvio . . .
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on August 27, 2018, 06:57:25 PM
If Yamaha would make one with styling like a Duc SS, it might be something.  No, I am not a fan of "adventure bikes".

Technically the Tracer GT, like the FJ09 previous models, are not adventure bikes, but defined as sport touring bikes. While they are a bit tall with wide bars, think flat track or supermoto, they run sport bike size 17" tires front and back, have no bash plate or off road guards and real world street tuned suspension (not track tuned). The motor is tuned for low end torque with a modest low teen red line. And now with a wide variety of ride modes and traction settings, along with electronic cruise control. These are really sporty touring bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 27, 2018, 08:21:53 PM
Technically the Tracer GT, like the FJ09 previous models, are not adventure bikes, but defined as sport touring bikes. While they are a bit tall with wide bars, think flat track or supermoto, they run sport bike size 17" tires front and back, have no bash plate or off road guards and real world street tuned suspension (not track tuned). The motor is tuned for low end torque with a modest low teen red line. And now with a wide variety of ride modes and traction settings, along with electronic cruise control. These are really sporty touring bikes.

yeah, and how is that different from an "Adventure bike"?   (Other than they are ugly and aren't so sporty.)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on August 27, 2018, 09:34:28 PM
yeah, and how is that different from an "Adventure bike"?   (Other than they are ugly and aren't so sporty.)

An Adventure is going to have narrow 19 or 21 inch front tires along with 150 series rear tires. Not sport bike tires like the Tracer. And the tracer has a light weight alloy frame and swing arm instead of a heavy duty trellis type steel frame of an Adventure. The Tracer has a road tuned suspension where an Adventure has a softer longer travel suspension for riding off the pavement. The adventures will also have a 270 twin or something similar for an engine where the Tracer has a sport oriented triple.

Yamaha has the Tenere as its adventure bikes and the Tracer as it’s sport touring bike. There are a lot of differences. The ergos may be similar, but the purpose is totally different.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 27, 2018, 10:05:05 PM
An Adventure is going to have narrow 19 or 21 inch front tires along with 150 series rear tires. Not sport bike tires like the Tracer. And the tracer has a light weight alloy frame and swing arm instead of a heavy duty trellis type steel frame of an Adventure. The Tracer has a road tuned suspension where an Adventure has a softer longer travel suspension for riding off the pavement. The adventures will also have a 270 twin or something similar for an engine where the Tracer has a sport oriented triple.

Yamaha has the Tenere as its adventure bikes and the Tracer as it�s sport touring bike. There are a lot of differences. The ergos may be similar, but the purpose is totally different.

So this makes them ugly and not so sporty?   :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 27, 2018, 10:48:52 PM
Lol...

Well somebody boxed said: all bikes are adventure bikes, it is what and how you do with them makes it adventurous. All other things just helps.

I am not saying 19/21 with knobby doesn't help. I am saying it makes it easier and better.  :thumb:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 28, 2018, 05:21:55 AM
yeah, and how is that different from an "Adventure bike"?   (Other than they are ugly and aren't so sporty.)

'Adventure' bike is the in thing right now.  They are typically upright sitting motorcycles with frame mounted fairings that have better than average suspension travel.  From there they range from sport bike ride quality to dual sport ride quality.  Pick the type of riding you are going to do and pick the bike to do it on.

The Versys 650 is on the sport bike ride quality end of the spectrum and the KLR650 is on the dual sport end of of the spectrum among the offerings from Kawasaki.

Then you get into the larger displacement bikes that are considered 'Adventure Touring' bikes. 

Those that love Adventure bikes would see your bike as outdated or a throwback to the sad past of motorcycling. 

I for one love all motorcycles and would have hundreds of them if I had the means.   :cool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on August 28, 2018, 06:29:26 AM
Being an Engineer type of guy, I think "mechanical purposefulness" is beauty. When I look at a Stelvio or my GS, I see a bike designed to carry loads over unimproved roads to paved to superslab for long distances. The engine, suspension, frame and luggage capacity are all designed to accomplish the task at hand. I think the mechanical end is alluring and enjoy looking at the mechanical design they exhibit. Same for all the other bike in my garage, even the Griso.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: xackley on August 28, 2018, 09:50:07 AM
Wouldn't parts availability and easy access to knowledgeable mechanics be a top priority when choosing an adventure motorcycle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Toecutter on August 28, 2018, 10:00:55 AM
Wouldn't parts availability and easy access to knowledgeable mechanics be a top priority when choosing an adventure motorcycle.

I think a top priority might be the ease of maintenance and simplicity in design. Don't need a web of mechanics, if the machine is reliably built.

But, in my experience, I prefer a combo of both... simple, easy machines, with good support. If I had to skew in one direction or the other, I'd pick the one that's easy to work and has less to go wrong.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 28, 2018, 10:56:06 AM
I think "adventure" is the eye of the beholder.   :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bmp72 on August 28, 2018, 11:58:16 AM
 :copcar:fLooks nice in blue too

https://moto-station.com/moto-revue/actu/scoop-moto-guzzi-v85-photos-infos-et-1er-test-officielles/400631

The pictures show a 2 valve engine...same bore and stroke as the v9, but with 80nm (?) torque and 80hp at 8400 rpm
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on August 28, 2018, 12:11:18 PM
It's not going to make anywhere close to 80hp. Doesn't mean it won't be a nice thing to ride but it will be eviscerated in the press if it doesn't make the right, or even the suggested, numbers and to make that sort of power it would have to be reving at 10,000 rpm plus.

It's a 2V pushrod motor. It would have to be fueled by some pretty special unicorn farts to make anything close.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 28, 2018, 12:17:17 PM
It's not going to make anywhere close to 80hp. Doesn't mean it won't be a nice thing to ride but it will be eviscerated in the press if it doesn't make the right, or even the suggested, numbers and to make that sort of power it would have to be reving at 10,000 rpm plus.

It's a 2V pushrod motor. It would have to be fueled by some pretty special unicorn farts to make anything close.

Yeah, my Aero engine makes a whopping 50 hp on the dyno, and it doesn't have any pollution controls. Admittedly, it has a mild (V65) cam, but it's hard for me to see another 30 hp lurking in there.  :smiley:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rick in WNY on August 28, 2018, 02:38:49 PM
Yeah, my Aero engine makes a whopping 50 hp on the dyno, and it doesn't have any pollution controls. Admittedly, it has a mild (V65) cam, but it's hard for me to see another 30 hp lurking in there.  :smiley:

Well, let's think about the Honda Civic for a moment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine#B16B_.28Type_R.29

The high-zoot B16B engine was 1.6 liters and produced 182 HP at 8200 RPMs... in a mass produced engine designed in the early 90s.
The specific power output is 113 HP per liter...  if the Italians duplicated that in an 850CC motor they'd be getting 96 and change HP, so I see 80HP being entirely doable.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 28, 2018, 03:05:29 PM
I am skeptical of 80HP but they say it's going to be pretty peppy bike. 

https://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088

The bottom end is based on the V9 but with lighter and stronger components and semi-dry sump, titanium intake valve, different valve geometry, bigger throttle body, improved electronics.  They claim 80hp vs 55 for the V9 and meets euro 4.  No water cooling or multi or OH cams.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on August 28, 2018, 03:27:08 PM
Well, let's think about the Honda Civic for a moment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine#B16B_.28Type_R.29

The high-zoot B16B engine was 1.6 liters and produced 182 HP at 8200 RPMs... in a mass produced engine designed in the early 90s.
The specific power output is 113 HP per liter...  if the Italians duplicated that in an 850CC motor they'd be getting 96 and change HP, so I see 80HP being entirely doable.

But the V in V85 doesn't stand for VTEC! ;)

I don't doubt it could be the most powerful small block Guzzi ever, and I will probably like it, but I'm skeptical of the numbers and as Pete said that could have repercussions with stat sheet obsessed magazines and buyers out there.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on August 28, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
I think some of you are a bit jaded, rightfully so I suspect.  But I wonder out loud how Guzzi could still saying 80hp, if it were not at least close.  First we are talking 80 crank hp, if we knock 15% off which is not unrealistic for drive line loss we are down to 68hp at the wheel.  The run of the mill v9 puts out 53hp at the wheel, so somehow they are going to need to pick up something like 15hp.   Getting 15hp more does sound like a tall order, but a lot easier than trying to figure out how to get 30!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Scud on August 28, 2018, 09:43:38 PM
FWIW - my 700cc Husqvarna thumper puts out 70 hp. I find 80 hp from an 850 twin believable.

From the V11 LeMans site: this magazine has the V85 on the cover and promises a ride report.

https://www.motociclismo.it/gallery/moto-scooter/moto-guzzi-v85tt-2019-foto-test-motociclismo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on August 28, 2018, 10:04:14 PM
So this makes them ugly and not so sporty?   :grin:

Ugly is in the eyes of the beholder. What I do know is they are more capable when the tarmac ends and the gravel begins and I like that versatility.  :thumb:

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on August 28, 2018, 10:55:59 PM
FWIW - my 700cc Husqvarna thumper puts out 70 hp.

No, I'm sorry, it doesn't.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on August 28, 2018, 11:24:11 PM
No, I'm sorry, it doesn't.

https://www.cycleworld.com/2018-husqvarna-vitpilen-701-dyno (https://www.cycleworld.com/2018-husqvarna-vitpilen-701-dyno)

Slightly more in actuality, 71 RWHP at 8200 RPM.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/nL9B8U/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nL9B8U)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on August 28, 2018, 11:52:37 PM
(Sigh.) OK.

As an addendum, right at this moment if I was looking for a new bike the Husky has my name all over it. Having said that I'd no more believe in 71HP than I would in Unicorns or Faeries.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bmp72 on August 29, 2018, 01:28:08 AM
I am skeptical of 80HP but they say it's going to be pretty peppy bike. 

https://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088

The bottom end is based on the V9 but with lighter and stronger components and semi-dry sump, titanium intake valve, different valve geometry, bigger throttle body, improved electronics.  They claim 80hp vs 55 for the V9 and meets euro 4.  No water cooling or multi or OH cams.

The last question and answer are about a road model based on this engine, "yes, we are working on a road model that already today rides very, very well"  :drool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on August 29, 2018, 02:45:24 AM
I asked our host daughter in Italia to call Agostini in Mandello to ask about the availability of the V85 and  this is what the she was told

“the bike will be officially announced  at EICMA 2018 in November in Milan. The bike will be sold starting from February at the price of 11.000 €.”

This is pretty much in line with what they’vebeen Indicating all along. First time I’ve seen a price.

Cheers
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 29, 2018, 04:06:08 AM
I asked our host daughter in Italia to call Agostini in Mandello to ask about the availability of the V85 and  this is what the she was told

�the bike will be officially announced  at EICMA 2018 in November in Milan. The bike will be sold starting from February at the price of 11.000 �.�

This is pretty much in line with what they�vebeen Indicating all along. First time I�ve seen a price.

Cheers
Anyone want my Mk 2 Le Mans..?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on August 29, 2018, 05:51:00 AM
Not that it's particularly important, but as I've said before the air-cooled, 2V 696 was originally rated at 79 hp @ 9k rpm, at the crank of course which translates into a very nice ~67 rwhp.

Ducati did later, under pressure from the EU revise it to 74 crank....


Still, I continue to predict this will make something around 60 rwhp which should be delightful. (At least I think that's what I was predicting - Huzo - let me know).

But as usual, I'm the optimist.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on August 29, 2018, 09:34:16 AM
In an earlier post I estimated 62 RWHP for the V85 engine based on the output of the last high performance 2V cylinder done by Guzzi in the mid-90s.  Given that there is now some evidence that they've fiddled hard with lightweight valves and cam timing, I think it could be slightly more when independently tested by Cycle World or similar on a rolling road dyno, as per the 71 HP Husqvarna test above.  Not more than 65 RWHP.

A (quite durable) 1064 cc V11 Sport makes about 78 RWHP with a pushrod 2V per cylinder air cooled engine.  I'd guess the power output of this might be something like 850/1064 * 78 = 62 RWHP.   The lack of any torque reaction linkage would probably be limiting with any more power than that in any case.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on August 29, 2018, 09:47:27 AM
Not that it's particularly important, but as I've said before the air-cooled, 2V 696 was originally rated at 79 hp @ 9k rpm, at the crank of course which translates into a very nice ~67 rwhp.

It's amazing what they've done with the small 2V Pantah engine when you consider the same basic design with 750 cc made 53 RWHP in an F1 or Paso in the late 80s.  That's a roughly 25% increase in power with less displacement and almost as good as a carburated SV650 Suzuki (68 RWHP).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on August 29, 2018, 11:09:20 AM
Not that it's particularly important, but as I've said before the air-cooled, 2V 696 was originally rated at 79 hp @ 9k rpm, at the crank of course which translates into a very nice ~67 rwhp.

Ducati did later, under pressure from the EU revise it to 74 crank....


Still, I continue to predict this will make something around 60 rwhp which should be delightful. (At least I think that's what I was predicting - Huzo - let me know).

But as usual, I'm the optimist.
As already said, about 10% loss from the crank to the wheel is acceptable, it's what the dynos that measure the dispersion indicates. The last new engines unveiled by Moto Guzzi obtained even a little more (V9, 55ps claimed at the crank, 51ps obtained at the wheel. 12008V, 110ps claimed at the crank, 102ps obtained at the wheel. V7III, 52ps claimed at the crank, 50ps obtained at the wheel.
80ps at the crank, that translates to 72ps at the wheel would be quite an acievement for a 850, 2V, air cooled, Euro4 engine. But I don't see why they should have chosen to lie now.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on August 29, 2018, 05:32:23 PM
As already said, about 10% loss from the crank to the wheel is acceptable, it's what the dynos that measure the dispersion indicates. The last new engines unveiled by Moto Guzzi obtained even a little more (V9, 55ps claimed at the crank, 51ps obtained at the wheel. 12008V, 110ps claimed at the crank, 102ps obtained at the wheel. V7III, 52ps claimed at the crank, 50ps obtained at the wheel.
80ps at the crank, that translates to 72ps at the wheel would be quite an acievement for a 850, 2V, air cooled, Euro4 engine. But I don't see why they should have chosen to lie now.
And when your doing 88 the speedo will read 100  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on August 29, 2018, 06:12:44 PM
And when your doing 88 the speedo will read 100  :grin:

On my Griso, if I'm going 95 the speedo reads 100. Maybe it's only losing 5% HP from the crank to the wheel.   :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on August 29, 2018, 07:51:24 PM
So much blather, little facts.  :laugh:

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 29, 2018, 09:43:59 PM
Not long now kids..
As Dorothy said.. "We're almost there..!"
Then all that's left is a compilation of the comments that have been posted from when the V 85 was first mooted.
"I'll believe it when I see it", is a personal favourite, and a beautifully succinct statement of the bleedin' obvious.

Let's see now.... who was that..?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on August 29, 2018, 09:59:16 PM
Presumably me? Still not seeing anything on shop floors which was my disclaimer.

So far we've had one 'Review' from a partisan Italian magazine of a 300km test ride. Nothing is really known still about the 'New Bit' which is the engine really apart from the fact it's a 2V pushrod engine with roller tappets and a scavenged sump. It's using the same TB and, (Probably.) ECU as the Cali 14 and associated canbus and electronics.

As I keep saying, I hope it will be a huge success but I think they're over-egging the cake.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Scud on August 29, 2018, 10:48:09 PM
(Sigh.) OK.

As an addendum, right at this moment if I was looking for a new bike the Husky has my name all over it. Having said that I'd no more believe in 71HP than I would in Unicorns or Faeries.

My 701 engine is in the Enduro model, but I think the engine is the same in Vitpilen. I believe the 70hp every time I whack the throttle open. My rear tire (TKC 80) also believes the HP number and is going to give up the ghost at 2,000 miles. I simply cannot keep my hand out of the throttle.  I feel like a fairy riding a unicorn.

:evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 29, 2018, 11:38:56 PM
Presumably me? Still not seeing anything on shop floors which was my disclaimer.

So far we've had one 'Review' from a partisan Italian magazine of a 300km test ride. Nothing is really known still about the 'New Bit' which is the engine really apart from the fact it's a 2V pushrod engine with roller tappets and a scavenged sump. It's using the same TB and, (Probably.) ECU as the Cali 14 and associated canbus and electronics.

As I keep saying, I hope it will be a huge success but I think they're over-egging the cake.

Pete
Yeah Pete you have harboured healthy scepticism from the start, but the quote belongs to someone from the other side of the Pacific if memory serves.
I don't have enough knowledge to know what's good or bad, but if the bloke/s that know reckon the design is sound, I don't care if it's got one valve per cylinder and pushrods coming out the blurter.
If you say the design is basically solid..
I'm having one and riding it to London..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on August 29, 2018, 11:46:34 PM
A courageous move. I applaud you.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 29, 2018, 11:49:55 PM
I will stand corrected on this, but I was at the Castro 2Hr for what I think was the world 's first public look at the mighty Honda CBX.
Does it follow that  the V 85 has to turn a wheel publicly in Italy first ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 30, 2018, 12:46:07 AM
A courageous move. I applaud you.
What, riding to London or taking your advice ?
Also I'd hold off on the applause, my act may not have a strong finish..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: John A on August 30, 2018, 10:01:45 AM
As long as it doesn't use the same clutch designed for a 350 cc engine Id like  one in red.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on August 30, 2018, 12:39:58 PM
I don't care if it's 70 or 80 bhp at top
If it really has peak torque at 3; peak power at 8,500 I will buy one.
I may be the only one here but spread is the attraction, flat torque.
Doubt I would ever hold 8500 for more than a few seconds, others may need max speed, not I
Just wish we could have RoW version, no abs,tc etc etc, weight of V50 or less
Euro 4 or 5 version for Europe, lightweight one without the bollox would be cheap to build, one disc at front enough. Just for US and Aus etc
But I'm sorely tempted to buy anyway, deal with the haircut afterwards
Test ride when possible
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on August 31, 2018, 04:37:52 PM
(https://image.ibb.co/hxmovK/DOC_2018_8_31_0001_1.jpg)
During the test, the journalist of "Motociclismo" was escorted by some guy of the Piaggio Group, all in pre-series V85TT.
From left to right:
Nicolò Codognola - journalist
Mauro Salvador - Performance Engineering Manager
Roberto Calò - former Product Development Manager
Antonio Cappellini - Product Development Director
Marco Lambri - Design Center Director.
Federico Aliverti - Director of "Motociclismo"
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 01, 2018, 12:16:26 AM
As long as it doesn't use the same clutch designed for a 350 cc engine Id like  one in red.
I will be seriously considering immediate dismantling and having the frame done in Anthracite grey as in Ducati monster etc..
And the tank and panels in proper Guzzi Red.
The black will need to come off the engine as well.
Bugger that Ronald McDonald look. Looks like poached eggs swimming in tomato sauce.
Would make you chunder if you had a hangover.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on September 01, 2018, 05:27:46 AM
I will be seriously considering immediate dismantling and having the frame done in Anthracite grey as in Ducati monster etc..
And the tank and panels in proper Guzzi Red.
The black will need to come off the engine as well.
Bugger that Ronald McDonald look. Looks like poached eggs swimming in tomato sauce.
Would make you chunder if you had a hangover.

I do hope it comes in some plain colours..I could be tempted if it comes in the blue like the photoshoped image doing the rounds.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 01, 2018, 06:09:20 AM
I do hope it comes in some plain colours..I could be tempted if it comes in the blue like the photoshoped image doing the rounds.
Touche'
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 01, 2018, 07:38:24 AM

Bugger that Ronald McDonald look. Looks like poached eggs swimming in tomato sauce.
 

Looks like a Paris-Dakar rally bike.  I'm just glad to see that Guzzi can still paint motorcycles.  Three color paint scheme is nice.  I'm sure they'll have some solid colors, but I like this rally-inspired scheme, myself.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on September 01, 2018, 07:55:35 AM
I have already figured on re-powder coating my frame if it is red and I am OK with that.  I usually tear a bike down when I get it to inspect bearing grease (never on a Guzzi), Location of wires that might chafe, and Anti seize or Loctite all fastners depending.  Huzo, the Anthracite is the color I had already picked as well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 01, 2018, 09:17:39 AM
Looks like a Paris-Dakar rally bike.  I'm just glad to see that Guzzi can still paint motorcycles.  Three color paint scheme is nice.  I'm sure they'll have some solid colors, but I like this rally-inspired scheme, myself.

The styling is a direct copy of the 1985 P-D bike, obviously that was the concept, and the V85 name  is a reference to the year... They're now finishing up with 70s retro and moving on to the 80s.  I'd like something 2020 that draws upon creativity and taste of the guy who created it in the here and now. Values carried forward is one thing, although a difficult thing for Piaggio which doesn't share much with Guzzi in that regard, but rehashing old designs is another.  I think however it's proven to be the best Piaggio can do, which is sad to me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 01, 2018, 03:36:19 PM
Looks like a Paris-Dakar rally bike.  I'm just glad to see that Guzzi can still paint motorcycles.  Three color paint scheme is nice.  I'm sure they'll have some solid colors, but I like this rally-inspired scheme, myself.
Well that is all that matters.
I hope they sell zillions of them.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 01, 2018, 03:50:39 PM
It has already been said that there will be two striped colors (the yellow one and a red one) and some solid one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on September 03, 2018, 05:05:11 PM
It has already been said that there will be two striped colors (the yellow one and a red one) and some solid one.

Red frame & icky green tank....pleeeeze
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 03, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
PRESUMING the V85 is introduced with a red frame and NOT offered in a solid color I will still seriously consider buying one but would have to factor in a partial re-paint. Dogwalker's picture does show what appears to be a couple solid grey/black versions in the background so there's hope for us more subdued types.

To my taste, a red frame requires matching red pant or a more neutral color to accentuate it like silver or grey. Ducati did a red frame / dark grey on the Monster
(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.dealerspike.com%2Fimglib%2Fv1%2F800x600%2Fimglib%2Ftrimsdb%2F4910261-0-18613481.jpg&f=1)

Also like this V7 Racer color scheme
(https://www.morebikes.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Moto-Guzzi-V7-II-Racer_34dx.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 04, 2018, 06:16:00 AM
They said the frame will be red in all the versions.
However, all shown until now are pre-production models, there is time to change mind.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 04, 2018, 06:22:59 PM
However, all shown until now are pre-production models, there is time to change mind.

Never sure what Guzzi will deliver until it's in the showroom. Nothing says US will get all colors either but one can hope. Certainly something to anticipate.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 04, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
Shamelessly stolen from another site..
(https://www.v11lemans.com/forums/uploads/post-7543-0-09762600-1536030330_thumb.jpeg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Recht on September 06, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
(https://c.ndtvimg.com/pr9vcnq8_moto-guzzi-v85-production-model_625x300_05_September_18.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Toecutter on September 06, 2018, 12:29:54 PM
I hate "flashy" bikes. Just not my thing.

The chrome and red of the racer? Way too much for me.

Red frames? No thank you.

Give me a V85 that looks like it will survive the apocalypse. Give me a black frame and a couple tank/fender options. Make it look like a motorcycle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rainrider on September 06, 2018, 12:38:11 PM
I think it will look just fine with some dirt on it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on September 06, 2018, 04:39:45 PM
PRESUMING the V85 is introduced with a red frame and NOT offered in a solid color I will still seriously consider buying one but would have to factor in a partial re-paint. Dogwalker's picture does show what appears to be a couple solid grey/black versions in the background so there's hope for us more subdued types.

To my taste, a red frame requires matching red pant or a more neutral color to accentuate it like silver or grey.

Like this....

(https://silodrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Moto-Guzzi-V7-Sport-1.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on September 07, 2018, 05:15:48 PM
Like this....

(https://silodrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Moto-Guzzi-V7-Sport-1.jpg)

That does look nice indeed. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 08, 2018, 10:56:56 AM
"What a looker indeed..."  :thumb: :cool: :smiley:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cURHPp/Screen_Shot_2018_09_08_at_8_53_39_AM.png) (https://ibb.co/cURHPp)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on September 08, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
"What a looker indeed..."  :thumb: :cool: :smiley:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cURHPp/Screen_Shot_2018_09_08_at_8_53_39_AM.png) (https://ibb.co/cURHPp)


She is a beauty for sure...

right now I am waiting for that center stand and crash bar provision :P

like...where are they gonna go on
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on September 09, 2018, 07:16:55 AM
https://auto.ndtv.com/news/2019-moto-guzzi-v85-adventure-bike-revealed-in-photos-1911651

Steven Rossi
CT-RI MGNOC State Rep.
East Haddam, CT
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 09, 2018, 07:23:33 AM
THX
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 09, 2018, 08:44:50 AM
The engine comes from the Moto Guzzi Roamer and Bobber models, so it's the same 853 cc, lateral v-twin engine, which will put out around 80 bhp at 8,400 rpm and peak torque of 80 Nm at 3,400 rpm.

Ummm yeah my understanding is the roamer or bobber don't make 80hp no matter the height of the C17 you push it out of. Although you would be hoping with the relatively new motor int he Roamer and Bobber there was room for development.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 09, 2018, 10:37:49 AM
I’ll take one in blue.  This is gonna sell like hot cakes!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 09, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
I'll have a red one, washed and brought to my tent please...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lumpy Idle on September 09, 2018, 02:05:05 PM
everyone will have a different opinion about bike colors - that's why god made chocolate and pistachio. i have a yellow 1100 sporti and i think that this is by far the best color for these bikes. many others (the majority) will say that the ONLY color for these bikes is the red.

i really like the looks of the v85. i want one. looking at this color lineup it is clear to me that, for my taste, the ONLY color is the white with yellow. the blue bike with the red frame looks like it was a salvage vehicle where the owner bought the blue bits off of a wreck at the yard. it is a freakish mismatch. the green bike with the red frame is not as glaringly out of sorts but it still suffers from a weird tank to frame color mismatch.

how could they have gotten it so wrong?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 09, 2018, 03:06:32 PM
It has indeed become a strange world
The colours of the superfluous plastics are far more important than the technical pieces
Wow
I want to ride the thing, colours be damned, give me the mumbo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 09, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
It has indeed become a strange world
The colours of the superfluous plastics are far more important than the technical pieces
Wow
I want to ride the thing, colours be damned, give me the mumbo

We didn’t say that.  If it’s a performer, the aesthetics are a bonus.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 09, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
everyone will have a different opinion about bike colors -


how could they have gotten it so wrong?

*colour :P considering of the three pictures only the yellow white and black is real and the other two are simply a figment of a graphic designers imagination and some pixels on a screen. The real thing will probably come down to whatever they have left over in the spray gun from whatever they were spraying last.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lumpy Idle on September 09, 2018, 04:53:01 PM
... The real thing will probably come down to whatever they have left over in the spray gun from whatever they were spraying last.

HAH! yes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 09, 2018, 05:01:39 PM
The engine comes from the Moto Guzzi Roamer and Bobber models, so it's the same 853 cc, lateral v-twin engine, which will put out around 80 bhp at 8,400 rpm and peak torque of 80 Nm at 3,400 rpm.

Ummm yeah my understanding is the roamer or bobber don't make 80hp no matter the height of the C17 you push it out of. Although you would be hoping with the relatively new motor int he Roamer and Bobber there was room for development.

Big debate about this...so what is the REAL horsepower number...???? 50 HP??  60 HP??  Other??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NC Steve on September 09, 2018, 05:07:51 PM
Personally, I prefer this white version followed by the red.
The all black bike is ok too, but needs something to break up or brighten it, and not a red frame!


(https://thumb.ibb.co/eGir29/white_v85_jpg_2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eGir29)




(https://thumb.ibb.co/iB8r29/V85_Red.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iB8r29)

al no3 3 (https://aluminumsulfate.net/aluminum-nitrate)



(https://thumb.ibb.co/fA27aU/black_v85.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fA27aU)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 09, 2018, 05:25:58 PM
Is this correct?!? :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: 

Does 55 HP seem a little...."anemic" to everyone, or it is just me? :huh: :huh: :huh:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/hBGEpp/Screen_Shot_2018_09_09_at_3_22_50_PM.png) (https://ibb.co/hBGEpp)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lumpy Idle on September 09, 2018, 05:36:35 PM
riding positions:

although i am getting fairly long in the tooth i am still ok with my sporti's barking-dog-yoga position. i would welcome another option like the v85's upright  position: that of a, uh...zen-master-sitting-in-a-chair-reading-a-newspaper-yoga pose.

weight:

as far as practicality in the dirt i wouldn't mind sacrificing 200 cc's  if it would shed 100 pounds off the bike weight. yes, i realize that there is no 650 cc box of biscotti in the guzzi pantry. for me anything to do with with off-road or ADV means lighter weight. i had a bicycle accident last year and broke my wrist. the bike weighs in at 25 pounds. i did a face plant over the bars and the bike came down on my wrist. for me, the idea of riding a heavy bike in the dirt is unimaginable.

the sport does a nice job of canyon crawling for me and i wouldn't expect the v85 to serve as a suitable replacement but the sport sucks in the commute and its not really any kind of tourer unless you have a deep and unfulfilled need for both mobility and masochism.  the v85 would be a more reasonable substitute.

for me then the v85 would not be be a suitable off-road bike but it would serve to fill the bill as a tourer, an around town putterer and a commute bike. that ticks off a lot of bullet points on the check list.

yellow and white please.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 09, 2018, 06:08:36 PM
I’ll take one in blue.  This is gonna sell like hot cakes!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180909/bf03b472d9daf658b349a8d061dad7e4.jpg)

Really?!?

I was always a blue bike whore, but that just looks weird.

If I was to take one as they appear in that article I think I'd go green.


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180909/d5d3424659d49ba47edf09c9167eb4f5.jpg)

Or otherwise I would probably prefer white, but I'd have to paint over the horrid yellow.


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180909/1b3ebcfa8fc8402dbc346cb71d1de02b.jpg)


That said this probably just isn't my style of bike. I can't stand the front fender, don't like spokes, and don't need those tires.

Still I like the functionality, the red frame, the dual discs, and that integrated luggage rack is divine.

A more classic street going model would be more up my alley.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 09, 2018, 06:13:44 PM
Apparently they're photo shop colors anyway. But I do like the red frame.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on September 09, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
Doesn’t matter what color they are cause they will be faded by the time they get to the USA.🤓😅😂
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Litre1000 on September 09, 2018, 08:09:47 PM
It shouldn’t be so tough for them to get 80+ hp from a motor this size[emoji848]


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 09, 2018, 08:14:33 PM
Waiting, waiting, waiting
 :food: :food: :food:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TOMB on September 09, 2018, 08:44:24 PM
FoR Color , how about this . Think of a 1000 S black with green frame and Stripes beautiful bike
TOMB
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 09, 2018, 09:04:16 PM
I'll probably buy one regardless of color. Like my V7 III but more power and better suspension would be welcome IF it doesn't weigh a ton. The only thing these garish colors will dictate is how quickly the bodywork gets repainted.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 10, 2018, 02:43:37 AM
It shouldn�t be so tough for them to get 80+ hp from a motor this size[emoji848]


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Yes it will.

It will undoubtably make more power than the V9 series but IMHO little of this will be due to anything *Newish* in the engine per-se but it does have a sodding great big 50mm throttle body rather than the 30? Mm stranglometer on th V9!

It's still a pushrod twin though with a heap of emissions controls. It won't be within cooee of 80hp.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2018, 05:52:57 AM
Waiting, waiting, waiting
 :food: :food: :food:
You can ride mine Paul..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 10, 2018, 06:47:53 AM
Waiting, waiting, waiting
 :food: :food: :food:

I'm still waiting for the Ippo..  :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on September 10, 2018, 10:02:17 AM
Nut'n new here, move on, ……... it's just more speculation.   :popcorn:

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 10, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
The official web site claims 80HP for the v85TT  Much better photos to see of the production bike there as well.
http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 10, 2018, 10:40:24 AM
The official web site claims 80HP for the v85TT  Much better photos to see of the production bike there as well.
http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/

Yeah very good pics - and it looks GREAT. Fit and finish look fantastic.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 10, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
Yeah very good pics - and it looks GREAT. Fit and finish look fantastic.

+1

I signed up for the test ride alerts. :) Looks really nice in those pictures.

I hope the green and red one comes to reality!

-Joe
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on September 10, 2018, 11:46:34 AM
Interesting dash. Too bad that wouldn't plug-n-play with the ole Breva.  There are some interesting little icons on it.

(http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/assets/images/gallery/Moto_Gallery_4.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on September 10, 2018, 12:19:54 PM
About the motor
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motociclismo.it%2Fmoto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088&edit-text=
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lumpy Idle on September 10, 2018, 12:57:17 PM
interesting article. not to bury the lead but in the middle of the article he mentions, as an aside, that they are developing a water-cooled, 4-valve plant.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rainrider on September 10, 2018, 02:24:23 PM
Interesting dash. Too bad that wouldn't plug-n-play with the ole Breva.  There are some interesting little icons on it.

(http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/assets/images/gallery/Moto_Gallery_4.jpg)

Looking at the bottom of that image, it's weird that they spelled "Piaggio" wrong.

Oh, wait, "pioggia" is Italian for "rain". I guess that one is for me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 10, 2018, 06:54:07 PM
I'm still waiting for the Ippo..  :evil:

Either you have dropped an "h" and the V85 is grossly overweight ... or .... I don't know what an "Ippo" is ?

 :undecided:  :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: john fish on September 10, 2018, 07:19:46 PM
It has indeed become a strange world
The colours of the superfluous plastics are far more important than the technical pieces
Wow
I want to ride the thing, colours be damned, give me the mumbo

Plus one.  This thing can be great for the company or just a poseur waste.  Hell with the colors (and the hp numbers), let me see what it can actually do.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 10, 2018, 07:27:47 PM
Either you have dropped an "h" and the V85 is grossly overweight ... or .... I don't know what an "Ippo" is ?

 :undecided:  :laugh:
IppoGrifo. Mid 90s. Had the Aero engine, 6 speed transmission eventually used in the V11S, Monoshock. It was in the dealer's brochures. They never built it. Must have been afraid of success.  :evil:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/76/1a/ee/761aee89ccab3b35ad1c7c15e9b7db4b.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on September 10, 2018, 07:36:19 PM
Interesting.  Says engine will be used in other models.   :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 10, 2018, 07:40:03 PM
IppoGrifo. Mid 90s. Had the Aero engine, 6 speed transmission eventually used in the V11S, Monoshock. It was in the dealer's brochures. They never built it. Must have been afraid of success.  :evil:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/76/1a/ee/761aee89ccab3b35ad1c7c15e9b7db4b.jpg)

Thanks

first time I've seen that one.

If you whacked a V7 tank on it and leveled the tank out (More horizontal) it would be a good looking bike,


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 10, 2018, 07:45:36 PM
Quote
If you whacked a V7 tank on it and leveled the tank out (More horizontal) it would be a good looking bike,
Yes, that tank was an unfortunate styling cue.. but dang! Aero engine, monoshock, 6 speed? It would have sold like free beer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 10, 2018, 07:47:00 PM
Yes, that tank was an unfortunate styling cue.. but dang! Aero engine, monoshock, 6 speed? It would have sold like free beer.

Do you have more specs or thoughts on the "Aero" engine .... as I said I haven't seen (or heard) of that before?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 10, 2018, 07:47:39 PM
I would expect to see a new Lemans with the same engine (not the aero).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 10, 2018, 08:19:30 PM
Do you have more specs or thoughts on the "Aero" engine .... as I said I haven't seen (or heard) of that before?

answered my own question  (Thanks to the search function)

https://www.cycleworld.com/moto-guzzi-v9-motorcycle-engine-history-and-evolution?src=offramp&loc=region-3&lnk=img#page-6

I now can make the link as to what an "Aero" engine is

 :tongue: :violent1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on September 10, 2018, 08:24:36 PM
Personally, I prefer this white version followed by the red.
The all black bike is ok too, but needs something to break up or brighten it, and not a red frame!

(https://thumb.ibb.co/eGir29/white_v85_jpg_2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eGir29)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/iB8r29/V85_Red.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iB8r29)

al no3 3 (https://aluminumsulfate.net/aluminum-nitrate)


(https://thumb.ibb.co/fA27aU/black_v85.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fA27aU)


IMO, the first two are snappy but I'd buy the black one, needs a silver frame.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JeffOlson on September 11, 2018, 10:12:09 AM
Please put together a more street-oriented version!

I generally like what I am seeing, except for the beak. I can't stand beaks, but I really like the red frame...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on September 11, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
I view beaks as redundant. An extension under the headlight on bikes that have fenders closer to the wheel. This just has a high fender like most off road bikes have. Unbolt it from the triple tree and mount it closer to the wheel. Hardly a deal breaker.
I am more curious how 12K euros will translate to dollars. In the past it hasn't followed strict currency levels. More like a 1 to 1 instead of the current 1 to 1.2.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 11, 2018, 10:38:14 AM
I view beaks as redundant. An extension under the headlight on bikes that have fenders closer to the wheel. This just has a high fender like most off road bikes have. Unbolt it from the triple tree and mount it closer to the wheel. Hardly a deal breaker.

But the shape of the beak/fender still sucks if you're not interested in that adventure bike look.

And there are some other styling cues at other points on the bodywork that I don't like same as the beak.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on September 11, 2018, 10:46:44 AM
Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
You guys that want a standard or cafe racer with this motor will just have to wait.
Guzzi blew it with the V9. The styling killed it.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 11, 2018, 11:00:37 AM
Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
You guys that want a standard or cafe racer with this motor will just have to wait.
Guzzi blew it with the V9. The styling killed it.

Pete

Oh, I don't WANT an ADV bike.

I wouldn't mind an upgraded smallblock with USD forks and dual discs though.

My interest in this bike is:

* I hope it is wildly successful for the brand
* I hope that success prompts more road going variants on the same chassis.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on September 11, 2018, 11:02:59 AM
I view beaks as redundant. An extension under the headlight on bikes that have fenders closer to the wheel. This just has a high fender like most off road bikes have. Unbolt it from the triple tree and mount it closer to the wheel. Hardly a deal breaker.


Pete
The beak serves to put downward pressure on the front wheel to improve stability at speed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on September 11, 2018, 11:33:03 AM
Quote
Interesting.  Says engine will be used in other models.

I can't wait to see what other style bikes will use this motor...   :clock:   
Of course,  I'm wanting it in a modern naked standard.  Not an ADV, not a retro, not a throwback.   I might put the Capo on the block if a comfy 2up-able, non-fairing model was to appear.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on September 11, 2018, 01:21:05 PM
$14,000.00?!!!!!  For only $2,000 more to get a 1400CC Stelvio.  That would be an easy decision to me.

But, I hope they sell a truckload of them. I really do.  Maybe this is the new bike they need to get non-Guzzi people interested and making the switch. I hope so.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 11, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
Where did you get $14k?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: swooshdave on September 11, 2018, 02:40:41 PM
Ummm yeah my understanding is the roamer or bobber don't make 80hp no matter the height of the C17 you push it out of. Although you would be hoping with the relatively new motor int he Roamer and Bobber there was room for development.

I see the horsepower calculator at Moto Guzzi is still working the same as when the original LeMans 850 was released.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on September 11, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

Either you have dropped an "h" and the V85 is grossly overweight ... or .... I don't know what an "Ippo" is ?

More info...Chuck found an Aero engine that was military surplus and installed it in a small block frame.  This was much more complicated than it sounds.  He's too modest to bring this up but it was quite an engineering job.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on September 11, 2018, 03:33:33 PM
Oh, I don't WANT an ADV bike.

I wouldn't mind an upgraded smallblock with USD forks and dual discs though.

My interest in this bike is:

* I hope it is wildly successful for the brand
* I hope that success prompts more road going variants on the same chassis.

Then this is NOT the bike for you.  :shocked:

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 11, 2018, 04:41:02 PM
Then this is NOT the bike for you.  :shocked:

Paul
Right, that was never in doubt.

In case you're having problems keeping up I was talking about what I like about it and what I don't, and what I hope comes next on the chassis.

Ya know, trying to be positive and all that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 11, 2018, 07:09:33 PM
Is this correct?!? :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: 

Does 55 HP seem a little...."anemic" to everyone, or it is just me? :huh: :huh: :huh:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/hBGEpp/Screen_Shot_2018_09_09_at_3_22_50_PM.png) (https://ibb.co/hBGEpp)


Considering that the klr650 travels the world with only 35 hp or so I'd say that 55 HP is pretty damn good!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on September 11, 2018, 07:21:42 PM
$14,000.00?!!!!!  For only $2,000 more to get a 1400CC Stelvio.  That would be an easy decision to me.

But, I hope they sell a truckload of them. I really do.  Maybe this is the new bike they need to get non-Guzzi people interested and making the switch. I hope so.

Not saying right or wrong either way, but seems "about" in line...(and most of these below have "destination charges" with them as well)
Triumph Tiger 800 - varies between base price of 12k all the way to near 16k for XLT
Suzuki Vstrom 1000 - 12,999 base, 13,299 for XT
KTM 1090 Adventure - 14.699 base
Kawasaki Versys 1000 - 12,999 base
BMW 800GS - base 12,299 for 2017 model, not sure on '18.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 11, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
I don’t buy a NEW Guzzi (2 so far) for its resale value.  I buy it because I LIKE it.  If you wanna wait a few years until they’re giving them away, have at it.  I’ll be enjoying mine long before that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 11, 2018, 08:04:17 PM
Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
You guys that want a standard or cafe racer with this motor will just have to wait.
Guzzi blew it with the V9. The styling killed it.

Pete

Whatever the Stelvio is or is not, I've seen a guy ride circles around several top notch naked street bikes.  Enough so to make them look foolish.  With the right pilot that overweight bike can embarrass almost anything in the twisties.
But, I digress............ ...........
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 11, 2018, 08:55:05 PM
Whatever the Stelvio is or is not, I've seen a guy ride circles around several top notch naked street bikes.  Enough so to make them look foolish.  With the right pilot that overweight bike can embarrass almost anything in the twisties.
But, I digress............ ...........

Firstly  I am NOT the greatest rider ... (Doubtful that Id even qualify as the "right Pilot") .. But

Constantly amazed how easily I can keep up with the Hill's Kamikaze HSZHZ1000's when I am riding in the hills on my Stelvio (with Dual Purpose tyres)
I guess they must all be having a bad day  :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 11, 2018, 09:00:52 PM
I remember back in the 90's there were guys on GSs embarrassing guys on more sporting mounts on the track and street.

Now I'm sure rider skill had something to do with it or we'd see GSs in races right.

But I think physics might have something to do with it as well. A combination of tall center of gravity makes for greater lean angles AND less of a need right? Wouldn't the effect be like a lever, more force with less lean on the end of a longer lever?

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 11, 2018, 09:07:55 PM
I remember back in the 90's there were guys on GSs embarrassing guys on more sporting mounts on the track and street.

Now I'm sure rider skill had something to do with it or we'd see GSs in races right.

But I think physics might have something to do with it as well. A combination of tall center of gravity makes for greater lean angles AND less of a need right? Wouldn't the effect be like a lever, more force with less lean on the end of a longer lever?

BMW 900/1000s did exceptionally well in Australian production endurance races in the 70's & 80's. (3 & 6 hour racing on standard bikes/standard tyres (allegedly  :evil:)
The BMWs were much less abrasive on the tyres and, with a driveshaft, much easier and quicker to manage compulsory tyre changes.
I don't remember MG LeMans getting the level of support, I suspect that the BMW's factory support had a lot to do with their success.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/n0aAjp/th_FRLYZD6_S.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n0aAjp)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 12, 2018, 06:02:38 AM

But I think physics might have something to do with it as well. A combination of tall center of gravity makes for greater lean angles AND less of a need right? Wouldn't the effect be like a lever, more force with less lean on the end of a longer lever?
No Kev, that simply is not true.
Remember that there is an equal vector trying to stand the bike up, as there is trying to lay it down, they operate through the centre of mass.
The distance of that c of m from the point of support on a system where the sum of moments is zero, is not relevant.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 12, 2018, 06:05:30 AM
No Kev, that simply is not true.
Remember that there is an equal vector trying to stand the bike up, as there is trying to lay it down, they operate through the centre of mass.
The distance of that c of m from the point of support on a system where the sum of moments is zero, is not relevant.
Nutz
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 12, 2018, 06:20:31 AM
Whatever the Stelvio is or is not, I've seen a guy ride circles around several top notch naked street bikes.  Enough so to make them look foolish.  With the right pilot that overweight bike can embarrass almost anything in the twisties.
But, I digress............ ...........

You could make that statement about any bike with the available lean angle needed to negotiate the turn at speed.  Rider skill trumps type of bike every time. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 12, 2018, 08:29:36 AM
I would expect to see a new Lemans with the same engine (not the aero).

 :food:

Bring it!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on September 12, 2018, 08:34:18 AM
No Kev, that simply is not true.
Remember that there is an equal vector trying to stand the bike up, as there is trying to lay it down, they operate through the centre of mass.
The distance of that c of m from the point of support on a system where the sum of moments is zero, is not relevant.

Absolutely, low center of gravity and centralized mass for quicker rotation is the winning ticket.

Truth is the skill of the nut on the seat is usually the determining factor for a win.


Most BMW riders I know ride a lot a miles and have honed their riding skills on the roadway. That experience and the skills they developed means they may be able out ride the less skilled weekend warrior on a sport bike, you know the guy who thinks 100 miles is a looooong ride.

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 12, 2018, 10:07:24 AM
You could make that statement about any bike with the available lean angle needed to negotiate the turn at speed.  Rider skill trumps type of bike every time.

Spot on, sir.  Spot on.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: MadMike on September 12, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
 

(https://image.ibb.co/dPJA29/L1000686.jpg)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 12, 2018, 11:51:06 AM
Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
 

(https://image.ibb.co/dPJA29/L1000686.jpg)





Well said Mike!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 12, 2018, 12:07:46 PM
Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.


(https://image.ibb.co/dPJA29/L1000686.jpg)

 :evil: :grin: :evil:


Of course Mike you did manage to get that same bike stuck in the Wharton forest what, not 25 miles from home as well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on September 12, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
Whatever the Stelvio is or is not, I've seen a guy ride circles around several top notch naked street bikes.  Enough so to make them look foolish.  With the right pilot that overweight bike can embarrass almost anything in the twisties.
But, I digress............ ...........

I think the long travel suspension on most ADV bikes has a lot more to do with it than anything else.  Track times are irrelevant as soon as you throw sand, frost heaves and broken pavement into the mix.  A suspension set up on the soft side can be hugely beneficial depending on the road surface and that's counter intuitive for most squids.  You can ride a 160hp sportbike but if hitting a mid corner frost heave flicks you into a guardrail it really makes the power and track worthiness of the bike meaningless.  You can lean almost any ADV bike over, hit a mid corner bump and not run out of suspension travel(usually).     
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on September 12, 2018, 01:48:47 PM
Weight, seat height and fuel capacity please.

NC
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 12, 2018, 02:16:14 PM
Weight, seat height and fuel capacity please.

NC

Light weight, low seat, high fuel?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on September 12, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
 I read somewhere 505 lb's. Was hoping for about 50 LBs lighter then that. My Buell Ulysses weighs in at 498 with that lump of a motor.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 12, 2018, 07:29:19 PM
Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
 

(https://image.ibb.co/dPJA29/L1000686.jpg)

Give that man a cigar  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 12, 2018, 07:39:44 PM
I think you read pure speculation.  Nobody has the hard numbers yet.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on September 13, 2018, 03:30:57 AM
About the motor
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motociclismo.it%2Fmoto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088&edit-text=

Good read. Tantalizing information. Some nice little tidbits dropped in like the mention of a liquid cooled motor in the works, probably for big bikes. Also mentioned a street only version with this motor, hello, V85 Lemans?

Skippy
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on September 13, 2018, 05:58:06 AM
Its supposed to be an adventure bike. Isn't the whole point to make a bike to compete with the BMW 800GS and Triumph XC 800s? The Stelvio was never an adventure bike, just a grossly overweight streetbike.
 

(https://image.ibb.co/dPJA29/L1000686.jpg)

Hundreds of folks have done that ride on Goldwings and Harley dressers. Whats the point? There are Goldwingers who can ride circles around sport bikers. Just becuase you can ride them on roads, including gravel roads and even ride them fast doesn't make it a dual sport.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 13, 2018, 07:07:30 AM
I think the long travel suspension on most ADV bikes has a lot more to do with it than anything else.  Track times are irrelevant as soon as you throw sand, frost heaves and broken pavement into the mix.  A suspension set up on the soft side can be hugely beneficial depending on the road surface and that's counter intuitive for most squids. <SNIP>

+1 The suspension will be key for me. Was this || close to buying a Stelvio instead of the V7 for that reason but chose lighter weight over better suspension. The V85 could be that middle ground between the two. I guess I'm after an F700 with character. I loved the way that bike rode but the engine was a buzzy industrial lump that did nothing for me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on September 13, 2018, 09:55:54 AM
I'm new to the Moto Guzzi world (bought my first one Feb 2018!).

I'm assuming first year models have some issues to sort out?  Like I would not buy a first year KTM model where they have a new engine platform (like the 790). 

Any thoughts/concerns about this?

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on September 13, 2018, 10:11:07 AM
Guzzi tends to evolve the drive train rather than start from scratch with a new design.  Yes, they will claim that the new mill is a total redesign.  Still, for the most part they are building on the tried and true big or small block lump.  I will give the V85 a serious look when it finally hits the dealer floor.  If it turns out to be a smaller/lighter version of my Stelvio I'll get one.  Any small niggles will be sorted out with the help of this community.  I really don't expect a serious problem but the ECU usually benefits from a re-flash....and we have people here to sort that out.

Peter Y.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 13, 2018, 10:25:01 AM
I'm new to the Moto Guzzi world (bought my first one Feb 2018!).

I'm assuming first year models have some issues to sort out?  Like I would not buy a first year KTM model where they have a new engine platform (like the 790). 

Any thoughts/concerns about this?


Meh, that's a philosophical discussion or maybe just more a matter of faith.

Some never buy a first year from anyone, others will.

I have, with a number of different brands - including a first year EFI RK from Harley, a first year EFI rubbermount Sporty from Harley, a first year single throttle body V7.

Hell, come to think of it, they include some of my best bikes over the years.

I wouldn't hesitate based on those experiences. Though the V7 did have a few teething issues, they were relatively small.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on September 13, 2018, 10:27:49 AM
Thanks for the link Skippy!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on September 13, 2018, 10:29:45 AM
+1 The suspension will be key for me. Was this || close to buying a Stelvio instead of the V7 for that reason but chose lighter weight over better suspension. The V85 could be that middle ground between the two. I guess I'm after an F700 with character. I loved the way that bike rode but the engine was a buzzy industrial lump that did nothing for me.

The engine was part of the attraction of the F700GS for me. I don�t find it buzzy at all (quite the contrary at the low to mid range rpms it�s really designed for). And while it�s not particularly exciting with the tall gearing, it�s got great long legs in the bargain. Best of all, it�s practically all sweet spot, more than any other bike I�ve owned. Of course, we all look for different things in our bikes, as it should be.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 13, 2018, 11:04:28 AM
Guzzi tends to evolve the drive train rather than start from scratch with a new design.  Yes, they will claim that the new mill is a total redesign.  Still, for the most part they are building on the tried and true big or small block lump.

The Lario 4V/cyl. motor was largely based on the existing tried and true small block lump.
Look at all the problems they had with valves dropping.

Granted, the Lario had an all new valve train, where the V85 motor does look to be more of an evolution of the V9 motor.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 13, 2018, 11:11:16 AM
The Lario 4V/cyl. motor was largely based on the existing tried and true small block lump.
Look at all the problems they had with valves dropping.

Granted, the Lario had an all new valve train, where the V85 motor does look to be more of an evolution of the V9 motor.

Which also had/has problems with the "valves dropping" (at least those of the '70s and '80s).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on September 13, 2018, 01:18:24 PM
+1 The suspension will be key for me. Was this || close to buying a Stelvio instead of the V7 for that reason but chose lighter weight over better suspension. The V85 could be that middle ground between the two. I guess I'm after an F700 with character. I loved the way that bike rode but the engine was a buzzy industrial lump that did nothing for me.

Suspension should not be too expensive to update on the V85.  Matris cartridge kit up front for about $700 & since it is a single rear shock, $1000 or so for something very top line I would expect.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on September 13, 2018, 03:27:58 PM
Even more more recent news. This article says it was officially unvieled last Friday-Sunday.

And there will continue to be doubters  Avialable at a dealer near you...? Spring 19  :popcorn:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwj-tNrd5rjdAhXLdN8KHZFFA90QqOcBCAwwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motopinas.com%2Fmotorcycle-news%2Fmoto-guzzi-debuts-the-production-v85-tt-modern-classic-enduro.html&usg=AOvVaw14WfonNnBt5rG5jeB528Zd
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 13, 2018, 08:31:58 PM
Nutz
The following is not held up as a definitive document on the Physics involved but for anyone interested..
If you imagine a bike coming toward you on an arbritrary angle of lean, let's say for simplicity 45 degrees.
We know that the resultant of the vectors act through the Centre of Mass, in this case it will be somewhere between the rider's wedding tackle and his blurter.
I'm assuming guys outside Oz are similarly blessed as us, in the downstairs department, but I will stand corrected.
Anywayyy..
Here comes our hunky hero on his Red 10 year old Norge leaning at a seemingly suicidal aforementioned 45 degrees and all is well.
If you imagine a rope hanging vertically from his nether region with X force being supplied by gravity, were it not for the fact that there is another force at play, our intrepid rider would be slammed down on his side and the ride would be over.
But help is at hand...
Fortunately Sir Issac Newton saw to it that there is also a horizontal force trying to stand the bike upright, and this is referred to as Centrifugal force, (actually erroneously since it is only the equal and opposite reaction to the Centripetal force turning the bike around the corner, but if we may go on..)
If you can conjure the image in your mind, you have a vertical pull on the imaginary rope downwards toward the Earth's core and an equally strong force pulling horizontally toward the horizon, (a tangent if you will)..
Clearly if these forces are equal, the bike will remain in balance and this is the case 99.995% of the time.
It can be seen if you examine the diagram that you have drawn in your head, that it will not matter how far up from the road these two "ropes" are pulling, that is, how high the C of M is, balance is restored and the sum of forces is zero within the system..
If the above example leads you to some level of concern regarding ropes and wedding tackle, fear not, it was an attempt to give an Earthy type analogy to a theoretical discussion.
Ok then..
Harness secure.. Here we go  :bike-037:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 13, 2018, 08:36:15 PM
Even more more recent news. This article says it was officially unvieled last Friday-Sunday.

And there will continue to be doubters  Avialable at a dealer near you...? Spring 19  :popcorn:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwj-tNrd5rjdAhXLdN8KHZFFA90QqOcBCAwwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motopinas.com%2Fmotorcycle-news%2Fmoto-guzzi-debuts-the-production-v85-tt-modern-classic-enduro.html&usg=AOvVaw14WfonNnBt5rG5jeB528Zd
Doubters you say...!
BWWWAAAAHHHHAAAAAHH HHAAA!!!!
Shit, surely not...!
Sure looks real in the photo's doesn't it ? :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on September 13, 2018, 08:47:54 PM
Yes I did say ...and exactly my point... thank you :)

When this all started a year ago a significant contingent said it would be many years if it ever happened

Just gotta have a little faith and cough up the dough
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 13, 2018, 08:48:10 PM
The following is not held up as a definitive document on the Physics involved but for anyone interested..
If you imagine a bike coming toward you on an arbrirary angle of lean, let's say for simplicity 45 degrees.
We know that the resultant of the vectors act through the Centre of Mass, in this case it will be somewhere between the rider's wedding tackle and his blurter.
I'm assuming guys outside Oz are similarly blessed as us in the downstairs department, but I will stand corrected.
Anywayyy..
Here comes our hunky hero on his red 10 year old Norge leaning at a seemingly suicidal aforementioned 45 degrees and all is well.
If you imagine a rope hanging vertically from his nether region with X force being supplied by gravity, were it not for the fact that there is another force at play, our intrepid rider would be slammed down on his side and the ride would be over.
But help is at hand...
Fortunately Sir Issac Newton saw to it that there is also a horizontal force trying to stand the bike upright, and this is referred to as Centrifugal force, (actually erroneously since it is only the equal and opposite reaction to the Centripetal force turning the bike around the corner, but if we may go on..)
If you can conjure the image in your mind, you have a vertical pull on the imaginary rope downwards toward the Earth's core and an equally strong force pulling horizontally toward the horizon, (a tangent if you will)..
Clearly if these forces are equal, the bike will remain in balance and this is the case 99.995% of the time.
It can be seen if you examine the diagram that you have drawn in your head, that it will not matter how far up from the road these two "ropes" are pulling, that is, how high the C of M is, balance is restored and the sum of forces is zero within the system..
If the above example leads you to some level of concern regarding ropes and wedding tackle, fear not, it was an attempt to give an Earthy type analogy to a theoretical discussion.
Ok then..
Harness secure.. Here we go  :bike-037:
I understood most of that. But what then changes when you lean your upper body and head closer to the mirror on the downside.

I mean my wedding tackle is still tickling the shifter either way, but I've been taught by a riding instructor that "kissing the mirror" like that reduces lean angle for a given speed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on September 13, 2018, 09:03:25 PM
Please!!!
I am color blind anyway, just give me the bike!
rant over
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on September 13, 2018, 09:09:38 PM
I understood most of that. But what then changes when you lean your upper body and head closer to the mirror on the downside.

I mean my wedding tackle is still tickling the shifter either way, but I've been taught by a riding instructor that "kissing the mirror" like that reduces lean angle for a given speed.

"kissing the Mirror" .... ???? ..... You sure you're not a  Closet BMW rider???     :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 13, 2018, 09:29:41 PM
"kissing the Mirror" .... ???? ..... You sure you're not a  Closet BMW rider???     :evil:

Keeping the bike more upright in curves and leaning the body = more rubber on the road and better control.  Guys tearing it up on the track in 1000 lb gold wings...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 13, 2018, 09:43:07 PM
Yes I did say ...and exactly my point... thank you :)

When this all started a year ago a significant contingent said it would be many years if it ever happened

Just gotta have a little faith and cough up the dough
Yep..
Somewhere there's a list of those who lost confidence early on..
Now..
Where is that list..?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 13, 2018, 09:51:51 PM
I understood most of that. But what then changes when you lean your upper body and head closer to the mirror on the downside.

I mean my wedding tackle is still tickling the shifter either way, but I've been taught by a riding instructor that "kissing the mirror" like that reduces lean angle for a given speed.
Yeah Kev it does, it's a fair point you make.
But.
Leaning the bike one way, will necessitate leaning your body the other, thus keeping the all important Centre of Mass on that imaginary line down through the bike to the road.
You could strap a 150 kg piece of lead to one foot peg and still ride down the road but clearly the bike would be leaning toward the "lighter" side to get the "you know what" back in the right place.
When guys say they put more weight on the inside peg or some other bullshit, they are just having a toss.
If you stand heavier on one peg, your body will fall to the other side and you'll then find you're leaning the bike artificially to compensate.
Because there is no lateral stabilising wheels like in a sidecar, you can put any damn thing anywhere you like and you will always have the C of M above the point of support as long as your arse points towards the Earth.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 13, 2018, 09:58:41 PM
Please!!!
I am color blind anyway, just give me the bike!
rant over
That's gunna' be a problem if you're waiting for the " green light..."
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 14, 2018, 06:11:16 AM
"kissing the Mirror" .... ???? ..... You sure you're not a  Closet BMW rider???     :evil:

One of our own (Guzzi rider, member here) has a riding school in which one of the mantras taught is to "kiss the mirror" which is the quick way to remember to shift your upper body forward and into the lean towards the mirrors. Position your head, shoulders, and torso towards the mirror as if you were trying to kiss it.

http://streetskills.net/cornering-confidence-program/


Yeah Kev it does, it's a fair point you make.
But.
Leaning the bike one way, will necessitate leaning your body the other, thus keeping the all important Centre of Mass on that imaginary line down through the bike to the road.

WOAH, no you completely missed my question. I'm not talking about counter-leaning during low speed maneuvers. I'm talking about leaning into the turn while corning at moderate to high speeds to counter the force trying to slam it to the ground toward the outside of the turn.

I'm asking if the taller suspension doesn't have a net positive effect making it easier because the center of mass is where your butt hits the seat, why does this shift I describe above (the kissing the mirrors) have an effect?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on September 14, 2018, 06:11:58 AM
So lemme get this straight, heh. Guzzi has a new 850 engine that makes roughly 80 horsepower and they're NOT going to put that straight into the successful V7 format?  Instead, let's first put it in a traile that weighs more than it's competition and cost 14 grand.   :boozing:  Moto Guzzi.  Still going out of business.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on September 14, 2018, 06:20:12 AM
Where did you get $14k?

In the article.  12,000 Euros. Then I converted 12,000 Euros to dollars, which comes to $14,042.04.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 14, 2018, 06:22:45 AM
In the article.  12,000 Euros. Then I converted 12,000 Euros to dollars, which comes to $14,042.04.

I thought that was almost never valid? That companies like Piaggio/Guzzi, Harley, Ducati etc. all price bikes for a given market.

For instance you can't convert the price of any Harleys in the US to Euros and arrive at the actual price, most would be off by thousands (Harleys are luxury priced in the EU).

I feel like people were trying the same thing before the Mk 1 single throttle body bikes showed up here and they were way off then too.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on September 14, 2018, 06:51:25 AM
I thought that was almost never valid? That companies like Piaggio/Guzzi, Harley, Ducati etc. all price bikes for a given market.

For instance you can't convert the price of any Harleys in the US to Euros and arrive at the actual price, most would be off by thousands (Harleys are luxury priced in the EU).

I feel like people were trying the same thing before the Mk 1 single throttle body bikes showed up here and they were way off then too.

Yup.  I'll bet they bring it into the States with something that is more competitive with its competition; thus, I'd guesstimate it will be around 12ish. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 14, 2018, 07:19:15 AM
WOAH, no you completely missed my question. I'm not talking about counter-leaning during low speed maneuvers. I'm talking about leaning into the turn while corning at moderate to high speeds to counter the force trying to slam it to the ground toward the outside of the turn.

I'm asking if the taller suspension doesn't have a net positive effect making it easier because the center of mass is where your butt hits the seat, why does this shift I describe above (the kissing the mirrors) have an effect?

Here Kev - read this: https://www.wired.com/2015/08/motorcycles-lean-far-without-tipping/ (https://www.wired.com/2015/08/motorcycles-lean-far-without-tipping/)

In the case of taller suspension and the resulting higher CG, you will require a higher 'fake force' to counter the higher 'mg' force. Taller bikes feel heavier because their GC is further from the fulcrum (ground). As a consequence, a higher 'friction' force (speed) needs to be applied at any given lean angle. Tall enduro bikes with skinny / knobby tires are an extreme example. You only get a fraction of the lean angle on an XR650 than you will on an R1 due to the high GC and low tire friction. Knobbies in the dirt significantly increase friction allowing higher speed and lean angle. On the road, you have to compensate with body lean to keep the bike from overpowering frictional force or you low-side the bike.
(https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/sketches_spring_2015_key5.jpg)

This is another decent discussion on the subject: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/211193/effect-of-position-on-a-motorbike-turning (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/211193/effect-of-position-on-a-motorbike-turning)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 14, 2018, 07:22:26 AM
That's gunna' be a problem if you're waiting for the " green light..."

Only if you're a moron and don't know the top and bottom lights in the traffic light mean different things.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJi8lByPL2haR1qRB3Js79XL7GVkUkSgzAqJzTZUGYE9iw_O6N)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 14, 2018, 07:24:37 AM
Here Kev - read this: https://www.wired.com/2015/08/motorcycles-lean-far-without-tipping/ (https://www.wired.com/2015/08/motorcycles-lean-far-without-tipping/)

In the case of taller suspension and the resulting higher CG, you will require a higher 'fake force' to counter the higher 'mg' force. Taller bikes feel heavier because their GC is further from the fulcrum (ground). As a consequence, a higher 'friction' force (speed) needs to be applied at any given lean angle. Tall enduro bikes with skinny / knobby tires are an extreme example. You only get a fraction of the lean angle on an XR650 than you will on an R1 due to the high GC and low tire friction.[/url]

If that's true that would support my original supposition that Huzo has said is not true based on physics.

 :undecided:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 14, 2018, 08:30:40 AM
Hmmmm..
One of us is about to learn something.
(And I'm not completely sure who...)
But I will digest what each of us has said more fully.
Let us move to the neutral corners Grasshopper... :bow:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on September 14, 2018, 09:35:29 AM
Here's a tall bike handling well and doing some fun lean angles.  :wink: :boozing:
https://youtu.be/QAlh9Q6yDZs
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on September 14, 2018, 12:38:34 PM
I often switch between supermoto, big adventure bike, sport-tourer and then more conventional sport bikes. My riding style many times changes with the bike I am riding, meaning I will usually ride the SM and ADV bikes staying upright and chin over the inside grip with the butt slid to the inside of the seat (the "kiss the mirror" thing) on the sport bikes. Sometimes I get confused and try to hang off on the GS and, well never mind.

There is a real scientific reason flat trackers and road racers have different body positions.

I'm sure this bike will be a fun to ride one, but not in my future. Still digging the bigger displacement myself and weight has not been a problem since I gave up the track and stick to the street.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Daniel Kalal on September 14, 2018, 01:52:34 PM
A pendant hanging from your rear-view mirror while turning, or
An airplane making a coordinated turn, or
A motorcycle going around a curved road…

The angle is the same.  What defines the angle?  Velocity, radius and gravity.  That’s it.  Mass isn’t there and neither is the length of the string holding your pendant nor the height of the motorcycle, nor the weight of the motorcycle.

(V^2)/r = g tan theta
I'm pretty sure Gallileo would have known that equation.  Next up: we'll drop two balls from a tower: one heavier than the other...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 14, 2018, 01:58:15 PM
Good Golly Dudes, we are not even close to the off season here in the norther hemisphere!
Time to go find some girls to hang around!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Toecutter on September 14, 2018, 02:00:00 PM
I understood most of that. But what then changes when you lean your upper body and head closer to the mirror on the downside.

I mean my wedding tackle is still tickling the shifter either way, but I've been taught by a riding instructor that "kissing the mirror" like that reduces lean angle for a given speed.

A bike has maximum traction at "vertical". All factors being equal, "kissing the mirror" allows the bike to remain closer to vertical at a given speed, increasing traction.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 14, 2018, 02:21:21 PM
I really want to test ride it.  :bike-037:



Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 14, 2018, 04:36:56 PM
A pendant hanging from your rear-view mirror while turning, or
An airplane making a coordinated turn, or
A motorcycle going around a curved road�

The angle is the same.  What defines the angle?  Velocity, radius and gravity.  That�s it.  Mass isn�t there and neither is the length of the string holding your pendant nor the height of the motorcycle, nor the weight of the motorcycle.

(V^2)/r = g tan theta
I'm pretty sure Gallileo would have known that equation.  Next up: we'll drop two balls from a tower: one heavier than the other...
As you are well aware DK, you are correct.
There are guys in this world who ride extremely fast, and they can give you Physics based reasons why they do all sorts of juxstaposing of body positions and techniques.
Fact is, they are just damn good and even they don't necessarily know why, but their theories are hard to refute because they can do the business on the road or track.
Anywayyy.
I've done enough highjacking here, I'm off to the airport...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 14, 2018, 04:49:15 PM
Only if you're a moron and don't know the top and bottom lights in the traffic light mean different things.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJi8lByPL2haR1qRB3Js79XL7GVkUkSgzAqJzTZUGYE9iw_O6N)
Now don't be too hard on yourself Kev, no one thinks you're a moron..
(Especially me..)
I find you loveable in a brutish confrontational sort of way. :kiss: :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 14, 2018, 05:09:36 PM
Biggest factor in lean angle is traction. Narrower, knobby and/or harder tires will reduce available traction (friction) so you have to adjust. Same with surface - dirt, oil, tar strips, paint, road composition, suspension, tire profile, rubber compound and what many forget, tire age. The skilled motorcyclist will adjust their body position and riding style to use what traction is available. Ever ride an old bike with hard tires in the rain over horse manure? Better use lots of body and keep the bike as upright as possible (my Amish PA tour last year).

'Kissing the mirror' moves your body mass forward, down and to the inside of the turn which helps put weight on the front tire and keep the bike more upright, ostensibly helping improve tire friction.

But back to the V85 - will be interesting to see how it handles. I suspect a longer, more compliant suspension will be nicer on rough roads than anything you can do with the V7 setup.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 14, 2018, 06:04:11 PM
For whatever reason, I'm getting some laughs out of WG tonight.
 :grin:
Maybe it's the Margarita with the fish tacos.. <shrug>
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 14, 2018, 06:18:27 PM
That does look nice indeed. :thumb:

+1
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on September 14, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
Green light?! I though orange meant go........
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 14, 2018, 11:59:09 PM
Biggest factor in lean angle is traction. Narrower, knobby and/or harder tires will reduce available traction (friction) so you have to adjust. Same with surface - dirt, oil, tar strips, paint, road composition, suspension, tire profile, rubber compound and what many forget, tire age. The skilled motorcyclist will adjust their body position and riding style to use what traction is available. Ever ride an old bike with hard tires in the rain over horse manure? Better use lots of body and keep the bike as upright as possible (my Amish PA tour last year).

'Kissing the mirror' moves your body mass forward, down and to the inside of the turn which helps put weight on the front tire and keep the bike more upright, ostensibly helping improve tire friction.

But back to the V85 - will be interesting to see how it handles. I suspect a longer, more compliant suspension will be nicer on rough roads than anything you can do with the V7 setup.
I can't wait..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 15, 2018, 07:43:40 AM
A pendant hanging from your rear-view mirror while turning, or
An airplane making a coordinated turn, or
A motorcycle going around a curved road…

The angle is the same.  What defines the angle?  Velocity, radius and gravity.  That’s it.  Mass isn’t there and neither is the length of the string holding your pendant nor the height of the motorcycle, nor the weight of the motorcycle.

(V^2)/r = g tan theta
I'm pretty sure Gallileo would have known that equation.  Next up: we'll drop two balls from a tower: one heavier than the other...

The lean angle is affected by the location of the CG.  Move the CG to the inside of the turn and less lean angle is required to go around the turn than if you move the CG to the outside of the turn. 

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 15, 2018, 09:07:41 AM
The lean angle is affected by the location of the CG.  Move the CG to the inside of the turn and less lean angle is required to go around the turn than if you move the CG to the outside of the turn.
The C of G does not alter it's position.
Only the distribution of rider and machine masses relative to each other.
If the C of G was "inside" or "outside" of the turn, there would be a resultant vector in the "rolling" plane and the whole shooting match would go arse up..!
It's an inconvenient truth, but truth none the less.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 15, 2018, 09:57:18 AM
Is this correct?!? :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: 

Does 55 HP seem a little...."anemic" to everyone, or it is just me? :huh: :huh: :huh:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/hBGEpp/Screen_Shot_2018_09_09_at_3_22_50_PM.png) (https://ibb.co/hBGEpp)


The article is incorrect, it's not 'just' the v9 engine. it's same displacement, but many major changes (ie: not a wet sump).  It's not gonna make 85hp but it's not 55 either
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 15, 2018, 03:59:42 PM
Guzzi is still claiming 80hp at the crank!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 15, 2018, 11:18:35 PM
The C of G does not alter it's position.
Only the distribution of rider and machine masses relative to each other.
If the C of G was "inside" or "outside" of the turn, there would be a resultant vector in the "rolling" plane and the whole shooting match would go arse up..!
It's an inconvenient truth, but truth none the less.

I AM talking about the CG of man and machine.   You can't ignore the man because the bike doesn't go around corners without him.  Why would you even focus on only the CG of the machine?  Just to prove a point?  The system going down the road consists of machine and man.  When the man leans into the turn the CG moves to the inside of the turn resulting in the machine not having to lean over as far thus less chance of exceeding the traction of the machine. 

If the man leans away from the turn the machine has to lean over at a greater angle to navigate the turn.
 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 16, 2018, 12:59:21 AM
I AM talking about the CG of man and machine.   You can't ignore the man because the bike doesn't go around corners without him.  Why would you even focus on only the CG of the machine?  Just to prove a point?  The system going down the road consists of machine and man.  When the man leans into the turn the CG moves to the inside of the turn resulting in the machine not having to lean over as far thus less chance of exceeding the traction of the machine. 

If the man leans away from the turn the machine has to lean over at a greater angle to navigate the turn.
Yeah that's not in dispute.
I dunno where you think our differences of opinion lay. Can't be bothered discussing by text..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 16, 2018, 08:40:07 AM
Yeah that's not in dispute.
I dunno where you think our differences of opinion lay. Can't be bothered discussing by text..

when you tried to tell me that the CG does not alter its position. 

The CG of the "System" does alter based on rider position, luggage, accessories, etc.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 16, 2018, 08:52:38 AM
when you tried to tell me that the CG does not alter its position. 

The CG of the "System" does alter based on rider position, luggage, accessories, etc.
That's not what I'm saying but that'll do for me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 16, 2018, 10:39:09 AM
Guzzi is still claiming 80hp at the crank!

"The engine is a two-cylinder 90° transverse air-cooled 850cc which, thanks to its complete redesign, has 80 HP of maximum power. A truly rewarding performance is assured on every route as well as guaranteeing to the V85 TT all the character and responsive acceleration Moto Guzzi is famed for."
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 16, 2018, 01:51:26 PM
The Bottom-Line:

* 80 HP
* about 441 pounds
* about $14,000 USD

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 23, 2018, 08:46:10 PM
Only if you're a moron and don't know the top and bottom lights in the traffic light mean different things.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJi8lByPL2haR1qRB3Js79XL7GVkUkSgzAqJzTZUGYE9iw_O6N)

What about:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6130/6035396549_4fb81dea0c_b.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on September 24, 2018, 12:04:06 AM
 :sad:
Green light?! I though orange meant go........

A T-shirt we brought back from Vietnam for our petrol head V8 owning grandson.

Vietnam Traffic Signals

Green light I go
Orange light I go
Red light I also go

AND, it's right!!!! :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 24, 2018, 03:50:10 AM
What about:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6130/6035396549_4fb81dea0c_b.jpg)
The arrow should be a clue... Oh and observation of the other vehicles.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 24, 2018, 06:57:55 AM
"Observation of other vehicles?"  You give the morons WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much credit, kev!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 24, 2018, 07:12:55 AM
"Observation of other vehicles?"  You give the morons WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much credit, kev!
Meh, they're right more than they're wrong....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 24, 2018, 02:14:47 PM
What about:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6130/6035396549_4fb81dea0c_b.jpg)

What got me is the green turn arrow after the green light instead of before it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 24, 2018, 02:54:19 PM
What got me is the green turn arrow after the green light instead of before it.
That depends on the crossing traffic pattern.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 24, 2018, 06:40:01 PM
What about:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6130/6035396549_4fb81dea0c_b.jpg)

Red is always on the left on these horizontal lights.

There used to be a bunch of them in the city where I grew up.  Installed in the 1970s in "cool" bronze-colored 70s-modern posts/arms.  They were gone by the late 1980s because, apparently, color-blind people also don't know left from right.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on September 24, 2018, 10:11:24 PM
For whatever reason, I'm getting some laughs out of WG tonight.
 :grin:
Maybe it's the Margarita with the fish tacos.. <shrug>

I'm intrigued by this and would like to subscribe to your newsletter...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 25, 2018, 11:39:58 AM
Funny how this thread hasn't talked about the V85 in quite some time...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Toecutter on September 25, 2018, 11:44:29 AM
Funny how this thread hasn't talked about the V85 in quite some time...

WG is, hands down, the most "drifty" forum I have ever frequented. *shrug* Is what it is.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on September 25, 2018, 12:45:33 PM
Funny how this thread hasn't talked about the V85 in quite some time...

LOL...i agreed...yet entertaining...

well, unless there are more spec and real bikes for us to sit on, there isn't much we can do except for speculating...

meanwhile, I am still going to wish for my wish list to come true  :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on September 25, 2018, 01:28:52 PM
So what other scooters they using the engine in?   So far, I've only seen the dirt bike.   I've heard there are 3 other uses for the lump.

I skipped around the thread, so I might have missed something?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 25, 2018, 01:44:28 PM
So what other scooters they using the engine in?   So far, I've only seen the dirt bike.   I've heard there are 3 other uses for the lump.

I skipped around the thread, so I might have missed something?

From recent interviews I believe I read that the road going variant may be displayed at this November's EICMA.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 25, 2018, 05:52:58 PM
I found these videos on Facebook, some impromptu walk around of the V85 by some Italian with a back stage pass.  :grin:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMG8hb vQASiQAdkTA (https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMG8hbvQASiQAdkTA)

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMH1N7 wjlhntYo3hw (https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMH1N7wjlhntYo3hw)

Sadly they didn't get to start it! I wanted to hear it run.

The lights look pretty slick on this bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Markcarovilli on September 25, 2018, 07:26:09 PM
Thanks Joe- lights are pretty cool....

Mark
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 25, 2018, 08:02:10 PM
I found these videos on Facebook, some impromptu walk around of the V85 by some Italian with a back stage pass.  :grin:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMG8hb vQASiQAdkTA (https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMG8hbvQASiQAdkTA)

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMH1N7 wjlhntYo3hw (https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMH1N7wjlhntYo3hw)

Sadly they didn't get to start it! I wanted to hear it run.

The lights look pretty slick on this bike.
God help me I like it...I feel another mistake in my future. [emoji56]
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 25, 2018, 08:41:22 PM
God help me I like it...I feel another mistake in my future. [emoji56]

+1
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on September 25, 2018, 09:06:18 PM
I found these videos on Facebook, some impromptu walk around of the V85 by some Italian with a back stage pass.  :grin:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMG8hb vQASiQAdkTA (https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMG8hbvQASiQAdkTA)

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMH1N7 wjlhntYo3hw (https://1drv.ms/v/s!Apz145EsedRVheMH1N7wjlhntYo3hw)

Sadly they didn't get to start it! I wanted to hear it run.

The lights look pretty slick on this bike.

The twin tail is really cool...

And maybe the dash isn't as retro as the V7, but I don't care, I really like it...

Hoping by Nov during ECIME, they will crank that puppy up...


I am too...at the same time the same predictiment with FXDR as well... :boozing:

So many bikes, so little money and space...
God help me I like it...I feel another mistake in my future. [emoji56]
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 26, 2018, 07:48:49 AM
So my 30th birthday is this Spring... when the V85 comes out.

Should I start a GoFundMe?  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 26, 2018, 08:03:11 AM
So my 30th birthday is this Spring... when the V85 comes out.

Should I start a GoFundMe?  :grin:
Or get a second (or third) job.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 26, 2018, 08:07:07 AM
Or get a second (or third) job.

I'm actually starting a new job with better pay next week, and my wife is interviewing for higher paying jobs as well. :)

So if things stay *ok* for awhile, we may be able to swing it. We've talked about possibly getting a bike next year before, and the V85 is ticking a lot of the boxes of my ideal Guzzi that I've been painting for years now.

I'm really hoping for a test ride in Spring. :)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 26, 2018, 08:39:40 AM
Was talking to a dealer in Melbourne today.
I'm gunna' want a rest ride as well.
I'll buy it and then go for a long test ride after that... :bike-037:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on September 26, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
So shared in MG World on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MotoGuzziWorldClub/permalink/10156440904270795/

V85 test ride
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 26, 2018, 06:17:53 PM
So my 30th birthday is this Spring... when the V85 comes out.

Should I start a GoFundMe?  :grin:

Might as well, but don't expect anyone on this forum to contribute. 

There was a guy on a Japanese brand forum that started a GoFundMe to go on a motorcycle vacation and actually raised a grand for the trip.   :rolleyes:

You could start a youtube channel and hope for a viral video.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 26, 2018, 06:38:46 PM
Might as well, but don't expect anyone on this forum to contribute. 

There was a guy on a Japanese brand forum that started a GoFundMe to go on a motorcycle vacation and actually raised a grand for the trip.   :rolleyes:

You could start a youtube channel and hope for a viral video.

It was all in jest.  :thumb:

Hoping it will be available in that green color.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 26, 2018, 06:45:42 PM
God help me I like it...I feel another mistake in my future. [emoji56]

DO IT!


I get first dibs when you sell it!    :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 27, 2018, 07:48:54 AM
It was all in jest.  :thumb:

Hoping it will be available in that green color.

I took it as that, just pointing out how frequently it is used and how willing people are to participate.  Look at how much money that couple "who are now in trouble" raised for that homeless man.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 27, 2018, 07:50:41 AM
Might as well, but don't expect anyone on this forum to contribute. 

There was a guy on a Japanese brand forum that started a GoFundMe to go on a motorcycle vacation and actually raised a grand for the trip.   :rolleyes:

You could start a youtube channel and hope for a viral video.

Just noticed your signature.  That was fast taking my advice on the youtube channel!  LOL!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 27, 2018, 09:24:42 AM
Just noticed your signature.  That was fast taking my advice on the youtube channel!  LOL!

So fast I went back in time five years to start it! ;)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on September 27, 2018, 10:43:32 AM
In a total topic slide...
Unkept, I really liked the music you used when you picked up the Breva.  Saw that video...oh, a while ago.  Enjoyed it all 'round.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 27, 2018, 01:20:52 PM
In a total topic slide...
Unkept, I really liked the music you used when you picked up the Breva.  Saw that video...oh, a while ago.  Enjoyed it all 'round.

Bert Jerred has some nice music. :) https://www.jamendo.com/artist/435761/bert-jerred (https://www.jamendo.com/artist/435761/bert-jerred)

Thanks for the feedback! It's be so long since I did those.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 27, 2018, 02:37:54 PM
God help me I like it...I feel another mistake in my future. [emoji56]

I'm going to Wayne MG when they come in. You'll need to find another dealer. First one to Mistakeville wins!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 27, 2018, 03:41:29 PM
I'm going to Wayne MG when they come in. You'll need to find another dealer. First one to Mistakeville wins!

Fine with me, I'll deal with Hamlin's.  At least he knows what he's doing!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 27, 2018, 06:28:18 PM
Fine with me, I'll deal with Hamlin's.  At least he knows what he's doing!

I know they're new but Indian / MG of Wayne was very easy to work with and seems to have done a fine job setting up my V7. Time will tell of course but I prefer a 25 minute drive to a 2 hour one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 27, 2018, 06:57:43 PM
Fine with me, I'll deal with Hamlin's.  At least he knows what he's doing!

I wish Hamlin's was closer to me.   He's like four or five hours away from me.   

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 27, 2018, 08:12:42 PM
I wish Hamlin's was closer to me.   He's like four or five hours away from me.   
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I have wishes too. I'm not going to share them here.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on September 28, 2018, 01:29:59 PM
Not a lot of new info, but some new pictures here!

And hey, looks like an Ohlins rear shock on this one! That would be a nice option.

https://www.moto.it/intermot-colonia/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-arriva-a-intermot-colonia.html (https://www.moto.it/intermot-colonia/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-arriva-a-intermot-colonia.html)

(https://img1.stcrm.it/images/17241146/1000x1000/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-accessories-1.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 28, 2018, 02:02:41 PM
But...
Where  is  the  red  one...?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 28, 2018, 04:10:29 PM
This solid variant is more to my personal taste. So are the more road oriented tires. It's going to be a long winter waiting for this one to show up next year.
(https://img2.stcrm.it/images/17241144/1000x1000/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-accessories-2.jpg)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/fwXLrp/moto_guzzi_v85_tt_accessories_4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fwXLrp)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 28, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
I really do think they will sell heaps.
It will be great if the model run can survive long enough to develop any early wrinkles out.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: timax on September 28, 2018, 04:51:46 PM
Already modding mine!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1957/44975762041_5902757a6a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bwmx88)moto-guzzi-v85-tt-tims (https://flic.kr/p/2bwmx88) by Tim (https://www.flickr.com/photos/prb102/), on Flickr
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 28, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
I really do think they will sell heaps.
It will be great if the model run can survive long enough to develop any early wrinkles out.

It would be better if Guzzi (Piaggio) developed any early wrinkles out before it was released to the public. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be done?  :evil:  :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on September 28, 2018, 07:06:33 PM
Man....I really, really like it.  There's no way the wet weight is under 500lbs though.  Ginger Princess would slap me if I made her ride with the hinges in that top box digging into her back all day.  Who the hell thought leaving those exposed was a good idea? The quasi driver backrest/passenger ladybit's agitator on the seat has to go.  Do none of these Italian designers take their mistresses on rides?

Anyway, I love the muted blue gray and if it's not ridiculously expensive I'll trade my 1400 Touring towards one. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 28, 2018, 07:09:51 PM
Man....I really, really like it.  There's no way the wet weight is under 500lbs though.  Ginger Princess would slap me if I made her ride with the hinges in that top box digging into her back all day.  Who the hell thought leaving those exposed was a good idea? The quasi driver backrest/passenger ladybit's agitator on the seat has to go.  Do none of these Italian designers take their mistresses on rides?

Anyway, I love the muted blue gray and if it's not ridiculously expensive I'll trade my 1400 Touring towards one.

The back armor in her jackets should keep her from feeling it, and you can always stick some closed cell foam on there.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 28, 2018, 07:26:21 PM
The back armor in her jackets should keep her from feeling it, and you can always stick some closed cell foam on there.
Only if she sits backwards on her jacket...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: KiwiKev on September 28, 2018, 08:49:16 PM
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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 28, 2018, 10:39:40 PM
Looks like Il Piccolo Stelvio...hope it does well as well!  All sorts of nice colors would make this bike pop...

+1 on those rear box hinges...that's got to be a mistake on the design of the box...

The yellow "anti-neblina" headlights are cool...sort of like a 1960's Citroen or Peugeot

So do we all think that this is the same 900 motor currently loaded in the V9 at this point, or do the rumor mills suggest an even different variant of the V9?

Can't wait to see one in person!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 29, 2018, 06:14:12 AM
Looks like Il Piccolo Stelvio...hope it does well as well!  All sorts of nice colors would make this bike pop...

+1 on those rear box hinges...that's got to be a mistake on the design of the box...

The yellow "anti-neblina" headlights are cool...sort of like a 1960's Citroen or Peugeot

So do we all think that this is the same 900 motor currently loaded in the V9 at this point, or do the rumor mills suggest an even different variant of the V9?

Can't wait to see one in person!

The motocolismo article suggests a significant amount of modification to the V9 motor to have any chance of hitting thier claimed HP numbers they will need to. Its entirely possible the one for the show and prototypes that a v9 motor was dropped in intially.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 29, 2018, 08:25:32 AM
It would be better if Guzzi (Piaggio) developed any early wrinkles out before it was released to the public. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be done?  :evil:  :wink:
Yep.
Just how do you think that can be made to happen ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: nobleswood on September 29, 2018, 08:37:34 AM
Yep.
Just how do you think that can be made to happen ?

Wait, I thought we were the Beta test group  :tongue:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on September 29, 2018, 09:05:38 AM
Wait, I thought we were the Beta test group  :tongue:

Truth here. Large manufacturers have test stands to simulate real world running conditions that new motors and gear boxes are put through. Then there are the test mules where riders put on many miles generating feedback. I wouldn't mind being a test rider for some types of bikes. Of course that could get old after a while, I think, and I may not have the perception skills to obtain the feedback the factory would need.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 29, 2018, 09:13:30 AM
It's good to see that as they move into production, Piaggio is downplaying the 1985 retro aspect. 

No center stand and apparently plastic fuel tank would both weigh heavily on me if I were seriously contemplating one of these.  If saving weight is their issue, removing the extra headlight would help. Nobody has built a bike to replace the early GS, and I wish somebody would.  This is close, maybe with some modifications, time will tell.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on September 29, 2018, 09:51:13 AM
11 pages of mostly BS. I would be surprised if during the first year of sales, this group buys a half dozen.   :evil:   :smiley:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on September 29, 2018, 11:57:37 AM
The reported 'under 12,000 Euro' price will cool-off one or two!

It will cool off most of them.  They'll whine about the price and say the bike should have carbs, points, a cable operated clutch and cost the same as a V7III.  Then they'll boast that their Cali II(that they bought used 30 years ago) is better in every way and the only reason they don't buy a new Guzzi is that their bike isn't worn out yet.     
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on September 29, 2018, 12:56:22 PM
11 pages of mostly BS. I would be surprised if during the first year of sales, this group buys a half dozen.   :evil:   :smiley:
Absolutely!  Nobody on this board would pop for a brand new Guzzi.  Hey, wait a minute...I bought a new Stelvio.  Heck, I bought a new V7.  Oh, and there was that new ST2 and the new Multistrada, and the new RX3 and the new TT250.  Nope, nobody on this board buying new stuff.  That's just throwing your money away.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 29, 2018, 02:06:19 PM
You're an exception, 98% will find a way to avoid buying a new Guzzi.  Actually, I suspect it's closer to 99%!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 29, 2018, 03:27:58 PM
I bought my new Guzzis when Guzzi was still Guzzi. I have little interest in an Aprilia or Piaggio.  :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on September 29, 2018, 04:37:24 PM
Why buy a new guzzi when there are so many ridders try them and after the  warranty runs out declares, " the heck with this" and tight wads like me can buy them for 1/3 of what they paid for them  new. Back in may when I bought my 2015 with 2600 miles, I paid 2k under the KBB value.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 29, 2018, 05:26:29 PM
11 pages of mostly BS. I would be surprised if during the first year of sales, this group buys a half dozen.   :evil:   :smiley:

Many people think throwing out insubstantial one liners is BS, maybe you disagree.

Are you going to buy a V85TT as they arrive in the showrooms? Will you be unhappy when somebody shows up with cash to buy it after you don’t want it any more?  Or you would prefer that nobody buy used bikes?

I couldn’t say whether Guzz buyers are smart shoppers in general or better investors than average, but I do think they are pretty good at maximizing value in the motorcycle market specifically.

The ‘under Euro 12K’ price will be in Europe, including what in most places is 20% VAT.  I’d guess the US price will be about the same price in USD, probably a little less, plus whatever sales tax may apply to your purchase.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on September 29, 2018, 08:46:40 PM
Many people think throwing out insubstantial one liners is BS, maybe you disagree.

Are you going to buy a V85TT as they arrive in the showrooms? Will you be unhappy when somebody shows up with cash to buy it after you don’t want it any more?  Or you would prefer that nobody buy used bikes?

I couldn’t say whether Guzz buyers are smart shoppers in general or better investors than average, but I do think they are pretty good at maximizing value in the motorcycle market specifically.

The ‘under Euro 12K’ price will be in Europe, including what in most places is 20% VAT.  I’d guess the US price will be about the same price in USD, probably a little less, plus whatever sales tax may apply to your purchase.

I have very little interest in buying the bike. The gas tank is too small and it has wire wheels. I do think it is a nice looking bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 29, 2018, 09:36:22 PM
Yep.
Just how do you think that can be made to happen ?

A lot of test hours and miles. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 30, 2018, 04:33:30 AM
I bought my new Guzzis when Guzzi was still Guzzi. I have little interest in an Aprilia or Piaggio.  :evil:

Bullshit Charlie! The company was owned by the Tomato by the time of the Eldo and G5! :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on September 30, 2018, 08:31:30 AM
The V85 looks great, but they all do when they're at this stage.   Hopefully, there won't be some stupid issue with running gear, a map, or lights, or charging system... 
Have at her boys.  I'll probably not buy this model, only because it has that ADV look about it and we're not partial to that style right now.  If I don't see a new model that checks the boxes that suit our style of touring, I'll probably see what aprilia has at the time.  So far, we have a Guzzi and aprilia dealership that are only 2-ish hours away.  Parts and service(if I can't do it), although a pain, is relatively close.   
I'm hoping that Guzzi comes up with a "more Breva than Norge" style bike with this new lump...for our 2up trips through the mountains of WV.  If not,  it'll be interesting to see what the sister company comes up with.
If nothing from either side, I may have to look elsewhere for our new scoot.   Although buying a later model Norge and stripping it down to my tastes isn't totally out of the question.
I've only had 3 Guzzi.   2 used and 1 new.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 30, 2018, 09:46:33 AM
Bullshit Charlie! The company was owned by the Tomato by the time of the Eldo and G5! :evil:

Pete

The two situations are in no way comparable:  when DeTomaso owned Guzzi it was a fully functioning company with company management, engineering staff, parts organization that interfaced with Centro Ricambi and so on. This had been the case continuously since the Mandello company was founded a million years ago.  Under Piaggio, Guzzi as a registered company was dissolved and it is now a Piaggio brand name and a factory, with essentially no professional staff..  The engineering is done mostly by people in Pontedera.  Moto Guzzi was ended as a company under Piaggio.

I've had four Guzzis, one bought new, and the latest and I'm guessing probably last was the new one built in 1997.  At that time time my income and investments were just at the point that I could consider $10-15K new bikes and since then I've bought others, as well as a bunch of used Ducatis.  However, I skipped the last real Guzzi (the V11 Sport) because the plastic tank and overtly retro styling turned me off a bit and not long after Aprilia took over, which was sort of OK, and then Piaggio, which has been a disaster in my eyes.  If the V85TT were truly and functionally an updated replacement for my R100GS I think I'd consider it, which is more than I could say for anything else Piaggio has built but for a small block bike to rise to that level of overall performance, functionality and quality is a stretch.  Time will tell...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 30, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
 Come on, not this crap again !
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Litre1000 on September 30, 2018, 10:04:15 AM
The two situations are in no way comparable:  when DeTomaso owned Guzzi it was a fully functioning company with company management, engineering staff, parts organization that interfaced with Centro Ricambi and so on. This had been the case continuously since the Mandello company was founded a million years ago.  Under Piaggio the company an an organization was dissolved and it is now a Piaggio brand name and a factory, with essentially no professional staff..  The engineering is done mostly by people in Pontedera.  Moto Guzzi was ended as a company under Piaggio.
That’s the point. I don’t even own a Guzzi....yet. But, I can see they aren’t “real”... I feel the brand was bought and gutted. Everything made since is just a “fronter”. It looks like a Guzzi, but it ain’t no Guzzi. Why am I here? Im learning about the Guzzi that interests me. A Daytona, a Scura, or V11 Sport Lemans...
On a side-note... when looking at how the other brands are investing big bucks into their lineups, I can’t understand why a new version of the MGS-01 isn’t released to the public. I’m ready for that!!!!!!!


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 30, 2018, 10:14:46 AM
@Litre1000, the MGS-01 was designed and assembled by a consultant company near Mandello, and that possibility was ended when Piaggio took over.  As I understood it from somebody near Pontedera, Ghezzi (the consultant designer) had been hired by Guzzi by that point but was alienated by Piaggio and left soon after.

Since then Piaggio has been bumbling along without much in the way of inspiration, eventually ending production of what Aprilia designed during their period of control, without replacing it.  Guzzis current best seller is based on improving a 1970s design. Miguel Galluzzi joined Piaggio and then moved away to Pasadena, California where he originally went to school, and he's used as a resource.  He's a super talented guy by all accounts but I get the impression the impact of his ideas is restricted by Piaggio.  The cruiser thing looks like a lot of other competitors and hasn't been successful in the market.  I don't know if he was involved in the V85TT or not, but I do see it as having potential, personally.  Working on the cheaper-to-produce small block might be the right direction if they can do as Ducati did, taking the budget engine and improving it greatly over time.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on September 30, 2018, 12:43:07 PM
I bought my new Guzzis when Guzzi was still Guzzi. I have little interest in an Aprilia or Piaggio.  :evil:

Thanks for insulting my V7iii.

I recall when this board was a friendlier place.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on September 30, 2018, 12:46:46 PM
11 pages of mostly BS. I would be surprised if during the first year of sales, this group buys a half dozen.   :evil:   :smiley:

I would be happy to accept a bet that by the end of the first year of sales there are more than 6 members on this board owning the new bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 30, 2018, 12:48:00 PM
I would be happy to accept a bet that by the end of the first year of sales there are more than 6 members on this board owning the new bike.
I'll have three please...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on September 30, 2018, 01:44:47 PM
Winter starting early this year? Or are we seeing sectarianism?  :grin:
Fortunately I'm unprincipled enough to enjoy both old and new Guzzis.  :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on September 30, 2018, 02:08:02 PM
Thanks for insulting my V7iii.

I recall when this board was a friendlier place.
Rob, your V7 is a direct descendant of the 80's small blocks. Not Aprilia, with a facelift by Piaggio.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/kPv2rz/2_CB91_EF2_1_CE0_4_BF8_97_A2_B4_FAAA1_A963_F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kPv2rz)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on September 30, 2018, 03:18:39 PM
11 pages of mostly BS. I would be surprised if during the first year of sales, this group buys a half dozen.   :evil:   :smiley:
I really think you will lose your bet. I already have had money down on one for several months now. Today I am in Florence and tomorrow off to the factory in del Lario. Hopefully I will see the V85 up close and will get some pictures. I will look at the attachment of the swing arm, brand of rear shock, and possibility for center stand. Any others?


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on September 30, 2018, 03:33:43 PM
You guys make me laugh with your “last real Guzzi” stuff.  How many times has Ducati changed hands?  It’s owned by VW fer chrissakes.  Does that mean they’re not “real” Ducati’s?  Dumbest post on here this week.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 30, 2018, 05:26:28 PM
I have to agree John. I know I'm probably a bit guilty of it myself and I despise what Piaggio have done with Guzzi so far the fact remains that it is virtually impossible in this day and age to have a small, stand alone company. It's simply a business model that won't fly in something as complex as vehicle manufacture.

It's all very well to hark back to the 'Good Old days' but in reality they weren't so crash-hot and despite the yearnings of some for junk like points and carburettors and the pathological fear of 'Plastic' the fact remains that in almost every quantifiable way modern vehicles are cleaner, more economical and more reliable than those from those supposedly 'Good' old days. Yes, it can be argued that there is added 'Complexity' but if that were the sole criteria for rejection we's all still be riding VB Ariels and BSA M20's!

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Aaron D. on September 30, 2018, 05:31:43 PM
Everyone knows real Guzzis have only 1 cylinder, right?

The "corporate identity" thing is silly. They are machines. Every company that lasts beyond its original designer and founder is changed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 30, 2018, 05:56:28 PM
John and Peter as my heros... Who knew?!?

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Aaron D. on September 30, 2018, 06:13:09 PM
Ironically, in a very real way the simplest motorcycle I ever owned has been my Indian Scout.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 30, 2018, 07:48:03 PM
How so?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 30, 2018, 07:51:51 PM
The "corporate identity" thing is silly. They are machines. Every company that lasts beyond its original designer and founder is changed.

Carlo Guzzi died in 1964, my first visit there was in 1989 and there was very clearly an identity to the place and the product that was present there until probably 2002 or so.  In 2004 things started to change, although with a great big 1921 factory, statue of Carlo Guzzi, and V8 sculpture there it's a bit hard to erase. I've  been there about ten times in all and if you haven't been and are open to changing an uninformed opiion, I'd suggest going. 

Piaggio is not Moto Guzzi, and Italy is not corporate America (or corporate Germany either for that matter, in reference to the Ducati/VW comment above.  My newest of four Ducatis is a 2001, with good reason).  I might consider a new MV.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 30, 2018, 08:05:56 PM
Thanks for insulting my V7iii.

I recall when this board was a friendlier place.

The V7 is the only reason I own a Moto Guzzi.  For the money there are a lot more reliable machines out there, but none with a shaft drive.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 30, 2018, 08:08:59 PM
Your assumption that others have not been there is based on what?

Your final statement would indicate to me that you are stuck in the past like an insect in amber. Either that or you are making a statement with slightly odd undertones of nationalism and racism?

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jdgretz on September 30, 2018, 08:45:30 PM
Being one of those apparently rare individuals who bought their Guzzi as a new bike, I have to say that this one has me interested.  I'd like more than 200 mile range - in fact, 200 miles is sort of my lower limit for mileage on a tank of fuel - with reserve to go.

My desire is for a lightish weight, light off-road duty motorcycle.  Something what will handle gravel and hard packed dirt well and can fall over without costing $1000 in parts to fix.  I want to be able to ride to the aircraft crash sites in the Mojave desert, Scotty's Castle in Death Valley, Bodie Ghost Town (last 7 miles are gravel and dirt), and some of the neat places in Utah, without worrying about the plastic on the Norge, the weight of the Norge, or the silly idea of taking my Goldwing to those places.

I don't plan to spend a year in South America riding single track, so something like this sounds good to me.  The F800GS is too expensive and has the anti-theft antenna issue to worry about.  The other real options to me are a Ural or CSC RX-3 for around $4K (which probably makes the most sense, but I still like the idea of the V85).

As for the mileage figures quoted back a few pages - a quick look at Fuelly.com shows what people are reporting on the V7 series.  Most folks are getting mid-40s - be they V7, V7II or V7III in whatever trim.  There are currently no V9s listed.

jdg
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 30, 2018, 08:53:52 PM
Your assumption that others have not been there is based on what?

Your final statement would indicate to me that you are stuck in the past like an insect in amber. Either that or you are making a statement with slightly odd undertones of nationalism and racism?

Pete

Really?  Thats a bit bizarre, eh? It appears that somebody else is "slightly odd" to me.

I've travelled enough (I hold three passports, and speak three languages) and done enough with motorcycles to understand what has lasting value to the market, and what is cheap, transient nonsense...  and by the way IMO that includes your over dramatized silliness.

Do you still remember, Pete, your assertion that Piaggio should move Guzzi to Monza?  If they'd done that Piaggio would have killed them like Gilera by now, absolutely no question. What Guzzi has to sell is exactly its culture and values, blended into a bike that people enjoy riding and owning as a reflection of those values. That does not mean living in the past, especially given Guzzis long history of combining creative innovation with practicality, and it's been obvious for a long time.  Piaggio has started to figure that out, but unfortunately they spent the R&D budget ineffectually copying BMW.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 30, 2018, 08:56:42 PM
Thanks for insulting my V7iii.

I recall when this board was a friendlier place.

Wow, you make one little joke and folks get all upset. You did see the smiling devil at the end of the sentence, no? Holy crap...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 30, 2018, 09:54:06 PM
This is very entertaining to say the least.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beetle on September 30, 2018, 10:46:10 PM
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/f187bf10.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 30, 2018, 10:53:32 PM
It appears whoever created that cartoon knows very little about Citroen, their involvement in technology, and what it might do to an Italian marque.  Maseratis built during the period of Citroens ownership (pre De Tomaso) in actuality added inappropriate technology relative to the Maserati market's interests, not the converse.  Pneumatic power assisted clutch, anybody?  The 'Citroen' Maseratis (Merak, Khamsin etc) are valued lower today for that reason.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beetle on September 30, 2018, 11:17:53 PM
Geez, get a sense of humour installed, will you? There I fixed it for you.  :rolleyes:




Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 30, 2018, 11:22:11 PM
Wow, that was creative.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on October 01, 2018, 12:47:10 AM
Really?  Thats a bit bizarre, eh? It appears that somebody else is "slightly odd" to me.

I've travelled enough (I hold three passports, and speak three languages) and done enough with motorcycles to understand what has lasting value to the market, and what is cheap, transient nonsense...  and by the way IMO that includes your over dramatized silliness.

Do you still remember, Pete, your assertion that Piaggio should move Guzzi to Monza?

I suggest a rinse for the sand.

I remember well suggesting that moving the manufacture of Guzzis to a green field site would be a sensible thing to do rather than continuing to build them in a crumbling, tween-wars fascist edifice in the centre of a small medieval town with ridiculously limited infrastructure and access, yes. I still think it would be the right thing to do.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 01, 2018, 06:03:48 AM
Being one of those apparently rare individuals who bought their Guzzi as a new bike, I have to say that this one has me interested.  I'd like more than 200 mile range - in fact, 200 miles is sort of my lower limit for mileage on a tank of fuel - with reserve to go.

My desire is for a lightish weight, light off-road duty motorcycle.  Something what will handle gravel and hard packed dirt well and can fall over without costing $1000 in parts to fix.  I want to be able to ride to the aircraft crash sites in the Mojave desert, Scotty's Castle in Death Valley, Bodie Ghost Town (last 7 miles are gravel and dirt), and some of the neat places in Utah, without worrying about the plastic on the Norge, the weight of the Norge, or the silly idea of taking my Goldwing to those places.

I don't plan to spend a year in South America riding single track, so something like this sounds good to me.  The F800GS is too expensive and has the anti-theft antenna issue to worry about.  The other real options to me are a Ural or CSC RX-3 for around $4K (which probably makes the most sense, but I still like the idea of the V85).

As for the mileage figures quoted back a few pages - a quick look at Fuelly.com shows what people are reporting on the V7 series.  Most folks are getting mid-40s - be they V7, V7II or V7III in whatever trim.  There are currently no V9s listed.

jdg
Mid 40's sounds low. I tend to get lower mileage than a lot of people report on bikes but even I never get less than high 40's (48+) and usually get low 50's on my MkI V7.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on October 01, 2018, 06:13:08 AM
 Chill fellas, enough with the personal insults.

 Dusty
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Aaron D. on October 01, 2018, 06:13:27 AM
How so?

Besides the lack of ABS, rider modes etc, the single TB means no syncing. The belt is low maintenance and can be changed at the roadside in 30 minutes or less. One instrument, single disc, and even though a firt-run bike only a leaking stator seal and thermostat housing (replaced immediately) are the only warranty issues on mine. Fewer with my wife's.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Aaron D. on October 01, 2018, 06:15:22 AM
Carlo Guzzi died in 1964, my first visit there was in 1989 and there was very clearly an identity to the place and the product that was present there until probably 2002 or so.  In 2004 things started to change, although with a great big 1921 factory, statue of Carlo Guzzi, and V8 sculpture there it's a bit hard to erase. I've  been there about ten times in all and if you haven't been and are open to changing an uninformed opiion, I'd suggest going. 

Piaggio is not Moto Guzzi, and Italy is not corporate America (or corporate Germany either for that matter, in reference to the Ducati/VW comment above.  My newest of four Ducatis is a 2001, with good reason).  I might consider a new MV.
By corporate identity, I mean the machines themselves. Nice to hear and read about factories and the individuals at them, but it means little to me on the road.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on October 01, 2018, 01:29:28 PM
What do I not understand here? Five and a half years ago I bought my white V7 Stone new because it was exactly the bike I wanted. Because it was basically hand-build in an old, crumbling factory in a medieval North Italian town. Because it was a basically a bike from the seventies of the last century, but with a makeover of the engine from Aprilia. Because it sounded good, looked good, had a metal tank but electronic fuel injection and cats, was light, fun to ride and seldom. First I wanted a Harley Sportster Roadster 883, but the Guzzi ticked more boxes. Today I still love the bike. It is in the process of getting a fork upgrade (Mupo emulators), and, yes, the gearbox needs and gets repair, but still...

And the V85? I really look forward to that bike. In the moment nothing competes directly (in this it resembles the Himalayan), And Guzzi has clearly stated that more models with the new engine will follow.

What they do is following a simple strategy: earn money with a model (V7) by steadily improving it, try to get into markets where there is not too many competition (V9), and even try to attack the big boys (1400 vs all the big American and Japanese cruisers). But with an own recipe. And now: expanding in a logical way into markets where they could be successful. But still with the own recipe.

I cannot see that Piaggio makes something bad. They give Guzzi the chance to grow. And up to now the riders of the new bikes like their bikes, often really love them (like me myself). 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on October 01, 2018, 01:34:55 PM
 Good post Fossil  :thumb:

 Dusty
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on October 01, 2018, 02:34:33 PM
 :thumb: :thumb:  fossil

Not sure if this color combo was posted.
Can't wait to see the "road" versions.

(https://www.motociclismo.it/articoli/image/70088/2/B)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on October 01, 2018, 02:44:34 PM
Got to the gate about five to three in the rain. Museum is good but I was disappointed they would not give out info. I worked on three at the Guzzi building but found out more at Agostini. He was tight lipped as well. Looks like they built twenty test bikes and they do have plans to build a crossover pipe to replace the cat. Seemed to indicate dealers would be notified on specs next month with delivery by January. I had a portion of a brochure translated which indicated tube tires. Reluctantly he said seat heir was about two inches below his belt line. Other than that they stonewalled me. I guess we continue to wait.



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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on October 01, 2018, 02:46:38 PM
Translated from a brochure at museum office.

GRINDOSA BRAKING 1. The one-piece saddle is quite low, in the portion dedicated to the pilot, in order to easily touch the ground: it is wide and well shaped, but we would like it a little more tapered in the front area. The solid steel luggage rack integrates the handles. 2. The tailpipe has a classic shape with an oval section (to reduce lateral dimensions) and emits a very civil sound. Pure too much. 3. The generous front braking system uses two 320 mm floating discs combined with radial calipers, all from Brembo. Two-piston floating caliper and fixed disc at the rear. The spoke circles require the use of inner tubes. 4. On the aluminum side plates on fixed the swingarm pivot are also connected to the rider's pedals (with removable rubber) and passenger. Adjustable brake and shift pads with an eccentric.


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on October 01, 2018, 02:55:24 PM
Though they were tight-lipped, well sleuthed!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on October 01, 2018, 02:55:42 PM
:thumb: :thumb:  fossil

Not sure if this color combo was posted.
Can't wait to see the "road" versions.

(https://www.motociclismo.it/articoli/image/70088/2/B)

Would I buy one?  Hell yeah. :thumb:

Have I the money to buy one?  Hell no. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 02, 2018, 07:02:14 AM
Good post Fossil  :thumb:

 Dusty
Yes Dusty.
That really did say it all didn't it.
So many people here (including me), spend far too much time decrying other people's choices.
I resolve to stop doing it...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on October 02, 2018, 08:53:36 AM
And the V85? I really look forward to that bike. In the moment nothing competes directly (in this it resembles the Himalayan), And Guzzi has clearly stated that more models with the new engine will follow.

What they do is following a simple strategy: earn money with a model (V7) by steadily improving it, try to get into markets where there is not too many competition (V9), and even try to attack the big boys (1400 vs all the big American and Japanese cruisers). But with an own recipe. And now: expanding in a logical way into markets where they could be successful. But still with the own recipe.

I cannot see that Piaggio makes something bad. They give Guzzi the chance to grow. And up to now the riders of the new bikes like their bikes, often really love them (like me myself).

What you're describing is essentially what I suggested as the right path, and in fact the path that Piaggio has belatedly pursued, because its the only one that makes any sense.  Their approach is a little awkward still, kitschy retro etc, but improving,  The interesting thing is that with little initial investment, Aprilia and then Piaggio could have (and should have) followed this path in 2004-2005. Now, thirteen years later maybe, maybe they understand they can only sell Guzzis strengths and values, not erase Guzzis values and conceitedly force Guzzi badged Aprilia/Piaggios into the market in a vain attempt to make Piaggio into BMW, and gratify their corporate ego.  By failing miserably in that pursuit, maybe they have learned something.

Ducati did the same thing under government mismanagement in the 70s, with the block headed parallel twins, 860GT etc. that were their lowest point, but then by introduction of the SL Pantah, increasing production of SS's etc and attracting more enthusiastic and passionate attention, they eventually came under Cagiva management and away they went...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jGuz on October 02, 2018, 08:56:40 AM
Is anyone else turned off by the digital displays?  I've always liked analog speedos and tachos - they just fit the nature of motorcycles.  Motorcycles are an escape from the sterility of contemporary life - I want to look away from screens when I'm on my bike. 

I just hope the bike is simple and solid.  It doesn't need anything fancy, it just needs to work.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on October 02, 2018, 09:13:39 AM
Is anyone else turned off by the digital displays?  I've always liked analog speedos and tachos - they just fit the nature of motorcycles.  Motorcycles are an escape from the sterility of contemporary life - I want to look away from screens when I'm on my bike. 

I just hope the bike is simple and solid.  It doesn't need anything fancy, it just needs to work.

Agreed.  Digital displays are cheap and effective, but a lot like being in the office at work for many people.  I think an esthetic that would work for the Guzzi concept is minimized digital displays, i.e. small and compact, giving the impression of being easy to remove and replace if needed.  Like a Jeep or 2018 version of the original GS instrument pod, and not like a late model BMW (or Gold Wing  :grin:)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on October 02, 2018, 09:34:26 AM
I like analog gauges but emissions regulations mean fuel injection and on board software to manage it.  On board software means occasional error codes and that requires a digital readout or interface to diagnose or reset.  We don't all want ABS and TC and cruise control but the majority of riders today do want those things.  That's especially true with the ADV crowd.  It's impossible without a digital dash.         
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on October 02, 2018, 11:08:51 AM
We don't all want ABS and TC and cruise control but the majority of riders today do want those things.  That's especially true with the ADV crowd.  It's impossible without a digital dash.       

Once you have electronic throttle and ABS/ wheel rotation sensors the rest is simply additional lines of code so the cost of manufacture is negligible.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on October 02, 2018, 01:29:20 PM
I like analog gauges but emissions regulations mean fuel injection and on board software to manage it.  On board software means occasional error codes and that requires a digital readout or interface to diagnose or reset.  We don't all want ABS and TC and cruise control but the majority of riders today do want those things.  That's especially true with the ADV crowd.  It's impossible without a digital dash.         

I have a feeling that this is exactly it...

Not a fan of the digital layout, but it isn't the worst one I have seen...at least it got color? *shrug*...

Here is a video from the Intermot 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRWs5ITiStE

So far it looks good!...

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on October 02, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
I wonder what that bike would look like with a low front fender..... :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on October 02, 2018, 02:45:09 PM
I like analog gauges but emissions regulations mean fuel injection and on board software to manage it.  On board software means occasional error codes and that requires a digital readout or interface to diagnose or reset.  We don't all want ABS and TC and cruise control but the majority of riders today do want those things.  That's especially true with the ADV crowd.  It's impossible without a digital dash.       

I wholeheartedly agree, but there are some arguments to be made for an analog (looking, at least) tach.  I have ridden some bikes with these all digital dashes (where the tach is usually a bar graph, and not always in a "natural" location and layout) and it's very hard to see what the engine is doing at a glance.

I admit that at least this layout Aprilia/MG are using is more natural than is found on some Yamahas and Hondas lately
(https://www.todocircuito.com/ckfinder/userfiles/images/motoguzzi-v85tt-2019-3%20(3)(745).jpg)


But you could so something like this, show all the digital info you want and still have a "normal" tach:
(https://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/1000_1x_/public/images/2016/10/2017-suzuki-v-strom-650_xal7_meter_1.jpg?itok=DBpqX871)


Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on October 02, 2018, 02:52:57 PM
Funny that part of the dash is in Italian - Pioggia...it's raining, not to be confused with Piaggio, and the rest of the dash is in English.  Odd that they are not synched...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: timax on October 02, 2018, 03:21:57 PM
Thats quite funny.
I would assume if your on a motorbike and its raining you wouldnt need to read it on the dash.
Or is this a rain mode or forecast?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 02, 2018, 03:26:08 PM
Thats quite funny.
I would assume if your on a motorbike and its raining you wouldnt need to read it on the dash.
Or is this a rain mode or forecast?
It's rain mode, less aggressive throttle, more aggressive TC.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: F-22 on October 02, 2018, 03:36:18 PM
Since it's got such a big screen and still those classic dashboard lights at the sides for neutral, turn signals and other stuff, it would be really cool if it could show up satnav.

Edit: actually, looking at the photo, there is some map icon at the top, so it probably will do something like that...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on October 02, 2018, 03:39:02 PM
Funny that part of the dash is in Italian - Pioggia...it's raining, not to be confused with Piaggio, and the rest of the dash is in English.  Odd that they are not synched...

That's normal. Same thing on my 1400. Veloce, Tourismo, and Pioggia. Measurements are all in USA, not metric.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on October 02, 2018, 04:25:50 PM
If you want to get mellow, you don't need a tach.
 :boozing:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/hYmcDe/64_B6_E719_3361_4_B7_D_BED9_D465890_C71_A0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hYmcDe)


That's probably true.  But, I don't think anybody has ever described my riding style as mellow.  I am often very thankful for those rev limiters...    :laugh:


I just saw this, from the new Indian FTR1200:
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/100118middle2.jpg)

Seems like a good compromise between having an all digital dash and putting the info in an easy to read format.

Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on October 02, 2018, 04:31:15 PM
That's normal. Same thing on my 1400. Veloce, Tourismo, and Pioggia. Measurements are all in USA, not metric.

John Henry

There is no setting to change the language?   :huh:  That's pretty surprising.  Yes, I can see how that plays on the Italian character of the bike/brand, but it's almost trivial to do when you are programming the display. 

Is there a user selectable setting to change from IP (inch-pound or Imperial) to metric?

Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clancy on October 02, 2018, 05:19:00 PM
Top left is a fuel tank level indicator, though it's probably just determined by calculated mileage.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on October 02, 2018, 05:42:52 PM
Top left is a fuel tank level indicator, though it's probably just determined by calculated mileage.

I learnt not to trust fuel gauge...even in a car...

I pushed enough cars in my days to know that...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on October 03, 2018, 08:03:50 AM
That's probably true.  But, I don't think anybody has ever described my riding style as mellow.  I am often very thankful for those rev limiters...    :laugh:


I just saw this, from the new Indian FTR1200:
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/100118middle2.jpg)

Seems like a good compromise between having an all digital dash and putting the info in an easy to read format.

Gustavo

That is actually the upscale "S" version of the FTR.  $2000 more to get that display in the US.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on October 03, 2018, 08:35:42 AM
It's rain mode, less aggressive throttle, more aggressive TC.

Also cuts power substantially.  The 1400 can barely get out of it's way in Rain mode.  I think it's something like 60% power.  Tourismo has a smoother throttle response but full power and Veloce is miserable around town but nice if you want to flog the thing in the mountains.  I've ridden in a few frog stranglers and never bothered with it.  I usually leave the TC on the least intrusive level but I tried the higher TC settings in one downpour and that was plenty in terms of killing wheelspin. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on October 03, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
Agree that the Pioggia setting is essentially useless. I do, however, use Veloce as my default mode. I don’t find it overly sensitive, and the bike feels much more lively. I can understand a preference for Turismo, though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on October 03, 2018, 11:06:40 AM
More videos from the V85TT intro are popping up:

https://youtu.be/xEx9CI6mSyk


Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on October 04, 2018, 07:14:40 PM
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/did-moto-guzzi-unveil-the-most-salable-bike-at-intermot-2018?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=boosted-posts%7Ctpfn&utm_content=common-tread-news&utm_term=did-moto-guzzi-unveil-the-most-salable-bike-at-intermot-2018-100418-%7Ctpfn
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bud on October 04, 2018, 07:29:27 PM
     Thanks for that one Steve.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on October 04, 2018, 07:38:54 PM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on October 04, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
Man oh Man...a V85 in Blue!  Now that's a looker!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 05, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
When are they going to relase the offical spec sheet?   

I found it, EICMA Novmber 6.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on October 13, 2018, 01:57:39 PM
The Bottom-Line:

* 80 HP
* about 441 pounds
* about $14,000 USD

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

This is verified?  No link for me anyway.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on October 13, 2018, 02:24:53 PM
Almost there.

All the specs should be present with the roll out in Europe in November.
Lots of debate about HPWR at the rear wheel.
Weight less than 450
Price $ 12,700 USD at current rate

I’d like to know seat height :)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: not-fishing on October 13, 2018, 02:48:28 PM
I admit that I'm a little slow on the uptake but it just occurred to me that Guzzi was basically building competition to the

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-l5ZFW946cTs/UAyK4mNq3SI/AAAAAAAALwg/HeKgXvfxurM/s800/_TDD2077.JPG)

And I'm good with that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on October 13, 2018, 03:13:40 PM
As noted before, there isnt a tremendous value in direct comparison of projected European and US retail price.  Sales tax (VAT) is around 20% in most European countries and is typically included in the European retail price quote because its a bigger fraction of the total.  In the US sales tax varies and is zero in some states so nationwide advertising does not typically include tax.  Also, the European market is less competitive and inporters can control price more effectively, which means that the prices are higher even without tax.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on October 13, 2018, 03:16:28 PM
Bet the V85 would be a hoot to ride down to the MotoGP in Austin....  :drool:
My buddies on their KTM's and BMW's.... :bike-037: :bike-037:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on October 13, 2018, 08:09:16 PM
Almost there.

All the specs should be present with the roll out in Europe in November.
Lots of debate about HPWR at the rear wheel.
Weight less than 450
Price $ 12,700 USD at current rate

I�d like to know seat height :)

Check this fact.... but I think the seat height will be 32-30 inches...which is a good thing for us short guys!! :cool: :thumb: :smiley:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tennmoto on October 14, 2018, 05:50:52 AM
About the motor
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motociclismo.it%2Fmoto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088&edit-text=
Wow after reading that article I really want one!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on October 20, 2018, 03:24:57 PM
Wow after reading that article I really want one!

This is starting to get interesting. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on October 20, 2018, 03:38:38 PM
"Maniacal valves" :shocked: :grin:

The mind boggles.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: MadMike on October 21, 2018, 07:59:50 AM
I admit that I'm a little slow on the uptake but it just occurred to me that Guzzi was basically building competition to the

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-l5ZFW946cTs/UAyK4mNq3SI/AAAAAAAALwg/HeKgXvfxurM/s800/_TDD2077.JPG)

And I'm good with that.

Except with Shaft Drive! I'm Soooo Good with that! Lack of driveshaft has kept me away from most if not all middle weight ADVs from the Europe.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on October 21, 2018, 09:47:06 AM
Here Kev - read this: https://www.wired.com/2015/08/motorcycles-lean-far-without-tipping/ (https://www.wired.com/2015/08/motorcycles-lean-far-without-tipping/)

In the case of taller suspension and the resulting higher CG, you will require a higher 'fake force' to counter the higher 'mg' force. Taller bikes feel heavier because their GC is further from the fulcrum (ground). As a consequence, a higher 'friction' force (speed) needs to be applied at any given lean angle. Tall enduro bikes with skinny / knobby tires are an extreme example. You only get a fraction of the lean angle on an XR650 than you will on an R1 due to the high GC and low tire friction. Knobbies in the dirt significantly increase friction allowing higher speed and lean angle. On the road, you have to compensate with body lean to keep the bike from overpowering frictional force or you low-side the bike.
(https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/sketches_spring_2015_key5.jpg)

This is another decent discussion on the subject: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/211193/effect-of-position-on-a-motorbike-turning (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/211193/effect-of-position-on-a-motorbike-turning)

you mean to say the bike is "top heavy"? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on October 21, 2018, 10:12:18 AM
Except with Shaft Drive! I'm Soooo Good with that! Lack of driveshaft has kept me away from most if not all middle weight ADVs from the Europe.

I felt the same way, but with the installation of a Scottoiler automatic chain lubrication system, there is no longer a need to manually lube OR clean the chain. And chain final drive is light, simple, efficient and reliable.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on October 21, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
 I respectfully interject.
Lighter...  agreed
Simpler… Less parts doesn’t always mean simpler… Chain being much more than one part
 More efficient? I do not think so
 Reliable?… With substantial and increased level of maintenance still not.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on October 22, 2018, 03:22:48 PM
Definitely more efficient.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Toecutter on October 22, 2018, 03:27:17 PM
The more I read... the more I see the Africa Twin being a much more sensible purchase. Same price. Aside from interest in the Guzzi name, I don't see a lot of reason to pick the V85 over the AT.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on October 22, 2018, 03:46:25 PM
I respectfully interject.
Lighter...  agreed
Simpler… Less parts doesn’t always mean simpler… Chain being much more than one part
 More efficient? I do not think so
 Reliable?… With substantial and increased level of maintenance still not.

30lbs lighter
Much, much simpler.  Less parts is the definition of more simple
More efficient because it's 30lbs lighter and has fewer and lighter parts
More reliable than shaft drive.  Have you ever seen a chain break that's been maintained?  I haven't and I've had at least 40 chain drive bikes.  You see dozens of pictures of BMW's on the side of the road with the final drive on fire.  Peruse ADVrider for a few hours.  You won't see a single post about a chain breaking but you'll find at least a dozen shaft drive failures. 


This argument has been had a hundred times on the board.  It is less expensive to run an O or X ring chain and quality sprockets than it is a Guzzi shaft drive.  The only way you can argue a Guzzi shaft drive is cheaper over 100k miles is if you place no value on your time and do all the maintenance yourself.  If you run a Scottoiler you can EASILY get 30,000 miles from a chain and sprockets.  I like the Guzzi shaft drive system.  It's reliable and it's the only main system on my bike I have no qualms about what-so-ever.  However, it's not simpler or more reliable or anything else compared to chain drive.  It's just different.     
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: MadMike on October 22, 2018, 04:42:37 PM
If chains were so good- Cars would have 'em but they don't, so shaft is better. That makes Moto Guzzi better than cars with chain drive.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on October 22, 2018, 06:33:58 PM
The more I read... the more I see the Africa Twin being a much more sensible purchase. Same price. Aside from interest in the Guzzi name, I don't see a lot of reason to pick the V85 over the AT.

I test rode the Africa twin along with two versions of KTM adventure bikes.

If you are looking for a reliable commuter and have a few gravel roads on your commute the AT is the way to go.  If you are riding for the love of riding and excitement of riding look elsewhere.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on October 22, 2018, 06:35:58 PM
I test rode the Africa twin along with two versions of KTM adventure bikes.

If you are looking for a reliable commuter and have a few gravel roads on your commute the AT is the way to go.  If you are riding for the love of riding and excitement of riding look elsewhere.

Funny thing your statement is true for most Honda...

Love Honda to pieces for its awesome reliability but at the same time they turn into a bore after a while on the saddle...

One of the few reasons why I sold my Shadow...love the bike but kind of have no soul...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on October 22, 2018, 07:23:10 PM
The more I read... the more I see the Africa Twin being a much more sensible purchase. Same price. Aside from interest in the Guzzi name, I don't see a lot of reason to pick the V85 over the AT.

Suggest you ride them both, then decide.  Buy the one that makes ya smile, not the one with the spec sheet read best. Make Sense?

I rode a friends AT/DCT for a few hours and was happy to get off the seat. i was not impressed and founding it very boring, not inspired by the AT motor, nope, not at all. 

If it doesn't make me smile I don't buy it, simple really.

Paul

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 22, 2018, 08:02:20 PM
Don't discount how easy the Guzzi is to service.
For example, it looks like an hour just to GET to the Africa Twin valves.  Just sayin.............. ..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on October 23, 2018, 03:49:18 AM
Funny thing your statement is true for most Honda...

Love Honda to pieces for its awesome reliability but at the same time they turn into a bore after a while on the saddle...


I have owned a few Hondas. The steppys were fun.  The CB100 was an awesome commuter bike. The CB 250 RS I have cruised at 130km/hr and a barrel of laughs in the twisties.  The GB400 might not have been powerful but boy it was quick in the tight turns.

Perhaps it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow... <shrug>
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on October 23, 2018, 10:45:17 AM
I have owned a few Hondas. The steppys were fun.  The CB100 was an awesome commuter bike. The CB 250 RS I have cruised at 130km/hr and a barrel of laughs in the twisties.  The GB400 might not have been powerful but boy it was quick in the tight turns.

Perhaps it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow... <shrug>

Oh no doubt there are some fun ones, therefore, I said "most".

I had fun on my brother's Monkey, my friend's older CB and some of the trial bikes...and yes, it is fun to ride slow bike fast than a fast bike slow :)

Also When it comes to the newer stuff like the new CB1100...great on paper with all the specs, but I just can't get myself into it my buddy and I traded bikes one weekend...

or the NC750 (I know it has a DCT) before I bought the V7...it checked literally all the boxes as I was looking for a mid size CC touring/street bike, but again, I just can't feel the vibe...

Maybe I am getting pickier as years go on... :tongue:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on October 24, 2018, 09:03:54 AM
Sign up for a test ride.
http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/#testride
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on October 24, 2018, 03:36:12 PM
Done!  I filled it out even though mine is to be the first one that comes in anyway.  A step in the right direction.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on October 25, 2018, 04:49:17 PM
Im loving this bike. This may be my next bike. Ive ridden Hondas. They are not bad. But ive seen some bad mechanical failures on Hondas, Yamahas, suzukis, to name a few. I put more stock in proper maitenance and upkeep than brand. Moto Guzzi wins in my book for easy maitenance, quality and fun. Im thinking wait a year for a preloved V85. I may not be able to wait though. I think in the looks department the Honda africa twin loses to Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on October 26, 2018, 08:37:54 AM
Has anyone seen a torque number for the V85?? 

.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on October 26, 2018, 08:44:34 AM
Almost there.

All the specs should be present with the roll out in Europe in November.
Lots of debate about HPWR at the rear wheel.
Weight less than 450
Price $ 12,700 USD at current rate

I’d like to know seat height :)

1. $12,700 MSRP is certainly better than $14,000 :cool:

2. I believe I read the SEAT HEIGHT is 30.5 inches :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on October 26, 2018, 09:57:27 AM
A group of my rider friends here were discussing factors with any of the new Adventure bike models, and we all agreed, especially out West where one has to occasionally flog it on the "Super Slab"...the bike needs to run at 75-80 mph comfortably, without straining the engine, and for hours. :wink: :smiley: :cool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 26, 2018, 10:01:14 AM
Yep,  that's some BIG country out there.
I hope to join it in two years time.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on October 26, 2018, 10:24:48 AM
A group of my rider friends here were discussing factors with any of the new Adventure bike models, and we all agreed, especially out West where one has to occasionally flog it on the "Super Slab"...the bike needs to run at 75-80 mph comfortably, without straining the engine, and for hours. :wink: :smiley: :cool:

My Vespa 300 has done that, my V7 III will run 85-90 all day, been there done that, worry not!  :grin:

Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on October 26, 2018, 10:45:31 AM
Speaking of bikes that need to do 75-80 for a stretch.
Always wanted to buy a bike from the Cali coastal area and ride it back to West Virginia.  That would clean my biking bucket list up a bit.   
1.  Stopping in Denver to ride up Mt. Evans - 14200 ft (give or take).
2.  Highway 1.
3.  Go west middle age man. (if I live to be just over 100)
4.  Hit some classic routes on the way home.  Lincoln Highway (easy enough, goes right through here), Rt50, Rt66....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 26, 2018, 12:18:13 PM
Has anyone seen a torque number for the V85?? 

.

https://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088

80 nm @ 3400 rpms.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on October 26, 2018, 12:42:06 PM
Interesting conversation regarding chain VS shaft. I've had with few exceptions, shaft drives on my motorcycles and far prefer them for the low maintenance and attention. Annual flud change, maybe a shot of grease in a zert, that's it. I have a 78 xs 750 and 79 xs 1100 with well over 100-125k miles with nothing but lube changes.

Yes some parasitic loss of power, yes, some chassis dynamics, but I hated the sound and attention chains demanded. YMMV..... But I'll never own a chain drive again.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 26, 2018, 01:08:07 PM
My dads 73 BMW 750/5 would run all day at 80 as happy as a kitten.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 26, 2018, 01:08:27 PM
Im loving this bike. This may be my next bike. Ive ridden Hondas. They are not bad. But ive seen some bad mechanical failures on Hondas, Yamahas, suzukis, to name a few. I put more stock in proper maitenance and upkeep than brand. Moto Guzzi wins in my book for easy maitenance, quality and fun. Im thinking wait a year for a preloved V85. I may not be able to wait though. I think in the looks department the Honda africa twin loses to Guzzi.
Good common sense, but help the brand and buy a new one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on October 26, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
My Vespa 300 has done that, my V7 III will run 85-90 all day, been there done that, worry not!  :grin:

Paul

I spent ten days in Montana in August and did a lot of sight seeing.  The West is.....VAST.  That's the best word I can use to describe it.  It's also really high in altitude.  The average elevation in Montana is 3,400'.  It's 6,800' in Colorado.  There are over 80 paved roads in Colorado that go above 6,000'.  The average elevation above sea level in Florida is 100'.  I really, really like the V7III(especially the blue Special) but I'm not convinced you'd run 85-90mph all day at 5-8,000' elevation.  If you accept the dyno charts on the internet a V7III has 47-48hp at the wheel. That's at sea level.  It would have about 40hp at 5,000' and about 35hp at 8,000.  That's close to what an old Honda CB350 had and neither of the two CB350's I owned would run 85-90 all day.  You need twice that hp to maintain 80mph out there and that's right where the V85TT is going to come in at.   

I think of the V85TT as an Italian, high spec 650 V-Strom.  That's a good thing as the Wee is one of the all time great ADV bikes.     
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: grebmrof on October 26, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
I find it slightly funny that with the beauty of the V85's fit & finish and the overall look, that they slap that cheap silver plastic eagle on the tank.  Looks like a misplaced wart on a beautiful girl.  It perhaps would look much better with large GUZZI lettering on each side of the tank.  Oh well, easy enough to take off.  I am sure some others out there love the look of the little silver eagle.  Nits...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 26, 2018, 02:29:23 PM
Yeah F chains, belt or shaft any day for me.

https://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088

80 nm @ 3400 rpms.

That's a respectable 59 ft lbs!

Not bad.


John, hp may go down at altitude, but so does wind resistance. It's not 1:1, but it closes the gap.

Honestly I think my V7 with 40 screaming Italian ponies at the wheel will run 75-80 for hours at sea level.

I know Jenn's Duc with power similar to what claimed is on the V85 will without breaking a sweat.

So I'm thinking this would be fine. And with respect to the other comparisons you and I mentioned I believe the V85 has more torque to boot.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 26, 2018, 02:46:09 PM
I prefer to listen to my V7.  While it's capable and has run at 80 it's sweet spot is about 8mph under that.  The entire bike just settles in there.  Makes more sense to me that a number for a number's sake.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 26, 2018, 02:53:28 PM
I prefer to listen to my V7.  While it's capable and has run at 80 it's sweet spot is about 8mph under that.  The entire bike just settles in there.  Makes more sense to me that a number for a number's sake.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really consider my V7 to be a highway bike and definitely think there are better tools for the job.

But on the rare occasion I wear earplugs and a FF the highway seems more effortless than I previously would have thought.

I was out flogging it earlier this week. I found myself about 45 minutes from home with less than 30 to get there in time for the school bus and wicked it up (and made it with 4-5 minutes to spare).

I came up on a Harley who felt the need to wick it up and start passing traffic when he saw me closing. He was hammering it on the straights and pulling away from me till around 80-90, at which point he was running out of steam or desire.

I finally passed him near the ton and dipped into a sweeper I usually take around 70 without effort. He ran way wide and suddenly started dropping back.

I didn't see him again.

I got to my baby girl's bus stop in time.

The V7 felt like it took it all in stride, though I admit it would have been MORE effortless on our other bikes, especially the Duc.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on October 26, 2018, 05:22:23 PM
I find it slightly funny that with the beauty of the V85's fit & finish and the overall look, that they slap that cheap silver plastic eagle on the tank.  Looks like a misplaced wart on a beautiful girl.  It perhaps would look much better with large GUZZI lettering on each side of the tank.  Oh well, easy enough to take off.  I am sure some others out there love the look of the little silver eagle.  Nits...

Yes you loose passing power in Co. but it will run 80-90 all day long on any road there. Yess I've done it! and at 65-70 MPG because of the altitude.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on October 26, 2018, 05:35:13 PM
Quote
But on the rare occasion I wear earplugs and a FF the highway seems more effortless

Kev.. I'm tellin ya.. you are going to be sorry down the road. Ask Wayne..
Wear hearing protection, dammit..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 26, 2018, 08:19:20 PM
Kev.. I'm tellin ya.. you are going to be sorry down the road. Ask Wayne..
Wear hearing protection, dammit..
Thanks and I do HEAR you, no pun intended.

Fwiw I'm 25+ years into riding mostly without plugs or a FF and I suspect my experience is largely because I tend to ride behind a windshield more often than not, but I am aware of the potential hazard.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on October 26, 2018, 08:50:02 PM
Thanks and I do HEAR you, no pun intended.

Fwiw I'm 25+ years into riding mostly without plugs or a FF and I suspect my experience is largely because I tend to ride behind a windshield more often than not, but I am aware of the potential hazard.
The ringing in my ears started roughly 10 years ago - after about 30 years of riding. Not saying it's coming but by the time I realized I had damaged my hearing it was too late. Wearing plugs for anything over my 30 mph commute had kept things from getting worse. Running my big windshield does cut the noise but most of my big miles were on big touring rigs with full fairings and windscreens and it still happened. I think all we're saying is the ounce of prevention line...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on October 26, 2018, 08:57:28 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't really consider my V7 to be a highway bike and definitely think there are better tools for the job.

But on the rare occasion I wear earplugs and a FF the highway seems more effortless than I previously would have thought

I've slabbed the V7 III at 75-80 mph and it handles that speed with plenty of reserve - more than I recall the earlier V7 models having so the new heads do help in the upper 30% of the rev range. Like you though, I think the bike is more suited for 40-60 mph two lanes. Wouldn't want to really attack them like I could on the Griso but I really don't ride that way anymore and find the V7 a much more versatile ride. If the V85 isn't too much heavier and brings better suspension along with the added HP then I will be really tempted to upgrade.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on October 27, 2018, 03:59:53 AM
I spent ten days in Montana in August and did a lot of sight seeing.  The West is.....VAST.  That's the best word I can use to describe it.  It's also really high in altitude.  The average elevation in Montana is 3,400'.  It's 6,800' in Colorado.  There are over 80 paved roads in Colorado that go above 6,000'.  The average elevation above sea level in Florida is 100'.  I really, really like the V7III(especially the blue Special) but I'm not convinced you'd run 85-90mph all day at 5-8,000' elevation.  If you accept the dyno charts on the internet a V7III has 47-48hp at the wheel. That's at sea level.  It would have about 40hp at 5,000' and about 35hp at 8,000.  That's close to what an old Honda CB350 had and neither of the two CB350's I owned would run 85-90 all day.  You need twice that hp to maintain 80mph out there and that's right where the V85TT is going to come in at.   

I think of the V85TT as an Italian, high spec 650 V-Strom.  That's a good thing as the Wee is one of the all time great ADV bikes.   

John, back in 2004 I rode my Convert all over the USA. A 'Vert makes at the very best 48 HP on a good day at close to sea level. I rode at some fairly high elevations and never buggered about with the jetting but it was always happy to cruise at 80 on the flat with more to come if needed and this was while carting my largeness, two rubber chickens, a shit-tonne of tools I never used and camping and traveling equipment for six or seven weeks!

The idea that modern motorbike, even one producing what I expect to be at the very best mid sixties  HP, using even vaguely accurate AP compensation for altitude wont be able to lumber along at a similar velocity, (As long as they haven't completely screwed up the gearing!) is bonkers!

Look, I have no great hopes or fears for the V85, I certainly won't be buying one! But the ability to cruise at any altitude in the US on a road that will allow it at 80mph just shouldn't be in the equation.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on October 27, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
A group of my rider friends here were discussing factors with any of the new Adventure bike models, and we all agreed, especially out West where one has to occasionally flog it on the "Super Slab"...the bike needs to run at 75-80 mph comfortably, without straining the engine, and for hours. :wink: :smiley: :cool:

My KLX250S would run a true 65 with me and backpack all day long.  I would think the V85 would be loping along at those speeds.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on October 27, 2018, 02:12:10 PM
I may have missed this but...is that gas tank metal?  If plastic I'd be cautious.  After a couple Stelvio tanks, a couple Norge tanks, and a FEW Multistrada tanks I'm over that particular experiment.

Peter Y.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jdgretz on October 28, 2018, 12:14:34 AM
Me too - looking forward to trying one out.

jdg
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on October 28, 2018, 01:11:25 AM

John, hp may go down at altitude, but so does wind resistance. It's not 1:1, but it closes the gap.


I have no doubt about what you guys say regarding the V7 being able to run at highway speeds without a problem, but I think you are underestimating the effect of altitude on HP.  I live in the valleys of the left coast, so not significantly higher than where you guys hang out on the right one.  The difference is that those tall mountains are in my regular riding loops (some closer than others).  You can cruise at 70-80 w/o a problem, but I haven't had the throttle pinned like I do on those roads anywhere else when passing.  You always have to keep that in mind when calculating the distance needed to pass more than one car at a time. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that 80 (or even 50) HP isn't more than enough in all but most ambitious passing maneuvers.  But at high elevations, you can tell there those horses aren't pulling like they used to...   :sad:

Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 28, 2018, 05:37:37 AM
I have no doubt about what you guys say regarding the V7 being able to run at highway speeds without a problem, but I think you are underestimating the effect of altitude on HP.  I live in the valleys of the left coast, so not significantly higher than where you guys hang out on the right one.  The difference is that those tall mountains are in my regular riding loops (some closer than others).  You can cruise at 70-80 w/o a problem, but I haven't had the throttle pinned like I do on those roads anywhere else when passing.  You always have to keep that in mind when calculating the distance needed to pass more than one car at a time. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that 80 (or even 50) HP isn't more than enough in all but most ambitious passing maneuvers.  But at high elevations, you can tell there those horses aren't pulling like they used to...   :sad:

Gustavo
Sure I believe that. But I didn't take passing as part of the conversation. I thought the question was the ability to hold speed on a highway at elevation.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on October 28, 2018, 04:02:02 PM
I may have missed this but...is that gas tank metal?  If plastic I'd be cautious.  After a couple Stelvio tanks, a couple Norge tanks, and a FEW Multistrada tanks I'm over that particular experiment.

Peter Y.
Photos show a small grill/vent on both sides of tank near front leading edge.
Wonder if tank sides are just panels(metal or otherwise) covering fuel cell..
?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on October 28, 2018, 08:29:44 PM
I have no doubt about what you guys say regarding the V7 being able to run at highway speeds without a problem, but I think you are underestimating the effect of altitude on HP.  I live in the valleys of the left coast, so not significantly higher than where you guys hang out on the right one.  The difference is that those tall mountains are in my regular riding loops (some closer than others).  You can cruise at 70-80 w/o a problem, but I haven't had the throttle pinned like I do on those roads anywhere else when passing.  You always have to keep that in mind when calculating the distance needed to pass more than one car at a time. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that 80 (or even 50) HP isn't more than enough in all but most ambitious passing maneuvers.  But at high elevations, you can tell there those horses aren't pulling like they used to...   :sad:

Gustavo

I rode at 7000 - 10000 feet for 3 weeks in September and never an issue with my V7III. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on October 28, 2018, 08:33:30 PM
I spent ten days in Montana in August and did a lot of sight seeing.  The West is.....VAST.  That's the best word I can use to describe it.  It's also really high in altitude.  The average elevation in Montana is 3,400'.  It's 6,800' in Colorado.  There are over 80 paved roads in Colorado that go above 6,000'.  The average elevation above sea level in Florida is 100'.  I really, really like the V7III(especially the blue Special) but I'm not convinced you'd run 85-90mph all day at 5-8,000' elevation.  If you accept the dyno charts on the internet a V7III has 47-48hp at the wheel. That's at sea level.  It would have about 40hp at 5,000' and about 35hp at 8,000.  That's close to what an old Honda CB350 had and neither of the two CB350's I owned would run 85-90 all day.  You need twice that hp to maintain 80mph out there and that's right where the V85TT is going to come in at.   

I think of the V85TT as an Italian, high spec 650 V-Strom.  That's a good thing as the Wee is one of the all time great ADV bikes.   

Tell me what roads at those elevations that you would want to run at 80? When I am at those elevations I am enjoying the ride, not stabbing it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on October 28, 2018, 11:09:08 PM
https://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088

80 nm @ 3400 rpms.

Correct me if I'm wrong but That's 38 BHP at 3400 rpm.   There.  Fixed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on October 28, 2018, 11:41:15 PM
That's right, it should make about 38HP at that RPM.

Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 28, 2018, 11:45:51 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's 38 BHP at 3400 rpm.
Why would that strike you as strange.
Remember a Hyabusa @ 3,000 rpm is roughly doing half the work/ time as it is @ 6,000 rpm.
BHP or kW is the rate at which work is being done. At 6,000 revs if the torque is the same roughly, the power is twice that @ 3,000 revs.
So @ 3,000 revs the rate of doing work is fairly low, hence a less than flattering figure.
Power is not something you "have", it is a mathematical expression of the rate at which you have moved a mass, not how quickly you "CAN" move that mass.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on October 29, 2018, 07:59:08 AM
The more I read... the more I see the Africa Twin being a much more sensible purchase. Same price. Aside from interest in the Guzzi name, I don't see a lot of reason to pick the V85 over the AT.

From a practical standpoint you're probably right, the V85 will basically be all new while Honda has had 3 years ironing out early issues and improving the Africa Twin. Then there's the dealer base or lack thereof.

I have a 2016 AT, purchased barely used on a whim, which I found initially to be a very nice if somewhat underwhelming motorcycle. But the longer I lived with it the more I appreciated what it was and then really started bonding with this motorcycle. The bike I traded in for it (Yamaha FJ-09) was just the opposite being initially quite impressive to ride but not so enjoyable to live with.

The AT is narrow, not too tall, great ergonomics, handles wonderfully on gravel and dirt roads if a bit slow to turn in at speed on paved roads, good windscreen and protection w/o too much, nice, even, power delivery, good range on it's 5 gallon tank, compliant suspension with a much nicer ride on bad surfaces than two other bikes I had, DR650 and R1200GSA, and it has a nice throaty, deep, sound that's not too loud.
More and more when I went to the garage the AT was the bike I found myself wanting to ride so I sold the 2014 GSA. Riding the AT actually reminded a lot me of one of my favorite bikes from the past, an R100GS. Only with more power, better brakes, and reliable.

There are 2-3 things about the AT I don't like though.
1) Tube Type tires.
2) Checking and adjusting valves will be time consuming, I believe a "5 shop hour" procedure.
3) This is really pretty minor but no cruise control.

I'm looking forward to the V85 and hearing initial and then long term impressions of it. I imagine it'll probably run similar to an AT with more of an on-road emphasis.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Diploman on October 29, 2018, 11:44:03 AM
I agree entirely with Chuck Re: Ear protection on a Moto.  Hearing damage may very likely occur over time without ear plugs.

Chain vs. Shaft drive:  I use both routinely:  KTM 390 Duke; Guzzi V50II.  Each drive type has advantages and drawbacks.  Overall, however, I prefer the shaft for low maintenance and cleanliness.  One important aspect where shaft is clearly superior is in rear wheel alignment.  This never varies from perfect with shaft, while getting complete wheel alignment after a chain adjustment is at best an inexact procedure likely to result in imperfect alignment.  It can require 2-3 iterations and then may be only closely approximate.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: travelingbyguzzi on October 29, 2018, 12:06:16 PM
In many places at lower elevation, we may ride 80-90 because we are just keeping up with traffic, or trying to find that empty spot where there are no other vehicles. The thing to remember about losing power at higher elevations is that other vehicles also lose power. I don't know that other Coloradians are typically driving that fast.  Maybe in pockets of I -25 around population centers?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on October 29, 2018, 12:11:40 PM
Power is not something you "have", it is a mathematical expression of the rate at which you have moved a mass, not how quickly you "CAN" move that mass.

Agree with this. That's why someone said something like "you ride torque, not horsepower". A torque curve really tells you more how an engine is going to perform and feel.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 29, 2018, 02:52:15 PM
Agree with this. That's why someone said something like "you ride torque, not horsepower". A torque curve really tells you more how an engine is going to perform and feel.
That's three of us that agree Darren.
You, me and Isaac Newton. The initial torque imparted into the crankshaft is a function of the thrust of the con rod multiplied by the crank throw. No different from pulling on a spanner (wrench).
It's force (Newtons) x distance (metres) = Newton metres (Nm)
Anyway.
All that is transferred to the rear wheel by the mechanism that we are all familiar with.
You "feel" the effects of torque which provides "acceleration" and the acceleration is the increase in the "rate of doing work" which is "power". :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on October 29, 2018, 03:50:07 PM
I'll bet it's nowhere by 80hp like they claim.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 29, 2018, 04:02:06 PM
I'll bet it's nowhere by 80hp like they claim.
Oh sweet baby jezus not this again! [emoji50]
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on October 29, 2018, 06:55:49 PM
In many places at lower elevation, we may ride 80-90 because we are just keeping up with traffic, or trying to find that empty spot where there are no other vehicles. The thing to remember about losing power at higher elevations is that other vehicles also lose power. I don't know that other Coloradians are typically driving that fast.  Maybe in pockets of I -25 around population centers?

Not if they have a turbocharger they don't.  Be careful when picking off a docile-looking Audi for a high altitude, passing manoeuvre.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 30, 2018, 02:39:35 AM
Oh sweet baby jezus not this again! [emoji50]
I think probably so Kev..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 30, 2018, 05:09:33 AM
I know, right?  Like it really matters............ ........
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on October 30, 2018, 07:41:33 AM
This thread got me wondering what hp the ole 06 B11 put out.

From RIDER magazine:
Strapped onto the Borla Performance Dynojet dynamometer, the Breva spun up 71.7 rear-wheel horsepower at 7,400 rpm and 56.3 lb-ft of torque peaked at 5,500 revs.

And you know what?  If what they come out with has similar numbers, I'm happy with that.  I've never had an issue with top end or making a pass on a 2 lane whilst 2up...  Heck, don't even tell me what hp it has.

I'm more interested in seeing if they outfit all the new models (with this engine) with Ohlins suspension.  :drool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 30, 2018, 08:22:40 AM
This thread got me wondering what hp the ole 06 B11 put out.

From RIDER magazine:
Strapped onto the Borla Performance Dynojet dynamometer, the Breva spun up 71.7 rear-wheel horsepower at 7,400 rpm and 56.3 lb-ft of torque peaked at 5,500 revs.

FWIW - FBF got 75 hp / 58 ft. lbs. of torque on mine before the GuzziTech reflash (which did honestly feel like a kick in the pants).

That CARC big-block was a solid feeling motor!

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: dcardo021 on October 30, 2018, 11:58:05 AM
I spent ten days in Montana in August and did a lot of sight seeing.  The West is.....VAST.  That's the best word I can use to describe it.  It's also really high in altitude.  The average elevation in Montana is 3,400'.  It's 6,800' in Colorado.  There are over 80 paved roads in Colorado that go above 6,000'.  The average elevation above sea level in Florida is 100'.  I really, really like the V7III(especially the blue Special) but I'm not convinced you'd run 85-90mph all day at 5-8,000' elevation.  If you accept the dyno charts on the internet a V7III has 47-48hp at the wheel. That's at sea level.  It would have about 40hp at 5,000' and about 35hp at 8,000.  That's close to what an old Honda CB350 had and neither of the two CB350's I owned would run 85-90 all day.  You need twice that hp to maintain 80mph out there and that's right where the V85TT is going to come in at.   

I think of the V85TT as an Italian, high spec 650 V-Strom.  That's a good thing as the Wee is one of the all time great ADV bikes.   
Just spent the summer riding those roads at those speeds with a V7III . No problem keeping up with the Grisso.  Road conditions bigger factor than HP.

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 02, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
Bit more info and hyperbole.

https://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-2019-tutti-dettagli-tecnici-71226#top-carousel
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on November 02, 2018, 05:49:53 PM
Why hyperbole?  Seemed like a good run through the specs to me.  Weighs on the high side of what was expected.  The tires are not tubeless.  The first part isn't a deal breaker.  The second is.    :sad:

Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 02, 2018, 05:52:59 PM
Why hyperbole?  Seemed like a good run through the specs to me.  Weighs on the high side of what was expected.  The tires are not tubeless.  The first part isn't a deal breaker.  The second is.    :sad:

Gustavo

Seat Height: 830mm...Hoping there is a lower seat option or I will be visiting seat maker really soon :P

MPG: looks like ~48 MPG...means ~260miles...not bad not bad...

Weight: seems to align with what they claim...but will need actual testing by the owner as we all know how optimistic factory sometimes are with their numbers...

Tires: the tube tires are a bit disappointment...fo r sure...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on November 02, 2018, 07:34:56 PM
Here is what I have translated so far from the article:

The classic travel enduro of the Aquilla is powered by a 90 degree 853cc twin-cylinder, air-cooled engine capable of delivering 80 bhp at 7,750 rpm and a maximum torque of 80 Nm at 5,000 rpm. The bore and stroke of the twin cylinder are 84 x 77mm with a compression ratio of 10.5: 1. The gearbox is 6-speed. The tank is 21 liters and the declared autonomy is around 400 km. The V85 TT weighs 208 kg dry, rising to 229 kg in running order.

The engine is set in a tubular frame made of high-strength steel. It is matched with a 41 mm diameter upside-down fork, adjustable in preload and extension, and a double arm swingarm with single right side shock absorber, also adjustable in preload and extension.
Both suspensions have a 170 mm excursion. In contact with the ground there are two air-filled tires with dimensions of 19 "and 17". The V85 TT is braked by a Brembo radial attack brake system with a double 320 mm floating disc.

The electronics of the V 85 TT include features ABS, MGCT traction control and ride-by-wire accelerator. It is possible to choose between three mappings:

- ROAD: provides a medium level of calibration MGCT (Moto Guzzi Traction Control), ABS is active on both channels and provides a ready gas response.

RAIN: provides a higher level of traction control calibration, ABS active on both wheels and a gentler response to the throttle control.

- OFF-ROAD: provides the lowest level of traction control intervention, ABS active only on the front wheel with dedicated calibration (and can be deactivated), along with a softer response of the throttle control, coupled by a greater engine brake.

To complete the electronic package of the V 85 TT there is a TFT display that provides all the useful information to the driver, also provides the ability to always be connected to your smartphone.

A very rich catalog of options will allow owners of the new Moto Guzzi to adapt and customize the bike in relation to their tastes. Here's what you can mount on the V85 TT:

COUPLE LATERAL CASES: made in aluminum with a thickness of 1.5mm, they have a capacity of 33 liters (left) and 39 liters (right) and are powder coated. They are secured to the vehicle by a lock with a special security key and can be removed within a few seconds. They are supplied with additional lock blocks so that only one key can be used for the 41 liter trunk. The opening at the top makes it easier to load. They are supplied complete with stainless steel supports. The internal bags and the thermoformed bathtub are available as an accessory.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on November 02, 2018, 08:04:49 PM
Bit more info and hyperbole.

https://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-2019-tutti-dettagli-tecnici-71226#top-carousel
You Aussies are amazing!  When did you learn to read and speak italian?  :smiley:

Bob
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on November 02, 2018, 10:14:31 PM
More translation of the article:

- 41 LITER ALUMINUM BAULE: made of 1.5mm thick aluminum, powder coated. It is secured to the vehicle by a lock with a special security key and can be removed in a few seconds. And complete with stainless steel fixing plate.
- INCREASED WINNESS (windscreen)
- CENTRAL STAND: made of steel.
- BASE EXTENDED STAND: made of anodised aluminum.
OHLINS SHOCK ABSORBERS: adjustable in hydraulics in compression, extension and spring preload.
SCARICO MOTO GUZZI by ARROW: approved in titanium with heat protection cover, support strap and carbon pad. Reduces weight.
- CARDAN PROTECTION: made with thick steel tubes, it offers specific protection to the engine and to the rider's legs.
- TUBULAR PARAMOTER BAR: made of thick steel tubes, it offers specific protection to the engine and to the rider's legs.
- COMFORT SEAT: available in three different heights.
- CLUTCH AND BRAKE LEVER: made from solid, they can be adjusted to four positions.
- LED SUPPLEMENTARY SPOTLIGHTS: aluminum body.
- RIPJECTABLE BRACKETS.(folding mirror brackets)
- PARASPRUZZI.(mud flaps)
- PNEUMATIC SPORT ADVENTURE: Michelin Anakee Adventure, standard on special versions.
- BRIDGE HIGH GRIP PEDAL: laser cut powder coated.
- MOTO GUZZI MIA: allows you to connect your Smartphone to the bike.
- ELECTRONIC ANTIFURTH:(electronic anti-theft)
- FARO PROTECTION: impact-resistant and scratch-resistant polycarbonate sheet.
- THE ATTACHMENT BAG: made of leather, it is fixed to the luggage rack by screws.
- TANK PROTECTION: in 3D adhesive material.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on November 02, 2018, 10:27:59 PM
Sorry for this bit.  It says no good on tubeless.  Weight is not bad and saddle is good.

with inner tube 110 / 80- R19 ".
with inner tube 150 / 70- R17 ".
dry weight = 457 lbs.
Wet weight with 90% fuel = 503 lbs.
Saddle Height = 32.6”
Generator = 430 wts
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bmp72 on November 03, 2018, 04:27:13 AM
What is a PARASPRUZZI ?  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 03, 2018, 04:31:08 AM
Buggered if I know but I love 'Antifurto'. Obviously Anti Theft but it just sounds so much better!  :grin:

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on November 03, 2018, 05:48:47 AM
What is a PARASPRUZZI ?  :grin:


 Splash Guard of coarse :)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on November 03, 2018, 07:20:23 AM
 Well it weighs about what my Buell weighs, so much for a lighter bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on November 03, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
Well it weighs about what my Buell weighs, so much for a lighter bike.

Uhg and at 32 5/8 seat height that’ll make things a bit difficult for us  short Leggers
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on November 03, 2018, 01:19:27 PM
I think I read that there are 3 different seat heights and a lighter Arrow exhaust that can be purchased.  I know it all adds $$ but I'm waiting to read some real reviews and getting my hands on one before I pass judgement.  I understand wanting lighter and a bit shorter.  I'd been hoping for about 820 mm and around 470 wet.  *shrug* We'll see what we see.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 03, 2018, 03:37:20 PM
You Aussies are amazing!
As usual mate, you're completely correct.. :bow: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on November 03, 2018, 06:15:13 PM
I added in the unknown words to my earlier post (courtesy of my son).  But I think they were more fun they way they were.  I would opt for the increased winness though.   :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on November 03, 2018, 08:20:42 PM
https://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v85-segreti-motore-intervista-cappellini-70088

80 nm @ 3400 rpms.
Here is what I have translated so far from the article:

The classic travel enduro of the Aquilla is powered by a 90 degree 853cc twin-cylinder, air-cooled engine capable of delivering 80 bhp at 7,750 rpm and a maximum torque of 80 Nm at 5,000 rpm.

Surprised no one saw that, new torque figure same but 1600 rpm higher
Peak power same but rpm lower
The spread is shrinking, get a pre production one for all the mumbo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 04, 2018, 08:13:04 AM
Kev.. I'm tellin ya.. you are going to be sorry down the road. Ask Wayne..
Wear hearing protection, dammit..

yep
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 04, 2018, 08:21:48 AM
Yes you loose passing power in Co. but it will run 80-90 all day long on any road there. Yess I've done it! and at 65-70 MPG because of the altitude.

actually I can't feel much loss of power riding my motorcycles in Colorado elevation.   That's on the EV, Sport and 1200 Bandit. 

Now my cars are a different story.  My Accord seems a little wimpy.  The most noticeable loss of power is driving my 2008 430HP Corvette.  It seems like it's always in a higher gear.  It's still faster than most cars but doesn't have the snap.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on November 05, 2018, 10:57:14 AM
Should we be expecting any new Guzzi models to be displayed at the EICMA?  Only a couple days away!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on November 05, 2018, 11:30:36 AM
I read somewhere they may show off a variant on the new V85.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 05, 2018, 06:46:57 PM
For those who are too lazy to use Google Translate

https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2019-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-officially-official.html?fbclid=IwAR3-igSLBGU7ORNqDV9GTsJ2apTpN5Tg4ceA_myjfveb-geOaAk6-kDIK84

Haven't finished the article but at least the spec lines up (or rather copy and paste?)

Either way, still looking forward this guy show up in the show next year (possibly???)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jdgretz on November 06, 2018, 02:34:55 AM
It's looking better and better.

jdg
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 06, 2018, 05:21:14 AM
There's your 80 Hp..
It'll apparently spin to 8,000 rpm so it's a simple torque x Rpm = power
With 90% of the max torque @ 3,750 or so, why would you spin it to 8,000 ?
Still can't wait though...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on November 06, 2018, 06:36:45 AM
It all sounds very good. If the machine lives up to the specifications, it will be a leap forward for Guzzi.  I just hope the quality control is good and required sorting-out by the owner is minimized.

One phrase that caught my eye in the lengthy (obviously translated) description is "aluminum roller cams." I wonder what exactly this means and I have concerns about it.

Time will tell. 

The new Guzzi, perhaps for a handful of people, may be compared to the new 850 BMW twin with its 90 degree staggered crank.  A few claimed specs-

Power
Guzzi 80 HP @ 7750 RPM
BMW  95 HP @ 8250 RPM

Torque
Guzzi  59 pound feet @ 5000 RPM
BMW   68 pound feet @ 6250 RPM

Weight
Guzzi 505 pounds
BMW  504 pounds

Suspension travel
Guzzi   front 6.7 in,  rear 6.7 in
BMW -  front 8 in,  rear 8.6 in

Price -  TBD

.


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on November 06, 2018, 07:16:05 AM
Please let Guzzi or aprilia show me something promising.   :popcorn:



If not, there's a local 1200S Multistrada calling my name(more like whispering seductively). 
We've never been on a Ducati, but I've heard good things.   :cheesy:


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 06, 2018, 07:34:39 AM
Quote
"aluminum roller cams."

I would imagine it means aluminum roller rockers..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on November 06, 2018, 07:46:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uda9zQwvqkA

It seems that the V85TT is the only new bike at the Guzzi booth.
Sad ... really sad.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on November 06, 2018, 09:25:37 AM
I would imagine it means aluminum roller rockers..
Lets hope for that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on November 06, 2018, 09:27:15 AM
Please let Guzzi or aprilia show me something promising.   :popcorn:



If not, there's a local 1200S Multistrada calling my name(more like whispering seductively). 
We've never been on a Ducati, but I've heard good things.   :cheesy:

Check out the service requirements/cost on that Multistrada before biting on the hook.

.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on November 06, 2018, 11:30:22 AM
Luckily, I know an ex-Ducati race team mechanic that charges reasonable amounts for services.  He's about 20 minutes away.  If he can get it down near to what the aprilia dealer charges for a valve service on the Capo...  I think it was getting near $500 at the ape dealer that's 2.5 hours away.

I'm hoping that Piaggio throws me a bone within the next couple days.   I'm in no hurry actually.  We only have 35,000 miles on the Capo and just turned over 11 thou on the Breva.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 06, 2018, 11:42:28 AM
It all sounds very good. If the machine lives up to the specifications, it will be a leap forward for Guzzi.  I just hope the quality control is good and required sorting-out by the owner is minimized.

One phrase that caught my eye in the lengthy (obviously translated) description is "aluminum roller cams." I wonder what exactly this means and I have concerns about it.

Time will tell. 

The new Guzzi, perhaps for a handful of people, may be compared to the new 850 BMW twin with its 90 degree staggered crank.  A few claimed specs-

Power
Guzzi 80 HP @ 7750 RPM
BMW  95 HP @ 8250 RPM

Torque
Guzzi  59 pound feet @ 5000 RPM
BMW   68 pound feet @ 6250 RPM

Weight
Guzzi 505 pounds
BMW  504 pounds

Suspension travel
Guzzi   front 6.7 in,  rear 6.7 in
BMW -  front 8 in,  rear 8.6 in

Price -  TBD

.

Good comparison...

That HP @ 7750RPM...it is like Guzzi is telling us rider to twist and MO POWA!  :evil:

as for suspension travel...well, it is ALMOST direct difference of seat height as well...

V85TT    -     840mm <-this I can sort of handle
F800GS  -    880mm <-this....good luck...

which is ~1.5" of difference, 1.5748" if you want to be picky...

Well, NOW I could only hope the tube comment is a typo :P
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on November 06, 2018, 12:09:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uda9zQwvqkA

It seems that the V85TT is the only new bike at the Guzzi booth.
Sad ... really sad.

A company that makes six or eight thousand bikes a year, betting big on a new model could kill it.  There will be more bikes with the new engine and electronics next year.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 06, 2018, 12:11:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uda9zQwvqkA

It seems that the V85TT is the only new bike at the Guzzi booth.
Sad ... really sad.

well, they are still riding on the success of V7 with its all different iteration AKA paint jobs, so makes little sense for the bean-counter to bring out anything too exotic...

Even V85TT is a big jump...

well, I did hope to see a new Griso too tbh...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 06, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
@Huzo!

Look! a Red one! (grabbed off some guy at the show right now)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/fiZULA/image.png) (https://ibb.co/fiZULA)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 06, 2018, 12:30:55 PM
I would imagine it means aluminum roller rockers..

I'll be really surprised if it has roller rockers. God knows that the gibberish means.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on November 06, 2018, 12:46:19 PM
Nice in red,but needs some accent strips/panel.I was hoping for a V85 street version concept .Not seeing anything so far.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 06, 2018, 12:56:27 PM
@Huzo!

Look! a Red one! (grabbed off some guy at the show right now)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/fiZULA/image.png) (https://ibb.co/fiZULA)

Photo shop ?
Wheels need to be polished or brushed silver.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 06, 2018, 01:11:03 PM
Photo shop ?
Wheels need to be polished or brushed silver.

I can neither confirm or denied...

This is off some bloke on facebook who is currently at the show...unless that person is really bored, I don't see the point of Photoshop it...

HOWEVER, this is the only photo I could find with red... :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 06, 2018, 01:21:51 PM
Here is a downloadable brochure link from EICMA

http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/en_EN/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-V85TT/

and if you scroll thru the bottom, there is a red option for regular and premium with red/white


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cw31iV/image.png) (https://ibb.co/cw31iV)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 06, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
Here is a downloadable brochure link from EICMA

http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/en_EN/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-V85TT/

and if you scroll thru the bottom, there is a red option for regular and premium with red/white


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cw31iV/image.png) (https://ibb.co/cw31iV)

Darn thing wouldn't load Timmy.
Keen to see the red/white one..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jdgretz on November 06, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
Please let Guzzi or aprilia show me something promising.   :popcorn:



If not, there's a local 1200S Multistrada calling my name(more like whispering seductively). 
We've never been on a Ducati, but I've heard good things.   :cheesy:

I did a test ride on a 1200S Multi.  Man, nice bike.  I know why the folks who own them love them.  Good riding position, comfortable seat, all the ergos were nice.  Loved the ride modes, but didn't try out the ABS in a leaned over position - that just seems too scary for this old guy.

At the turn around point in the ride, I waited for traffic to clear, made the left out of the lot and brought the revs up to something in the 7K area, shifted into second and grabbed a handful of throttle like I was riding the Norge.  Holy s&*(*$ - front end in the air! Got it back under control and immediately changed the ride mode back to touring rather than sport.

Gleaned out my arteries for a while on that one.

jdg
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 06, 2018, 02:37:54 PM
Here is a downloadable brochure link from EICMA

http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/en_EN/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-V85TT/

and if you scroll thru the bottom, there is a red option for regular and premium with red/white


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cw31iV/image.png) (https://ibb.co/cw31iV)


I'm really glad to see the V85 TT.  It's sure to be a good 'un.

What sucks is it appears they're letting the California range languish.  Couldn't even be bothered with a new paint color, or two...

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 06, 2018, 03:21:25 PM
I wonder how can I link a PDF to here...

or is it not allowed?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on November 06, 2018, 03:28:09 PM
I can click on your picture with all the colour ranges for the various bikes; pretty decent image.  Does the PDF have more pictures?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 06, 2018, 03:31:48 PM
I can click on your picture with all the colour ranges for the various bikes; pretty decent image.  Does the PDF have more pictures?

Ya, PDF also contains lots of Moto Guzzi sales stuff as well as specs for each models...not that we don't know already...

But ya, only one page of color and picture of the bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 06, 2018, 08:36:11 PM
Here is a downloadable brochure link from EICMA

http://eicma.piaggiogroup.com/en_EN/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-V85TT/

and if you scroll thru the bottom, there is a red option for regular and premium with red/white

Also available in solid red and grey...

(https://thumb.ibb.co/hid77q/v85-colors.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hid77q)

delete livejournal account (https://deleteacc.com/l)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 06, 2018, 08:37:46 PM
Also available in solid red and grey...

(https://thumb.ibb.co/hid77q/v85-colors.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hid77q)

delete livejournal account (https://deleteacc.com/l)


I am actually looking forward to the red/white...

Just need to know how much it would cost 🤣
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 07, 2018, 10:05:30 AM
Look at that!


(https://thumb.ibb.co/dfCuNq/image.png) (https://ibb.co/dfCuNq)


The red one has a center stand in it!!!

Also a Youtube introducing it

https://youtu.be/i3ibNyHX6F0

Okay...now all I need to know can the rim be converted to tubeless, how much and when!!!

ahhh!!!man, Guzzi sure loves fishing...this is one hella long line they are dragging.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 07, 2018, 08:48:20 PM
Look at that!

The red one has a center stand in it!!!

Okay...now all I need to know can the rim be converted to tubeless, how much and when!!!

ahhh!!!man, Guzzi sure loves fishing...this is one hella long line they are dragging.

The tube tires inspired me to finally replace my crappy tire spoons. If I get a V85 I'll need to re-learn the fine art of avoiding pinched tubes during tire repair/changes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on November 07, 2018, 09:12:55 PM
It's a shame MG still puts tube type wheels on many of their bikes, especially an all new 2019 motorcycle! They should at least offer a tubeless cast wheel option.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 08, 2018, 02:31:40 AM
It's a shame MG still puts tube type wheels on many of their bikes, especially an all new 2019 motorcycle! They should at least offer a tubeless cast wheel option.
WELL WHY NOT JUST RUN THEM TUBELESS...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on November 08, 2018, 08:09:32 AM
Because they leak?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 08, 2018, 09:52:52 AM
Because they leak?
I'll make sure they don't...(again).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kristian on November 08, 2018, 10:23:06 AM
It's a shame MG still puts tube type wheels on many of their bikes, especially an all new 2019 motorcycle! They should at least offer a tubeless cast wheel option.

I think the hipsters and other folk stuck in the past insist on it; light alloys hopefully will be an option. Spokes should have gone the way of the cassette tape.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kirby1923 on November 08, 2018, 10:59:54 AM
Your old enough to remember cassette tapes? WOW!

Cast wheels are fragile in the ruff stuff. Steel and spokes much better.

Not much dirt time?

:-)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on November 08, 2018, 11:08:23 AM
I remember 8 track tapes!    KABOOM when they changed the track....usually when I was just about to fall asleep.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on November 08, 2018, 01:40:09 PM
I would like the option and considering how much engineering went into the rest of the bike, how hard would it be to have 2 flavors of wheels?

I'll be honest:  if I buy one it'll primarily be for touring across North America with the occasional forest/farming road thrown in.  Thus horribly underutilizing some very fine features. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on November 08, 2018, 04:03:50 PM
I visited today...hopefully these will upload!

(https://thumb.ibb.co/jsJsCq/v85c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jsJsCq)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on November 08, 2018, 04:05:18 PM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/mqH2Cq/v85ttb.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mqH2Cq)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on November 08, 2018, 04:07:09 PM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/iPgCCq/v85ttd.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iPgCCq)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on November 08, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
oil sight glass..imagine that
(https://thumb.ibb.co/eegCCq/v85tte.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eegCCq)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on November 08, 2018, 04:15:21 PM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/j1h2Cq/v85ttf.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j1h2Cq)

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 08, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
oil sight glass..imagine that
(https://thumb.ibb.co/eegCCq/v85tte.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eegCCq)


This is hot!!!!! I like this look a lot!

I wonder how tight I can turn on that oil fill plug before my fingers get sore...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 08, 2018, 04:43:53 PM
Were you able to sit on the bike on it's wheels ?
How well were you able to reach the ground?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on November 08, 2018, 04:50:33 PM
From Milan...and in Italian!! :thumb: :cool: :wink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRWs5ITiStE
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on November 08, 2018, 04:56:13 PM
Were you able to sit on the bike on it's wheels ?
How well were you able to reach the ground?
They had them fixed in place, but rear wheel close to ground.  No problem for balls of my feet on the ground, and I'm only 5'-8".  Unlike a Stelvio, i'd have no issue managing this.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 08, 2018, 05:07:00 PM
They had them fixed in place, but rear wheel close to ground.  No problem for balls of my feet on the ground, and I'm only 5'-8".  Unlike a Stelvio, i'd have no issue managing this.

What is your inseam at?

There is not right way asking that question... :tongue:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on November 08, 2018, 05:42:33 PM
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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 08, 2018, 07:06:24 PM
They had them fixed in place, but rear wheel close to ground.  No problem for balls of my feet on the ground, and I'm only 5'-8".  Unlike a Stelvio, i'd have no issue managing this.
Grouse...!
I'm a bit short in the arse too.. :thumb:
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 08, 2018, 07:08:02 PM
What is your inseam at?

There is not right way asking that question... :tongue:
In Oz we would have been more diplomatic and discreet TTH..
As in..
"What are you packing downstairs..?"
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TobyJug on November 08, 2018, 07:24:36 PM
International Motorsports in Vancouver are advertising V85s already.  They also have some good deals on 2107 models.

https://www.internationalmotorsports.com/

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on November 08, 2018, 07:33:39 PM
The seat height for the V85TT is reportedly 32.7 inches....I have also seen 31.5 inches published...so around that!  :wink: :cool: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 08, 2018, 07:35:42 PM
International Motorsports in Vancouver are advertising V85s already.  They also have some good deals on 2107 models.

https://www.internationalmotorsports.com/

Ya I am waiting for them to call me with info's

Ahhhh the wait!!!!

How's about MotoVida? Any news from them??
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 08, 2018, 08:03:34 PM
International Motorsports in Vancouver are advertising V85s already.  They also have some good deals on 2107 models.

https://www.internationalmotorsports.com/

Wow, they have the V7 III Racer priced at $6,999!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 08, 2018, 11:20:41 PM
Wow, they have the V7 III Racer priced at $6,999!

And that is in Canadian Moola!...

Tax might get you as everything else here in BC...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on November 09, 2018, 07:59:44 AM
Is it just me or is this “promo” video a real yawner?  :shocked:

https://www.facebook.com/263491420843903/videos/2272404599672541/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 09, 2018, 08:24:33 AM
Is it just me or is this “promo” video a real yawner?  :shocked:

https://www.facebook.com/263491420843903/videos/2272404599672541/

Video of motorcycle doing what it's intended to do.

I thought the video was fine.

Did you want booming techno music and strobe lights?

Or, perhaps more cowbell ??
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on November 09, 2018, 08:32:30 AM
No, but slow mo and no wheelies!!!  :drool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 09, 2018, 10:35:31 AM
Is it just me or is this “promo” video a real yawner?  :shocked:

https://www.facebook.com/263491420843903/videos/2272404599672541/

Here's the youtube link, for those who don't do FB:

https://youtu.be/rj2TRkCqp_E
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on November 09, 2018, 12:02:19 PM
Thanks rocker59
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on November 09, 2018, 04:57:13 PM
No, but slow mo and no wheelies!!!  :drool:
Well then looked to Yamaha with the T7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41PdphNPeI&fbclid=IwAR1Q7fPL14_PsLvJnESh8RMC2Ymwq-bkExyNzRTnIFU4uDmYkQ2C9v74KGc
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 09, 2018, 05:44:21 PM
Well then looked to Yamaha with the T7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41PdphNPeI&fbclid=IwAR1Q7fPL14_PsLvJnESh8RMC2Ymwq-bkExyNzRTnIFU4uDmYkQ2C9v74KGc

I will admit it...Guzzi's promo video is somewhat meh even tho the bike looks GORGEOUS!...

and Yamaha's video got my fired up even tho it will NOT come to the States for now...probably Canada as well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on November 10, 2018, 03:38:10 PM
Well then looked to Yamaha with the T7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41PdphNPeI&fbclid=IwAR1Q7fPL14_PsLvJnESh8RMC2Ymwq-bkExyNzRTnIFU4uDmYkQ2C9v74KGc

That’s what I’m talkin bout!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rschrum on November 10, 2018, 10:16:25 PM
13,700 is what I just heard. Can get a brand new Stelvio for much less.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: stubbie on November 10, 2018, 11:36:06 PM
"Is it just me or is this “promo” video a real yawner?"

What was that holiday destination again? Not much adventuring going on there. Look to KTM for adventure bike. 799cc, 180kg, 95HP, 33" seat height. I luv Moto Guzzi, I have 3, but sh-t.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on November 11, 2018, 08:42:50 AM
Looks like the TT video is more representative of how the bike will be used.  Still probably more off road in the video than in real life.


**OK NEXT!!!

The TT's been outed and theoretical orders have been made.  Please leak out the next model using the new lump.  The weather is turning to crap...and I'll be "surfing" bike info a bit more now.  So go ahead and show the prototyped blacked out bike and rider tooling around Lake Cumo teasing the spy photogs.  If they have the TT finished enough to be showing and making promotional video, then they have a cobbled up touring(I hope) model in testing mode.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on November 11, 2018, 09:40:47 AM
Rocker, Thanks for posting. First time we've had a chance to see it moving. Seems to handle well...maybe a bit squirrely on the gravel road... the rider is up on the pegs.
Not a yawn at all for me...send more please :)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DC950 on November 11, 2018, 06:42:03 PM
Video of motorcycle doing what it's intended to do.

I thought the video was fine....

yep, it's nice.  But I have to say the guy riding the bike really didn't look like he was having much fun.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on November 11, 2018, 07:36:53 PM
Excellent video...with some decent 60/40 or 70/30 tires that is going to be an excellent all around bike.

I hope Guzzi hits it out of the park with this model and wins Bike of the Year with the ADV community, bike looks great on road and off road...

Hopefully more videos offroad coming soon!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: stubbie on November 11, 2018, 07:37:44 PM
The bike is advertised as “tutto terreno” (All Terrain).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2018, 08:36:15 PM
13,700 is what I just heard. Can get a brand new Stelvio for much less.
But you would first have to WANT one..!
If it's tonnage for dollar though, you'd come out ahead with the Stelvio.
No bloody wonder Guzzi can't sell bikes in numbers, every bastard tries to talk every other bastard out of buying a new one. But keep buying big block Guzzies, and when in one year, they've sold 19 units of the V 85 and the whole she bang goes arse up, we can console ourselves by recycling redundant machines that return no money back to the manufacturer.
Now THERE'S a solid business model if ever there was..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2018, 08:37:50 PM
yep, it's nice.  But I have to say the guy riding the bike really didn't look like he was having much fun.
How could you tell ?
In those loose enduro style pants, it was difficult to ascertain.. :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on November 11, 2018, 09:17:47 PM
But you would first have to WANT one..!
If it's tonnage for dollar though, you'd come out ahead with the Stelvio.
No bloody wonder Guzzi can't sell bikes in numbers, every bastard tries to talk every other bastard out of buying a new one. But keep buying big block Guzzies, and when in one year, they've sold 19 units of the V 85 and the whole she bang goes arse up, we can console ourselves by recycling redundant machines that return no money back to the manufacturer.
Now THERE'S a solid business model if ever there was..!


 :thumb:

like  some others I would like to see more big blocks but ...This V85 may be the ticket  ...The Stelvio is a great bike but , id love to see a comparison  power to weight etc , overall.
I would bet  the v85 would surprise  eh .. :boxing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on November 12, 2018, 02:49:21 AM
Less all terrain and more all roads, and all the better for it. Just a guess, but I reckon less than 10% of the adventure bikes sold get used on the dirt a great deal, and probably 1% used on the hard core stuff.

If I fitted on it, (I'm 5 foot 2 so thats debatable), and being a 1 bike only guy, it would be a perfect bike for me. If I had the money...which I dont. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on November 12, 2018, 06:22:55 AM
It's probably somewhere here in the endless data of this thread but has anyone seen the electrical output on the bike?  I ride all winter and even though I replaced headlight with led on all 3 of my previous small blocks, I still found the output level to be barely enough to run heated liner and gloves on full blast.  In fact, if I recall correctly it actually wasn't enough to keep up with gloves, liner, and GPS.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on November 12, 2018, 07:37:49 AM
430 Watts is what I saw.  http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-specs/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 12, 2018, 07:38:35 AM
It's probably somewhere here in the endless data of this thread but has anyone seen the electrical output on the bike?  I ride all winter and even though I replaced headlight with led on all 3 of my previous small blocks, I still found the output level to be barely enough to run heated liner and gloves on full blast.  In fact, if I recall correctly it actually wasn't enough to keep up with gloves, liner, and GPS.

430W is what they say

Just for comparison from the manuals:

Stelvio is 550W
Norge is 540W
V9 is 270W
V7iii is 268W
V7ii is 270W
V7 Classic is 350W<---????
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 12, 2018, 08:09:39 AM

V7 Classic is 350W<---????

Yes.  The dry alternator of the 2009-2014 V7 Classic/Stone/Special put out more power than the wet alternator of the 2015-up V7 line.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 12, 2018, 11:14:09 AM
Yes.  The dry alternator of the 2009-2014 V7 Classic/Stone/Special put out more power than the wet alternator of the 2015-up V7 line.

Ah that might explain the possibility why the classic could use multiple heated gears and not drain the battery.

My 15 stone wet alternator version is either gloves or vest
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on November 12, 2018, 11:57:29 AM
Ah that might explain the possibility why the classic could use multiple heated gears and not drain the battery.

My 15 stone wet alternator version is either gloves or vest

Yup.

430W is what they say

Just for comparison from the manuals:

Stelvio is 550W
Norge is 540W
V9 is 270W
V7iii is 268W
V7ii is 270W
V7 Classic is 350W<---????

Thanks for posting this.  If I recall correctly, my previous 1100 Calis were pretty limited as well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 17, 2018, 03:09:32 PM
They finally announced pricing.  $12,999 with side cases and top box. That’s $2-3,000 less than I thought it would be.  That’s very competitive.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: dxhall on November 17, 2018, 03:13:13 PM
Are any US dealers taking deposits? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 17, 2018, 04:18:03 PM
Hopefully in 2 years when Guzzi releases the new updated V85TT-I (you know with bold new retro colors) they won't slash the retail price $3,000 to $4,000 to try to move NOS like they do with most other models.



Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on November 17, 2018, 04:54:42 PM
Try Hamlin Cycles, in Bethel, Connecticut. Sells Moto Guzzi and Aprilia, only...

SR
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sykestone8886 on November 17, 2018, 05:00:13 PM
Or try cadre cycle Cincinnati Oh. Exclusive guzzi dealer, and great crew to work with.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 17, 2018, 05:14:38 PM
I'll Call Seacoast first thing Tuesday and get the low down.  Very interested in a test ride on this thing.
 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: BlueGoose on November 17, 2018, 07:05:36 PM
https://www.af1racingaustin.com/2018-v85/

"Taking deposits now"
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on November 17, 2018, 08:56:48 PM
This motorcycle looks really good, and I think it’s going to be a big success for MG. The reported pricing is competitive, and while they’re late to the middleweight ADV party, I believe they’re the only shaft drive model in the segment. I hope to see it at the NYC Moto show in two weeks, but am not counting on it. 

That said, there are a few flys in the ointment. First, weight. At a little over 500 lbs fueled, it’s almost 50 lbs Heavier than my GS, about the same as my open class R1150R. For a middleweight, that’s a little porky. Second, tube tires. Of course, I get why they’re using them because it’s marketed as as a dual sport. Speaking strictly for myself, though, I’m only interested in street riding, so would much prefer a tubeless option. Third, it doesn’t appear to have a stainless steel exhaust system. Covers over plain steel may cut it for cruisers, but anything else should have stainless. Those plain steel pipes are the first thing to rust, and when they do, they eventually deteriorate to the point where it’s almost impossible to remove them.

All in all, though, this looks like a much needed winner for Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on November 17, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
... a few flys in the ointment. First, weight. At a little over 500 lbs fueled, it’s almost 50 lbs Heavier than my GS,

Well, let's see.  The F800GS has an advertised wet weight (curb) of 512 pounds and that's stripped of any bars, bags or aux lighting.

The R1200GS has an advertised weight of 525 pounds, again, stripped.

The 800GS and the 1200GS have now been replaced by the 850 and 1250 new models with similar weights. 

I wonder if the Guzzi 850 weight includes the bags etc as did the specs given for the Stelvio NTX.  This was a source of great misinformation for comparison of the GS and the Stelvio NTX.  People thought the GS was so much lighter than the Stelvio NTX but the BMW spec didn't include all the weight of the standard equipment that came stock with the Stelvio.

Sounds like the worst case is one where the new 850TT is about the same weight as the current BMW 800 series.  If the Guzzi weight includes bags etc, then the bike itself is actually lighter than an 800 GS.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on November 17, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
$12,999 sounds cheap.  I hope it's not a case of getting what you paid for. 

I sincerely hope quality control, connectors, wiring and other foibles are minimized on this Guzzi and typical "sorting out" is not required.

.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on November 17, 2018, 09:32:38 PM
Well, let's see.  The F800GS has an advertised wet weight (curb) of 512 pounds and that's stripped of any bars, bags or aux lighting.

The R1200GS has an advertised weight of 525 pounds, again, stripped.

The 800GS and the 1200GS have now been replaced by the 850 and 1250 new models with similar weights. 

I wonder if the Guzzi 850 weight includes the bags etc as did the specs given for the Stelvio NTX.  This was a source of great misinformation for comparison of the GS and the Stelvio NTX.  People thought the GS was so much lighter than the Stelvio NTX but the BMW spec didn't include all the weight of the standard equipment that came stock with the Stelvio.

Sounds like the worst case is one where the new 850TT is about the same weight as the current BMW 800 series.  If the Guzzi weight includes bags etc, then i
s actually lighter than a 800 GS.

Good points. My GS is the F700GS, 410 lbs dry, 461 lbs fully fueled, no bags. It’s also true that the new BMW F series bikes are substantially heavier than mine, so the Guzzi won’t be at a significant weight disadvantage. In a middleweight, though, light is good. I’m sorry to see these bikes getting heavier.


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 18, 2018, 12:13:27 AM

I'm bummed about the tube-type wheels.  I ride mostly pavement, and some gravel roads.  I'd much prefer tubeless for plug-and-go convenience when I pick up a nail...

Some of the test mules had Alpina tubeless spokes.  I guess they didn't make production due to cost considerations.

They've really dropped the ball if they don't come up with a tubeless wheel option.  Even if it's a cast wheel...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 18, 2018, 05:40:15 AM
I'm bummed about the tube-type wheels.  I ride mostly pavement, and some gravel roads.  I'd much prefer tubeless for plug-and-go convenience when I pick up a nail...

Some of the test mules had Alpina tubeless spokes.  I guess they didn't make production due to cost considerations.

They've really dropped the ball if they don't come up with a tubeless wheel option.  Even if it's a cast wheel...

Ditto. To me, putting tubed wheels on any motorcycle is like putting racing slicks on a mudding truck. It makes no sense.  It can't cost that much to seal the nipples for Pete's sake. But, when I get one of these, I'll seal them off myself.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 18, 2018, 05:49:56 AM
'Moto Guzzi. Spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar since, well, a long time now'!

Piaggio claim to want to build something spectacular. Then they deliver a 2 valve 'Turd in a Tu-Tu', lie about its performance, stick it in a chassis with cheap, bargain basement, suspension design, fling on a set of the cheapest wheels imaginable and then pray it will appeal to some huge, untapped, market of non motorbike riders who will then rush out and buy it!

Good grief!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 18, 2018, 06:16:34 AM
'Moto Guzzi. Spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar since, well, a long time now'!

Piaggio claim to want to build something spectacular. Then they deliver a 2 valve 'Turd in a Tu-Tu', lie about its performance, stick it in a chassis with cheap, bargain basement, suspension design, fling on a set of the cheapest wheels imaginable and then pray it will appeal to some huge, untapped, market of non motorbike riders who will then rush out and buy it!

Good grief!

The 2 valve doesn't disappoint me as much as the other stuff you mention. In short order folks like Todd at Guzzi Tech will offer exhausts, suspension and tubeless wheels to help combat the ill from the factory. So it'll only take another $10,000 to get the exhaust, wheels and suspension sorted. But since the bike is priced so reasonably at $12,999 what's another $10,000 :embarrassed:

And that gawd awful yellow and red color combination look like offering from the McDonalds value menu!

(https://thumb.ibb.co/g87DPf/Ronald.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g87DPf)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/hL3yqL/V85.png) (https://ibb.co/hL3yqL)

Da, da, da, dat,....da...…..I'm not loving it!

 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on November 18, 2018, 06:38:48 AM
You think we have any "nattering nabobs of negativism" here?  lol

IMHO Guzzi has made a noble effort with the V85TT.  I think this is the then-upcoming bike that the factory manager talked about to me some 4 years ago.

If they get the "little stuff" right with it, make it dependable and not needing sorting out-of-the-box then they will have a winner in my eyes. I even kinda like the yellow/white color scheme.

The tube-type tires are not an issue for me.  I've had/have several such modern bikes and it's been a non-issue.  I simply run a tire sealer (Slime etc) inside the tubes.  I have never experienced a flat doing that.

My little BMW G650XCo had tube type tires and I never regretted them.

.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 18, 2018, 06:58:48 AM
Nothing about Guzzi is cutting edge.  If you want to bitch and moan about traditional or conservative design from Guzzi then you own the wrong motorcycle.  Buy an Aprilia or KTM. 

The bike is obviously benchmarked against the Tiger and GS800.  The suspension, brakes and other components are comparable.  Pricing is comparable.  Weight and power is comparable though the Tiger obviously has 10-15 hp more. 

You can seal the wheels for $10 with 3M tape.  I’d be surprised if they don’t copy Triumph by having a cast wheel option for 500-1,000 less. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 18, 2018, 07:12:52 AM
Couldn't care less about the tube rims.
I'll get two polished Behr rims (again), bore them and use sealed nipples and we're away..
Simples..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 18, 2018, 07:34:06 AM
I will likely take a test ride if available.  I am thinking right now though that the gap in my stable could be filled by a Versys 300X, but I may wait for a Versys 400X since they now have the Ninja 400 and Z400 bikes available in the states. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Buddy Shagmore on November 18, 2018, 07:43:43 AM
They had one at the Long Beach Motoshow. It looks good in person.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on November 18, 2018, 08:30:11 AM
I've been really interested all along...have my name on pre order lists...but will not plunk down the cash until I ride one...It'll be interesting to see how long it takes to get out through the dealerships and hopefully those will represent the manufacturer well by having demo opportunities.

Really not sure why anyone would buy a bike like this if they didn't plan to take it off pavement. To a Michigan rider it opens up over 43,000  miles of riding opportunity. As mentioned in other thread there will certainly be road/touring versions to follow. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on November 18, 2018, 08:37:36 AM
They had one at the Long Beach Motoshow. It looks good in person.

Umm, care to expand on that Shaggy?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 18, 2018, 08:40:54 AM
The 2 valve doesn't disappoint me as much as the other stuff you mention. In short order folks like Todd at Guzzi Tech will offer exhausts, suspension and tubeless wheels to help combat the ill from the factory. So it'll only take another $10,000 to get the exhaust, wheels and suspension sorted. But since the bike is priced so reasonably at $12,999 what's another $10,000 :embarrassed:

And that gawd awful yellow and red color combination look like offering from the McDonalds value menu!

(https://thumb.ibb.co/g87DPf/Ronald.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g87DPf)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/hL3yqL/V85.png) (https://ibb.co/hL3yqL)

Agreed.  But, how many bikes are there there DON'T need a lot of this stuff in this price range?  Maybe KTM, but that's not in my personal wheelhouse.

Da, da, da, dat,....da...…..I'm not loving it!

 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Idontwantapickle on November 18, 2018, 10:11:42 AM
So it's 12,999 and people moan about the tubes and other details. If it had all that stuff you'd just complain that it cost too much.
Guzzi has built a middle weight ADV. Be happy that Piaggio puts in the effort. Left to Aprillia Guzzi might well be gone by now!
Hunter
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Denis on November 18, 2018, 10:23:27 AM
I like the red/white/yellow paint job.
Regarding the other stuff, I've logged tens of thousands of miles on my bikes with tube tires and have never had problem.
Other bikes may have more horsepower but big deal. The Guzzi will have a torque advantage, which has always been a benefit they've had.
I think at the projected $12,999 it looks like a great deal.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 18, 2018, 10:27:22 AM
So it's 12,999 and people moan about the tubes and other details. If it had all that stuff you'd just complain that it cost too much.
Guzzi has built a middle weight ADV. Be happy that Piaggio puts in the effort. Left to Aprillia Guzzi might well be gone by now!
Hunter

Exactly.  Additionally, it would cost at least $1,500 to install the bags, top case and mounts that come standard.  13k for the bike with the current spec. and features is extremely good for a handmade, eye-talian motor sickle. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on November 18, 2018, 11:57:12 AM
Jim Hamlin (Hamlin Cycles) just confirmed.

$12,990 with bags
$11,990 without

Guzzi recently sent him the pricing info.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 18, 2018, 12:03:03 PM
I think the price may be about $1K high to be competitive but a lot hinges on how well the bike works.  With no reactive linkage on the rear suspension and small block power, it could be a dog.  Or if those issues have been carefully massaged it could be a great bike that fills in the market gap created by ever increasing complexity and size of road going competitors. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DaSwami on November 18, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Not my cup of tea but good for Guzzi!!  Price, specs, intangibles, all seem to be very very reasonable and well thought out.  Time for the talking heads here to put up or shut up.  Is this a forum for Guzzi enthusiasts or a bunch of whiny old men that wear Guzzi T-shirts cuz "they were riding Guzzi when Guzzi wasn't cool" ????
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 18, 2018, 12:16:31 PM
The beauty of a market is that it's never time for anybody to "put up or shut up" in reaction to a childlike taunt. Let's hope for the people in Mandello that testing reveals something that individuals will see as a good use of their money.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 18, 2018, 12:23:49 PM
I really want to see some independent dyno numbers.  If Pete turns out to be wrong, he's going to have a hard time explaining all his many many blathering to the contrary.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Denis on November 18, 2018, 12:50:19 PM
Not my cup of tea but good for Guzzi!!  Price, specs, intangibles, all seem to be very very reasonable and well thought out.  Time for the talking heads here to put up or shut up.  Is this a forum for Guzzi enthusiasts or a bunch of whiny old men that wear Guzzi T-shirts cuz "they were riding Guzzi when Guzzi wasn't cool" ????

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on November 18, 2018, 01:18:11 PM
Apparently it is man's or at least some on this forum’s destiny, to B..... rather complain.
I applaud MG’s efforts and none of us will know how it’s going to be until we ride the bike. And not a 5 minute round the parking lot thing.
From all accounts it looks like they’ll have a winner.
My only question right now is when will it be at the dealers and...ok 2 questions, what is the load carrying capacity for us’ns who likes to ride 2 up?
 :lipsrsealed:
Thank you
inditx
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: stmike on November 18, 2018, 01:20:32 PM
From the Long Beach show:
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(https://thumb.ibb.co/mwVMuf/39-DEBA35-2-D6-A-482-D-B8-AE-A4-B7202-B0-FEA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mwVMuf)

(https://thumb.ibb.co/f2iKfL/A79-D0-CFD-145-D-4-F5-F-BA05-C35-C788-D25-DF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f2iKfL)
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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: stmike on November 18, 2018, 01:22:06 PM

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 18, 2018, 01:31:23 PM
Jim Hamlin (Hamlin Cycles) just confirmed.

$12,990 with bags
$11,990 without

Guzzi recently sent him the pricing info.

A thousand bucks for bags and a top case seems like a good deal to me unless they are junk.

Slime in the tubes has always been a standard procedure for me and with over 100K on a few bikes with tubes I've gotten one slow leak which I nursed back home without too much of a hassle.  As others have said, they will hopefully offer a tubeless rim option.

And for Christ's sake, can we at least wait until a non-factory rider has had a change to review the bike before we piss on the parade?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 18, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
I like it, I'm going to buy one... I am surrounded by FS roads and plenty of country roads to access them... I have been thinking about a medium ADV for two years. This beats a wee-strom, tiger, or a japanese dual sport IMHO... checks all my boxes and I don't care what color it is. I'll slime the tubes and seal the rims the first time I need tires...

Otherwise just a lot of bellyaching around this bike

it's under $13k with bags, it's 460# dry, 80hp, centerstand available.... I don't see what there is to bitch about.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on November 18, 2018, 02:14:55 PM
I like it. It would be ideal for a lot of our roads and would be an ideal tourer. Our speed limit is 100kms/hr, pretty rigidly enforced so high speed is something you do at your own risk, and we have enough gravel roads to get to some pretty nice places off the beaten track.

I would prefer tubeless.  On the Breva I carry a small compressor, a dog turd kit and a canister of sealant in a compressed air can.  Some places in our fair land, especially in the South Island, have a fair distance between tire repair places.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 18, 2018, 03:42:58 PM
I think the price may be about $1K high to be competitive but a lot hinges on how well the bike works.  With no reactive linkage on the rear suspension and small block power, it could be a dog.  Or if those issues have been carefully massaged it could be a great bike that fills in the market gap created by ever increasing complexity and size of road going competitors.

How much time on small blocks do you have?  Where do you do most of your riding?  I just got in from riding curvy hilly farm roads and the V7III had more than enough power to do anything I wanted to do.  I am amazed at how well it revs to redline without a single complaint.  Any more HP would be a waste unless you spend all your time on the interstates (boring).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 18, 2018, 03:43:28 PM
I really want to see some independent dyno numbers.  If Pete turns out to be wrong, he's going to have a hard time explaining all his many many blathering to the contrary.  :popcorn:

You can't alter the laws of physics Chad.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mjptexas on November 18, 2018, 04:01:08 PM
I think the price may be about $1K high to be competitive but a lot hinges on how well the bike works.  With no reactive linkage on the rear suspension and small block power, it could be a dog.  Or if those issues have been carefully massaged it could be a great bike that fills in the market gap created by ever increasing complexity and size of road going competitors.

Not sure why you say this - it's cheaper than the low end BMW solution (F750 GS) and the low end Triumph solution (Tiger 800 Xr), and, the naked version's price is comparable to a Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled.  How do I know?  I looked at those three bikes this weekend.  I was pleasantly surprised with the V85 price.  I'm just not sure I want to wait till June, which is when AF1 says they expect their first shipment, nor am I sure I want to live with the teething problems related to a brand new Guzzi model.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on November 18, 2018, 04:12:46 PM
'Moto Guzzi. Spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar since, well, a long time now'!

Piaggio claim to want to build something spectacular. Then they deliver a 2 valve 'Turd in a Tu-Tu', lie about its performance, stick it in a chassis with cheap, bargain basement, suspension design, fling on a set of the cheapest wheels imaginable and then pray it will appeal to some huge, untapped, market of non motorbike riders who will then rush out and buy it!

Good grief!

   "Turd in  Tu Tu "   :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 18, 2018, 04:21:25 PM
Jim Hamlin (Hamlin Cycles) just confirmed.

$12,990 with bags
$11,990 without

Guzzi recently sent him the pricing info.

I'll take mine w/o bags and in the solid color thank you. Will be interesting (or depressing) to see what trade-in value my V7 III brings.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 18, 2018, 04:34:51 PM
I'll take mine w/o bags and in the solid color thank you. Will be interesting (or depressing) to see what trade-in value my V7 III brings.

If you find slightlt less than whole sale auction pricing interesting you'll be fine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 18, 2018, 06:28:17 PM
If you find slightlt less than whole sale auction pricing interesting you'll be fine.

What are you suggesting - that Guzzi's don't have good resale value?   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DaSwami on November 18, 2018, 07:55:08 PM
What are you suggesting - that Guzzi's don't have good resale value?   :rolleyes:

In my experience, selling my Guzzi's netted me more $$ than my Triumphs.  I am shocked how it seems Triumph is so lightly regarded in the marketplace, at least here in the southeast.

However, the inverse is true when trying to trade in to a dealer.  With the Guzzi, you would have thought I walked into the dealer showroom as a vampire. All I got was the "crawdad" treatment from the salespeople (pincers out and slowly backing away...)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 19, 2018, 05:28:48 AM
Ha ha.. THAT'S funny.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Texas Turnip on November 19, 2018, 08:43:53 AM
Maybe I missed it, but what size gas tank does it have an any idea of mpg?
Thanks,
Tex
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 19, 2018, 08:49:37 AM
Maybe I missed it, but what size gas tank does it have an any idea of mpg?
Thanks,
Tex

At over 500lbs RTR I'd hope the fuel cell holds somewhere in the neighborhood of about 27 gallons to account for the extra heft!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 19, 2018, 09:08:17 AM
I like it, I'm going to buy one... I am surrounded by FS roads and plenty of country roads to access them... I have been thinking about a medium ADV for two years. This beats a wee-strom, tiger, or a japanese dual sport IMHO... checks all my boxes and I don't care what color it is. I'll slime the tubes and seal the rims the first time I need tires...

Otherwise just a lot of bellyaching around this bike

it's under $13k with bags, it's 460# dry, 80hp, centerstand available.... I don't see what there is to bitch about.

For off road riding the biggest disadvantage even riding the most manicured fire roads is the $500+lb weight. My Vstrom 650 with a curb weight of 472 lbs was too heavy and got shod with street tires and was never taken off road. Honestly my DR650 with a curb weight of 366lbs was more than enough even on dry groomed fire roads. 

I don't care what tires you put on they alone can not compensate enough for an extra 100+lbs. Going forward is not a problem on these behemoths its the stopping or turning when things start to get fun.  Add in a little rain, a skim of mud and an incline/decline and the extra weight really becomes you enemy. Heavy bikes no matter what make/model off road are no fun. Heck heavy bikes on road are becoming less and less fun.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 19, 2018, 09:27:55 AM
Not sure why you say this - it's cheaper than the low end BMW solution (F750 GS) and the low end Triumph solution (Tiger 800 Xr), and, the naked version's price is comparable to a Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled.  How do I know?  I looked at those three bikes this weekend.  I was pleasantly surprised with the V85 price.  I'm just not sure I want to wait till June, which is when AF1 says they expect their first shipment, nor am I sure I want to live with the teething problems related to a brand new Guzzi model.

I think the TT's performance is likely to be lower than the bikes you mention, and that the Suzuki is also part of the equation.   The pattern with Guzzi for years has been to price the bikes as though they are a widely respected high status marque, which they aren't in the real world, especially outside of Europe.  Then when they fail to sell at that price, they're blown out at heavy discounts.  The way to break that cycle is to price them in the middle, somewhat aggressively, and offer a product (perhaps like this one) that better meets mass market demand and will move at somewhere near retail.  The US market is in particular extremely competitive in this regard and it takes a substantial buy in to get established.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on November 19, 2018, 10:11:53 AM
$12k US without the bags is a good price based on other comparable new bikes I've been looking at (Triumph, BMW, etc.).  The shaft is nice as folks have mentioned and $1k for bags all around is great assuming a decent build quality (also mentioned).

I think I read around 50 mpg.  Will try to find the source again and will edit the post if I do.

<edit> It may have been in the EICMA official release.  ADVRider says they announced it as 48 MPG.   Now we get to ask:  what's a gallon?  ;)    (1 imperial = 1.2 US)

https://advrider.com/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-specs-released-eicma-2018/ 

</edit>
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cage Free on November 19, 2018, 10:22:28 AM
$12,999 sounds cheap.  I hope it's not a case of getting what you paid for. 

I sincerely hope quality control, connectors, wiring and other foibles are minimized on this Guzzi and typical "sorting out" is not required.

.
Saw it yesterday at the Long Beach show and was disappointed in the details, looked done on a budget to me compared to my Stelvio. Id rather it had been $14999. and looked it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 19, 2018, 11:36:57 AM
So far I am loving the bike...

Price seems to be reasonable for US (hopefully I don't get some stupid shit tax in Canada)

I can get the 2-tone color WITH boxes for 13K US which is ~17K CDN...this is almost unheard of with the similar bikes on the market...beside the DRZ and KLR which are dirt cheap...that also VStrom but have start reading long term reports where people are finding hairline cracks on the alum chassis after good offroading... :shocked:

seat height is manageable from the number...really need to still sit on one.

Tube sucks, but I am sure there are geniuses here can teach me how to seal them....I have broken down on the side of the road with tube tires where I accidentally pinched the 2 spares I got and waited another 2 hours for BCAA to showed up...ya, wasn't a fun day.

Air-cool which means no issues with radiator plugging up...friend's Vstrom actually overheated in the middle of Alaska because of plugged rad and pinched hose...

Either way, I really want to see how the rider review by new owners/individual reports...Would love to see some feedbacks from people who don't work for Guzzi LOL...

Maybe I missed it, but what size gas tank does it have an any idea of mpg?
Thanks,
Tex

21L with claimed 4.9L/100KM (48US MPG)

I'll take mine w/o bags and in the solid color thank you. Will be interesting (or depressing) to see what trade-in value my V7 III brings.

You and me both...except my is a V7...the fast red one  :tongue:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 19, 2018, 12:10:07 PM
How much time on small blocks do you have?  Where do you do most of your riding?  I just got in from riding curvy hilly farm roads and the V7III had more than enough power to do anything I wanted to do.  I am amazed at how well it revs to redline without a single complaint.  Any more HP would be a waste unless you spend all your time on the interstates (boring).

50/50 between central Europe and the western US, everything from goat tracks to Autobahnen at roughly 150 kph on a bike with this seating position. Otherwise mostly on twisty roads as fast as I can safely ride them. I have enough time on small blocks to know the pre-existing versions don’t have enough power to haul around a bike like this in a way that will sell the bike.  I’m hoping that they’ve got just enough extra power out of the engine to make it work well for the service I’ve described. Also that the swing arm is long enough to limit shaft jacking likewise.  I think the above is possible, just barely, and I’m hoping they’ve pulled it off.  Testing will tell the tale.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: th_01 on November 20, 2018, 11:09:41 AM

What's all the bitchn? 

Good job Aprilia for keeping it alive.   

Everytime Guzzi has a new bike there is a rush to beat the crap out of it. Why?? 

How many of you would buy it if it had tubeless rims, weighed less than a GS, different color, well over 100 HP, etc, etc????   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Spuddy on November 20, 2018, 11:19:06 AM
What is the rush to seal spoked wheels?

Don't tubeless tires require a rim designed for them?

I'm more unimpressed with the 2 valve heads.  I also kinda like the bolt on rear wheel of my Stelvio.

Spud
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mjptexas on November 20, 2018, 12:09:31 PM
Maybe I missed it, but what size gas tank does it have an any idea of mpg?
Thanks,
Tex

Key metrics for me were:

Seat height: 32.7 in
tank capacity: 5.5 gallons
Wet weight: 504 lbs

Didn't see anything about mileage.  Based on what people report regarding newer Guzzis I suspect it will be somewhere between 40-50 mpg.

Here's a shot of the specs I found:


(https://thumb.ibb.co/dSetCA/Guzzi-specs.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dSetCA)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 20, 2018, 12:54:06 PM
What is the rush to seal spoked wheels?

Don't tubeless tires require a rim designed for them?

 

Having flats with tubes sucks.  Having flats with tubeless is a few minutes of down time.

Motorcycle wheels for the road, marked "MC" all have the little shoulder in the rim to keep the tire from coming off.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on November 20, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
I'm more unimpressed with the 2 valve heads.  I also kinda like the bolt on rear wheel of my Stelvio.

Spud

I am probably wrong here but in my somewhat fractured memory banks I have it that two valve heads tend to give better low end torque than 4 valve heads, which is where a bike like this would want it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: not-fishing on November 20, 2018, 01:19:20 PM
(https://thumb.ibb.co/hL3yqL/V85.png) (https://ibb.co/hL3yqL) 

Yeah well some of us Want to Be Seen on the road.

Dark colors are all nice and bad but keeping oneself out of the EU is more important to some ------ like me  Another fat finger moment I meant ER - I've always hated acronyms must be my bad experience with the Navy

Do a little downhill mountain biking in the forest and you'll understand why some of us wear "loud" clothes.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 20, 2018, 01:37:21 PM
Yeah well some of us Want to Be Seen on the road.

Dark colors are all nice and bad but keeping oneself out of the EU is more important to some ------ like me

Do a little downhill mountain biking in the forest and you'll understand why some of us wear "loud" clothes.

What do you have against Europe?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: WitchCityGuzzi on November 20, 2018, 01:46:56 PM
What's all the bitchn? 

Good job Aprilia for keeping it alive.   

Everytime Guzzi has a new bike there is a rush to beat the crap out of it. Why?? 

How many of you would buy it if it had tubeless rims, weighed less than a GS, different color, well over 100 HP, etc, etc????

Exactly. I think we know how many. You basically described the Stelvio and they barely sold. Then of course when they were discontinued everyone decried the loss.  I remember everyone dumping on the original Stelvio because it's tank wasn't big enought, etc, etc. Then they built the NTX with the bigger tank and they still didn't really sell. I believe this bike can make 80hp. 100hp per liter is not a magic number anymore. (Hell, my tuned Fiat Abarth is making nearly 237hp out of 1400cc's.) We'll have to wait and see I guess. Honestly, that's not that important to me anyway. I'm more curious how the suspension works offroad. I'd like it to have tubeless rims, but I can deal with taping the rims.

I hope Guzzi only builds them to order too. Guzzi needs to stop having bikes on the showroom floor that people wait til they're half priced to buy. It's not a great business model.

I hope that people don't miss the boat on this one like they did with the Stelvio. About the time folks figured out it was one of the best values in ADV bikes, it went away.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 20, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
Sellers “miss the boat” when buyers choose to commit their money elsewhere and the seller is forced to sell at discounted prices.  That’s a problem Piaggio has to solve for themselves with the V85TT, the buyers will have no problem resolving their own problems, with or without Piaggio.  Aprilia is not involved to the best of my knowledge.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 20, 2018, 03:23:05 PM
What do you have against Europe?

My guess is that the author would like to stay out of the ER by being visible and didn’t intend to say anything at all about the EU or Europe.   :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 20, 2018, 04:03:24 PM
If they get the "little stuff" right with it, make it dependable and not needing sorting out-of-the-box then they will have a winner in my eyes.


Um....it's a GUZZI.


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 21, 2018, 05:12:14 AM
I believe this bike can make 80hp. 100hp per liter is not a magic number anymore.

Agreed, but, most motorcycles that do that are either four valve/cylinder and water cooled, or, in the case of Ducati's 2V air cooled motors, Desmo.
I think 80 HP might be a stretch, but, I guess with the right engineering, is plausible.

(Hell, my tuned Fiat Abarth is making nearly 237hp out of 1400cc's.)

Your Fiat is turbocharged, water cooled, and 4 valves per cylinder.   Hardly a fair comparison.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 21, 2018, 06:32:30 AM
my wife's fiat, the 500c normally aspirated 5 speed is 100 hp - about the same as my 1400 Cali.  The Fiat gets better highway mileage and is a blast to drive on a winding road.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on November 21, 2018, 06:43:46 AM
  100 hp per 1000 cc's is a two valve normally aspirated  number, OHV or OHC....and it's pretty accurate for even for hot street engines...Current crop of sportbikes with 4 valve heads and some having variable cam timing exceed that easily, almost double and absolutely insane power.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 21, 2018, 07:37:56 AM
I think it's wonderful. Why, because it's getting all the older Guzzi riders in an uproar.  That HAS to be good for the younger market. Like the old saying goes; "If the elders hate it, the youngers will love it". Like it or not, we need younger Guzzi owners in a bad way and the TT just might be the one to fit the bill.

If only they had more dealers...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 21, 2018, 07:40:28 AM
I think it's wonderful. Why, because it's getting all the older Guzzi riders in an uproar.  That HAS to be good for the younger market. Like the old saying goes; "If the elders hate it, the youngers will love it". Like it or not, we need younger Guzzi owners in a bad way and the TT just might be the one to fit the bill.

If only they had more dealers...

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: MadMike on November 21, 2018, 07:58:49 AM
:thumb:

And its Shaft Driven which makes it awesome. To get this value in the three lettered German brand, you'll have to spend mega Euro's and end up with some heavy asymmetrical headlight looking thing with weird front suspension. Blah. The V85TT in my opinion is a modern take on R100GS from back in the day. The German brand lost its way after this model in terms of weight, complexity, and various levels of ugly.
Good job Moto Guzzi. Good times will be had.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: SteveRivet on November 21, 2018, 08:14:35 AM
I think this will be a raging hit for Guzzi. 

Price is very attractive vs peers, styling is solid, they've made the point that it's designed to accommodate the sub-six foot crowd, and power is sufficient.   You can argue weight and power against peers, but if the motor pulls like a typical Guzzi it will deliver more than needed real world power, and it's not exactly a secret that 90% of the adventure bikes never see dirt.  Yeah - the guys that will actually take one off road will get a KTM or one of the pimped up BMW's, or the Yamaha 700 Tenere when it hits the shores, bt that's a minority.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joliet Jim on November 21, 2018, 08:21:47 AM
Just for comparison some numbers off the internet from New Zealand
EV
74 HP
67.8 HP RW and
70lbs torque

I know the 1100 never left me wanting more power, so this bike should be interesting if the numbers hold
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 21, 2018, 08:24:04 AM
Just for comparison some numbers off the internet from New Zealand
EV
74 HP
67.8 HP RW and
70lbs torque

I know the 1100 never left me wanting more power, so this bike should be interesting if the numbers hold

And weight was closer to 600# wet on an EV.


Hell the Cal-Vin was 616# wet, and rated 72 hp at the crank / 70 ft. lbs  --- which translated to ~68 rwhp/~58 torques
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 21, 2018, 08:45:26 AM
And its Shaft Driven which makes it awesome. To get this value in the three lettered German brand, you'll have to spend mega Euro's and end up with some heavy asymmetrical headlight looking thing with weird front suspension. Blah. The V85TT in my opinion is a modern take on R100GS from back in the day. The German brand lost its way after this model in terms of weight, complexity, and various levels of ugly.

Good job Moto Guzzi. Good times will be had.

As a big fan of Guzzis and of the R100GS (I’ve had three including my current ’90) I’m hopeful that it will be a “modernized R100GS”.  If so it will be because of modernized detail engineering, as well as keeping an eye on basic issues like easy serviceability and simplicity.  On a higher level it lacks some of the innovative design that makes the old GS such an effective bike: anti-jacking rear suspension, single sided swing arm and tubeless tires.  OTOH it may have more power, better front brake and a stiffer chassis.

I agree completely about new BMWs - I find them very unattractive.  It was a shame that neither the Quota and Stelvio effectively addressed the market for a bike that BMW hasn't made for a long time.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: AH Fan on November 21, 2018, 10:22:08 AM
And its Shaft Driven which makes it awesome. To get this value in the three lettered German brand, you'll have to spend mega Euro's and end up with some heavy asymmetrical headlight looking thing with weird front suspension. Blah. The V85TT in my opinion is a modern take on R100GS from back in the day. The German brand lost its way after this model in terms of weight, complexity, and various levels of ugly.
Good job Moto Guzzi. Good times will be had.



Well said....  :thumb:

Ciao
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on November 21, 2018, 10:37:00 AM
Quote
The German brand lost its way after this model in terms of weight, complexity, and various levels of ugly.


 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: dxhall on November 21, 2018, 10:52:32 AM
I am really tempted to put a deposit down on one of these.  My local dealer is not great.  Any recommendations on a dealer for a fly and ride deal?  If I retire next spring, I may have some time for a trip.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on November 21, 2018, 11:13:26 AM
 New promo Video
https://youtu.be/fUn1ABj4xBE
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 21, 2018, 12:05:02 PM
And its Shaft Driven which makes it awesome. To get this value in the three lettered German brand, you'll have to spend mega Euro's and end up with some heavy asymmetrical headlight looking thing with weird front suspension. Blah. The V85TT in my opinion is a modern take on R100GS from back in the day. The German brand lost its way after this model in terms of weight, complexity, and various levels of ugly.
Good job Moto Guzzi. Good times will be had.

HEAR HEAR!

If the German stuck to the styling of how they were building the airhead, that will be a different story...

While V85TT may not be the most tech advance bike out there, Guzzi def wins the styling and simplicity department...follow ing close 2nd with Triumph 1200scram.

Again...WAITING for that real independent rider review!!! *coughHuzocough*  :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 21, 2018, 01:42:40 PM
HEAR HEAR!

If the German stuck to the styling of how they were building the airhead, that will be a different story...

While V85TT may not be the most tech advance bike out there, Guzzi def wins the styling and simplicity department...follow ing close 2nd with Triumph 1200scram.

Again...WAITING for that real independent rider review!!! *coughHuzocough*  :evil:
I'm sure I won't be the first Timmy.
But the order is in and the money is waiting... :clock:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on November 21, 2018, 02:40:47 PM

But the order is in and the money is waiting... :clock:

Same here guys (since March).  Reviews will be plentiful.  I am hoping the original date for the dealers of Jan holds instead of the March date.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on November 21, 2018, 03:22:50 PM
  100 hp per 1000 cc's is a two valve normally aspirated  number, OHV or OHC....and it's pretty accurate for even for hot street engines...Current crop of sportbikes with 4 valve heads and some having variable cam timing exceed that easily, almost double and absolutely insane power.

I can’t think of one factory motorcycle putting out 100hp per liter that has screw and locknut valves or air-cooling. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on November 21, 2018, 03:35:02 PM
I am really tempted to put a deposit down on one of these.  My local dealer is not great.  Any recommendations on a dealer for a fly and ride deal?  If I retire next spring, I may have some time for a trip.

Enzo at Cadre Cycle in Cincinnati
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on November 21, 2018, 03:39:05 PM
The German brand lost its way after this model in terms of weight, complexity, and various levels of ugly.


I disagree 🥴🥴🥴
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 21, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
I disagree 🥴🥴🥴

I agree with your disagreement.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on November 21, 2018, 05:06:09 PM
I agree with your disagreement.

I disagree with your agree of disagreement.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 21, 2018, 05:33:45 PM
I can’t think of one factory motorcycle putting out 100hp per liter that has screw and locknut valves or air-cooling.

Exactly. The 100hp/l figure is linked to 'Old School' air cooled, 2VPC motors. Modern engines are another completely different kettle of bananas.

In one of the more recent press releases there were a few things that I thought were a bit weird. Talk of roller tappets and mention of roller rockers from memory. That's all very well but both will add significantly to the mass of the valvetrain. The use of Ti valve heads on the inlet valves won't compensate for that extra, power-sapping, mass.

We are also talking about only two valves per cylinder. It doesn't matter how big you make them, (and once again size men's added mass.) the fact remains that a single large valve won't flow as much gas as two smaller ones. Volumetric efficiency is going to suffer.

The one that really piqued my interest though was the statement that seemed to imply that power had been boosted by evacuating the crankcase so the pistons weren't having to fight against crankcase pressure. Now this one is really perplexing. If this is the case, and it would explain the full dry sumping choice, you would need a super effective scavenge pump that can run both gas tight and with spotty lubrication but the main thing is that if this is what is expected to be achieved it's going to be a negative sum game because you can't add another level of mechanical movement without loosing more power than you are going to gain. It's an impossibility, like a perpetual motion machine. The pump not only has to move the mass of the gas and oil inside the case, it also has to be driven. This all takes power from the motor. This is a motorbike engine. Not a fusion reactor! None of it makes any sense!

I'll say it again. I really hope they sell these things by the boatload. I think they are likely to be a great, fun, bike. What worries me is that they will claim the impossible for it and when it is exposed it will immediately be panned in the press and ignored by the public.

I remain hopeful they will Hi-Cam and 4VPC it. The transverse V design is ideal for such a system and it is a lot simpler and more practical than a DOHC with shim and bucket lash adjustment system. It will also give a decent and realistic performance boost.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 21, 2018, 05:59:36 PM
I disagree with your agree of disagreement.

I agree, with your disagreement of his agreement with disagreement.

I.e. BMW's got a bad case o' ugly!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 21, 2018, 06:53:39 PM
I agree, with your disagreement of his agreement with disagreement.

I.e. BMW's got a bad case o' ugly!

Just like my wife who would care less the looks of what she's riding....as long as it handles great and feels good!

When are you and Jay women folk coming down to eat AMAZING cured meats, great BBQ drink high proof liquior and cheap beer?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on November 21, 2018, 07:39:46 PM
I agree, with your disagreement of his agreement with disagreement.

I.e. BMW's got a bad case o' ugly!

Sure works, though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 21, 2018, 07:54:38 PM
Just like my wife who would care less the looks of what she's riding....as long as it handles great and feels good!

When are you and Jay women folk coming down to eat AMAZING cured meats, great BBQ drink high proof liquior and cheap beer?

Jenn won't ride or drive anything she doesn't think looks good. ... Well ... Anything but me.

One of these days we would absolutely love to take you up on that!

We're often kept close to the farmstead by our barely not ankle biters lol.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 21, 2018, 07:56:10 PM
Sure works, though.

I don't need a bike that is so much more capable than me that I feel inadequate lol.

I much prefer something charmingly as inept as myself.  :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on November 21, 2018, 08:51:54 PM
I don't need a bike that is so much more capable than me that I feel inadequate lol.

I much prefer something charmingly as inept as myself.  :boozing:

No argument there.😇
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: MadMike on November 21, 2018, 08:53:42 PM
I don't need a bike that is so much more capable than me that I feel inadequate lol.

I much prefer something charmingly as inept as myself.  :boozing:

Styling is definitely important in a motorcycle because it keeps the design in check. This is where BMW went off the rails and what makes the V85TT so special. If you want a Bavarian shafty then you end up with a 1,250cc powerplant...and for what? So you can have have unnecessary servo activated variable valve timing, a forward facing clutch, electronic suspension that needs its own IP address, oh and get this, strategic liquid cooling. The whole point of having the cylinders stick out like the arms of a deranged cheerleader were for avoiding additional complexity and plumbing. Now you have double radiators along with the utterly useless A arm front suspension making the beam of these bikes ready for the 2019 boat show circuit.
OK- so you say...well not fair 'cause going by weight you should be comparing it to a BMW FU something or other- like an F850. Again, no shaft so not a real contender plus they are violently ugly.
V85TT fills a niche left open by the other manufacturers and as a bonus are easy on the eye too. Very important.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on November 21, 2018, 09:01:10 PM
Styling is definitely important in a motorcycle because it keeps the design in check. This is where BMW went off the rails and what makes the V85TT so special. If you want a Bavarian shafty then you end up with a 1,250cc powerplant...and for what? So you can have have unnecessary servo activated variable valve timing, a forward facing clutch, electronic suspension that needs its own IP address, oh and get this, strategic liquid cooling. The whole point of having the cylinders stick out like the arms of a deranged cheerleader were for avoiding additional complexity and plumbing. Now you have double radiators along with the utterly useless A arm front suspension making the beam of these bikes ready for the 2019 boat show circuit.
OK- so you say...well not fair 'cause going by weight you should be comparing it to a BMW FU something or other- like an F850. Again, no shaft so not a real contender plus they are violently ugly.
V85TT fills a niche left open by the other manufacturers and as a bonus are easy on the eye too. Very important.

I concur!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 21, 2018, 10:08:50 PM
Styling is definitely important in a motorcycle because it keeps the design in check. This is where BMW went off the rails and what makes the V85TT so special. If you want a Bavarian shafty then you end up with a 1,250cc powerplant...and for what? So you can have have unnecessary servo activated variable valve timing, a forward facing clutch, electronic suspension that needs its own IP address, oh and get this, strategic liquid cooling. The whole point of having the cylinders stick out like the arms of a deranged cheerleader were for avoiding additional complexity and plumbing. Now you have double radiators along with the utterly useless A arm front suspension making the beam of these bikes ready for the 2019 boat show circuit.
OK- so you say...well not fair 'cause going by weight you should be comparing it to a BMW FU something or other- like an F850. Again, no shaft so not a real contender plus they are violently ugly.
V85TT fills a niche left open by the other manufacturers and as a bonus are easy on the eye too. Very important.

Ha ha you're preaching to the choir brother!

Sometime, in recent history, bikes (and cars) got so unbelievably capable that we lost site of just how fun it is to push something close enough to its limits to scare us but far enough away from the instant jail me now speeds to laugh about it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 22, 2018, 01:11:33 AM
As a good friend of mine states, "Fast enough to be entertaining, but not so fast as to get tunnel vision".
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on November 22, 2018, 02:04:20 AM
Quote
Quote from: MadMike on November 21, 2018, 08:53:42 PM

Styling is definitely important in a motorcycle because it keeps the design in check. This is where BMW went off the rails and what makes the V85TT so special. If you want a Bavarian shafty then you end up with a 1,250cc powerplant...and for what? So you can have have unnecessary servo activated variable valve timing, a forward facing clutch, electronic suspension that needs its own IP address, oh and get this, strategic liquid cooling. The whole point of having the cylinders stick out like the arms of a deranged cheerleader were for avoiding additional complexity and plumbing. Now you have double radiators along with the utterly useless A arm front suspension making the beam of these bikes ready for the 2019 boat show circuit.
OK- so you say...well not fair 'cause going by weight you should be comparing it to a BMW FU something or other- like an F850. Again, no shaft so not a real contender plus they are violently ugly.
V85TT fills a niche left open by the other manufacturers and as a bonus are easy on the eye too. Very important.




I concur!

So what we really want is this?

(https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Moto%20Guzzi%20Quota%201100%20ES%201998%20%203.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 22, 2018, 03:24:30 AM
Oh please! No!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 22, 2018, 03:37:19 AM
That rear UJ looks like it operates through a hell of an angle..?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 22, 2018, 07:39:17 AM
I concur with Mad Mike.  Having had a few Beemers, I can say that in my opinion, they started to come unglued with the first "canbus" models around 2005.  Also, at that time, the prices took about a 20% bump model to model.  A subtle change started among the ownership as the tax bracket of new owners moved ever upward.  In 1999,, you could go to a BMW rally and find a slew of airheads (remember "simple by design") with many owners capable and willing to do their own service, and to help you out if you needed it.   These folks always had a cold beer and a smile at the ready so it felt like an extended family. A current Guzzi rally reminds me of this time. Personally, as I am new to the brand,I just thought I was getting a cool bike, but this bonus of community was unexpected, but very welcomed.  Contrast the modern BMW rally.  If you have a problem, you had best just whip out the credit card as opposed to a wrench.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on November 22, 2018, 08:42:39 AM
BMW's forward facing clutch seems like a good idea.
No?
What am I missing here?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on November 22, 2018, 09:55:39 AM
Styling is definitely important in a motorcycle because it keeps the design in check. This is where BMW went off the rails and what makes the V85TT so special. If you want a Bavarian shafty then you end up with a 1,250cc powerplant...and for what? So you can have have unnecessary servo activated variable valve timing, a forward facing clutch, electronic suspension that needs its own IP address, oh and get this, strategic liquid cooling. The whole point of having the cylinders stick out like the arms of a deranged cheerleader were for avoiding additional complexity and plumbing. Now you have double radiators along with the utterly useless A arm front suspension making the beam of these bikes ready for the 2019 boat show circuit.
OK- so you say...well not fair 'cause going by weight you should be comparing it to a BMW FU something or other- like an F850. Again, no shaft so not a real contender plus they are violently ugly.
V85TT fills a niche left open by the other manufacturers and as a bonus are easy on the eye too. Very important.

You’ve already hit the real issue here, the appropriate BMW comparison with the V85 is the F series GS line, not the boxers. If you think the absence of shaft drive means it’s “not a real contender”, so be it, but you’d better hope the new Guzzi works anywhere NEAR as well. As for the distinctive GS look, it appeals to quite a few folks, being BMW’s top selling line. You don’t have to like it, of course.

That said, I like what I’ve seen of the V85 too, and hope it lives up to it’s promise.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 22, 2018, 10:09:13 AM
remember "simple by design"

There were several versions of that but "simple by choice" is the one I remember, a self deprecating description created partly as humor.  "Airhead" was the same, and by the same bunch. The attitude and phrase was the result of early dissatisfaction among formerly hardcore BMW enthusiasts and was created by B. Jan Hoffman and Ron Jensen...  I was around at the time  :grin: (early 90s) I thought they were overreacting but in retrospect they were looking 20 years ahead with remarkable clarity.  Jan is still riding his R100R with who knows how many miles (hundreds of thousands) and Ron hasn't ridden a BMW in many years.  Last I heard he was riding the latest in a long string of Suzuki V-Stoms.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mjptexas on November 22, 2018, 11:37:53 AM
You’ve already hit the real issue here, the appropriate BMW comparison with the V85 is the F series GS line, not the boxers. If you think the absence of shaft drive means it’s “not a real contender”, so be it, but you’d better hope the new Guzzi works anywhere NEAR as well. As for the distinctive GS look, it appeals to quite a few folks, being BMW’s top selling line. You don’t have to like it, of course.

That said, I like what I’ve seen of the V85 too, and hope it lives up to it’s promise.

I've looked at the F750 GS and would predict it will be the main challenger to the V85.  Issue will be price, as BMW seems Hell-bent on importing bikes with all the bells and whistles.  I was quoted an 'out the door' price of $16,500 on a new one.  A fully loaded V85 should be a couple of thousand  less 'out the door'.  IMHO the V85 is a better looking bike.  I find the looks of a GS to be an acquired taste. Having said that, I'd be really tempted by a F750 GS that doesn't have the extra $2,500 in doodads that I'm not interested in.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on November 22, 2018, 12:18:37 PM
I've looked at the F750 GS and would predict it will be the main challenger to the V85.  Issue will be price, as BMW seems Hell-bent on importing bikes with all the bells and whistles.  I was quoted an 'out the door' price of $16,500 on a new one.  A fully loaded V85 should be a couple of thousand  less 'out the door'.  IMHO the V85 is a better looking bike.  I find the looks of a GS to be an acquired taste. Having said that, I'd be really tempted by a F750 GS that doesn't have the extra $2,500 in doodads that I'm not interested in.

True, BMW dealer inventory tends to be “loaded”. I’m sure you can special order whatever trim level you like, but really, when you’re ready to pull the trigger, who wants to wait? Agree that the GS styling is an acquired taste. After renting one last summer for a week-long tour, I acquired it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 23, 2018, 08:52:43 AM
BMW's forward facing clutch seems like a good idea.
No?
What am I missing here?

Agreed -- don't have to disassemble the whole bike to change it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on November 24, 2018, 10:13:49 AM
I agree, with your disagreement of his agreement with disagreement.

I.e. BMW's got a bad case o' ugly!

"The German brand lost its way after this model in terms of weight, complexity, and various levels of ugly."

And that way over priced, ugly bike, with too many complex gadgets is a perennial best seller in the BMW line up. Any color out sells the whole of Guzzi offerings many times over. Go figure.  :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 24, 2018, 11:46:35 AM
"The German brand lost its way after this model in terms of weight, complexity, and various levels of ugly."

And that way over priced, ugly bike, with too many complex gadgets is a perennial best seller in the BMW line up. Any color out sells the whole of Guzzi offerings many times over. Go figure.  :boozing:

And McDonald's outsells every local and regional burger joint.

I don't care about that either.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on November 24, 2018, 01:33:47 PM
And McDonald's outsells every local and regional burger joint.

I don't care about that either.

Just goes to show us Guzzi owners may be in the minority. Which may not be a bad thing.   :huh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 24, 2018, 03:57:30 PM
I concur with Mad Mike.  Having had a few Beemers, I can say that in my opinion, they started to come unglued with the first "canbus" models around 2005.  Also, at that time, the prices took about a 20% bump model to model.  A subtle change started among the ownership as the tax bracket of new owners moved ever upward.  In 1999,, you could go to a BMW rally and find a slew of airheads (remember "simple by design") with many owners capable and willing to do their own service, and to help you out if you needed it.   These folks always had a cold beer and a smile at the ready so it felt like an extended family. A current Guzzi rally reminds me of this time. Personally, as I am new to the brand,I just thought I was getting a cool bike, but this bonus of community was unexpected, but very welcomed.  Contrast the modern BMW rally.  If you have a problem, you had best just whip out the credit card as opposed to a wrench.

If they still made airheads you'd probably still see them at rally's. But after almost 20 years of being discontinued would you expect to see the same numbers of them at a rally today?


I used to see a lot of Pinto's and Chevette's running around in the mid 85's heck there were a couple of each in the neighborhood now I can't remember the last time I even saw one. Now there are Ford Fusions and other new fangled stuff sitting in those same driveways and nobody but the dealer or service shop working on them. But in all fairness what needs worked on more cars from the 70 and 80 or late model stuff? Modern vehicles for the most part even the budget stuff is gas, oil changes and tires and expect at least 150,000 miles out it.


I'm a luddite in a lot of ways but thank dawg we are not damned to the same old mechanical technology from yesteryear. The real beauty is if you want old technology go buy it as there is plenty left out there. I you want new technology that available as well. Its a rare case of being able have your cake and eat it too.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on November 24, 2018, 08:43:27 PM
Apparently new motorcycles are not "modern vehicles" then...  :wink:

A friend often gives me a hard time for preferring daily rider bikes of the 90s and before, despite him having a collection of classic bikes as well. His daily riders are a R12GS and a KTM Adventure, both ugly as sin in my eyes, but they're "modern technology" in his words and naturally "much better" for it.  In the same conversation he explained that the plan with the KTM is to sell it well before the (30K? kilometer) major service, which he estimates to be about a $2000 job.  Then he'll buy a new middleweight KTM.  Good luck to him, and the mechanics he's supporting.

The V85TT is likely to be a lot more of fashioned in its maintenance than a modern KTM or new BMW and I think it will be a strong selling point for enough riders to buy Guzzi production.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 24, 2018, 09:22:54 PM
Apparently new motorcycles are not "modern vehicles" then...  :wink:

The second generation DR650 has been in continious production almost unchanged for the last 23 years.  Just because its "new" doesn't make it modern.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 24, 2018, 10:03:38 PM
I no longer want to ride an airhead.  But, I can buy an MG with modern features that I can still work on myself and go to rally's with many others of like mind. I don't want to drive Pintos and Chevettes, didn't want to in the day either.  There is a difference between vintage and shit.  Airheads were never shit but Pintos and Chevettes were, so I don't really get the analogy. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 24, 2018, 10:31:42 PM
I no longer want to ride an airhead.  But, I can buy an MG with modern features that I can still work on myself and go to rally's with many others of like mind. I don't want to drive Pintos and Chevettes, didn't want to in the day either.  There is a difference between vintage and shit.  Airheads were never shit but Pintos and Chevettes were, so I don't really get the analogy.

Let me know how you make out with the rally/roadside repair on the ECU, ABS or other electronic compoent when it goes tit up on your Guzzi?

Or by wrenching on your modern Guzzi were you talking about fluid changes and valve lash checks an maybe spark plugs and air filters changes te same things you can perform on a BMW or just about any other manufacturer?









Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 25, 2018, 06:13:41 AM
I typed a snarky response to you, but then thought better of it.  We have enough disrespect and lack of courtesy in the world for me to add to it.  Peace.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 25, 2018, 07:15:45 AM
Let me know how you make out with the rally/roadside repair on the ECU, ABS or other electronic compoent when it goes tit up on your Guzzi?

Or by wrenching on your modern Guzzi were you talking about fluid changes and valve lash checks an maybe spark plugs and air filters changes te same things you can perform on a BMW or just about any other manufacturer?

A. It's a huge logical failure to assume the ECU, ABS, or some electronic component that's unique to a modern bike WILL fail and that if it does it will be somehow more difficult to repair than it's older design counterpart. The assumption is mostly made by those who don't understand the modern systems or don't work on them.

B. There's a huge difference in what it takes to service most shim/bucket valves or even to access things like valves or spark plugs on many machines. It's largely dependent on engine and bodywork design.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 25, 2018, 07:25:09 AM
A. It's a huge logical failure to assume the ECU, ABS, or some electronic component that's unique to a modern bike WILL fail and that if it does it will be somehow more difficult to repair than it's older design counterpart. The assumption is mostly made by those who don't understand the modern systems or don't work on them.

B. There's a huge difference in what it takes to service most shim/bucket valves or even to access things like valves or spark plugs on many machines. It's largely dependent on engine and bodywork design.

"But, I can buy an MG with modern features that I can still work on myself "

Just trying to figure out what work the shade tree mechanic can be performed on "modern features" Guzzi that can't be done on BMW.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 25, 2018, 11:30:15 AM
"The assumption is mostly made by those who don't understand the modern systems or don't work on them."

This.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: F-22 on November 25, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
Hey, the Ducati Scrambler 1100 barely makes more power anyway (86hp straight from their webside). The 1200 Bonnie makes 80hp according to their website, despite having a water cooled 8 valve parallel twin engine and about 50% more capacity. 100hp/litre is decent for this kind of a bike. The 650 V-storm makes 66hp (around 100hp/litre). It's obviously not a sportbike.



About the clutch - I recall the Honda CX had a clutch up front. It meant the generator was at the back. Ironically, they were plagued with generator problems, so the easier clutch replacement wasn't really that big of an advantage (and the engine was fairly complex - e.g. the pistons are the last thing you can get out of it, so replacing the rings is practically a complete teardown). The clutch generally does not wear out very fast anyway. Another advantage of the layout Guzzi uses is that the engine oil is separate from the clutch and the gearbox, and stays cleaner, while the gearbox runs in gearbox-specific oil. Also, for any gearbox problems (although uncommon), you do not need to split the engine in half, you just open up the gearbox. The modern BMWs may seem nicer on paper, but there's no doubt a Guzzi is considerably more pleasant to work on/repair if something goes wrong. The water cooled boxers are very expensive for repairs - for example if you have any problem that could damage the cylinder (e.g. broken piston rings, valves, whatever...), you need to replace the whole engine block (cylinders are not separate). Also very commonly, if you crash, the front suspension has a mounting point on the engine block, which is some alloy that is not easy to weld, so you often need a new engine block if you crash. They're not bad bikes to ride, and decently reliable, but I prefer bikes that are easier/pleasant to maintain. Most modern bikes are just really annoying to work on (and are often even intentionally designed to be like that,  besides the planned obsolence and similar crap).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tris on November 27, 2018, 02:06:14 AM
I sat on one last weekend and here are my brief thoughts

a) Looks like its going to have a seat height about the same as my B11 - so workable for those of us with short legs

b) The rear peg hangers look a bit "exposed" shall we say.
    Its a big casting bolted to the casting for the front pegs secured with 2 cap head screws.
    I hope that the MG testers have dropped it on them a bunch of times to see if it busts/bends as its going to be an expensive component to replace

c) The key hole for the seat is at the back above the rear wheel. Its not a sealed lock so I see the potential for it to get full of mud/water and cease working

Would I have one?

YES but I think I'll wait a year because:-
a) I don't feel inclined to do MGs development work unless they have done significantly better than in days of yore
b) I'm enjoying my B11 too much at the moment - provided it doesn't play me up again  :wink:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 21, 2019, 12:33:21 AM
SOOOO to revive this thread...

so V85TT was in the Vancouver motorcycle show this year, and I had a lucky moment where I literally hogged the bike for a good 30 mins with a single salesman who was answering/providing information about the bike...lol...

To start, I am 5'9.5" with 29~" inseam, I was wearing a thick sole boots (roughly the same as my Alpinestar riding boots). I was able to flatfoot one side without shifting my butt and issue...so so happy when I did LOL...

(https://i.ibb.co/RN5H2J5/Photo-2019-01-20-3-06-44-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RN5H2J5)


(https://i.ibb.co/RN5H2J5/Photo-2019-01-20-3-06-44-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RN5H2J5)


Fits me like gloves!!

my knee wasn't too far bent up, and feel still got room to come up further for longer leg riders.

overall the bikes is pretty good built...quality seems there, from the outside anyway. Can't common on the guts until someone actually rip into it.

Couple things that kind of get me:

1. The skid guard for the pipes ARE bolted to the pipes only and they don't really protect the O2 senors which is kind of mind boggling...


(https://i.ibb.co/5BGj0R2/Photo-2019-01-20-3-05-10-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5BGj0R2)

(https://i.ibb.co/Fhq84jd/Photo-2019-01-20-3-07-28-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fhq84jd)

(https://i.ibb.co/tm2RZ3Q/Photo-2019-01-20-3-07-21-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tm2RZ3Q)


2. The swingarm pivot points have no easy access to it...So far they are covered up by the silver plate that the passenger foot peg is currently bolted to. I can't seem to find a way to get to it if ever required services except taking the silver plate off...

The silver plate also seems to bolt to the frame/engine...so...curious...


(https://i.ibb.co/Y49GdMb/Photo-2019-01-20-3-04-32-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y49GdMb)

(https://i.ibb.co/n0T5HSG/Photo-2019-01-20-3-04-43-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n0T5HSG)

(https://i.ibb.co/qCHGx3v/Photo-2019-01-20-3-04-52-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qCHGx3v)


3. maybe no so much for Aussy and Europe, but for North America, freaking DOT strikes again...

They changed the turn signal to the lovely lollipop style. Instead of the LED that is currently showing everywhere of the world and website.

That bugs me and according to my dealer, they can't change it nor install for us UNLESS the bike has left the shop and COME BACK as an used bike so they may work on it without voiding the initial warranty...


(https://i.ibb.co/JBtxRxw/Photo-2019-01-20-3-06-09-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JBtxRxw)

(https://i.ibb.co/r7t2dCM/image.png) (https://ibb.co/r7t2dCM)


4. maybe it is a personal thing, but I do find the area behind the cylinder heads and in front of the rear wheel well a bit busy...

It is supposed also house the crash guard? hmmm...


(https://i.ibb.co/r2WsWs1/Photo-2019-01-20-3-08-15-PM.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r2WsWs1)


5. more of like a report...I bugged the Piaggio guy (not the dealer but actual the guy who travels WITH the bike) about the tube tires & accessories...

He is still trying hard to sell me on the tube tires, but I mentioned Stelvio's rims and he was kind of quiet after that...lol...oops.. .

But as for the rest, so far there are no pricing list for the additional parts yet so stay toon...

ANYWAY, the thought of putting a deposit down is HIGH as I do want to test ride the bike to see how it feels and so far putting down a deposit seems to be the only way for me to gain a spot or the rest of the bikes will go to other owners first.

Anyway, my mini report :P...overall, the bike does look quite promising  :thumb: :thumb:

Edit: fixed a few photo placements...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 21, 2019, 07:49:24 AM
Thanks for the detailed photos.  For me this is the most interesting "adventure" bike I have come across and I have been riding as many as I can get my hands on.  I love how the paint scheme looks like a bird's beak!  LOL!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on January 21, 2019, 08:10:24 AM
Yes, thank you for photos and observations!
Have we decided whether the gas tank is plastic cover over metal
or a true metal tank or ..... ??
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 21, 2019, 10:19:39 AM
Yes, thank you for photos and observations!
Have we decided whether the gas tank is plastic cover over metal
or a true metal tank or ..... ??
I tapped on the tank, and those def are painted plastic panels.

As for actual tank, I was told it's steel but I couldn't see and feel the actual tank...*shrug*
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on January 21, 2019, 10:39:53 AM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tasdisr on January 21, 2019, 10:44:21 AM
Not sure if this has been posted, but I see the V85 is available for pre order on the Guzzi site.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 21, 2019, 11:12:23 AM
Not sure if this has been posted, but I see the V85 is available for pre order on the Guzzi site.

Saw this...was excited UNTIL I saw the fact it is NON-REFUNDABLE after 30 days...but we won't even see the bike after 120 days!... :violent1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on January 21, 2019, 12:25:27 PM
Our dealer here, MotoRichmond, says MG has confirmed delivery May/June, a red one and a gray one, but no mention of the Dakar paint. Thanks Timmy for the update. We will wait and see.
I guess this color scheme was a styling exercise?

(https://i.ibb.co/kqnZJWf/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kqnZJWf)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on January 21, 2019, 01:16:23 PM
Absolutely, positively not wanting to get into a debate here about shipping, handling, nor prep charges, just asking a question.  So what do you guys figure will be the on the road cost for the bike?  The basic is 11,999 and 12,999 with boxes and such?  Tax, prep, all that jazz, whatcha think you’re looking at in terms of out the door? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on January 21, 2019, 01:23:14 PM
There is no answer to that question.  It depends where you live, the dealer, your relationship with said dealer, etc. etc.  FWIW, I have never paid full MSRP for any bike or car I bought.  That is, the total out the door price was below the listed MSRP.  But, I live in Oregon and we do not pay sales taxes, which in some states can be significant to the overall cost.


Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 21, 2019, 01:39:34 PM
Absolutely, positively not wanting to get into a debate here about shipping, handling, nor prep charges, just asking a question.  So what do you guys figure will be the on the road cost for the bike?  The basic is 11,999 and 12,999 with boxes and such?  Tax, prep, all that jazz, whatcha think you’re looking at in terms of out the door?

Well, I was told whatever I saw in the show is 14,990 Canadian as mentioned above...can't remember if heated grip was included but it sure is wired for it.

Personally I like to have a center stand & crash guard for it...if I contributed those in with the lovely BC 12% tax & dealer prep/PDI, I am betting ~18,500 to 19,500 Canadian...but that is a guess from me...

Again, really don't know until the price list of the accessories is out...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on January 21, 2019, 01:50:32 PM
Timmy, saw your write up.  Nice pics, good observations and it fits!  My memory is that heated grips are factory standerd.

For price US, as several have said "it depends".  Around $1000 in dealer ship/prep fees.  In Washington state, I'd pay 10% for sales tax plus a few hundred per year to license it (guessing around 300).  All told probably a bit under 16k to bring home the version with the bags.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 21, 2019, 02:38:30 PM
Our dealer here, MotoRichmond, says MG has confirmed delivery May/June, a red one and a gray one, but no mention of the Dakar paint. Thanks Timmy for the update. We will wait and see.
I guess this color scheme was a styling exercise?

(https://i.ibb.co/kqnZJWf/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kqnZJWf)

Jeez, I hope so..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 21, 2019, 02:48:42 PM
Our dealer here, MotoRichmond, says MG has confirmed delivery May/June, a red one and a gray one, but no mention of the Dakar paint. Thanks Timmy for the update. We will wait and see.
I guess this color scheme was a styling exercise?

(https://i.ibb.co/kqnZJWf/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kqnZJWf)


well, with the side covers are plastic over the supposed steel tank, I start to wonder how easy would it be to mix/match color   :huh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzipete on January 21, 2019, 02:57:51 PM

 In Washington state, I'd pay 10% for sales tax plus a few hundred per year to license it (guessing around 300).  All told probably a bit under 16k to bring home the version with the bags.

Rhodan, you must live in the Seattle area. I have heard that the registration fees are quite high up there. I live in Washington also. The annual registration fee for a motorcycle where I live is $63. I opt out of all of the optional fees. One time title cost would add a few more dollars, bringing the total cost to around $100.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on January 21, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
If you do pre order you get $250 towards accessories, not much, but it better than a stick in the eye!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on January 21, 2019, 05:59:34 PM
There a at least two dealers in the California area who are taking deposits for spring delivery...check cycletrader.com
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on January 21, 2019, 06:08:56 PM
You're not the only one. 

If this new ADVbike has only 15 liters of fuel, I'll know Guzzi has jumped the shark.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

4 gallons @ 50 mpg. Safe for 180 miles.  How far we goin'?  None of my 3 bikes will do 150.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on January 21, 2019, 06:12:41 PM
There a at least two dealers in the California area who are taking deposits for spring delivery...check cycletrader.com

Guzzi just sent me an e-mail saying I could get on the delivery list. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jdgretz on January 21, 2019, 06:41:44 PM
4 gallons @ 50 mpg. Safe for 180 miles.  How far we goin'?  None of my 3 bikes will do 150.

150 miles?  That will almost get me to a Saturday lunch meet.  200 miles is normally my bottom line, well, the scooter is an exception to that, but this will not be a big mileage eater for me, so 180 is OK.

jdg
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on January 21, 2019, 06:50:04 PM
Sorry, I should have posted my pictures here
(https://i.ibb.co/wyNK5QQ/DSCN0920.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zbJw6TX/DSCN0921.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5GM52Kq/DSCN0922.jpg)
It looks as though the aluminum casting the passenger pegs are mounted on goes up and down with the swing arm
but examining the picture TimmyTheHog posted you can see it doesn't.
(https://i.ibb.co/C537xcy/DSCN0923.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Rh45mf9/DSCN0924.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/phrvDNn/DSCN0925.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Yj6GL3N/DSCN0926.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Xf1hsr/DSCN0927.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MGF4bpr/DSCN0928.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zPqsxHG/DSCN0929.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Lt87X8W/DSCN0930.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kcwKnmX/DSCN0931.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YfkTXZQ/DSCN0932.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/k1M50hG/DSCN0933.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1X7Xq9T/DSCN0935.jpg)

I'm about 5'10' and found it very comfortable unlike the Stelvio which is just too tall for me.
(https://i.ibb.co/StsMRpF/IMG-1471.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 21, 2019, 07:22:33 PM
Absolutely, positively not wanting to get into a debate here about shipping, handling, nor prep charges, just asking a question.  So what do you guys figure will be the on the road cost for the bike?  The basic is 11,999 and 12,999 with boxes and such?  Tax, prep, all that jazz, whatcha think you’re looking at in terms of out the door?

$10,000 OTD.  Or I ain't buying one.   :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on January 21, 2019, 07:27:00 PM
$10,000 OTD.  Or I ain't buying one.   :evil:

Just wait about five years.  Then there might be a well used one available for your wallet.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on January 21, 2019, 08:52:18 PM
Rhodan, you must live in the Seattle area. I have heard that the registration fees are quite high up there. I live in Washington also. The annual registration fee for a motorcycle where I live is $63. I opt out of all of the optional fees. One time title cost would add a few more dollars, bringing the total cost to around $100.

Yeah, various taxes added on; a lot of it is transit related.  With the traffic around here, I understand why it's needed though I'm not especially keen to fork it over.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on January 21, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
$10,000 OTD.  Or I ain't buying one.   :evil:

Oo tough guy!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 22, 2019, 06:56:45 AM
Just wait about five years.  Then there might be a well used one available for your wallet.

New leftover bikes, and used ones with 1000 miles or less.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on January 22, 2019, 07:09:11 AM
It is a good looking bike. The style is a little modern.. but a lot classic also..  Not as futuristic as most of the new ADV bikes.. but not retro either...its a good mix. I like it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joliet Jim on January 22, 2019, 07:34:06 AM
I like the bike and it's competitively priced, but I just think part of the problem with the industry is they are all getting too expensive. My 78 Bonnie was $1800 which would be about $6900 today. That I could afford as a young 19 year old. Most stuff is getting pretty expensive especially if you're in the north with a short riding season.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on January 22, 2019, 08:12:56 AM
I'll be heading up to the Cleveland Expo for the IBS next weekend.   I'm hoping to check out the Royal Enfield Himalayas.   I think that would be a nice inexpensive "kerplunker" to mess around with.  I'm digging all the Youtube vids of guys taking them all over.  It appears that the earlier vids are of the Himi that's a 350..  The new model is a 650.

I'm thinking they're around $5000-ish.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on January 22, 2019, 08:39:24 AM
I'll be heading up to the Cleveland Expo for the IBS next weekend.   I'm hoping to check out the Royal Enfield Himalayas.   I think that would be a nice inexpensive "kerplunker" to mess around with.  I'm digging all the Youtube vids of guys taking them all over.  It appears that the earlier vids are of the Himi that's a 350..  The new model is a 650.

I'm thinking they're around $5000-ish.

The Himalayan is a 411 cc single. https://www.cycleworld.com/royal-enfield-himalayan-adv-bike-for-new-world My friend Leo loves his.

The only 650s are twins: Interceptor and Continental GT.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on January 22, 2019, 09:26:16 AM
I like the bike and it's competitively priced, but I just think part of the problem with the industry is they are all getting too expensive. My 78 Bonnie was $1800 which would be about $6900 today. That I could afford as a young 19 year old. Most stuff is getting pretty expensive especially if you're in the north with a short riding season.

There are a ton of brand new, standard middleweight motorcycles on the market for under $7k.  The Honda 500 twins, the Suzuki SV650, Kawasaki 400 Ninja and Z400 just to name a few.  If you look at cruisers, there are dozens under 7k.  I've seen leftover Stone's for 7k.  For another thousand you start getting into bikes like the Yamaha XSR700, which is a great machine.   

There are many more great motorcycles, at a lower price than ever before.  We're in a golden age of motorcycling.  Especially when it comes to smaller displacement bikes.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 22, 2019, 11:51:09 AM
I had intended to have mine re painted. But now think to get the Ronald Mc Donald one, have the yellow replaced with Italian green and the black stripe on the tank etc. in red.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on January 22, 2019, 12:00:11 PM
I like the bike and it's competitively priced, but I just think part of the problem with the industry is they are all getting too expensive. My 78 Bonnie was $1800 which would be about $6900 today. That I could afford as a young 19 year old. Most stuff is getting pretty expensive especially if you're in the north with a short riding season.

I hear what you'er saying Joliet.  But the TT is a FAR more capable by practically any measure you can come up with.  A much more fair comparison would be to a V7III.  The v7 is still a better motorcycle by most objective measurements and the price is much closer, ($1800 today = $7145) a v7III list  starts at $8490, but we all know they can be had for far less.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on January 22, 2019, 12:57:43 PM
The Himalayan is a 411 cc single. https://www.cycleworld.com/royal-enfield-himalayan-adv-bike-for-new-world My friend Leo loves his.

The only 650s are twins: Interceptor and Continental GT.

You are correct sir!   That's a bummer...  :angry:  Looks like I'll have to wait for that to happen.

*article:

In recent reports, Siddhartha Lal, CEO of Royal Enfield, confirmed that they would not bring new bikes on the 650 Twins’ platform for the next two years. Although, he did not rule out the possibility of more 650cc models.

We all know that Royal Enfield is planning a more powerful version of its dual-purpose Himalayan. Its specially developed 411cc engine, as per public opinion, feels a bit underpowered.

Royal Enfield Himalayan ABS
So, there are chances of Royal Enfield Himalayan 650 being under development. However, we believe that the launch might happen in 2020. Our expected launch period is based on Siddhartha Lal’s statement.


Here's a single :

(https://i.ibb.co/Nnvg8m0/royal-enfield-himalayan-dakar-edition-launch-price-india-3.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 23, 2019, 07:01:13 AM
There are a ton of brand new, standard middleweight motorcycles on the market for under $7k.  The Honda 500 twins, the Suzuki SV650, Kawasaki 400 Ninja and Z400 just to name a few.  If you look at cruisers, there are dozens under 7k.  I've seen leftover Stone's for 7k.  For another thousand you start getting into bikes like the Yamaha XSR700, which is a great machine.   

There are many more great motorcycles, at a lower price than ever before.  We're in a golden age of motorcycling.  Especially when it comes to smaller displacement bikes.   

And the majority of them are assembled in Thailand or India.  The Japanese build quality is suffering some because they are so price conscious that they are cheaping out wherever they can.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on January 26, 2019, 07:11:42 AM
This is a color option that I hadn't seen before:

(https://i.ibb.co/f9qRfzW/image.png) (https://ibb.co/f9qRfzW)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on January 26, 2019, 07:53:28 AM
But.....I'm having real trouble with the non refundable deposit on an untested bike, a motor no one has even heard running (much less but on a dyno) and an Italian company that has a reputation for not meeting deadlines (the Bobber Sport was to be with dealers in December).
It's still a 'wait and see' for me. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on January 26, 2019, 08:33:38 AM
FWIW, I did see a bobber sport at my dealer last week.  I think some other people are starting to see them too.  That admittedly doesn't address your other points.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on January 26, 2019, 10:03:05 AM
So don’t pre order.   It’s not like their not going to sell you one as fast as possible.  Perhaps if preordered you might get it home a few weeks before the next guy, but I have my doubts about that.   I suspect pre order is a bit of a gimmick.   Let’s say Guzzi sends over a container of a 100tt in April. And 50 are spoken for ahead, they still need to sell the other 50 bikes!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on January 26, 2019, 10:51:21 AM
Pre-ordering gets you $250 in accessories.  If you were already going to buy one anyway that’s a nice bonus.  If you’re on the fence don’t pre-order.  If you’re not going to buy one anyway....what difference does it make.

This pre-order program is the first smart thing Guzzi’s marketing department has done in years.  They’re not going to saddle dealers with a ton of bikes that don’t sell if the bike is a flop.  The program lends an air of exclusivity to the bike which is a good thing for perception and for resale down the line.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on January 26, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
Plus one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on January 26, 2019, 01:37:05 PM
Pre-ordering gets you $250 in accessories.  If you were already going to buy one anyway that’s a nice bonus.  If you’re on the fence don’t pre-order.  If you’re not going to buy one anyway....what difference does it make.

This pre-order program is the first smart thing Guzzi’s marketing department has done in years.  They’re not going to saddle dealers with a ton of bikes that don’t sell if the bike is a flop.  The program lends an air of exclusivity to the bike which is a good thing for perception and for resale down the line.

Ya gives them a real feel for how many they will sell also..  I mean, if they get 100 presales... they odds are wont be sending out 5000 bikes... 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on January 28, 2019, 06:45:46 AM
I had intended to have mine re painted. But now think to get the Ronald Mc Donald one, have the yellow replaced with Italian green and the black stripe on the tank etc. in red.

If you are going to repaint it anyway, why not get the solid gray and save a few hundred dollars?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 28, 2019, 06:50:41 AM
Frame wrong colour
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on January 28, 2019, 04:19:11 PM
If you are going to repaint it anyway, why not get the solid gray and save a few hundred dollars?

As far as I know they’re the same price.  It’s the bags that add $1,000. to any color.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on January 28, 2019, 04:40:44 PM
As far as I know they’re the same price.  It’s the bags that add $1,000. to any color.

That is what it seems to me and concur what the salesman told me regardless of the specs of both bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tris on January 29, 2019, 08:42:17 AM
I looked at a V85 and a Himalayan back to back a while ago at the NEC bike show and the V85 is much more nicely finished but is probably going to be twice as much

I guess you pays yer money and takes yer pick
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on January 31, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
At least twice as much...  Did we decide on the final V85 price? Probably in the $14000-$15000 realm?
I believe the RE's are (supposedly) going for $5000.00.   But for me the RE would be a "solo" bike.  Well.....maybe 2up also.  The missus is game for any bike ride.   Might have to find some beefier springs though..

Anyway...  I have time to make any new bike choices.   I'm hoping that Guzzi comes out with another (roadie) variant of the V85.   I'm also hoping that Guzzi instills a bit more confidence in bike shops appearing rather than disappearing.  (not sure that's going to happen, but every so often MG gives me a glimmer).

I'll keep the Breva 1100 in the stable regardless.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on January 31, 2019, 11:02:44 AM
At least twice as much...  Did we decide on the final V85 price? Probably in the $14000-$15000 realm?
I believe the RE's are (supposedly) going for $5000.00.   But for me the RE would be a "solo" bike.  Well.....maybe 2up also.  The missus is game for any bike ride.   Might have to find some beefier springs though..

Anyway...  I have time to make any new bike choices.   I'm hoping that Guzzi comes out with another (roadie) variant of the V85.   I'm also hoping that Guzzi instills a bit more confidence in bike shops appearing rather than disappearing.  (not sure that's going to happen, but every so often MG gives me a glimmer).

I'll keep the Breva 1100 in the stable regardless.

$12900 with the bags IIRC. My buddy Leo paid right around $5k "out the door" for his Himalayan.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 31, 2019, 11:14:17 AM
$12900 with the bags IIRC. My buddy Leo paid right around $5k "out the door" for his Himalayan.

Of course many overlook "cost of ownership".  That's one reason I have yet to own a Ducati.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on February 07, 2019, 02:15:02 PM
http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/news/v85-start-of-production/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=v85-start-production&utm_content=ppl&utm_term=EN
Quote
V85 TT, available from dealers by the end of February

Photo from the prodcution (source: https://www.facebook.com/insella.it/)
https://scontent.fham3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51825976_2055568827859266_4928458311981858816_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fham3-1.fna&oh=e2fdd58e4e137c4497d20235f9ff996d&oe=5CF2C90C
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 07, 2019, 02:22:34 PM
http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/news/v85-start-of-production/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=v85-start-production&utm_content=ppl&utm_term=EN
Photo from the prodcution (source: https://www.facebook.com/insella.it/)
https://scontent.fham3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51825976_2055568827859266_4928458311981858816_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fham3-1.fna&oh=e2fdd58e4e137c4497d20235f9ff996d&oe=5CF2C90C

Oh yay!! An English Version that I don't have to use Google Translator to read it LOL... :thumb:

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 07, 2019, 02:25:44 PM
February delivery is for Europe, NA will have to wait slightly longer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on February 07, 2019, 02:26:44 PM
So which one in the photo is Luigi? :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on February 07, 2019, 02:29:33 PM
During our recent visit to NZ's capital Wellington, I called in to Scooterazzi/Motorazzi. I have gotten to know the owner on the Guzzi rallys I have been on.  He is expecting to see them in April  down here.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 07, 2019, 02:31:33 PM
You'd think someone would publish some test ride reviews since the bikes are coming out the building.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 07, 2019, 02:38:41 PM
You'd think someone would publish some test ride reviews since the bikes are coming out the building.

I am waiting for those as well...there got to be one of two 3rd party test riders beside from Guzzi's own team... :undecided:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 07, 2019, 03:08:29 PM
I am waiting for those as well...there got to be one of two 3rd party test riders beside from Guzzi's own team... :undecided:

We might have the first published test riders here on the board. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on February 07, 2019, 03:41:24 PM
Who needs road tests, just have faith it's going to be an awesome bike. But,I'm not putting down $2k to test that theory.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 07, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
You'd think someone would publish some test ride reviews since the bikes are coming out the building.

Patience Grasshopper  According to the release, production began yesterday!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 07, 2019, 05:06:52 PM
Patience Grasshopper  According to the release, production began yesterday!

Before or after the Grappa  :boozing:

February delivery is for Europe, NA will have to wait slightly longer.

It is slotted for Mid May delivery for US, Mid June for Canada...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beetle on February 07, 2019, 06:44:40 PM
First v85tt rolls off the production line...


(https://i.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/769b6f10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1196)
(https://i.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/84a5f110.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1195)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on February 07, 2019, 07:14:56 PM
I may be bias, but THAT bike is a looker !!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on February 07, 2019, 07:52:47 PM
During our recent visit to NZ's capital Wellington, I called in to Scooterazzi/Motorazzi. I have gotten to know the owner on the Guzzi rallys I have been on.  He is expecting to see them in April  down here.

I've been told early May, twelve are expected.  I'm at the top of the list!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on February 07, 2019, 07:59:38 PM
First v85tt rolls off the production line...


(https://i.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/769b6f10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1196)
(https://i.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/84a5f110.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1195)




Yup and it must have been black shirt day !!

Very cool photo...thanks for sharing!!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 07, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
I thought he was holding a pint...


(https://i.ibb.co/3sKGt86/image.png) (https://ibb.co/3sKGt86)


It's been a long day...

But yes, this is such a gorgeous bike...it def grew on me quite a bit...!


(https://i.ibb.co/vcLyKYf/image.png) (https://ibb.co/vcLyKYf)


Also the bike seems to be quite straight up...

I am truly hoping our lovely DOT will not touch the side stand as how they did with V7 and Stelvio...and caused issues with the center stand hitting... :shocked: :violent1:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on February 07, 2019, 08:49:30 PM
That is  pretty nice looking package. Do I see some Aprilia influence or am I just imagining that?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 07, 2019, 09:36:32 PM
That is  pretty nice looking package. Do I see some Aprilia influence or am I just imagining that?

I counted 50 people in the photo - last I heard that is roughly half the people who work at Mandello.  This is not a big factory with lots of departments, and it has no remaining design capability.  The small block mechanical upgrades etc would have been designed by people at Piaggio HQ in Pontedera, the chassis and bodywork very likely by Aprilia in Noale, or as a joint effort between HQ and Aprilia.

It's a great photo and a great looking bike.  I note that there is nobody that you could call greatly overweight - the Mandello lifestyle must be a good one.

 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on February 08, 2019, 12:40:15 AM
I've been told early May, twelve are expected.  I'm at the top of the list!

I'm envious Dave.  That is a nice looking all purpose bike.  Eminently suitable for NZ.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 08, 2019, 01:06:41 AM
The procedure here, is that if it arrives while I'm overseas in Europe, May or June..
My partner will go to Melbourne in my Hilux with a signed cheque, bring it home and tuck it into the storage unit 'till I get home.
Then I'll fit this...
(https://i.ibb.co/rt1s72Z/IMG-1158.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rt1s72Z)

arrange this...
(https://i.ibb.co/tBxTmhT/IMG-1148.png) (https://ibb.co/tBxTmhT)

and we're done...!
Simples... :smiley:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 08, 2019, 02:42:24 AM
Very cool pic. The guy squatting next to the front tire sporting a sweet “pencil “ stash is the plant manager.  He’s been in that position for 15 years, maybe a good deal more.

I count exactly one person with two X chromosomes! 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 08, 2019, 03:48:38 AM
I'm glad someone's happy with it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on February 08, 2019, 04:39:43 AM
That is  pretty nice looking package. Do I see some Aprilia influence or am I just imagining that?
The bike is developed entirely at Aprilia. As are parts of the engine of the V7 I - II, and the complete engine of the V7 III and the V9. And that is why it will work. By the way, the magazine "Motorrad" has ridden a prototype bike for about 300 km and they like it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on February 08, 2019, 05:26:12 AM
The bike is developed entirely at Aprilia. As are parts of the engine of the V7 I - II, and the complete engine of the V7 III and the V9. And that is why it will work. By the way, the magazine "Motorrad" has ridden a prototype bike for about 300 km and they like it.

Got a link for that?  Google translate, perhaps? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on February 08, 2019, 05:51:25 AM
Not sure if I said it on here...  But im not normally into the adventure bikes.. that being said, I think that is by far the best looking of the breed!!   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 08, 2019, 06:50:31 AM
First v85tt rolls off the production line...

(https://i.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/84a5f110.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1195)

That picture is now my desktop background. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: T4halo on February 08, 2019, 08:27:11 AM
I really think those will sell. It will be pretty cool if they actually get 65hp to the rear wheel and the engine holds up for years and years.

T4
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on February 08, 2019, 08:33:38 AM
A link to the German article:
https://www.wsc-neuss.info/app/download/11165439194/V85+TT+Fahrbericht.pdf
(It is not a test. It is more less the same report as published in the Italian magazine.)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on February 08, 2019, 08:48:41 AM
 Thats a great looking bike. I may have to have a garage sale....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on February 08, 2019, 09:30:22 AM
I wonder if you will be able to see the eagle wings coming at you in the headlight beam. Reminds me of the search light Gotham city put up to find Batman. :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 08, 2019, 10:33:35 AM
I wonder if you will be able to see the eagle wings coming at you in the headlight beam. Reminds me of the search light Gotham city put up to find Batman. :grin:

That Eagle is apparently the Daytime Running Light...

Think you can see that from the promo video they have around the net.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 08, 2019, 12:11:57 PM
Personally, I think most adventure bikes look hideous.  I think this bike is attractive. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on February 09, 2019, 04:28:31 AM
Got a link for that?  Google translate, perhaps?

Several interviews with Piaggio - and Guzzi officials in diverse of our printed magazines.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on February 09, 2019, 06:06:16 AM
This is going to be a big hit and will inject some cash back into MG to hopefully fund some more cool bikes. I was keen on this at the start but it felt like it was dragging out too much so I started to look at other bikes...this has me keen again. Cant wait to see them in the dealers..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on February 09, 2019, 06:59:22 AM
Enzo at Cadre' Cycle told a friend and I mid May. I'm looking forward to it.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on February 09, 2019, 07:49:36 AM
If Guzzi/Piaggio can nail this, then it could mean much more foot traffic for the dealers.  Not everyone who comes in will leave on a V85, but will get a good look at a Guzzi in the metal (some will buy V7s and others) which is much more impressive than on the printed page or online.  A good thing.  But, nailing it for me means having a bike that is not a beta tester for the early adopters and critically, having it to the dealers in the spring.  I don't think the track record on either of these has been very good in the past.  I don't think this matters as much with anyone who is on the forum because we are the hardcore, but if they hope to expand their base even a little, they have a lot to overcome with the rest of the riding public.  I have a good riding friend who buys a lot of bikes and has had 5 MGs over the years, the last new one in 04.  That bike was such a nightmare that he won't even consider them now.  He could possibly be won back if Piaggio can match the experience he has had with several modern Triumphs he has bought recently.  They don't have to and can't really be expected to meet Japanese standards, but much better than in the past.  My California has been nearly flawless in 10k+ miles, but they need to convince others that the bikes are that good.  Although no one has said it, in corporate HQ, they could be deciding MG's fate based on the launch of this one bike.  Here's hoping.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 09, 2019, 08:21:04 AM
If Guzzi/Piaggio can nail this, then it could mean much more foot traffic for the dealers.  Not everyone who comes in will leave on a V85, but will get a good look at a Guzzi in the metal (some will buy V7s and others) which is much more impressive than on the printed page or online.  A good thing.  But, nailing it for me means having a bike that is not a beta tester for the early adopters and critically, having it to the dealers in the spring.  I don't think the track record on either of these has been very good in the past.  I don't think this matters as much with anyone who is on the forum because we are the hardcore, but if they hope to expand their base even a little, they have a lot to overcome with the rest of the riding public.  I have a good riding friend who buys a lot of bikes and has had 5 MGs over the years, the last new one in 04.  That bike was such a nightmare that he won't even consider them now.  He could possibly be won back if Piaggio can match the experience he has had with several modern Triumphs he has bought recently.  They don't have to and can't really be expected to meet Japanese standards, but much better than in the past.  My California has been nearly flawless in 10k+ miles, but they need to convince others that the bikes are that good.  Although no one has said it, in corporate HQ, they could be deciding MG's fate based on the launch of this one bike.  Here's hoping.

Japanese bikes unfortunately aren't without their issues.  If you spend enough time on the japanese bike forums you will see what issues they are plagued with and the extra maintenance required that doesn't even show up in the service manuals. 

Plus, they cost less not because of the exchange rate or their willingness to make less profit.  They cost less because they moved production to countries with lower wages, they use budget materials and components, etc. 

People are constantly chasing down rattles, stators are going bad, fuel pumps going bad, water pumps going bad, poor lubrication of bearings from the factory, water intrusion in swingarms, crappy chain adjusters, budget suspensions. 

Just about every Japanese bike I have owned has had some kind of recall and needed some type of warranty work performed.  More so after production got moved out of Japan. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on February 09, 2019, 08:41:09 AM
Japanese bikes unfortunately aren't without their issues.  If you spend enough time on the japanese bike forums you will see what issues they are plagued with and the extra maintenance required that doesn't even show up in the service manuals. 

Plus, they cost less not because of the exchange rate or their willingness to make less profit.  They cost less because they moved production to countries with lower wages, they use budget materials and components, etc. 

People are constantly chasing down rattles, stators are going bad, fuel pumps going bad, water pumps going bad, poor lubrication of bearings from the factory, water intrusion in swingarms, crappy chain adjusters, budget suspensions. 

Just about every Japanese bike I have owned has had some kind of recall and needed some type of warranty work performed.  More so after production got moved out of Japan.


 :thumb: :thumb:

I've had my name on the pre-order list since last summer...though listening to the wisdom of those on this site and all my MC and MG friends and what I know having purchased my first bike over 45 years ago...I'm going to wait and see what happens...too many unknowns at this point and with MG intentions using the engine on subsequent models I'm looking forward to what comes while pulling my name from the pre order list. Totally love everything about the bike...but was hoping for less weight. Still very interested but being patient
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 09, 2019, 09:28:28 AM

 :thumb: :thumb:

I've had my name on the pre-order list since last summer...though listening to the wisdom of those on this site and all my MC and MG friends and what I know having purchased my first bike over 45 years ago...I'm going to wait and see what happens...too many unknowns at this point and with MG intentions using the engine on subsequent models I'm looking forward to what comes while pulling my name from the pre order list. Totally love everything about the bike...but was hoping for less weight. Still very interested but being patient

Hopefully enough people will buy this bike for Paggio to justify coming out with other models.  It is of interest to me but only if I am willing to part with what I currently have and I don't see myself doing that anytime soon.  If I were to add a dual sport back in my life it would have to be closer to 300 lbs and able to do a true 70 mph for those times when I need to jump on an interstate for a few exits to avoid a small city. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on February 09, 2019, 10:04:19 AM
2wheel:  Thanks for helping me make the point.  I am guilty of 90s thinking.  I have not had a Japanese bike in over 20 years, so I guess I was as inadvertently unaware of the fall of their reputation as most of the riding public is about the better quality of our beloved Italian machinery.  Funny how time gets away from you.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on February 09, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
If Guzzi/Piaggio can nail this, then it could mean much more foot traffic for the dealers.  Not everyone who comes in will leave on a V85, but will get a good look at a Guzzi in the metal (some will buy V7s and others) which is much more impressive than on the printed page or online.  A good thing.  But, nailing it for me means having a bike that is not a beta tester for the early adopters and critically, having it to the dealers in the spring.  I don't think the track record on either of these has been very good in the past.  I don't think this matters as much with anyone who is on the forum because we are the hardcore, but if they hope to expand their base even a little, they have a lot to overcome with the rest of the riding public.  I have a good riding friend who buys a lot of bikes and has had 5 MGs over the years, the last new one in 04.  That bike was such a nightmare that he won't even consider them now.  He could possibly be won back if Piaggio can match the experience he has had with several modern Triumphs he has bought recently.  They don't have to and can't really be expected to meet Japanese standards, but much better than in the past.  My California has been nearly flawless in 10k+ miles, but they need to convince others that the bikes are that good.  Although no one has said it, in corporate HQ, they could be deciding MG's fate based on the launch of this one bike.  Here's hoping.

I do think a lot of the issues can be done at the dealer level also.. I think you will get a much better bike out of a MG dealer that cares about the brand, then one of the shops where MG is just a filler product. Agean a lot of this comes down to a brand that WANTS to support, and build a dealer network...and we all know that beaten horse...  I come from the new car end...  so maybe i am expecting too much, but a good dealership that is happy with the product is a place to buy a new bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on February 09, 2019, 09:20:56 PM
I do think a lot of the issues can be done at the dealer level also.. I think you will get a much better bike out of a MG dealer that cares about the brand, then one of the shops where MG is just a filler product. Agean a lot of this comes down to a brand that WANTS to support, and build a dealer network...and we all know that beaten horse...  I come from the new car end...  so maybe i am expecting too much, but a good dealership that is happy with the product is a place to buy a new bike.

Thats a problem we now face in Australia, my previous local dealer was pretty good and had a definite passion for the brand. Unfortunately the national distributor changed and the new mob are one of the biggest players with their own multi franchise stores..I personally cannot stand their shops and the last one I went into just before Christmas had a few Guzzis just pushed into the corner..They are hurting the brand and they are making some good stuff..my 2015 Cali has been faultless and I would say better than any recent purchases from Japan.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 10, 2019, 12:10:44 AM
Thats a problem we now face in Australia, my previous local dealer was pretty good and had a definite passion for the brand. Unfortunately the national distributor changed and the new mob are one of the biggest players with their own multi franchise stores..I personally cannot stand their shops and the last one I went into just before Christmas had a few Guzzis just pushed into the corner..They are hurting the brand and they are making some good stuff..my 2015 Cali has been faultless and I would say better than any recent purchases from Japan.
Stevens in Melbourne ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 10, 2019, 03:24:05 AM
I just provided a bunch of parts for a crashed Cali 14 to a bike panelbeater in Canberra. The repairer ordered a couple of bits from PS. Bits ordered from me were cheaper than those from PS and arrived in two weeks since I ordered them. Still no ETA on the bits from PS.

Go figure........
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 10, 2019, 06:49:55 AM
I just provided a bunch of parts for a crashed Cali 14 to a bike panelbeater in Canberra. The repairer ordered a couple of bits from PS. Bits ordered from me were cheaper than those from PS and arrived in two weeks since I ordered them. Still no ETA on the bits from PS.

Go figure........
They just don't care..
Dunno why they even picked Guzzi up...?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on February 10, 2019, 09:19:14 AM
They just don't care..
Dunno why they even picked Guzzi up...?

The had Vespa before Piaggio brought out Aprilia/Guzzi I'd suggest it was a package deal.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 10, 2019, 09:55:59 AM
Maybe mate..
"If you clean up the turds, we'll throw the bucket in free of charge", sort of arrangement..?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 10, 2019, 11:17:09 AM
The bike is developed entirely at Aprilia. As are parts of the engine of the V7 I - II, and the complete engine of the V7 III and the V9. And that is why it will work. By the way, the magazine "Motorrad" has ridden a prototype bike for about 300 km and they like it.

I’ve never had an interest in Aprilias because in my view they make 100% Japanese style bikes, which is OK if that’s what you’re looking for, but in general I think the Japanese themselves make better Japanese style bikes.  That said, I can see this Aprilia designed chassis with a Guzzi driveline is not going to be a Japanese style bike (or BMW copy) no matter what they do, and this particular bike could end up being a fairly happy marriage if Aprilia can restrain themselves from applying too much scooter style plastic-crappola that biodegrades over time and causes annoying maintenance issues as it gets in the way and falls apart in your hands, with a replacement part 3 months out... 

Re Aprilia engines - I know a guy who was and is involved with development of Aprilia twins, and also in Guzzi driveline development because he is an old time Guzzi guy who ran a Guzzi tuning shop in a previous life.  He works for Piaggio in Pontedera, not far from where he grew up.  Piaggio plays games with their publicity material and what they tell journalists, implying Guzzis are designed in Mandello, Aprilia’s race bred engines are designed by themselves and so on.  As with most corporations, a lot of it is bending reality or outright BS.  Piaggio and its brands are in fact one company with multiple facilities, and in general multiple facilities are involved with the development of any motorcycle, sometimes including early stage design/styling work done in Pasadena - because their main concept guy bailed to California.  Some Vespas might be an exception to that ‘rule’. 

The same situation was BTW true under DeTomaso in the 70s, Benelli multis (the Japanese inspired Aprilias of their day) and Guzzis were designed by the same people and produced here and there, depending on model.  Guzzi made the engines for most of them.  The difference at that time was that Guzzi was the big dog, not the red headed step child with Aprilia somehow getting the spotlight despite never achieving the desired sales figures, just like Benelli.  Perhaps the V85TT in combination with the existing small V7/V9 small blocks can further correct that slowly changing imbalance and show Piaggio the way forward, where the Brevas etc failed to do so.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on February 10, 2019, 05:04:20 PM
Japanese bikes unfortunately aren't without their issues.  If you spend enough time on the japanese bike forums you will see what issues they are plagued with and the extra maintenance required that doesn't even show up in the service manuals. 

Plus, they cost less not because of the exchange rate or their willingness to make less profit.  They cost less because they moved production to countries with lower wages, they use budget materials and components, etc. 

People are constantly chasing down rattles, stators are going bad, fuel pumps going bad, water pumps going bad, poor lubrication of bearings from the factory, water intrusion in swingarms, crappy chain adjusters, budget suspensions. 

Just about every Japanese bike I have owned has had some kind of recall and needed some type of warranty work performed.  More so after production got moved out of Japan.



I have  owned some Japanese bikes as well for the past 45 years or so , and have found they are not perfect for sure ...just most of the time :wink: ..they as compared to other manufactures are still  superior as to maintenance cost ,performance ,  and warranty service which they require far less than any other manufacturer ..
I must have got lucky in the models i brought and had relatively  no issues other than general maintenance  ...oh wait i did have a stater go on a Yamaha RD 400 but it was replaced by Yamaha within 2 days  of failure on their dime 4 months past warranty.



 
 :boxing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on February 10, 2019, 06:53:30 PM
 I had the wiring Harness of my 88 XS650D melt down on me. I guess it was trying to hard to be a Triumph.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: MadMike on February 10, 2019, 07:36:01 PM
Placing Aprilia as the flagship brand of Piaggio is similar to the illogical decision of naming the group that encompasses Porsche, Audi, Lamborghini, and Bentley: The Volkswagen Group. Having the brand with the lowest reputation for quality and performance as the spearhead of this group is retarded.
Same deal with Aprilia. Moto Guzzi had the dual overhead cam V8, pioneered improvements in rear suspension, had and still has a freakin' wind tunnel at their disposal yet all this is sidelined to promote a brand that, lets face it, will never materialize to much more than a nameplate that won a few races at the end of the previous century.
Mikegestion: (Mike's Suggestion)
Rename the Volkswagen Group to  GOACAVT LTD (Group that Owns Awesome Cars And Volkswagen Too)
Rebadge the Tuonos to Moto Guzzi, discontinue all the other Rotax powered crap and be done with Aprilia. It has the 4th month of the year in its name and that right there is weird.
Long live Moto Guzzi 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 10, 2019, 08:18:20 PM
Aprilias haven't had Rotax engines for about 10 years, replacing the Rotax and Suzuki engines with in house Piaggio engines was job one after their acquisition.  The RSV Rotax was replaced by the V4 and smaller Piaggio V-twins.

I agree that Guzzi as a manufacturer and marque has far more intrinsic potential than any other Piaggio motorcycle, and if we live long enough we might just see it realized.  But first, Piaggio has to try every other wrong approach and fail with all them :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bmp72 on February 12, 2019, 11:50:58 AM
Here on Switzerland the V85 will be available from March-April and cost 12990 chf
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 12, 2019, 12:39:34 PM
Here on Switzerland the V85 will be available from March-April and cost 12990 chf

you guys will get it and have more than a 1000KM before I see the bike arriving in Canada LOL...

Flock it like no tomorrow and let us know!!!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on February 13, 2019, 04:54:09 AM
I guess they are beginning to roll of the line now, obviously.  Any further ride reports out there?  I haven’t seen any;  I assume Guzzi will be doing a big official launch soon for the bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidsmoke on February 13, 2019, 09:42:58 AM
I guess they are beginning to roll of the line now, obviously.  Any further ride reports out there?  I haven’t seen any;  I assume Guzzi will be doing a big official launch soon for the bike.

hows your German?

https://www.motorradonline.de/motorraeder/moto-guzzi-v85-erlkoenig-2018.983808.html
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TalbotMatra on February 13, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
From the assembly line:   :thumb:

(https://www.2wo.gr/images/Market/2019/February/moto-guzzi-v85-timi-ellada/moto-guzzi-v85tt-2.jpg)

(https://www.2wo.gr/cache/com_dpfields/gallery/2/900x600/Market/2019/February/moto-guzzi-v85-timi-ellada/moto-guzzi-v85tt-3.jpg)

(https://www.2wo.gr/cache/com_dpfields/gallery/2/900x600/Market/2019/February/moto-guzzi-v85-timi-ellada/moto-guzzi-v85tt-4.jpg)

(https://www.2wo.gr/cache/com_dpfields/gallery/2/900x600/Market/2019/February/moto-guzzi-v85-timi-ellada/moto-guzzi-v85tt-1.jpg)

Ciao
Lars
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Toecutter on February 13, 2019, 12:27:04 PM
That last pic... that's a classy looking bike. Certainly light years better than that Happy Meal Ronald McDonaldmobile toy paint job on the one I've been seeing everywhere else online.

But it's still a dad-bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 13, 2019, 01:56:56 PM
hows your German?

https://www.motorradonline.de/motorraeder/moto-guzzi-v85-erlkoenig-2018.983808.html
Was terrible until I pushed the "translate to English" button at the bottom.. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 13, 2019, 02:04:47 PM
the above is pure fantasy the 2v motor is dead !!
:popcorn:  :evil:
There were a hundred others, but no one likes a troll....(apparently)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: acguzzi on February 13, 2019, 03:46:31 PM
I like ronald mcdonald
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 13, 2019, 04:06:51 PM
How about a Beetle replica ?
(https://i.ibb.co/B2s2wWY/IMG-1164.png) (https://ibb.co/B2s2wWY)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on February 13, 2019, 08:11:32 PM
:popcorn:  :evil:
There were a hundred others, but no one likes a troll....(apparently)



Troll=someone who lives beneath the bridge (Mackinac)
l
In Michigan terms...Troll= Not from the Upper Peninsula
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 13, 2019, 08:34:26 PM
So...took a day off so I could have a personal day aka clean house and stuff...

A friend called and we ended up somehow visiting bike shop  :boozing:

Long story short, paid a refundable deposit down for V85TT...but they don't know what color will show up...it is just like a lottery!

Anyway, was told first batch of bike for that shop should arrive mid May...and around 6 people so far signed up...

Let the wait begin!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on February 14, 2019, 04:24:27 PM
Timmy, my dealer had a notice two weeks ago from MG that a grey one will arrive mid-April, and a red one in May. So it sounds like they are letting dealers know what color is being shipped.
I read the offer to state the deposit is only refundable for the first 30 days. Maybe that's changed?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 14, 2019, 04:50:23 PM
Timmy, my dealer had a notice two weeks ago from MG that a grey one will arrive mid-April, and a red one in May. So it sounds like they are letting dealers know what color is being shipped.
I read the offer to state the deposit is only refundable for the first 30 days. Maybe that's changed?

Well, I AM in Canada lol...so maybe different info to us than to the states? My dealer didn't even know about the Red/Silver one until I told them LOL...

Also, my dealer is completely ignoring the "non-refundable after 30 days" thing...My guy says that we already don't have enough Guzzi riders out there that they don't want to piss off more potential ones LOL...

On top of that, my dealer figures they can sell whatever is coming if not to the user, it will be ported to near by province with little cost...

Well, that is what my dealer tells me LOL...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 14, 2019, 06:01:40 PM
"On top of that, my dealer figures they can sell whatever is coming if not to the user, it will be ported to near by province with little cost..."

Good God, if they can sell them like hot cakes in Canada, the pot may be blowing it's lid!  I hope the factory can keep up!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 14, 2019, 06:03:26 PM
"On top of that, my dealer figures they can sell whatever is coming if not to the user, it will be ported to near by province with little cost..."

Good God, if they can sell them like hot cakes in Canada, the pot may be blowing it's lid!  I hope the factory can keep up!

LOL...well, I would hope its true tbh LOL...

but for now, I will take it with grain of salt...all I care about is I have a bike coming for me to try! LOL :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 14, 2019, 09:14:54 PM
Well here's what I'll be getting instead. It'll be a couple of months before I commit but it costs half as much as a V85, weighs 30kg+ less, has proper suspension, Luggage etc, etc. AND a modernish DOHC motor rather than a re-hashed antique dressed up as the arse end of a pantomime horse!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7884/47046420842_513822e768_z.jpg)

 :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 14, 2019, 09:17:38 PM
Well here's what I'll be getting instead. It'll be a couple of months before I commit but it costs half as much as a V85, weighs 30kg+ less, has proper suspension, Luggage etc, etc. AND a modernish DOHC motor rather than a re-hashed antique dressed up as the arse end of a pantomime horse!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7884/47046420842_513822e768_z.jpg)

 :evil:

Pete
I'm sure at least one of you will be very happy..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 14, 2019, 10:11:40 PM
Enjoy.   But I’ll bet a dime to a doughnut you’llbe Tired of it within 12 months.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Scud on February 14, 2019, 10:29:24 PM
Pete - before you commit to that SWM, you should get a ride on a Husqvarna 701 Enduro (or supermoto).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 14, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
Tried an AJP. More bike than I needed, I suspect the Husky would be more of the same but harder to work on and with a thousand fasteners to remove before you got to the engine. Probably an air filter that leaks as well! :D.

I've sold all my pre-2000 Guzzi stuff. Keeping the Cali for a chair, the Griso stays with me forever but after it's proven it's worth the Stelvio 1400 will also most likely be on the block. My Mana is also for sale but I'm not trying hard as it's probably not worth a lot, even with the super-dooper suspension and luggage.

I'd love to stick with another Guzzi but I think the V85 is a crying shame and betrayal of a once great firm. I know plenty won't agree but it's the way I feel and no amount of argument will convince me otherwise. I hope that those who buy them enjoy them immensely.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 14, 2019, 11:25:22 PM
The most promising part about the Shineray/SMW is the involvement of the ex-Cagiva, ex-BMW plant manager and a bunch of the old staff.  I admire them for putting together a deal for Chinese buyers to acquire ex-BMW/Husqvarna assets and get production going again, and I also admire Shineray for craftily buying a different 70s Italian name, an existing modern plant and hiring some pretty good local staff.  However I think the reason it's inexpensive is that it has as many Chinese sourced parts as possible: I understand the engine is basically a 2011 Husqvarna TE and the bike is assembled in the same Italian plant,  but it's otherwise built predominantly from Shineray (Chinese) sourced components, plus an off brand Chinese Fastace fork and who knows what kind of miniscule front brake that may be.  Its a 'value driven', professionally brand managed, mostly-Chinese product using an unrelated old name to invoke nostalgia.  I guess the individual can decide whether brand marketing and third world labor sold as old world Italian dirt bike nostalgia is distasteful or disingenuous to them, or just modern and pragmatic.  They can also decide whether the involvement of some knowledgeable Italians will save it from being a poor quality Chinese product or result in something more durable, that's not clear to me.

The V85TT is a totally different kind of motorcycle. The only thing it shares with the SWM is the use of 1970s/80s Italian dirt bike nostalgia as a marketing tool.  In the case of the Guzzi, it's not nearly as contrived and based on the Motorrad riding impression the bike may actually perform pretty well too, and fill a gap in the market.  I'm much more optimistic that the V85TT will accelerate Guzzi sales and reputation than with anything built since Aprilia took over.  They've seemingly hit a good original Guzzi combination that works - and people respond to that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on February 15, 2019, 01:43:52 AM
Well here's what I'll be getting instead. It'll be a couple of months before I commit but it costs half as much as a V85, weighs 30kg+ less, has proper suspension, Luggage etc, etc. AND a modernish DOHC motor rather than a re-hashed antique dressed up as the arse end of a pantomime horse!
 :evil:

Pete

Sounds like somebody who buys a Miata and complains about the fact that it is not a modern 4-seat front driven car like a Mini Cabriolet.  :azn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 15, 2019, 04:40:12 AM
Both of the previous posts sound like the sort of grumpy old men who wish it was still 1957.

Fastace have a good name in the BMX world. Presumably moving on to a *Higher* market is only OK if you aren't brown and have slitty eyes?

Sorry, these arguments are bullshit. If it's a good product why not buy it? Don't tell me you believe Piaggio wouldn't sell their Guzzi workers down the river in an instant if they thought there was a quid in it!

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on February 15, 2019, 04:59:19 AM
presumably first 20 or so v85’s have been fettled and sent to journos by now

comparo with chinese singles unlikely, twin with Italian name more a risk Benelli DOH  500
could be competition, but I see sales coming.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 15, 2019, 05:02:42 AM
As I've said frequently Martin, I wish them every success. I just think it's a turd. Some people like turds. That's fine. Racist bullsit about where the money comes from won't sway my beliefs.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on February 15, 2019, 05:25:47 AM
Oxford Advanced Learner`s Dictionary: turd (noun):

"a lump of solid waste from the bowels (e.g. dog turds)"

Well, I´m a technician. Thinking a new motorcycle is a turd without knowing it yet is not a valid argument for me. This argumentation simply says all people who like smallblocks in general and do look forward to the V85 are shit-loving idiots. Can we please stop this?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 15, 2019, 05:27:51 AM
Not what I was saying at all but carry on if it suits your narrative.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 15, 2019, 07:16:05 AM
As I've said frequently Martin, I wish them every success. I just think it's a turd. Some people like turds. That's fine. Racist bullsit about where the money comes from won't sway my beliefs.
High praise indeed Pete.
As I recall you referred to your Stelvio as a turd when you first got it.
If memory serves you said..
"It's a turd, but it's my turd.."
I don't have the report from ballistics as to whether it was your turd or not, but I guess it's safe enough to presume the rifling marks match your barrel if you say so.
I just hope you don't end up correct (again), regarding your initial appraisal of the V85... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ratguzzi on February 15, 2019, 08:01:06 AM
Well here's what I'll be getting instead. It'll be a couple of months before I commit but it costs half as much as a V85, weighs 30kg+ less, has proper suspension, Luggage etc, etc. AND a modernish DOHC motor rather than a re-hashed antique dressed up as the arse end of a pantomime horse!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7884/47046420842_513822e768_z.jpg)

 :evil:

Pete

I have put $8500 down on a Superdual X and as soon as it gets to Texas and set up, I will be doing a fly and ride to fetch it. I wanted a V85 but this is by far more offroad capable.
JB
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 15, 2019, 08:26:21 AM
I think the SWM will be fine for what it is, a budget bike designed to get Shineray going in more developed markets. My Cagiva Gran Canyon, built in the same plant and bought new and heavily discounted for $6K was a very good bike.  The Navigators were pretty good bikes too, the Suzuki engines are excellent, and a 2011 BMW-Husqvarna had a good engine too. However in time all those previous products left the market, ultimately unsuccessful.

Guzzi has a lot more potential but Piaggio has been clueless.  They were wrong with the range of BMW copies (it was a dead end) wrong with Aprilia in trying to compete directly with the Japanese (they’ve failed), and wrong with any number of other screw ups over the last 15 years.  The main thing they've got right with Guzzi during their period of ownership is the Griso, which because it was basically a redone Centauro and a unique concept that works, has street cred and built Guzzi’s reputation.  However against that backdrop of mostly bad ideas, downselecting to an improved small block indicates that they now recognize the Guzzi product is going to be more expensive than the Chinese and Indian competition over the next 15 years, and that they can’t price the bike like a BMW until they can offer the mass market status and backup of BMW.  It's very similar to what Ducati did successfully with the Monster in the 90s.  In parallel they've come with a concept that's attractive, not a direct copy of anybody else, nor of a previous Guzzi model. I think they’re finally ‘getting it’ - maybe the V85TT indicates they’ve finally learned that you have to have the confidence to be yourself if you want people to take you seriously.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 15, 2019, 08:49:33 AM
Silly me.  I thought it was just about motorcycles.
Very entertaining, gents.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on February 15, 2019, 11:18:30 AM
High praise indeed Pete.
As I recall you referred to your Stelvio as a turd when you first got it.
If memory serves you said..
"It's a turd, but it's my turd.."

Kinda reminds me of George Carlin.

"Ever notice that your shit is stuff, and other people's stuff is shit?     Move your shit out of the way so I have room for my stuff!"
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 15, 2019, 12:17:35 PM
What makes my Stelvio a turd is the abuse it's copped in its life, not its intrinsic design. Sure it's ugly but at least it's only ugly on the outside! :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on February 15, 2019, 12:59:05 PM

...Piaggio has been clueless.  They were wrong with the range of BMW copies (it was a dead end) 

In regards to the CARC bikes, I always thought it was tragic that Piaggio/Guzzi developed R1150 clones just as BMW was getting ready to release the R1200 bikes!

The Guzzi CARC bikes were well behind the curve in the intended market niche.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on February 15, 2019, 01:03:54 PM
My dealer is confused by the Piaggio strategy. He thought since Aprilia already had the Dorsoduro, they could have easily modified that bike into an Enduro Adventure years ago.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on February 15, 2019, 02:03:14 PM
The V85TT will be Guzzis biggest hit and kick off an entire new generation of bikes. The mid size Adventure bikes are the next big thing, I have had the big Adv bikes in the past and my 2005 GS was excellent but they are getting too big with too much crap on them and single cylinder bikes for touring just dont cut it..my mate had a DR 650 for a while and lots of people rave about them..it was shit..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on February 15, 2019, 02:28:57 PM
Well here's what I'll be getting instead. It'll be a couple of months before I commit but it costs half as much as a V85, weighs 30kg+ less, has proper suspension, Luggage etc, etc. AND a modernish DOHC motor rather than a re-hashed antique dressed up as the arse end of a pantomime horse!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7884/47046420842_513822e768_z.jpg)

 :evil:

Pete

That’s quite a nice looking bike, hadn’t seen that one before.
inditx
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on February 15, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
Is that SWM coming to the US?  I had never seen or heard of it.  When you posted it, I thought it was a photoshop of several different bikes (seriously).  I mean no insult to anyone who might like it, just was unaware.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: inditx on February 15, 2019, 02:36:42 PM
A quick search indicated they are going to be available in the USA.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 15, 2019, 02:44:51 PM
AF1 have a couple of models in already but the Superduals aren't arriving for a couple of months I believe.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 15, 2019, 02:51:59 PM
The V85TT will be Guzzis biggest hit and kick off an entire new generation of bikes. The mid size Adventure bikes are the next big thing, I have had the big Adv bikes in the past and my 2005 GS was excellent but they are getting too big with too much crap on them and single cylinder bikes for touring just dont cut it.

I agree.  The R80 and R100GS is where the whole thing started and much of the progression since then has been trying to do something newer, bigger and with more widgets just to keep people buying. At some point the soul of the idea gets lost... and I think they’re at that point.  The TT may therefore be the right bike at the right time.  I think the question mark has been the engines power output but the Motorrad impression seems to say it’s lived up to what was promised...  and that magazine is not particularly known for being charitable to Italian bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 15, 2019, 09:29:33 PM
Paid my deposit this morning for the full house Ronald McDonald version.
Won't turn a wheel in that livery though, will be as per the Beetle photo shop version and either polished or silver anodised rims.
New Behr or Excell at a pinch...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on February 15, 2019, 09:45:42 PM
I have had no luck with deposits.  First the $500 last March to All Season in OH - they retired.  Then $500 to Matthews in NC - then the Factory web thing caught them by surprise.  So I was at Matthews Wednesday and they talked to the rep at Piaggio.  I was supposed to put it in on the website, which Tee and I tried to do multiple times.  Error message each time, more calls to the rep, marketing, IT and still NO BUENO.  I had to leave but hope they were able to work it out and my Ronald MacDonald is on order.   :violent1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on February 15, 2019, 09:59:05 PM
So i don't care much for the V85 or this style of bike at all, but just sat on the Ronald McDonald version at the Toronto show for the hell of it.  As a short arse at 5'-7", I could easily touch the floor with both balls of my feet. 

But the seat did feel low, and i felt to be sitting in it rather than on it, with my knees up (yes they are kinda short...) with feet on the pegs.  Then the owner of my local dealer explained that the seat can be raised (3 positions?) for taller riders.  Didn't know that, and it makes sense.  He claims to have sold 7 of them already...and will put one on the dyno as soon as he can.

Nothing against it, and i hope they sell a bunch but it's not for me.  I'll be watching to see what else they do with this motor.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 15, 2019, 10:26:00 PM
Well here's what I'll be getting instead. It'll be a couple of months before I commit but it costs half as much as a V85, weighs 30kg+ less, has proper suspension, Luggage etc, etc. AND a modernish DOHC motor rather than a re-hashed antique dressed up as the arse end of a pantomime horse!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7884/47046420842_513822e768_z.jpg)

 :evil:

Pete

9 grand base price in the states for that bike. 

https://www.motomandistributing.com/swm-superdual-t

If that engine is anything like the 600cc thumper from KTM it will be a paint shaker with not smooth RPM at all.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on February 15, 2019, 11:58:01 PM
This tread is drifting away from the V85,but I own a 2011 TE630(same motor) it is a very smooth motor.It has nothing to do with the BMW 650 motor that was jammed down Huskys throat in 12 and 13. It will be more off road leaning though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on February 16, 2019, 01:41:55 AM
Paid my deposit this morning for the full house Ronald McDonald version.
Won't turn a wheel in that livery though, will be as per the Beetle photo shop version and either polished or silver anodised rims.
New Behr or Excell at a pinch...

wots the full house ? knew options had to come but only boxes or not so far
Did you get fries with it  ?

fix a price or wait till you get the otherside  ?
was very ish a couple of weeks ago
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on February 16, 2019, 02:40:23 AM
Paid my deposit this morning for the full house Ronald McDonald version.
Won't turn a wheel in that livery though, will be as per the Beetle photo shop version and either polished or silver anodised rims.
New Behr or Excell at a pinch...

What dealer are you going through?

I am in a pickle in Vic as I swore years ago after a bad experience with my MV that PS would never get one cent of my money ever again..I know as the distributor they have a finger in the pie and that grated me deep when I heard the news they were the Aust distributors for Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 16, 2019, 03:07:55 AM
What dealer are you going through?

I am in a pickle in Vic as I swore years ago after a bad experience with my MV that PS would never get one cent of my money ever again..I know as the distributor they have a finger in the pie and that grated me deep when I heard the news they were the Aust distributors for Guzzi.
They shat me over my MV Augusta F4 as well, but bugger it all.
Stevens'll have to do, but they will never get their dirty paws on it. I will take it to Pete if it needs proper work or appraisal.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on February 16, 2019, 03:39:48 AM
I'm retiring very soon, have no interest beyond watching the lies be exposed and have none of the tooling to address issues with the heavily encrypted 7SM controller.

Yeah, I can do the rude mechanicals, but so can you. Don't expect any warranty though even though I'm a qualified mechanic with forty years experience with the ticket to say it.

PS and Piaggio will hang you out to dry. I just hope they are problem free so you don't get fugued over.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 16, 2019, 06:21:14 AM
I'm retiring very soon, have no interest beyond watching the lies be exposed and have none of the tooling to address issues with the heavily encrypted 7SM controller.

Yeah, I can do the rude mechanicals, but so can you. Don't expect any warranty though even though I'm a qualified mechanic with forty years experience with the ticket to say it.

PS and Piaggio will hang you out to dry. I just hope they are problem free so you don't get fugued over.

Pete
I wouldn't reckon the warranty would be worth wiping your backside with anyway..
I'll take my chances with people I trust and that does not include anyone within sniffing distance of the Yarra River..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ratguzzi on February 16, 2019, 06:31:05 AM
AF1 have a couple of models in already but the Superduals aren't arriving for a couple of months I believe.

That is correct. That is who I am buying my X from. I was there last week and looked over the 500s. They look as well built as anything out there.
JB
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on February 16, 2019, 07:53:40 AM
I remember in the not so distant past all the trepidation over the 1400 release. Turned out to be a winning motor. I don't doubt the new 850 won't rival the 14. If piaggio can design and build a 200  h. p. v4 with all it's complexities ,with street reliability, this one should be child's play. I can't wait to get a test ride, it has the potential to be a perfect compromise for the class.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: j.r.r. on February 16, 2019, 08:30:21 AM
Yeah, just meant with the boxes and garish paint.. :azn:
(https://i.ibb.co/7Js8Qsy/IMG-1165.png) (https://ibb.co/7Js8Qsy)

(https://i.ibb.co/M7Rh3MZ/IMG-1166.png) (https://ibb.co/M7Rh3MZ)

Congratulation on your new bike! Excellent choice, V85 TT bikes look fantastic no matter which colour you choose. As far as reliability, Moto Guzzi proven in last few years that they can produce solid bikes. The line of California 1400 and V9 models are problems free and I have no reason to believe V85 TT will be different.
I was seriously considering V85 TT but... I chicken out :) Having bike like this it will be tempting to take it off-road and with my skills I will probably hurt myself on the first attempt. I'm 65 and decided to go with 2016 Eldorado to compliment my 2016 Audace. Big plus is I don't have to learn 'new bike', all controls are the same, just a bit different ergonomics.
I have no doubt you will put a lot of trouble free miles on your V85 TT and you will love every minute of your rides.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on February 16, 2019, 09:53:52 AM
I'm very optimistic. Just read the Feb issue of M/C news about the Apprillia Touono ( no i can't spell). They talk about it like it's the best bike ever built! Better than the KTM Ducati and Japanese. So yes they know how to make it right. Suspension,HP and fueling all spot on.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 16, 2019, 01:27:49 PM
Yep, we're almost there..!
Now all that's required is that they build the damn thing and float it over. I'll show my proof of purchase when there in June and will have a go on one, I think a lap of Lake Como is in order..!  :bike-037: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on February 16, 2019, 03:45:37 PM
Yeah, just meant with the boxes and garish paint.. :azn:
(https://i.ibb.co/7Js8Qsy/IMG-1165.png) (https://ibb.co/7Js8Qsy)

(https://i.ibb.co/M7Rh3MZ/IMG-1166.png) (https://ibb.co/M7Rh3MZ)


Model 850 T-5 ????
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 16, 2019, 05:04:08 PM
Model 850 T-5 ????
Dunno mate..?
He knows what it is though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on February 16, 2019, 06:00:34 PM
Still trying to unload some '80s leftovers!  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 16, 2019, 06:30:06 PM
Still trying to unload some '80s leftovers!  :grin:
That's no way to talk about my ex wife...! :thewife:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 16, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Prepare to be underwhelmed  :rolleyes:

 Dusty
Ok Dusty..
I'm strapped in......!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on February 17, 2019, 12:54:16 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/m5y6J4S/1-BD64-A9-F-58-C4-4566-BBB8-89-C655-C86937.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m5y6J4S)


The first day I got me a fuel pump
And the next day I got me an engine and a trunk
Then I got me a transmission and all the chrome
The little things I could get in my big lunchbox
Like nuts, an' bolts, and all four shocks
But the big stuff we snuck out in my buddy's mobile home.
Now, up to now my plan went all right
'Til we tried to put it all together one night
And that's when we noticed that something was definitely wrong.
The transmission was a fifty three
And the motor turned out to be a seventy three
And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone.
So we drilled it out so that it would fit
And with a little bit of help with an adapter kit
We had that engine runnin' just like a song
Now the headlight' was another sight
We had two on the left and one on the right
But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on.
The back end looked kinda funny too
But we put it together and when we got through
Well, that's when we noticed that we only had one tail-fin
About that time my wife walked out
And I could see in her eyes that she had her doubts
But she opened the door and said "Honey, take me for a spin."
So we drove up town just to get the tags
And I headed her right on down main drag
I could hear everybody laughin' for blocks around
But up there at the court house they didn't laugh
'Cause to type it up it took the whole staff
And when they got through the title weighed sixty pounds.
I got it one piece at a time
And it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is around
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on February 17, 2019, 06:55:06 PM
Yeah, just meant with the boxes and garish paint.. :azn:
(https://i.ibb.co/7Js8Qsy/IMG-1165.png) (https://ibb.co/7Js8Qsy)

(https://i.ibb.co/M7Rh3MZ/IMG-1166.png) (https://ibb.co/M7Rh3MZ)


Dude (mate), did you really just post all that personal info on the internet?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: stubbie on February 17, 2019, 07:06:54 PM
Peter Stevens just had 20 Huzo's turn up. :copcar:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: wyno on February 18, 2019, 12:51:16 AM
It's alright. I already know where he lives. I bags first ride after him. I did lend him mine after all.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 18, 2019, 02:55:45 AM
Dude (mate), did you really just post all that personal info on the internet?
I'm not worried, I reckon I'm the only bloke stupid enough to want one..
And anyway, if he's discerning enough to want a Guzzi, he must be a gentleman and thereby by definition, would not engage in cheap chicanery... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 18, 2019, 03:43:09 AM
Peter Stevens just had 20 Huzo's turn up. :copcar:
I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Peter Stevens..
Until now..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on February 18, 2019, 02:33:46 PM
9 grand base price in the states for that bike. 

https://www.motomandistributing.com/swm-superdual-t

If that engine is anything like the 600cc thumper from KTM it will be a paint shaker with not smooth RPM at all.

It’s a poor value at 9 grand.  It’s nothing but an updated Husky 630.  At 375lbs dry, it’s too heavy to be really good off-road and too light to handle riding two up.  It’s over 400lbs ready to ride.  That’s halfway between a DR650 and a KLR650.  It also has too short maintenance intervals for touring longer than weekends. 

I’ve not ridden a SYM but I have ridden the Husky and while the Superdual pricing underwhelms me....the engine is great.  Plenty of power everywhere and really smooth for a big single. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on February 18, 2019, 05:49:10 PM
Facebook has a new V85tt group. Worth joining for anyone who is waiting patiently, like me. The discussion over there is that Piaggio has returned a deposit by crediting the buyer's credit card with no explanation to the buyer or dealer. Hope it's just a glitch.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 19, 2019, 06:00:18 AM
Facebook has a new V85tt group. Worth joining for anyone who is waiting patiently, like me. The discussion over there is that Piaggio has returned a deposit by crediting the buyer's credit card with no explanation to the buyer or dealer. Hope it's just a glitch.
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I watch my wife do facebook and No Thank You!  Work uses Facebook as an example in our security training because of the potential to provide personal information to the world. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on February 21, 2019, 02:51:00 PM
An Interview with Macro Lambri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtHEMLLZ2MM

A look at the production!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtHEMLLZ2MM&feature=youtu.be&t=165
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on February 21, 2019, 04:19:32 PM
An Interview with Macro Lambri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtHEMLLZ2MM

A look at the production!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtHEMLLZ2MM&feature=youtu.be&t=165

Oh my! Finally hear the engine at the end!!!!!

Sounds like a Guzzi!  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on February 21, 2019, 04:44:57 PM
An Interview with Macro Lambri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtHEMLLZ2MM

A look at the production!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtHEMLLZ2MM&feature=youtu.be&t=165

Hey ... the first bike off the production line is missing the windshield!  Whoops. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on February 21, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
Hey ... the first bike off the production line is missing the windshield!  Whoops.

They probably leave it off for rolling road diagnostics or something similar. Just looked at the second vid the swing arm is still mounted in the back of the gearbox why did the original Baja 650 bikes fail to finish the Dakar again?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on February 22, 2019, 12:42:58 PM
Unfortunately the video was deleted but you can find some screenshots here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1812768158827254
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on February 26, 2019, 12:21:15 PM
Sound:
https://www.facebook.com/MotoriPisek/videos/vb.196801170449/665562763895896
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on February 26, 2019, 02:25:35 PM
Loud tappets save lives.... :undecided: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on February 26, 2019, 04:49:51 PM
The video was officially released by Moto.it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjud2-k4xXE
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: john fish on February 26, 2019, 06:24:30 PM
Needs a WindJammer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: canuck750 on February 26, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
Most important motorcycles of 2019 - guess who is first in this article


http://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/autosmotorcycles/the-most-important-new-motorcycles-of-2019/ss-BBU3WTE?li=AAggFp5&ocid=iehp#image=2
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on February 26, 2019, 09:16:50 PM
I believe this bike and the RE Himalayan have the potential to do very well...I'm 66 now and I know the Norge will someday become a handful for an old man...I'll never get rid of her, but she may get a younger, sleeker sister... :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on February 27, 2019, 05:37:22 AM
I believe this bike and the RE Himalayan have the potential to do very well...I'm 66 now and I know the Norge will someday become a handful for an old man...I'll never get rid of her, but she may get a younger, sleeker sister... :laugh:

The Himal is just too underpowered for this market (States).  I suspect they will offer a 650 (new engine) version and then things will pick up for them in these parts.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on February 28, 2019, 03:14:24 AM
first samples delivered to the dealers.
https://www.moto.it/moto-usate/moto-guzzi/v85-tt/v85-tt-2019/7593670
https://www.instagram.com/p/BuW2L5mnaMs/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1rt2etdxg3dw5 (video too)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on February 28, 2019, 05:06:15 PM
We need to get a V85 to AF1.  Those guys would love to tear into one!

Aren't they dealers?  They'll have one before you can get one! 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 01, 2019, 01:48:34 AM
Aren't they dealers?  They'll have one before you can get one!

Do you envisage having the V85 in your fleet Dave?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on March 01, 2019, 08:17:14 AM
Intrested in a review no press bikes yet?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on March 01, 2019, 02:35:00 PM
Do you envisage having the V85 in your fleet Dave?

Yes.  But not on day one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on March 01, 2019, 04:22:18 PM
Here's a great video of the V85 production.  The last half is narrated by The Man, Nello Mariotti, Production Manager for Moto Guzzi. 

Nello gave us a tour of the factory when I made my trip back in 2014.  He was fluent in english and I was able to get him aside for an extended talk about a future competitively-power dual sport bike.  He told me then that something was in the works but things took a long time to happen around there.  I think the V85 is what he had in mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjud2-k4xXE

(https://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/leafman60/Europe%202014/IMG_2411.jpg) (https://s1213.photobucket.com/user/leafman60/media/Europe%202014/IMG_2411.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joliet Jim on March 01, 2019, 06:26:33 PM
very cool thanks for the share
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 01, 2019, 07:50:51 PM
I've spent this morning poring over the service manual and parts diagrams/lists. Still not seeing anything magical.

It's even more obvious than with the V9 that a 4V version is in the pipes though. Either that or there are deliberate redundancies in the top end castings which would make precisely zero sense.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 01, 2019, 08:22:39 PM
I've spent this morning poring over the service manual and parts diagrams/lists. Still not seeing anything magical.

It's even more obvious than with the V9 that a 4V version is in the pipes though. Either that or there are deliberate redundancies in the top end castings which would make precisely zero sense.

Pete

Which would continue the trend of a ‘Ducati 1986-1988’ redux...  i.e making the small engine into the main feature that spans the whole range, with significant bottom end parts commonality, while ending production of the formerly range leading (but more expensive) big block engine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 01, 2019, 09:53:13 PM
Oh I think that the big block will be killed soon enough. E5 makes it very, very hard to be compliant.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on March 03, 2019, 05:23:38 PM
Just before the weekend the first shops have them gotten delivered in Europe. Maybe next week I see if I can try one.

There are a number of accessories available. Not only the alu case set but a plastic set too.
Ohlins rear, 3 comfort seats in low, normal, high height. Centerstand, Muffler. Engine guards. LED foglights. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 03, 2019, 08:12:04 PM
Just before the weekend the first shops have them gotten delivered in Europe. Maybe next week I see if I can try one.

There are a number of accessories available. Not only the alu case set but a plastic set too.
Ohlins rear, 3 comfort seats in low, normal, high height. Centerstand, Muffler. Engine guards. LED foglights.
Centrestand you say...?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: wyno on March 04, 2019, 12:22:07 AM
That'll make it easy to change the tyres Pete.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 04, 2019, 12:34:36 AM
That'll make it easy to change the tyres Pete.
Yes mate.
No Shinko's though
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on March 04, 2019, 03:55:32 PM
Here are some more pictures of the V85 in real life.

https://www.jestpic.com/V85TT/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 04, 2019, 06:00:54 PM
Interesting that they should call the rocker carrier a 'Cam tower' and there are no signs that a central plug is going to be used in the near future, no siree!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7879/46560437234_f4ea297ba0_z.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alanp on March 04, 2019, 09:24:42 PM
Here are some more pictures of the V85 in real life.

https://www.jestpic.com/V85TT/

The 14th picture (or 5th picture down in center column), behind the V85, there is a silver cafe style bike red valve covers.

What is that?!

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 05, 2019, 12:41:05 AM
Interesting that they should call the rocker carrier a 'Cam tower' and there are no signs that a central plug is going to be used in the near future, no siree!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7879/46560437234_f4ea297ba0_z.jpg)
I know there'll be a reason Pete, but why does the lack of central plug and therefore 4V heads, play such a significant part in the desireability of the package in your opinion ?
If the bike is used off road as much a it's design brief suggests it should, is the lack of extra performance that I see 8valves provides, going to impact it's sales ?
I've seen your words suggesting that future incarnations of this donk will struggle to meet emission laws and still produce acceptable levels of power to slug it out against it's competitors unless it moves into 8V technology, as in 4V vs 8V in the big blocks.
Am I reading you anywhere near correctly ?
I am interested to know why you are less than enamoured, although I've already paid up..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 05, 2019, 03:11:38 AM
The 14th picture (or 5th picture down in center column), behind the V85, there is a silver cafe style bike red valve covers.

What is that?!

I'm unsure which particular photo you're talking about.  The 5th row centre or 14th photos show no bikes at all in the background. Of those pictures that do have a couple of slightly 'unusual' companions in the background, one seems to be an Aprilia of some sort.  Sorry don't know which one it is.  They all look the same to me.  This is from an RSV1000R owner!  The other odd companion (from the Czech republic) seems to be one of those interminable V75 variants with what appears to be a 'wingless' Stucchi-type bikini.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 05, 2019, 03:45:36 AM
I know there'll be a reason Pete, but why does the lack of central plug and therefore 4V heads, play such a significant part in the desireability of the package in your opinion ?
If the bike is used off road as much a it's design brief suggests it should, is the lack of extra performance that I see 8valves provides, going to impact it's sales ?
I've seen your words suggesting that future incarnations of this donk will struggle to meet emission laws and still produce acceptable levels of power to slug it out against it's competitors unless it moves into 8V technology, as in 4V vs 8V in the big blocks.
Am I reading you anywhere near correctly ?
I am interested to know why you are less than enamoured, although I've already paid up..

I'll answer that by PM I think.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dean Rose on March 05, 2019, 03:42:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjud2-k4xXE
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on March 05, 2019, 05:59:43 PM
Pete, the central plug part is the same as on the v9 is used. But did you see that there are roller tappets used like in the 8v engines? Rocker arms are the same as in the v9.

 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 05, 2019, 06:30:43 PM
Yeah, I knew about the V9 heads and rocker carrier, I was just re-mentioning it. They'd been banging on about roller tappets in some of their promotional blurb so it was good to have it confirmed by the parts list.

Parts #15 for those unfamiliar.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7874/47241784042_d0fa717f85_z.jpg)

Given all the talk of how using a TI inlet valve reduces mass sufficiently to enable whacky opening cam profiles giving greater VE it would seem counterintuitive to then use a much heavier roller tappet. Since we are unlikely to get a decent explanation it's all pretty much immaterial though.

Pete

PS. I see the buggers have changed the diagnostic plug as well. Damn their rotten eyes! :D
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 05, 2019, 09:00:09 PM

Given all the talk of how using a TI inlet valve reduces mass sufficiently to enable whacky opening cam profiles giving greater VE it would seem counterintuitive to then use a much heavier roller tappet. Since we are unlikely to get a decent explanation it's all pretty much immaterial though.

Pete
 

But Pete, the roller lifters are part of what allows the wacky cam profiles.  Maybe they're heavier than solid, I don't know, but they do follow and stay on the cam better.  Roller lifters and roller rockers have been SOP in American pushrod V8 race engines for decades.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 05, 2019, 10:24:03 PM
I think the industry wide move to roller cam followers in everything from production V8s to Guzzis to Lycoming aircraft engines is a valid response to durability problems caused by more demanding cam profiles, corrosion concerns and less zinc in current oil. Roller cam followers are better.

Valve weight is particularly important because valves accelerate more than cam followers given rocker ratios of 1.2 or whatever.  F = MA

Reports from the Sardegna press event seem to indicate reasonable performance from the V85TT engine, more than the earlier versions, but I’ll be interested to see the first independent dyno tests to confirm rider impressions.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 05, 2019, 11:53:03 PM
https://www.promotor.nl/video/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-2019-eerste-test-vlog/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on March 06, 2019, 06:51:33 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/PDBkjzC/Screen-Shot-2019-03-06-at-5-50-43-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/PDBkjzC)


 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :cool: :smiley:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Unkept on March 06, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUPOGgxGO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUPOGgxGO8)

Pretty nice video, of actual riding without annoying music over top. :)

He even takes it on some dirt which is nice.

Sounds good even with the stock exhaust in my opinion. Looks like it has more power...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on March 06, 2019, 08:19:01 AM
That looks and sounds fantastic. I want one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 06, 2019, 08:52:50 AM
The 14th picture (or 5th picture down in center column), behind the V85, there is a silver cafe style bike red valve covers.

What is that?!

I'm unsure which particular photo you're talking about.  The 5th row centre or 14th photos show no bikes at all in the background. Of those pictures that do have a couple of slightly 'unusual' companions in the background, one seems to be an Aprilia of some sort.  Sorry don't know which one it is.  They all look the same to me.  This is from an RSV1000R owner!  The other odd companion (from the Czech republic) seems to be one of those interminable V75 variants with what appears to be a 'wingless' Stucchi-type bikini.

Looks like a dolled-up V7/9 Racer:

(https://scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/a0f7f712de277d93318ccd68b8a6c9c8/5D1A68FA/t51.2885-15/e35/53156522_566694097162027_7085286502172831243_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 06, 2019, 11:11:23 AM
That looks and sounds fantastic. I want one.

You can have everything you seek
for a dollar down and a dollar a week.
 :smiley:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on March 06, 2019, 12:58:35 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/PDBkjzC/Screen-Shot-2019-03-06-at-5-50-43-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/PDBkjzC)



I used to catch birds that way when I was a kid - Nice Bait
(https://i.ibb.co/4dTHrtP/Guzzi-Trap.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 06, 2019, 01:09:34 PM
Nice one Roy. :thumb: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rhodan on March 06, 2019, 02:06:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUPOGgxGO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUPOGgxGO8)

Pretty nice video, of actual riding without annoying music over top. :)

He even takes it on some dirt which is nice.

Sounds good even with the stock exhaust in my opinion. Looks like it has more power...

Nice video!  Thanks for sharing it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 06, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
That looks and sounds fantastic. I want one.
I don't want ONE....!
I want MINE...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 07, 2019, 06:27:02 AM
The more I see of those quad-colour "hey look at me" lurid yellow ones the more I despise that particular colourway.  The "tricoleur" red/black/white one, whilst less overexposed, is little better.  Maybe I'm getting old, but those sort of lurid, try-hard paint jobs are better suited to a learner bike from east asia rather than a hand-made Italian original.  Tacky, tasteless & trying just a little to hard to be 'young', 'appealing' or maybe 'relevant' & failing to such a degree that it becomes a little comical.  Today's true arbiters of taste (teens)are able to identify these sort of wannabe fails from miles off.

The steel blue is pretty boring by contrast, & the red/black one is pretty, but in a way that may very well date a bit too fast.  When middle-aged red bikes get on a bit they tend to look a bit naff in my opinion.  Red is more a sporting bike colour.  The V85 is the very antithesis of sporting I suspect.  Just a slow old-school allroad tourer rather than a sportster.  I think it's best to leave red for the inevitable Le Mans "replica" that's inevitably coming (hopefully with multivalve heads & other sporting pretensions hat may actually make it actually worthy of the name) next year rather than their dirt road tractor....

Which brings me towards the previously dismissed Silver/Grey/Black colourway.  I'd initially labelled this boring as hell, but it's growing on me.   Conservative, understated but unmistakeably classy.  The ideal dovetailed fit to the bike sporting this particular colour combination.  To me, it encompasses the very spirit of the bike better than any other 4 alternatives.

Guzzi must be careful not to parody itself too much.  The ongoing OEM 'custom' market may be temporarily 'en vogue', but fashion is fickle;  today's hero all-too-quickly becomes tomorrow's embarrassment.  I can already see it happening with the unfortunately named "Racer" variant, that is becoming a bit of a running joke in some circles.  Guzzi makes classics better than just about any other manufacturer still around, but must guard against becoming a manufacturer of machines that overtly display style over substance.

Does anybody remember the then state of the art, ultra-chic Triumph X75 Hurricane,  Ducati Paso, or the K1 BMW?  Didn't think so.  I rest my case.  The concept of 'factory custom' is probably best treated as oxymoronic..  They tend to go together like oil & water.

Guzzi's are eminently customisable.  One of the company's main appeals (to me anyway).  But a 'custom' is supposedly, if not truly a 'one-off' then certainly extremely rare.  Not the cloned lazy cashed-up hipster's answer to being a me-too wannabe, parked in identical ranks down at the local overpriced coffee boutique.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 07, 2019, 06:50:29 AM
Oh...
Ok then.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 07, 2019, 08:26:54 AM
Hmm, interesting take on arguably the most anticipated Guzzi in several years.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 07, 2019, 09:18:29 AM
Paint is subjective.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 07, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
I rather like the "yellow" ones - they stand out in a sea of boring and pay homage to Guzzi Dakar racebike.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53230839_2829916613715935_5577821869232357376_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeHTJUCmbe6pjdKu0-LRuNE6yu3tb0QBVWmJIInPK6x_MdsIJNmSLoZp3F7tx2SL43PzkIXwFwLxangAmPq_8MHHotyHmHXo2wW32AanKAlNgw&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=9c1c34715a025193b9e728a83e709f1a&oe=5D21DBD5)

(http://morini.com.au/baja/torri2.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 07, 2019, 09:39:44 AM
I rather like the "yellow" ones - they stand out in a sea of boring and pay homage to Guzzi Dakar racebike.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53230839_2829916613715935_5577821869232357376_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeHTJUCmbe6pjdKu0-LRuNE6yu3tb0QBVWmJIInPK6x_MdsIJNmSLoZp3F7tx2SL43PzkIXwFwLxangAmPq_8MHHotyHmHXo2wW32AanKAlNgw&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=9c1c34715a025193b9e728a83e709f1a&oe=5D21DBD5)

(http://morini.com.au/baja/torri2.jpg)
Did you ask before you sat on "my bike.." :whip2: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 07, 2019, 10:10:03 AM
Hmm, interesting take on arguably the most anticipated Guzzi in several years.

I'm sure they will have a color for everybody.  I like the solid red because it reminds me of an early R100GS.  I'm not a fan of retro anything so despite liking the 1980s yellow/red scheme I'm not sure I could buy one that color.  Maybe.  The less directly retro Red and White also looks OK to me.

The V85TT strikes me as the most anticipated Guzzi since the 1100 EV and the original Daytona.  I'll be interested to read the first road tests and see how that affects demand.  I have a feeling the bike is in actuality what a lot of people have been looking for. More and bigger and more complex is wearing thin for many and the current BMWs are a joke in that regard.

I'm also looking forward to seeing the taller seat opinions and learning if the centerstand option is actually going to be manufactured and available. Loading and unloading saddlebags on a side stand doesn't work well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on March 07, 2019, 10:11:22 AM
I'm willing to bet the Ronald McDonald colour scheme will prove the most popular by far, who wants boring mono-colours, its my preference  :thumb:.
I don't think much of the luggage though
(https://i.ibb.co/StsMRpF/IMG-1471.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on March 07, 2019, 10:39:30 AM
A Russo Kalahari please
(https://i.ibb.co/6nHs6CB/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nHs6CB)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on March 07, 2019, 11:22:43 AM

Are there any more pictures of the Rosso Kalahari other than the one above and a side shot with bags and trunk.  I'd like to see one from the side without the bags & trunk.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: SteveRivet on March 07, 2019, 11:32:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUPOGgxGO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUPOGgxGO8)

Pretty nice video, of actual riding without annoying music over top. :)

He even takes it on some dirt which is nice.

Sounds good even with the stock exhaust in my opinion. Looks like it has more power...

Good video and review.  The guy has 13,000 views and it's only been up a day or so.  Machine looks like it could be all Guzzi's hoping it could be.  I'm a fan.

Steve
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on March 07, 2019, 12:36:12 PM
Nice video.Makes the TT look like good.It gives you the impression that he's really booking,till you look at the speedo.The fastest he went was 60ish MPH. Like to see where the TT runs out of breath.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 07, 2019, 01:46:42 PM
A Russo Kalahari please
(https://i.ibb.co/6nHs6CB/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nHs6CB)


Personally, I think this is the better looking bike than the yellow but too each their own.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on March 07, 2019, 01:57:22 PM
Are there any more pictures of the Rosso Kalahari other than the one above and a side shot with bags and trunk.  I'd like to see one from the side without the bags & trunk.

 All stock pictures from guzzi:
http://press.piaggiogroup.com/en_EN/post/show/158561/moto-guzzi-v85-tt.html#lg=1&slide=34
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 07, 2019, 05:24:59 PM
Personally, I think this is the better looking bike than the yellow but too each their own.

Using 'just' 3 colours is better than 4 I agree.  Red almost always looks good on bikes.  But to me the entire effect is kind of spoilt by having those bright red little subframes each side of the headlight assembly.

What the hell are they for anyway:  i.e. what actual, fruitful, practical, useful purpose do they serve?  Apart from mounting the indicators to.  Indicators could've been put anywhere:  bar ends, mirrors, hand guards, or on their own stalks elsewhere.  The rear subframe is a beautiful engineering statement of triangulation forming a conveniently placed combi luggage rack & grab rail.  Small, light but presumably strong, and made in the best, most resilient & flexible rather than rigid steel but with rigidity engineered in through a succession of triangulated perimeter welds.

So what are those brighter than bright red, complex, compound curved and welded, expensive to manufacture tiny subframes at the front actually for, other than to stick out like dog's nuts & look purposefully but uselessly 'rugged' or something?  Is that it?  Merely to convey a message of tough, rugged purposefulness without actually performing any concrete function whatsoever?  It's not a headlight mount is it?  A headlight guard?  Is it some sort of mid 80s retro Paris-Dakar wannabe design cue?  I just don't get it.  Does anybody know or for that matter actually care?
 
At least in the plain colour steel blue & silver grey variants the framework, including those dubious little mini-frames, are toned down in colour to a less in-your-face darker shade of grey/black.  Rather than an assemblage of brightly coloured, contrasting components the 2 darker colours project more of an integrated, unified whole.  I think this is down to the lower contrast in framework & plastics to the rest of the more mechanical components.
 
I like the bike.  It's personally the most likeable bike that Guzzi have made since the demise of the LeMans III.  I dig Guzzi's singular, purposeful focus on their 70s & 80s machines.  I hate the addition, ex factory, of useless frippery & embellishment.  Detracting as it does from a bikes' purity of purpose.

I love a good custom too.  But a true custom, individually hand-made & reflective of the owner/makers' philosophy.  An owner modifies, adds & subtracts according to taste & needs, not usually 'just because they can'.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on March 07, 2019, 07:44:19 PM
It looks to me like the head light mounting frame has changed from the early pictures which were mounted to the top of the fork.   Later ones are bolted in from the sides and not seemingly directly attached to the top of the fork - a less expensive production change?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 07, 2019, 08:02:30 PM
OK.  Exploring further it seems that this mini subframe also serves duty as a headlamp assembly & screen mounting bracket.  So I guess it's pretty essential.  Sorry Piaggio!

I'm still a bit put-out about the contrasty red coloured ones 'though.  To me, it creates a discordant harmonic imbalance.  The darker coloured frames allow this frame/bracket to more harmoniously blend in to my admittedly jaded aesthetic eye.

Just goes to show that even in a bike as lovely (in an ugly-but-beautiful English Bull Terrier sort of way) as this one undoubtedly is, you just can't please all the people all of the time.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 08, 2019, 05:57:54 AM
you have to see it in person to really know.  the red may stand out more in a flash picture.  if you don't like it, you can buy some wrap (like they use on cars now) and cover those in a professional looking way without expensive disassembly and paint work.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 08, 2019, 06:53:29 AM
The bike appears to be much like a Buell in that the painted items are small and there aren’t that many of them.  Perhaps those who have now seen the bike could comment, but the fuel tank appears to an unpainted black plastic unit with painted plastic trim panels attached to the sides.  I’m not a fan of plastic fuel tanks but that is the way to do one, if you must: the plastics that cannot be painted are more fuel resistant and the trim panels can be easily removed, painted or replaced for a color change, possibly leaving the tank undisturbed if the design is done well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 08, 2019, 07:40:29 AM
I rather like the "yellow" ones - they stand out in a sea of boring and pay homage to Guzzi Dakar racebike.

Yes.  Me, too.   :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: SteveRivet on March 08, 2019, 08:04:17 AM
I rather like the "yellow" ones - they stand out in a sea of boring and pay homage to Guzzi Dakar racebike.


Me too.  As a Steeler fan, it would match half my wardrobe just fine as well.

Steve
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 08, 2019, 10:26:45 AM
So rear shock is Sachs (adjustable spring preload & rebound), or optional Ohlins.

Who makes the fork (adjustable spring preload & rebound)? 

So no compression adjustments stock front or rear (from what I could find with google searching).

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on March 08, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
I rather like the "yellow" ones - they stand out in a sea of boring and pay homage to Guzzi Dakar racebike.


I agree, I think it looks really good and the more I see of it the better I like the looks. To each their own.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on March 08, 2019, 12:24:58 PM
Front hydraulic telescopic fork diam. 41 mm (1.61 in)
Stroke 168 mm (6.61 in)

 They look like marzocchi, I don't know if they produce again.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on March 08, 2019, 12:31:05 PM
The more I look closely at the pictures, the more little design things I am finding that seem to have a good practical value. I being more impressed with it the more I learn. Can't wait to see one in person.

I'm very happy with what I see of Guzzi's efforts and wish this bike much success.   :bow:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 08, 2019, 06:29:33 PM
Front hydraulic telescopic fork diam. 41 mm (1.61 in)
Stroke 168 mm (6.61 in)

 They look like marzocchi, I don't know if they produce again.

Kayaba.  Guzzi have been using this gear for some time now (V7 shocks).  It's cheap as.... which keeps prices down & profits up.  According to Motorrad, the rear cartspring's a Kayaba too.

At Euro 1200 that accessory Arrow can is a bit steep!  Ridiculous.  I think I'll wait to see what what Agostini or Mistral come up with.

Th original looks pretty good anyway.  There's allen screws on the rear, so maybe you can either core the baffles or perhaps just lighten the standard can a bit.

It makes that aftermarket Ohlins damper a positive bargain at not much over 800!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: zedXmick on March 08, 2019, 07:07:27 PM


(https://scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/a0f7f712de277d93318ccd68b8a6c9c8/5D1A68FA/t51.2885-15/e35/53156522_566694097162027_7085286502172831243_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com)

I like the yellow....that’s a fine looking machine!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on March 09, 2019, 04:31:08 PM
Kayaba.  Guzzi have been using this gear for some time now (V7 shocks).  It's cheap as.... which keeps prices down & profits up.  According to Motorrad, the rear cartspring's a Kayaba too.

At Euro 1200 that accessory Arrow can is a bit steep!  Ridiculous.  I think I'll wait to see what what Agostini or Mistral come up with.

Th original looks pretty good anyway.  There's allen screws on the rear, so maybe you can either core the baffles or perhaps just lighten the standard can a bit.

It makes that aftermarket Ohlins damper a positive bargain at not much over 800!

 Yes I suppose it's Kayaba. The öhlins would be first thing on my list. Any accessory can is useless. Spend the money on other things.
The local dealer got one in yesterday, so today I sat on it. Demo won't be long from now.
Things are on the right place, the legs fit good in the tank, with my 1m90 lenght. And it feels lightweight compared to the Stelvio I'm used to.

Lots of reviews coming now like:

https://www.motociclismo.it/test-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-2019-come-va-pregi-difetti-motociclismo-72204
http://www.inmoto.it/news/test/primo-contatto/2019/03/06-1990876/test_moto_guzzi_v85_tt_sottoesame/

https://youtu.be/Xo7HWQuSCxY
https://youtu.be/abUPOGgxGO8
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 09, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
Yes I suppose it's Kayaba. The öhlins would be first thing on my list. Any accessory can is useless. Spend the money on other things.
The local dealer got one in yesterday, so today I sat on it. Demo won't be long from now.
Things are on the right place, the legs fit good in the tank, with my 1m90 lenght. And it feels lightweight compared to the Stelvio I'm used to.

Lots of reviews coming now like:

https://www.motociclismo.it/test-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-2019-come-va-pregi-difetti-motociclismo-72204
http://www.inmoto.it/news/test/primo-contatto/2019/03/06-1990876/test_moto_guzzi_v85_tt_sottoesame/



https://youtu.be/Xo7HWQuSCxY
https://youtu.be/abUPOGgxGO8

As a Stelvio pilot, you must notice quite a diff. in size, weight & I'm guessing (when you get to test one) handling.  The Stelvio seems better built than the new one.  By which I mean better finish, better quality (more expensive?) components.  Is that valid?

The V85 has some quality gear,  too.  I particularly like the switchgear, USB outlets on the 'dash' & under the seat.  But some of it seems really cheap 'n' nasty:  the bash plate LOOKS pretty cheesy, & those header pipe guards screwed to lugs on the exhaust are an invitation to rattle & buzz.  Some people have complained about the lack of linkages to both the swingarm & rear shock.  What were your first impressions?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 09, 2019, 06:29:02 PM
This dude seems to be the first to really give the bike a bit of a workout.  Tellingly, he came away impressed.  He also spoke to some (one??) of the designers/engineers, asking why use cheaper components (Kayaba fork & shocks, el cheapo tubed rims etc.).  The reply was "cost".  Makes sense really. 

If you want premium-priced components, then spend 50% more on a KTM or BMW.  As it is, here's an all-but indigenous Italian bike with 90%+ of components made in or around Lombardy!  At a pretty damn good price.

The reviewer likes the price/performance, engine capability & comfort (sounds like a worthy successor to the Stelvio, minus a few grand & 50 odd Kg), but doesn't like the budget tubed wheels nor the poor standard 'screen coverage.  Something to consider when ticking the options list.  He said (I think, I'm not Italian) that he doesn't mind the cjheap Kayaba suspension.  Occupying this type of 'middle ground' (price, performance, size, weight) in the market place makes the V85 pretty unique.  I think they've got an absolute hit on their hands.  This bike's a bloody pearler.

Another point of interest; well, to me anyway, is the fact that a few reviewers have now stated that the petrol tank is actually 23l, not 21 as previously stated.  Good for a safe 450km or so.  Yes please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7HWQuSCxY
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 09, 2019, 09:59:32 PM


If you want premium-priced components, then spend 50% more on a KTM or BMW.  As it is, here's an all-but indigenous Italian bike with 90%+ of components made in or around Lombardy!  At a pretty damn good price.



Suspension components are easy to upgrade.  Seats, Windshields, wheels can be replaced. 

Buy a KTM and fry your nuts and still need a different seat.  Buy a BMW and you will still have parts to replace and be way more broke than buying the V85. 

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 10, 2019, 12:07:05 AM
The equivalent BMW (850 Adventure) isn't just epensive either.  It's heavy too. Only just shy of the big lard-arsed R1250 Adventure.  I've looked long & hard at this bike.  It has the same (well, similar I suppose) motor to my Husky (900cc P twin) which in the Nuda at least makes the bike a bit of a gem.  slim, light, responsive & making great noises.

Yet BMW, in transplanting this (Rotax-made) motor into a GS bike, have given it a charisma bypass.  It's boring.  Tragically, mind-numbingly, yawn-inducingly, irreversibly tedious.   No Guzzi ever made in the last 50 odd years - at least none that I've ever encountered - could ever be described as boring.  There's just so much character intrinsic in a longitudinal vee layout.  Even the baby V35s will put a grin on your dial:  reversing an Ercole out of a tight park will make you laugh out loud - in a good way.  Anyway, chains suck for touring.

KTM make great dirt bikes.  I had one (also Rotax-engined) in the mid 80s.  It was a beast, but no way suited for long-range touring.  Sometimes, the bitch just wouldn't start.  At all, for hours at a time.  Then, all of a sudden, when your leg was buggered & you felt tempted to make a bonfire out of the bloody thing..... vroom!   I learned to always shut it down on steep/ish hills.  They still don't seem to be suited to touring in the long, slow, lazy, worry-free way just about any non clipon or rearset equipped Guzzi can.

I've toured a few bikes intermittently across 3 continents over the past 40 years.  I was a late starter on 2 wheels.  But I know what I like, & I'm now getting pretty sure that I know what works best in a variety of conditions & scenarios.  The only real downside to using this particular marque as a remote area tourer is tha lack of dealer representation for parts & repairs.  The world has shrunk astonishingly over my lifetime.  No single part could realistically be much more than a week or 2 away (within reason) from order to express delivery.  With such a 'simple', 'crude' & 'primitive' bike (all in a good way) there's little to fail that a modicum of expertise & common sense can't fix.  OK, I'm crap at auto-electrics, but there's at least one practitioner in most towns the world over.  Europe still has dozens of Guzzi mechanics in just about every country, if not major town & city.

The only simpler bike still universally available is Suzuki's timeless DR 650, which is much more dirt-oriented & a size too small I believe for true long-range, long-term touring.

The V85 is pretty damn near to the perfect embodiment of what I imagine a long-range, allroad touring bike should be.  Just a few key essential additions, covered under the maker's guarantee, a minimum of personal mods (those leaky tubed rims need sealing & the innertubes & valves ditched, for one) & maybe a simpler, collector-free crossover piped exhaust & cored standard muffler & the world's your oyster.  I get a dream-bike that will see me doing what I love for the next (probably my final) twenty years, for around about 2/3 the price of those boring, woefully overrated Teutonic dreadnoughts.  Realistically, what's not to like?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 10, 2019, 03:37:47 AM
Just wondering? How much is the Piaggio marketing department paying you? :evil:

In jest.

I hope.

Sorry, I see so many disappointments in the V85 it isn't even remotely on my radar.

If it had a sad, lacklustre engine but everything else about it, (Suspension, brakes etc.) was wonderful I could see the merit. Also if it had a great engine but corners had been cut elsewhere? Yeah, I could see that too.

As it is I see a 'built to a budget' uninspiring machine built trading on a once great name.

Over here it's going to be spruiked as a $20,000 motorbike.

I hope it all goes well.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 10, 2019, 04:15:49 AM
Just wondering? How much is the Piaggio marketing department paying you? :evil:

In jest.

I hope.

Sorry, I see so many disappointments in the V85 it isn't even remotely on my radar.

If it had a sad, lacklustre engine but everything else about it, (Suspension, brakes etc.) was wonderful I could see the merit. Also if it had a great engine but corners had been cut elsewhere? Yeah, I could see that too.

As it is I see a 'built to a budget' uninspiring machine built trading on a once great name.

Over here it's going to be spruiked as a $20,000 motorbike.

I hope it all goes well.

Pete
So do I...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 10, 2019, 08:14:37 AM
my 2004 BMW RT needed: new seat; new windshield; new suspension to be sorted.  about another $2,000.  as far as i was concerned, these were not optional.
my 2015 Cali 1400 needed windshield and luggage rack.  about $900. these were optional.
my 2007 Victory Kingpin needed nothing.  about $0.  25,000 miles and nothing spent but 2 spark plugs, an air filter, oil changes and tires.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on March 10, 2019, 08:38:16 AM
Just wondering? How much is the Piaggio marketing department paying you? :evil:

In jest.

I hope.

Sorry, I see so many disappointments in the V85 it isn't even remotely on my radar.

If it had a sad, lacklustre engine but everything else about it, (Suspension, brakes etc.) was wonderful I could see the merit. Also if it had a great engine but corners had been cut elsewhere? Yeah, I could see that too.

As it is I see a 'built to a budget' uninspiring machine built trading on a once great name.

Over here it's going to be spruiked as a $20,000 motorbike.

I hope it all goes well.

Pete

Geez, Pete.  I think of you as having some of the best input on this board for various threads, maybe the best info period on some of them, especially with regard to the 8V.  When I inquired, you’ve even kindly taken the time to send me informational emails and such on various Guzzis I’ve owned.  You are an asset truly to this board. 

But I’m just gonna come on out and say it.  Have you ever thought about giving it a damn rest with tire kicking on the small blocks and newer bikes?  It’s just a thought  :wink:  Seems like every thread about them there you are, repeatedly, unrelentingly giving them shit for various reasons and yet, I’ve owned 11 different Geese and the V7/V9 small blocks seem to twist and go as good or better than the lot of them, certainly less mechanical trouble for me than the majority of the other Geese I’ve owned which have been afflicted with everything from bad odometers, multiple recalls, etc.  And as much as anyone can complain about corners cut, suspension or otherwise, the fact is that not a single damn one of the Guzzis I’ve ever owned were performance machines even with the best suspension, upgrades, etc. added to them.  I’ve loved them for their character and dependability that is different from most any other brand and/or motorcycle on the market.  And in those aspects, it seems like this new bike would still click those same boxes for me and a great number of other people. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on March 10, 2019, 09:50:16 AM
Didn't anybody who speaks English get invited?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on March 10, 2019, 11:00:02 AM
The equivalent BMW (850 Adventure) isn't just epensive either.  It's heavy too. Only just shy of the big lard-arsed R1250 Adventure.  I've looked long & hard at this bike.  It has the same (well, similar I suppose) motor to my Husky (900cc P twin) which in the Nuda at least makes the bike a bit of a gem.  slim, light, responsive & making great noises.

Yet BMW, in transplanting this (Rotax-made) motor into a GS bike, have given it a charisma bypass.  It's boring.  Tragically, mind-numbingly, yawn-inducingly, irreversibly tedious.   No Guzzi ever made in the last 50 odd years - at least none that I've ever encountered - could ever be described as boring.  There's just so much character intrinsic in a longitudinal vee layout.  Even the baby V35s will put a grin on your dial:  reversing an Ercole out of a tight park will make you laugh out loud - in a good way.  Anyway, chains suck for touring.

KTM make great dirt bikes.  I had one (also Rotax-engined) in the mid 80s.  It was a beast, but no way suited for long-range touring.  Sometimes, the bitch just wouldn't start.  At all, for hours at a time.  Then, all of a sudden, when your leg was buggered & you felt tempted to make a bonfire out of the bloody thing..... vroom!   I learned to always shut it down on steep/ish hills.  They still don't seem to be suited to touring in the long, slow, lazy, worry-free way just about any non clipon or rearset equipped Guzzi can.

I've toured a few bikes intermittently across 3 continents over the past 40 years.  I was a late starter on 2 wheels.  But I know what I like, & I'm now getting pretty sure that I know what works best in a variety of conditions & scenarios.  The only real downside to using this particular marque as a remote area tourer is tha lack of dealer representation for parts & repairs.  The world has shrunk astonishingly over my lifetime.  No single part could realistically be much more than a week or 2 away (within reason) from order to express delivery.  With such a 'simple', 'crude' & 'primitive' bike (all in a good way) there's little to fail that a modicum of expertise & common sense can't fix.  OK, I'm crap at auto-electrics, but there's at least one practitioner in most towns the world over.  Europe still has dozens of Guzzi mechanics in just about every country, if not major town & city.

The only simpler bike still universally available is Suzuki's timeless DR 650, which is much more dirt-oriented & a size too small I believe for true long-range, long-term touring.

The V85 is pretty damn near to the perfect embodiment of what I imagine a long-range, allroad touring bike should be.  Just a few key essential additions, covered under the maker's guarantee, a minimum of personal mods (those leaky tubed rims need sealing & the innertubes & valves ditched, for one) & maybe a simpler, collector-free crossover piped exhaust & cored standard muffler & the world's your oyster.  I get a dream-bike that will see me doing what I love for the next (probably my final) twenty years, for around about 2/3 the price of those boring, woefully overrated Teutonic dreadnoughts.  Realistically, what's not to like?

As a current Rider of both Guzzi AND BMW, I have a very different take on the middleweight GS series. Yes, the latest iteration, the F750/850 bikes are unfortunately porky and typically are equipped with a lot of expensive and complicated features that might better be omitted from a middleweight. Also, they have brand new engines made in China. BMW used the Rotax engines in the previous GS series, the F700/800 GS. I rented a F700GS last summer for a week-long California tour, not expecting anything special. To my surprise, I found it to be an almost perfect “do anything “ motorcycle. I bought one as soon as I got home.

As for being boring, well, if that means having the proven dead reliable, smooth, torquey Rotax motor in a strong, light (410 lbs dry) agile chassis with reasonably high-quality long-travel suspension, I’ll take it. I concede that it’s not “soulfull” (whatever that means), but working perfectly in virtually every situation is its own form of character. I even like the sound — it seems like the sound of efficiency.

That said (Guzzi content), I very much like the concept — and appearance — of the V85, and I think Guzzi May have hit a sweet spot with this design. We’ll see if they deliver on the execution. I would have been considering buying one, but I wanted to get the F700GS before they were gone.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 10, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
Re “Rotax engines” I don’t believe Rotax is making engines for any two wheeled vehicle any more, and I don’t think they have for some time.  Aprilia and BMW were their main customers, Aprilia after purchase by an engine manufacturer (Piaggio) dropped Rotax when new Aprilia models were designed, BMW apparently owned the design & manufacturing rights to their Rotax engines and moved production to Asia.

I believe a derivation of the 1000 cc V-twin Rotax once built for Aprilia is still used in the Can Am three wheelers.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on March 10, 2019, 01:06:11 PM
From everything I’ve seen, the Chinese engines in the 750/850 GS bikes are clean sheet designs — not related to the Rotax engines other than sharing the basic configuration.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 10, 2019, 01:12:59 PM
Some of the recent but non-current Asian produced BMW engines were Rotax designs.  There have apparently been some issues with the current Chinese produced non-Rotax engines, typical BMW design quality stuff.  BMW does not typically produce top quality engines until after a long period of design development.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on March 10, 2019, 02:00:04 PM
Some of the recent but non-current Asian produced BMW engines were Rotax designs.  There have apparently been some issues with the current Chinese produced non-Rotax engines, typical BMW design quality stuff.  BMW does not typically produce top quality engines until after a long period of design development.

I have heard of such issues as well, one of the reasons I deliberately chose the proven F700 design. More important to me, though, was the lighter weight and simplicity of the previous models, more appropriate for a middleweight. I also don’t like the appearance of the 750/850s as well as the previous line, but of course, we’re talking GS here....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 10, 2019, 03:52:32 PM
Amen brother....   I kept typing and deleting replies to the thread...not wanting to disrespect Pete (as his input has helped me sort my Brevas), but to get him to give it a break.
I suspect I'm a "snowflake" now.   :wink:


richy

The question was asked in the post I replied to, 'What's not to like?'. I answered the question. Sorry if just because I refuse to pour praise on a new model from Guzzi it makes me some sort of heretic. I hadn't realised that criticism wasn't allowed. I thought I'd of had to join 'The Clan' for that!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 10, 2019, 07:48:23 PM
I must apologise for undue criticism of others' choice in bikes.  All views represented above & below are my own only.  I haven't actually ridden BMW's latest 850 Adventure.  The motor is similar to the model it supersedes, which was I believe-Rotax derived.  The variant of this motor that I own is 900cc & contained within an (ex BMW) Husqvarna.  In comparison to a Nuda, the older F800's  motor is doughier, less responsive & much less powerful.  Maybe the newer F850 motor will be better.  But still I suspect ailing from an endemic charisma bypass.

I'm sure it's great in the dirt.  It's also big, heavy, ridiculously expensive, complicated in terms of multitudes of sophisticated interrelated electronic systems, & like the Nuda (& virtually all other motorcycles) chain driven.  As such it's unsuitable.

As an aside, a Nuda is probably approaching the worst possible tourer imaginable.  It's a tight road sprinter, huge fun for an afternoon & sheer purgatory for anything much longer.  The 13L tank is a huge red flag, no?  No luggage capacity, either.

One can theoretically tour anything.  I've toured on old 750 GT sprung valve & 900ss bevel-drive Ducatis.  A woefully unreliable MG Spada.  A Rotax powered KTM GS600.  The Nuda (for a weekend only).  K & R BMWs.  I once met a pair of eccentric Neapolitans at the Guzzi museum who wer on their way, Vespa bound, to Nordkapp!  Wonder if they made it safely back home again?  The only bike that I've owned on which its impossible to tour is another Rotax powered Aprilia RSVR.  High first gear, no room & a cruelly small bar-seat-pegs triangle means I can't ride it any more (arthritis).

Every single bike (& car) that I've taken on tour has broken down.  They invariably do, but the prevalence has mercifully reduced over time.  The irony is that whilst more reliable, & less in need of molly-coddling, the cost of repairs has skyrocketed along with vehicular complexity.  Apart from the usual flat tyres & getting bogged that everybody experiences, there's been disintegrating exhausts (outback corrugations & USSR potholes), holed petrol tanks (twice) in cars, side-cases repeatedly falling off, bad fuel & injector failure, pervasive electrical gremlins (for which my Italian bikes seem to have a particular, but not exclusive predilection).  I was stuck for a fortnight in Leningrad with a remarkably well hidden wet K100 throttle microswitch that disallowed revs beyond 1600!  Gearbox failure, cambelt failure, alloy wheel failure, clutch failure, fuel & water pump failures, bent tailshaft, & I once carelessly lost a work vehicle in a bushfire.

I'm no mechanic.  I know some basics, plus basic maintenance.  I'm no auto electrician, but I know basic electrics.  I stress the word basic.  In remote areas where incidents seem to ALWAYS happen, assistance is exponentially more expensive.  One can I suppose be grateful - but never dependent or expectant - on the little & large kindnesses of strangers, but professional assistance typically costs up to TEN!! times the price of 'local' expertise.  It's also impossible, esp on a bike, to anticipate all contingencies.  Even a basic tools roll is bulky & heavy.  Sometimes extra fuel, water & specialist gear oil should be carried.  Plus all your kit:  camping, cooking, personals, minimal 'luxuries' etc.

For me, a simple, crude, primitive bike is 'better'.  Being 'cheap' makes it affordable.  Being new/ish also helps reliability too.  Complexity adds additional layers of risk (of failure).  Modern electronics are more reliable than old-school electrics ever were (in my experience anyway), but such fancies as electronic suspension, multi-level ABS, traction control, cornering control etc. CAN be both fragile over time and potentially incapacititive.

A new Guzzi will cost me about $20K local currency too.  A new (R series) Adventure bike ready to tour is closer to $35K.  Yes.  $35K.  Nearly 3 years GROSS income, or about a decade's savings!  I personally don't give a rat's that a Gutsie's 'disappointingly' flawed or compromised.  A compromise to what, anyway?  My (admittedly shortly-lived) ownership experience with a 3rd-hand SP1000 was far & away the most fraught & intermittently unrewarding.  More than any other bike I've owned, this one had a particularly memorable mutual love-hate relationship.

A new Guzzi tourer is infinitely more affordable than any other shaftie that I know of.  I can get up to 4 warrantied years of riding out of it before breakdown becomes a potentially dire financial issue.  It's big enough for a load, comfortable enough for a month or 4, I suspect reliable enough to be a viable long-term ownership proposition & hopefully sufficiently charismatic to actually enjoy.

OK.  It's not 'perfect'.  Nor am I.  Some (maybe even most, I know I do) find it a mite gaudy/tacky/compromised/modern/cheap/'inauthentic' (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot that means) etc.  There's as many reasons to dislike it as there is to appreciate its qualities.  But for me personally, at my stage in life & for my own specific requirements, this bike is, if not actually perfect, then still a bloody good effort.

I think it's going to be a huge success, warts & all.  It deserves to be.  It needs to be. If it doesn't sell in shiploads, then I suspect Guzzi (as a corporate entity) will cease to exist forthwith.  They need to consistently sell 75 bikes of all sorts/day, 350/week, 1400/month, year-in-year-out.  Who, even the company's competitors, would realistically wish for that outcome?

No, I don't work for Piaggio.  No I don't get paid either.  However, if somebody from P corporate wants to subsidise my bum onto a new Gutsie then I'll not object:  I'm sure that I too could be another sycophantic, snivelling little arse-licker along with the best of 'em.  But only given sufficient financial inducement to actually do so:  a pre-paid tryst or dalliance with a centrefold model might also achieve a similar result.  I'm open to offers.  In the meantime, please don't accuse me of this crime just yet.  It's disingenuous and unfair.  I'm willing but to date uncorrupted.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on March 10, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
In Italy all the magazines are writing good reviews, everyone is super exited , I have not read/watched/heard a bad review yet.

Kinda scary.... I am curious to see in a few months after the enthusiasm will be over..

I still think that for 10 k i would rather buy a left over Stelvio .

ah btw my 1990 GS has tubeless rims... just saying.

 :popcorn: 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 10, 2019, 10:07:20 PM


I still think that for 10 k i would rather buy a left over Stelvio .



 :popcorn:
That’ll be good for the future of the marque.. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: averb on March 11, 2019, 01:56:06 AM
I must apologise for undue criticism of others' choice in bikes.  All views represented above & below are my own only.  I haven't actually ridden BMW's latest 850 Adventure.  The motor is similar to the model it supersedes, which was I believe-Rotax derived.  The variant of this motor that I own is 900cc & contained within an (ex BMW) Husqvarna.  In comparison to a Nuda, the older F800's  motor is doughier, less responsive & much less powerful.  Maybe the newer F850 motor will be better.  But still I suspect ailing from an endemic charisma bypass.

I'm sure it's great in the dirt.  It's also big, heavy, ridiculously expensive, complicated in terms of multitudes of sophisticated interrelated electronic systems, & like the Nuda (& virtually all other motorcycles) chain driven.  As such it's unsuitable.



As far as I can see this isn't the case - the F850 has a claimed wet weight of 229Kg - the same as the V85, the cost  starts at AUD$18k plus onroad for the base model. The reality is that as far as comparisons go the V85 should be compared with the more road oriented F750, claimed wet weight 224kg, starting cost AUD$13.5k plus onroad.

The V85 also has a serious array of sophisticated electronics with riding modes, ABS, traction control and cruise control hardly the stuff you're going to fix on the side of the gunbarrel.

I have no issue with people preferring the V85 over other bikes - I quite like the look of it myself, but i think you should keep the arguments based on reality

Steve

References - https://adbmag.com.au/editorial/bmw-f-850-gs-pricing-announced/
https://www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/bmw-f-750-850-gs-launch-review-116056/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 11, 2019, 02:47:28 AM
As far as I can see this isn't the case - the F850 has a claimed wet weight of 229Kg - the same as the V85, the cost  starts at AUD$18k plus onroad for the base model. The reality is that as far as comparisons go the V85 should be compared with the more road oriented F750, claimed wet weight 224kg, starting cost AUD$13.5k plus onroad.

The V85 also has a serious array of sophisticated electronics with riding modes, ABS, traction control and cruise control hardly the stuff you're going to fix on the side of the gunbarrel.

I have no issue with people preferring the V85 over other bikes - I quite like the look of it myself, but i think you should keep the arguments based on reality

Steve

References - https://adbmag.com.au/editorial/bmw-f-850-gs-pricing-announced/
https://www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/bmw-f-750-850-gs-launch-review-116056/


Thanks for that.  I wasn't aware the Chinese BMWs had a drive shaft.  I'll have to look into that one.  At <$14K on the road that's an absolute bargain.  Presumably that's equipped with centre stand, bags, racks & all the requisite touring paraphernalia?  I'd assumed that only the lard-arsed boxers were shaft drive!



PS. Are you sure that the bike you've mentioned is really the one you're talking about?

I just checked out a "BMW F750 GS" on BMW.com.  It's not as you described.  Not by a long shot.  The tank is tiny (15L) the seat is low, the setup seems fairly Macdam-road oriented (i.e. unsuitable for the rough), it's been hit badly with an ugly stick, and doesn't seem to have long-range tour panniers available, meaning if you fit some & break the subframe no warranty applies!

It doesn't even have a cardan drive: it's a bloody chain!  No thanks, for that style of bike I think I'd be better off with a (non-R series) KTM 790 Adventure.  These Teutons, the KTM & the 750/850 BMWs: one seems more road-oriented & one dirt, one more suited to taller riders (men?) & one for shorter (women?) riders, just like KTM's 790 Adventure/R pairing.

As it stands, both of these brands' pairings seem pretty small & I suspect lightly built for extended tough going.  None of the have cardan drive, all are liquid cooled, & lack the simplicity of the Guzzi. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not prepared to risk $20-22K on something that's so dubiously suited to my needs.  The F800 I tested a couple of years ago was I seem to recall a fairly insipid, uninspiring ride.  No Nuda, that's for sure, despite having the same motor & manufacturer.

The Guzzi doesn't have anywhere near the kind of electronics of the Teutons:  keyless ignition, cornering stability control, electronic suspension, tyre pressure monitoring.  Far from saying the new Guzzis have nothing, all I stated was than in certain circumstances (especially breakdowns) then less is more.

Oh, & the price?  Well over $20K according to BMW's local website.  Huh?  Where in hell did that OTR $14K price come from?  That's the sort of price that well-used Stelvio NTX IIIs are selling for!  I'd imagine that the New KTM pair will be even more.  The 850 Adventure is over $27K configured as a tourer!  Bugger that for a joke!

But at the end of the day I already have 2 BMWs, so I don't really need another.  My one & only Piaggio has to go, so there's soon to be room for another.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: arveno on March 11, 2019, 06:26:26 AM
That’ll be good for the future of the marque.. :thumb:


Ah ah ah ah !!!
Thank you for the laughs
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 11, 2019, 07:02:33 AM


The V85 also has a serious array of sophisticated electronics with riding modes, ABS, traction control and cruise control hardly the stuff you're going to fix on the side of the gunbarrel.


But none of that will require fixing on the side of the road.  If any of those breaks a light will come on and you just keep on riding until you decide to diagnose and fix.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on March 11, 2019, 07:38:29 AM
Original rackless plastic bags. Big enough for an integral helmet.
https://youtu.be/dO9S-MWBdc4?t=1155
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on March 12, 2019, 10:29:31 AM
The question was asked in the post I replied to, 'What's not to like?'. I answered the question. Sorry if just because I refuse to pour praise on a new model from Guzzi it makes me some sort of heretic. I hadn't realised that criticism wasn't allowed. I thought I'd of had to join 'The Clan' for that!

I'm all for criticism when it points out issues or shortcomings.  That would weed out substandard products and save us all some time buying a bike and fixing all the issues not resolved before shipment.   I've not seen nor ridden the V85, so I'm unable to appraise its shortcomings or shining points. 
I guess I do have thin skin, as sometimes I get "worked up" reading disparaging posts that offer up differing opinions than mine.   I don't expect you to stop criticizing or offering up opinion, nor would I want you to.   I'll just try not get so "worked up" when getting on the V85 thread to hear the good things that this particular bike may bring to the Guzzi fold.   I need to remember that there will be negative views of the bike.   I haven't ridden it, so I can neither agree or disagree.
Sorry Pete,   Don't go joining any "clan"? on my account.  Heretic?  I think most Guzzi owners own up to going against the grain with their bike choice. 
I'll get me coat.

richy
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 14, 2019, 05:18:31 AM
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v85-tt/2019/?fbclid=IwAR01KaBTWTXeFqkYfkFJRyKfyzBGvfgoYDNXmtxS1TwX8mihSS33BRoIRQ4
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 14, 2019, 05:42:34 AM
Quote
79.1bhp
See. Not 80..  :evil: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 14, 2019, 06:10:54 AM
Why bother?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: nick949 on March 14, 2019, 06:47:42 AM
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v85-tt/2019/?fbclid=IwAR01KaBTWTXeFqkYfkFJRyKfyzBGvfgoYDNXmtxS1TwX8mihSS33BRoIRQ4 (https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v85-tt/2019/?fbclid=IwAR01KaBTWTXeFqkYfkFJRyKfyzBGvfgoYDNXmtxS1TwX8mihSS33BRoIRQ4)

Oh God. No speed shifter. What'll we do?

Nick
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on March 14, 2019, 06:58:57 AM
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v85-tt/2019/?fbclid=IwAR01KaBTWTXeFqkYfkFJRyKfyzBGvfgoYDNXmtxS1TwX8mihSS33BRoIRQ4 (https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v85-tt/2019/?fbclid=IwAR01KaBTWTXeFqkYfkFJRyKfyzBGvfgoYDNXmtxS1TwX8mihSS33BRoIRQ4)

Oh God. No speed shifter. What'll we do?

Nick

WTH is a quickshifter and auto-blipper, and why would I even want one??  Lots of "could" and "might" in that review... doesnt sound like he rode it for more then a few miles.. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 14, 2019, 09:11:07 AM
that fuel mileage number "57..." looked very impressive.  a quick shifter is another thing to break.  i presume this was a new bike, so the vibration and bulky shifting between 3-4 would likely smooth out in 5,000 miles or so.  i like the sound of it but it sounds like they will get more colour options across the pond.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 14, 2019, 09:33:27 AM
I'm still anticipating seeing a dyno test result, full throttle power over a range of rpm.  The 79.1 HP number is the first I've seen that isn't an even 80 HP but given that this is a riding impression from flying to Sardinia and riding a press bike, the realist in me says the number came from Piaggio.  If it is true RWHP that would be beyond my expectations and combined with the the reports of good tractability, the potential small block power issue is certainly gone.

This continues to look like a fantastic bike to me: neither over engineered or under developed, and not a uninspired copy-cat Guzzi version of some other bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pmillar on March 14, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
that fuel mileage number "57..." looked very impressive...

I'm guessing that mileage figure needs to be adjusted from imperial to U.S. gallons. If so, that takes it down to 47.5 MPG if I did it correctly, still not too shabby. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 14, 2019, 12:59:36 PM
I'm guessing that mileage figure needs to be adjusted from imperial to U.S. gallons. If so, that takes it down to 47.5 MPG if I did it correctly, still not too shabby.

and Press guys report much lower MPG than I ever get. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 14, 2019, 05:30:07 PM
I'm still anticipating seeing a dyno test result, full throttle power over a range of rpm.  The 79.1 HP number is the first I've seen that isn't an even 80 HP but given that this is a riding impression from flying to Sardinia and riding a press bike, the realist in me says the number came from Piaggio.  If it is true RWHP that would be beyond my expectations and combined with the the reports of good tractability, the potential small block power issue is certainly gone.

This continues to look like a fantastic bike to me: neither over engineered or under developed, and not a uninspired copy-cat Guzzi version of some other bike.

I notice that all numbers quoted in this particular short ride review are in medieval measures.  As such I suspect that they're converted from Piaggio's quoted SI units.  Realistically, a 300km+/- brief road test is only going to provide an impression of the actual reality.  A relatively new test bike, an unfamiliar rider, either inexperienced in this format of (low revving longitudinal twin) bike or in Sardinia's dodgy road network is unlikely to form reliable opinions in a mere handful of hours' use.  If I could get a riding range of 450km/tank from a midsize tourer then I'd be as happy as a pig in poo.  So I hope that at least that particular spec is realistic.

As for the actual power output, who knows?  The majority of riders who've reported to date are pretty happy with its power & torque characteristics, some describing a remarkably flexible little motor with useful drive down to 2K, good power from 4K, & smooth & (reasonably) rapid acceleration up to the 8K limiter.  A couple described it as, if not actually gutless, then perhaps stating that more neddies on tap could/would/should be advantageous.  My old R100CS delivers about 70 ponies @ the crank. It's a similar bike in many ways to the Guzzi:  size, weight, slow/er revving, torquey @ a lower but wide rev band, spokes, 19"/18" wheels etc.  It's always been quite 'adequate' in performance (it was the quickest airhead ever made apart from the MKM Krauser 8-valve customs). 

His 'concern' about the lack of clutchless shift aids makes me think that this fellow in particular doesn't quite 'get' the Guzzi ethos.  Whatever that is, it doesn't realistically incorporate racebike downshifters.  Anybody with sufficient experience & practise can perform perfectly adequate clutchless upshifts with just about any sequential (or even conventional for that matter) gearbox.  I had an old 5 cyl. Audi that had an inordinate appetite for clutch cables.  I'd have to occasionally drive it completely clutchless for a week or 2 at a time between repairs.  Its not that hard:  just a modicum of finesse & coordination is all that's required.  I also had a Ducati clutch cable go when on tour too.  Not a huge drama:  glide to a halt in neutral, and start it in gear.  Even if the bike has a in-gear start lockout, you can still 'wheelie start' by dropping it into gear on a slippery surface.

OK.  As somebody else stated, nobody's been overtly, nor even really obliquely, critical of the bike.  That is def. a worry.  Is it an artefact of Piaggio's catering largesse?  Are the reviewers, having been satiated by a generous succession of well-stocked minibars, , gourmet pasta & seafood, VSOP Cognac, single malt, vintage reds, a few spoons of Bolivian marching powder,  literally & metaphorically drained from a liberal scattering of expensive escorts &/or rent-boys in accordance with the reviewers' particular pecadilloes & proclivities, actually in a position to state that the Emperor has no clothes?  Or are they fatally compromised?  Only time will tell.

Sardinia is one of the world's less well publicised billionaires' playgrounds.  In places property prices exceed Euro 300,000 per square meter!  It's the province of surgically enhanced trophy wives, massive motor yachts, private jet airstrips & heliports, where the tycoons of global industry, media moguls, drug barons, organised crime bosses and political corruptees rub shoulders socially and do their dirty deals with relative impunity in security-enclaved anonymity.  This is Italy.  Join the dots.

I jest, of course.  Piaggio wouldn't expect their quid pro quo, would they?  Of course not!  I'm sure that each & every 'review' is as objective, honest and accurate as ever.....  This bike must be damn near perfect! 




Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 14, 2019, 05:56:26 PM
If it’s half as good as your turn of phrase, I’ll be more than satisfied..!
I guess the old adage must be correct after all.
The Poms invented the English language, the Aussies perfected it..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on March 14, 2019, 06:07:21 PM
at 5000 units or less a year I'm surprised they were not housed in pup tents and fed Mcdoubles.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 14, 2019, 09:01:33 PM
Sardinia is one of the world's less well publicised billionaires' playgrounds.  In places property prices exceed Euro 300,000 per square meter!  It's the province of surgically enhanced trophy wives, massive motor yachts, private jet airstrips & heliports, where the tycoons of global industry, media moguls, drug barons, organised crime bosses and political corruptees rub shoulders socially and do their dirty deals with relative impunity in security-enclaved anonymity. 

It's not like that at all, in general.  Sardina is mostly abandoned, the lowest population density area in Europe, but with a lot of good roads and geography much like California.  It's like Baja, but with lots of good curvy roads.   :laugh:  A small area of the island closest to Rome is a less extreme version of what you describe but in the rest and where the riding is good, you put up with slightly sub-par accommodations (although with good local food) and few services to enjoy great roads.  I rode there last year, on the same roads as this press intro.  A lot of towns are boarded up, vacant. 

Italian motorcyclists love Sardinia because it has great roads, and because it's Italian, but for me the more developed infrastructure in Corsica and the higher terrain makes it better (I've ridden in Corsica three times).

At 5000 units or less a year I'm surprised they were not housed in pup tents and fed Mcdoubles.

I can't recall Piaggio putting on well orchestrated PR campaign for a new model before, and this one does seem to have been pretty well done.  I think they've figured they're onto a winner, at least in Guzzi terms...  Meaning in my mind 4 days of Enfield production (8000 bikes) over the next year  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 14, 2019, 10:07:57 PM
It's called irony.  I would've thought it glaringly, if not ludicrously obvious.

Porto Cervo, on Sardinia's Costa Smeralda is indeed a billionaire's playground.  Originally developed by Prince Karim Aga Khan IV and a clutch of other Uber-wealthy cronies the village ostensibly has a mere 421 inhabitants, swelled by an influx of the globe's richest during the high season.  Naturally, when you're the absolute dictator of some fabulously resource-rich principality, you don't like your business, private or professional, becoming common knowledge.  Especially when considering the types of business actually being discussed:  bribery, extortion, hostile takeovers, assassinations, coups d'etat, invasions etc.  Who actually owns what & where?  Nobody's talking, obviously. 

Occasionally, lesser luminaries visit.  The likes of Denzel Washington, Lenny Kravitz, Bruce Willis come to rub shoulders with the Berlusconis & other assorted oligarchs, dictators, tyrants & slavers.  It's apparently a nice discrete bolt-hole & escape from the plebian mere millionaires crowding Monaco and the Riviera during high summer.  Just the place to slip away to "the shack" in the Learjet for a 'quickie' August Bank Holiday weekend with a curvaceous starlet when the wife is away visiting her mother....

Euro 300K/m squared property prices aren't plucked from the ether.  The figure was quoted by Engel & Volkers, used-house salesmen & brokers to modern royalty.  The dudes you have on quick-dial if you're in the market for the odd chateau, castle or tropical island.  Romazzino Bay is easily the most exclusive part of the 20 Km of coast comprising the not-so-dodgy end of the 'Smeralda.

This tiny, discrete address does actually host the world's 4th, 6th & 7th most expensive Hotels (2012 figures).  A suite in no.7 (Hotel Cala DeVolpe) costs up to about US$32,736/night.

Did Gruppo Piaggio put up the world's motorcycling press in this type of accommodation?  What do you think?  With all due respect, get a grip.

By the way, bugger the Learjet!  Way too common.  What about a Piaggio Aerospace Avanti Evo?  Makes a 'Guzzi look kinda crude, yet there's an uncanny familial resemblance. Hint.......  It's so ugly it's beautiful.

http://www.avantievo.piaggioaerospace.it
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 14, 2019, 10:15:13 PM
Piaggio aerospace is bankrupt, but it's not relevant to the motorcycle company.

I'm sure the press had a good time at Piaggios expense.  I liked Alghero and Stintino, not expensive and a nice places.  Sardinia's a good place for press intro in March. 

You could make your point in about 1/10 the number of words.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 14, 2019, 10:35:07 PM
Humble apologies for wasting so much of your valuable time.  Just ignore my posts in future.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 15, 2019, 04:48:33 AM


You could make your point in about 1/10 the number of words.
Yeah but where’s the fun in that ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bpreynolds on March 15, 2019, 06:05:10 AM
I'm guessing that mileage figure needs to be adjusted from imperial to U.S. gallons. If so, that takes it down to 47.5 MPG if I did it correctly, still not too shabby.

Especially good in the ADV genre of bikes which leans towards the big, the heavy, the powerful.  I mean yes, there are bikes that make twice as much power as this and get 36-40mpg but I doubt folks shopping for a Multistrada will be looking at the Guzzi. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 15, 2019, 08:24:43 AM
Hell, I'm looking at a Verys 300X to satisfy my want for something that I won't mind going down the gravel roads with their stream crossings in my neck of the woods.  It is capable of interstate speeds and light trail work.  Can be had for less than $5000. 

What the V85 has over the 300X is looks, shaft drive, and air cooled.  Decisions, Decisions.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on March 15, 2019, 10:53:01 AM
  If it is true RWHP that would be beyond my expectations and combined with the the reports of good tractability, the potential small block power issue is certainly gone.


It's most likely a flywheel number.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 15, 2019, 11:26:32 AM
Hell, I'm looking at a Verys 300X to satisfy my want for something that I won't mind going down the gravel roads with their stream crossings in my neck of the woods.  It is capable of interstate speeds and light trail work.  Can be had for less than $5000. 

What the V85 has over the 300X is looks, shaft drive, and air cooled.  Decisions, Decisions.

I've been waiting for the X to get the 400 engine from the Ninja 400.  When that happens I might have to buy one. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on March 15, 2019, 11:35:47 AM
I've been waiting for the X to get the 400 engine from the Ninja 400.  When that happens I might have to buy one.

When that happen, that thing will murder everyone else sub 400CC class...

STILL in the cheap"er" insurance yet a better power band/torque to the whole lot of them current light weight adv bikes...

anything above are just overly grossly fat :P...yet I am a hypocrite wanting a V85 lol...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 15, 2019, 12:06:00 PM
I've been waiting for the X to get the 400 engine from the Ninja 400.  When that happens I might have to buy one.

That is what is keeping me from jumping now.  A 30 percent increase in torque with the price point probably only increasing 10% if the Z400 is any indication is something worth waiting on unless a clean used 300X for $3000 crosses my path before then. 

I have also thought about getting another KLX250S and going for the 350cc kit. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: grame99 on March 15, 2019, 07:39:11 PM
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v85tt-2019-review
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 15, 2019, 08:19:04 PM
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v85tt-2019-review

Pretty good review overall I would say. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on March 15, 2019, 09:24:07 PM
Looks to be a nice motorcycle .....price is reasonable simple in design and it looks great as compared to its competition .
i think Guzzi is on the right track and for those that see the value in what it is then they should be proud to own one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 16, 2019, 07:38:00 AM
I am glad to see that MG has played to its strengths instead of trying to be something it is not.  BMW did well for many years by refusing to jump into the power game with the Japanese 4.  If you are going to make 95hp from an 850, it is going to have to rev.  If it revs it puts the power and tourque bands into higher ranges.  All that means is that you really have to work the bike to get its best performance.  I really liked this reviewer's descriptions of what real world riding might be like on this bike.  It reminds me of how my old R100RS felt when it was on the move.  That bike had an ease of motion about it if you had it between 4th and 5th gear territory and running between 50 and 90mph.  Of course, the brakes were crap and the gearbox clunky.  The power band of the V85 sounds pretty similar, just with much more go power.  Like that old BMW, the maximum power was less than its rivals of the time, but within its envelope, it was a real pleasure. Based on the review, I would say this new one just might be.
At age 60 now, I don't want to have to ring the bike out to get brisk performance.  I hope there are many others who are looking for the same thing.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on March 16, 2019, 03:47:23 PM
 The positive reviews keep pouring in!
https://www.visordown.com/reviews/first-ride/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-2019-review
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on March 16, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
So the dealer in town had a Demo V85 so took it with me an hour.
It feels so light, coming from my stelvio. Sound at startup is good, deep not to loud. When acceleration there is a nice hum from the air intake. Sitting is fine, with my 190 I felt good. Gearbox is from V9, nothing wrong with it, precise, no noises. The clutch is light to use.
Accelerating on the highway is good. It's not made for doing long stretches 100MPH. With the low flyschreen you won't like that for long.
The steering is good in corners, long corners are easy. I suppose easy is the main characteristic of the bike. Overtaking on 2 lane roads is simple, there is enough power to do it in short time. Turning around on a small road showed the steering angle to be large. (sorry for my not knowing English so good, meaning the handlebar car be turned a lot) 
Suspension is not to soft, but takes a lot. I would opt for the offered öhlins. Injection does it's job, no complaints here.

Back home on the Stelvio, it has more power/torque, can I do without it? But the V85 positives are welcome too.


(https://i.ibb.co/X83s61h/IMG-1315-Large.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X83s61h)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 16, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Wow the video reviewer at Visor Down “loved it”.    And he said he had never ridden a Guzzi before!   What 's happening?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 16, 2019, 05:33:16 PM
Lack of cornering clearance sounds like an issue, but would probably be solvable with a slightly longer shock and a bit more fork spring preload.  That's the most (actually only) concerning thing I've heard so far.  It's not like you're going to install little short road racing footpegs on this bike, and the center stand (which would be mandatory for me) is likely to drag too.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 16, 2019, 05:42:56 PM
good review Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 16, 2019, 06:38:16 PM
But we all need to remember, Pete says it's a turd, so we need to keep that in mind, less we get carried away.  :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: T4halo on March 16, 2019, 10:28:12 PM
This might be a winner.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 16, 2019, 10:42:24 PM
The positive reviews keep pouring in!
https://www.visordown.com/reviews/first-ride/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-2019-review

watched the video with my subwoofer on and man that exhaust sure sounds nice!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Keith McGoff on March 17, 2019, 05:57:28 AM
Here is a new blog style ride report in English (and yet another who likes the bike)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNqCxKSBh4&fbclid=IwAR0bT5wbBj380xtwUUat1t51ABnaR1nd-wHuEoa4AB8AKkJ7IVvw3fwFc5M
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on March 17, 2019, 07:17:15 AM
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v85tt-2019-review

Positive review, although I'm surprised about the clearance comments both from this and another reviewer.

And, it came With an advertising slogan:
"you’ll be surprised how nice it can be to enjoy riding something well-balanced, practical, fast enough to entertain, slow enough to chill, and beautiful enough to turn heads at a hundred yards."
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 17, 2019, 08:01:53 AM
But we all need to remember, Pete says it's a turd, so we need to keep that in mind, less we get carried away.  :wink:
Too late for me.
Doesn’t matter though, I’ve been putting up with shit most of my life.
Also remember, he called his Stelvio a “turd” when he got it, and love has blossomed there in abundance.. :kiss:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on March 17, 2019, 08:02:57 AM
Cool on all the glowing reviews. You know who else believes in the V85-Moto Guzzi does. They have been marketing this launch very well right out of the gate. Unlike the V9" Tony the press is hanging around outside,take a V9 for a test ride and let them get some spy shots"And now the V9 is being deeply discounted and if they follow through with a V85 street version,soon to be forgotton about.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tomas0365 on March 18, 2019, 01:53:32 AM
Positive review, although I'm surprised about the clearance comments both from this and another reviewer.

And, it came With an advertising slogan:
"you’ll be surprised how nice it can be to enjoy riding something well-balanced, practical, fast enough to entertain, slow enough to chill, and beautiful enough to turn heads at a hundred yards."

Looking at some of the photos I think the chassis is fooling the riders.  I don't think they realise how much lean they have on.  :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 18, 2019, 03:20:56 AM
Here is a new blog style ride report in English (and yet another who likes the bike)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNqCxKSBh4&fbclid=IwAR0bT5wbBj380xtwUUat1t51ABnaR1nd-wHuEoa4AB8AKkJ7IVvw3fwFc5M
A 23 litre tank and 400 k range..
A fraction thirsty fair to say.
We’ll see.
Also I see that they’ve found a solution to the dirty clutch fluid problem..
Don’t have any !
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on March 18, 2019, 07:16:59 AM
A 23 litre tank and 400 k range..
A fraction thirsty fair to say.
We’ll see.
Also I see that they’ve found a solution to the dirty clutch fluid problem..
Don’t have any !

Not really.  ADV bikes are tall, have bulbous bodywork, hand guards, big saddlebags and this means horrible aerodynamics.  45mpg and a 250 mile range is very good.  This is especially good considering press bikes get flogged during testing.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 18, 2019, 07:20:47 AM
Not really.  ADV bikes are tall, have bulbous bodywork, hand guards, big saddlebags and this means horrible aerodynamics.  45mpg and a 250 mile range is very good.  This is especially good considering press bikes get flogged during testing.   

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 19, 2019, 01:08:19 AM
Some reviewers are talking a safe 450 Km/tank.  Maybe not the way you ride Huzo?

One French vlogger was riding his press V85 like a 600cc 4 cyl. supersport bike:  point & squirt through the gears, hard brake & squirt again.  I left a subtle (English & French) suggestion/comment on his video that he might enjoy the bike a bit more if he didn't ride it like it was stolen: some 'sympathie mechanique', if you please.  Less haste, more speed.  My 'words of wisdom' didn't seem to go down very well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvokvluqxRQ

Whereas this Italian dude DOES have the deftness & subtlety of control to ride fast & smooth.  He also manages to have something useful & interesting to say about the bike.  I wish I could ride that well!  Great bike, great rider, great roads.  My favourite test to date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7HWQuSCxY
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on March 19, 2019, 06:55:21 AM
Some reviewers are talking a safe 450 Km/tank.  Maybe not the way you ride Huzo?

One French vlogger was riding his press V85 like a 600cc 4 cyl. supersport bike:  point & squirt through the gears, hard brake & squirt again.  I left a subtle (English & French) suggestion/comment on his video that he might enjoy the bike a bit more if he didn't ride it like it was stolen: some 'sympathie mechanique', if you please.  Less haste, more speed.  My 'words of wisdom' didn't seem to go down very well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvokvluqxRQ

Whereas this Italian dude DOES have the deftness & subtlety of control to ride fast & smooth.  He also manages to have something useful & interesting to say about the bike.  I wish I could ride that well!  Great bike, great rider, great roads.  My favourite test to date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7HWQuSCxY

Wow.  No wonder they chose Sardinia.  What incredible roads!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 19, 2019, 07:26:54 AM
Some reviewers are talking a safe 450 Km/tank.  Maybe not the way you ride Huzo?

One French vlogger was riding his press V85 like a 600cc 4 cyl. supersport bike:  point & squirt through the gears, hard brake & squirt again.  I left a subtle (English & French) suggestion/comment on his video that he might enjoy the bike a bit more if he didn't ride it like it was stolen: some 'sympathie mechanique', if you please.  Less haste, more speed.  My 'words of wisdom' didn't seem to go down very well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvokvluqxRQ

Whereas this Italian dude DOES have the deftness & subtlety of control to ride fast & smooth.  He also manages to have something useful & interesting to say about the bike.  I wish I could ride that well!  Great bike, great rider, great roads.  My favourite test to date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7HWQuSCxY


Someone disabled the comments on the first video.  Those must be tighter corners than the video makes them look like based on the speeds I was able to see periodically showing on the speedometer. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 19, 2019, 08:04:55 AM
Looks great.  Fun ride, enough power, comfortable.  What's not to like?  Only tubed wheels, I'd say.
Looks like a great all rounder.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 19, 2019, 10:11:15 AM
Can anybody confirm that the V85TT has a normal electrical system and not a BMW style Canbus setup?  I'm quite interested in the bike and could just about tolerate ABS, throttle by wire, riding modes etc but if it were to have Canbus it would put me over the edge.

The single throttle body does make me smile.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 19, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
  if it were to have Canbus it would put me over the edge.
 

all the new bikes have at least some amount of CANBUS.   Don't be surprised when you learn V85TT does, too.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 19, 2019, 12:08:36 PM
Yeah, I'd be very surprised if it doesn't..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 19, 2019, 12:35:18 PM
If it follows the protocols used in the Cali 1400, which I imagine it will, it will run canbus between several of the major components, ECU, dashboard, demand sensor, ABS etc. but not a really complex 'Full bike' system like say BMW.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on March 19, 2019, 12:50:46 PM
 And another review
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-first-ride-motorcycle-review?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=boosted-posts|tpfn&utm_content=bike-review-article&utm_term=2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-first-ride-motorcycle-review-031919-|tpfn&fbclid=IwAR3xRm6SuXbFHyHekNZ0Mp8TsbAEgdWiLUJhyTlNEOJFTs06p9cMZtFKUwc
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 19, 2019, 01:54:18 PM
all the new bikes have at least some amount of CANBUS.   Don't be surprised when you learn V85TT does, too.

One of the attractions of Japanese bikes is their more practical approach in this regard - the V-Strom has a basic field serviceable electrical system in a similar lightweight, low cost bike.  Good engineering for the application, not inward looking BMW/Bosch 'engineering'.

Do the other small block Guzzis have CANBUS?   The Cali 1400 is a failing product.  You'd hope Piaggio would have learned based on experience here as in other areas where they copied BMW and failed in the marketplace. 

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on March 19, 2019, 02:03:29 PM
Canbus merely allows data for different functions to be carried down the same pair of wires.  It represents a huge saving in the amount of individual wires on the bike, reducing the complexity.

I don't agree the Cali 1400 is a failing product.  Failing in what way?  I own two and having nothing but praise for them.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 19, 2019, 02:04:58 PM
Can anybody confirm that the V85TT has a normal electrical system and not a BMW style Canbus setup?  I'm quite interested in the bike and could just about tolerate ABS, throttle by wire, riding modes etc but if it were to have Canbus it would put me over the edge.

The single throttle body does make me smile.

Well, I am going to test ride a Suzuki VanVan 200 tomorrow.  I think it will be a great bike for putting around the Tennessee hills on the gravel roads and Wildlife Management Areas.  I guarantee that it does not have CanBus if that is something you want to avoid.   :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 19, 2019, 02:08:26 PM
I don't agree the Cali 1400 is a failing product.  Failing in what way?  I own two and having nothing but praise for them.

Failing to sell in volume, and as a result by all accounts likely to go out of production soon:

The writing is on the wall. Small blocks set to take over the world.  Here's 2018 sales numbers for Guzzi in Italy.

V7 - 1,645
V9 Bobber - 198
V9 Roamer - 96
CALIFORNIA 1400 TOURING - 23
California 1400 Bold - 21
CALIFORNIA 1400 ELDORADO - 18
MGX-21 - 14
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on March 19, 2019, 04:19:12 PM
How do sales compare in the rest of the world?  Vespas in Italy I'm guessing dominate 2 wheel sales, but not necessarily everywhere else.  Guzzi are trying to sell to everyone.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 19, 2019, 11:29:52 PM
Guzzis are as rare in Italy as they are anywhere else. While the Italians have a soft spot for them because of their history it's the sort of soft spot that people have for mad uncle Boris who sits in the corner shouting and smells slightly of wee.

The Californias sell like rat sandwiches because people who want a 'Cruiser' generally want something that looks like a Harley. The Cali's don't look like Harleys so they sell like rat sandwiches. They won't sell to more 'Traditional' Guzzi owners because they are absurdly heavy and handle like a fridge.

It was a nice idea but was doomed to failure from the start. I tried to like them, I really did. Good grief, I even bought one! Alt the end of the day though it wasn't what I consider a decent motorbike to be.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 20, 2019, 01:31:12 AM
A couple of years ago we went through a fair few countries in Europe and I saw one smallblock in Salzburg and a big block in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 20, 2019, 02:05:13 AM
The single throttle body does make me smile.

I was a bit surprised too!  I suspect it & the 2-valve heads are responsible for the bike's fat midrange & flexibility.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 20, 2019, 04:54:43 AM
I doubt it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on March 20, 2019, 05:06:52 AM
http://www.guzzistelvio.net/V85ttdoc/v85TTdescr.pdf

Seems to be an internal Piaggio marketing document  :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 20, 2019, 05:22:04 AM
Looks like a sales brochure to me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on March 20, 2019, 05:30:12 AM
The first page says "For internal use only"

Here is some content (Google Translator) for page 13

This new propulsion unit boasts the following technical interventions with respect to the starting platform (V9):
• Heads with new ducts, admission fittings with dedicated shapes.
• Titanium intake valves with increased diameter.
• Distribution unit with roller tappets.
• New camshaft with specific cam profile.
• Aluminum rocker arm rods.
• Head covers and spark plug covers with a new look (left and right).
• Motorized throttle body (single-body diam. 52 mm).
• Enhanced generator.
• Lightened piston with new geometry and 20 mm diameter plug.
• Integral crankshaft with new clutch interface and lightened connecting rod.
• Cylinder with reduced height, modified oil passages and new fixing to the base.
• Base with new frame attachments, reinforcement in the internal stud passage area, additional cylinder fixings, modification oil circuit holes and complete closing of the crankshaft compartment with seat for new oil scraping plate on the lower base.
• Oil level indicators on lower half-shroud (porthole).
• New oil circuit with transfer pump from crankcase of crankcase to crankcase.
• Double oil pump for additional circuit needed to transfer oil from the crank handle to the sump.
• Oil sump with reduced footprint and mountings for sump guard.
• Dry clutch with addition of a reinforcement disc under the clutch mechanism and new clutch disc.
• Gearbox and clutch bell with reduced footprint (removed gearbox oil pump)
• New swingarm connection bearings with reinforced housing area.
• Gearbox with new gear ratios and flexible coupling on clutch shaft, first gear engagement with triple slot.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on March 20, 2019, 06:15:57 AM
Don't understand the aluminum push rods, how much weight are we saving here?   :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on March 20, 2019, 07:43:15 AM
Can anybody confirm that the V85TT has a normal electrical system and not a BMW style Canbus setup?  I'm quite interested in the bike and could just about tolerate ABS, throttle by wire, riding modes etc but if it were to have Canbus it would put me over the edge.

The single throttle body does make me smile.

As an electronics engineer who works a lot especially with the CAN-Bus I can tell you there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. For example I make control systems for fire fighting systems for ships (especially Cruise Ships built by Meyer Werft in Germany, but also a lot of others worldwide). We sometimes have CAN-Bus cables about a kilometre long in an electronically very harsh environment (voltages of about 11 kV for drive systems). As the protocol is very fail safe it simply works! So why should it not work in a simple motorcycle?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on March 20, 2019, 07:48:33 AM
Don't understand the aluminum push rods, how much weight are we saving here?   :shocked:

Its not about saving total weight, its about reducing inertia. Lighter rods can change direction faster assuming the same force is moving them. That translates to higher RPMs. Nothing new about aluminum push rods. The Brits have been using them for many decades.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 20, 2019, 09:44:16 AM
As an electronics engineer who works a lot especially with the CAN-Bus I can tell you there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. For example I make control systems for fire fighting systems for ships (especially Cruise Ships built by Meyer Werft in Germany, but also a lot of others worldwide). We sometimes have CAN-Bus cables about a kilometre long in an electronically very harsh environment (voltages of about 11 kV for drive systems). As the protocol is very fail safe it simply works! So why should it not work in a simple motorcycle?

My idea of a simple motorcycle is one that one day, let's say 40 years from now, I will borrow from somebody who hasn't started it in 10 years.  The original manufacturer will have made let's say 3000 of the model and will by that time have gone out of business.  After some fluid changes and a new battery I'll set off on a trip to Baja California.  The when I am 500 miles from the nearest qualified workshop, let's say at Rancho Santa Inez or Pozo Aleman, some electrical component and some wiring will fall to pieces from age. Neither of those places has ADAC service  :wink:  I will borrow some hardware and a battery powered soldering iron from an 80 year old man who has some in his motorhome in case his trailer wiring fails, and repair whatever needs to be repaired.

By the way that simple motorcycle also needs to be able to cruise at 130 kph for hours, carry a lot of stuff and handle reasonably well on and off road - because that's what it will be used for over the next 50 years.

Canbus is a prominent example of how the European motorcycle industry no longer conceives of bikes maintained outside of a ‘controlled environment’ of commercial dealers locked into money sucking maintenance, without draconian TüV-style dictates on how the vehicle is maintained or modified by its owner, and without roadside recovery to take the bike ‘home’ to the dealer.  None of those things are part of my world, and they never will be.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on March 20, 2019, 11:52:58 AM
Its not about saving total weight, its about reducing inertia. Lighter rods can change direction faster assuming the same force is moving them. That translates to higher RPMs. Nothing new about aluminum push rods. The Brits have been using them for many decades.

Pete

It does make the valvetrain more stable at higher revs, [OK.. so the V guzzi  is not that high of a rev'er...] but it also allows the use of more aggressive cam lobe profiles that pay off throughout the rev range.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on March 20, 2019, 01:19:26 PM
Umm! They've always used alloy pushrods.

Just sayin.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 20, 2019, 03:08:08 PM
Aahhh, but these could be superringstingthing rayguncar ones, guaranteed not to rip, burst, tear or go sideways.....or something. :undecided:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 20, 2019, 04:13:17 PM
Umm! They've always used alloy pushrods.

Just sayin.

 :thumb: Even my bloody old ditch pump V700 has alloy pushrods.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on March 20, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
My idea of a simple motorcycle is one that one day, let's say 40 years from now, I will borrow from somebody who hasn't started it in 10 years.  The original manufacturer will have made let's say 3000 of the model and will by that time have gone out of business.  After some fluid changes and a new battery I'll set off on a trip to Baja California.  The when I am 500 miles from the nearest qualified workshop, let's say at Rancho Santa Ynez or Pozo Aleman, some electrical component and some wiring will fall to pieces from age. Neither of those places has ADAC service  :wink:  I will borrow some hardware and a battery powered soldering iron from an 80 year old man who has some in his motorhome in case his trailer wiring fails, and repair whatever needs to be repaired.

By the way that simple motorcycle also needs to be able to cruise at 130 kph for hours, carry a lot of stuff and handle reasonably well on and off road - because that's what it will be used for over the next 50 years.

Canbus is a prominent example of how the European motorcycle industry no longer conceives of bikes maintained outside of a ‘controlled environment’ of commercial dealers locked into money sucking maintenance, without draconian TüV-style dictates on how the vehicle is maintained or modified by its owner, and without roadside recovery to take the bike ‘home’ to the dealer.  None of those things are part of my world, and they never will be.

You know that since 2003 from the first Breva 1100 guzzi's have a can bus? It's only for communication between dashboard and ecu. Things like revs, speed, startup logic(is the sidestand in). Later models do have ABS also connected to CAN bus. Just to communicate status. The ABS unit needs nothing, it is self contained.  CAN bus is one of the things that have no problems on a Guzzi. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 20, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
It is not a coincidence that the newest of my group of nine motorcycles was made in 2002.  All of them look and run like new and most are rising in value to a greater or lesser extent... unlike a Breva 1100 which like the most of the other Piaggio/Aprilia designed Guzzis since 2003 or so are rapidly being forgotten.

What has survived without too much added complexity and may save the day is the small block.  The V85TT definitely has the potential to turn the tide in terms of annual sales numbers, and I hope it does. If I do buy one it will be because of its simple features and in spite of what I mentioned above.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on March 20, 2019, 06:04:46 PM
Give me a break! I don't care if it canbus can taxi or just plain beer can. As.long as it starts and runs I'm getting one! Lifes too short to worry. Besides you know there will be growing pains and this problem won't be one of them.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 20, 2019, 06:29:28 PM
Give me a break! I don't care if it canbus can taxi or just plain beer can. As.long as it starts and runs I'm getting one! Lifes too short to worry.

Your life is apparently different than mine. Or at least your reason to buy a ‘Classic Enduro’ like the R100GSs I’ve been riding since the 90s.

It’s reasonable for me to consider what happens if I tip a bike like this over and submerge it in a rain wash on the dirt road between El Arco and Guerrero Negro. BTDT.  If a ride-by-wire Hall effect throttle sensor or the throttle plate actuator motor is flooded or otherwise broken, the bike may not start and run all that well for the 800 km ride to the nearest town with a dealer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 20, 2019, 06:47:52 PM
The latest issue of Cycle world just showed up today, and to my surprise the inside back cover consisted of a full page advertisement from Guzzi! 

(https://i.ibb.co/J2bv90k/F0-CE9-B35-33-F1-4-EDB-ADC0-FA78-EED5-AD5-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2bv90k)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 20, 2019, 08:55:28 PM
Give me a break! I don't care if it canbus can taxi or just plain beer can. As.long as it starts and runs I'm getting one! Lifes too short to worry. Besides you know there will be growing pains and this problem won't be one of them.

A bit harsh?  Fear of the unknown is pretty palpable to some people.  One's fears, however ludicrously irrational it seems, are nevertheless very real to those captive to its 'spell'.

M/C electrics/onics are a fickle & capricious necessity.  But you know that already.  You ride a Guzzi.  Previous purveyors of despicably low-purity copper conductors, corrosive connectors, unreliable telltales & switchgear.  To be scared of modern iterations is all-but unneccessary, granted, but it isn't right to mock somebody's 'genuine' concern. 

Being stranded can be intimidating.  I was inadvertently waylaid in Leningrad in the days of the USSR by the tiniest, most insignificant of throttle closure microswitches attached to a BMW/Bobbie Bosch jetronic injection controller.  The engine would start & idle as normal, but would shut down if revved over 1.6-2K RPM.

The thing is, what could've/would've/should've been a disaster turned out to be one of the best times of my life.  I discovered the genuine warmth, kindness, generosity, even love of a people that I had been taught to fear & revile as 'enemies'.  It's a bit of a revelation to not just have the irrationality of one's fears exposed & allayed, but to find a wealth of experience just one consequence of a so-called 'misadventure'.  The realisation that, as a young lad, I'd been deliberately lied to all my life by my own government, teachers & lawmakers was an eye-opener too!

The switch (shorted by rain) dried out partially over a fortnight & I was able proceed forthwith.  The problem was eventually definitively diagnosed & permanently sorted by a friendly Helsinki Police bike mechanic:  the only fellow in the country at that time professionally schooled in mercurial BMW/Bosch injection electronics.

The fact that modern Guzzi electrics, under the tutelage & supervision of one of the world's larger M/C manufacturers are more reliable than ever before is irrelevant.  The fact that the chance of electronic misadventure have likewise been reduced to the point of irrelevance is also invalid.  Someone's fears, genuinely felt, should be respected.  The world can be a scary place to some.  I should know.  I've suffered from mild social phobias for much of my life too.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 20, 2019, 10:00:40 PM
If our mechanical neophyte novelist from down under is trying to characterize me as a techno-phobe, it's probably worth saying that my job is in R&D within the field we are discussing. I run the engineering team on (among other similar projects) a $30M development program to replace a purely mechanical power technology with an electromechanical software controlled solution. We're developing both the hardware and software.  The approach has its pluses and minuses.  I've also made the price of fifteen V85TTs doing fun side work on motorcycle electronics.  Familiarity breeds contempt :grin: 

I would have myself preferred if the V85TT controls and electrical system were closer modeled on the V7: cable throttle, dirt simple, less to buy, less to break, easily field maintainable...  however I can understand that Piaggio wanted to find a middle ground that attracts buyers tired of ridiculous BMW techno-games but still wanting to have some trendy features comparable with the Japanese or Triumph at the same $13K or whatever price level.  That results in a bike less rugged for people with real 'Classic Enduro' needs and interests - but the average buyer worldwide will probably use it as a standard street bike, much like 2019 GS buyers but projecting more 'authenticity'.  It's a good brand building niche, unlike everything they've tried since 2003.

I might buy one...  I like the concept way, way more than anything else Guzzi in the last 15 years, but I'm not convinced it could replace my R100GS for really harsh, remote use. Maybe it could replace my ST4 as a general service two-up with bags touring bike, that depends on the power.  My guess is unchanged at 68 RWHP, or about 2/3 that of the Ducati.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on March 20, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
Give me a break! I don't care if it canbus can taxi or just plain beer can. As.long as it starts and runs I'm getting one! Lifes too short to worry. Besides you know there will be growing pains and this problem won't be one of them.



 :thumb:   nothing wrong with canbus, but fear its self ....... 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on March 21, 2019, 04:56:54 AM
I have no doubt there are plenty of members here who mistrust fuel injection and who won’t buy a bike unless it has points and carburetors.  For years I refused to buy a bike with ABS, riding modes or traction control.  I ride on gravel all the time and ABS isn’t great in that environment, imho.  However, I’ve come around in the last 3-4 years on electronics because after actually TRYING a bike with an electronics package, I found that it enhanced my control of the bike.  The performance envelope expanded.  Both those things were the exact opposite of my decades long, false assumptions. 

This stuff has been around since literbikes went over 130rwhp.    That was a long time ago.  At least 20 years.  Bikes are all about personal preference.  Ride whatever you like but educate yourself.  There’s nothing to be afraid of.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on March 21, 2019, 05:04:38 AM
Canbus merely allows data for different functions to be carried down the same pair of wires.  It represents a huge saving in the amount of individual wires on the bike, reducing the complexity.

I don't agree the Cali 1400 is a failing product.  Failing in what way?  I own two and having nothing but praise for them.

Agree..the Cali is motorcyclings best kept secret..and I like it for that..I have owned more that 50 bikes and its been one of the best. Guzzi in Australia is let down by poor marketing and even taken a step backwards due to the new distributor..at lest before the dealerships were passionate, now in Victoria at least its run by the big bargain store mob.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on March 21, 2019, 07:37:53 AM
Whoa Smithy!

76 KTM Jackpiner?   Boss!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on March 21, 2019, 10:48:54 AM
Given that Mr. Arthur Itis is visiting both of my hands and not going anywhere soon I have to be very conscious of clutch effort.  The Stelvio was too much and my V7 III is pushing it.   Once someone gets their hands on one of these, please let us "old man hand types" know what clutch effort is like.

NC
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on March 21, 2019, 10:55:57 AM
Given that Mr. Arthur Itis is visiting both of my hands and not going anywhere soon I have to be very conscious of clutch effort.  The Stelvio was too much and my V7 III is pushing it.   Once someone gets their hands on one of these, please let us "old man hand types" know what clutch effort is like.

NC

That's the only reason i don't have money down on one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on March 21, 2019, 01:13:42 PM


The V85 has a very light clutch
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 21, 2019, 03:53:03 PM
Given that Mr. Arthur Itis is visiting both of my hands and not going anywhere soon I have to be very conscious of clutch effort.  The Stelvio was too much and my V7 III is pushing it.   Once someone gets their hands on one of these, please let us "old man hand types" know what clutch effort is like.

NC

My first road bike's clutch had such a heavy action that I felt obliged to purchase one of those spring loaded hand exercisers for strengthening the appropriate muscle groups.  It helped (sort of).  That was some 40 years ago.  Recently found it when tidying.  I could barely move it!  Just goes to show, unlike some pathetically shameless braggarts on here, for me the older I get the better I once was....

I've fitted Magura hydraulic clutches to a couple of bikes for myself & my daughter.  Expensive, yes, but providing a lovely soft action with relatively effortless pull, progressive take-up zone & tactile feedback.  For me anyway, it's been a viable solution to stiff &/or heavy clutch actuation.

Reviewers have remarked favourably on the V85's light clutch action.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on March 21, 2019, 07:18:12 PM
The V85 has a very light clutch
lite is in the hands of the ridder. the V7 III is OK for me on a full day of mountain passed but just barley. is it the same or a bit stronger. I'm hopping with the extra torque I might not need to shift as much as on the V7. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on March 21, 2019, 07:25:06 PM
I have no doubt there are plenty of members here who mistrust fuel injection and who won’t buy a bike unless it has points and carburetors.  For years I refused to buy a bike with ABS, riding modes or traction control.  I ride on gravel all the time and ABS isn’t great in that environment, imho.  However, I’ve come around in the last 3-4 years on electronics because after actually TRYING a bike with an electronics package, I found that it enhanced my control of the bike.  The performance envelope expanded.  Both those things were the exact opposite of my decades long, false assumptions. 

This stuff has been around since literbikes went over 130rwhp.    That was a long time ago.  At least 20 years.  Bikes are all about personal preference.  Ride whatever you like but educate yourself.  There’s nothing to be afraid of.

Well said

Two things:-

1) Working on my Stelvio's electronic fuel injection is ridiculously easy. Hex Keys, a Manometer and Guzzidiag, combined with the Pictorials on this blog has my bike burbling along.

2) ABS. I originally pooh poohed the Stelvio's ABS. "I've ridden track bikes, I can brake using two fingers on the front brake, I know what I am doing" ... all of the above until Joe Dingbat got halfway through an intersection and decided to slam the brakes on and turn across the traffic. Slight drizzly rain and slippery roads meant that all I could do was slam the (Front) brake on and hold my breath ....  ABS kicked in and I steered around the trouble and went my merry way. It was only until two intersections later that the adrenaline kicked in and I realized how close I had been to putting the bike down and potentially under ongoing traffic. ABS works !!!!!
Yes I switch it off if I am travelling at speed on gravel roads but I would not buy a bike without it for commuting.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on March 21, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
Well this is a fine mess.  I got this in the mail today and I don't even own the bike yet.

(https://i.ibb.co/tzZjkFT/IMG-5578.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tzZjkFT)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on March 22, 2019, 02:03:36 AM
Whoa Smithy!

76 KTM Jackpiner?   Boss!

Not to highjack the thread but cheers..its a bit two dimensional at the moment as its getting a full birthday. A mate of mine who I would say has Australias largest vinatge KTM (Penton) and SWM collections is giving me a hand to freshen it up.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 22, 2019, 04:17:33 AM
Well this is a fine mess.  I got this in the mail today and I don't even own the bike yet.

(https://i.ibb.co/tzZjkFT/IMG-5578.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tzZjkFT)

That’s a bit self indulgent, isn’t it...?

(https://i.ibb.co/k4BX9L7/2-C681729-6-BCB-4-E50-99-D1-531-F5-FE2-F034.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4BX9L7)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on March 22, 2019, 08:32:24 AM
Always said I like your style.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on March 22, 2019, 02:58:58 PM
Here is my V85TT playlist with all relevant videos and reviews (Italian, German, English, French, Dutch, etc.):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3U2TKTfHX8a36xFKB6ZS5nBE_Xbv42m7
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DaSwami on March 23, 2019, 02:42:29 PM
Here is a fairly lengthy review of the V85 TT

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-first-ride-motorcycle-review?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=03/23/2019_CT&utm_term=Common%20Tread%20%7C%20Combined
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lcarlson on March 23, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
Here is a fairly lengthy review of the V85 TT

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-first-ride-motorcycle-review?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=03/23/2019_CT&utm_term=Common%20Tread%20%7C%20Combined

I’d say that’s a pretty damn good review. Reliability is always something of an unknown with a new model, and no doubt there will be some things to sort out, but that review certainly wouldn’t discourage me from taking the plunge if I was in the market for another middleweight.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 23, 2019, 11:51:32 PM
I think the Revzilla write up is spot on at pointing out the main issues with the V85TT, both positive and negative.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 24, 2019, 03:54:34 AM
The mode button thing got me a bit, but I’ll select “road” and never alter it anyway.
Also I think I’ve changed my mind to this one.
(https://i.ibb.co/8rr6zPX/D5741-E3-F-8-C74-4-F51-9-EFD-411-BC34-D8562.png) (https://ibb.co/8rr6zPX)

(https://i.ibb.co/z4pcPws/787612-A2-AB73-497-E-9304-6-CB59-F577-E23.png) (https://ibb.co/z4pcPws)

can you have 2 car insurance policies (https://carinsuranceguru.org/does-each-driver-need-car-insurance-or-just-each-car)

(Will go nicely with the plate..)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: grame99 on March 24, 2019, 04:45:05 AM
I expect the mode button operates similarly to the V9 and V7iii in that you have to keep it pressed to switch modes - i guess it prevents accidental switches.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 24, 2019, 06:00:28 AM
I donno, but I thought the RevZilla reviewer was trying way too hard to be clever, but then again I feel that way about almost every reviewer except Sir Alan and Jenny Smith.

Reading RevZilla made me wish Dave Searle was still heading MCN.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sheepdog on March 24, 2019, 08:47:57 AM
Yes, the Revzilla review was a bit prejudiced against Guzzis and he didn't seem to realize that both the V85 and V9 engines are smallblock derivitives, but he seemed to like it a great deal. Both the gray and the red/white versions are real lookers. I expect the DRL will be absent from US-versions as it is a Euro requirement.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 24, 2019, 11:15:43 AM
Here is a fairly lengthy review of the V85 TT

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-first-ride-motorcycle-review?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=03/23/2019_CT&utm_term=Common%20Tread%20%7C%20Combined

He quotes The Princess Bride?  Huh? 
He mentions the press ride was follow by a mechanic ... did any of those mechanics need to fix anything on the 7 hour ride on any bike? 
He can't figure out how to press the starter button properly to get into different ride modes?

This guy should not be allowed to ride a Moto Guzzi!   :grin:   He should only ride Hondas. 

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 24, 2019, 11:20:43 AM
He quotes The Princess Bride?  Huh? 
He mentions the press ride was follow by a mechanic ... did any of those mechanics need to fix anything on the 7 hour ride on any bike? 
He can't figure out how to press the starter button properly to get into different ride modes?

This guy should not be allowed to ride a Moto Guzzi!   :grin:   He should only ride Hondas.
I don’t care if he can’t figure it out, as long as I can..!
Do love the sound when working a bit and it looks comfortable.
I’m looking forward to trying to wear it out.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 24, 2019, 11:22:09 AM
I don’t care if he can’t figure it out, as long as I can..!
Do love the sound when working a bit and it looks comfortable.
I’m looking forward to trying to wear it out.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pmillar on March 24, 2019, 01:11:06 PM
...Reading RevZilla made me wish Dave Searle was still heading MCN.

You and me both.  I am letting my subscription expire after 29 years. The recent MCN issue with contributions from former writers/editors got my hopes up, but it's since regressed back to the post Dave Searle mediocrity.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 24, 2019, 05:42:15 PM
I agree 100%  Hindengorf or whatever his name is has ruined MCN.  I have several years left so I'll keep it but I almost only read Glen Keer.
The reviews for bikes are rubbish.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 24, 2019, 05:49:10 PM
I’m the same with Penthouse
I only buy it for the articles... :rolleyes: :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ironman on March 26, 2019, 08:18:43 AM
Keeping us waiting for the V85TT...I feel like a kid in November.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tris on March 26, 2019, 09:00:44 AM
My stepson is VERY keen that I get a V85 so that I can go up in the hills with him on his KTM 300

So much so that he "suggested" that my wife take me on a day trip to see one at our local dealer

The bad news was that we passed it on the way as it went out on a test ride so I didn't get to see it!

Watch this space - the Big Breva might be moved along at some point
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 26, 2019, 10:08:24 AM
Keeping us waiting for the V85TT...I feel like a kid in November.

Welcome.  You looking to buy from Sloans in Murfreesboro?  Bought my V7III Carbon their this past summer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moz on March 26, 2019, 09:18:17 PM
http://www.guzzistelvio.net/V85ttdoc/v85TTdescr.pdf

Seems to be an internal Piaggio marketing document  :wink:

these parts are interesting..
(https://i.ibb.co/5kWzmDN/V85-TT-comparisons1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4V28J2s/V85-TT-comparisons.jpg)

Seems to fit right in the 'Goldilocks' range - at least fer me  :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moz on March 26, 2019, 10:31:05 PM
And not a suspender in sight?!?   :wink:

(https://i.ibb.co/nC1Tw6g/client.jpg)

translation:

Anyone with a V85TT wants to be noticed. He is a motorcyclist who has a story to tell and he does it through a bike that, at first glance, evokes the pleasure of adventure, travel, and the desire to explore. This type of vehicle is designed to meet the needs of two different types of customers:

• One is the mature motorcyclist who is looking for a motorcycle with modern technological contents but which stylistically wants a vehicle that invokes the classic Enduro of the 80s.
• A young and eager adventurer who wants a simple and easy-to-ride motorcycle but is not willing to give up on style. Distinguishing and identifying oneself through the original and authentic style of one's motorcycle is fundamental for this type of customer.

For both it is essential to have a bike that is easy to drive on city routes and on outings, a practice that should be noted for its style. A journey made of passion, for a bike as unique as the personality of the person who chooses it and the guide.

The beard:
"I would like a bike that is simple to drive, practical, that satisfies my desire for adventure both in the city and on trips out of town. With an authentic look that stands out in the motorcycle scene. I want a bike that expresses authenticity of the history and tradition of the brand through its lines.
It must have modern technological contents with the evocative style of the classic 80's enduro."

The dude:
"I would like a bike that is the perfect travel companion for use in the city or outside the city, that meets my desire for adventure and that immediately stands out for its style. A classic / vintage look that communicates authenticity, a symbol of my personality and of what I want. It must have a refined style that does not go unnoticed associated with functionality and practicality, simple to drive and comfortable."
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 27, 2019, 04:45:47 AM
I thing Piaggio marketing hasn't profiled me at all.  But it's just marketing speak, I suppose.  What they say, and what they actually mean, can be often diametrically opposed.  It's a great, simple, uncomplicated tourer.  It has a smattering of safety-oriented acceptably modern tech without going over the top.  It's pleasantly and in this day and age quite rarely simple & uncomplicated too.  Just how I like it.  It has some pretty good bits, plus a few extra essentials too.  Accessories seem to cover a wide range of lifestyle and user roles too.  One might call it crude, I call it simple.  You could reasonably describe it as primitive too.  It's a Guzzi.  What else would you expect?  It's the very antithesis of highly strung.  More raw & a mite uncouth.  Fantastic.

The V85 is for me the most appealing bike they've made for a long, long time.  The big 'uns are for me just too big (read heavy).  Even for a Guzzi, one of the few bike designs that remains capable of 'hiding' a substantial proportion of perceived mass through the longitudinal Vee layout.  From my experience Guzzis tend to feel lighter than they are in reality.  Except the Stelvio.  Fantastic bike, but just too big, heavy and when laden for tour possibly terrifyingly top-heavy too for my old bones.  Only ever ridden one unladen, but it still gives me that impression.  By all means convince me otherwise.

I too believe the new one hits a particularly appealing sweet spot.  (Relatively) light, but sufficiently 'big' to be comfortable.  This is becoming of vital importance for me as I age.  Also sufficiently large and of sufficient, but not excessive weight to capably & comfortably tour well-laden.  Great touring range too (450 safe Km).  The most disappointing aspects of the bike; its tubed tyres and lack of power, are in the 1st. inst. easily & inexpensively remedied, and in the 2nd. in the main I suspect compensated by a particularly flat torque curve, and the pressing reality that I'm now so far removed from my irresponsible teenage years and the realisation that mortality is now an inevitability rather than a far-off eventuality best ignored.  Time for a more reasonable & sedate lifestyle befitting my seniority and responsibilities as both parent & pending grandfather.  Boring?  Maybe.  Sensible; in a bad way, probably.  So what?  Naff off.  It's my life anyway.  I just want to enjoy what remains with my less mature desires for hedonistic enjoyment tempered by the more pressing requirements of longevity & health considerations.

OK.  The V85 is ugly.  In some iterations downright gaudy too.  In the 5 colour & 4 colour 'rainbow flag' versions that visually & almost viscerally assault my innate aesthetic conservatism almost hideous, in fact.  The more I see of that Big MacDonalds Yellow-base one especially the more jarring the discordance of colour becomes.  Thank God there's some toned-down versions too.  3 tone Steel Blue/Black/Silver & the bright but far less jarring or contrasty Red/Black/Silver, in a particularly (slightly unsure here as I've only seen electronic representations of the colour) pretty redder-than-Red-but-not Pillarbox-, Ferrari- or Fire Engine- either.  Then there's the conservative, boring but to my sensibilities classy Grey on Black with Silver.  Just lovely.  I suspect a keeper, in fact.  Probably one of the most attractively ugly bikes available since the demise of the Nuda.  Which is incidentally another benchmark of motorcycle grotesquery.  More than compensated for, it must be said, by being the most fun short-distance ride I've yet to experience away from a full-on big-arse powerful dirt machine.

Ugly is a good thing anyway.  A original, proper Audi Quattro Coupe is ugly.  An English (proper) Bull Terrier is ugly.  Modernist, and especially Brutalist building styles are unashamedly & innately ugly too.  Yet at the same time possessed of a fairly timeless intrinsic beauty that seems to improve with age.  In fact, the exact opposite of me!  It's ugly, but good.  I'm ugly & occasionally pretty useful (but never, ever usefully pretty) too.  Serendipity.  It's a match made in heaven!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 27, 2019, 09:54:35 AM
So I assume when the fancy TFT display goes kaput the bike will not run, that correct? 

So 10 years from now, TFT goes kaput, you buy a new one?  15 years from now?  20? 

Be interesting to see the list price of that. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 27, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
So I assume when the fancy TFT display goes kaput the bike will not run, that correct? 

So 10 years from now, TFT goes kaput, you buy a new one?  15 years from now?  20? 

Be interesting to see the list price of that.

The TFT display will probably last longer than someone's interest in the bike.  If it goes kaput, there are aftermarket instrument makers that will provide suitable replacements. 

This is just one example:  http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=376/mode=cat/cat376.htm
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 27, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
I remember reading that exact same comment about the Carc bikes when they came out in 2005. I can still get everything it might need if something fails. After 12 everything still works. Shrug.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 27, 2019, 12:39:13 PM
The TFT display will probably last longer than someone's interest in the bike.  If it goes kaput, there are aftermarket instrument makers that will provide suitable replacements. 

Resale value for a used bike is driven by the expectations of a buyer now, not the priorities of an average new bike buyer in say 2005.  I think that’s why (for example) my 1990 BMW R100GS worth as much or more today than a 2005 R12GS or Breva: the outlook for the older, simpler bike is better.  This is why when I buy a bike I tend to think about a 40 or 50 year supportable life.  That provides resale value in 10-20 years when I might be selling it.  I don’t often buy something and sell it soon after.

The necessity to modify the instruments of a bike from factory spec to keep it running would reduce value to just above zero.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 27, 2019, 02:03:54 PM
Resale value for a used bike is driven by the expectations of a buyer now, not the priorities of an average new bike buyer in say 2005.  I think that’s why (for example) my 1990 BMW R100GS worth as much or more today than a 2005 R12GS or Breva: the outlook for the older, simpler bike is better.  This is why when I buy a bike I tend to think about a 40 or 50 year supportable life.  That provides resale value in 10-20 years when I might be selling it.  I don’t often buy something and sell it soon after.

The necessity to modify the instruments of a bike from factory spec to keep it running would reduce value to just above zero.

I agree with your statement but not necessarily the reason behind it.  Your 1990 is rarer, is different, and is unique compared to a new GS, whereas an '05 is just an old semi recent design GS.  The value of your GS is actually less, but guys like me who have the money and want one would be willing to pay up to have one.  Conversely, I personally would buy the RnineT Urban GS before I bought a 1990 R100GS if I wanted the retro style.

If a bike is popular enough there will always be support for it.  Whether it is from the manufacturers, the aftermarket, or an enthusiast on a forum. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on March 27, 2019, 02:50:58 PM
Resale value for a used bike is driven by the expectations of a buyer now, not the priorities of an average new bike buyer in say 2005.  I think that’s why (for example) my 1990 BMW R100GS worth as much or more today than a 2005 R12GS or Breva: the outlook for the older, simpler bike is better.  This is why when I buy a bike I tend to think about a 40 or 50 year supportable life.  That provides resale value in 10-20 years when I might be selling it.  I don’t often buy something and sell it soon after.

The necessity to modify the instruments of a bike from factory spec to keep it running would reduce value to just above zero.

Your theory only works when applied to niche bikes.  It's definitely not the case for most motorcycles.  People can't typically ride for 50 years of their life so they certainly don't think of buying a bike with the intention of keeping it that long.  Motorcycles are toys.  Few people buy them as investments or with any intention of keeping it for the long term.  The fact a bike is "simpler" does not add value.  What adds value is exclusivity and an iconic status.     
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 27, 2019, 03:47:22 PM
Its not how long I’m going own the bike, it’s how long the buyer has to ride the bike when its sold by me years from now. That affects what he will pay me, and given that I will likely recycle that money into another bike, car or plane purchase it matters to me.  I’ve had lasting value in mind when buying all my bikes and a quick calculation says current market value for all combined is not much short of double of what I paid.  I didn’t buy any BMW K bikes, Goldwings or other fast depreciating bikes and complexity is in my experience an indicator that a bike will be unattractive to buyers a decade or more from when I buy it.

The relative simplicity of the ‘classic enduro’ concept V85TT speaks well for its long term value, but the fly in the ointment from that point of view may be the electronics.  I sure wish I could buy one with most of that stuff deleted.  I think Piaggio very likely won’t sell replacements for that stuff in 20 years, and the owner will then be reliant on repair in the aftermarket which depending on the volume sold may or may not be available.  So if buy a V85TT as I may, my bet will be steep depreciation to almost nothing some day, like a modern BMW. Whether other buyers are unconcerned is irrelevant to me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 27, 2019, 04:16:02 PM
That's a pretty funny concept to espouse.  Hilarious.  Don't buy anything that doesn't have a guaranteed 50 year life span!  That's it.  I'm dead.  No foodstuffs that i've ever encountered (except honey I'm reliably informed) lasts that long.  Marriages rarely do either.

Where does it end?  Does the same apply to marriage?  Child rearing?  Zum donnerwetter nochmal!  Therein madness lies.  To be scared that a new product/concept/lifestyle choice/path in life might not 'work out' in some way within the subsequent half century is an exercise in insanity!

I get that some nations/races/individuals are fairly scared of the big bad world, but this takes things to a whole new quantum of weirdness.....

If you like something, anything at all, well enough and it's deemed relevant, beneficial, benign and desirable then you surely aren't going to avoid it on the possibility (or even probability) that it might fail, not within your own lifetime, but in that of subsequent owner/s or possessors. 

This ridiculous concept is just so ludicrously, palpably flawed that I can only assume its a rather obtuse form of humour!  To regard it otherwise would render its author certifiable.  Who gives a rat's rectum whether or not it breaks in 50 years time?  Sheesh!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 27, 2019, 04:17:59 PM
Its not how long I’m going own the bike, it’s how long the buyer has to ride the bike when its sold by me years from now. That affects what he will pay me, and given that I will likely recycle that money into another bike, car or plane purchase it matters to me.  I’ve had lasting value in mind when buying all my bikes and a quick calculation says current market value for all combined is not much short of double of what I paid.  I didn’t buy any BMW K bikes, Goldwings or other fast depreciating bikes and complexity is in my experience an indicator that a bike will be unattractive to buyers a decade or more from when I buy it.

The relative simplicity of the ‘classic enduro’ concept V85TT speaks well for its long term value, but the fly in the ointment from that point of view may be the electronics.  I sure wish I could buy one with most of that stuff deleted.  I think Piaggio very likely won’t sell replacements for that stuff in 20 years, and the owner will then be reliant on repair in the aftermarket which depending on the volume sold may or may not be available.  So if buy a V85TT as I may, my bet will be steep depreciation to almost nothing some day, like a modern BMW. Whether other buyers are unconcerned is irrelevant to me.

All those electronics will be easily replaced and upgraded in the future.  You will be able to just put your smart phone on the handlebars and with the aid of an ap some smart kid writes will be able to see everything and more than what the current display shows. 

The part of your theory about value that doesn't make sense is that all bikes that are in good running order from the 1980s sell for more than they were bought for.  Why?  Because todays' bikes are so expensive.  I bought a 1985 Honda Shadow 700 for $2500 new.  All the used ones I am finding that are in good condition and ready to ride anywhere (like I'm sure you keep your bikes) have asking prices much higher. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 27, 2019, 05:28:50 PM
All those electronics will be easily replaced and upgraded in the future.  You will be able to just put your smart phone on the handlebars and with the aid of an ap some smart kid writes will be able to see everything and more than what the current display shows. 

Some of those electronics and software move the throttle on the V85TT, among other control functions, using proprietary hardware and software included in Piaggio supplied parts that aren't going to be available for purchase in I'd estimate 20 years for an Italian product.  Yes, somewhere, somehow, somebody may reverse engineer the controls on some new bikes as they come along, as people including myself have done on previous bikes and in spite of every effort by the manufacturer to stop it.  But as ever changing proprietary controls are more and more interwoven into the design, it gets harder and less rewarding for 'some smart kid'.

Quote from: twowheeladdict
The part of your theory about value that doesn't make sense is that all bikes that are in good running order from the 1980s sell for more than they were bought for.  Why?  Because todays' bikes are so expensive.  I bought a 1985 Honda Shadow 700 for $2500 new.  All the used ones I am finding that are in good condition and ready to ride anywhere (like I'm sure you keep your bikes) have asking prices much higher.

And in contrast, new bikes now depreciate fast and don’t stop until they are very low in market value.  That wasn’t so true before roughly the 90s or 2000s depending on brand.  A Ducati 888 was $14K 30 years ago and a 916 or a Daytona RS was $16K USD in the mid-90s.  Those are all still fairly expensive to buy now.  Part of the way Italian manufacturers have held prices down despite inflation is by substituting cheaper materials and components (plastic) while adding relatively inexpensive electronic features that maintain value as perceived by the new bike buyer.  The issue for me is that this has created steeply depreciating new bikes - a 10-15 year old BMW or Guzzi is worth very little, and it turns me off.  Other places to spend money, like for instance a 50 year old plane, have sucked me in instead  :grin:

BTW, it’s hard to imagine the first 8V Ducatis now 30 years old but it’s true.  50 years is actually a very realistic expectation for the life of a motorcycle.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 27, 2019, 08:47:51 PM
Some of those electronics and software move the throttle on the V85TT, among other control functions, using proprietary hardware and software included in Piaggio supplied parts that aren't going to be available for purchase in I'd estimate 20 years for an Italian product.  Yes, somewhere, somehow, somebody may reverse engineer the controls on some new bikes as they come along, as people including myself have done on previous bikes and in spite of every effort by the manufacturer to stop it.  But as ever changing proprietary controls are more and more interwoven into the design, it gets harder and less rewarding for 'some smart kid'.


Actually, more and more guys are reverse engineering the brains of bikes and selling reflashes that were unheard of a few years ago.  You had to buy fuel controller that manipulated the fuel air mixture after the computer.  Now you just send in the brains of the bike and these guys send you back a new flash.

20 years from now bikes will be autonomous.  LOL!
 
- a 10-15 year old BMW or Guzzi is worth very little, and it turns me off.  Other places to spend money, like for instance a 50 year old plane, have sucked me in instead  :grin:


Now is the time to be buying those 10 - 15 year old bikes.  They can only go up from there.


You must live where bikes are looked at more than they are ridden if you think they will last 50 years.   :huh:  :kiss:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 27, 2019, 10:57:38 PM
Actually, more and more guys are reverse engineering the brains of bikes and selling reflashes that were unheard of a few years ago.  You had to buy fuel controller that manipulated the fuel air mixture after the computer.  Now you just send in the brains of the bike and these guys send you back a new flash.

Wow, that's progress. Going forward I can imagine a situation where a guy like you or I can make his own control maps at home using free software, the install them on an EFI computer that is universal to many different models of bikes, Ducatis, Guzzis, Cagivas, Laverda, MV Agustas you name it.  No software would be installed on the computer itself so if your Guzzi ever needed a computer, you could buy one from a Ducati, Laverda, Cagiva, MV Agusta or even some Fiat cars and they would all interchange regardless of who supplied them.  All you'd need to do would be to physically plug in your home made maps into the replacement computer.

Welcome to the early 1990s  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 27, 2019, 10:59:53 PM
Wow, that's progress. Going forward I can imagine a situation where a guy like you or I can make his your own fuel and ignition maps at home using free software, the install them on an EFI computer that is universal to many different models of bikes, Ducatis, Guzzis, Cagivas, Laverda, MV Agustas you name it.  No software would be installed on the computer itself so if your Guzzi ever needed a computer, you could buy one from a Ducati, Laverda, Cagiva, MV Agusta and they would all interchange.  All you'd need to do would be to physically plug in your old home made maps into the new/used computer.

Welcome to the early 1990s  :grin:
I’m so dumb, I don’t even know if that was sarcasm or not.. :huh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 27, 2019, 11:03:27 PM
How soon we forget  :grin: :grin: :grin:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 27, 2019, 11:41:34 PM
Just looked up V85 TT parts on AF1's website, parts manual is there, but no pricing on parts yet.

So I looked up the TFT display price on a Yamaha Tracer, $335.  On a KTM 1290 it is $573.  Be interesting to see what the V85's will be. 

And what made me think of this is ... I was recently looking at a Quota, 19 years old, and wasn't super worried about keeping the bike running.  But if it had an unobtainium electronic controller part that if it died the bike would then be unusable, that's a whole other world to worry/think about.

So I guess ... hope they sell a ton of these ... hope they use that same TFT display on tons of other bikes ... hope that when it goes kaput 8 or 10 or 12 or ?? years down the road you can buy a new one or find a used one to get your bike going again.

And I guess ... is it confirmed that dead TFT = bike doesn't run?  I'd rather see those just be status displays ... so if they broke then you could not see your pretty tach lights on blinkers on warning or fuel level but the bike keeps running. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on March 28, 2019, 12:44:43 AM
And I guess ... is it confirmed that dead TFT = bike doesn't run?  I'd rather see those just be status displays ... so if they broke then you could not see your pretty tach lights on blinkers on warning or fuel level but the bike keeps running.

Maybe it will.  But the lack of a speedo will soon allow you to pay more in speeding fines than the cost of a new TFT dashboard.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 28, 2019, 01:16:22 AM
What a bunch of nervous Nellies.  All this pathetic angst & hand-wringing over the exceedingly remote possibility that a particular part MIGHT actually fail, AND the yet remoter probability that it may not be either reparable or even replaceable in a few decades.  It won't/it will, so grow up.  It's infantile & unseemly.

If such intangible improbabilities as remote & bizarre as these flights of fancy are going to prevent you from buying a car, bike, television, whatever less than 50 years old then you're idiots.  Because here's the deal.  50 year old technology is actually LESS RELIABLE than the best of contemporary equivalents.  Despite all these pathetic bleatings to the contrary.  Newer stuff almost invariably has superior performance, features and reliability too.  Old stuff is nice because it's old.  Use it regularly and as heavily as one would normally and it'll break, in regular and expensive ways BECAUSE it's old.

Anything & everything will eventually break, however old, well-worn things generally not only fail more often, but usually more catastrophically too.  It may actually cost more to fix too because it's old...

Tell you what.  When I buy my next bike and it actually breaks down irreparably 50 years from now, you can metaphorically thumb your nose at me in spiteful but smugly well-deserved schadenfreude, calling out to me tauntingly "well I told you so, dickhead"!  Except that I'll be long-dead.  You will be too probably.  But in the meantime I'll have had a few decades of relatively trouble-free enjoyment from this supposedly oh-so unreliable 'lemon' of a bike.  I might even possibly have 'too much' enjoyment & actually break it;  maybe myself too!  Oh dear!  Whereas you'll go without because you're scared.  Who's the real dickhead?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on March 28, 2019, 03:03:23 AM
Well, in my V7 Stone from 2013 not the electronics caused me worry, but a spring in the gearbox broke and forced me into an expensive repair. I believe this type of spring in used in the gearbox of the smallblock since 1978...

Being an electronician myself I think this discussion is funny.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 28, 2019, 05:23:10 AM
This got wildly entertaining.
Thank you.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on March 28, 2019, 05:45:06 AM
Some of those electronics and software move the throttle on the V85TT, among other control functions, using proprietary hardware and software included in Piaggio supplied parts that aren't going to be available for purchase in I'd estimate 20 years for an Italian product.  Yes, somewhere, somehow, somebody may reverse engineer the controls on some new bikes as they come along, as people including myself have done on previous bikes and in spite of every effort by the manufacturer to stop it.  But as ever changing proprietary controls are more and more interwoven into the design, it gets harder and less rewarding for 'some smart kid'.

And in contrast, new bikes now depreciate fast and don’t stop until they are very low in market value.  That wasn’t so true before roughly the 90s or 2000s depending on brand.  A Ducati 888 was $14K 30 years ago and a 916 or a Daytona RS was $16K USD in the mid-90s.  Those are all still fairly expensive to buy now.  Part of the way Italian manufacturers have held prices down despite inflation is by substituting cheaper materials and components (plastic) while adding relatively inexpensive electronic features that maintain value as perceived by the new bike buyer.  The issue for me is that this has created steeply depreciating new bikes - a 10-15 year old BMW or Guzzi is worth very little, and it turns me off.  Other places to spend money, like for instance a 50 year old plane, have sucked me in instead  :grin:

BTW, it’s hard to imagine the first 8V Ducatis now 30 years old but it’s true.  50 years is actually a very realistic expectation for the life of a motorcycle.

The 888 was an iconic motorcycle.  Saying it's collectible because it's simple is just...you're just wrong.  Motorcycles that create benchmarks are collectible whether they're simple or technological marvels.  A motorcycle is not more collectible or valuable because it has carbs vs. FI.  It may be more appealing to certain buyers but appeal to a very small, niche group isn't the same as being collectible.

The depreciation of bikes hasn't changed.  They all depreciate similarly for 10-15 years before some begin appreciating.  The ones that appreciate aren't the simplest.  A Kawasaki 99-2000 ZRX1100 has depreciated much less than a 98' Ducati 916.  The ZRX was available everywhere for about 7 grand new.  The Ducati was twice that.  They're within a two thousand dollars on the used market in similar condition.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on March 28, 2019, 06:13:53 AM
Its the immobilizer keys that a lot are coming with/have that scare me...  Working in the car world for many years, Ive seen cars that have been scrapped becouse the cost of keys, computers, and programing has excedded the cost of the car.. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 28, 2019, 06:31:02 AM
What a bunch of nervous Nellies.  All this pathetic angst & hand-wringing over the exceedingly remote possibility that a particular part MIGHT actually fail, AND the yet remoter probability that it may not be either reparable or even replaceable in a few decades.  It won't/it will, so grow up.  It's infantile & unseemly.

If such intangible improbabilities as remote & bizarre as these flights of fancy are going to prevent you from buying a car, bike, television, whatever less than 50 years old then you're idiots.  Because here's the deal.  50 year old technology is actually LESS RELIABLE than the best of contemporary equivalents.  Despite all these pathetic bleatings to the contrary.  Newer stuff almost invariably has superior performance, features and reliability too.  Old stuff is nice because it's old.  Use it regularly and as heavily as one would normally and it'll break, in regular and expensive ways BECAUSE it's old.

Anything & everything will eventually break, however old, well-worn things generally not only fail more often, but usually more catastrophically too.  It may actually cost more to fix too because it's old...

Tell you what.  When I buy my next bike and it actually breaks down irreparably 50 years from now, you can metaphorically thumb your nose at me in spiteful but smugly well-deserved schadenfreude, calling out to me tauntingly "well I told you so, dickhead"!  Except that I'll be long-dead.  You will be too probably.  But in the meantime I'll have had a few decades of relatively trouble-free enjoyment from this supposedly oh-so unreliable 'lemon' of a bike.  I might even possibly have 'too much' enjoyment & actually break it;  maybe myself too!  Oh dear!  Whereas you'll go without because you're scared.  Who's the real dickhead?

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 28, 2019, 08:52:54 AM
I own and regularly ride ten beautiful motorcycles, two airplanes and three cars so oddly enough I don't think I'm "going without", and won't be any time I the forseeable future  :grin:  Thinking about money, principally whether objects appreciate or depreciate, is how I got them.  :thumb:

That plus modifying Guzzi electronics for others and making enough to buy a house, based on knowledge.

One might ask "who's the real loser?", tangibly, and I know the answer.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 28, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Just looked up V85 TT parts on AF1's website, parts manual is there, but no pricing on parts yet.

So I looked up the TFT display price on a Yamaha Tracer, $335.  On a KTM 1290 it is $573.  Be interesting to see what the V85's will be. 

And what made me think of this is ... I was recently looking at a Quota, 19 years old, and wasn't super worried about keeping the bike running.  But if it had an unobtainium electronic controller part that if it died the bike would then be unusable, that's a whole other world to worry/think about.

So I guess ... hope they sell a ton of these ... hope they use that same TFT display on tons of other bikes ... hope that when it goes kaput 8 or 10 or 12 or ?? years down the road you can buy a new one or find a used one to get your bike going again.


Thanks for that info.  The best bet IMHO if you want a V85TT and with many newer bikes is to buy it, enjoy it and sell it after a few years, keeping it under warranty if you're so inclined.  Or alternately buy a used one in two years, buy some spare parts too and run it a long time, until it's fully depreciated and you've extracted your value through use. Plan on selling it for nothing at that point, just like a car or a late model BMW bike.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JohninVT on March 28, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
I own and regularly ride ten beautiful motorcycles, two airplanes and three cars so oddly enough I don't think I'm "going without", and won't be any time I the forseeable future  :grin:  Thinking about money, principally whether objects appreciate or depreciate, is how I got them.  :thumb:

That plus modifying Guzzi electronics for others and making enough to buy a house, based on knowledge.

One might ask "who's the real loser?", tangibly, and I know the answer.

Knuckle Dragger was out of line calling you a dickhead.  Then you patted yourself on the back and bragged about your bikes, planes and house before calling him a loser.  I don't think I'd have a beer with either of you based on this thread.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 28, 2019, 09:53:41 AM
Knuckle Dragger was out of line calling you a dickhead.  Then you patted yourself on the back and bragged about your bikes, planes and house before calling him a loser.  I don't think I'd have a beer with either of you based on this thread.   

Fair enough.  I like facts, not BS and prefer to drink beer with my wife.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 28, 2019, 09:55:20 AM
What a bunch of nervous Nellies.  All this pathetic angst & hand-wringing over the exceedingly remote possibility that a particular part MIGHT actually fail, AND the yet remoter probability that it may not be either reparable or even replaceable in a few decades.  It won't/it will, so grow up.  It's infantile & unseemly.

If such intangible improbabilities as remote & bizarre as these flights of fancy are going to prevent you from buying a car, bike, television, whatever less than 50 years old then you're idiots.  Because here's the deal.  50 year old technology is actually LESS RELIABLE than the best of contemporary equivalents.  Despite all these pathetic bleatings to the contrary.  Newer stuff almost invariably has superior performance, features and reliability too.  Old stuff is nice because it's old.  Use it regularly and as heavily as one would normally and it'll break, in regular and expensive ways BECAUSE it's old.

Anything & everything will eventually break, however old, well-worn things generally not only fail more often, but usually more catastrophically too.  It may actually cost more to fix too because it's old...

Tell you what.  When I buy my next bike and it actually breaks down irreparably 50 years from now, you can metaphorically thumb your nose at me in spiteful but smugly well-deserved schadenfreude, calling out to me tauntingly "well I told you so, dickhead"!  Except that I'll be long-dead.  You will be too probably.  But in the meantime I'll have had a few decades of relatively trouble-free enjoyment from this supposedly oh-so unreliable 'lemon' of a bike.  I might even possibly have 'too much' enjoyment & actually break it;  maybe myself too!  Oh dear!  Whereas you'll go without because you're scared.  Who's the real dickhead?

So you've never owned a Griso with a non working dash, right?   And a person that has one of those bikes sitting in the garage, unable to run, should comfort themselves that they don't ALL break?  And that person should not wonder "why did they design something where an informational display breaking can prevent the motorcycle from working?  Couldn't they have designed this a wee bit differently so that wasn't the situation?"

And why do you think your thoughts & opinions are "right" and people with different ones you want to insult?   Like I would prefer tubeless wheels/tires but I don't insult/berate people who like wheels with tubes in them. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on March 28, 2019, 12:04:06 PM
 Chill fellas .

 Dusty
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 28, 2019, 03:29:06 PM
Its the immobilizer keys that a lot are coming with/have that scare me...  Working in the car world for many years, Ive seen cars that have been scrapped becouse the cost of keys, computers, and programing has excedded the cost of the car..

A couple of years ago a garage that my son does work for was burgled and the office set on fire.  In the office were about a dozen keys for various mainly Euro high zoot vehicles.  The upshot of this was that many only had that one key.  Not only did the motor immobilize, so did the transmissions.  The manufacturers could not come up with the codes to go with a new key, consequently most had to be scrapped.

Scary stuff!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on March 28, 2019, 06:04:48 PM
Maybe it will.  But the lack of a speedo will soon allow you to pay more in speeding fines than the cost of a new TFT dashboard.
my phone already a gps / multi function speedo
problem is not screen but immobilser
i have a ducati scrambler will not run without speedo —— $1200 for new
may be cheaper to fit aftermarket ecu
but stuck in scrub you are walking
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: dxhall on March 28, 2019, 07:37:14 PM
And for those with money in their pockets — a Florida dealer is now listing V85 TTs on eBay. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on March 29, 2019, 06:29:02 PM
TFT display is just that a display most likley the same one from a Ducati or something similar with a different plastic bezel providing the software to drive it and interface with the rest of the bike is avalible the display itself is most likely generic. Aircraft with glass cockpits went through this about 35years ago, the displays are more reliable interchangable and easier to maintain. In another thread people talk about the geartrain than runs a supercharger on a radial motor. See if you can find the mess syncros servos motor cogs and gears that makes an analouge HSI or FDI work with an Inertial Navigation Unit.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 29, 2019, 08:33:36 PM
TFT display is just that a display most likley the same one from a Ducati or something similar with a different plastic bezel providing the software to drive it and interface with the rest of the bike is avalible the display itself is most likely generic. Aircraft with glass cockpits went through this about 35years ago, the displays are more reliable interchangable and easier to maintain. In another thread people talk about the geartrain than runs a supercharger on a radial motor. See if you can find the mess syncros servos motor cogs and gears that makes an analouge HSI or FDI work with an Inertial Navigation Unit.

Planes owned by normal people like you and I don't actually have an inertial navigation unit... never have and never will.   We don't own and fly jets, we fly simple aircraft all over the map and fix them with money taken from normal salaries...no different than most motorcyclists.

On my plane, I am tremendously aware that flat panel displays and proprietary software and data make a very challenging and expensive logistical challenge.  If for example your Garmin G1000 quits while you are in a remote location, you have a major problem because the plane cannot be flown - everything is dead.  And it happens.  Sound familiar?  Software updates are also a big, expensive issue - Garmin Aviation and others like them live off the money stream.  And this is for systems that are common across many types of aircraft, not just one.

This lack of practicality is a big deal for some of us operating our own individually funded aircraft on modest budgets, and one of the things that makes me acutely aware when the same thing (or worse) is occurring to motorcycles.  I also know wealthy people in Europe who absolutely will not get on the flat panel bandwagon...  because they don't want for example to get stuck in Croatia, flying in parts and mechanic from Germany to get them airborne.  There is a middle ground, individual digital instruments (e.g. Garmin G5) and that's good, but what is happening in the real, owner operated and maintained world is that aircraft owners are choosing their instrumentation and control options very carefully with the knowledge that the plane and panel will likely outlive them and needs to be maintainable for a long time...  something that motorcycle owners aren't going to be able to do until Guzzi introduces a V85TT 'Basic' for people like me. 

('Basic' is a reference to the BMW model of the late nineties, the last of the so-called Airheads produced but never sold in the US)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 29, 2019, 09:44:08 PM
“No difference from motorcycles”, except for a number of magnitudes more money.   But I get it’s all relative.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on March 31, 2019, 08:24:41 AM
Wish they would use analog instruments for speedo and tach and provide an interface for cellphone/iPad for those that feel the need for barometric pressure, sea levels, and pollen counts...*suspender snap*
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: calfruit on March 31, 2019, 10:11:00 AM
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-first-ride-motorcycle-review?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=03/30/2019_CT&utm_term=Common%20Tread%20%7C%20Combined

V85 test ride!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on March 31, 2019, 10:37:50 AM
Good catch! :thumb:

I enjoyed the article and also noted the specs at the bottom say it has a 6 gallon tank, which I had not noticed any place else. (Perhaps I just missed it.)

Although not a dedicated off roader, I would expect this bike to do be a versatile platform. I figure it would at least as good as its bigger sibling.

John Henry 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 31, 2019, 11:02:30 AM
“It is ridiculously fun. I completely and totally 100 percent understand why Guzzi guys are so fervent.”

“ I would ride it to all my friends’ houses and contort my face as I tried to convince them to buy one as well: “You have to understand, dude: This thing will change your life! You don’t even know who you are yet, man, because you haven’t yet ridden a Guzzi!”


I guess he liked the bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 31, 2019, 02:21:18 PM
i don't subscribe to any magazines anymore.  but, when i did, i remember that at the end of the publishing season around june, the moto guzzis would get reviewed.  the most positive things the review's said concerned the "character", but they were hardly ringing endorsements.  these are the first series of reviews i can remember where the reviewers were very positive if not "over the moon" about a guzzi.  i hope this bears out in reality when the bikes hit the dealerships. time will tell.  but being newer to the mg world, i am optimistic that it will be a hit.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on March 31, 2019, 04:15:03 PM
Good detailed review, probably the best to date. And humorous. Didn't like the Piaggio hype much, but did like "being followed all day by a dedicated mechanic".
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on March 31, 2019, 04:58:09 PM
Here in the UK the first real user reports are coming through and they are extremely positive. In fact one chap posed the very real question - "Is Guzzi ready for the kind of success this thing might have"?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 31, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
wow, we've really gotten off course with all this electronics chat. 

We know the real point of fightin' is about the 80 HP claim,  LIE or TRUE?  ???     :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:



 :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on March 31, 2019, 06:55:47 PM
Just looked up V85 TT parts on AF1's website, parts manual is there, but no pricing on parts yet

Here you go...

https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=3299
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on March 31, 2019, 07:00:34 PM
And on ebay ...see now that didn't take long at all :)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-Moto-Guzzi-V85-TT/113700803233?hash=item1a791892a1:g:3xoAAOSwUElcnTq-


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-Moto-Guzzi-V85-TT-Adventure/113700803927?hash=item1a79189557:g:OnUAAOSwxL1cnTpm
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 31, 2019, 09:09:58 PM
We know the real point of fightin' is about the 80 HP claim,  LIE or TRUE?  ???     :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

It really surprises me that nobody has dyno'd one yet. I've been Googling for independent dyno test results every week or so, and have yet to see any.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on March 31, 2019, 09:41:09 PM
i don't subscribe to any magazines anymore.  but, when i did, i remember that at the end of the publishing season around june, the moto guzzis would get reviewed.  the most positive things the review's said concerned the "character", but they were hardly ringing endorsements.  these are the first series of reviews i can remember where the reviewers were very positive if not "over the moon" about a guzzi.  i hope this bears out in reality when the bikes hit the dealerships. time will tell.  but being newer to the mg world, i am optimistic that it will be a hit.

You're not old enough. 1998 EV by cycle world I think picked cruiser of the year. Guzzi built a bunch that died for years in the showroom.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on April 01, 2019, 05:20:50 AM
wow, we've really gotten off course with all this electronics chat. 

We know the real point of fightin' is about the 80 HP claim,  LIE or TRUE?  ???     :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:



 :popcorn:

Are you referring to a dynamometer?  Somebody has:  71.6 from memory, but exactly what I don't recall.  PS or HP I suppose.  Is that good or bad?  Never been all that particularly interested in mere numbers myself, so I wouldn't know how that stacks up agin stated claims.  I'm sure there's some HP geeks & specfreaks out there who actually know & care about such esoterica.

Only one or 2 riders have so far described it as gutless, so it must be acceptable.  Compared to what, I wonder?  Triumph's ADV is supposedly a better roadie, & the 'Chinese' BMW & the troublesome new KTM 790 are far better dirties apparently.  Almost to a man (there's been a couple of women testers too thankfully) have stated however that the engine seems to have great midrange flexibility, as well as a smooth, snatch-free bottom end.  That's a pretty good allround endorsement of the power characteristics I'd surmise.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on April 01, 2019, 05:58:21 AM
Are you referring to a dynamometer?  Somebody has:  71.6 from memory, but exactly what I don't recall.  PS or HP I suppose.  Is that good or bad?  Never been all that particularly interested in mere numbers myself, so I wouldn't know how that stacks up agin stated claims.  I'm sure there's some HP geeks & specfreaks out there who actually know & care about such esoterica.

Only one or 2 riders have so far described it as gutless, so it must be acceptable.  Compared to what, I wonder?  Triumph's ADV is supposedly a better roadie, & the 'Chinese' BMW & the troublesome new KTM 790 are far better dirties apparently.  Almost to a man (there's been a couple of women testers too thankfully) have stated however that the engine seems to have great midrange flexibility, as well as a smooth, snatch-free bottom end.  That's a pretty good allround endorsement of the power characteristics I'd surmise.

Its a 850, that never will be an 1151. The torque is adequate, but not what my stelvio does. In europe we had the breva/griso/norge 850. Never loud complaints about their power, they have 75hp on paper. So 5 less then the v85
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 01, 2019, 06:00:12 AM
i am definitely old enough.  must have missed that one.  i also remember a great article from the early 80s about the lemans in cycle or rider.  but, you have to admit, these are pretty few and far between.  i guess bike of the year is like car of the year for motor trend, the kiss of death. well, i hope all that changes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on April 01, 2019, 07:44:12 AM
Saw a silver V85 TT in the flesh at an exhibition on Saturday.
At first sight I thought it was a Stelvio, I had expected it to be smaller.

Anyway, the guy representing Piaggio (actually my local Guzzi mechanic!  :grin:) said Piaggio had been surprised by the demand and that they presently couldn't meet demand in Europe.
Seems this is (relative) hit. My source also said his impression was the buyers were "not very young...."  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on April 01, 2019, 07:56:42 AM
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-first-ride-motorcycle-review?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=03/23/2019_CT&utm_term=Common%20Tread%20%7C%20Combined

I think this is a good (and well-written) review that someone posted earlier. It gives very positive feedback on the bike and the riding character of a Guzzi in general. The writer also acknowledges the traditional, typical quirks of a Guzzi bike and the quality control/reliability of owning one. Addressing those concerns would be as important for the brand as offering competitive horsepower.

More articles by the same author-

https://themotorcycleobsession.com/author/chris2801182/

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on April 01, 2019, 09:12:40 AM
Are you referring to a dynamometer?  Somebody has:  71.6 from memory, but exactly what I don't recall.  PS or HP I suppose.  Is that good or bad?  Never been all that particularly interested in mere numbers myself, so I wouldn't know how that stacks up agin stated claims.  I'm sure there's some HP geeks & specfreaks out there who actually know & care about such esoterica.

Only one or 2 riders have so far described it as gutless, so it must be acceptable.  Compared to what, I wonder?  Triumph's ADV is supposedly a better roadie, & the 'Chinese' BMW & the troublesome new KTM 790 are far better dirties apparently.  Almost to a man (there's been a couple of women testers too thankfully) have stated however that the engine seems to have great midrange flexibility, as well as a smooth, snatch-free bottom end.  That's a pretty good allround endorsement of the power characteristics I'd surmise.

Thanks for that number.  I'd agree that midrange power is more important than peak power.  My R100GS is good for something like 48 RWHP and is a perfectly adequate touring bike.  However, given that we know from road tests that the engine is much improved over previous small blocks, and that 80 HP (the Piaggio engine dyno number) isn't what you actually get for acclereration, the peak number is of considerable interest.  If it is 71 HP peak that's pretty good when combined with good midrange power, validates that Piaggio probably isn't lying about 80 HP at the crank, and is close to the number (68 RWHP) that I'd guessed based on percentage losses for other shaft drive bikes.

It's about the same power as a 650 V-Strom but done with an easily serviced air cooled 850 cc engine and pushrods instead of water cooled 650 cc and DOHC.  The engine upgrade seems to be a pretty good effort.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on April 01, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
You're not old enough. 1998 EV by cycle world I think picked cruiser of the year. Guzzi built a bunch that died for years in the showroom.

It was Cycle World.  My impression was that V11EVs sold pretty well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on April 01, 2019, 12:38:40 PM

the buyers were "not very young...."  :rolleyes:

and why would they be?  Young buyers in general that are buying motorcycles are buying used or new bikes in the $6000 and less range. 

There are a lot of offerings in every category for the young buyer who doen't want to carry a lot of debt for something that they may lose interest in.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on April 01, 2019, 06:32:19 PM
i am definitely old enough.  must have missed that one.  i also remember a great article from the early 80s about the lemans in cycle or rider.  but, you have to admit, these are pretty few and far between.  i guess bike of the year is like car of the year for motor trend, the kiss of death. well, i hope all that changes.

LOL
In Australia one of the car magazines gave the 1975(?) "Car of the Year" to the Leyland P76.
Its only redeeming feature is that you could fit a 44 gallon (205litre) drum in the boot.
Car died an inglorious death within about 18 months.

(Await incoming flak from P76 devotees ... the car has a cult following by (IMHO) S & M devotees  :popcorn: :evil:)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on April 02, 2019, 12:21:14 AM
LOL
In Australia one of the car magazines gave the 1975(?) "Car of the Year" to the Leyland P76.
Its only redeeming feature is that you could fit a 44 gallon (205litre) drum in the boot.
Car died an inglorious death within about 18 months.

(Await incoming flak from P76 devotees ... the car has a cult following by (IMHO) S & M devotees  :popcorn: :evil:)

I'll jump for the bait, Paul!

I think the P76 was a landmark car as far as Oz is concerned.  A fine effort of truly indigenous development & manufacture.  It won COTY for valid reasons.  The suspension setup was inspired, and the car had a steering/ride/handling balance to it that wasn't bettered by the others (GMH & Ford I mean, Valiants always tended to be a bit 'wallowy' or floaty @ speed) until the advent of the much-vaunted Radial Tuned Suspension of the much later 70s.

Yes, it's best-remembered 'gimmick' was the capacity for a 44, but it also had the ability to handle predictably well with that 200kg load hanging behind the rear axle as a massive pendulum.  The 2.6 motor was a bit of a dog, but the bent 8 was magical.  The 4.4 was powerful, revvy, lightweight (all alloy - pretty radical for those days) and fairly torquey.  An ideal match to the wishbone front & independent??/live axle??  (can't remember) rear-end chassis.

As a road car it was far superior to the pretty ordinary Kingswood, Monaro & Falcon competitors.  Maybe not a match on power:  the 302, 308, 350 & 351 eights were not only more powerful, but, cast in grey iron also a whole lot heavier too.  300kg+, in fact!  In those days, remember, Holden's racing cars were XU/1 Toranas with the venerable 186 & 202 sixes with triple Strombergs?? SUs?? & the extraordinary Six-Pack Valiant Charger with a big 265 hemi six.  The only big V8 racer was the full-on blueprinted GTHO Phase 3 with race kitted induction & close-ratio gearbox.  You may also recall that these monsters still had a drum braked rear ends too!  A deadly combination.

That Leyland/Buick 4.4 eight was superb, smooth and reliable.  It saw service (in 3.5l configuration) in hundreds of thousands or Range & Land Rovers, Rover 3500 Saloons and SD1s for well over 30 years, and was regarded by enthusiasts as the ideal engine transplant for Triumph's unreliable dog of a bent eight in their Stag luxo-sports cars.

I had a second hand P76 Targa Florio saloon with twin headlamps.  It was great.  Smooth, powerful, great Borg Warner 'box, safe brakes, fabulous (for the times) balance and rear-drive dynamics.  The polarising wedge styling was a bit in your face, but in reality was just a bit too 'modern' for contemporary conservative Australian tastes.  Early build examples had (in common with all Leyland's output) quality & reliability issues.  My own however had a totally blemish-free record of admittedly only 3 years duration.  I suspect that the real reason for the car's demise was that it was released on the immediate cusp of the OPEC engineered so-called fuel crisis, and that potential owners were scared of all V8 powered behemoths, Leyland included.  In fact Ford dropped ALL V8s for many years afterwards!

The triple whammy of rapidly increasing prices of fuel imports, early teething troubles and Australia's pathetic 'tall poppy' aversion to innovation lead to its (in my opinion anyway) premature & undeserved demise.

Now if you want to talk about Australia's automotive dogs, then think back to Leyland's Marina Six with that same 2.6 P76 motor in a dangerously under suspended, underbraked small body much better suited to a mere 4 cylinders.  Or even worse, the almost lethal equivalent that was Chrysler's Centura (It's a Sensation!!) with another big hemi six shoehorned in!

I note that some likewise almost gleefully seize upon each & every possible negative aspect or commentary on Guzzi's new bike.  Yes, its different.  No, it's not yet another iteration of the venerable 'big block'.  That motor, at least as it currently exists in 1.0-1.2L form, is all but officially dead & buried, killed off by impending Eurozone emissions, efficiency & noise regulations.  In all probability never to return.

I think the V85 is pretty good.  Maybe a bit 'compromised' in some aspects such as easily remedied tubed wheels, 'mere' 2 valved heads (which imbibes at least some of its reported flexibility) and in its 'difference' to most (but crucially not all) models that have gone before.

I'm guessing that this is pretty well a make-or-break bike for MG.  If it fails, so too I'd imagine does the whole kit & caboodle of Moto Guzzi as a manufacturer.  Realistically, MG is no Bugatti or Maserati loss-leader for an indulgent larger parent to keep bankrolling ad infinitum.  It must-needs pay its way within Piaggio.  To blaze a commercial trail for the promised 'new family' of cycles based upon this powerplant & chassis to follow.

From what I've read, it appears to be an exceptionally cleverly designed bike which surprises many riders in being a fairly well-rounded package beyond the actual sum of its fairly modest parts, genuinely (at least for the most part) made in Italy & selling at an 'competitive' price.  The fact that it's 'different' is I personally believe to be applauded rather than denigrated.  It's pretty smart, brave and well-nuanced market positioning in my estimation.  Well deserving of the success it seems to be generating.

I still hate those gaudy colour stripes, 'though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Paul Brooking on April 02, 2019, 03:42:36 AM

Well argued.  :thumb:

My memories are of my father test driving a P76, a Kingswood and a Falcon
He then went and bought a Mazda 929
He didn’t return to Ford until the late ‘80’s

I’m looking forward to the V85
I’ll compare it my Stelvio and then consider purchase


I'll jump for the bait, Paul!

I think the P76 was a landmark car as far as Oz is concerned.  A fine effort of truly indigenous development & manufacture.  It won COTY for valid reasons.  The suspension setup was inspired, and the car had a steering/ride/handling balance to it that wasn't bettered by the others (GMH & Ford I mean, Valiants always tended to be a bit 'wallowy' or floaty @ speed) until the advent of the much-vaunted Radial Tuned Suspension of the much later 70s.

Yes, it's best-remembered 'gimmick' was the capacity for a 44, but it also had the ability to handle predictably well with that 200kg load hanging behind the rear axle as a massive pendulum.  The 2.6 motor was a bit of a dog, but the bent 8 was magical.  The 4.4 was powerful, revvy, lightweight (all alloy - pretty radical for those days) and fairly torquey.  An ideal match to the wishbone front & independent??/live axle??  (can't remember) rear-end chassis.

As a road car it was far superior to the pretty ordinary Kingswood, Monaro & Falcon competitors.  Maybe not a match on power:  the 302, 308, 350 & 351 eights were not only more powerful, but, cast in grey iron also a whole lot heavier too.  In those days, remember, Holden's racing cars were XU/1 Toranas with the venerable 186 & 202 sixes with triple Strombergs?? SUs?? & the extraordinary Six-Pack Valiant Charger with a big 265 hemi six.  The only big V8 racer was the full-on blueprinted GTHO Phase 3 with race kitted induction & close-ratio gearbox.  You may also recall that these monsters still had a drum braked rear ends too!  A deadly combination.

That Leyland/Buick 4.4 eight was superb, smooth and reliable.  It saw service (in 3.5l configuration) in hundreds of thousands or Range & Land Rovers, Rover 3500 Saloons and SD1s for well over 30 years, and was regarded by enthusiasts as the ideal engine transplant for Triumph's unreliable dog of a bent eight in their Stag luxo-sports cars.

I had a second hand P76 Targa Florio saloon with twin headlamps.  It was great.  Smooth, powerful, great Borg Warner 'box, safe brakes, fabulous (for the times) balance and rear-drive dynamics.  The polarising wedge styling was a bit in your face, but in reality was just a bit too 'modern' for contemporary conservative Australian tastes.  Early build examples had (in common with all Leyland's output) quality & reliability issues.  My own however had a totally blemish-free record of admittedly only 3 years duration.  I suspect that the real reason for the car's demise was that it was released on the immediate cusp of the OPEC engineered so-called fuel crisis, and that potential owners were scared of all V8 powered behemoths, Leyland included.  In fact Ford dropped ALL V8s for many years afterwards!

The triple whammy of rapidly increasing prices of fuel imports, early teething troubles and Australia's pathetic 'tall poppy' aversion to innovation lead to its (in my opinion anyway) premature & undeserved demise.

Now if you want to talk about Australia's automotive dogs, then think back to Leyland's Marina Six with that same 2.6 P76 motor in a dangerously under suspended, underbraked small body much better suited to a mere 4 cylinders.  Or even worse, the almost lethal equivalent that was Chrysler's Centura (It's a Sensation!!) with another big hemi six shoehorned in!

I note that some likewise almost gleefully seize upon each & every possible negative aspect or commentary on Guzzi's new bike.  Yes, its different.  No, it's not yet another iteration of the venerable 'big block'.  That motor, at least as it currently exists in 1.0-1.2L form, is all but officially dead & buried, killed off by impending Eurozone emissions, efficiency & noise regulations.  In all probability never to return.

I think the V85 is pretty good.  Maybe a bit 'compromised' in some aspects such as easily remedied tubed wheels, 'mere' 2 valved heads (which imbibes at least some of its reported flexibility) and in its 'difference' to most (but crucially not all) models that have gone before.

I'm guessing that this is pretty well a make-or-break bike for MG.  If it fails, so too I'd imagine does the whole kit & caboodle of Moto Guzzi as a manufacturer.  Realistically, MG is no Bugatti or Maserati loss-leader for an indulgent larger parent to keep bankrolling ad infinitum.  It must-needs pay its way within Piaggio.  To blaze a commercial trail for the promised 'new family' of cycles based upon this powerplant & chassis to follow.

From what I've read, it appears to be an exceptionally cleverly designed bike which surprises many riders in being a fairly well-rounded package beyond the actual sum of its fairly modest parts, genuinely (at least for the most part) made in Italy & selling at an 'competitive' price.  The fact that it's 'different' is I personally believe to be applauded rather than denigrated.  It's pretty smart, brave and well-nuanced market positioning in my estimation.  Well deserving of the success it seems to be generating.

I still hate those gaudy colour stripes, 'though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on April 02, 2019, 08:39:54 AM
You guys got my curiosity up, so I googled the P76.

I have to say it's not a bad looking car IMHO. But I have always been attracted to the under dogs. (1969 Cougar Eliminator, 1968 Torino GT fastback.) 

You may now return to your regularly scheduled V85 conversation... :grin:

John Henry 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on April 02, 2019, 02:55:37 PM
To carry on the thread drift..... :evil:

By the time they got the bugs sorted the P76 was a very good vehicle.  In NZ it was much saught after for caravan towing duties; as previously said it had quite good brakes and a very good V8.

And now, the V85TT.  On thinking about the colour options shown, I do like it in the plain colours.  It sounds as though the "bells and whistles" model is the yellow stripe one, is that correct?  I guess however that you can now accessiorize :rolleyes: your V85TT into a bells and whistles one should you so desire.

I must say I would have one in a heartbeat if finances did not have to come in to it, which sadly they do.  It's a good thing then that I am very happy with my Breva. :thumb:

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on April 02, 2019, 05:30:17 PM
and why would they be?  Young buyers in general that are buying motorcycles are buying used or new bikes in the $6000 and less range. 

There are a lot of offerings in every category for the young buyer who doen't want to carry a lot of debt for something that they may lose interest in.

An attempt at litotes there…
You're right, of course. No reason to expect new, pricey up-market adventure bikes to be a hit with the younger motorcyclists.
Probably exactly the same thing with the (more or less) comparable BMWs etc.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on April 03, 2019, 06:14:01 PM
To carry on the thread drift..... :evil:

By the time they got the bugs sorted the P76 was a very good vehicle.  In NZ it was much saught after for caravan towing duties; as previously said it had quite good brakes and a very good V8.

And now, the V85TT.  On thinking about the colour options shown, I do like it in the plain colours.  It sounds as though the "bells and whistles" model is the yellow stripe one, is that correct?  I guess however that you can now accessiorize :rolleyes: your V85TT into a bells and whistles one should you so desire.

I must say I would have one in a heartbeat if finances did not have to come in to it, which sadly they do.  It's a good thing then that I am very happy with my Breva. :thumb:

There's 2 'sub-models' available.  Standard V85 features the basic bike without any 'extras' but including st'd cruise control shod on Metzelers (Tourance??) in the 3 plain colours only:  Redder-than-Red, a slightly 'unusual' metallic Steel Blue, & the boring-as-hell but in my opinion classiest if a mite conservative Silver-grey.

The 'Adventure' model (which is I suspect a reviewers' affectation rather than an official name) has the..... erm 'loud' candystripe paintwork in Yellow/Red/White/Black/Silver and Red/White/Black/Silver.  These 2 monstrosities' have bright red frames, mid-level (of the 3 alternatives) Michelin Anakee 'adventure' tyres, which are SLIGHTLY more chunky & dirt-oriented than the Metzelers.  In North America at least, & possibly (probably?) in other commercial jurisdictions, the ADV model also sports a triumvurate of pretty good quality looking Italian-Made Aluminium touring cases.

The Adventure models cost about USD $1100+/- more.  Given the 3 cases (120 litres+) & presumably racks are included this represents particularly good value-for-money.  At least, it does when converted to Aussie $ anyway.  Pity about that hideous livery, but.  Life is full of compromises.

There's also 3 different accessory bundles that might offer slightly better value than individual purchase.  I'd suggest that the touring pack  (big Alu panniers [either 2 or 3 I think], centrestand, & SatNav dash interface) could be useful if you use this bike as a tourer.  Surprisingly, heated grips aren't available in any of the 3 bundles but is individually.  An absolute must in my opinion unless you live in the Mohave desert!

There's heaps of other accessories available in the other packs & individually too, but not to the excessive BMW-esque over-the-top list of dozens.  I'd suggest you do a search for local prices.  The bikes are available for sale now in NA, so presumably dealers have all relevant local pricing details.

Sorry.  Just noticed you're from 'EnZud', not the land of the free & home of the brave.  Duh!  You'd think the P76 commentary would be a bit of a giveaway, wouldn't you?  I'm a bit of an 'effwit sometimes.... Expect to substantially increase your country's trade deficit if you actually decide to buy one @ local prices. The starter pricing is about AU $22.5K + OTR in Oz's South Pacific Pesos.  More in Kiwi $ I'd suspect.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on April 04, 2019, 07:47:58 AM
Here ya go, guys.  A little more fuel for the P76 bonfire-

https://www.2gb.com/podcast/the-unloved-the-sad-legend-of-the-leyland-p76/

.


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on April 04, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
Regular folks starting to ride and review now.  The comments are interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DDORjauufE
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on April 09, 2019, 12:43:35 PM
What do you think the chances are of a non-Adv version.  Look the same but no rack, no beak and a single road headlight?

Kinda like an old T-3
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on April 10, 2019, 01:48:33 AM
What do you think the chances are of a non-Adv version.  Look the same but no rack, no beak and a single road headlight?

Kinda like an old T-3

Only time will tell.  I suspect the next iteration will probably be some type of retro roadie, going on past releases (V7s).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 10, 2019, 06:01:57 AM
i think MG will want to max out the utility of this engine like they have done with the 750s.  so, i am pretty sure we will see at least a few iterations of this basic bike. a lighter weight touring bike, with screen, bags and rack with standard ride height and sub 600 lb weight with price closer to 10,000 than 20,000 might find a willing audience.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beetle on April 17, 2019, 05:02:43 PM
..and now, the V85tt helmet...


(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/05447a10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1277)
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/a3407f10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1278)
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/0d09cf10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1279)
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/767f8410.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1280)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on April 17, 2019, 05:05:07 PM
Yea, not gonna do the helmet.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on April 17, 2019, 09:55:43 PM
 :grin:  really ................... ............
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on April 18, 2019, 04:06:03 AM
That helmet is also available (as is matching jacket & pants) in the gaudy LGBTQRSTUV friendly "rainbow nation" livery.  With the matching 5-colour V85 bike you certainly won't get lost in a snowstorm!  Or fog.

The combined effect of all that matching BMW-esque bike, helmet, jacket & pants will presumably appeal to a certain niche market, but most will I suspect avoid like the plague.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on April 18, 2019, 06:50:19 AM
..and now, the V85tt helmet...


(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/05447a10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1277)
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/a3407f10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1278)
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/0d09cf10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1279)
(https://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/18/91/78/64/767f8410.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18917864/1280)

The rock guard seems kinda high. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on April 18, 2019, 07:47:04 AM
That helmet is also available (as is matching jacket & pants) in the gaudy LGBTQRSTUV friendly "rainbow nation" livery.  With the matching 5-colour V85 bike you certainly won't get lost in a snowstorm!  Or fog.

The combined effect of all that matching BMW-esque bike, helmet, jacket & pants will presumably appeal to a certain niche market, but most will I suspect avoid like the plague.

But you know.... if your after the BMW GS customer, you gotta market in their style..  So really...  good job MG!  Its not for me... but your putting some effort into expanding your base..  Its nice to see from a company that normally lets their product die on the vine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jbell on April 18, 2019, 11:31:02 AM
The rock guard seems kinda high.



Falling rocks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tasdisr on April 18, 2019, 12:14:58 PM
Cadre Cycle in Cincinnati is having the Guzzi new model preview truck on April 24th and 25th.

https://mailchi.mp/0174a8317044/v85-tt-preview-days?e=3f2437d45c
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: poppe on April 18, 2019, 12:32:27 PM
But you know.... if your after the BMW GS customer, you gotta market in their style..  So really...  good job MG!  Its not for me... but your putting some effort into expanding your base..  Its nice to see from a company that normally lets their product die on the vine.

I also think just the ADV market tends to get a lot of people that like this kind of branding. I think the pants and jacket actually look quite cool, and I like the helmet in the white yellow form.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kmartin on April 18, 2019, 03:20:27 PM

...  Surprisingly, heated grips aren't available in any of the 3 bundles but is individually.  An absolute must in my opinion unless you live in the Mohave desert! ...

I live in the Mojave desert and could never do without my heated grips
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on April 18, 2019, 03:22:25 PM
I don't know, I have to buy a helmet for a fly-n-ride when I pick up my V85.  What is the MSRP of the white/Ronald version of their helmet anyway?  Maybe I will go all Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on April 18, 2019, 04:25:47 PM
I don't know, I have to buy a helmet for a fly-n-ride when I pick up my V85.  What is the MSRP of the white/Ronald version of their helmet anyway?  Maybe I will go all Guzzi.

From the stelvio facebook page, one of the admin went to Italy and rented the V85. He likes it.

Here is his review by "Doc" (if haven't posted yet) https://advrider.com/f/threads/moto-guzzi-v85.1265870/page-163

Also, he bought the white/yellow Guzzi helmet as well. Apparently it's €150

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on April 18, 2019, 08:27:43 PM
Yea, not gonna do the helmet.
I bought a fly racing dual sport/adv helmet for $100-150. Not a Shoei but a good helmet. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on April 18, 2019, 08:41:07 PM
Got this one from Nolan.

(https://i.ibb.co/Fb1B3tc/4365-F572-D27-D-47-BE-8292-646-C1-A20942-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fb1B3tc)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Keith McGoff on April 18, 2019, 10:19:07 PM
Got this one from Nolan.

(https://i.ibb.co/Fb1B3tc/4365-F572-D27-D-47-BE-8292-646-C1-A20942-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fb1B3tc)


all you need then is the red and white V85TT and change the black stripe with some green vinyl rap to match the green and you would have the perfect combo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Yan on April 27, 2019, 01:24:46 PM
I liked this video from a Romanian guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBjljyAPQ9I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBjljyAPQ9I).  The moment around 11:40 min is a classic.


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on April 27, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
The V85TT may or may not be a sales sucess, and this new thing may not be either but, someone somewhere is making an effort...developing a prototype, testing, certification, distribution, etc. - all these take serious money and for such a small company a huge risk if they get stuck with a sales dud so it's encouraging for me to see...who knows what else they're cooking up in the kitchen...stay tuned...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on April 27, 2019, 04:52:34 PM
Piaggo is not a small company.   It just that the have been treating Guzzi as a small brand, perhaps that may change?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on April 27, 2019, 07:17:45 PM
Piaggo is not a small company.   It just that the have been treating Guzzi as a small brand, perhaps that may change?

Depends if people actually buy them, not small companies tend to be run by accountants, its the reason they are not small.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: T4halo on April 28, 2019, 05:42:47 AM
After reading a V85 review over on ADVrider it appears this bike is bringing new riders to MG. The fella giving the review had never been on a guzzi in his life and put down his deposit after a short ride. He also mentioned all the V85s alocated for the store had been spoken for. Great news for Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 28, 2019, 05:56:20 AM
After reading a V85 review over on ADVrider it appears this bike is bringing new riders to MG. The fella giving the review had never been on a guzzi in his life and put down his deposit after a short ride. He also mentioned all the V85s alocated for the store had been spoken for. Great news for Guzzi.
Therin lies the point.
Once the current market has been saturated, it’ll be necessary for new buyers to come on board.
Not saying it won’t happen, but there’ll be a lot of would be owners waiting for the recycled ones that are 1 year old with 2 1/2 thousand miles on the clock.
Unless that seller goes and buys another new Guzzi, the Status Quo will remain.

Which won’t be all bad.. (they were a beaut band.. :wink:)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on April 28, 2019, 06:10:02 AM
I don't know, I have to buy a helmet for a fly-n-ride when I pick up my V85.  What is the MSRP of the white/Ronald version of their helmet anyway?  Maybe I will go all Guzzi.

I'm unsure of your desire to get a helmet as a want or a need. But, If you're considering a fly and ride, mail your riding gear ahead so it is waiting for you at your destination. Bring a small duffel on the plane with some clothes and you're good to go.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 28, 2019, 06:16:00 AM
I'm unsure of your desire to get a helmet as a want or a need. But, If you're considering a fly and ride, mail your riding gear ahead so it is waiting for you at your destination. Bring a small duffel on the plane with some clothes and you're good to go.

John Henry
Dunno.
Might be worth wearing your helmet on the ‘plane..! :evil: :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on April 28, 2019, 09:30:08 AM
Last time when I bought my Norge I UPSed my gear and it was waiting in a box at Matthews.  They met me at the airport, I signed the papers, and rode back to Pgh.  This time I was down that way about a month ago and left my jacket and all the gear except my helmet which I needed for another ride.  I figured I would just buy another helmet then come back North.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oilhed on April 29, 2019, 07:35:23 AM
I'm thinking this new motor is the future of Guzzi.  They are gonna do the BMW thing.  Offer a new ADV bike.  Then a cheaper naked roadster and maybe a retro and finally, hopefully, a Sport-tourer.  All with the same drivetrain.  By then all the V7/V9s and 1400s will be history.  If that works out there might be a performance water jacket Guzzi like the Griso.

I'd take one that looks like this:
(https://static.advrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/6-2-750x563.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 29, 2019, 01:48:20 PM
Yes.
You could do a lot worse.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on April 29, 2019, 04:50:41 PM
Just deposits down seem to be more then they sold over a full year for all models for some years..... 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 06, 2019, 12:51:06 AM
Just deposits down seem to be more then they sold over a full year for all models for some years.....
Mine will be losing the lower header guards immediately.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on June 06, 2019, 11:36:27 PM
I'm thinking this new motor is the future of Guzzi.  They are gonna do the BMW thing.  Offer a new ADV bike.  Then a cheaper naked roadster and maybe a retro and finally, hopefully, a Sport-tourer.  All with the same drivetrain.  By then all the V7/V9s and 1400s will be history.  If that works out there might be a performance water jacket Guzzi like the Griso.

I'd take one that looks like this:
(https://static.advrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/6-2-750x563.jpg)

That looks bloody horrible
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 07, 2019, 01:07:25 AM
Mine will be losing the lower header guards immediately.

Agreed Huzo.  Those header guards are hideous, if not in all practicality pretty functionally useless.  I don't understand why Guzzi just didn't tuck the headers up a little higher like all their older models. Whilst you're still in the neighbourhood why not pickup a QD Exhausts midpipe to take home with you along with your other souvenirs & associated paraphernalia?

https://www.qdexhaust.it/en/catalogue-qd-exhaust/moto-guzzi-en/v-85-tt-en/moto-guzzi-v-85tt-decatalizzatore/

Ditching that god-awful ugly catalyser/collector box would certainly be a pretty high priority for me anyway.  Makes the whole exhaust just so much tidier in my opinion.  The loss of a utterly useless 3.3kg of lard, plus the 4.4 extra neddies it allows would just be the cherry on top of the cake....

Whilst E. 420 might be a bit spendy for some, the ability to run cooler, breathe easier & reduce fuel consumption makes it reasonable value despite its non-Euro V compliance.  Just don't tell 'em @ Heathrow that it's a Stinger shoulder launcher!  If you're feeling extravagant there's also a nice uber-light matching Titanium muffler & link pipe for similar coin.

You could always strap 'em to the old red girl on her crated return as "spares" to avoid overly-officious customs queries.

Incidentally, Bikesales' Mark Fattore has a pretty breathlessly sycophantic ride review out now:

https://www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/2019-moto-guzzi-v85tt-launch-review-118853/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 07, 2019, 02:33:36 AM
That looks bloody horrible
Probably not if you’re doing the road of bones or some such..
I’d have more intrinsic faith in that, than I would a brand new tuetonic offering from Bayerisch Motoren Werken..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on June 07, 2019, 06:52:46 AM
I had a chance to ride one yesterday...  I really liked it!  Im not the ADV type...  but you know... it fit, it felt good, and it rode awesome...  I would have no need for more power in this platform..  Huge power band, that just pulled clean wherever you were in the powerband. Suspension worked awesome..  nice and smooth, but still well controlled. Really the only fault I found with the bike was there was a strange unsettling tip over point in corner transition. Really though, I bet you could chalk that up to the one I rode had top and side boxes, and the on off road tires were getting kinda square .  All it all...  Not really a ADV bike guy..... but I would have zero issues taking this bike across the country.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ITSec on June 11, 2019, 11:27:26 AM
Got a test ride a few weeks back before the bikes headed back east.

I will keep a CARC in the garage for two-up riding, but the V85 TT may become my 'other' bike for when Louisa is riding her V7 III...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on June 11, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
Got a test ride a few weeks back before the bikes headed back east.

I will keep a CARC in the garage for two-up riding, but the V85 TT may become my 'other' bike for when Louisa is riding her V7 III...

As a V7iii owner, how much more umph does the v85 have over the 7?  How do vibes compare at 75/80 mph?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on June 11, 2019, 03:58:56 PM
As a V7iii owner, how much more umph does the v85 have over the 7?  How do vibes compare at 75/80 mph?

Haven ridden both within a hour of each other, and each for the first time...   Vibes were about the same to me..  granted im coming from a big block bike, with tuning issues...  I would say the power is a refinement on the V7..  Not night and day...  but noticeable power increase starting at a little lower RPM, and increasing as RPMs climb..  Take the V7iii power plant... and just make it better from idle on up.. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2019, 05:00:20 AM
I’ve just received an e mail from my dealer that my V85 is there in Melbourne ready to go.
However it is a Ronald Mc Donald one and I don’t want it, I want a Red/White one. Does anyone in Oz have info on the red/white availability in Australia ?
My partner back home in Oz has spoken to the importer and the say end of July for the one I want, anyone have anything they can add to this ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on June 13, 2019, 09:38:46 AM
So far I have 3000 km's on my V85TT and loved every meter of it.
50%+ was with passenger and full load.
It handles extremely well, comfy for both rider and passenger with stock seat and suspension.
Stock suspension is up to it's task, linkage or not.
Stock seat is very good, uninterrupted hours in the saddle.
Talking about the dreaded bhp.  All I can say is that the engine is getting loose and - from 3000 rpm on - it pulls quite strong, even two-on.  A friend of mine, following on his Bmw R 1150 RT, was quite impressed.
It turns very easily, you just have to "look" at the turn.
Clutch is VERY light, important for an older guy like myself.
Gearbox shifts lightly, sometimes with a clunk, sometimes not if you really pay attention.
Dash is very well visible, again important for an old bloke like myself (and it adapts according to sunlight)
Wind protection with stock shield is ok for me, but I'm only 1,72 m.  No buffetting (spelling?)
Brakes are not great, but good enough.
Had the Anakee's replaced with Pirelli's (Scorpion Trail 2) which makes a great difference on the road.
Off road rarely tested, I'm not a good enough off-roader to venture.  But ok on gravel (did some 15 km's on it).
Fuel economy is exceptional, two-on and fully packed, it got 4,4 l on 100 km.  Up to the interested guys to recalculate that in gallons and miles.  It gives an autonomy of 450 km+.

Minor shortcomings:
It could do with 20 kg less weight.
I find the side stand too long, the bike sits too upright.
Throttle action (by wire) is too long, I need to "climb up on the throttle" too often (if you get what I mean)

I have been riding various Guzzi's over the last 20 years and - in my very modest opinions - so far it's the best Guzzi I ever rode on and certainly the first of which I did not feel the need to change  seat, suspension, mapping, screen or whatever.

Finally, my dealer told me that I have a 2 year warranty that can be extended up to 4.  After the second (free) year you can expand it year by year.  Interesting for a complete technical moron like myself.

And also interesting: my dealer sold about 20 Guzzi's last year (2018), second hand included.
He sold about the same number of V85 since 2 months, a LOT of them to people that never rode a Guzzi before.

Guzzi may not go bankrupt after all ....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2019, 09:57:52 AM
In the immortal words of Elton John...
“It’s a little bit funny.”
I’ve just gone back over the first couple or five, pages of this thread and it’s funny because, most of the blokes that have made comments about how we’ll never see the bugger, and it’ll be a sales flop and “pure fantasy, the 2V motor is dead...”, have either been conspicuously quiet, or silently grabbed reverse and in recent posts have been giving their opinions as to why it’s such a good thing...!
Are any of these buggers going to say anything about how they might have been arse up..?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2019, 09:58:55 AM
Prepare to be underwhelmed  :rolleyes:

 Dusty
That doesn’t seem to be the way it comes over in the reviews Dusty.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2019, 10:00:21 AM
the above is pure fantasy the 2v motor is dead !!
Goes ok for a corpse..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2019, 10:01:33 AM
Concept bike. Code for "will never make it into production."

If I see another Oberdan Bezzi puerile fantasy, I may just vomit.

 :violent1:
Well I don’t know what the beefed up workforce at Mandello are doing for 9 hours a day 6 days a week according to the bloke on the door at the old factory.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2019, 10:07:57 AM
My socks are feeling pretty confident they aren't about to be knocked off.....
Just make sure you know where they land Pete, you may need to go looking for them.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2019, 10:13:35 AM
Those ought to be fun to fix when the o-rings die.  :tongue:
Easy...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 13, 2019, 10:25:58 AM
It's been a long time since any Guzzi made me even think about a test ride, but the V85TT does. So, I'm planning to ride out to far western MD to Xtreme Powersports on June 29th and taking one for a spin. If the shock of going from my 1969 V700 "TT" to the 2019 V85TT doesn't kill me, I'll be sure to post my impressions.  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2019, 10:42:47 AM
It's been a long time since any Guzzi made me even think about a test ride, but the V85TT does. So, I'm planning to ride out to far western MD to Xtreme Powersports on June 29th and taking one for a spin. If the shock of going from my 1969 V700 "TT" to the 2019 V85TT doesn't kill me, I'll be sure to post my impressions.  :grin:
Hah..!
June 29 eh..?
My birthday.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lannis on June 13, 2019, 10:44:37 AM
Hah..!
June 29 eh..?
My birthday.

Are you subtly angling for a present, as long as Charlie's hanging around the Guzzi shop ... ??   :angel:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 13, 2019, 11:31:44 AM
I can almost hear the glasses of Chianti tinking in Mandello de Lario now  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on June 13, 2019, 11:47:43 AM
Hah..!
June 29 eh..?
My birthday.

Seriously?   That's my birthday too!   :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 13, 2019, 12:18:47 PM
My 65th birthday is July 3rd which just happens to coincide with the V85 demo day close to me at Woodstock Powersports.  Should I be taking that as a sign?   :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Litre1000 on June 13, 2019, 06:51:36 PM
What I don’t see/read is, Stelvio owners commenting on their test ride of the new V85 adventure bike. That is the target,right...?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on June 13, 2019, 08:07:36 PM
From a Stelvio owner in the witch city.  "It's a really nice bike. I test rode one a week ago.

Best fueled motorcycle I've ever ridden. Comfortable, nice motor with linear power delivery. Not the low end grunt of the Stelvio, but pretty good. Instrument is clear and bright, brakes are excellent, suspension very good (could have used a bit more preload in the back, but they kept it soft to make it easier on shorter riders). Fit and finish is gorgeous. Handling is light and nimble. Feels half the size it is. Center of gravity on it feels much lower than the Stelvio. I thought the little flyscreen worked really well. No buffeting at all on the helmet. Very clean air, and took the big blast of wind off the chest. It has an optional taller screen, but I can't imagine needing it...It's much smaller than the Stelvio. I would say it's a 3/4 Stelvio size wize. Feels much lighter than the almost 100 lbs lighter it's supposed to be."
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on June 13, 2019, 08:12:48 PM
What I don’t see/read is, Stelvio owners commenting on their test ride of the new V85 adventure bike. That is the target,right...?

I mentioned it in anther thread.

I own a Stelvio and I could instantly tell the V85tt was a much easier beast to handle on my short test ride.  Now a Stelvio at $3000 savings would be a good way to go imo but the V85tt feels much lighter.  Also that 80-90 lbs represents almost a 20% difference in overall weight.  I will have to wait until my V85 shows up to get a better sense of it but it also felt to me like the Stelvio carries it's weight a bit higher than the new model and when I fill that tank up I can tell I have to be deliberate when moving at slow speeds or in parking lots.

The demo ride was too short to make any sweeping statements about the difference, I guess more to come once my TT shows up.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on June 14, 2019, 02:34:40 AM
What I don’t see/read is, Stelvio owners commenting on their test ride of the new V85 adventure bike. That is the target,right...?

Well, that's not exactly right.  You must be reading the wrong tests.
I ride in a small Flemish club, most of which are Guzzi riders (others ride Bmw, Triumph, Ducati, one even rides a bloody Honda ;-) )
The "chairman" rides Guzzi since 40 years, and is a close neighbor of mine.  He now owns a Stelvio 8v.
He test rode a V85 some weeks ago.
His comments: "Of course the Stelvio has more low end grunt, but when I stepped on my Stelvio afterwards, it felt like a tractor. The V85 could very well become my next Guzzi"

I can concur.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on June 15, 2019, 11:17:57 AM
What are your thoughts on The Missenden Flyer?  His humor is much more downplayed than most.

NC


I donno, but I thought the RevZilla reviewer was trying way too hard to be clever, but then again I feel that way about almost every reviewer except Sir Alan and Jenny Smith.

Reading RevZilla made me wish Dave Searle was still heading MCN.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on June 15, 2019, 11:24:05 AM
Why would you assume a dead TFT means a dead bike?  Doesn't the TFT pull information and display it for the rider?  If that is the case it seems to be a one way communication and a dead TFT shouldn't strand the bike????????

If anyone knows with any certainty that a dead TFT will strand the bike please expand on that for the rest of us.  And this has nothing to do with Guzzi and Honda will likely not have replacement TFT's in 15 years for the current generation Africa Twin either.

NC


So I assume when the fancy TFT display goes kaput the bike will not run, that correct? 

So 10 years from now, TFT goes kaput, you buy a new one?  15 years from now?  20? 

Be interesting to see the list price of that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on June 15, 2019, 11:47:28 AM
It's been a long time since any Guzzi made me even think about a test ride, but the V85TT does. So, I'm planning to ride out to far western MD to Xtreme Powersports on June 29th and taking one for a spin. If the shock of going from my 1969 V700 "TT" to the 2019 V85TT doesn't kill me, I'll be sure to post my impressions.  :grin:

I think you'll love it.  I do, and am buying one.  You do know it doesn't have a carburetor, right?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tcunnien on June 15, 2019, 12:08:21 PM
Can't make it to MD, or VA(both closer to home) so will be traveling to West Chester PA next Saturday to hopefully try one out.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on June 15, 2019, 12:09:03 PM
My thought on the component obsolescence issues that are becoming more and more obvious across expensive  new motorcycles is that the current market of aged riders is willing to overlook what may not be available in 20 years... because their personal timeline is 15 years.

I love the V85TT concept, can definitely see myself owning one, and would love it even more if I could see maintaining it for 30 + plus years with no manufacturer support.  The more they sell, the better the outlook for long term aftermarket support, so by all means buy one now - be a trend setter  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on June 15, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
The carcass bikes have been out for 14 years.  As far as I’m able to learn everything is still available new, including the TFT or dash.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 15, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
What I don’t see/read is, Stelvio owners commenting on their test ride of the new V85 adventure bike. That is the target,right...?
Not necessarily.
Most of the big distance crunchers that I’ve seen on this trip on super highways, have been BMW GS’,  KTM 1190’s or Africa Twins.
We have canvassed the fact that an adventure does not have to be on the dirt. The V85 will fit the bill of those that don’t want or need a super sized off roader, by can still do the Autostrada thing.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cage Free on June 15, 2019, 02:28:21 PM
What I don’t see/read is, Stelvio owners commenting on their test ride of the new V85 adventure bike. That is the target,right...?

Im a 13 Stelvio owner and was just thinking about my V85 testride yesterday while out doing some crusty fireroad riding up in the mountains in San Diego county yesterday.  My buddy rides a Kawi versys 300 and this should have been way easier for him but the cheap non adjustable suspension was bottoming out and beating his ass to death. He was really amazed at how well the giant beast of mine did and how much less worn out I was. So back to the V85, I thought I would love to try the lighter much more flickable V85 on these same trails, I bet it would do really well and be more controllable in the sand sections. Got me thinking for sure.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on June 15, 2019, 03:32:06 PM
Took a ride this morning on the v85 up in Goshen,ny.. I was definitely impressed by the ride ..this fit me like a good glove..now I have to clean and put the vstrom up for sale..the gentleman who ran the demo said the cargo ship is getting closer to port..
(https://i.ibb.co/NyT0qhT/6-B3-E63-C8-D698-4-EAF-B386-CE519-AECDCEF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NyT0qhT)

(https://i.ibb.co/XbFH4r2/17-CB41-A0-A81-A-4-B29-B4-E5-55-E0-EB6-E3963.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XbFH4r2)

image upload (https://imgbb.com/upload)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 15, 2019, 03:43:01 PM
The carcass bikes...

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alanp on June 16, 2019, 02:59:20 PM
Well, I just made up my mind to get one of these.  The local dealer expects to get their first shipment next week.  I would really like to buy from Hamlin or Cadre, but it doesn't seem to make sense for someone living in CO.  Do you think they would ship for free to get my business?
But I better not get ahead of myself.  Haven't discussed with the wife yet.... :thewife:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on June 16, 2019, 07:25:36 PM
Why would you assume a dead TFT means a dead bike?  Doesn't the TFT pull information and display it for the rider?  If that is the case it seems to be a one way communication and a dead TFT shouldn't strand the bike????????

If anyone knows with any certainty that a dead TFT will strand the bike please expand on that for the rest of us.  And this has nothing to do with Guzzi and Honda will likely not have replacement TFT's in 15 years for the current generation Africa Twin either.

NC

I don't know, that is part of the reason I posted up.  I looked around at KTM & Ducati forums and it seems the bikes still run, but about impossible to select different options as you can't see what is happened as you push various buttons on the handlebars, and the dealers keep your bike while they order the new TFT screen (so it goes into the dealer, waits to be worked on, then they figure out what you already know (dead TFT), then they order a new one, then you wait a few weeks for that to come in, then you get your bike back).

Also seems like it is a thing to get a screen protector film to go over it as gas splashes can messes it up, or other scratches might happen.

And the reason I brought up the distant future, I was looking at a used Quota, so 19 years old, and that made me wonder what things will be like for the TFT display bikes ~19 years from now. 

I guess a bunch of people get excited about the pretty display, but for me, I'd rather just have an old school speedo and tach.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on June 16, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
  I would really like to buy from Hamlin or Cadre, but it doesn't seem to make sense for someone living in CO.  Do you think they would ship for free to get my business?

Hell no.  What business, future service?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on June 16, 2019, 09:12:28 PM
In the immortal words of Elton John...
“It’s a little bit funny.”
I’ve just gone back over the first couple or five, pages of this thread and it’s funny because, most of the blokes that have made comments about how we’ll never see the bugger, and it’ll be a sales flop and “pure fantasy, the 2V motor is dead...”, have either been conspicuously quiet, or silently grabbed reverse and in recent posts have been giving their opinions as to why it’s such a good thing...!
Are any of these buggers going to say anything about how they might have been arse up..?

The reason I've not said anything Peter is because every time I offer an opinion I'm shouted at for being negative. As for the 2V motor being dead? That was a reference to the big blocks and the truth is all the big blocks will be gone in the next few years.

As for the V85? Everything I'm reading is telling me it's an uninteresting, anodyne POS that I will have exactly zero interest in. That's fine. Obviously it's what a lot of people want. All power to them. As I've said before I hope they sell them by the boatload.

I believe there are some in Oz now? At some point I'll ring John and arrange a test ride. It's not a high priority for me though. Speaking to Mario the other day he said it's the only model in the last 30 years he has had NO pre-orders for. That I think should give pause to all those who expect it to be a runaway success.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on June 17, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
Speaking to Mario the other day he said it's the only model in the last 30 years he has had NO pre-orders for. That I think should give pause to all those who expect it to be a runaway success.


Quite the opposite across the ditch here in Kiwiland.   Demand greatly exceeds supply.

I'm enjoying mine, although today might be the first day I'll be able to take it out without the skies opening up.  Here's hoping.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on June 17, 2019, 07:53:30 PM
Good-o! Miserable time of year to be breaking in a new bike but I'm sure the excitement makes it tolerable. I'll be interested to hear your opinions Dave.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 17, 2019, 09:31:59 PM
Why would you assume a dead TFT means a dead bike?  Doesn't the TFT pull information and display it for the rider?  If that is the case it seems to be a one way communication and a dead TFT shouldn't strand the bike????????

If anyone knows with any certainty that a dead TFT will strand the bike please expand on that for the rest of us.  And this has nothing to do with Guzzi and Honda will likely not have replacement TFT's in 15 years for the current generation Africa Twin either.

NC

I suppose this might concern long-term (20+ years) keeper of just about ANY modern bike.  Those with Canbus systems should perhaps worry a bit more.  But redundancy could/can strike just about any bike out there.  From something as 'trivial' as discontinued tyre sizes/profiles to CPU ignition & control systems.  Or even supply issues for replacement parts following accidental damage.

I've had a couple of Husky Nudas that I've rebuilt/am rebuilding recently for which it's extremely difficult to source fairing panels, even from Belgium, the home of Nudaparts.com!  A relatively rare & short-lived bike from an originally Swedish company, at the time owned by BMW, built in Varese Italy with an Austrian engine installed!

I personally don't mind TFT information displays.  As new replacement parts they seem relatively inexpensive (AU $500-ish).  Being shared among others of the Piaggio tribe should help with ample supply as spare parts into the indeterminant future.  My biggest gripe with the display, however, is with its size:  @ a mere 5" it's waaay too small in my opinion.  Much better the lovely large colourful & info-rich BMW displays @ a much more generous & legible 9".

Should you let the risk of such rare, relatively inconsequential & unlikely contingencies restrict your choice of bike?  Not on your Nelly!  Life's too short for that.  I'd rather worry about more important stuff, such as the future likelihood of East Asian trade wars, or even a "hot" war over the ownership of the South China Sea.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on June 18, 2019, 02:44:38 AM
Picked mine up yesterday.  Only the 60 mile ride home from the dealer, but first impressions are positive.  The ride / handling combination is excellent.  Screen is too short, but at least you sit in clean air with no buffeting.  I have a little screen deflector I'll try.  Engine and exhaust note are very quiet.  Perhaps a bit too quiet.  Gearbox is ok.  Better than a BMW, but you're always aware it's shaft drive.
Might have a little tootle out on it again today.

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 18, 2019, 03:07:48 AM
That looks darn nice Derek.
I may have a chance to come and see it when I cross back over.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 18, 2019, 03:15:02 AM
LOVE that red one.  Absolutely stunning!  And just so.......Guzzi.  A shade or 2 darker than Ferrari-Red, that black frame, (especially that somewhat ugly front headlamp/instrument subframe) aesthetically disappears into the background, subtly contrasting so well with the colourful bodywork.  Much classier than the gaudy (brighter red??) frames of the 4 & 5-colour candystripe iterations.

With just the red primary, and black low- & silver high-lights there's a more integrated, understated overall harmony.  Elegance, even, if any high-mudguard rough-road tourer actually CAN be described as elegant.

A couple of Q's please:  firstly, is there room under the seat next to the tool-roll for more tools?  A ratchet perhaps & handful of appropriate 3/8" sockets?  Tyre levers?   A small electric or hand-pump?  Are the supplied tools good quality (i.e. older BMW-esque) or just the usual crap OEM rubbish that need to be immediately replaced?

Secondly, I gather there's an additional small compartment @ the rear:  under the pillion?  Or in the ducktail?  Any room for a set of (thin, lightweight) wet-weather coveralls in there?

Do those allen/torx screws on the back of the exhaust can allow an owner to maybe weave a little disappearance magic to a few unnecessary kilograms of extraneous tortuous exhaust baffling perhaps?  Otherwise, an aftermarket QD midpipe might free up a few kgs & HP & allow that Euro V compliant leaned-off motor to run cooler & breathe easier.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on June 18, 2019, 09:02:28 AM
Every time I’ve been to Mandello in the last decade the plant has been shut down that day.  I believe that was because they were operating only to meet demand, building a batch of bikes to meet distributor demand then stopping.  Whether my understanding of the details is correct or not, I have a feeling that its no longer the case  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 18, 2019, 09:11:59 AM
Every time I’ve been to Mandello in the last decade the plant has been shut down that day.  I believe that was because they were operating only to meet demand, building a batch of bikes to meet distributor demand then stopping.  Whether my understanding of the details is correct or not, I have a feeling that its no longer the case  :grin:
I was talking with the guy on the door the other day and he said they were doing 9 hr shifts, 6 days a week and the “new” one was on the go.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on June 18, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
From what I understand the U.S. is only getting the two adventure colo(u)rs and the grey one.  The grey one looks fine but not as vivid as your red one and I do like that red.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on June 18, 2019, 11:57:17 AM


A couple of Q's please:  firstly, is there room under the seat next to the tool-roll for more tools?  A ratchet perhaps & handful of appropriate 3/8" sockets?  Tyre levers?   A small electric or hand-pump?  Are the supplied tools good quality (i.e. older BMW-esque) or just the usual crap OEM rubbish that need to be immediately replaced?

Secondly, I gather there's an additional small compartment @ the rear:  under the pillion?  Or in the ducktail?  Any room for a set of (thin, lightweight) wet-weather coveralls in there?

Do those allen/torx screws on the back of the exhaust can allow an owner to maybe weave a little disappearance magic to a few unnecessary kilograms of extraneous tortuous exhaust baffling perhaps?  Otherwise, an aftermarket QD midpipe might free up a few kgs & HP & allow that Euro V compliant leaned-off motor to run cooler & breathe easier.

The "toolkit" is in a nice bag and contains the (cheap crap) adjuster for rear pre-load.  Then there's a couple of allen keys and a fuse remover, and that's your lot mate! :grin:
There plenty of room in  the bag to put a few additional tools and one or two very  small spaces, but no place for an oversuit or suchlike.
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I don't know what happens when you take out the torx screws at the end of the can.  I'll wait for someone else to be a pioneer on this point.
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I put another 100 miles on today.  Only up to 4,500 rpm where the "running in" warning lights come on.  The handling's really great - sharp like a 1200 Multistrada, but more supple ride.  I think the low end oomph will prove a bit lacking for some, but for me it's fine.  Just a bit of a clonky drive train around town, which I suppose may improve.

It certainly is an elegant looker though, particularly the tank profile.  However, it's no match for it's elderly room mate!

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on June 18, 2019, 11:58:26 AM
That looks darn nice Derek.
I may have a chance to come and see it when I cross back over.

Peter, Let me know when you're back in UK and we'll find a rendevous point.
Cheers,
Derek
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on June 18, 2019, 05:21:20 PM
I'm not sure, your pic's aren't lined up from the same angle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on June 19, 2019, 12:28:59 AM
Thank you.

I like the cool factor of a TFT if it is done correctly.  The BMW R1200GS TFT and Triumph Tiger 800 TFT's are brilliant.  The Ducati Multistrada, not so much.  IMHO of course.

NC

I don't know, that is part of the reason I posted up.  I looked around at KTM & Ducati forums and it seems the bikes still run, but about impossible to select different options as you can't see what is happened as you push various buttons on the handlebars, and the dealers keep your bike while they order the new TFT screen (so it goes into the dealer, waits to be worked on, then they figure out what you already know (dead TFT), then they order a new one, then you wait a few weeks for that to come in, then you get your bike back).

Also seems like it is a thing to get a screen protector film to go over it as gas splashes can messes it up, or other scratches might happen.

And the reason I brought up the distant future, I was looking at a used Quota, so 19 years old, and that made me wonder what things will be like for the TFT display bikes ~19 years from now. 

I guess a bunch of people get excited about the pretty display, but for me, I'd rather just have an old school speedo and tach.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on June 19, 2019, 12:33:31 AM
I know I'm asking everybody this but how is the clutch pull?  I know it is impossible for you to tell me what I'll think of it but I'm curious if you would call it lighter, heavier, etc.

Beautiful red machine you have there!

NC


Picked mine up yesterday.  Only the 60 mile ride home from the dealer, but first impressions are positive.  The ride / handling combination is excellent.  Screen is too short, but at least you sit in clean air with no buffeting.  I have a little screen deflector I'll try.  Engine and exhaust note are very quiet.  Perhaps a bit too quiet.  Gearbox is ok.  Better than a BMW, but you're always aware it's shaft drive.
Might have a little tootle out on it again today.

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on June 19, 2019, 12:36:14 AM
I assume you are in Oz yourself?  I had thought one of the things US buyers and Australian buyers would have in common would be the desire for a large fuel tank.  This bike would appear to have the best range of any bike out there in this class with the exception being a V-Strom 650.  I'm surprised pre-orders aren't there?????

NC


The reason I've not said anything Peter is because every time I offer an opinion I'm shouted at for being negative. As for the 2V motor being dead? That was a reference to the big blocks and the truth is all the big blocks will be gone in the next few years.

As for the V85? Everything I'm reading is telling me it's an uninteresting, anodyne POS that I will have exactly zero interest in. That's fine. Obviously it's what a lot of people want. All power to them. As I've said before I hope they sell them by the boatload.

I believe there are some in Oz now? At some point I'll ring John and arrange a test ride. It's not a high priority for me though. Speaking to Mario the other day he said it's the only model in the last 30 years he has had NO pre-orders for. That I think should give pause to all those who expect it to be a runaway success.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 19, 2019, 01:12:42 AM
Peter, Let me know when you're back in UK and we'll find a rendevous point.
Cheers,
Derek
Ok
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on June 19, 2019, 04:22:54 AM
I know I'm asking everybody this but how is the clutch pull?  I know it is impossible for you to tell me what I'll think of it but I'm curious if you would call it lighter, heavier, etc.

Beautiful red machine you have there!

NC

Clutch is like any modern bike.  Very light.  About 100x lighter than a bevel Ducati or Laverda triple.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 19, 2019, 04:26:26 AM
Jeez.
I’m damned if I’m not starting to like the look of the all red one...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 19, 2019, 04:30:46 AM
I know I'm asking everybody this but how is the clutch pull?  I know it is impossible for you to tell me what I'll think of it but I'm curious if you would call it lighter, heavier, etc.

Beautiful red machine you have there!

NC
Upon leaving Agostini’s on their demo, I noticed the clutch was (mal)adjusted such that there was zero play in the lever.
You had to let the lever so far out on take off, that I really did think I was in neutral. I stopped around the corner and fixed it.
The lever was very nice to say the least and felt “flicky”, that is you could pop it in and out with absolute ease, two fingers without reservation.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alanp on June 19, 2019, 11:12:03 PM
I joined a V85 Facebook page just to see what there was to see.  Almost all in translated Italian, but there is a lot of chatter about an issue with the handlebars not being straight and the bikes pulling to the left.  Multiple complaints along the same lines.  Seems very odd.  Anyone noticed this issue? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 20, 2019, 01:51:35 AM
That's weird!  Usually in drive-to-the-right jurisdictions you'd expect any vehicle to naturally veer to the right in accordance with the road's camber & water shedding characteristics.

It works the opposite way in the civilised world.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 20, 2019, 02:00:36 AM
I joined a V85 Facebook page just to see what there was to see.  Almost all in translated Italian, but there is a lot of chatter about an issue with the handlebars not being straight and the bikes pulling to the left.  Multiple complaints along the same lines.  Seems very odd.  Anyone noticed this issue?
Nah
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on June 20, 2019, 07:00:18 AM

I'm a bit shocked to see the tiny foot on the end of the sidestand.  For a true "tutto terrano" machine, it's going to be a bit dicey to lay up on anything but the firmest ground!  Thankfully your middle-European neighbours at Hepco & Becker have already come up with a solution in a sensibly sized & shaped accessory shoe that fits on the stand foot.  I'm a true believer in a sidestand's solid grounding, having onced woken up to the horrifying sight of my beautiful 900SS Ducati on its side in a pool of petrol from having the sidestand slowly punch its way through sun-heated tarmac!  Guzzi's accessory centre stand would likewise be an extremely useful option too I suspect when heavily laden with luggage!


My solution
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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 20, 2019, 07:36:02 AM
edit:  to remove confusing quotation background.  Apologies to Frans for making his reply out of sequence.

Thanks for that information & photographs Glawster.  I've had a bit of a rubberneck & listen to @ a couple of German vids featuring the bike with the QD midpipe & both with & without a QD can, plus another with the insanely expensive OEM Arrow accessory can.  Less than impressed with the latter 2 personally.  The sound (as much as my ability to interpret the sound through dubious recordings exists) isn't commensurate with the prices charged.  At least the QD can is only about 30-35% of the price of the Arrow.  Personally I'd rather have a go @ gutting the more stylish original.  I seem to recall that there's also top & bottom bolts on the front of the original can.  Maybe it's technically feasible to disassemble said exhaust, re-coring with an ovalised length of s/steel perforated tube wrapped generously with a few roundels of fiberglass acoustic matting in search of a more befitting sonorous bark?

Not that I'm suggesting you have a go or anything of that ilk.  Cannibalising the original equipment of a brand new bike is tantamount to warranty invalidation I suspect.  Just a bit of conjecture on my part.  I just can't help tinkering with my bikes.  Most owners rather sensibly leave well enough alone, at least during the 2-4 year warranty duration!

I quite like the look of the "standard" muffler myself.  Both the Arrow & QD alternatives have a rather boring, generic look, feel & I suspect sound to them.  Somewhere between being disrespectful to; or if not then maybe a bit out of step with the unique character of the bike itself.  That midline crease along the ovate original muffler lends a modicum of unique style & an air of Guzzi idiosyncrasy to the standard bike that the alternative cans seem to lack.  Nevertheless, the bare-bones 2 into 1 QD midpipe seems to be an aesthetic & performance enhancer par excellence.

I'm a bit shocked to see such a tiny foot on the end of the sidestand.  For a true "tutto terrano" machine, it's going to be a bit dicey to lay up on anything but the firmest ground!  Thankfully your middle-European neighbours at Hepco & Becker have already come up with a solution in a sensibly sized & shaped accessory shoe that permanently fits snugly & inconspicuously on the stand foot.  I'm a true believer in a sidestand's solid grounding, having once woken up to the horrifying sight of my beautiful 900SS Ducati on its side in a pool of petrol from having the sidestand slowly punch its way through sun-heated tarmac!  Guzzi's accessory centre stand would likewise be an extremely useful option too I suspect when heavily laden with luggage!

I like H&B accessories, having used a small cherry-picked selection of their product on most of my bikes over the years.  From what I've seen H&B make sensible, quality gear at not-too-outrageous prices.  Pretty good luggage solutions too.

Anyway, thanks again for the reply.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 20, 2019, 08:08:26 AM
Yep.
Mine’ll get the centrestand, crashbars and bigger screen from the get go..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on June 20, 2019, 09:47:44 AM
Mine will have the larger windscreen and crash bars as well, but no center stand.  I have always cut off the foot and welded a larger pad on all my side stands.  I usually can't get the bike on the center stand anyway.  The side stand is more convenient and dosen't drag in corners.  For tire changes I just use the side stand and my Dirt Napper on the opposite side. Talking with Tee at Team Charlotte yesterday, they were invoiced for my bike, so it is getting closer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on June 20, 2019, 10:14:34 AM
I am getting the center stand and engine guards but I am waiting to see what Givi, CalSci and others are going to do for a possible larger screen.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on June 20, 2019, 03:36:54 PM
This email just showed up in my mailbox

Dear Customer,

 

We are thrilled to let you know your Moto Guzzi V85TT is arriving soon, by the end of next week / beginning of July it should reach your selected dealership.

Once the bike arrives to the dealership, the dealer will prepare it and install the accessories you purchased.

 

Please find here below a couple of important information:

    Your dealer will contact you as soon as the bike is ready for pick up
    At the dealership you will have to pay the MSRP + Taxes + PDI + Accessories, minus $2,000 deposit and $250 accessory credit
    We are offering a 5.99% APR 60 months financing promotion on the V85TT

 

We remain at your disposal for any further information or need.

Many Thanks for choosing our brand-new Moto Guzzi V85TT.

 

Best

Marco

 

Piaggio Group Americas

Marketing Team


So I guess time to get ready.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on June 20, 2019, 06:58:09 PM
I am planning the route to get it in NC.  I got my email today.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on June 20, 2019, 09:41:06 PM
I have a little bit of interest in a cable clutch operated Tiger 800 but that thing is seriously stiff and the bike was heavily revised for 2018 so it isn't a legacy system. 

No way to try out the V85TT until my local (300 mile from me shop get's one in).

NC

Clutch is like any modern bike.  Very light.  About 100x lighter than a bevel Ducati or Laverda triple.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on June 20, 2019, 10:01:04 PM
I cannot find the accessories catalog anywhere.  Can you provide a link?

NC


Mine will have the larger windscreen and crash bars as well, but no center stand.  I have always cut off the foot and welded a larger pad on all my side stands.  I usually can't get the bike on the center stand anyway.  The side stand is more convenient and dosen't drag in corners.  For tire changes I just use the side stand and my Dirt Napper on the opposite side. Talking with Tee at Team Charlotte yesterday, they were invoiced for my bike, so it is getting closer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on June 20, 2019, 10:14:57 PM
I cannot find the accessories catalog anywhere.  Can you provide a link?

NC

Does this work?
https://prebookingusav85tt.motoguzzi.com/order.aspx?dea=49

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 20, 2019, 10:46:43 PM
Does this work?
https://prebookingusav85tt.motoguzzi.com/order.aspx?dea=49
Quite well, yes.
Thanks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on June 21, 2019, 03:32:58 AM
I can confirm that the standard screen is pretty useless.  However it's so low that at least you're sitting in laminar airflow, not turbulence.  I knew this would be the case, but I didn't order the high screen as it was another £175 gbp and I thought that by the time the bike arrives there would probably be options from Puig, Givi etc which may be better than the Guzzi high screen.  I'm interested to hear from anyone with the Guzzi high screen how effective it is.
Anyway, in the meantime I have a little deflector left over from my Tiger 800 which I've fitted.  Looks terrible but does make a huge improvement

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on June 21, 2019, 04:49:42 AM
I know I'm asking everybody this but how is the clutch pull?  I know it is impossible for you to tell me what I'll think of it but I'm curious if you would call it lighter, heavier, etc.


NC

Though not hydraulic, extremely light.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on June 21, 2019, 06:41:39 AM
i have that same little deflector on my 1400, and as you say, not pretty but very effective in calming things.  even used on my summer flyscreen, there is good effect.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 22, 2019, 01:07:49 AM
I cannot find the accessories catalog anywhere.  Can you provide a link?

NC


You didn't try very hard............... from the Guzzi website!

https://www.motoguzzi.com/mediaObject/motoguzzi-sites/MASTER/brochure/2019/MG_Catalogo_Accessori_06-2019/original/MG_Catalogo_Accessori_06-2019.pdf
PP 154-167 provides what you're after I think, including part numbers in English & Italian.

also:
https://www.qdexhaust.it/en/product-category/moto-guzzi-en/v-85-tt-en/
for less expensive aftermarket exhausts,  esp. that all-important midpipe I keep bleating about.

plus:
https://www.hepco-shop.de/en/meinbike/moto-guzzi/v-85-tt-2019
a Teutonic range of paraphernalia, incl. alternative luggage systems.

I'd imagine a few other aftermarket manufacturers will not be far behind in new releases either.  The likes of the UK's R&G Racing in particular usually develop a model-specific range for new Euro releases (although nothing yet), and smaller firms like Palmer Products & Pyramid Plastics (touring screens & other gewgaws), not to mention a likely myriad of others who will likely hitch their corporate horses to the V85's extraordinary popularity.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on June 22, 2019, 05:50:29 AM
SNIP
Anyway, in the meantime I have a little deflector left over from my Tiger 800 which I've fitted.  Looks terrible but does make a huge improvement

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I don't think it looks terrible at all. It's in character with the bike and you'll probably get approving nods from the GS folks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 22, 2019, 06:05:40 AM
I’m looking forward to seeing your’s Derek.
Meanwhile, could you post multiple shots here, so I have something to retire under the covers with tonight ? :drool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on June 22, 2019, 11:14:51 PM

I don't think it looks terrible at all. It's in character with the bike and you'll probably get approving nods from the GS folks.
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 :thumb: looks better than stock to me as well
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 23, 2019, 05:20:06 AM
Little bit of stuff from Rizoma Italia now....

http://www.rizoma.com/street/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-v85-tt-2019/en
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on June 23, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
... and you'll probably get approving nods from the GS folks. 

That's an endorsement I would resent.  There isn't a more uglier motorcycle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on June 24, 2019, 02:53:52 AM
That's an endorsement I would resent.  There isn't a more uglier motorcycle.

Well whatever you think of the GS's looks, it's a bloody effective motorcycle.  I toured mine through Europe and the little standard screen results in zero turbulence and buffeting.  You could smoke a fag at 100 mph if you felt like it.  I can't understand why other manufacturers can't supply something as good.  Possibly the higher V85TT screen does do the job?  I look forward to hearing feedback on it.
Anyway ultimately I found the GS just too large and heavy, particularly for manoeuvring around and sold it for a Tiger 800 - a fine motorcycle, but another one with a lousy screen!  If the V85 proves as good a bike as the Tiger 800 I'll be happy.

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on June 24, 2019, 04:13:24 AM
Exhaust alternatives:
https://www.mistralspecialparts.it/en/guzzi-v85/
https://www.qdexhaust.it/en/product-category/moto-guzzi-en/v-85-tt-en/
https://ecommerce.agostinimandello.com/en/15167-v85
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on June 24, 2019, 03:26:23 PM
You could smoke a fag at 100 mph if you felt like it.

You do know this has another meaning in the USA?  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on June 26, 2019, 03:01:35 AM
Lonelec has the V85 diagnostic adapter available now. If you don''t have the older Guzzidiag cableset, you also need the KKL adapter.

https://www.lonelec.co.uk/Motorbike-and-Car-OBD2-Adaptors/OBD2-Motorbike-Adaptors/Euro5-6-Pin-OBD2-Adaptor-ISO19689
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on June 26, 2019, 11:31:16 AM
Lonelec has the V85 diagnostic adapter available now. If you don''t have the older Guzzidiag cableset, you also need the KKL adapter.

https://www.lonelec.co.uk/Motorbike-and-Car-OBD2-Adaptors/OBD2-Motorbike-Adaptors/Euro5i-6-Pin-OBD2-Adaptor-ISO19689

Needed for GuzziDiag I assume?  Do we know what ECU the V85 is using?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lannis on June 26, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
You do know this has another meaning in the USA?  :grin:

Either one would probably still work .... :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on June 26, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
Needed for GuzziDiag I assume?  Do we know what ECU the V85 is using?

Yes for Guzzidiag, current version select California 1400, since it has same Ecu, next version will have seperate V85 entrance, but for now only optical. And the Ecu is 7SM.
There is little unknown about the V85. This adapter came out of my request to Lonelec. Since there didn't exist anything.
Diagnostics and mapping is possible.
 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on June 26, 2019, 03:21:15 PM
Yes for Guzzidiag, current version select California 1400, since it has same Ecu, next version will have seperate V85 entrance, but for now only optical. And the Ecu is 7SM.
There is little unknown about the V85. This adapter came out of my request to Lonelec. Since there didn't exist anything.
Diagnostics and mapping is possible.

Excellent information, thanks for that and I'll be ordering one up soon.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on June 26, 2019, 03:30:24 PM
Lonelec now have a new adapter for the V85 for hooking up Guzzidiag.  It also has the advantage of not having to make separate battery connections.

Euro5 OBD2 6 Pin Plug Adaptor Cable Model: E5LE0616ADAP

Mine is on its way.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on June 26, 2019, 03:36:23 PM
The V85 uses the 7SM, same as the Cali 14.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 26, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
Posted by Jim Hamlin on Facebook:

"The first batch of 4 V85's is on it's way to my shop, Hamlin Cycles. They should arrive next week. 2 of them are spoken for but I have a Red/White and a Grey available."

MG Cycle has the Mistral slip-on in stock, carbon and polished stainless:
http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26_105&products_id=5387
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: averb on June 26, 2019, 11:11:20 PM
For those of you in Sydney I dropped in to Motociclo this morning and John now has a demo bike. There is a yellow and white bike on the floor but someone put a deposit on it 10 minutes before I walked in. I think these are the only 2 bikes he could get from the second shipment, all the first shipment were sold before they landed.

Steve
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: john fish on June 28, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
Rode one today.  Some random thoughts.
The gray is bland and a mistake. 
Passing power feels equivalent to my Jackal.  Maybe a bit better.
The mirrors are fantastic.
The gears shift like a rifle bolt.  Very good.
The engine is veeery smooth.  Almost like a Honda.  The gear indicator and rev limiter are useful.  I rode my V11 Sport over to the test ride and it's like night and day.  The V11 engine has a huge amount of character and lets you know what's happening at all times.  You definitely know that large metal bits are violently being tossed about by explosions just underneath.  The TT is a bit bland in comparison.  However, it still has that broad torque band that can make for deceptively quick progress.
The analog gauges on the V11 are much easier to read than the digital screen.
Clutch is crazy light.
Fork dive is noticeable under braking but that's to be expected.
Suspension is road compliant but not dirt bike soft.  I hit a pothole on purpose and felt it; especially in the rear suspension.
Steering is very light.  Due, I imagine, to the slender and tall front wheel and wide bars.  I liked it.
Impossible to ride with forefoot on the pegs- the passenger peg mount gets in the way and makes it uncomfortable.
The little screen seems to work OK.  I didn't have it on the highway but it kept the wind manageable.
Ergonomics were OK for me.  I'm 6'2" with about 33" inseam.  The seat is scooped and kind of keeps you in one spot.  Very nice for riding the twisties, might be uncomfortable for a couple hundred miles.

I'll put it this way.  I did 400 miles on the Jackal last weekend and 160 miles on the V11 Sport today.  All in all, I'd have rather been on the V85TT for both rides.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on June 29, 2019, 05:18:17 AM
A few more thoughts after 2 weeks and 620 miles:
 - So far, respecting the running in protocols I have a genuine 62mpg (UK).  The fuel computer is 100% accurate.  Fuel warning light comes on a bit early with 90 miles to go.  Range is close to 300 miles.
 - Quality of the whole bike really seems very high.
 - Handling, ride quality and brakes are exceptional.  This is the biggest advantage I find after a Tiger 800.
 - Instruments are very clear.  I take John's point about preferring analogue gauges, but for a digital display it's really excellent.  Easily read in bright sunshine wearing shades.
 - I haven't tried the engine modes as I can't see the advantage of having less power.  Talking of power, the mid range from 3k upwards is great.  It's very flexible below that with perfect fuelling and for me it's fine, but for some I think it might be a bit lacking in oomph, particularly 2 up.
 - The low screen is too short to offer any wind protection, but I don't get any buffeting (5' 10").  Adding a Puig wind deflector gives a significant improvement but I will probably change to a higher screen.
 -  Yes, it's bland compared to an old Guzzi, but I would imagine to someone used to only modern bikes that they would find it brimming with character.
 - For me the real weakness is the gearchange around town.  While it doesn't crash into first gear like a BMW, all upchanges through the lower gears are accompanied by a significant clonk.  This I assume is consistent with modern Guzzis lacking any flywheel weight?  My only experience is owning a Griso, which was worse in this respect.  Switching to my V7 Sport gives completely silent changes.  Perhaps it will improve with more miles, but really it's the only point I'm not happy with.
 - The front mudguard is as you might expect, completely useless.  It offers zero protection to the front of the engine.  I hope someone comes up with an aesthetically acceptable lower mudguard solution.
 - One thing that does intrigue me is that almost all fasteners on the bike have been marked with yellow paint.  It's not like they are anti-tamper markings which would be broken by removing the fastener, so I don't really understand their purpose.  Will ask the dealer when it returns for the first service.
 - Oh and I'd love to know the purpose of the hole right through the crankcases!

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on June 29, 2019, 05:39:42 AM
The yellow paint is put there after the fasteners are torqued to spec at the factory. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: john fish on June 29, 2019, 07:38:45 AM

 - Quality of the whole bike really seems very high.

 - Handling, ride quality and brakes are exceptional.  This is the biggest advantage I find after a Tiger 800.

 - Instruments are very clear.  I take John's point about preferring analogue gauges, but for a digital display it's really excellent.  Easily read in bright sunshine wearing shades.

 - I haven't tried the engine modes as I can't see the advantage of having less power.  Talking of power, the mid range from 3k upwards is great.  It's very flexible below that with perfect fuelling and for me it's fine, but for some I think it might be a bit lacking in oomph, particularly 2 up.
 -  Yes, it's bland compared to an old Guzzi, but I would imagine to someone used to only modern bikes that they would find it brimming with character.

 - For me the real weakness is the gearchange around town.  While it doesn't crash into first gear like a BMW, all upchanges through the lower gears are accompanied by a significant clonk. 

Agree on the quality.  Definitely seems up to Asian standards.

I quite liked the ride quality.  My only previous experience with these ADV types is with a KTM 990.  The Katoom was quite soft and dirt bikey.  I think the TT will give a better road experience with more control than the KTM but it won't float over our local sharp edged swimming pool sized potholes.  Still best to avoid the craters.  It did do an excellent job over ripples and small deviations.

Good point on the instruments.  They were highly visible on a sunny day in both direct sunshine and in the shade.  I'm sure one would get used to reading all the info at a glance over time.  I'm just used to old-fashioned dedicated analog gauges.

The engine was really quite nice.  Not the pandemonium attachment quality (see below) of the old big block but a thoroughly modern and smooth power source.  Flexible with excellent fuelling as reported.  Reminds me of riding with a friend on a similarly powered machine.  I pulled away from him on some back roads and he thought my V11 Sport must have some huge amount of power.  Not really, it's just that I didn't have to shift for a good 10 miles while he was constantly rowing through gears.  The new TT offers similar flexibility.

If my, admittedly brief, experience is anything to go by, you will be very pleased as your gearbox breaks in.  Really, the change was smooth as glass and shifted with a toe tap.  I did laugh as it took me 2 or 3 taps to find 1st from neutral when I initially pulled away but that was the only glitch and didn't reoccur. 
Recently, I had to spend a few weeks commuting in town on my Jackal and it was a bit of a pain.  The clonky gearchange and drive train slop combined with the abrupt on/off nature of the old fuel injection was unpleasant at low speed stop-and-go conditions.

I'm envious of your TT.  I wish I could afford one at this time.  As it is, I'll probably be selling my Jackal, V11 Sport and old Eldo project to come up with some cash.  It really is a nice ride.  I'm also happy to hear that the suspension is better than the Triumph.  That seems to be the main TT competitor.

Oh, here's the reference to Pandemonium Attachments:

https://lproven.livejournal.com/304326.html

"MOTORCYCLES. By George Fitch (1916)

A motorcycle is a bicycle with pandemonium attachment, and is designed for the
especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics.

The motorcycle is equipped with a motor small enough to be put in a large pocket and loud enough to fill a large Coliseum comfortably.

This motor is connected with the rear wheel of a bicycle, and when it is in the mood will revolve the wheel with tremendous force, thus causing the bicycle to proceed from hither to yon over buggies, pedestrians, fences and small outbuildings."






Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on June 30, 2019, 07:08:01 AM
Copied from Maryland thread:

I was supposed to be on the test ride yesterday with you but I had to bail and go pick up my bike at Team Charlotte.  After 460mi in the truck I made a deal with Tee to leave my truck at their place for the weekend while I play on the V85.  My bags did not come in yet so I put on some Wolfman soft bags from a dirt bike.  I do not like had top cases (I want to be able slide out if necessary in a crash) so I put on a kayak deck bag.  I had this on my 990 and it works well.  I put in the key, pulled out on the road in front of the shop and within 10 seconds the dash lit up like a Christmas tree in the first three gears - it is a VERY willing rever and I had to back off.  Here are some random thoughts so far with about 150mi on it.

Fit and finish is really good.  I’m not a fan of the red frame but it is only paint so I have an idea - the headlight support and the bolton tail sections are easily removed so I will strip them and powder coat them black.  It will tone it down and I think the red frame will look great.  Bear in mind this is only MY opinion, so just an option out there.

The handle bars are the right height but I will cut off about 1”-1 1/2”.
 
The gears engage very easily with only a positive click - so un Guzzi like.  A small problem is at a red light finding neutral.  I find it easier to click down from second while rolling to a stop rather than clicking up from first.  It could even be in the clutch adjustment.  I will play with it tomorrow, hopefully I will be meeting up with Dracula (Vic) somewhere around the Dragon.

The clutch is probably the best mechanical clutch I have ever used, except I cant wait to cut the ends off.  I only use one or two fingers - personal preference.

Engine power is very smooth.  They were right when they described it as linear.  Anything above 2500rpm it pulls quite strong.  Not as strong as my KTM 990 but stronger than my F800GSA.  It doesn’t have the depth of power that my Norge or Stelvio have but it is not a 1200cc either.  I think it will be perfect as is, well maybe put in a cross over pipe for the cat.

I did cruise at 75mph a little.  At 76 the warning light starts to show so extreme top end will not be much above 100mph.  Starting I am still searching for the stall point but the clutch is sooo good you can slip it and I have yet to stall it at extreme bottom end (1000rpm).

Ergonomics were very good.  I am 5’-10” 160# with 31” inseam.  Knee angle was very comfortable but I am going to experiment removing the rubber inserts tomorrow to see about helping the transition to standing on rougher sections.  It is NOT a dirt bike but should be very capable.

This bike is so stable I feel like I should stand on the seat, well not really.  It is extremely solid though and little, if anything will punch it off course.  Tomorrow I will be doing More twisties   so I will let you know how it corners and transitions from one turn to the next. 

Suspension is pretty darn good right off the bat in the lowest preload.  It might look at a little less compression damping or maybe a lighter fluid.  I plan on finding mixed surfaces tomorrow to test it a little better.

The rear foot peg mounts may need to be tweaked a little.  They tend to hit the inside of my heels when I stand on the balls of my feet.  I will pay closer attention to this tomorrow on dirt/gravel sections.

I have the tall screen and it is much more protection.  It is also pretty rigid but the air flow does hit me in the face.  If I duck about two inches it is quiet.  There is no buffeting though and I rode with my visor up to about 55mph.  After that I used the visor down method.  I will probably try a laminar lip to lift the airstream a little.

My wife asked me on the phone if it made me smile.  I said yes!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzimaster on June 30, 2019, 06:16:02 PM
I'm riding vicariously with all; as my V85TT has yet to arrive in Portland, Oregon.  Should have arrived mid-May.  It is so   :weiner: hard to be patient. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 30, 2019, 06:25:26 PM
The truck will be at Woodstock Powersports in Illinois Tuesday and Wednesday,  which I believe is the last stop for the demo.  I am taking Wednesday off from work to go out with my son to test ride.  Wednesday also coincides with my 65th birthday.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 02, 2019, 12:17:26 AM
Adjustable screens, luggage tiedowns & racks etc. from Isotta Italia.

https://shop.isotta-srl.com/it/moto.html?manufacturer=508&models=1382

Unfortunately, no sign of any accessory lower front guard from anybody yet.  Who makes these things anyway?  Acerbis?  R&G?  SW Moto?

I'm not a huge fan of those large flappy upper mudguards personally.  My only bike ever thus equipped (KTM GS600) was prone to the wanders at  speed on dirt or tarmac.  I'm sure it was down to that large plastic windsock strapped to the bottom triple clamp.  You could actually see the thing flapping about in gusty conditions.

Many riders hate the aesthetics of the BMW/Suzuki ADV rigid upper duckbill/lower mudguard setup, but in my opinion this combination offers excellent & superior protection from damage to BOTH the headlamp & engine front in gravel riding.  Bugger the aesthetic considerations:  prevention of the engine covers/headers/barrel fins being perpetually shot-peened by flying stones from the front wheel trumps the more rugged "outdoorsy" look of the big upper 'guard.

I also suspect (riders please correct me if I'm wrong) that the engine guard is situated & shaped to perfectly catch & accumulate dirt, dust, mud & pebbles coming from the front wheel & dripping off the timing cover too.  I hope it's easy enough to hose out.  A lower mudguard would all but eliminate this altogether;  losing the back half of the upper would also enhance cooling airflow to the airbox?? & 'insides' of the barrels in the apex of the vee. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alanp on July 02, 2019, 07:10:32 AM
Adjustable screens, luggage tiedowns & racks etc. from Isotta Italia.

https://shop.isotta-srl.com/it/moto.html?manufacturer=508&models=1382

Unfortunately, no sign of any accessory lower front guard from anybody yet.  Who makes these things anyway?  Acerbis?  R&G?  SW Moto?

Here is a photo from Moto Guzzi V85 Facebook page.  Guy says the fender is from a Yamaha FZ400.


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alfaguzzi on July 02, 2019, 01:53:43 PM
I belive a front fender from Aprilia Caponord 1200 Rally will fit the bracket.


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on July 02, 2019, 04:33:14 PM
I also suspect (riders please correct me if I'm wrong) that the engine guard is situated & shaped to perfectly catch & accumulate dirt, dust, mud & pebbles coming from the front wheel & dripping off the timing cover too.  I hope it's easy enough to hose out. 

You're right on the mark.  First open road ride I took included a bit of road works, where crap flipped up made a beeline for the top of the guard.  A real front bum to clean, it's almost impossible to get access to.  Hose alone, was ineffective.

Coupled with road tar and other nasty things accumulating there, I'm considering repainting the top (inside) of the cover to make it less obvious.  I might try masking tape first to get an idea whether this will work.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redhawk47 on July 02, 2019, 10:50:38 PM
- Oh and I'd love to know the purpose of the hole right through the crankcases!
For mounting the engine is other frames, yet to be announced.
The V7's use the thru the crankcase mounting system.
It's a current small block standard.

Dan
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 03, 2019, 02:48:31 AM
Here is a photo from Moto Guzzi V85 Facebook page.  Guy says the fender is from a Yamaha FZ400.


(https://i.ibb.co/7NXgN0t/742695-DD-3195-4-D4-B-9817-377-CDA3029-D3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7NXgN0t)


Thanks Alan.  That Yamaha 'guard fits:  maybe a tad too tightly 'though?  Without knowledge to the contrary I'd expect Yamaha's bike to be 17" front wheel equipped??  It just appears to follow the Guzzi's 19" wheel arc too closely, disallowing the easy escape of the inevitable mud, crud & pebbles that will undoubtedly be picked up & thrown out by the Guzzi's 80/20 Michelin Anakies or equivalent dirt-road tyres.

What's that blanking cover attached to the lower triple clamp for I wonder?  Covering up the original high 'guard mounting holes maybe? Seems a likely place to squeeze in a brace of Fiamm air-horn trumpets perhaps?

Mere conjecture on my part here.  Any other pics available?  I'd like to see the whole bike in profile to assess the aesthetics without that big "balancing" upper guard fitted.  Couldn't find the relevant Facebook page myself.  I like the Alitalia-esque corporate colours too, but viewed as we see it from the front right quarter maybe it's a bit bug-eyed without anything colourful or massive in that covered gap for'ard of the triple-clamp.



(https://i.ibb.co/DVm149P/20190620-135444.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DVm149P)



I belive a front fender from Aprilia Caponord 1200 Rally will fit the bracket.

Thanks AlfaGuzzi.  That Caponord 'guard surely looks the biz.  In a rugged, outdoorsy sort of way.  The 'Priller's front wheel is also 19", so it could be a successful physical match too, assuming the requisite 6 lower mounting points actually exist.

I'm actually surprised that Piaggio didn't select a Sachs front-end for the V85 instead of the Kayaba fork.  Corporate machinations, contractual negotiations & undoubtedly budgetary constraints (maybe, even, as a last resort, actual performance parameters) deemed otherwise I suppose.

That dark, matt, near-black faux-carbon look to the plastics would make it tend to aesthetically "disappear" against the rubber black/grey of the tyre.  It contrasts beautifully with the gold of the Aprilia's Sachs fork.  Contrasting against a silver Kayaba rather than gold Sachs fork & losing the shovel-shaped, brightly painted upper guard,  I wonder how that would effect the Guzzi's side & front profiles & the visual balance of the bike?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: sliphorn on July 03, 2019, 07:59:53 AM
The truck will be at Woodstock Powersports in Illinois Tuesday and Wednesday,  which I believe is the last stop for the demo.  I am taking Wednesday off from work to go out with my son to test ride.  Wednesday also coincides with my 65th birthday.
-------

I was there yesterday and rode the V85TT and the Bobber Sport. Loved them both but the V85 would be my choice. Outstanding! Happy Birthday.

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on July 03, 2019, 02:08:39 PM
The stars aligned in a good way today.  Today is my 65th birthday and it just happens to coincide with the last day of the V85TT demo tour.  My son and I both took vacation days and rode out to Woodstock (IL) Powersports.  I rode my Norge, and my son Kristian rode my V7.

We were greeted by Dan, who is a very good host for this event, signed up and then proceeded to ride all the bikes he had to offer, V85 of both flavors, V9 Bobber Sport, and V7III.

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Both of us were very impressed with the V85.  My son is now very much wanting to get one once his budget allows.    The V85 fits Kristian to a T!

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I found the V85 ergos  to be as close to ideal for me as any bike I have ridden!!.  The seat was excellent.  My only concern would be the seat height.  I have to tip toe it around at walking speed. 

After riding the V85 the Bobber Sport was impressive, but wouldn't be my choice.  I didn't find the seat comfortable, and the footpegs were in such a position that they always seemed to be in the way when putting your feet down at a stop.

I haven't had the chance to ride the new V7IIIs yet and am happy to report it was great!  It was everything I like about my V7, except a bit more.   The 6 speed gearbox is very nice and and is a noticeable improvement over the 5 speed in my V7.  As nice as the V7III is I do not feel compelled in any  way to sell the V7 to get one.  The V7 is still a wonderful bike.  There is just a little more to love about the V7III

Riding the Norge back home I was amazed at the ergonomic differences between it and the V85!   It was weird how high the Norge footpegs felt after riding the V85, and how much more folded up my legs were underneath me.  The V85 wins my ergonomic category hands down except for the seat height, which of course is not a factor when underway.   I can flat foot my Norge at a stop.

I really liked the V85 and would think about buying one if I didn't have a Norge.  The Norge is such a great bike and it's 8V motor has more grunt and character of course.   Since the kind of riding I would be doing would be similar for the Norge and V85, I will just keep the Norge. 

Someone rode in on a V65 to test the V85.  Not many of these around!  Forum member??

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on July 03, 2019, 08:01:14 PM
Part two of the impressions after mile 900mile weekend on my new V85.
Quote "Speaking of noise the Michelin Anakee Adventure tires are noisy however. In a straight line they aren't bad but any deviation from straight up elicits a fairly loud tire wine. The tires do seem to provide good grip and turn in characteristics which is obviously more important."

Well this is good to here as I mentioned this same thing when I got back for my 600mi warranty check on Tuesday.  I couldn't tell if it was the tire but glad it is.  Anyway, I couldn't get the check as I had to head back North but I do have 900mi on it for the weekend.  One thing I mentioned in the first impression was having trouble to find first while at a stop.  Now it is very easy to shift all the way to first then it will click into neutral very easily.  It just needed a little time to break in.  Speaking of gears, the ratio and spread of the gears seems to be low enough in first and still have enough in fifth and sixth to cruise on the highway.  The shift to second, third, and fourth has a very precise click, click.  Never once, did it refuse to go into gear, miss-shift, or even give any problem.

The fueling as I said before, is spot on and I averaged right under 50mpg.  The day in the mountain twisty roads I pretty much stayed in third and sometimes fourth.  The sweet spot seems to be from 3500rpm to 5000rpm.  You can go higher but the warning lights come on.  I did some roll-on tests on level ground; 40m/h > 70m/h = 8sec,  50m/h > 80m/h = 5sec, 60m/h > 7sec, and 70m/h > 95m/h = 7sec.  I didn't want to push it even though I had over 800mi on it by that point.

Handling has not changed in that it has to be one of the most stable bikes I have ever ridden - no sign of frame flex what so ever.  The way I adapted to riding in the twisties was to grip the tank with my knees and roll with my hips.  It is very fluid and is a joy to ride.  Probably the fastest I done the Dragon of any bike I have had there.  Braking is very positive and was a one or two finger application, never any more.  Suspension was perfect on smooth roads but I would go a couple clicks less on compression.  Certainly, for every day it would be probably great as is.

The fit and finish is really good and I got dozens of people coming over to look at it and comment.  On two occasions as I headed up the interstate with the bike in the bed, I passed a car.  No sooner did I just get past and they sped up and stayed off my flank.  In my mirror I saw someone roll down the window, lean out, and snap a picture.  I got used to the switching and I actually liked using something I thought was a joke - cruise control.  Who needs that?  I guess I do because it was something I used quite often.

The only major thing I will be altering (and I do a LOT of altering on all my things - not just bikes) will be the passenger peg mounts.  I never ride someone so I will probably just take them off, or fabricate a new set which tucks in closer.  The problem is that when I ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs it will push my heels outward (pigeon toed).  Moto Guzzi has a real hit on their hands.  It can be mellow enough for a novice to ride, and has plenty for the more experienced rider.  WELL DONE Marco !  I am glad I already have mine because I think getting one will be difficult with the demand the V85 will generate.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on July 04, 2019, 05:02:51 AM
The only major thing I will be altering (and I do a LOT of altering on all my things - not just bikes) will be the passenger peg mounts.  I never ride someone so I will probably just take them off, or fabricate a new set which tucks in closer.  The problem is that when I ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs it will push my heels outward (pigeon toed).  Moto Guzzi has a real hit on their hands.  It can be mellow enough for a novice to ride, and has plenty for the more experienced rider.  WELL DONE Marco !  I am glad I already have mine because I think getting one will be difficult with the demand the V85 will generate.

I had them replaced by Wunderlich pegs.
More comfort for the passenger, easier for her to mount and not in the way of my heels.
Look on the site of Wunderlich under passenger footrests.


(https://i.ibb.co/GF7BnrK/20190704-120645.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GF7BnrK)

(https://i.ibb.co/dg5N5QJ/20190704-120650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dg5N5QJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/16NQtCD/20190704-120654.jpg) (https://ibb.co/16NQtCD)


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on July 04, 2019, 07:33:04 AM
The pegs are not the concern.  As a dirt rider I have learned to ride on the forward part of your foot as it prevents catching your toes on a rock or log and breaking something.  It is the bracket itself that prevents that position.  For a normal foot position, the location of the rear pegs and bracket is fine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on July 04, 2019, 05:56:02 PM
Here is the Guzzidiag cable as Lonelec makes them, something every V85 owner should order, before there might be a problem.


(https://i.ibb.co/ZJmcNm4/IMG-1752.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZJmcNm4)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: john fish on July 04, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
I wonder if this explains what I thought was my difficulty in finding 1st gear from neutral?  From an Australian review:


The other annoyance is that while there is a gear position indicator, there is no gear position sensor on the gearbox. Instead the ECU works out what gear it is in via a combination of RPM and rear wheel speed. This means that when you are sandwiched between two trucks after lane-splitting to the front of the traffic lights the neutral light does not go out until you start rolling, which had me on tenterhooks when the lights went green as to whether I was actually in gear or not


https://www.mcnews.com.au/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-review-motorcycle-test/

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on July 04, 2019, 06:51:27 PM
I wonder if this explains what I thought was my difficulty in finding 1st gear from neutral?  From an Australian review:


The other annoyance is that while there is a gear position indicator, there is no gear position sensor on the gearbox. Instead the ECU works out what gear it is in via a combination of RPM and rear wheel speed. This means that when you are sandwiched between two trucks after lane-splitting to the front of the traffic lights the neutral light does not go out until you start rolling, which had me on tenterhooks when the lights went green as to whether I was actually in gear or not


https://www.mcnews.com.au/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-review-motorcycle-test/
I read that too , hard to accept. I thought neutral light was mandated by US regs a long time ago, stationary light not quite the same thing
But easy fixed with tape over idiot light , does anyone really need this or gear indicator light anyway?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on July 04, 2019, 06:56:07 PM
I read that too , hard to accept. I thought neutral light was mandated by US regs a long time ago, stationary light not quite the same thing
But easy fixed with tape over idiot light , does anyone really need this or gear indicator light anyway?

I commented on it on my review of my test ride, I had no idea why the neutral light didn't go out when I clicked into first but I guess it was normal behavior, annoying at the very least.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on July 04, 2019, 07:20:11 PM
I first came across this with the V7-III Stone.

It's not a true gear indicator system, the gear selected is determined by a calculation of the speed and the engine revs.  This is why it is not present when you are stationary, although there is another "Neutral" display when no gear is selected.

I prefer the system on the Cali 1400, but it ain't perfect either.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on July 04, 2019, 08:24:53 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/jr0CsMj/IMG-5776.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jr0CsMj)

(https://i.ibb.co/Mg0pbsp/IMG-5785.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mg0pbsp)
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(https://i.ibb.co/7WT8kZP/IMG-5786.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7WT8kZP)

(https://i.ibb.co/YhjgNZ9/IMG-5796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YhjgNZ9)

(https://i.ibb.co/WHKC7wk/IMG-5802.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WHKC7wk)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: john fish on July 04, 2019, 08:30:48 PM
I wonder if this explains what I thought was my difficulty in finding 1st gear from neutral?  From an Australian review:


The other annoyance is that while there is a gear position indicator, there is no gear position sensor on the gearbox. Instead the ECU works out what gear it is in via a combination of RPM and rear wheel speed. This means that when you are sandwiched between two trucks after lane-splitting to the front of the traffic lights the neutral light does not go out until you start rolling, which had me on tenterhooks when the lights went green as to whether I was actually in gear or not


https://www.mcnews.com.au/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-review-motorcycle-test/

I've been told by a friend that the gearbox does have a neutral switch. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on July 04, 2019, 08:38:09 PM
Part#48

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48200960137_488c7810db_z.jpg)

It's a neutral switch. Yes the gear selected is calculated by a road/engine speed comparison but the neutral light is still governed by a simple switch. My guess is if it isn't going out until the bike moves it's more likely to be an issue with the dogs not mating until the shafts spin and the pawl spring exerting force on the drum completes the engagement as the clutch is released and the drum turns enough to activate the switch.

If there is one thing Guzzi have got very good at in the last decade and a bit it's gearboxes. The only thing I find a bit odd is they've dropped the oil pump. I'll have to look a bit and see if they've reverted to needle rollers under the pinions, that would be nice.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on July 04, 2019, 09:57:05 PM
Yeah but
Hedges mcnews test infers light comes on when already in gear then pulling clutch in to stop
Parts book makes that sound unlikely unless sender on his was Friday one (or 70’s leftover)
I’m doubting him
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on July 04, 2019, 10:26:56 PM
He's a moto 'Journalist' which means he wouldn't know his arse from a hole in the ground.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on July 05, 2019, 02:20:36 AM
Neutral light seems to work normally to me!
One issue though is that the gear indicator goes out when the clutch is pulled in, so if you forget what gear you're in at a standstill you only find out when the clutch is engaged.
To be honest though, first gear is so low I'm preferring to set off in second.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on July 05, 2019, 03:45:50 AM
Neutral light seems to work normally to me!
One issue though is that the gear indicator goes out when the clutch is pulled in, so if you forget what gear you're in at a standstill you only find out when the clutch is engaged.


Right, that is a bit annoying. 
None of my previous Guzzis had gear indicators, and I didn't miss them. 
My previous Bmw had an indicator that showed gears at all times, and I very quickly got used to that.
And now, I'm bothered from time to time that the V85 waits until the clutch is released to show the actual gear.
One gets very easily spoiled ;-)
And yes, first gear is low, but setting off in second ?  I wonder if that wouldn't kill the clutch in the long run? I won't do it.


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on July 05, 2019, 12:57:06 PM
in 1977 I had a Suzuki GS550 that had a gear indicator that worked perfect. So what is new, on one side I don't need/want one, for the other part of the world who is happy with it, it should be there. ANd if it can work without some mechanical switch that can break, fine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on July 06, 2019, 07:39:53 AM
 try covering the gear indicator with a bit of tape so you cant see it and  ride the motorcycle ...after a while  you probably wont miss it  :whip2:

problem solved   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 06, 2019, 07:43:06 AM
Can I ask why you would EVER need it ?
If you need a different gear, will knowing which one you’re currently in, make any difference ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on July 06, 2019, 07:44:37 AM
Can I ask why you would EVER need it ?
If you need a different gear, will knowing which one you’re currently in, make any difference ?





 :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on July 06, 2019, 04:25:20 PM
Can I ask why you would EVER need it ?
If you need a different gear, will knowing which one you’re currently in, make any difference ?

The V85 is lower geared than my previous Guzzis.  I keep trying for 7th gear, the indicator is a beacon to stop trying.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on July 06, 2019, 05:18:00 PM
Can I ask why you would EVER need it ?
If you need a different gear, will knowing which one you’re currently in, make any difference ?

I ride by the "feel' of the engine, and actual speed by the rev counter.  My Breva came with mph/kph speedo, and it is BUSY.  We ride on the other side of the road from the States, the rev counter is on the right hand side of the dash and it is much easier to read the rev counter. (100kph = 4000rpm) Also, oncoming traffic comes at me from the RHS and a few too many tourists in their camper vans means that eyes focused up ahead is good.

I haave at times tried to change in to 6th gear though :embarrassed:, when she is warmed up it does like that 5000rpm band. :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on July 06, 2019, 06:17:42 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/RSdn3Bn/MVIMG-20190706-100637.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RSdn3Bn)


Don from the local dealer was riding this one today.  Maybe I'll get a test ride on it? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: sliphorn on July 07, 2019, 08:09:31 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/RSdn3Bn/MVIMG-20190706-100637.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RSdn3Bn)


Don from the local dealer was riding this one today.  Maybe I'll get a test ride on it?
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I hope you get a chance to ride it. I found it to be perfect for me and probably the nicest motorcycle I've ever ridden.

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 07, 2019, 02:43:13 PM
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I hope you get a chance to ride it. I found it to be perfect for me and probably the nicest motorcycle I've ever ridden.

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They are nice, but whatever you do don’t buy that colour mate..
It looks like Bulgarian Army surplus !
Also that bash plate will be coming off mine in the first 5 minutes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on July 07, 2019, 04:46:30 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/RSdn3Bn/MVIMG-20190706-100637.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RSdn3Bn)


Don from the local dealer was riding this one today.  Maybe I'll get a test ride on it?

Saw him ride in on it at Pops. He let me take it for a spin (out to Luther and back). I was pretty impressed with the bike. Guzzi has done a nice job on the bike. If there are no "new design" big issues with it, could be as popular as the V7 series.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on July 07, 2019, 05:03:54 PM
well doggon it, Darren.  I rode to Pop's yesterday.

How's it compare to your Stel?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Devildog on July 07, 2019, 05:19:58 PM
Is the skid plate at all functional? It looks too light in pics.
(https://i.ibb.co/GcFDr71/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GcFDr71)

This one on my dirt bike isn't pretty but it works.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on July 07, 2019, 06:03:51 PM
well doggon it, Darren.  I rode to Pop's yesterday.

How's it compare to your Stel?

Much lighter, very neutral and stable handling, and smooth power. The Stelvio is much heavier and more raw power, with a lot more vibration. The power seemed pretty linear and adequate but not over the top that gives a rush. The throttle was just a little bit snatchy at 3000 RPM (I repeated to make sure what I was feeling) but at 4000 RPM was very good. It revs very freely and 0 to 70 was just churn through the gears, going pretty quick. I was only able to run it up to 85 but up there it's power starts to show a little lacking compared to other middle weight bikes. Even with the extra weight, the Stelvio felt like it would go 60 to 100 MPH much quicker.

I was riding the GS so comparing it to that was similar ergos with less weight and less power. I couldn't help trying to compare it with my FJ09, softer suspension maybe a bit more stable, not as crisp handling and about the same amount of power if the V85 in sportiest mode and the FJ09 in rain mode "B".  That said the FJ09 is kind of "frantic" power wise, it likes to go and go quickly.

All that said, I think the V85TT hits the mark dead on for what it was designed for. It's not a hooligan bike, but a very capable do anything bike. Maybe when I get older and more mature.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on July 07, 2019, 06:08:08 PM
I am probably not old enough for the intended customer. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on July 07, 2019, 06:24:42 PM
I am probably not old enough for the intended customer.

It won't have that "rush" you want when you twist the throttle.   :grin:

For those type of bike ergos, you would probably want a Multistrada 1200, to go with the Ducati shirts you have. I would recommend the Pikes Peak model.   :drool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on July 07, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
It won't have that "rush" you want when you twist the throttle.   :grin:

For those type of bike ergos, you would probably want a Multistrada 1200, to go with the Ducati shirts you have. I would recommend the Pikes Peak model.   :drool:

If you haven't guessed, I not particularly fond of Adventure style bikes. I have a friend with a GS and he's been trying to get rid of it for years- that's gotta tell ya something.  But yeah, I'd probably prefer the one described over the others.  But I like a bike with a little bit of tuck ....... 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on July 07, 2019, 06:39:22 PM
If you haven't guessed, I not particularly fond of Adventure style bikes. I have a friend with a GS and he's been trying to get rid of it for years- that's gotta tell ya something.  But yeah, I'd probably prefer the one described over the others.  But I like a bike with a little bit of tuck .......

That's only because of the "BMW" cost to repair part, not the riding.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 08, 2019, 04:13:57 AM
Bugger you Derek (Glawster)
I just set myself back 8 weeks in my quest to own a V85.
I had first dibs on a red/white one but relinquished that opportunity to wait for one of the TWO red ones to come to Oz in October...  :sad:
Rosso Volcano apparently.
Still, what else was a bloke to do ?
(https://i.ibb.co/yFhs7c4/57-B296-CA-4-A5-E-467-C-B8-D1-EFA7-A73-ABEE4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yFhs7c4)

(https://i.ibb.co/vw23KPV/44602-E01-7-C6-E-4-F72-B184-BB40-A1-E82-A6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vw23KPV)

(https://i.ibb.co/9Ht26fw/EE807601-FEBF-44-F2-A06-A-826231-A35-FFC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9Ht26fw)

(https://i.ibb.co/JBqhypK/8422203-C-BAA6-4954-AC5-E-71-E0-E3202-B4-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JBqhypK)

(https://i.ibb.co/KLkxzTb/B681-B6-D2-D314-4-FEB-AFE2-C6831-B2-B3-F12.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KLkxzTb)

(https://i.ibb.co/CtFHzYS/6-D679-BA8-A547-46-E9-B11-F-3448911808-FB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CtFHzYS)

It’ll go nicely with this..

(https://i.ibb.co/NKJ17Np/AE7-CD157-8-E9-F-4-A77-AA8-F-847133-CCA643.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NKJ17Np)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 08, 2019, 05:38:39 AM
Is the skid plate at all functional? It looks too light in pics.
(https://i.ibb.co/GcFDr71/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GcFDr71)

This one on my dirt bike isn't pretty but it works.
It’s garbage..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: sliphorn on July 08, 2019, 12:30:18 PM
They are nice, but whatever you do don’t buy that colour mate..
It looks like Bulgarian Army surplus !
Also that bash plate will be coming off mine in the first 5 minutes.
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I hear ya! That was the color I rode and I agree. Looks like a Bulgarian Makarov. Will you replace the bash late with something in the aftermarket?

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 08, 2019, 10:38:36 PM
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I hear ya! That was the color I rode and I agree. Looks like a Bulgarian Makarov. Will you replace the bash late with something in the aftermarket?

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Yes mate.
There’s a fiendish plan afoot as we speak..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 08, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
It’s garbage..
Sorry mate.
The standard V85 one, not yours.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 09, 2019, 04:26:21 PM
Are v85s on the sales floor in the USA?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on July 09, 2019, 04:28:07 PM
Are v85s on the sales floor in the USA?

Over at Advrider there are a couple of guys who have picked up their bikes, I'm still waiting to hear word on mine showing up here in California.  Af1 Racing has a grey one listed as in stock on their webpage.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: sliphorn on July 09, 2019, 05:13:02 PM
Yes mate.
There’s a fiendish plan afoot as we speak..!
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Ah yes. If you're gonna hatch a plan then there's only one kind worth doing. Looking forward to it.

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on July 09, 2019, 05:49:35 PM
If somebody wanted to do a color change, it appears to be a simple job on the V85TT: side covers, painted trim panels on each side of the tank and the front fender (mudguard) which looks to be two parts.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on July 09, 2019, 08:39:17 PM
I like the yellow /white, but the red is a little much.  Huzo that red is beautiful!  I may have to order the tank covers, side covers, and fender.  For now I have removed the front subframe holding the windscreen and light. I sand blasted it and powder coated it black.  I will do the same tomorrow to the rear bolt on section behind the seat.  It tones down the Ronald McDonald appearance and will look quite nice with the red frame. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 09, 2019, 09:36:12 PM
I like the yellow /white, but the red is a little much.  Huzo that red is beautiful!  I may have to order the tank covers, side covers, and fender.  For now I have removed the front subframe holding the windscreen and light. I sand blasted it and powder coated it black.  I will do the same tomorrow to the rear bolt on section behind the seat.  It tones done the Ronald McDonald appearance and will look quite nice with the red frame.
Good on you mate for dealing with the issue as you see it.
When I thought I was going to be stuck with a R Mc D one, I asked for a photo shop with the yellow made into Italian green and Beetle came up with the goods.
As follows..

(https://i.ibb.co/ZdZZnzp/C4-C890-F2-3747-41-EF-8-E71-45-E78-DB676-ED.png) (https://ibb.co/ZdZZnzp)

Not too bloody bad either I reckon..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redhawk47 on July 09, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
Bugger you Derek (Glawster)
I just set myself back 8 weeks in my quest to own a V85.
I had first dibs on a red/white one but relinquished that opportunity to wait for one of the TWO red ones to come to Oz in October...  :sad:
Rosso Volcano apparently.
Still, what else was a bloke to do ?
(https://i.ibb.co/yFhs7c4/57-B296-CA-4-A5-E-467-C-B8-D1-EFA7-A73-ABEE4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yFhs7c4)

(https://i.ibb.co/vw23KPV/44602-E01-7-C6-E-4-F72-B184-BB40-A1-E82-A6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vw23KPV)

(https://i.ibb.co/9Ht26fw/EE807601-FEBF-44-F2-A06-A-826231-A35-FFC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9Ht26fw)

(https://i.ibb.co/JBqhypK/8422203-C-BAA6-4954-AC5-E-71-E0-E3202-B4-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JBqhypK)

(https://i.ibb.co/KLkxzTb/B681-B6-D2-D314-4-FEB-AFE2-C6831-B2-B3-F12.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KLkxzTb)

(https://i.ibb.co/CtFHzYS/6-D679-BA8-A547-46-E9-B11-F-3448911808-FB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CtFHzYS)

It’ll go nicely with this..

(https://i.ibb.co/NKJ17Np/AE7-CD157-8-E9-F-4-A77-AA8-F-847133-CCA643.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NKJ17Np)

Rosso Volcano? looks really nice. We are not getting that in the US, at least not this year.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 10, 2019, 12:56:14 AM
They are nicer looking in the flesh than I thought.
I made my mind up when I saw Derek’s (Glawster).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 10, 2019, 12:59:49 AM
Here’s Beetle’s effort..
(https://i.ibb.co/ZdZZnzp/C4-C890-F2-3747-41-EF-8-E71-45-E78-DB676-ED.png) (https://ibb.co/ZdZZnzp)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on July 10, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
Here’s Beetle’s effort..
(https://i.ibb.co/ZdZZnzp/C4-C890-F2-3747-41-EF-8-E71-45-E78-DB676-ED.png) (https://ibb.co/ZdZZnzp)


That's not a bad looking bike by any means...still feels like too much red frame though...too Ducati like, but maybe that's the intention.

Perhaps if the back part of the frame were blacked out, leaving the front of the bike with the color it might look better...in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on July 11, 2019, 01:50:48 PM

To be honest though, first gear is so low I'm preferring to set off in second.

I just took the trouble to check the gear ratios of the V85TT vs the V7 Sport (original)
                    V85TT        V7Sport
1st Gear        2.437         1.800
2nd Gear       1.777         1.263
Top                0.888        0.680

So basically the V7 Sport bottom gear is pretty much the same as V85TT second!
I'll continue to refine my technique of avoiding first gear on the V85.
It will be interesting to compare top speed when the V85 is run in.  I think it might not be so different between bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 20, 2019, 07:20:20 PM
There's quite a few aftermarket exhaust available now.  Apart from the ridiculously expensive Arrow, there's Mistral, Agostini, GPR, QD, Remus & Zard (& prolly others by now too) offering accessory muffler solutions.  The Zard is one of the better (aesthetically & sonically in my opinion) alternatives.  Agostini, Mistral & QD also make decat midpipes to suit.

Of particular interest to me is another indigenous Tasmanian manufacturer of a select few exhausts for Triumphs, Royal Enfield, and now the V85.  So far just a decat link-pipe, but in my opinion, it's really all that's necessary to save a whole heap of unnecessary lard, get that lean-burning engine breathing more easily and cooler, free up a few hidden neddies & sort out the rather anaemic standard exhaust note too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQGs2W8gKOA
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on July 20, 2019, 07:51:25 PM
I just put on the Agostini midpipe.  I started it in the garage and it sounded pretty much the same as OEM although it might change with some revs.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on July 20, 2019, 11:59:38 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-PFqH5hd/0/a2eaf90c/X2/SAM_0408-X2.jpg)

Mine has arrived, love it!

Trailsman you need to change your signature.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: roadscum on July 21, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
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Agostini, Mistral & QD also make decat midpipes to suit.

Of particular interest to me is an indigenous Tasmanian manufacturer of a select few exhausts for Triumphs, Royal Enfield, and now the V85.  So far just a decat link-pipe, but in my opinion, it's really all that's necessary to save a whole heap of unnecessary lard, get that lean-burning engine breathing more easily and cooler, free up a few hidden neddies & sort out the rather anaemic standard exhaust note too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQGs2W8gKOA

Thanks for the info.

Totally agree that a decat will do the trick and eliminate a source of heat. Here in SW Florida that's of major concern for me. Hope it does not require fuel remapping to run properly with the decat.

Paul

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on July 21, 2019, 02:07:03 PM
Picked up Wednesday from Cadre. Brought back in the van.  Two  rides so far.  First 40 miles just to get acquainted.  Today got a little more serious.  Proud to say that within 113 total miles the V 85 has seen gravel, light rain, wet sandy road with Amish buggy wheel marks, rough asphalt, and some genuine Amish horse droppings.  Handled it all just the way I hoped. Road in 92 degrees today and pretty impressed that not much heat on the knees.  More on the right for some reason but really no big deal when moving. Very happy about that, just tilt the knees out a little and no problem.  I could go on about all the positives but the bikes attributes have been pretty well covered at this point.  I will simply say that it is exactly what I was hoping it would be after 200 miles total.  Here is one observation that I think someone else commented on and would like some input.  The bike makes a whining sound when I deviate right or left off dead center, ie turning.  It does not do it below about 50 mph, but get up around 55-60 and above there is a discernible whine.  I thought at first it must be the tires, but now I am wondering if it is due to air flow over/around the screen.  I have the tall factory screen.  This is without any of the bags on.  I am going to experiment without any shield, and the short factory screen also.  It sounds almost like a cable whine.  I played with this for the better part of 3 hours on various surfaces and it seems the main factor is mph traveled.  I wear a Scorpion full face helmet.  Like I said, I think at least one other person has mentioned this.  Any thoughts?

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 21, 2019, 03:27:46 PM
I just took the trouble to check the gear ratios of the V85TT vs the V7 Sport (original)
                    V85TT        V7Sport
1st Gear        2.437         1.800
2nd Gear       1.777         1.263
Top                0.888        0.680

So basically the V7 Sport bottom gear is pretty much the same as V85TT second!
I'll continue to refine my technique of avoiding first gear on the V85.
It will be interesting to compare top speed when the V85 is run in.  I think it might not be so different between bikes.
I used a goodly percentage of my Norge’s performance to maintain the distance behind your V85 Derek.
Also I accept that you were not giving yours a real touch up (yet).
If I had to wager $1,000 on a first gear roll on through the ‘box up to 160 k’s between the two, I’m not sure which way I’d go...?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 21, 2019, 03:31:17 PM
Can one of you blokes who’ve picked up your V85’s, take off the bash plate and lower exhaust pipe covers and post a photo with the bike on the centrestand ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on July 21, 2019, 03:57:36 PM
Can one of you blokes who’ve picked up your V85’s, take off the bash plate and lower exhaust pipe covers and post a photo with the bike on the centrestand ?

I started to do that but the bolts holding the exhaust pipe covers have very shallow heads for the 4mm allen wrench to fit into and it seems whoever put my bike together stripped out one of then on the left side of the bike so I'm going to let the shop know and they can fix it during first service.  Sorry..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on July 21, 2019, 03:59:43 PM
Riding home the other day in 75-85 degree weather the only heat issue I noticed was the area above my right ankle would sometimes get hot which surely would be from that cat just inboard of the foot peg.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 21, 2019, 04:31:53 PM
I started to do that but the bolts holding the exhaust pipe covers have very shallow heads for the 4mm allen wrench to fit into and it seems whoever put my bike together stripped out one of then on the left side of the bike so I'm going to let the shop know and they can fix it during first service.  Sorry..
I’d drill the heads off and get rid of the thing, it’s the only bit I don’t like. I’ll re fit it if I’m crossing the Himalayas.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 21, 2019, 04:34:24 PM
I started to do that but the bolts holding the exhaust pipe covers have very shallow heads for the 4mm allen wrench to fit into and it seems whoever put my bike together stripped out one of then on the left side of the bike so I'm going to let the shop know and they can fix it during first service.  Sorry..
Ok, thanks mate. :thumb  :thumb:
I could go and collect my red/white one now if I wanted to but I’ve decided to wait for the Glawster signature series red one.... :drool:

(https://i.ibb.co/M1KzHCp/3171-C3-E4-DA22-43-AA-B2-E5-DAC0609539-F6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M1KzHCp)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on July 21, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
Sorry Huzzo my skidplate and sides have been off and are back on.  Those four shallow headed bolts need encouragement from a heat gun or you will strip the heads.  I happily found out today that lacquer thinner removes the yellow witness marks on all those bolts and does not harm any of the surfaces surrounding the painted bolts.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on July 21, 2019, 05:02:51 PM
That red is growing on me,but it's a non issue here in the states right now. Wouldn't be surprised they bring the red into the US  with the second run of production. I guess they will have to build other models also this year. Read somewhere that over 3500 TT have been built and shipped.I must say this will bring good things in the future.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 21, 2019, 07:51:39 PM
Ok, thanks mate. :thumb  :thumb:
I could go and collect my red/white one now if I wanted to but I’ve decided to wait for the Glawster signature series red one.... :drool:

(https://i.ibb.co/M1KzHCp/3171-C3-E4-DA22-43-AA-B2-E5-DAC0609539-F6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M1KzHCp)


Patience, cobber, patience!

All good things comes to thems that waits...... according to the Judeo/Christian guidebook anyway.

The Red 'un will not only be rarer, but I suspect "age" much better than the others too.  More class, less gimmickry.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on July 21, 2019, 08:07:24 PM
Picked up Wednesday from Cadre. Brought back in the van.  Two  rides so far.  First 40 miles just to get acquainted.  Today got a little more serious.  Proud to say that within 113 total miles the V 85 has seen gravel, light rain, wet sandy road with Amish buggy wheel marks, rough asphalt, and some genuine Amish horse droppings.  Handled it all just the way I hoped. Road in 92 degrees today and pretty impressed that not much heat on the knees.  More on the right for some reason but really no big deal when moving. Very happy about that, just tilt the knees out a little and no problem.  I could go on about all the positives but the bikes attributes have been pretty well covered at this point.  I will simply say that it is exactly what I was hoping it would be after 200 miles total.  Here is one observation that I think someone else commented on and would like some input.  The bike makes a whining sound when I deviate right or left off dead center, ie turning.  It does not do it below about 50 mph, but get up around 55-60 and above there is a discernible whine.  I thought at first it must be the tires, but now I am wondering if it is due to air flow over/around the screen.  I have the tall factory screen.  This is without any of the bags on.  I am going to experiment without any shield, and the short factory screen also.  It sounds almost like a cable whine.  I played with this for the better part of 3 hours on various surfaces and it seems the main factor is mph traveled.  I wear a Scorpion full face helmet.  Like I said, I think at least one other person has mentioned this.  Any thoughts?

What tyres?  Metzeler's Tourance or Michie's Anakies?  Some "crossover" tyres will whine/rumble/drone when off-centre due to the contrast between an (relatively) unbroken centreline and the deeper/bigger tread blocks that are introduced to the contact patch when leaning.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alanp on July 21, 2019, 08:32:09 PM
What tyres?  Metzeler's Tourance or Michie's Anakies?  Some "crossover" tyres will whine/rumble/drone when off-centre due to the contrast between an (relatively) unbroken centreline and the deeper/bigger tread blocks that are introduced to the contact patch when leaning.

If the bike has Anakees I would guess the sound you are hearing is the tires.  I had Anakees on a bike and they make a very noticeable whine that increases with speed and or lean angle.  They were decent tires, but the noisiest I have ever encountered by far.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on July 21, 2019, 08:38:40 PM
If the bike has Anakees I would guess the sound you are hearing is the tires.  I had Anakees on a bike and they make a very noticeable whine that increases with speed and or lean angle.  They were decent tires, but the noisiest I have ever encountered by far.

My bike has the Anakees and also whines like others have reported.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on July 21, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Thanks for the replies.  Yes, it has the Anakees.  Never really experienced this before, certainly not to this degree.  I had several sets of Shinko 705's on my VStrom 1000, and also on my Versys 650.  They were pretty quiet actually.  This is very noticeable on the V 85.  Like I said, below 50 it virtually goes away, but above that, the higher the speed the louder it gets.  I guess the good news is it is tires and not some weird air flow harmonics around the windscreen/front support architecture. No matter how good these tires might be, I will certainly be exploring other options.  Well, maybe not, I have been quite pleased with the Shinko's. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on July 22, 2019, 02:36:03 AM
Yes, I'm pleased I got a red one.  I was thinking of the blue, but I saw a blue one last week and definitely glad I got red.  Seems to be the least popular colour though.
Last week I had the first service, a bit early with 862 miles on the clock.  And of course now with 926 miles, the service warning spanner is showing....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48344810561_350287d1db_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gE4MSz)20190619_190233 (https://flic.kr/p/2gE4MSz) by Derek Wardell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154993838@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 02, 2019, 06:06:58 AM
Yesterday, I traded the Blu Guzz in for a yellow V85TT.  So, first of all, any of you that hankered for a blue 2015 1400 Custom with a lot of accessories, see Enzo at Cadre.
Next, I had first tried the bike with the mobile demo truck, then 2 weeks ago when Enzo got his demo.  The demo is a standard with the Torrance tires.  My only niggle at this point is I would have rather had those tires.  The Annakees seem to create a small vibe.  Maybe with a few miles they will settle down, only 80 miles so far.  It is not bad, but just there compared to the other tires.  If it persists, I will remedy that at the first tire change.
Other than that, the learning curve will take a few miles to get used to 7 inches less wheelbase and 200 less pounds.  But, I think I am up for the job.  More to come.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on August 02, 2019, 08:27:19 AM
 :thumb:

Now you have to change your screen name... :evil:

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 02, 2019, 09:03:03 AM
Congratulations on your purchase.  Think you will enjoy this bike immensely.  I have only had mine for 2 weeks now and concur with Trialsman.  I feel like the bike was made to spec for me.  This was my final purchase when it comes to two wheels, so no room for error.  I agree with the tires comment.  The Anakees make an annoying whine above 45-50 mph and really sing when you initiate a turn. I like the tread pattern appearance and they  seem to stick pretty well, but if this continues and doesn't dissipate with more miles, this will be the one and only time they will be on my bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 02, 2019, 09:19:16 AM
John Henry:

I am giving this some thought.  Since I have been posting here for a few years under this name, I really hate to change it.  I will change the avatar however. 

Tommy:

Thanks.  Not sure if it is my last 2 wheel purchase, but do hope to put a lot of miles on her.  Since I have not read criticism of the tires in most of the reports and since the review bikes had miles as well as the fleet demo I rode, I hope this correlates to smoother running from the tires pretty soon.  The noise on turn-in probably won't go away, but my last set of Metzler street tires on the 1400 did that as well, so i am used to that aspect.

Ride on   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lannis on August 02, 2019, 09:22:08 AM
John Henry:

I am giving this some thought.  Since I have been posting here for a few years under this name, I really hate to change it.  I will change the avatar however. 


Maybe the "blu" part doesn't refer to the paint on the bike.

Maybe it refers to a bike that does away with "the blues" when you ride it, or it has to do with "blue skies" or the wide blue ocean or the wild blue yonder.

Just some ideas to support the status quo ...

Lannis
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alfaguzzi on August 02, 2019, 01:06:26 PM
You're right on the mark.  First open road ride I took included a bit of road works, where crap flipped up made a beeline for the top of the guard.  A real front bum to clean, it's almost impossible to get access to.  Hose alone, was ineffective.

Coupled with road tar and other nasty things accumulating there, I'm considering repainting the top (inside) of the cover to make it less obvious.  I might try masking tape first to get an idea whether this will work.
Yes, it fit! Not as cool, but I will use this on my longer touring trip when I cant predict the weather.
Maybe paint the lover part in white and yellow like the original part.
(https://i.ibb.co/hRhRjBN/frontfender-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hRhRjBN)

(https://i.ibb.co/CnX847B/frontfender-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CnX847B)

(https://i.ibb.co/g6pzrCw/frontfender-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g6pzrCw)

(https://i.ibb.co/SNFH6Pm/frontfender-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SNFH6Pm)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on August 02, 2019, 01:19:20 PM
Yesterday, I traded the Blu Guzz in for a yellow V85TT.  So, first of all, any of you that hankered for a blue 2015 1400 Custom with a lot of accessories, see Enzo at Cadre.
 

I just checked their website and don't see it listed, yet.  I'll be curious to see the asking price. 

Those blue Cal14 Customs sure look nice.  I missed out on one in Springfield Missouri last month...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 02, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
I just checked their website and don't see it listed, yet.  I'll be curious to see the asking price. 

Those blue Cal14 Customs sure look nice.  I missed out on one in Springfield Missouri last month...

The price YOU give THEM is just a phone call away!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 02, 2019, 03:45:05 PM
Blu Guzz:  Here's a thought.  CAPITALIZE.  BLU Guzzi.   And then, maybe start a little contest here.  Maybe even a separate thread.  Found these online and added a few of my own.  If I really spend some time, the options are endless.
Bigger Longer Uncut/ Better Left Unsaid/Bomb Live Unit/Basic Logic Unit/Bold Like Us/Balls Like Ulysses
Maybe you have some personal experience that would dovetail nicely.  I know there are incredibly witty people on here, Huzo, Dusty, Lannis, are you listening?
Damn it, let's have some fun.  I will let you make a call on a separate thread.  Keep the BLU!  It is who you are.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on August 02, 2019, 03:51:22 PM
The price YOU give THEM is just a phone call away!

I'll have to wait for Dusty to get off the party line.  Damn, he's a talker...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 02, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
Interesting to see the claim that 70% of trade-in's on the V85 come from non-Moto Guzzi riders.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-08-01/moto-guzzi-was-once-a-legend-in-italian-motorcycles-can-it-make-a-comeback
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on August 02, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
Interesting to see the claim that 70% of trade-in's on the V85 come from non-Moto Guzzi riders.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-08-01/moto-guzzi-was-once-a-legend-in-italian-motorcycles-can-it-make-a-comeback

“Ed Cook, who operates the AF1 Racing motorcycle shop in Austin, Texas, has had the V85 TT in stock for only 45 days, but he has sold half of the 16 he ordered from Moto Guzzi. He’s ordered 12 more.

“We had more pre-sales on this than any bike we’ve ever sold,” said Cook, who’s been selling Italian motorcycles at AF1 since 2001. “It’s a fresh new design, and a fresh new motor, and it’s a really good bike. Customers are excited about them.”
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 02, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
Yes, it fit! Not as cool, but I will use this on my longer touring trip when I cant predict the weather.
Maybe paint the lover part in white and yellow like the original part.
(https://i.ibb.co/hRhRjBN/frontfender-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hRhRjBN)

(https://i.ibb.co/CnX847B/frontfender-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CnX847B)

(https://i.ibb.co/g6pzrCw/frontfender-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g6pzrCw)

(https://i.ibb.co/SNFH6Pm/frontfender-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SNFH6Pm)


Thanks for that info AG.  I gather that's the Caponord 'guard you're using?  Given that whilst both will turn with the wheel/fork assembly, I'm guessing that you still need to remove one when the other is fitted, to avoid them clashing when you hit a bump....correct or not? 

I notice that the front half of the upper 'guard performs double duty as an air intake scoop or funnel, but the rear half merely performs a protective function, made redundant with the Caponord mudguard fitted.  What will you do with this upper 'guard?  Remove it or fabricate/find some sort of 'duckbill' arrangement to direct cool air towards the air intake?

I suppose you could cut down the upper by removing the redundant slotted rear and foreshorten the front into some sort of de facto duckbill to provide a modicum of air-scoop functionality.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on August 03, 2019, 02:15:29 PM
Nice review in the L A Times
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-08-01/moto-guzzi-was-once-a-legend-in-italian-motorcycles-can-it-make-a-comeback
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alfaguzzi on August 03, 2019, 02:57:28 PM
Thanks for that info AG.  I gather that's the Caponord 'guard you're using?  Given that whilst both will turn with the wheel/fork assembly, I'm guessing that you still need to remove one when the other is fitted, to avoid them clashing when you hit a bump....correct or not? 

I notice that the front half of the upper 'guard performs double duty as an air intake scoop or funnel, but the rear half merely performs a protective function, made redundant with the Caponord mudguard fitted.  What will you do with this upper 'guard?  Remove it or fabricate/find some sort of 'duckbill' arrangement to direct cool air towards the air intake?

I suppose you could cut down the upper by removing the redundant slotted rear and foreshorten the front into some sort of de facto duckbill to provide a modicum of air-scoop functionality.
Yes, Aprilia Caponord Rally 1200 fender
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 03, 2019, 03:36:15 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/DG1mydN/8-A1-A4-F26-5250-44-F3-8443-E2-D0-CFF0-AEEA.png) (https://ibb.co/DG1mydN)
THAT...! is brilliant..
I will do the same, well done. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on August 03, 2019, 05:42:47 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/DG1mydN/8-A1-A4-F26-5250-44-F3-8443-E2-D0-CFF0-AEEA.png) (https://ibb.co/DG1mydN)
THAT...! is brilliant..
I will do the same, well done. :thumb:

Any idea when the red one you are desiring is going to be in your possession Peter?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 03, 2019, 08:09:15 PM
Any idea when the red one you are desiring is going to be in your possession Peter?
Yeah mate, end of September.
I’m tempted to go and get the red/white one.. :clock:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on August 03, 2019, 09:22:29 PM
I saw the Yellow and White version at AJ Cycle in Gill, MA. Very nice and already sold. He has some more coming at the end of the month and they won't last long. The dealer actually likes dealing with Moto Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 04, 2019, 01:18:30 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-K4rDcvZ/0/1bf394c2/X2/IMG_20190804_105952-X2.jpg)

The bar end bolt vibrated out and I lost the weight as well, be sure to check these guys.  Will remove the hand guard until I can figure out a replacement for the weight.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 04, 2019, 04:45:07 PM
Sorry to hear that Zinfan.. :sad:
You’d think Guzzi would replace it under warranty ? Clearly defective thread locking..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 04, 2019, 05:21:12 PM
Defective assembly and prep by the dealer -- I believe the dealer installs the hand guards.   
Does anyone know if the forks on the V85 are damper rod or cartridge design?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 04, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Defective assembly and prep by the dealer -- I believe the dealer installs the hand guards.   
Does anyone know if the forks on the V85 are damper rod or cartridge design?

Page 75: http://thisoldtractor.com/mg_manuals/spare_parts_catalog_v85_en.pdf
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 04, 2019, 06:03:05 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-K4rDcvZ/0/1bf394c2/X2/IMG_20190804_105952-X2.jpg)

The bar end bolt vibrated out and I lost the weight as well, be sure to check these guys.  Will remove the hand guard until I can figure out a replacement for the weight.

Thanks for the tip.  I just went out and lock-tited mine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 04, 2019, 09:37:22 PM
I'm also a very lucky lad!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-4gTN8M2/0/08c92a66/X2/IMG_20190804_184222-X2.jpg)

Decided to take a walk along my path to the freeway just in case, lo and behold there it was sitting in the gutter 1/4 mile from my home. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 04, 2019, 09:38:45 PM
Thanks for the tip.  I just went out and lock-tited mine.

Yeah it is important to report this stuff on new bike IMO.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 04, 2019, 10:01:43 PM
Check the nuts on your seat too! This from Facebook:

Sam Rua
New Member · 11 hrs

I'm not sure how this happened but I managed to lose the lumbar support on the seat of my V85TT while out on my ride yesterday. I recommend checking the fasteners and even adding some thread locker. I was doing a fair amount of standing on the bike and that is all I can think of that would have caused this to pop off.😡


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 04, 2019, 10:14:03 PM
Check the nuts on your seat too! This from Facebook:

Sam Rua
New Member · 11 hrs

I'm not sure how this happened but I managed to lose the lumbar support on the seat of my V85TT while out on my ride yesterday. I recommend checking the fasteners and even adding some thread locker. I was doing a fair amount of standing on the bike and that is all I can think of that would have caused this to pop off.😡


(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67507339_2622911274428417_1502982612203864064_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQnHoKxCc7ylQy7AcuknHOVfn-0wqbo65ddwxfvbpmHNkC2EDsJR0eTci9YW2oAJugE&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=69519abdf277bab0d1c460aba660ee9d&oe=5DDE937A)

Dang I thought I posted about the same issue I had with mine (didn't lose the bump though) but must have only posted on ADVRider.  check those bolts under the seat!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 04, 2019, 10:49:52 PM
STANDING on the bike??  On the pegs or the seat?  WTF were you doing?  Some fancy Motard wheelies or summat?  0/10 for appropriate predelivery inspection & checks from the dealer.  You have every right, nay duty, to be righteously pissed!

Being charitable, this type of shite is maybe symptomatic of a company struggling to match production numbers to an unprecedented and unexpected demand.  I just hope this is an aberrant outlier rather than the norm, with Piaggio snatching defeat from the jaws of commercial victory and the V85 becoming just another anecdotal victim of its own success.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 04, 2019, 10:50:28 PM
I'm also a very lucky lad!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-4gTN8M2/0/08c92a66/X2/IMG_20190804_184222-X2.jpg)

Decided to take a walk along my path to the freeway just in case, lo and behold there it was sitting in the gutter 1/4 mile from my home.

https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=7009&sku=859949&description=OEM+Aprilia+Bar+End+Weight+%2D859949

Miracle you found it.  New ones aren't that expensive.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 04, 2019, 11:25:27 PM
https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=7009&sku=859949&description=OEM+Aprilia+Bar+End+Weight+%2D859949

Miracle you found it.  New ones aren't that expensive.

Good find, I looked under the V85 parts list but didn't see it, may order one up so I have a pristine one.
edit: Oh I did find it in the V85 parts section, good to know things can be replaced already.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: wyno on August 05, 2019, 01:13:07 AM
I just saw a post on the Australian Moto Guzzi Owners Register that said people who have one of the V85's should check the fastenings for the little hump in the seat. Apparently the rider was doing some cross country work and was standing up and sitting down a lot, and it came off and landed he knows not where.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 05, 2019, 03:29:50 AM
I just saw a post on the Australian Moto Guzzi Owners Register that said people who have one of the V85's should check the fastenings for the little hump in the seat. Apparently the rider was doing some cross country work and was standing up and sitting down a lot, and it came off and landed he knows not where.
Might be wedged up his crack...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 05, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
STANDING on the bike??  On the pegs or the seat?  WTF were you doing?  Some fancy Motard wheelies or summat?  0/10 for appropriate predelivery inspection & checks from the dealer.  You have every right, nay duty, to be righteously pissed!

Being charitable, this type of shite is maybe symptomatic of a company struggling to match production numbers to an unprecedented and unexpected demand.  I just hope this is an aberrant outlier rather than the norm, with Piaggio snatching defeat from the jaws of commercial victory and the V85 becoming just another anecdotal victim of its own success.

Perhaps "Sam Rua" was standing up for sections of rough road, crossing railroad tracks, etc. Maybe the tail of his riding jacket hooked the missing piece. Who knows?

I would imagine the seat comes ready to install from whatever company makes it for Guzzi/Piaggio. Perhaps the nuts are tight when it leaves their factory, but the foam (as foam does) "sacked" a bit and then the nuts become loose. Can't blame Guzzi for the seat makers q/c issue.

I just saw a post on the Australian Moto Guzzi Owners Register that said people who have one of the V85's should check the fastenings for the little hump in the seat. Apparently the rider was doing some cross country work and was standing up and sitting down a lot, and it came off and landed he knows not where.

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=93144.msg1617075#msg1617075
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 05, 2019, 09:28:52 AM
Just lock-tited the nuts on my seat.  They were very loose.  Can't do much about the nut behind the handlebars though...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 05, 2019, 10:27:47 AM
What are dealers typically charging for PDI and freight?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: SteveRivet on August 05, 2019, 10:33:26 AM
“Ed Cook, who operates the AF1 Racing motorcycle shop in Austin, Texas, has had the V85 TT in stock for only 45 days, but he has sold half of the 16 he ordered from Moto Guzzi. He’s ordered 12 more.

“We had more pre-sales on this than any bike we’ve ever sold,” said Cook, who’s been selling Italian motorcycles at AF1 since 2001. “It’s a fresh new design, and a fresh new motor, and it’s a really good bike. Customers are excited about them.”

Interesting and largely positive article.  I was disappointed in the unsubstantiated critics that claim "Critics of the bikes will note that it doesn’t have the power or the build quality of its BMW, KTM, Triumph or Ducati counterparts." Power, probably.  Build quality - we'll see.  Not like these other brands haven't had some pretty high profile foulups in there past.

Finally, great journalism to find a motorcycle executive to quote that just happened to be a former Aprilia employee and doesn't clearly understand the marque.

All in all, I'll give the article a B for content and an A+ for exposure.

Steve
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on August 05, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
How about some "real world" reports on fuel economy and expected fuel range?

NC
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 05, 2019, 12:27:12 PM
How about some "real world" reports on fuel economy and expected fuel range?

NC

I didn't save the data but I've had 3 tanks that I checked and I've gotten 49mpg on two of them and 47 on the other.  U.S. gallons using probably e10 gas (I forgot to look but it is the prevalent blend around here).  I filled up at 220 miles with 4.5 gallons so about 1.5 left in tank according to published volume.  The bike was doing a range calculation saying I had 50 miles left before I filled up and that seems accurate but the dash display of current mpg and average mpg seemed quite low compared to my actual results.  I'd go 250 miles without worry but if I wanted to push for 275-300 I'd want a bit of fuel just in case until I actually see that it can make it.  These results are from a variety of riding and with top case installed but side cases not.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 05, 2019, 01:35:46 PM
I contacted Pyramid Plastics in the UK about getting one of their Extenda Fendas for the V85.  He told me it is going to be difficult but if he can get a rider with the V85 to let him get some measurements he might be able to make it up for us.  It is a little far for me, but anyone in the UK give them a call and let's get it designed.  They work really well and the V85 certainly needs it for mud, tar, and goo deflection.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on August 05, 2019, 05:44:09 PM
Ran into a high mileage BMW rider this afternoon in Burton Ohio.  He'd just returned from a ride out West to Utah and Wyoming before heading for home here in NE Ohio.

I was riding my 1991 R100GS, which attracted his attention, seeing as how he's been riding BMW since approx 2000.  We discussed the GS and his most recent BMW, one of the F Series parallel twins, which was the bike he rode out West.

I mentioned I owned a couple of other bikes, including a Moto Guzzi 1200 Sport.  At that point, he began commenting about the new Guzzi, the V85, and how it looked like a logical replacement for older, lighter bikes like the R100GS.  I had to agree with that, since the V85 looks to be similar in size, weight, and seat height to my old bike.

His only objection was the fact that he isn't mechanically inclined, depends on dealer support, and was aware that Cadre was well over 225 miles south of where he lived.  Even so, the V85 caught his eye.

Anyway, we had a good conversation about bikes and his recent trip.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on August 06, 2019, 08:14:42 PM
Ok, so I may be a first, I am getting my deposit back and not buying the V85TT.

I still think it is an awesome bike, and most likely will own one in the future.  But I'm just too cheap.

Here in CA there are a ton of taxes and DMV fees, add to it that this is a hot bike so the dealers add all sorts of fees, and the $12,999 bike becomes a $16,500 out the door bike.  Ouchie mama. 

So while I think it is awesome, it just isn't $16,500 awesome to me.  (And to be clear, I think it is priced great.  I'd much rather have it than a BMW 750/850 or other similar bike that actually costs even more)

And my dealer will be able to sell everyone they get.  And the guys behind me on the waiting/deposit list will be happy as one guy will get a bike from the first batch and not have to wait on the second batch.



Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on August 06, 2019, 08:27:58 PM
 That's the problem of buying new, the added fees ad up quick!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 06, 2019, 09:11:08 PM
Real world mpg.  My first tank was 55 mpg.  I wanted to see when the warning light would come on, and this morning right at 200 miles it came on.  When I gassed, it took a little under 4 gallons, so the computer must be close at 55 mpg again.  So, I would think 225 miles easily and 250 if you really had to push it.  Pretty impressive.  My 1400 improved by about 10% after 6,000 miles, if this one does the same, it will be ridiculously thrifty on fuel.  Our gas is 10% eth. and I use 93 octane.  My riding ranges from a pretty easy commute to country miles with few stops.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 07, 2019, 12:30:54 AM
I've been getting 49 mpg on mixed riding without side cases.  I've also gone 230 miles and 250 would be no problem and 275-300 maybe.  I have also found the range countdown seems pretty accurate as I filled up the bike with 4.7 gallons and the display was saying I had about 50 miles to go till empty and I probably had about a gallon left usable.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beardog on August 11, 2019, 10:44:36 AM
Hello all
   I am seeking some wisdom that has helped me on more than one occasion. I am considering on of these subject bikes. They are pretty hard to find as of right now. Could anyone who has one of these chime in. Are you happy with the bike anything I should look out for? I would add a couple of accessories center stand heated grips crash bars, price and are the available? Do they really get the millage they are chatting about?
fog lights type?  THANKS in advance great forum. :bow:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 11, 2019, 12:07:16 PM
Hello all
   I am seeking some wisdom that has helped me on more than one occasion. I am considering on of these subject bikes. They are pretty hard to find as of right now. Could anyone who has one of these chime in. Are you happy with the bike anything I should look out for? I would add a couple of accessories center stand heated grips crash bars, price and are the available? Do they really get the millage they are chatting about?
fog lights type?  THANKS in advance great forum. :bow:

I have one and am very happy with it.  Things to look out for are bolts coming loose, the ones I've had to tighten up would be the two nuts holding the seat "bump" onto the seat, handlebar weight bolts and the brake lever handlebar clamp bolts.  If you go to AF1Racing.com and look at their V85 offerings you can see what accessories are available and prices.  The center stand and crash bars are available but heated grips are not yet out (bike is wired for them and there is a switch for them on the left grip).  I get around 50 mpg U.S. using E10 gas without side cases installed.  The fog lights are LED's, I've just installed them and they seem fine, I will say the headlight on the bike does a great job lighting up the road by itself.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 11, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
Woodstock Powersports in Woodstock, Illinois has 2 on the floor.  One with cases and one without. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/Prd13BzG/V85TT.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDS1D2NX)

https://woodstockpowersports.net/Motorcycles-Moto-Guzzi-V85-TT-Adventure-2020-Woodstock-IL-420682e3-6294-40da-8d6d-aa7a01397a47
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 11, 2019, 12:31:06 PM
Beardog, please buy so I am not tempted to.   :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 11, 2019, 02:14:57 PM
in regard to the seat bump, i took mine off today to see how it felt.  i am leaving it off as it frees up about 1 to 2 more inches of sliding room.  all my bolts have been tight so far.  getting 55 with only top case, ran the side bags this week and it exacted about a 7 mpg penalty.  i would not willingly part with it at this point.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 11, 2019, 02:53:46 PM
I have one and it is so far everything the research had lead me to believe. I have center stand, engine guards and tall windshield.  I will probably purchase the MRA clip on screen to experiment more with wind management.  The bike has been well documented at this point and I have nothing really to add, it is exactly what I wanted.  I currently have 700 miles on it and even limiting revs to 5500 during break in has not been a burden.  Only real negative for me so far are the Anakee Adventure tires.  I absolutely cannot tolerate the whine above 50 mph, for me it is unacceptable.  Those will be coming off at my 1200 first service at Cadre and replaced with Shinko 705's which I have had several sets on two other bikes and they have served me well.  I have read several threads now on various tires, everybody always have their own opinions.  Seems the various offerings of Anakee's have been known for noise production.  I will make someone a smoking deal on the used set with roughly 1200 miles if you are local to Cincinnati and it is convenient to pick them up.  As far as performance, I have no complaint, although I do not have any wet miles on them.  Asphalt and gravel worked fine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: sliphorn on August 11, 2019, 04:00:10 PM
Hello all
   I am seeking some wisdom that has helped me on more than one occasion. I am considering on of these subject bikes. They are pretty hard to find as of right now. Could anyone who has one of these chime in. Are you happy with the bike anything I should look out for? I would add a couple of accessories center stand heated grips crash bars, price and are the available? Do they really get the millage they are chatting about?
fog lights type?  THANKS in advance great forum. :bow:
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Windy City Triumph in St Charles, IL has two with bags.

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 11, 2019, 04:26:48 PM
You'd look good on one, Derek..  :grin: I'd have a hard time buying from anyone but Enzo at Cadre, although I certainly like the way the guys at Detroit iron stepped up for one of the new members.
Do I get a test ride at the Michigan rally?  :smiley: :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 11, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
Nothing but happy so far (2 weeks and 350 miles).  Everything I hoped for, except a little tall.  Should have my lower seat this week.   It's one of those bikes you just don't want to get off!
Center stand, engine guards, taller screen, Aux lights (not on yet) and lower seat.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 11, 2019, 04:56:46 PM
Picked mine up at Team Charlotte in June and put on almost 900mi the first two days.  I love the bike.  I have added crash bars, heated grips, heated seat, aux lights, touring windscreen with X-screen, Moto Mosko tank bag, Augostini cross over pipe, and GPS with a mount I fabricated.  The handling and power are just right.  Suspension is good on smooth roads while a tad harsh on uneven.  I have the Ohlins shock on order (due in Nov).  This bike is a keeper.  Anybody want my KTM 990 Baja Adventure?  I will keep my Norge for now, but I can see 90% being done on this bike.  As for Cadre, I am going to them from Pgh (almost 5 hours).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 11, 2019, 05:03:45 PM
Picked mine up at Team Charlotte in June and put on almost 900mi the first two days.  I love the bike.  I have added crash bars, heated grips, heated seat, aux lights, touring windscreen with X-screen, Moto Mosko tank bag, Augostini cross over pipe, and GPS with a mount I fabricated.  The handling and power are just right.  Suspension is good on smooth roads while a tad harsh on uneven.  I have the Ohlins shock on order (due in Nov).  This bike is a keeper.  Anybody want my KTM 990 Baja Adventure?  I will keep my Norge for now, but I can see 90% being done on this bike.  As for Cadre, I am going to them from Pgh (almost 5 hours).
Jeez you’ve certainly got all the good stuff on yours.
A centre stand with that Olins and it’ll be perfect.
Which part of Alaska will you be visiting... :bow: :thumb: :bike-037:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 11, 2019, 06:43:38 PM
Most center stands are tough to the bike up and they drag i corners.  I remove mine (Norge, Stelvio, kTM990) and carry my Dirt Napper device which will not only lift the bike if on it's side, but also double as a center stand for changing a tire.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 11, 2019, 07:49:18 PM
Surprisingly easy to get the V85 up on the center stand, and it tucks up tight when retracted.  Seriously doubt it would drag anywhere.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 11, 2019, 08:33:11 PM
It's the footpegs, not the 'stand toegrips that limit the Guzzi's cornering clearance.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kent in Upstate NY on August 11, 2019, 09:04:45 PM
Don't worry about foot peg clearance. If you do enough tight corners they will get worn down and will no longer cause any problems. :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 12, 2019, 08:53:50 AM
Trialsman,
Were you able to get the OEM heated grips for the V85?  They're not showing up in AF-1's site as being available.  $$$?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 12, 2019, 09:05:26 AM
No, I just used generic heated grips and wired it into the main harness under the right front of the gas tank.  You need a Molex type connector for each side.  They then have a three position setting shown on the display.  Works well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beardog on August 12, 2019, 01:41:49 PM
Thanks to all and Chuck you know you can take it for a ride, I owe you anyway :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 12, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
Thanks to all and Chuck you know you can take it for a ride, I owe you anyway :thumb:

You don't owe me nuthin..  :smiley:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 12, 2019, 04:32:36 PM
Trialsman,
Just the heated elements under the stock grips or like the Oxfords?  Thanks
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 12, 2019, 09:10:04 PM
Trialsman:  Curious about your assessment of 1. MRA X screen and how much improvement you experience over the touring screen. 2. Agostini Y pipe. I did read your comments I think on Advrider thread.  Less weight, freer engine air flow, cooler.  I guess I am asking if you felt it was worth the investment and no other reprogramming mods needed to make it run as good as it does with the cat?  Oh, I guess I need to know how tall you are to compare your experience with the MRA  X screen.  I am 6 ft with 30 inch inseam for comparison.  Thanks for your feedback.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 12, 2019, 09:59:00 PM
I used heating elements under some gel grips that I like.  Wire it up to the factory harness via the Molex connectors under the tank.  As for the Augostini cross over pipe, the worth is still unclear.  Stock the bike runs spot on so performance didn't really get a gain.  The amount of heat felt was the biggest plus so the engine is definitely running cooler.  Weight reduction is moderate, but like I said it is all down low.  I need more time on it to properly assess. It sounds almost identical to the stock pipe to me, which is fine.  I hate loud bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 12, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
Tommy2cyl,
Since Trialsman didn't directly answer your question about the MRA X screen, I'll jump in here to say that I installed the large touring MRA Xscreen on my stock shield and it helped considerably by lowering the noise level.   I wear a Shoei Neotec and a Neotec II, just over 6' (now in my dotage I've lost almost 3") with a 32" inseam.   I think it would be even better on the Guzzi touring screen.

Trialsman: Thanks for the followup on the grips.  I've used Symantec on several bikes with a Heat Troller, but it sounds like the cleaner installation with the molex connectors to the stock harness would be best with the V85.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 13, 2019, 04:45:43 AM
Trialsman & NWrider.  Thanks for the replies.  Wind management is always the ultimate quest.  I will probably try the MRA small option because I have the touring screen installed.  MadStadt solved the issue on my 2002 VStrom many years ago.  If I could replicate that 'air pocket' I would be very satisfied.
I will hold on the Y pipe for now.  My 'big modification' currently is waiting for my new set of Shinko 705's to arrive. I was going to wait until first service, but I just cannot.  Tempted to convert wheel to tubeless during the swap out, but there is something about that conversion that I am still not 100% comfortable with.  I know guys do it with products that are designed for that (Outex I think ?) and are satisfied with the result, but I still have reservations.  Probably unfounded reasons on my part,  but I would so prefer to have a wheel that is designed specifically to be TL.  Will wait for factory heated grips.  Not a priority at the moment.  Of course they never are until you need them. (NWrider: made me grin on use of word dotage.  Well played) 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 13, 2019, 07:28:13 AM
I thought about that after I went to bed, sorry I didn't answer your question.  The touring windscreen seemed to throw too much wind on my face.I am about 5-11" with a 30" inseam but I like to ride with my visor up on an AFX41 helmet.  When I did my first 900mi weekend ride I noticed in the low position it was good to about 40mph before my eyes were not comfortable but no buffeting.  I stopped and raised the screen halfway and it was better to about 45mph.  I stopped later and adjusted it full upright and still needed to close my visor at about 55mph.  When I got home I put on the X- screen sport (10") version.  It was much better and I played around adjusting it quite a bit.  I found the air stream flow the best with the touring screen in the mid position and the X-Screen fairly low and nearly vertical.  This is the slip on, not drill version and now sits withe the top edge about 2" above the touring windscreen and about 3.5" forward.  Unless it is raining or cold weather I ride with the visor up.  I am in moving but reasonably calm air and even at sustained highway speeds  it is comfortable.  I will be keeping this on my bike as I still look over the top lip by 4-5".  Once again sorry for the delayed response.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 13, 2019, 08:46:36 AM
Thanks.  Really appreciate the effort and detailed response.  We are virtually identical height/inseam so that is really applicable information.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on August 13, 2019, 09:39:43 AM
I have a friend who recently picked up a new V85.

Has anybody investigated weather there is a switched connector for a GPS on this bike yet? I am aware you are supposed to be able to interface your phone to the dash. I have not heard if they dropped the plug or not as a result.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on August 13, 2019, 10:39:07 AM
For the MRA X-screen which is a "tad pricy" for my taste.

On my GS (I know this is the V85TT thread :P), I bought this from Aliexpress for those who don't mind Chinese made product.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32907809884.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dPgo1M1


(https://i.ibb.co/hZFMDdZ/image.png) (https://ibb.co/hZFMDdZ)


I use the titanium bracket + 30cm wide one. No drilling require. Just clamp and tighten by couple hex setscrews.

I personally like this look better than MRA X-screen too...but taste is to one of it's own
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 13, 2019, 10:43:59 AM
Most center stands are tough to the bike up and they drag i corners.  I remove mine (Norge, Stelvio, kTM990) and carry my Dirt Napper device which will not only lift the bike if on it's side, but also double as a center stand for changing a tire.
Had no issues putting the one in the showroom up on the center stand. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 13, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
The amount of heat felt was the biggest plus so the engine is definitely running cooler. 

Is the engine really running cooler or you just not feeling the heat from the Catalytic Converter since it needs to heat up to catalyze any leftover combustion elements?

I rode behind a guy who removed his Catalytic Converter an you can definitely smell his bike exhaust now.   :sad:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 13, 2019, 10:57:19 AM
I should have taken a comparison reading with my IR gun but did not.  I do know the felt heat from the cat is way lower.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on August 13, 2019, 03:12:11 PM
I have a friend who recently picked up a new V85.

Has anybody investigated weather there is a switched connector for a GPS on this bike yet? I am aware you are supposed to be able to interface your phone to the dash. I have not heard if they dropped the plug or not as a result.

John Henry

There is a USB connector to the left of the dashboard.  I used a USB-12v adapter to run a radar detector for a while until I managed to install the correct harness.  Warning!!  Removing and replacing the fuel tank is quite a mission.

Guzzi offer the multimedia ECU which plugs into a multi-pin socket above the LH side panel.  It allows you to connect your Android phone (not sure about i-phone) via bluetooth to run the V85TT software.  It offers a "find my bike" function, greater information regarding the various running statistics, and a crude GPS Navigation system.

I say crude because there is no map displaced on the dashboard.  However, there is a couple of icons displaced at the bottom of the display showing the distance to the next turn, and the type of turn (left, right or roundabout (traffic circle for the USA folks).  The second icon displays the next turn which is very helpful.  The map itself is not terrific, no means of dragging the route as in google maps, and no waypoints, but better than nothing.

I chose not to connect my Nolan helmet bluetooth (truth is, it couldn't find it anyway) and I have no interest in listening to music as I ride.

The phone needs to be plugged in to the bike's battery power, otherwise it will not stay active for very long, it's very hungry.

There has been a couple of updates to the mapping software already, and I'm hoping for more soon.

Worth the money?  The jury is still out.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 13, 2019, 03:47:46 PM
AF1 also sells these...

https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=100503&sku=MM010501003-x&description=Ermax+Clip+and+Flip+Wind+Deflector&idCategory=3304&action=View
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 13, 2019, 05:20:21 PM
Trialsman & NWrider.  Thanks for the replies.  Wind management is always the ultimate quest.  I will probably try the MRA small option because I have the touring screen installed.  MadStadt solved the issue on my 2002 VStrom many years ago.  If I could replicate that 'air pocket' I would be very satisfied.
I will hold on the Y pipe for now.  My 'big modification' currently is waiting for my new set of Shinko 705's to arrive. I was going to wait until first service, but I just cannot.  Tempted to convert wheel to tubeless during the swap out, but there is something about that conversion that I am still not 100% comfortable with.  I know guys do it with products that are designed for that (Outex I think ?) and are satisfied with the result, but I still have reservations.  Probably unfounded reasons on my part,  but I would so prefer to have a wheel that is designed specifically to be TL.  Will wait for factory heated grips.  Not a priority at the moment.  Of course they never are until you need them. (NWrider: made me grin on use of word dotage.  Well played)

The only part of the wheels that isn't designed to run tubeless is the spoke holes, the rims have the extra edge that tubeless rims have.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 13, 2019, 05:30:48 PM
Others have commented on the howling Michelin Ankenee tires--- mine started to do that right at 200 miles + I have a pronounced wheel hop.  Going to have to remove the front wheel and see if it's a balance weight issue or if the tire/rim is out of round.  Anyone know what the torque values are for the axle nut and the pinch bolts?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 13, 2019, 05:33:04 PM
I have a friend who recently picked up a new V85.

Has anybody investigated weather there is a switched connector for a GPS on this bike yet? I am aware you are supposed to be able to interface your phone to the dash. I have not heard if they dropped the plug or not as a result.

John Henry

Not sure John.  However I did have Jim Hamlin wire in a new mount for my Garmin Zumo pre-delivery.  Wired into the ignition switch somehow.  I still like the motorcycle specific GPS as opposed to the phone.  Shoot him a call?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 13, 2019, 05:35:27 PM
Others have commented on the howling Michelin Ankenee tires--- mine started to do that right at 200 miles + I have a pronounced wheel hop.  Going to have to remove the front wheel and see if it's a balance weight issue or if the tire/rim is out of round.  Anyone know what the torque values are for the axle nut and the pinch bolts?

I get the howl on mine for anything off center.  No stability issues though, and I really don't mind it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 13, 2019, 07:57:01 PM
I had my first real offroading adventure tonight - herding the horses and dogs in the pasture.  I loved it, not sure about the animals.  Mostly under 20 mph on rough pasture grass, no slippage at all, totally controllable.  I have never had this kind of bike before and I can now see the appeal-what fun.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 13, 2019, 08:13:58 PM
Guzzis make great paddock-bashers.  Never heard of a brand spanking new one used that way 'though.  All power to you!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 13, 2019, 08:34:37 PM
Others have commented on the howling Michelin Ankenee tires--- mine started to do that right at 200 miles + I have a pronounced wheel hop.  Going to have to remove the front wheel and see if it's a balance weight issue or if the tire/rim is out of round.  Anyone know what the torque values are for the axle nut and the pinch bolts?
Front axle nut is 80 Nm and pinch bolts are 10 Nm.  I believe I've heard of other owners with the hop issue that traced back to the front tire.  I do not have the issue.  I replaced the Ankenee's when I did the tubeless conversion with 705's and the howl is gone.  When the 705 wears out I'll put the Ankenee back on, hate to waste that much tire life.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 13, 2019, 08:37:37 PM
Worth the money?  The jury is still out.

My internal jury is made up of 12 angry men and they have their mind set on "not worth it".  Always a chance for things to change but I'd never try to convince a buyer to spring for the MIA if they had doubts about it.  Good to hear the maps are getting updates, I'll check my phone log and see if my app updated.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 13, 2019, 11:05:30 PM
Just won Motorrad's 4-way 'scrambler' test.  A bit puzzling as it was the only non-scrambler tested!  Nevertheless, well done Guzzi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0nN8135h6k
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jimgoff on August 14, 2019, 06:24:24 AM
 I have put about 1,800 miles on my basic grey V85 TT. Seat bump came loose, I rode without it for a while then put it back on with double nuts.
   First oil change I noticed a oil pan bash plate bolt missing, the other oil pan bolts were tight.
  Upon a fuel fill up the trip meter read 310 miles, I rode until - no miles showed refilled to brim with 5.1 gallons. I have not been keeping accurate odometer readings for mpg but will try this weekend.
  I'm or was (dotage) 5' 6"  30" inseam about 155 pounds. Seat is comfortable and weight, height and length makes it difficult for me to handle U turns on one lane dirt roads. Deep sand and mud had me wishing for more aggressive tires but these are good on pavement.
   Feel more heat on my shins from the engine than any other Guzzi but haven't noticed heat from catalytic converter except when changing oil. Passenger noticed heat from muffler but then she wasn't properly attired for motorcycle riding.
   Oh love this bike even though it is much larger than I expected. I still try to upshift when in 6th and want side bags that don't make it too wide, for now I have a plastic box mounted on rack great for grocery shopping but the DB bags on 72 Eldorado hold more.
   Would had went for adventure package but did not want the paint offered.
  I need shop manual to do my own maintenance.  Oh I think this engine is smooth and has plenty of power only adjustments I made was to the mirrors, would soften and lower shocks for my 72 year old lady.



Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on August 14, 2019, 08:14:39 AM
There is a USB connector to the left of the dashboard.  I used a USB-12v adapter to run a radar detector for a while until I managed to install the correct harness.  Warning!!  Removing and replacing the fuel tank is quite a mission.
<snip>

Thanks to you and others who responded to my question. Yes, I was aware of the USB connector and the multi media platform. Good to know about the fuel tank. I'll pass that on although I doubt he'll mess with that anyway. It may be safe to assume that the switched plug for a dedicated GPS has likely been eliminated in lieu of the other options mentioned above.

Cam, I suggested he ask Enzo about it since that is where he purchased the bike from. Personally, I would not want to take up Jim's time for something he doesn't stand to benefit from. Anyway I figured this was one of those you never know unless you ask sort of things.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on August 14, 2019, 08:15:28 AM
Just saw this...and thought it was interesting...Long before the V85TT, there was the NTX!! :thumb: :cool: :wink:


(https://i.ibb.co/std2vJT/Screen-Shot-2019-08-14-at-6-13-19-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/std2vJT)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 14, 2019, 10:37:49 AM
I ended up putting in a 5 circuit box (made by Eastern Beaver) under the seat coming off the battery.  Three of the circuits are run through a relay triggered by the key switch and two are on all the time.  In this way I can separately fuse and protect the aux lights, GPS, seat heater, and hyper lights.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 14, 2019, 01:14:30 PM
Thanks to you and others who responded to my question. Yes, I was aware of the USB connector and the multi media platform. Good to know about the fuel tank. I'll pass that on although I doubt he'll mess with that anyway. It may be safe to assume that the switched plug for a dedicated GPS has likely been eliminated in lieu of the other options mentioned above.

Cam, I suggested he ask Enzo about it since that is where he purchased the bike from. Personally, I would not want to take up Jim's time for something he doesn't stand to benefit from. Anyway I figured this was one of those you never know unless you ask sort of things.

John Henry
Thisoldtractor.com has the V85 wiring diagram and I didn't see a GPS plug listed so yeah odds on that it wasn't provided.  I didn't think the fuel tank removal was as bad a job other than the vent hose removal at the front of the tank.  I will say that it can be difficult to locate the tank into the correct position when putting it back on but with a bit of practice it shouldn't be too bad.  The fuel line disconnect is way easier than on my V7, still best to unplug the fuel pump then start the bike to relieve pressure in the line first.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 15, 2019, 01:20:12 PM
This thread seems to cover various topics regarding the V 85 so I guess this is OK to ask:  Looking for a recommendation on a tank bag for the v 85.
Obviously my nice Cortech with magnetic flaps isn't going to work.  I just want something small that will have the clear area for a map on top.
I know that is old school but I still like looking at a map.  The two that might work are TourMaster Select 7 liter & Fly Mini.  These two are only 3.5" and 2"
high respectively.   The pad for TourMaster is awkward looking and doesn't secure separately from the bag, and not sure the Fly Mini will work.  Looking for option that might attach to gas tank ring, but most of those look like tall bags.  Priorites for me are low profile with large viewing map pocket and rain cover included. Thanks in advance for any input.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 15, 2019, 05:43:13 PM
Germany's Hepco & Becker are marketing tankring mounts for their range of Lock-It tankbags, which are available in a variety of sizes, many with transparent top map windows.

https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=98057&sku=MM605.5540001&description=Hepco+%26+Becker+Lock+It+Magnetic+Tank+Ring+for+V85
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 15, 2019, 05:55:31 PM
I just stumbled on that about an hour ago.  I like the mount, all the tank bags with the lock on feature are higher than I would like.  I really don't like how big/tall the bags are. I prefer to keep that area clear to see dash and just move around more on the bike in the twisty studs.  Just personal preference on my part.  I would love to not have to mess with straps and worry about rubbing/scratching the paint.  The gas lock mount is what I would prefer if I can find a minimal bag with decent clear map pocket on top.  Thanks for the reply. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 15, 2019, 05:57:23 PM
Twisty stuff. Not twisty studs.  Wanted to clear that up right away. :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 15, 2019, 07:24:58 PM
FYI I looked and the Hepco Becker mount isn't available in the U.S. yet (or at least I haven't found it), I have an email into SW-Motech about a ring for the 6 bolt guzzi gas cap but they have not gotten back to me about it.  I went with a Mosko Moto Nomad bag that uses straps as I have a trip coming up in a couple of weeks and wanted to have a tank bag.  It does come with a removable map pocket that is pretty large and the bag doesn't sit too high on the tank, it for sure doesn't block my view of the dash.  It is pricey though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 16, 2019, 06:06:02 AM
Zinfan:  Great info all around.  The simplicity of a tank ring mounted bag really appeals to me. May have to wait and let the market place catch up with the V 85 on that option.   The Mosko Moto Nomad is a good option.  I do like the low profile and it is certainly well thought out like all their stuff is.  Not sure I need that intricate of a piece of kit.  Viking makes a bag for a Harley Steet 750 for $99.00 that is pretty much what I am looking for.  My trip isn't until 2nd week in Oct. so have a little time.  The Nomad suggestion has given me food for thought.  Thanks for your targeted input.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on August 16, 2019, 08:35:58 AM
Trailsman, could I just clarify something, if you don't mind? Do your heated grips retain their own control unit that is recognised by the dash or does the dash do the controlling and are they operated by the LH handlebar button? Would I remove the control unit if present? Cheers John.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 16, 2019, 09:28:36 AM
So Beardog the OP for this thread - Did you find a V85TT??
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 16, 2019, 09:43:42 AM
He's probably at the Michigan rally..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on August 16, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
There is no controller on the grips.  It is controlled by the V85 software and left hand switch.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: fossil on August 16, 2019, 12:43:35 PM
FYI I looked and the Hepco Becker mount isn't available in the U.S. yet (or at least I haven't found it), I have an email into SW-Motech about a ring for the 6 bolt guzzi gas cap but they have not gotten back to me about it.  I went with a Mosko Moto Nomad bag that uses straps as I have a trip coming up in a couple of weeks and wanted to have a tank bag.  It does come with a removable map pocket that is pretty large and the bag doesn't sit too high on the tank, it for sure doesn't block my view of the dash.  It is pricey though.


Hepco Becker in the USA

Moto Machines

45891 Woodland Rd. #115
Sterling,VA 20166
Phone: 703-372-7241
fax: 703-940-9123
E-mail: info@motomachines.com
www.motomachines.co m

From the HB homepage.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 16, 2019, 05:29:14 PM

Hepco Becker in the USA

Moto Machines

45891 Woodland Rd. #115
Sterling,VA 20166
Phone: 703-372-7241
fax: 703-940-9123
E-mail: info@motomachines.com
www.motomachines.co m

From the HB homepage.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Misc/Stuff/i-z8K7rh8/0/18a97ecd/X2/moto%20machine-X2.jpg)

Still have not seen it in stock anywhere yet.  Pretty happy with the Nomad so far but have yet to use it on the road, having the built in water bladder is nice.  Can't find it right now but if you go with the H&B ring system you cannot use their enduro model bag with it on the V85, saw it on a website when I was doing research on the subject.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 16, 2019, 05:41:03 PM
Zinfan:  Great info all around.  The simplicity of a tank ring mounted bag really appeals to me. May have to wait and let the market place catch up with the V 85 on that option.   The Mosko Moto Nomad is a good option.  I do like the low profile and it is certainly well thought out like all their stuff is.  Not sure I need that intricate of a piece of kit.  Viking makes a bag for a Harley Steet 750 for $99.00 that is pretty much what I am looking for.  My trip isn't until 2nd week in Oct. so have a little time.  The Nomad suggestion has given me food for thought.  Thanks for your targeted input.

Yeah my preferred option would have been to get a SW-Motech ring that works with this bolt pattern and use the bag I already have on the Stelvio but running out of time and I needed something.  The Nomad is a nice item but it has far more features than I'd probably ever use and I could use just a touch more height to store my ebook reader, the layered design of the Nomad means things in one pocket sit on top of things in the pocket below and I have to be sure my reader doesn't get squashed due to overpacking the upper pocket.  Still in all I can make it work, just would love something that is completely clear of the tank.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 17, 2019, 06:31:52 AM
Zinfan: FYI for all/Re: Tank Rings: 1. Hepco Becker: Wanted Daypack Small-listed under 5 bags that work with tank ring.  I like the large map pocket/profile. Under the individual listing of Daypack Small it is magnetic option only with 4 magnets/ won't work with ring.  Smallest tank ring option is Daypack 2.0. Molded material/rigid design. No integrated map pocket. Map pocket add on has larger footprint than top of bag.  Looks terrible and I think would flop around in the wind. Why wouldn't they keep the design of the Daypack small so could use tank ring?  Tank ring for V 85 tt currently has not yet arrived as you stated.
2. Cortech Dryver 3.8 liter.  I like Cortech stuff/currently own magnetic bag for my Versys. Like the waterproof design with this bag.  Map pocket is optional purchase but integrates very well with bag design.  When I review tank ring options, of course MG isn't listed as an option.  BMW appears to be the only 6 screw option, but I haven't been able to confirm whether this would work on the V 85.  I have a request for info on this from one of the sites I researched but have not heard back.  3. SW Motech Evo Quick Lock tank bag lock pattern that fits the BMW R 1200RTW looks like same pattern as V 85, 6 screw. Again, don't know if this would work.  Haven't researched this enough yet regarding map pocket option.  4. Givi 3-D tank lock.  Again, need bike specific ring and the smallest bag/603 I don't think has map pocket.  Spent a lot of time yesterday researching this but really am only acquainting myself with who offers this type of set up but no confirmation on whether options #2, #3, & #4 would work.  Know for sure that HB will work when ring comes in, but don't like the bag/map pocket option available so far. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 17, 2019, 08:59:24 AM
Zinfan:  More research. As best as I can determine with my parameters: 5 liter or less/low profile/reasonable size map pocket.
Neither Givi 3 D Tank Lock or SW Motech Evo Quick Lock have any bags that meet my criteria.  Bags available with these systems are too big.
HB: will have an option of the Daypack 2.0 but the map pocket fitment sucks/ring currently not available.
The Winner Is:
Cortech Small Dryver Tank Bank/Ring Lock:  3.8 liter/11.5 x 10 x 6. $67.95 /$8.95 map pocket/ $11.95 ring set/detachable map pocket/bag waterproof with
no additional rain cover necessary. The only Ring Lock Options with 6 screw are the BMW & it is backordered.  I don't know if this will work with the V 85 but the screw locations look the same. No idea if it will actually fit.  BB is now closed until Monday.  So, if I can find a plate that will work this will be the choice. Hope this saves research time for anybody who is interested in the smallest tank bag/ring lock design/adequate map pocket option.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 17, 2019, 09:08:34 AM
I have a Givi tank lock ring for a Triumph 1050  Tiger - BF02 that looks like it has the same spacing as the V85TT gas cap ring.  I haven't yet tried to mount it, but the only difference I can detect is that the plastic surrounding the tank ring on the V85TT seems to be a little bit proud of the tank ring where the Triumph is flush.   A possible concern with the V85TT tank is that it's plastic and not metal like the Triumph and may not bear the weight of a bag as well.   The Givi tank ring relies on 4 screws to hold the ring, not 6 like the HB tank ring.

Update: The Givi BF02 tank ring does fit the V85TT tank.  However, the screws supplied in the kit may or may not be the correct length -- but they are readily available at a hardware store.   The screws need to be about 8 - 10 mm longer than stock.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 17, 2019, 11:42:04 AM
NWrider:  Good to know.  Keep us posted when you try to see if it fits.  This is my current quest so any and all info will be appreciated.  My use for a tank bag is really minimal: extra  ear plugs, 5 hour Energy drink (never leave home without it), sunglasses, ball cap, keys, maps, place for wallet, a map pocket on top for reference,  small stuff that just need a home when on the bike.  It serves the purpose of making my trip on road more organized.  I don't consider that "real packing space",  for me it is a bike's glove box.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 17, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
Since this seems like a general v85 post, I will add something I just learned.  This is in regard to the front tire on Adventure models.  Another poster or 2 have mentioned a bad feeling coming from the front on the Adv. models.  When I took delivery, I felt some vibration compared to the base model with the Metzlers.  I assumed it was the larger tread blocks of the Annakees and that they would wear in and it would stop.  But 800 miles and I have either gotten used to it and tolerate it or it has improved a little or both.  Anyway, Enzo called to talk about other matters and I mentioned this and he said that another rider had the issue and MG warranteed it so he was going to order me a new tire and tube to put on at the first service.  If the sun was at the right angle so you could see the shadow of the front wheel, at 45 mph, you could see the tire moving up and down at the one spot.  My only complaint so far and I could have lived with it but glad I don't have to.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 17, 2019, 06:01:21 PM
Blue Guzz, 
I have the same front tire issue.  I'm getting a noticeable wheel hop - especially at speeds below about 50 mph.   As others have mentioned, I don't like the howl of the Ankenee tire either.  BTW, I've ordered a front fender from the Aprilia Caponord Rally (I took it off of my Rally and tried it on the V85) that fits perfectly -- I even think it will clear under full fork compression with the stock fender in place.   It should keep a lot of the road junk off of the front of the bike and still allow ample air flow over the reg/rectifier.

On another subject, I was surprised at the amount of vibration my bike has through the seat from about 3800 - 4500 rpm.  It's quite annoying -- I've minimized it somewhat by using an airhawk -- I hope it's a valve adjustment issue and/or maybe a revised ECU program would help.   I did test ride the V85TT factory demonstrator but don't recall any vibration issues with it.  A friend also has an identical V85TT and is having the same experience - so it's not just mine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 17, 2019, 06:21:22 PM
Is the wheel hop you mention, just a hurried job when trueing the wheel ex factory and therefore easily rectifiable by the owner ?
Seems that if Guzzi are prepared to honour a claim so readily, they are aware of the issue.
Also some clarification please.
You mention vibration.
If you pull the clutch and stop the engine at that moment, does the vibration persist, indicating a gearbox, UJ, bevel box or wheel balance/trueing issue ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 17, 2019, 06:21:45 PM
Don't have the vibration issue.  Quite smooth actually.  Like the Caponord Rally fender idea.  Anakee Adventure are terrible.  Just let a friend of mine ride the bike which he loved but couldn't believe the noise of the tires.  He actually thought they may be defective.  He worked in the motorcycle industry for years.
Mine are being replaced as we speak with 705's.  The Anakee's won't see 1000 miles. Hard for me to comprehend how such a large established company can develop that design and not realize the problem thru testing before production. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 17, 2019, 06:25:05 PM
Don't have the vibration issue.  Quite smooth actually.  Like the Caponord Rally fender idea.  Anakee Adventure are terrible.  Just let a friend of mine ride the bike which he loved but couldn't believe the noise of the tires.  He actually thought they may be defective.  He worked in the motorcycle industry for years.
Mine are being replaced as we speak with 705's.  The Anakee's won't see 1000 miles. Hard for me to comprehend how such a large established company can develop that design and not realize the problem thru testing before production.
That Caponord fender looks fantastic on the 85.
What is the price of the part in the ‘States ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 17, 2019, 09:40:11 PM
Huzo,
$70 from AF-1 racing part #2B0024475

The vibration is from the engine.   Smooth as glass everywhere with the clutch pulled in.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 17, 2019, 09:46:23 PM
$70 from AF-1 racing part #2B0024475
I’m going to have to see our local Ducati man.
He gave me some ridiculous price for that black one in the shot on WG.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 18, 2019, 03:57:53 AM
Huzo,
$70 from AF-1 racing part #2B0024475

The vibration is from the engine.   Smooth as glass everywhere with the clutch pulled in.
Is this the one ?
(https://i.ibb.co/26L3bqw/E484-F4-B3-8-B45-4-B8-D-96-CA-1-EF5-F66-AC01-C.png) (https://ibb.co/26L3bqw)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 18, 2019, 05:08:02 AM
I’m going to have to see our local Ducati man.
He gave me some ridiculous price for that black one in the shot on WG.

How much did Stevens want for one?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 18, 2019, 05:46:31 AM
Zinfan: Thanks on Givi BF02 fitting.  Good to know. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 18, 2019, 06:05:50 AM
Is this the one ?
(https://i.ibb.co/26L3bqw/E484-F4-B3-8-B45-4-B8-D-96-CA-1-EF5-F66-AC01-C.png) (https://ibb.co/26L3bqw)


That looks “okay “, but the carbon fiber doesn’t fit the rest of the bike...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 18, 2019, 06:13:16 AM
That looks “okay “, but the carbon fiber doesn’t fit the rest of the bike...

A few minutes with a rattle-can will make it just about any colour you could dream of.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 18, 2019, 09:08:02 AM
Huzo,
Yes, that's the one.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 18, 2019, 09:43:16 AM
How much did Stevens want for one?
Being a Ducati part, I got a price from up the road at the Duke place.
They wanted about $200 for a plain paintable one and they reckon about $800 for a carbon one !
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 18, 2019, 09:44:55 AM
Huzo,
Yes, that's the one.
Thanks mate.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 18, 2019, 10:12:08 AM
Zinfan: Thanks on Givi BF02 fitting.  Good to know.

You need to thank NWrider for that info not me.  Good to know for sure.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alfaguzzi on August 18, 2019, 01:27:26 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/K5tWXLb/20190809-145919.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K5tWXLb)
That looks “okay “, but the carbon fiber doesn’t fit the rest of the bike...
with colours, folio -
(https://i.ibb.co/K5tWXLb/20190809-145919.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K5tWXLb)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Roebling3 on August 18, 2019, 01:42:54 PM
V85TT drive train question:
Is the V85 TT transmission the same or different from the V7 III?

I have a 2017 V7 III R. The transmission howls like a Banshee, in every gear, but is really bad in 3rd & 4th.  I've ridden many (9) V7 III's for comparison. They are all noisy, in my opinion. I wear hi quality ear plugs and an excellent helmet.. The bike has a bit over 7K miles on it. It's dreadful, annoying and tiresome. I've owned 8 MG's (V50 III, 2 Larios, 3 LM, Daytona and the V7 III.
  and many other bikes None have ever made the racket of this V7.

I was certain something was wrong from new. No lube oil? Drained (measured) and refilled as/manual. No change. Thought-hoped it would quiet with added miles. If anything it's worse.   TIA for your thoughts.  R3~
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Post by: beardog on August 18, 2019, 02:03:31 PM
 I am still waiting for the dealer in Mich. to get one they are saying the 21st of Aug.
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Post by: Cam3512 on August 18, 2019, 02:23:27 PM
Bud, not sure if it's the same 6 speed, but absolutely silent.  Now the gear whine on my Ambo is a different story.  Not the tranny but the front case.  No chain in '71.
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 19, 2019, 06:44:07 AM
Thanks NWrider for the quick lock ring info and to Zinfan for letting me know who to properly acknowledge.  Kudos all around.
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Post by: Bulldog9 on August 19, 2019, 06:56:22 AM
I am still waiting for the dealer in Mich. to get one they are saying the 21st of Aug.

XPS in Accident MD is showing 5-6 on their site. They are the highest Volume Aprilia seller in the US right now (or so they claim) so I imagine they have a ton of experience shipping bikes, or a great fly & ride. Great shop, no hassle, usually $100 doc fee. Ask for Matt.

https://www.xps-usa.com/default.asp?page=xAllInventory&make=moto%20guzzi#page=xAllInventory&make=moto%20guzzi
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Post by: NWrider on August 19, 2019, 08:37:32 AM
Huzo said: "Being a Ducati part, I got a price from up the road at the Duke place.
They wanted about $200 for a plain paintable one and they reckon about $800 for a carbon one !" 

It may be that the Ducati part is actually carbon fiber and not plastic like the Aprilia fender.
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Post by: twowheeladdict on August 19, 2019, 12:02:59 PM
Don't have the vibration issue.  Quite smooth actually.  Like the Caponord Rally fender idea.  Anakee Adventure are terrible.  Just let a friend of mine ride the bike which he loved but couldn't believe the noise of the tires.  He actually thought they may be defective.  He worked in the motorcycle industry for years.
Mine are being replaced as we speak with 705's.  The Anakee's won't see 1000 miles. Hard for me to comprehend how such a large established company can develop that design and not realize the problem thru testing before production.

Don't put Dunlop 606s on the V85TT then.   :wink:

I put them on my KLR for a trip and when on the pavement people in their front yards would turn and look because they could hear me coming 100 yards away. 
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 19, 2019, 01:33:07 PM
FYI all.  Just got off live chat with Bike Bandit.  They have confirmed that Cortech does not make a gas cap ring that will work with the V 85.  I really like the Cortech 3.8 L (small) Dryver Tank Bag with Map Pocket option.  Sadly looking like options currently are Givi & Oxford, neither of whom make a bag in the smaller size with map pocket that isn't tall.  Or wait for HB which should be coming, but again not real excited about there small bag offerings.  I will say the Cortech gas cap ring was far and away the worst looking of the bunch-beige plastic.  Nice bags, funky ring.  Search continues.
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 19, 2019, 01:37:52 PM
twowheeladdict: Regarding Dunlop 606's.  Made me laugh.  Thanks for that.
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 19, 2019, 01:41:35 PM
FYI: Oxford Ring part number.  OXFDOL.  Very nice stainless looking piece with three tabs.  Is hardly noticeable when there is no bag.  The aesthetics of this is perfect, too bad all Oxford's bags look like pumpkins to me. Too bulky.
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 19, 2019, 01:42:22 PM
OXFDOL 281.  Sorry, forgot the numbers.
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Post by: Zinfan on August 19, 2019, 04:29:56 PM
By the transitive property if a Givi tankring that fits at Tiger 1050 works on a V85TT then can we assume a SW-Motech ring for the Tiger will also fit the Guzzi?  I'd spring the $44 that Revzilla wants for the ring to test it out but I already have the Nomad tankbag installed.
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 20, 2019, 08:18:42 AM
Yes on Triumph 1050 $44.00 option.  Trying to decide between the Givi EA 123 5 L and the SW Motech Evo Micro 2.5 - 5 Liter.  The SWM is nice because you have a little fore/aft adjustment ability before you mount the base plate in the bag, which will aid in handlebar clearance. Both are almost identical in size.  Aesthetically I like the SWM tank ring better.  Metal vs plastic and doesn't look bad with bag off bike.  Not having used either, have no idea which system for attachment/release is better.  The cable mechanism on the SMW doesn't appeal to me as much as the Givi, but I really don't know why I feel that way.  Thanks for your input as always. 
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Post by: Zinfan on August 20, 2019, 09:44:10 AM
I have never seen the Givi release system so can't comment on which is better but I've had a SWM setup for years with the cable release and I never give it a second thought, it works well.
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Post by: jmee54 on August 20, 2019, 02:44:29 PM
To everyone who has one. Does your gearbox clunk at low revs between 1st and 2nd and 2nd and 3rd? Mine is scarily clanky, but fine through the other gears. Quite a few people have praised the gearbox - not sure if mine needs looking at!
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Post by: Kiwi Dave on August 20, 2019, 03:29:38 PM
Gear clunks are more likely to be caused by clutch drag.

Have you got a bit of play in your clutch lever?  You could try adjusting it to minimize the play and see if this helps.
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Post by: Cam3512 on August 20, 2019, 03:39:47 PM
Mine's a little clunky too at lower speeds.  Never had a Guzzi that wasn't.
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Post by: jmee54 on August 20, 2019, 04:01:50 PM
Another ask! Having the front mudguard situation on the way to be sorted, has anyone found a rear hugger solution?
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 20, 2019, 05:19:49 PM
Zinfan: Good feedback on the SWM cable.  Think I am going to go that route.  More money but I like the aesthetics on bag and tank ring  better.  Without your information on the Triumph Tiger 1050 fitting our tank,  I would still be buried in research with no answers.  Really appreciate your info. and timely responses. Just send me an email with your invoice for consulting fees.   I am sure I will be using your services in the future so if you want to draw up a contract I am good with that.  Cheers mate :boozing:
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Post by: NWrider on August 20, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
RE: first two gear shifts clunky:  In a word yes, but I've found that it's smoother to shift without fully pulling in the clutch.  I pre load the shift lever a bit and pull the clutch in about 1/3 of the way to the bar.
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Post by: Zinfan on August 21, 2019, 02:24:26 AM
RE: first two gear shifts clunky:  In a word yes, but I've found that it's smoother to shift without fully pulling in the clutch.  I pre load the shift lever a bit and pull the clutch in about 1/3 of the way to the bar.

I also get the first/second clunk. 
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Post by: Huzo on August 21, 2019, 08:01:41 AM
To everyone who has one. Does your gearbox clunk at low revs between 1st and 2nd and 2nd and 3rd? Mine is scarily clanky, but fine through the other gears. Quite a few people have praised the gearbox - not sure if mine needs looking at!
Both the ones that I rode do it a bit.
Only bottom 3 gears on the up change and not at all coming back down.
Probably the engagement dogs bedding in, I’ll not be too concerned.
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Post by: blu guzz on August 21, 2019, 10:43:21 AM
anyone who has ridden BMW's knows the technique for the best shifts.  FWIW, mine is either smooth or I do the BMW shift so automatically, that I think it is smooth.
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Post by: NWrider on August 21, 2019, 12:57:11 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/LYVdC7k/Givi-tank-bag-ring-BF-02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LYVdC7k)
Back to the Givi tank bag ring.   I got some longer screws to firmly attach the ring to the tank --- no issues there.   However, the Givi bag that I have will not work on the V85 because the handlebars will contact the bag and perhaps even the mount on the bottom of the back before the handlebars reach full lock.   The bag would have to be very small or move back on the slope before the back edge of the tank ring.    I normally put a tank bag on any bike I have, but with the V85 I think I'll just end up keeping the trunk on for the incidentals.
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Post by: Kiwi Dave on August 21, 2019, 03:12:59 PM
However, the Givi bag that I have will not work on the V85 because the handlebars will contact the bag and perhaps even the mount on the bottom of the back before the handlebars reach full lock.

That was my assessment too, and why I haven't proceeded with a Givi tank bag ring.
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 21, 2019, 03:33:57 PM

Re: Tank bags.  Not much space up there at full lock.  I want the SWM Micro to fit, but even slid back all the way It still looks like it will touch.  Would be so great to go to a location who carries what you are interested in so you could do a hands on evaluation.  I am fortunate to live close to a mega motorcycle store, Iron Pony in Columbus, and they have tons of luggage, but not the pieces I am interested in. 
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Post by: roadscum on August 21, 2019, 04:50:42 PM
Revzilla has an excellent returns program. Wouldn't expect any trouble with a return if it does not fit.

Paul
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 21, 2019, 07:51:41 PM
The amount of space up front measured lock to lock is about 5 1/2 inches at the narrowest point, which is right at the gas cap basically.   The SWM Micro is 8.3 inches wide.  I suppose the question is how often are we lock to lock?  In the garage moving it around, or parking it, but certainly not riding.  Looks like the V 85 needs a tank bag shaped like a gourd if a quick ring release bag is desired.  As you say, Revzilla is good about returns so maybe give it a try.
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Post by: Cam3512 on August 21, 2019, 08:07:22 PM
The amount of space up front measured lock to lock is about 5 1/2 inches at the narrowest point, which is right at the gas cap basically.   The SWM Micro is 8.3 inches wide.  I suppose the question is how often are we lock to lock?  In the garage moving it around, or parking it, but certainly not riding.  Looks like the V 85 needs a tank bag shaped like a gourd if a quick ring release bag is desired.  As you say, Revzilla is good about returns so maybe give it a try.

I’d be VERY hesitant about anything that would prevent full steering lock in one direction or the other.  Safety. 
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 22, 2019, 07:00:14 PM
Here is the answer to my tank bag needs.https://www.ukbuellgroup.co.uk/419562736

The Hepco Becker ring mount places the bag attachment on the slope of the tank.  In the article they have mounted the Tourer M bag and they state their is no interference with the steering on full lock.  I think of all the quick lock manufacturers, Hepco Becker is the only one that will currently work on the V 85.
This is what I am ordering.  Hope this info is helpful to anyone looking for a  quick lock tank bag that works on our machine.
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Post by: Kiwi Dave on August 22, 2019, 07:31:55 PM
Too ugly, especially if the tank bag is not present.
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Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 23, 2019, 12:25:16 AM
Too ugly, especially if the tank bag is not present.

Too ugly?  It's on an ADV bike, so I wouldn't have thought aesthetics would be a major determinant:  they're all, purposefully, ugly.

OK, it's also a Guzzi, so maybe not as unutterably hideous as some, but not even mildly svelte & sexy either....  Just kinda lumpy and..... pragmatic. 

That's what makes them so appealing:  those quirks & idiosyncrasies.  That slightly clunky 'box, the lumpy, rocking idle, those lines that hint more of a utilitarian grotesquery, a spartan functionality, than speed.  Ugly, but in a cute way.  Like an English Bull Terrier.
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Post by: Zinfan on August 23, 2019, 01:27:23 AM
Here is the answer to my tank bag needs.https://www.ukbuellgroup.co.uk/419562736

The Hepco Becker ring mount places the bag attachment on the slope of the tank.  In the article they have mounted the Tourer M bag and they state their is no interference with the steering on full lock.  I think of all the quick lock manufacturers, Hepco Becker is the only one that will currently work on the V 85.
This is what I am ordering.  Hope this info is helpful to anyone looking for a  quick lock tank bag that works on our machine.

Should work well, I saw on some website that the enduro bag from Hepco Becker won't work on the V85 probably due to the bag being mounted farther down the tank slope and the "tail" of the enduro bag would hit the tank.  I checked my Mosko Moto Nomad bag today full lock to lock and there is no interference plus the way the straps work you can adjust where the bag sits on the tank so it can be moved farther back if needed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 23, 2019, 07:45:24 AM
Form follows function.  The design of the tank, position of the gas cap,  and the space available when the handlebars are moved lock to lock basically prohibit mounting a bag up there IMO.  I have spent more time than I care to admit  trying to find a solution for a quick lock tank bag.  If I was going to use straps, the Nomad would certainly be one, if not the option. The available width above the gas cap is about 5 1/2 ".  My analysis & as always, YMMV:       1. Cortech: Dryver 3.8 L best bag/map pocket/ 10" W/ugliest ring mount/ring not available AFAIK  2. Givi: EA123  5 L/no map pocket/7.9" W/BFO2 ring fits/ring is OK aesthetically/this bag too small to adjust fore & aft/  3. SWM Micro  2.5-5 L/no map pocket/8.26" W/some fore & aft adj./a little pricey/best looking ring/Triumph 1050 ring available  4. Oxford: straight forward ring design ( OXFDOL 281 fits)/metal/aesthetically good/4 QR 4 L is 6.7" W/map pocket fairly tall at 8.26"/ internal water proof bag (not a fan) /reasonably priced.  5. Hepco Becker: only manufacturer with a quick ring design that actually positions the tank bag back and away from the top of tank as mentioned previously. The ring design moving the bag back so it sits in line with tank slope is IMO the best solution.  The ring itself is not as "appealing" as the SWM or Oxford, but it has an industrial proper design for the task designated. Still some confusion whether the tank bag Daypack small 3-5 L will work with the ring mount.  Some site descriptions say it will, other places says it is designed for a metal tank. It is the perfect size and nice map pocket on top. 8" x 9" x 4.5".  If not, then it will be the Daypack 2.0 and I will add the small small phone holder for some route direction info.  Calling Moto Machines today to see if Daypack small with work.
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Post by: kingoffleece on August 23, 2019, 08:10:52 AM
For those of you mounting straps and such protect your paint with IRC Racers tape.  I buy it at www.findtape.com.  This stuff is 100% fabulous.  2 inch by 12 foot will serve quite well.  Leading edge of forks is another key spot to use it.
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Post by: tommy2cyl on August 23, 2019, 09:55:18 AM
Very timely info on ISC tape.  That was going to be one of my next projects, just ordered on Amazon Prime. Thanks.   Regarding  Hepco Becker tank bag setup. Just got off phone with Moto Machines. First off, the Daypack Small is for magnetic tanks and does not work with the tank ring.  Again depending on where I looked, conflicting info on that. Now confirmed.  Shame because that is exactly what I want. Perfect size, expandable  & nice map pocket. That left me with Daypack 2.0 (7 L) or Royster (5.5 L). I like the shape of the Royster better but it has the inner rain pouch which to me looks like a giant PITA to constantly deal with when you want something. Daypack 2.0 has separate rain cover.  Tank Ring: $70.39/Daypack 2: $94.71 3. Smart Phone Holder $23.77 = $188.87. Tank Ring is back ordered . MM had received one shipment of only a few and they are sold.  3-4 weeks on the ring to arrive.  I hope some of this info was helpful for those exploring options.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 23, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
For those of you mounting straps and such protect your paint with IRC Racers tape.  I buy it at www.findtape.com.  This stuff is 100% fabulous.  2 inch by 12 foot will serve quite well.  Leading edge of forks is another key spot to use it.

Ahh thanks for the info, I had just ordered a couple of sheepskin strap protectors but I'll look at the tape as well.
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Post by: blu guzz on August 23, 2019, 11:02:44 AM
i have not had a tank bag since my last bmw.  that one was a givi with the ring.  it was such a clever design.  I really miss having one so thanks for this discussion.  With the popularity of this bike, I am sure that the aftermarket will fill the need by next riding season. 
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Post by: NWrider on August 24, 2019, 08:45:32 AM
First oil change at 709 Miles.   Some ferrous paste on the magnetic plug, no visible metal and only some very small aluminum flakes in the filter.
(https://i.ibb.co/6FhygM0/709-Mile-oil-drain-plug-swarf.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6FhygM0)

(https://i.ibb.co/G3HT4sg/709-Mile-oil-drain-plug-residue.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G3HT4sg)

(https://i.ibb.co/zNmyqvK/709-Mile-oil-filter-media.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zNmyqvK)
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Post by: NWrider on August 24, 2019, 09:25:42 AM
On another topic, there seems to be some confusion about the maximum rpm for the V-85 motor.   I've seen this statement in quite a few places: "Offering up a claimed 80 horsepower at 7750 rpm and 59 ft/lbs of torque at 5000 rpm."  However, the TFT display seems to indicate 6800 rpm as the maximum  -- but isn't that the maximum for the Roamer? 
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Post by: blu guzz on August 24, 2019, 10:32:20 AM
Mine shows 7900.  You can adjust when the shift warning comes on with the computer
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Post by: NWrider on August 24, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
I wonder if the display changes after the first 900+ miles.   I know you can change the shift light as you describe but my TFT display goes from blue to red
(https://i.ibb.co/B46YbjB/709-mile-TFT-display.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B46YbjB)

2012 e550 0 60 (https://statewideinventory.org/mercedes-0-60-times)
 starting at 6800 and continuing to the end of the arc.   My shift light goes 1st light amber at 4500 then the last - red at 5200 rpm, which I'll change when I finish the break-in period. 

I also wonder if anyone has revved to the point the limiter cuts in and what that rpm is.
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Post by: Cam3512 on August 24, 2019, 02:04:12 PM
You guys know what the valve clearances are on these new engines? 

Scanned the owners manual but can’t seem to find it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Daniel Kalal on August 24, 2019, 02:15:21 PM
Hello V85TT owners,

I'd been planning on riding a Stelvio from Agostini (in Mandello) in just a few days, but it seems somebody has just bashed that one beyond repair.  Consequently, I'll be riding a V85TT, instead (I do not know about the injuries to the rider).

I've read the operator's manual, and I think I've got most of it figured, but a few (easy) questions remain that I'm hoping one of you will be able to answer:

1) when the seat is removed, are the battery terminals accessible (perhaps by removing a cover) so that I can connect the harness for an external outlet?  This was easy to do with the Stelvio as there was only a small cover that needed to be removed.

2) when the seat is removed, the manual says there's something they call a "glove box" up front.  How does this space compare with the under-seat storage in the Stelvio?  Mainly, I'd like to know if my small air-pump will still fit.  Could one of you give me the three measurements?

3) I believe Guzzi offers an optional seat for a higher seat position as the existing seat not have an adjustment (as does the Stelvio).  I've not heard that anybody has even seen this optional seat.  Have you?

4) there's a small bum-stop attachment to seat that seems to be screwed on (I guess).  Assuming it's easily removed, does this give you an additional inch, or so of space without any discomfort from (say) a fitting that might remain?  Any of you try it?

Thank you.
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Post by: bad Chad on August 24, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
I can answer question 3, yes there is a higher seat from Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 24, 2019, 03:10:08 PM
Hello V85TT owners,

I'd been planning on riding a Stelvio from Agostini (in Mandello) in just a few days, but it seems somebody has just bashed that one beyond repair.  Consequently, I'll be riding a V85TT, instead (I do not know about the injuries to the rider).

I've read the operator's manual, and I think I've got most of it figured, but a few (easy) questions remain that I'm hoping one of you will be able to answer:

1) when the seat is removed, are the battery terminals accessible (perhaps by removing a cover) so that I can connect the harness for an external outlet?  This was easy to do with the Stelvio as there was only a small cover that needed to be removed.

2) when the seat is removed, the manual says there's something they call a "glove box" up front.  How does this space compare with the under-seat storage in the Stelvio?  Mainly, I'd like to know if my small air-pump will still fit.  Could one of you give me the three measurements?

3) I believe Guzzi offers an optional seat for a higher seat position as the existing seat not have an adjustment (as does the Stelvio).  I've not heard that anybody has even seen this optional seat.  Have you?

4) there's a small bum-stop attachment to seat that seems to be screwed on (I guess).  Assuming it's easily removed, does this give you an additional inch, or so of space without any discomfort from (say) a fitting that might remain?  Any of you try it?

Thank you.

Daniel,

1) Yes.   Battery is easily accessible. Seat is removed with the ignition key at the very back of the bike.

3) Yes.  AF1 (Guzzi) sells a taller seat.  I bought the shorter.

4) Yes.  Bump stop is easily removed.  Nuts are on bottom of seat.

 I will try to measure that compartment under the seat tomorrow morning. Unless somebody beats me to it.

Cam
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 24, 2019, 03:14:01 PM
Hello V85TT owners,

I'd been planning on riding a Stelvio from Agostini (in Mandello) in just a few days, but it seems somebody has just bashed that one beyond repair.  Consequently, I'll be riding a V85TT, instead (I do not know about the injuries to the rider).

I've read the operator's manual, and I think I've got most of it figured, but a few (easy) questions remain that I'm hoping one of you will be able to answer:

1) when the seat is removed, are the battery terminals accessible (perhaps by removing a cover) so that I can connect the harness for an external outlet?  This was easy to do with the Stelvio as there was only a small cover that needed to be removed.

2) when the seat is removed, the manual says there's something they call a "glove box" up front.  How does this space compare with the under-seat storage in the Stelvio?  Mainly, I'd like to know if my small air-pump will still fit.  Could one of you give me the three measurements?

3) I believe Guzzi offers an optional seat for a higher seat position as the existing seat not have an adjustment (as does the Stelvio).  I've not heard that anybody has even seen this optional seat.  Have you?

4) there's a small bum-stop attachment to seat that seems to be screwed on (I guess).  Assuming it's easily removed, does this give you an additional inch, or so of space without any discomfort from (say) a fitting that might remain?  Any of you try it?

Thank you.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Misc/Stuff/i-2Gtbdnq/0/93654407/X2/IMG_20190824_130140-X2.jpg)

1) You can get to the terminals once you remove the glove box, if the bike has it's tools as pictured above you use the small allen key to remove the two bolts attaching the glove box to the frame and you can then pull the glove box out.

2) 8.5 inches long by about 5 inches wide and only 1.5 inches deep at most and pretty shallow for most of it.  The Stelvio storage under the passenger seat is much deeper and can hold a bunch more.

3) Have not tried the high seat

4) Yes you can unscrew the seat bump and there isn't anything that would cause you discomfort if you did remove it however you would need to be careful as the fabric of the seat below the bump isn't glued down so it will raise up and could possibly be snagged and torn by an errant boot buckle or the like.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Daniel Kalal on August 24, 2019, 03:26:09 PM
Quote from: Zinfan
2) 8.5 inches long by about 5 inches wide and only 1.5 inches deep at most and pretty shallow for most of it.  The Stelvio storage under the passenger seat is much deeper and can hold a bunch more.

The Stelvio is 8"x6"x3" so it's a fair bit larger.  Perhaps the V85TT seat doesn't fit right to the top rim of the box--I guess I'll just see how close it comes, but it looks like it might be too small to hold the pump and the associated cords.  I don't want to haul the rear box or panniers around, so that's not an option.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 24, 2019, 04:11:23 PM
The Stelvio is 8"x6"x3" so it's a fair bit larger.  Perhaps the V85TT seat doesn't fit right to the top rim of the box--I guess I'll just see how close it comes, but it looks like it might be too small to hold the pump and the associated cords.  I don't want to haul the rear box or panniers around, so that's not an option.

I have a Slime brand pump that measures 4.5"X3.5"X1.5" that I tried to fit in the glove box and it actually worked.  The seat needs a bit of pressure to fully seat but not that much and I don't think it would affect anything.  The associated cords and hose would most likely fit in the space where my Fuze block is in the picture.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Misc/Stuff/i-qL2krD8/0/70cc6cf0/X2/IMG_20190824_140449-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Daniel Kalal on August 24, 2019, 05:46:48 PM
Quote from: Zinfan
I have a Slime brand pump that measures 4.5"X3.5"X1.5" that I tried to fit in the glove box and it actually worked.

Thank you.  That's good news.  I need to go shopping for a smaller pump, which is likely going to be available at most any Walmart or the like--easily done.  I'll snip off the cigarette plug, replace it with a Powerlet plug and should be good to go.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 24, 2019, 05:49:18 PM
i pinned my throttle today and it cuts out between 7500 and 7900 but it happens so fast I can't tell you exactly.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 24, 2019, 06:19:30 PM
Thanks Blue Guzz for the confirmation.  But to clarify, you're saying that the red arc starts at 7900 and ends at 9K?

Cam3512, the clearances are .004 intake and .006 exhaust.   I just now got through checking mine.   What I found:

LCyl: Int .006 Exh .008   RCyl: Int .008 Exh .006

For all of the Pdf manuals go to: Thisoldtractor.com
He also has most of the torque specs for fasteners & bolts
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 24, 2019, 06:35:48 PM
I wonder if the display changes after the first 900+ miles.   I know you can change the shift light as you describe but my TFT display goes from blue to red
(https://i.ibb.co/B46YbjB/709-mile-TFT-display.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B46YbjB)

2012 e550 0 60 (https://statewideinventory.org/mercedes-0-60-times)
 starting at 6800 and continuing to the end of the arc.   My shift light goes 1st light amber at 4500 then the last - red at 5200 rpm, which I'll change when I finish the break-in period. 

I also wonder if anyone has revved to the point the limiter cuts in and what that rpm is.

My display looks just like yours and i have 1500 miles on mine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 24, 2019, 07:05:25 PM
sorry if not clear.  The red starts at 6900 and stays red until between 7500 and where the engine cuts off but in any event, not over 7900. it seems to still be pulling even at that point but MG must have decided to shut it down for the longevity of the engine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on August 24, 2019, 07:20:34 PM
It cuts off at 7900 soooo you don’t get a speeding ticket...👍
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 24, 2019, 09:22:51 PM
even at 100 mph, there is still a ways to go until redline in 6th so i guess you could get a ticket in spite of the company's best efforts.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on August 24, 2019, 11:10:05 PM
I have seen a couple of comments about fuel economy but has anyone determined what their effective fuel range would be?

If the tank truly holds 23 liters and each liter is 1.05 quarts then the tank essentially holds 6 gallons (US gallons) of fuel.  So at 50 mpg one could theoretically get 300 miles per tank.  I'd really like to rely on 250 miles but that depends not only on mileage but usable fuel capacity.  I doubt anyone has actually filled the tank from empty to know what it will really hold but maybe someone here has topped off with the "mile remaining" indicating 25 and it took X number of gallons/liters to refill and we can determine usable fuel tank and approximate maximum fuel range.

Thanks.

NC
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dean Rose on August 25, 2019, 06:55:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ofZikl626o
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 25, 2019, 06:58:52 AM
it is very hard to guage how much you can get into the tank.  there is a space (very dark) between the gas cap and where the nozzle goes into the tank.  It is hard to explain.  the result is that you have to peer down through that dark space into the tank to try and see how much fuel you have in there.  my next to last tank had the computer telling me I had 325 miles of range.  When I filled up this time, it said 298 and it seemed that the mileage was at 60 or better based on the miles travelled, so i think i did not get as much in as the prior tank.  but, with the top case on and no side luggage, the computer says 55mpg if you don't ride too fast (over 70).  I think it is very accurate.  My highest mileage between fills was 200 and it took 3.8 gallons, so I think it is close.  Yesterday I was hurrying around our beltway and averaging 80 mph for a while and the computer was giving me instant mileage in the lower 40s.  80mph is 5000rpm.  I have decided not to worry about it since I think that over 200 miles is easy even if you are running fast.  I can't sit on a bike for 200 straight miles anyway.  2 hours is between 120 and 150 miles for me.  The warning light on the 1400 came on around 150 by comparison and I never had an issue with that.
BTW my 1st service warning popped on right at 900 miles.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 25, 2019, 08:47:19 AM
Thanks for the followup posts on the red line on the TFT.   I'm used to having Guzzi tachs with a yellow caution zone before the red line.   Seems strange that they would start it so low.

I've been filling up at between 200 - 230 miles with between 3.8 - 4 gallons used with very little steady state throttle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on August 25, 2019, 12:14:54 PM
Can anyone comment on the long-distance comfort of the seat?  Can you go a full tank without that burning sensation?  Also, how does the engine pull and the bike handle with the bags loaded and maybe a roll bag stapped to the pillion?  I took a test ride a couple of weeks ago and was really impressed, but I want to take a longer test ride and see some feedback on this before I make the decision.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 25, 2019, 04:41:12 PM
I have ridden the bike a few times with 220 miles between fuel stops and the seat seems comfortable enough, I do need to stand up every once in awhile but I have yet to ride a bike that I haven't needed to stand up every so often.  I have also test ridden my bike loaded up with camping gear and tools and items for an upcoming trip and as you might expect the handling is much slower and heavy with a noticeable shift in weight to the rear but it still feels great just not as great as unloaded.  The engine can easily pull the bike along loaded up with stuff, perhaps not Griso/Norge/Stelvio pull but more than enough IMO.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on August 26, 2019, 03:24:59 AM
I took mine out with my large givi top box, empty for use for storing gear when off the bike, with the generously proportioned other half riding pillion and found I was riding on the front of the seat and not feeling very comfortable. Leaving the top box off would have made life easier, leaving the other half at home would have solved the problem! I might have been a bit lonely though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 26, 2019, 02:53:46 PM
Not sure why you say this - it's cheaper than the low end BMW solution (F750 GS) and the low end Triumph solution (Tiger 800 Xr), and, the naked version's price is comparable to a Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled.  How do I know?  I looked at those three bikes this weekend.  I was pleasantly surprised with the V85 price.  I'm just not sure I want to wait till June, which is when AF1 says they expect their first shipment, nor am I sure I want to live with the teething problems related to a brand new Guzzi model.

don't forget that cruise control is standard on the TT
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Daniel Kalal on August 27, 2019, 02:33:03 PM
could I ask one of you to post a photo of the rear rack of the V85TT, taken looking straight down?

Thanks.  I'm trying to see what options I have for attaching a SPOT tracking device.  It's funny; I've looked through quite a few images of the bike and there's not a single shot of this detail.  It must be the least attractive part of the whole motorcycle.

one more thing...
could I also ask you to take a photo looking down (or from the rider's perspective) on the handlebars?  I want to see if it's possible to strap a tool bag to the bar support brackets (below the bar) the same as works well with a Stelvio.  I don't know if there's any space there or how the bar is actually attached to the forks.

Thanks, again.

-d
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 27, 2019, 06:07:18 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Misc/Stuff/i-rnh4Vg8/0/c7981f50/XL/IMG_20190827_160030-XL.jpg)

This is the rack that is installed if the bike is using the factory luggage, bikes not setup for the luggage have a different look.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Misc/Stuff/i-XLCL7Dj/0/623d76cc/XL/IMG_20190827_160230-XL.jpg)

It looks like the bracket from the triple tree to the handlebar clamp is about the same height as the Stelvio but you will have issues with clearance to the dashboard since on the V85 it is only 3 inches from the dash to the bars and the Stelvio has much more room there.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Daniel Kalal on August 27, 2019, 07:52:14 PM
Quote from: Zinfan

Thanks for both those photos.

Yes; it looks like I'll need to sort out a different way to attach the tools pouch when I get to Mandello.  Of course, my standard Stelvio pouch contains a tire repair kit, which isn't any use on the V85TT tire w/tube, so I might be able to fit things in the under-seat tool tray, depending on how much the new 12V-pump fills up that small cavity.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 27, 2019, 07:58:05 PM
I know you just travel with the “yellow bag”, but why not keep the saddle bags on for more storage?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Daniel Kalal on August 27, 2019, 08:10:12 PM
I know you just travel with the “yellow bag”, but why not keep the saddle bags on for more storage?

That's a fair question.

Years ago, I did carry more stuff and also used the saddle bags and rear trunk (even when not camping).  But, since I discovered that I can do without all that, I've made it a point to limit myself to the one small yellow bag.

From a practical standpoint, it's nice to be able to grab that duffle and carry it into the hotel for the night and know there's nothing I've left behind--I have it all.

The last time I used anything more than the duffle was in 2007 when I rode Pete's yellow Griso (see photo) and realized I didn't actually need his nice soft luggage at all--the yellow bag was sufficient.  I've taken several month-long trips this way and haven't missed the additional space.

(http://www.dankalal.net/2007trip15/photo079.JPG)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 27, 2019, 08:27:15 PM
Does the V85 have tubeless tires?  Correct this please.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 27, 2019, 08:29:45 PM
Does the V85 have tubeless tires?  Correct this please.

Nope it uses tubes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 27, 2019, 08:30:35 PM
Nope it uses tubes.

 :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 27, 2019, 08:36:04 PM
That's a fair question.

Years ago, I did carry more stuff and also used the saddle bags and rear trunk (even when not camping).  But, since I discovered that I can do without all that, I've made it a point to limit myself to the one small yellow bag.

From a practical standpoint, it's nice to be able to grab that duffle and carry it into the hotel for the night and know there's nothing I've left behind--I have it all.

The last time I used anything more than the duffle was in 2007 when I rode Pete's yellow Griso (see photo) and realized I didn't actually need his nice soft luggage at all--the yellow bag was sufficient.  I've taken several month-long trips this way and haven't missed the additional space.

(http://www.dankalal.net/2007trip15/photo079.JPG)

I carry too much stuff.  Tomorrow I'm off on a multi-week trip to Colorado and I am taking camping stuff along which takes up one side case, in the other side case is tool kit/tire repair kit and foul weather gear when off the bike.  Have a Mosko Moto duffle bag with clothing, sleeping bag, first aid kit and toiletries across passenger seat.  Tank bag holds stuff like lens cleaner, sat tracker, ebook reader and hat.  Top case is not being used.  Oh and I have a small softbag cooler strapped to the very back of the bike for food stuff, it is going to look like I'm fleeing Oklahoma during the dust bowl when I set off.  If I left the camping stuff behind I could get away with perhaps just the duffle across the back of the seat, will have to take short trips to test it out.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 28, 2019, 09:30:10 AM
Yes, the V85 spokes are not sealed so it uses tubes.  However, the rims and tires are "tubeless" type.  That's why I and others are/will be sealing the rim to eliminate the tube.  I've done this on a Triumph Tiger XCX over 2 years ago with no issues.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 28, 2019, 10:56:57 AM
I carry too much stuff.  Tomorrow I'm off on a multi-week trip to Colorado and I am taking camping stuff along which takes up one side case, in the other side case is tool kit/tire repair kit and foul weather gear when off the bike.  Have a Mosko Moto duffle bag with clothing, sleeping bag, first aid kit and toiletries across passenger seat.  Tank bag holds stuff like lens cleaner, sat tracker, ebook reader and hat.  Top case is not being used.  Oh and I have a small softbag cooler strapped to the very back of the bike for food stuff, it is going to look like I'm fleeing Oklahoma during the dust bowl when I set off.  If I left the camping stuff behind I could get away with perhaps just the duffle across the back of the seat, will have to take short trips to test it out.

What size/model Mosko duffel are you using?  I don't like the weight up high and back in the topcase either.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 28, 2019, 06:33:23 PM
Caponord Rally Front Fender installed on my V85.
(https://i.ibb.co/WG61jck/Caponord-Rally-front-fender-V85-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WG61jck)

(https://i.ibb.co/gWvth4f/Caponord-Rally-front-fender-V85-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gWvth4f)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 28, 2019, 11:08:13 PM
What size/model Mosko duffel are you using?  I don't like the weight up high and back in the topcase either.

I have the 40liter one.  If I use it along with the top case the duffel can't sit back far enough and I lose seating room and the top case holds too little to make it worth using.

Here is the bike at Mt. Whitney at the end of a 350 mile day, those of you who read ADVrider.com will have seen this already but the upshot is that the bike ran great in high heat (95-100) all day.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Misc/Stuff/i-98H2WWk/0/60939208/X2/IMG_20190828_172622-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 29, 2019, 02:56:13 AM
Stuff for my V85.
Just bought the top box “kit”
Side case “kits”
Engine bars
Centrestand......
$4,180......(GULP...!) :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 29, 2019, 08:54:24 AM
Nice picture on a lonely road!  How about a route list for your trip?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 29, 2019, 09:32:39 AM
Just swapped out the Anakee Adventures ($333.51) for Shinko 705's ($171.00) after a total of 1,085 miles.   Totally quiet, just like it should be.  The only good part of this is the young mechanic who did the switch out asked me what I was going to do with the tires.  I said he could have them.  Remember when you were young and dirt poor, and how good it felt to get an unexpected gift?  I told him why I was dumping the AA's and other than the ridiculous whine I am sure they will perform well. He was thrilled to get them and it made me feel good to give them to him.  Win-Win!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 29, 2019, 10:03:14 PM
Tommy2cyl,   Did you have a front wheel bounce at around 35 or so mph with the Anakee tire and if so, did it get resolved with the Shinko 705?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 29, 2019, 10:21:28 PM
Nice picture on a lonely road!  How about a route list for your trip?

Here is a big overview of the route.  I'm in Carson City tonight and through the weekend and will head east towards Ely on Monday.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Various-Photos/i-qhMdcjf/0/f2d29d02/X2/route-X2.png)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 29, 2019, 10:29:31 PM
Given the relative dearth of the V85's underseat cargo (i.e. extended/comprehensive touring toolkit) capacity, have any current owners explored the possibility of permanently fixed alternatives?

In the absence of any extant examples, I'm guessing there may be some spare space on the RHS betwixt pannier rack & rear wheel & behind the suspension assembly.  Something suitable for an aftermarket proprietary lockable 'box from Givi or Touratech for example.  Or perhaps a jerrybuilt original fabricated from 90/100mm PVC pressure/stormwater/sewer pipe with glued & screwed ends?

Is there sufficient clearances for any of these alternatives?  Anybody tried it yet?  How have you mounted it: to pannier racks &/or frame?  Is there adequate width allowance when using Givi's proprietary racks/panniers?

https://shop.touratech.de/werkzeugbox-fur-original-edelstahl-koffertrager-bmw-r1200gs-r1200gs-adventure.html

https://www.advdesigns.com/adlotobo.html

https://www.givi.it/givi-products/motorbike-accessories/extra-cargo-accessories/s250-tool-box

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on August 30, 2019, 05:41:54 AM
NWrider:  I did not have any wheel bounce with the Anakee's. I actually have no complaint on their performance.  Worked well in gravel, damp sandy road as well. Never rode in rain so don't know regarding wet conditions.  I did notice that the rears mounted with the same amount of weight to balance.  The front Shinko only needed about 20% of the stick on weights to balance compared to the Anakee.  Front Shinko took very little weight to balance.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on August 30, 2019, 08:53:19 AM
Zinfan: looks like a great route and a fun ride.

Tommy2cyl: thanks for the followup.   I had a Tenere that had a severe shake & wobble at 65+.  The bike was new to me but with only 2000miles on it.  I replaced the front tire with a Heidenau and cured the problem. May do the same with the V85.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on August 30, 2019, 01:38:53 PM
I found the fork rebound setting seems to affect the bouncing.  Running the fork full soft (screw all the way out) makes the bounce much less noticeable whereas screwing it in all the way makes it worse and happens up to 40 mph instead of just around 30 mph when I had it set right in the middle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 01, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Does anyone find the throttle spring a little on the strong side on their V85? I find that on longish rides I develop wrist ache. I can see no reason why a RBW throttle needs a strong spring. Is there a fix? I don't feel like poking about till someone who knows what they are doing tells me I am not going to bugger it up! On my last journey I discovered the joys of cruise control, but it's only of real use on a relatively empty dual carriage way - not easy to find in Cornwall at this time of year.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 01, 2019, 11:22:45 AM
jmee54, you're not alone with your observation of the throttle spring.  I found it helpful to wrap the throttle grip with an additional layer of silicone self sealing tape.  Grip Puppies would be another option to increase the diameter of the grip and give a bit more leverage.  Ideally, a change of throttle return spring would be the best option.   I'll bet someone will chime in soon with a fix.  For now, I'm just going to ride.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Speedysheep on September 01, 2019, 01:40:56 PM
Does anyone find the throttle spring a little on the strong side on their V85? I find that on longish rides I develop wrist ache. I can see no reason why a RBW throttle needs a strong spring. Is there a fix? I don't feel like poking about till someone who knows what they are doing tells me I am not going to bugger it up! On my last journey I discovered the joys of cruise control, but it's only of real use on a relatively empty dual carriage way - not easy to find in Cornwall at this time of year.

It actually has a much softer throttle spring than the bike I came off of (Yamaha Super Tenere).  The problem for me is the ridiculously small diameter grips.  With the arthritis in my right hand, they give me some serious issues. Putting grip puppies on it for now.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 01, 2019, 03:09:02 PM
bicycle handlebar wrap works great and lets you decide the diameter. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 01, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
The one I rode had just been to a BMW rally and the owner said the moment it was parked literally dozens of doddery old GS riders swarmed around it like flies round a bull's arse! Seems like there are a lot of people out there on GS's who can't handle the weight any more but don't want to abandon shaft drive. Since none of them ever seem to ride their bloated shitheaps faster than about 90kph, even on the road, (Hang on! They never actually take them even on well graded dirt so that was a redundancy!) the V85 would seem like the answer to their maiden's prayer!

I think Piaggio may well have a serious competitor with this bike. After all, it surprised me!

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Speedysheep on September 01, 2019, 05:10:09 PM
bicycle handlebar wrap works great and lets you decide the diameter.

Can I turn them into barrel grips?!!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 01, 2019, 05:27:36 PM
I was late leaving  the Ohio Buckeye Rally this morning because after I loaded the bike, I could not get away from lots of interested people.  It did not occur to me until later that many of the attendees had never had the chance to see one. I am spoiled having the dealer in our city.  There were 2 dealer owners there and they both rode their own personal bikes.  I guess they did not realize either or one or both might have brought v85s, or it was intentional because they both just wanted to enjoy the rally and not be on the job so to speak (couldn't blame them for that).  The sales job was left to me and the other V85 rider who attended. I didn't mind and I am sure he did not  either.  Of course, these are the faithful, but the interest level is high, if not for this bike, then for the eventual roadster or norge variant.  Can any of the more experienced veterans remember a Guzzi that generated this much interest not only from the faithful, but riders of other brands as well?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 01, 2019, 08:22:14 PM
Well an old friend bought one and I got a brief ride on it yesterday.

Despite my cynicism it is a machine that is greater than the sum of its parts and I have to admit it was very enjoyable. I was expecting it to be bland, anodyne and boring. It isn't. You can tell you're riding a motorbike and it has a very nice induction honk. The motor is surprisingly sprightly especially compared to the truly lacklustre performance of the V7 and V9 series. No, of course it's not up there with Capo 1200 performance, that's not what it's aimed at, but considering it is a highly regulated air cooled motor pushing a heavy bike using a cardan shaft it's estimated, (By me.) mid sixties rear wheel HP and well chosen gearing mean that it gets off the mark adequately and will cruise effortlessly at 130kph with plenty in reserve although for brisk overtaking from those speeds I'd be dropping it a gear and really nailing it. With a Hi-Cam top end and an extra pair of valves per cylinder it really could be a very nice motor indeed.

Many people have commented on the clutch. It really is extraordinarily light in its action. A joy to use. The gearbox ratios are well spaced and the gearbox, as have all Guzzi gearboxes since the advent of the 'Nuovo Six Speed' in the CARC bike's
is a solid, efficient, light and positive action unit that does everything asked of it well.

The one I rode has the 'Low' seat and although I didn't have time to judge it's true distance comfort it didn't feel like the sort of perch that would cripple you in two hours. The ergonomics also worked well for me with both the reach to the bars and footpeg position seeming well chosen. Brakes work OK. I'd be throwing in some HH pads rather than the FF's they always come with.

What didn't I like? The dashboard is horrid. I don't know who came up with the idea of these types of LCD dashes but they should be taken out the back for a good kicking. Awful. The headlight with the chunder inducing 'Falcon' motif looks like something a small child dreamt up. Enough of that shit! And the biggest disappointment is the suspension. True 'Poverty Pack' junk but since nobody seems to complain about it I can only assume that barely adjustable, underdamped crap is OK in most people's books. Both front and rear feel seriously wanting and really make the bike feel like it's been 'Built down to a (very low) price'! Aprilia/Piaggio have history in this regard. Look at the shite the poor Shiver and Mana were stuck with. Shameful!

Overall though I was mightily and happily impressed. Will I be buying one? Not until it gets a better top end, no. Thing is I reckon I'll be able to ride the Stelvio for a few more years and by then, hopefully, they will of developed a decent engine to go in the V85. I can wait.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48657150976_01e41435c1_z.jpg)

I was expecting to hate it. I don't. I actually like it a lot. As I said at the beginning, it is greater than the sum of its parts.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on September 02, 2019, 04:55:10 AM

I was expecting to hate it. I don't. I actually like it a lot. As I said at the beginning, it is greater than the sum of its parts.

Pete

There is hope for mankind after all ;-)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 02, 2019, 05:06:55 AM
There are still a lot of things that are shitty with it Frans.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on September 02, 2019, 05:15:43 AM
There are still a lot of things that are shitty with it Frans.

I know Pete, but for me it was the ideal Guzzi for my needs.  Getting too old to properly manage my Norge + passenger , I swapped it for a Bmw F700Gs, but did not like the chain and the general feel (excellent bike though).
So when Guzzi came up with the V85, I jumped on it and was thrilled with the lesser weight, the cardan, the light clutch , the decent seat and the -for me- very comfy upright position.  It steers as light as my Beemer did and soaks up the bad Belgian roads even better.
And yes, it could use more grunt, it needs a front guard (gets dirty too easily) and I would like heated grips and some other stuff, but I am not fussy.  I simply wanted something easy and pleasant to ride, and I got it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 02, 2019, 05:28:43 AM
I feel maybe Belgian roads are probably a lot better than most in Rural NSW and roads in Rural NSW are like magic carpets compared to Queensland! :grin: Really, I'm glad you're happy. As I said I was really gobsmacked by how well it works but for me the 'Bargain Basement' suspension was the greatest disappointment.

It really is a bike that is greater than the sum of its parts.

You aren't alone in the reasons you like it. Apparently BMW riders of the *Big* GS persuasion are queueing up to drool over them at rallies! That's got to be a win!

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 02, 2019, 05:59:05 AM
I have been riding bikes for a year less than 50 years. I have never ridden a top of the range bike so have never experienced super duper suspension,one finger brakes, blistering performance, or any of the magic that a premium bikes come with. I have 3 Guzzis, an Ambassador (71) a Convert (79) and this V85 and love them all. Just how much would the bike cost with all of these top of the range parts? I struggled to afford the bike as it stands (on pcp) and to me it is fantastic just as it is (almost). I don't understand why the gear box clunks, why the gear indicator disappears when the clutch is operated, why the key is buried in an inaccessible hole, and why the screen is useless. I have lived with such "problems" for 50 years and I have no need for more expensive do dahs, just a little bit more function.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on September 02, 2019, 09:35:31 AM
I don't understand why the gear box clunks, why the gear indicator disappears when the clutch is operated, why the key is buried in an inaccessible hole, and why the screen is useless. I have lived with such "problems" for 50 years and I have no need for more expensive do dahs, just a little bit more function.
:thumb:
Agreed with everything, except for the screen.  And ad the lack of a front fender, the gashandle that is too harsh and the sidestand that is a bit too long, sometimes putting the bike too upright. But it's a great bike, I love it.  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 02, 2019, 10:28:52 AM
to bring it in at the price point, some compromises have to be made.  for me at 200 lbs with gear, i like the suspension choice.  i have had aftermarket suspension on all of my beemers because those more expensive (than the v85) bikes had marginal suspensions and 2 inches less travel.  before the 1400, my bike was a k1200rs with top of the line ohlins.  it was very supple and subtle, but on the larger bumps you still felt it.  even with the stock suspension, the v85 simply has more room to work with.  by making the choice they did, the new owner can pop for a better suspension if he wants but for most of us riding these bikes, stock will do fine.  i bet the tiger and rotax bmws suspension is very similar in quality and feel.  the dash - i love a beautiful set of vintage guages, but this tft thingy works fine and gives you all the info.  my gear box is the best i have owned.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: little750 on September 02, 2019, 10:31:41 AM
A 1000 miles in 19 hours on a V85  https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-mcdonalds-express
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 02, 2019, 03:06:58 PM
Fitted my Aprilia front mud guard this evening, in twilight using my phone torch and a star key. It took ten minutes and required no additional parts. I don't think I will try to add the original fork covers as it is quite unobtrusive as it is.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 02, 2019, 03:27:43 PM
I think the stock suspension is FAR better than other new (and old) Guzzis I have owned and ridden.  Same has been said by others I know who are very knowledgeable and fussy suspenion freaks.  Guess mine is set just right for my weight? 

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on September 03, 2019, 10:35:41 AM
I think the stock suspension is FAR better than other new (and old) Guzzis I have owned and ridden.  Same has been said by others I know who are very knowledgeable and fussy suspenion freaks.  Guess mine is set just right for my weight?

Me too!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on September 03, 2019, 04:28:17 PM
Jmee54–can you post a pic of the new fender on your v85— :drool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 03, 2019, 06:58:06 PM
See post 2063 for pics
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 04, 2019, 10:20:31 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/sywqbk7/Lola-mudguard.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sywqbk7)





I'm unsure if this has worked, we'll see in a minute.


Hurrah!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rdbandkab on September 04, 2019, 02:06:21 PM
I wonder if the success of this model (and hopefully the upcoming roadie version) sales will see the reemergence of new/old dealerships.  It'd be nice for the tri-state area surrounding Pittsburgh, PA to get a dealer or three.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 04, 2019, 04:48:59 PM
i would love to see all the major and some medium sized cities get a dealer or 2.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on September 04, 2019, 05:44:19 PM
Is part # 2b0024475 an exact fit ? Thanks
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on September 04, 2019, 07:13:12 PM
I wonder if the success of this model (and hopefully the upcoming roadie version) sales will see the reemergence of new/old dealerships.  It'd be nice for the tri-state area surrounding Pittsburgh, PA to get a dealer or three.

I have talked several times to the KTM dealer in Warrendale.  The problem is he had to take on ALL the lines and models of Piaggio so he just couldn't afford it.  I feel I was lucky to talk Team Charlotte into picking up the brand and filling the void left by Matthews closing.  That is where I ended up getting mine.  Not exactly a suburb of Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lannis on September 04, 2019, 09:23:55 PM
i would love to see all the major and some medium sized cities get a dealer or 2.

Many major and some medium sized STATES don't have and won't get a dealer or 2 .... Who's going to take a chance?

We have an ideal situation for one right here; a dealer in business for 50 years, has taken on Piaggio/Vespa/Aprilia and been successful with it, but runs from the idea of taking on Guzzi like it's got a stinger in its tail.

They've heard all the dealer horror stories, just like us ...

Lannis
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 05, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
It's not much better here in the UK, albeit on a smaller scale. I have to travel 110 miles to my "local" dealer, which may seem small potatoes to you folks in larger countries, but Piagio are shooting themselves in the foot, as interest in this bike is so high.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 05, 2019, 10:35:47 AM
the 2 dealers that I have the most experience with are Cadre and Hamlins.  the owners are younger fellows who have taken sensible amounts of space and have built dealerships that are closer to the old school model.  The new school model being spend millions of dollars to build a fantasy land.  Both dealers have used all of their space for bikes.  Cadre has a good used bike business too.  Neither has a lot of money in accessory inventory that can just sit around costing money.  They have enough people but not to many and the owners get their hands dirty.  Cadre services other Euro bikes and older Japanese brands that can be difficult to find service for, I don't know about Hamlins.  Also, if the price of the V85 is an indicator of the future variants and including the v7 and v9 series, there are a good number of bikes that a younger person can buy for under $10k.  I think there is an opportunity for a smart guy with passion to be successful as long as they don't all of a sudden decide to lease the huge space.
I don't see large multi-brands taking on MG because the bikes would just sit in a corner, none of the sales people would be interested in them when they can sell a hot brand xyz.
At any rate - here's hoping.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on September 05, 2019, 03:15:47 PM
Somewhere on one of these V85 threads, I made an inquiry regarding the self cancelling turn signals.

I had an opportunity to ride one during the Ohio rally and found out. They do in fact cancel eventually. It takes a good 40 or 45 seconds but they do stop. I think they act more as a "if you haven't done it by now, we'll stop it for you" sort of thing. Perhaps not as elegant as we would expect in this day and age but if you forget.... they will turn off.

As for the cruise control: Works great! Hilly road, 5th gear, 45 mph. the motor and the cruise held the speed well. I was very impressed with this motorcycle overall. The motor had more power than I expected and the electronics are pretty nice. As you come up on the rpm's, a series of lights come up across the top of the display. Think F1. Pretty nice.

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on September 05, 2019, 03:23:18 PM
It's not much better here in the UK, albeit on a smaller scale. I have to travel 110 miles to my "local" dealer, which may seem small potatoes to you folks in larger countries, but Piagio are shooting themselves in the foot, as interest in this bike is so high.

Where I used to live it was 300 miles to the dealer.  Needles to say, after the first service, other than to fix a warranty issue, they never saw me again.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 05, 2019, 06:00:38 PM
Somewhere on one of these V85 threads, I made an inquiry regarding the self cancelling turn signals.

I had an opportunity to ride one during the Ohio rally and found out. They do in fact cancel eventually. It takes a good 40 or 45 seconds but they do stop. I think they act more as a "if you haven't done it by now, we'll stop it for you" sort of thing. Perhaps not as elegant as we would expect in this day and age but if you forget.... they will turn off.

As for the cruise control: Works great! Hilly road, 5th gear, 45 mph. the motor and the cruise held the speed well. I was very impressed with this motorcycle overall. The motor had more power than I expected and the electronics are pretty nice. As you come up on the rpm's, a series of lights come up across the top of the display. Think F1. Pretty nice.

John Henry

Apparently those amber lights that come on are the "time to shift" lights.  Again, something I'm not used to.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Speedysheep on September 05, 2019, 06:12:57 PM
Apparently those amber lights that come on are the "time to shift" lights.  Again, something I'm not used to.

You can adjust when they come on, so they're not so obtrusive.  I've got mine set to 7,000 so they only light up when I'm about to bounce off the rev-limiter.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: wyno on September 06, 2019, 01:52:41 AM
I went to the local dealership here in Oz and asked why that hadn't rung me for a test ride that I asked for about a month ago. I was told that they had got a demo bike in but it was taken home by one of the sales reps and he found something wrong with the gearbox and they wouldn't let it go out for rides with the box like that so they sent it back to the warehouse. Has any one heard about gearbox problems with the new V85?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 06, 2019, 02:02:42 AM
No, it most likely PS either needed it for a press purposes because a 'Journalist' trashed their press bike, they sold it to someone or they are just flat out lying.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: wyno on September 06, 2019, 05:54:30 AM
Thanks Pete. I hadn't heard anything bad about the gearbox. I t just seemed odd.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Pootle on September 06, 2019, 06:22:56 AM
It's not much better here in the UK, albeit on a smaller scale. I have to travel 110 miles to my "local" dealer, which may seem small potatoes to you folks in larger countries, but Piagio are shooting themselves in the foot, as interest in this bike is so high.
I felt peeved when my local dealer, 15 miles from home, stopped selling and serving Guzzis, leaving me with the option of travelling 40 miles south to Sheffield or 50 miles north to Thirsk. Fortunately, the mechanic from the local dealer set up a servicing business from home, 5 miles away.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on September 06, 2019, 09:27:22 AM
Given the relative dearth of the V85's underseat cargo (i.e. extended/comprehensive touring toolkit) capacity, have any current owners explored the possibility of permanently fixed alternatives?

Is there sufficient clearances for any of these alternatives?  Anybody tried it yet?  How have you mounted it: to pannier racks &/or frame?  Is there adequate width allowance when using Givi's proprietary racks/panniers?

https://www.givi.it/givi-products/motorbike-accessories/extra-cargo-accessories/s250-tool-box

I'm using the H&B C-bow mounts with H&B Orbit panniers.  The panniers are only 22 litres each, a pair of shoes will almost eat most of this space.  I have other panniers that will fit, but don't want to grow too wide.

The Givi tool box looks attractive if it can be mounted behind the C-bows somehow.  Anybody with any experience care to comment?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on September 06, 2019, 11:51:20 PM
I'm using the H&B C-bow mounts with H&B Orbit panniers.  The panniers are only 22 litres each, a pair of shoes will almost eat most of this space.  I have other panniers that will fit, but don't want to grow too wide.

The Givi tool box looks attractive if it can be mounted behind the C-bows somehow.  Anybody with any experience care to comment?

My daughter uses C-Bows/Orbits on her Nuda.  She uses a duffel slung over the pillion seat & tied down to the panniers/racks if touring capacity is required.  I assume that you'll be doing the same?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 07, 2019, 04:28:30 AM
See the made in writing on box, whodafunk it
(https://i.ibb.co/68Lg4QZ/B0-CB37-A6-AB37-4174-BD0-F-8-BEFD02-F760-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/68Lg4QZ)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on September 07, 2019, 06:56:52 AM
My daughter uses C-Bows/Orbits on her Nuda.  She uses a duffel slung over the pillion seat & tied down to the panniers/racks if touring capacity is required.  I assume that you'll be doing the same?

That's what I'm trying to avoid.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 07, 2019, 09:51:40 AM
I bought c bows and I am adapting givi 30 ltr mono key top box/panniers with female c bow carriers. If it doesn't feel secure I can revert to mono key, albeit with a few holes to fill. The c cow carriers seem pretty rigid and the alloy panniers are only 2kgish heavier than H & B soft cases. I am sure there are people who have overloaded there soft panniers without too much trouble? :shocked:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on September 07, 2019, 11:25:16 AM
'Made In Vietnam'.....heck, lots of manufacturing is moving to Vietnam due to the lower labor cost.  The Aerostich leather riding suit is made in Vietnam, has been for about 10 years.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 07, 2019, 03:17:34 PM
'Made In Vietnam'.....heck, lots of manufacturing is moving to Vietnam due to the lower labor cost.  The Aerostich leather riding suit is made in Vietnam, has been for about 10 years.
Of course, but doubt v85 owners were liking the lower labour cost content of their expensive Italian bikes
Aerostitch buyers prob not quite as passionate about brand and place of manufacture.
I still like them, should win mine tomorrow, then the angle grinder comes out, lose 100lbs and it’s a winner
Exhaust mod I showed in dello pics thread works, he kept cat, not slightly loud
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 08, 2019, 10:24:16 AM
Just a question re the front engine cover (alternator?). The alloy on mine is starting to discolour, so I assume there is no lacquer on it, is this the case? Not a problem, just wondered if mine had missed out.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 08, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
Guys,

Check the bolts holding the bash plate BRACKET to the sump.  There are 4, and you can access them through the 4 holes in the bottom of the bash plate.    During my first service, they were found to be very loose. Throw some Loctite on them.

Cam
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on September 08, 2019, 02:39:46 PM
Aerostitch buyers prob not quite as passionate about brand and place of manufacture.

I'd have to disagree with your assessment. Aerostitch has, in the past, made a big deal about the fact that their Roadcrafter suits were made in Duluth, MN.  A lot of their stuff features a US flag and Made in USA label.   When I got my Transit jacket I was surprised to see the Made in Vietnam label.  At the time the jacket retailed for about $1000 (mine was on sale, Guzzi content) so the lower labor cost got lost somewhere.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: azgeek on September 09, 2019, 03:08:03 PM
Guys,

Check the bolts holding the bash plate BRACKET to the sump.  There are 4, and you can access them through the 4 holes in the bottom of the bash plate.    During my first service, they were found to be very loose. Throw some Loctite on them.

Cam

+1 on that recommendation.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 09, 2019, 03:39:37 PM
I checked mine a week or two ago. One missing the others loose!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 12, 2019, 08:25:26 AM
Re: bolts, mine were tight.

Wheel bounce update: The original Anakee front tire/wheel had a significant bounce centered around 35 mph.  Others had gotten rid of the bounce by replacing the front tire.  I installed a Shinko 705 after adding 10 grams of weight to balance the wheel without tire/tube.  I had to add another 35 grams to balance the tire/tube.   There's still a slight, but noticeable bounce at the same speed.

Suspension settings:  My front suspension was not very compliant compared to the pre-production test bike I rode.  I've ended up with the stock pre-load on the fork with 13 clicks CCW rebound.  And, what made a big difference was going to the 3rd step on the rear shock pre-load and 1.5 turns CCW on the rebound setting.  The fork action is now much more compliant -- additional miles on the seals has probably helped some too.  1050+ miles now.  Rider weight w/gear 215 - 220# + top box only.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on September 13, 2019, 01:03:55 PM
Have any of you guys that have one had a chance to see if the factory did not properly grease the swing arm / steering head bearings, or if they have the crappy plug caps?  I'm seriously looking at one and want to get those issues addressed up front if necessary.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pyoungbl on September 13, 2019, 02:22:55 PM
In terms of grease on the swingarm bearings, the small blocks (at least my V7) are not as crippled by this problem as the CARC bikes.  I say this because the basic design is so different. 
  The CARC bikes have an axle going from one side of the bike, through a swingarm leg, through the tranny case, then through the other swingarm leg.  The tranny case itself has the axle exposed so on each side of the case there is a grease seal.  Further, the axle rides on a pair of tapered roller bearings.  When those seals fail water gets into the bearings and you get rust, which leads to bearing failure. 
  The small block setup uses stub axles that go into blind holes in the tranny case.  Yes there is a bearing in each hole but it's a sealed bearing.  I suspect you could carefully back out the stub axles one at a time and slather in a bit of grease just to feel better, then reinstall and move to the other side.  At any rate, this swingarm issue does not seem to plague the small blocks like it did the CARC bikes...IMHO.
     Take a look at the V85 parts list at AF1, you will see the stub axles I'm talking about.

Peter Y.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on September 13, 2019, 05:15:24 PM
Close, but no quite Peter.

On the CARC bikes and Cali 14's the swingarm bearings are tapered rollers that sit in the frame. The frame has seals on the inner sides of the two 'Down posts' for want of a better term and the outer edge of the wide end of the cone of the tapered roller bearing itself also has a seal that seals into the frame recess just outboard of the outer race of the bearing. The swingarm spindle is inserted from the left, through the left hand yoke of the swingarm casting, through the bearing in the left hand 'Down post' then trough open air before slipping through the bearing in the right hand 'Down post' and finally screwing tightly into the right hand yoke of the swingarm. The bearings are preloaded bu means of a castellated collar that screws onto the swingarm spindle from the left hand end. Once the preload has been set the two pinch bolts on the left hand yoke of the swingarm can be nipped up to prevent the collar loosening and allowing the bearings to loose their preload.

At no point does the swingarm spindle pass through any part of the gearbox/'Transmission' and the system is able to use a spindle because the gearbox output shaft and Cardan assembly sits 'Outboard' of the bearings on the right hand side of the bike.

On the small blocks the swingarm bearings are 2RS ball races that are mounted in the casting of the back of the gearbox and the cardan shaft  sits inboard of the right hand bearing. This obviously prevents the use of a spindle as it would have to pass through the rotating shaft. The way that problem is overcome is in the 'Traditional' way of using two threaded stub axles that screw into either the frame or the side plates, (I'm not sure which on the V85 as I haven't looked yet but my guess would be the frame.). Using the threads as a vernier adjustment the preload can be applied to the bearings and the cardan shaft's front Hookes coupling aligned accurately with the output shaft although this is less important with the V85, (And possibly V9?) as the shaft has two Hookes couplings and a substantial lateral offset to enable the figment of modern tyre profiles and extend the life of the shaft, at least that's what I presume? The stub axles, once adjusted, are locked with lock nuts to prevent them loosening.

Both systems have advantages and disadvantages.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on September 13, 2019, 06:07:25 PM

On the small blocks the swingarm bearings are 2RS ball races that are mounted in the casting of the back of the gearbox and the cardan shaft  sits inboard of the right hand bearing.

Pete

After you reported the lack of grease on the big block tapered bearings Pete I inspected the 2RS bearings on the Breva and found the quite notchy.  My bearing man said he thought it strange that Guzzi used a ball bearing in that situation as the movement in the bearing itself is very small.

Now when I do a tire on the rear I pop the driveshaft, lube the splines and also pop the seal on those 2RS bearings, make sure they have plenty of grease and spin them so the balls are at least in a different position.  The seals just clip straight back in and with a heap of grease behind them I find I have not had any problems with water ingress, and to date they still now spin freely with no play.

Not sure that it is of much benefit but it can't do any harm and there is certainly not more gease floating around that they originally had.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on September 14, 2019, 08:07:26 AM
Just back from a 9 day 2,300 mile jaunt around Europe on the V85.  Some great riding through 7 countries and over the Vrsic / Pordoi / Sella / Timmelsjoch / Fern passes.  Regarding the V85 it covered the distance without fault.  I did have a problem with charging my Samsung phone from the USB port after several hours of intense rain, but further investigation revealed re-setting the phone software cured the issue.  Otherwise no problems, no loose bolts and no leaking cardan.  It does use some oil though.  I had to add half a litre in Slovenia and of course could not find 10W60, so had to top up with 10W40.  Mind you, the temperatures were pretty low so I can't see this being an issue.
Overall fuel consumption was 60 mpg (Imperial), but cruising above 75 mph greatly increased consumption.  At 85 mph (where my engine is much smoother) it was more like 40 mpg.
I bought a Touring screen before the trip, which converted the high level of laminar airflow experienced with the standard screen to high intensity buffeting, whatever the setting.  Adding a Puig deflector to the top of the screen I finally found a sweet spot to eliminate the buffeting.
The whole chassis is really excellent.  Brakes and suspension absolutely first class and the handling on the passes was better than my previous touring bikes (GS1200LC and Tiger 800).  The panniers are well designed and good quality.
Downsides? Apart from the clacky change through the lower gears, really only a lack of power for overtaking.  Top gear throttle response is pretty feeble and it was necessary to drop two gears in order to make overtaking safe.  The Tiger 800 would make the same maneuvre in top gear.
Overall though, after 3,800 miles I'm pretty impressed with the V85.

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 14, 2019, 09:19:03 AM
Glawster,

Thanks for your ride report.  Sounds like a fun trip with beautiful scenery.   

A question regarding the V85 touring screen and your height and inseam measurement.   I'm running the stock screen with an MRA Touring wing similar to the Puig.   I've been considering going to the taller touring screen but for $250 I'd want to be sure that I wouldn't get a worse result.   I'm 6' 1/2" with a 32" inseam.
Thanks,
John
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 14, 2019, 09:20:14 AM
Speaking of windshields, has anyone tried the CalSci offering?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jpv7 on September 14, 2019, 09:36:25 AM
Have any of you guys that have one had a chance to see if the factory did not properly grease the swing arm / steering head bearings, or if they have the crappy plug caps?  I'm seriously looking at one and want to get those issues addressed up front if necessary.
i was wondering about that myself.  Staying tuned for the verdict on plug caps and fuel filter...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on September 14, 2019, 10:13:12 AM
i was wondering about that myself.  Staying tuned for the verdict on plug caps and fuel filter...

Talking about plug caps, and more importantly the spark plugs themselves, anyone been able to buy the NGK IR MR8BI-8 spark plugs at their local dealer?  Weren't available when I was in New Zealand, so I thought I might try sourcing some in the USA while I'm here.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on September 14, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
Glawster,

Thanks for your ride report.  Sounds like a fun trip with beautiful scenery.   

A question regarding the V85 touring screen and your height and inseam measurement.   I'm running the stock screen with an MRA Touring wing similar to the Puig.   I've been considering going to the taller touring screen but for $250 I'd want to be sure that I wouldn't get a worse result.   I'm 6' 1/2" with a 32" inseam.
Thanks,
John

John,
I also first tried the deflector on the standard screen and found a big improvement.  For me, the taller screen without the deflector gave little advantage over this setup.  It needed the tall screen and the deflector.  So to answer your question, I'm not sure you'd feel your $250 was well spent.  I'm 5'10".
Cheers,
Derek
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 14, 2019, 01:47:48 PM
Thanks for the feedback, Derek
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on September 14, 2019, 02:22:43 PM
Just back from a 9 day 2,300 mile jaunt around Europe on the V85.  Some great riding through 7 countries and over the Vrsic / Pordoi / Sella / Timmelsjoch / Fern passes.  Regarding the V85 it covered the distance without fault.  I did have a problem with charging my Samsung phone from the USB port after several hours of intense rain, but further investigation revealed re-setting the phone software cured the issue.  Otherwise no problems, no loose bolts and no leaking cardan.  It does use some oil though.  I had to add half a litre in Slovenia and of course could not find 10W60, so had to top up with 10W40.  Mind you, the temperatures were pretty low so I can't see this being an issue.
Overall fuel consumption was 60 mpg (Imperial), but cruising above 75 mph greatly increased consumption.  At 85 mph (where my engine is much smoother) it was more like 40 mpg.
I bought a Touring screen before the trip, which converted the high level of laminar airflow experienced with the standard screen to high intensity buffeting, whatever the setting.  Adding a Puig deflector to the top of the screen I finally found a sweet spot to eliminate the buffeting.
The whole chassis is really excellent.  Brakes and suspension absolutely first class and the handling on the passes was better than my previous touring bikes (GS1200LC and Tiger 800).  The panniers are well designed and good quality.
Downsides? Apart from the clacky change through the lower gears, really only a lack of power for overtaking.  Top gear throttle response is pretty feeble and it was necessary to drop two gears in order to make overtaking safe.  The Tiger 800 would make the same maneuvre in top gear.
Overall though, after 3,800 miles I'm pretty impressed with the V85.

I've just wrapped up a similar trip (3800 miles across the Western U.S.) and have the same conclusions as you.  My V85 did use some oil on one long fast run and I too felt the need to downshift for passing unlike my Stelvio but it was an easy adjustment to make.  I'd say the one thing My V85 does that I have yet to hear anyone else talk about is that sometimes it won't click into 6th gear when I upshift.  Never any other gear change and never with any consistency but enough times to make me think it isn't my shifting abilities but something else.  It will be a hard thing to get the shop to look at since it cannot be repeated and always takes me by surprise.  I'll mention it to the shop so they have a record of my finding in case something goes wrong in the future.  Love the bike though and I found the stock seat very comfortable for all of my ride.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Various-Photos/i-Fm8frkX/0/857b2846/X2/IMG_20190907_161710-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on September 14, 2019, 05:37:20 PM
I have only used the tall screen.  Just put a MRA X creen Sport knock off ($35.00) on two days ago.  Noticeable improvement for me.  I just came in from a ride and was playing with the setting.  So far I am happiest with the initial position that I set it.  I would say it decreases noise by at least 60%.  I find that having the screen parallel to or one click more vertical to the bike screen works best for me.  Flattening the screen was the  wrong direction to go.  I have it about 2.5 -3.0  inches above the existing bike screen.  I am 6'0",  30 inch inseam, wear a Scorpion full face with ear plugs.  Everybody is so different in what works for them.  In general, this is a worthwhile investment.  Will still experiment to find the best setting but my gut feeling is my initial setting will probably be it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 14, 2019, 06:17:02 PM
How does the seat stack up on long rides ?
It’s about the only thing that I wondered about on my (short) rides.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 14, 2019, 06:19:32 PM
Tommy2cyl,
Thanks-- I'd guess our upper body length is about the same so it may work for me too.   Just an observation.  I tried one of the Chinese knock offs of the MRA Touring Screen -- no where near the quality and at higher speeds it won't hold it's adjustment -- I've been using the official MRA's for many years and will not buy another Chinese copy.  As always, YMMV.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on September 14, 2019, 07:53:19 PM
NWrider.  I was/am curious  about the quality/longevity/performance of the product.  I have had it up to 80 mph and it was rock solid but that is not the same as running at speed hour after hour.  I am taking a five day trip mid October so will see how it fares.  In static observation it seems firmly locked. Product seems to be well made.  If I only get a year out of it but proves to me it is worthwhile,  I will pony up for the MRA.  I have a friend that has the MRA that is riding with me on the trip, so I will compare his to mine in workmanship and ultimately performance.  Thanks for the feedback.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 14, 2019, 09:43:37 PM
It may be that there are more than one Chinese manufacturers and the quality may differ.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on September 15, 2019, 12:31:58 AM
How does the seat stack up on long rides ?
It’s about the only thing that I wondered about on my (short) rides.

I find the stock seat very comfortable even during all day rides, there was that guy in England who did a youtube video where he did some 19 hour ride or something and he hated the seat so I guess opinions vary.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 15, 2019, 02:21:58 AM
I find the stock seat very comfortable even during all day rides, there was that guy in England who did a youtube video where he did some 19 hour ride or something and he hated the seat so I guess opinions vary.
That’s the one I just watched and prompted me to ask on the subject.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on September 15, 2019, 03:21:58 AM
How does the seat stack up on long rides ?
It’s about the only thing that I wondered about on my (short) rides.

I found it average Pete, - my bum was going numb after a couple of hours.  But to be honest that's probably me.  I did find the Tiger 800 saddle better, but it was some kind of comfort gel job.
What did surprise me was at modest speed the fuel range is enormous.  First time I've done 300 miles between fill ups.  I was trying to avoid buying fuel in Italy as over the Timmelsjoch in Austria it's 40 cents/litre cheaper.  Going up the Italian side of the pass the range was at 20 miles, then suddenly just two horizontal lines!!  I crept up to the top and thought at least it's downhill into Austria.  Did another 15 miles to the first fuel station.  Onto the centre stand and fill to the brim.  Still only 20 litres added so there must have been quite a bit left.
Perhaps someone would try carrying a fuel can and running to bone dry to see how long it takes!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 15, 2019, 03:47:07 AM
I found it average Pete, - my bum was going numb after a couple of hours.
Perhaps someone would try carrying a fuel can and running to bone dry to see how long it takes!
Yep..
I reckon SOMEONE will Derek.. :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 15, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
I find the stock seat very comfortable even during all day rides, there was that guy in England who did a youtube video where he did some 19 hour ride or something and he hated the seat so I guess opinions vary.

EVERYBODY's ass will not be happy after 1000 miles in 19 hours.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on September 17, 2019, 02:27:33 PM

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I bought some H&B CBows for my bike, planning on adding the receivers to my Givi DLM30b pannier/top boxes. I tried one but it was obviously going to overload the CBow mount. They are fine for soft panniers but not for alloy ones. (THESE ARE NOW FOR SALE WITH THE FEMALE RECIEVERS for customising your own soft bags) They hide away really nicely.

I have now bought Givi PLOR8203MK pannier racks which are superb! Not only can you remove the panniers in seconds, but you can also remove the racks too - in literally 10 seconds! They are attached with clever twist fastenings and can be locked on should you choose to.

My panniers can be used as a top box so I can just use one on the top if I choose, or I can use my big Givi which I can get two helmets in, with panniers for serious carrying capacity. There is an indicator repositioning kit, including wiring too should you need it with your choice of panniers. They are MonoKey by the way.

I am really pleased with this set up as there is no visual clutter at all, if you remove the racks. (in 10 seconds!)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 17, 2019, 04:29:53 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 18, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
i just got the v85 back from cadre from the 1st service at 1,800 miles.  i also had one of the bad front michelin tires and they replaced it under warranty.  much calmer ride, still noisy however so don't think i will go with these when it is time for new.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 20, 2019, 09:53:29 AM
I received a CalSci extra large windshield yesterday.   Initial test ride was disappointing.  More turbulence and noise than the stock screen with an MRA touring wing.   I look over the top of the windshield by about 2" with an Air Hawk + Alaska leather sheepskin.   Angled all the way back was best with any forward tilt making the turbulence worse.   I've added the MRA wing to the top and am still making adjustments but have gotten some improvement at the expense of having to look through the top of the wing.  The CalSci XL extends 15" above the top mounting holes.
(https://i.ibb.co/DQzmCnk/Cal-Sci-XL-MRA-touring-wing.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DQzmCnk)


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 20, 2019, 10:11:16 AM
nwrider:  thanks for posting this as it will be getting cold here and i was thinking of this option soon.  i have a wing as well. please keep us updated with your progress.  thanks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 20, 2019, 01:53:36 PM
I'll get to check the CalSci + MRA touring wing out on a longer ride tomorrow going to the Oregon Guzzi Club breakfast - about a 1 1/2 hr ride each way for me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on September 20, 2019, 11:35:56 PM
Anybody fit a throttle tamer?

If you add larger diameter grips for more leverage to ease throttle effort, it might make the throttle action too quick.  I had this problem when I added different grips to my Ducati Scrambler which happened to be noticeably larger in diameter than the stock units.  This made the transition from on throttle to off throttle and back very abrupt.  The throttle tamer really helped out.  If I buy a V85TT and the throttle is as stiff as everyone says, I'll need wider grips to help this and that may necessitate a throttle tamer but since the website doesn't show fitment for a Moto Guzzi V85TT, yet, maybe someone here has tried one.

NC
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: decotriumph on September 23, 2019, 05:50:21 PM
I apologize if this has been answered but I did a search and also read at least 15 pages of this merged thread and didn't find the answer. Has anyone actually gone from a Stelvio NTX to a V85TT that can give some comparison on the ergonomics, specifically the legroom? I'm 6'2" tall, 34" inseam. My biggest issue on motorcycle fit is always legroom (seat to pegs and hip & knee angle). My 2014 Stelvio (now sold) fit me pretty well. I'm thinking of getting a V85. Thanks
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 23, 2019, 06:07:29 PM
I apologize if this has been answered but I did a search and also read at least 15 pages of this merged thread and didn't find the answer. Has anyone actually gone from a Stelvio NTX to a V85TT that can give some comparison on the ergonomics, specifically the legroom? I'm 6'2" tall, 34" inseam. My biggest issue on motorcycle fit is always legroom (seat to pegs and hip & knee angle). My 2014 Stelvio (now sold) fit me pretty well. I'm thinking of getting a V85. Thanks

There's a taller seat available.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 23, 2019, 06:10:31 PM
Speaking of windshields, has anyone tried the CalSci offering?

Saw one on another V85 last weekend.  The finish looked like crap.  Edged were cut uneven and not even polished.  Looks like a kid made it with a jigsaw.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on September 23, 2019, 09:15:33 PM
The Calsci I put on my Norge also was rather rough and not well polished on the edge.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on September 23, 2019, 09:17:09 PM
I had a chance to ride my V85 on a trip then immediately take my Norge on another trip. I really prefer the V85 over the Norge. The Norge has more power but the handling was sooooo slow compared to the nimble V85. I can see if they build a sport tourer based on this current engine and frame it will be in my garage. Did I tell you I really like the new bike?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 24, 2019, 06:04:56 AM
Trials: I am regularly amazed at how well mine corners.  At 2,200 miles, I think I have discerned the character of the bike - no drama.  It is so easy to ride and I have yet to find a curve that has caused me to panic.  On the 1400, that was not unknown.  I think this bike has you sitting high and forward so your visibility is good and the wide bar seems to let you instantly translate what you see into what your muscles need to do to get you through.  I find myself going far quicker but with less drama through familiar curves, then there is the suspension to save you from any surprises you find in the turn.  Great fun.  While those who are looking forward to the sport standard version will enjoy the great engine and running gear and it will be a fine machine, by its nature of being lower, less suspension travel and narrow bar, it will not have that same ease the v85 has.  Of course, bring it on Guzzi and prove me wrong.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 24, 2019, 06:14:05 PM
Well, I've ridden over 200 miles with the new CalSci XL + MRA Touring Wing and I think I've got it adjusted to the best the combination can be -- good/acceptable but not great.   It's good up to 60-65 mph as long as the air you're moving through is relatively calm.  Here's what it looks like from the side.(Ignore the windshield on my FJR in the background)
(https://i.ibb.co/w4dk6DZ/Cal-Sci-XL-MRA-touring-wing-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w4dk6DZ)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 24, 2019, 06:32:10 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/L8kx0FG/First-trans-bevel-box-gear-oil-change-1665-miles.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L8kx0FG)
Today I drained and refilled the trans and bevel box at 1665 miles.  A little bit of paste on the bevel box plug and quite a bit more (to be expected) on the trans plug.   No visible metal particles on the bevel box and only a few very small whiskers on the trans.    Others have posted concerns with the amount of oil to put in the bevel box.   I carefully measured out 160 cc of 75w140 wt but it didn't rise to the fill hole threads (probably lost 10cc or so from spillage trying to use a small funnel to get it in).  I put it on the center stand and filled it until it was just visible inside using a flashlight -- then I rode 15 miles and checked again -- it was below the threads, so it probably took another 10 -15cc to fill so it just came out over the threads.   Doing it that way, I'd guess I put in between 160 - 170 cc.   

BTW I used tin foil under the trans drain plug forming an edge on three sides about 1/2 inch high and didn't fully remove the fill plug to slow the flow.  I also tilted the bike by shimming the left side of the center stand so the oil would flow to the side.  Didn't spill a drop -- but it's a pain to do.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on September 26, 2019, 04:31:47 PM
As reported over on ADVrider the official MG heated grips are available to be ordered over at AF1 Racing.  Pricey at $265 U.S. but I decided to get them nonetheless.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on September 26, 2019, 07:04:08 PM
I will post this here and on ADV.  I decided to make the howling noise go away by getting rid of the front tire.  While I was there I figured I would convert both tires to tubeless.  While I had the front tire off, I decided to take out a little compression damping.  Since there is no adjustment I replaced the 7.5wt fork oil with 5wt.  While I had the forks off, I decided to adapt the PDHS anti-vibe handlebar setup from the KTM 990.  While I was working on the top triple clamp, and knowing Guzzi is notorious for skimping on grease, I decided to check the headset bearings.  This is what I found:


(https://i.ibb.co/1bf5Jqd/IMG-6112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1bf5Jqd)

(https://i.ibb.co/mbMM8mc/IMG-6111.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mbMM8mc)


In all fairness there was a LITTLE grease in there.  It might be a good idea to check yours and pack it with real grease.  I used the Bel-Ray waterproof type.  While I was regreasing the headset bearings.........Do you see a pattern here?  I now will take apart the swing arm as I am sure there will be little, if any grease.  Looks like I will not be riding this weekend.  Oh well, everyone knows owning a Guzzi is a love / hate relationship.


(https://i.ibb.co/1qpszF3/IMG-6113.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1qpszF3)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on September 26, 2019, 07:27:44 PM
The heated grips do not have to be Guzzi. Several months ago I used some ones I had on the shelf and just changed the connector ends. Molex connector, one of the 1625 series 0.062” type. The mate looks to be part number 03062023, old part number 1625-2P1. You’ll need to get the male crimp pins separately. It was a plug and play from there. The wires are under the right forward part of the tank and once connected, the CPU recognizes them and you have three position control plus off using the stock button and see on the TFT.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 27, 2019, 06:24:43 PM
FWIW, I just heard from AF1-racing that the OEM V85 heated grips are on backorder and won't be shipped from Italy for 2-3 weeks.  I cancelled my order and will look at alternatives in the meantime.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 28, 2019, 03:03:51 AM
Thank you Trialsman.
Forewarned is forearmed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on September 28, 2019, 08:10:25 AM
This has probably been covered already in these 70 some odd pages but wg doesn’t have an advanced search function so I’m going to ask here.  What kind of mpg and range numbers are you guys getting with the new bikes?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: John Croucher on September 28, 2019, 09:41:18 AM
This has probably been covered already in these 70 some odd pages but wg doesn’t have an advanced search function so I’m going to ask here.  What kind of mpg and range numbers are you guys getting with the new bikes?

Brian, head to the Kentucky rally today for a demo ride.  I road the TT yesterday.  Going to give it another ride today. Really fun bike. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Speedysheep on September 28, 2019, 10:51:14 AM
This has probably been covered already in these 70 some odd pages but wg doesn’t have an advanced search function so I’m going to ask here.  What kind of mpg and range numbers are you guys getting with the new bikes?

Been getting 47 mpg almost every tank. Theoretical range of about 280 miles, but I usually fill up around 200.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on September 28, 2019, 12:23:02 PM
So far in 1700 miles I've had a low of 51 and a high of 60 mpg with the average right at 55 mpg -- hand calculated.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on September 28, 2019, 12:42:08 PM
Just done a European trip of 2,300 miles.  Overall just over 60 mpg (Imperial Gallons).  Fantastic economy on slow roads in the Alps where I covered 300 miles on a tank.  Economy takes a real dive over 75mph.  At 85 mph cruising I was getting 42 mpg.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on September 28, 2019, 04:01:40 PM
Brian, head to the Kentucky rally today for a demo ride.  I road the TT yesterday.  Going to give it another ride today. Really fun bike.

Thanks for the invite, my friend but I’m too embarrassed to show up in the car  :grin: and I ain’t driving bikes  again YET.   :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 28, 2019, 06:05:22 PM
Just done a European trip of 2,300 miles.  Overall just over 60 mpg (Imperial Gallons).  Fantastic economy on slow roads in the Alps where I covered 300 miles on a tank.  Economy takes a real dive over 75mph.  At 85 mph cruising I was getting 42 mpg.
Careful on my second bike there Derek..
I don’t mind you riding it, but please don’t get it dirty.. :grin:
I’ve got about 3 weeks to go. I picked up my panniers, top box, engine bars and centrestand yesterday.
The Ohlins shock will be here soon, now all all I need is the damn bike..!
’Went out on the Norge again for the first time yesterday since Europe...Lovely.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on October 01, 2019, 02:14:34 AM
Blimey Peter, your still waiting for your bike to arrive?  I hope it meets you expectations when it finally does land.  I finally saw another red one on the road in Cortina, Italy.  A young German guy, touring with his girlfriend.  His first Guzzi and he was very happy with it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48825416142_2f01bf6d80_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hox2aG)DSC_1669 (https://flic.kr/p/2hox2aG) by Derek Wardell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154993838@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 01, 2019, 05:53:00 AM
Blimey Peter, your still waiting for your bike to arrive?  I hope it meets you expectations when it finally does land.  I finally saw another red one on the road in Cortina, Italy.  A young German guy, touring with his girlfriend.  His first Guzzi and he was very happy with it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48825416142_2f01bf6d80_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hox2aG)DSC_1669 (https://flic.kr/p/2hox2aG) by Derek Wardell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154993838@N08/), on Flickr
Oh I will be, Derek.
I could have had a R Mc D one or a Franz Belgium replica red/white one, both would have been ok, but yours is the Dog’s.
I’m happy to wait, I have all the goodies ready in the shed in the form of panniers, top box, engine bars and centrestand.
The Ohlins will be here soon.... :clock: :bike-037:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on October 01, 2019, 01:37:08 PM
I have the R Mac d, but I must say that red looks terrific.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on October 01, 2019, 03:40:26 PM
I might have been tempted if the red or blue ones were available in the U.S. but the grey one is a non-starter for me.  Plus I feel the $1000 upcharge for the luggage is worth it for the Sahara and Kalahari models.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 01, 2019, 10:01:12 PM
I have the R Mac d, but I must say that red looks terrific.
If I’d got the R Mc D version, I would have immediately had the yellow changed to Italian dark green and had it like Beetle’s photo shopped one...
Check it out..

(https://i.ibb.co/sRnqFnC/488-B291-C-B3-EA-4-D7-E-84-C8-505286949-A2-A.png) (https://ibb.co/sRnqFnC)

Nothing wrong with any of them IMO.... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on October 02, 2019, 07:50:43 AM
Just FWIW, the color everyone seems to equate with Mic D's is supposed to pay homage to the 1985 Paris Dakar bike. See the pics in the link below:
http://www.parisdakar.it/en/moto-guzzi-v65-tt-1985/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0

I suppose everyone will refer to it however they want, but I figure it is worth knowing its roots since it was not conceived while eating a Big Mac. Cheers. :boozing:

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 02, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
Just FWIW, the color everyone seems to equate with Mic D's is supposed to pay homage to the 1985 Paris Dakar bike. See the pics in the link below:
http://www.parisdakar.it/en/moto-guzzi-v65-tt-1985/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0

I suppose everyone will refer to it however they want, but I figure it is worth knowing its roots since it was not conceived while eating a Big Mac. Cheers. :boozing:

John Henry
Yeah I think most of us were across that John.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on October 02, 2019, 02:31:02 PM
I too was aware of that, but I fear it will always be the MacDonalds bike........ and me a vegetarian!  :undecided:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on October 02, 2019, 03:01:55 PM
TECHNICAL COMMUNICATION G_190781_TC_EN                                                                            30/08/2019
Model: Moto Guzzi V85TT and V9

Dear Dealer / Service Centre,
In response to a number of cases of oil escaping from the transmission reported by the service network, Moto Guzzi has decided to implement and publish a number of changes to the Service Station Manual and Use and Maintenance Manual of the aforementioned vehicles.

Please note the following matters in particular:
1. The procedure to check the transmission oil level during predelivery preparation and inspection of the vehicle has been eliminated and MUST NOT be performed.
2. The transmission oil must now ONLY be changed at 30,000 km intervals, together with the other activities planned for the respective service (see operations described in the Service Station Manual and the chapter 'Maintenance' of the Use and Maintenance Manual);
3. The only method now permitted for checking (indirectly) and topping up the oil level is to drain all the oil from the drain plug and then refill via the filler plug with the oil drained, adding, if required, the quantity of oil necessary to reach a total of 160 cc , which must not be exceeded (see point 4). NO other methods for checking the oil level are permitted.
NO topping up is permitted without following the aforementioned procedure, as simply topping up without draining the oil cannot ensure that the quantity of oil effectively in the transmission is correct, and may lead to the following problems:

 An excessive quantity of lubricant oil in the transmission may cause oil to overflow from the breather valve and foul other parts of the vehicle, such as the rear tyre.
4. The revised quantity of oil for filling the transmission indicated in the Service Station Manual and Use and Maintenance Manual is now 160 cc.
The revised quantity is lower than the nominal fill value indicated previously of 180 cc., as it is applicable for filling the transmission after draining in the event of an oil change (where some lubricant oil will still remain in the transmission case after draining).
5. Where it is necessary to replace the complete transmission casing with a new component received from the spare parts department, the new transmission will be received already run-in in the factory and will therefore also contain a small quantity of residual oil. Proceed as follows:
   a) Install the new transmission on the vehicle
   b) Remove the filler and drain plugs and allow the residual oil in the transmission to drain for at least 5 minutes.
   c) Clean the surrounding area and then fit and tighten the drain plug to the specified torque, using a new gasket; fill the transmission with precisely 160 cc of oil via the filler plug orifice.
   d) Fit and tighten the filler plug to the specified torque, using a new gasket.
   e) Fit the new breather valve. If the transmission casing is received with the breather valve already installed, remove the valve, blow with compressed air to remove any residual oil, and then refit the breather valve correctly.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on October 02, 2019, 03:34:49 PM
Timely post, I had seen some posts saying that MG had changed the amount to 160cc and  I just recently changed mine.  Drained over night, checked fill hole for level, rode for 15 miles and checked again and added a few more cc.  I've ridden about 100 miles since with no evidence of an overfill issue.   I've added the latest info to my V85 files -- THANKS.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 02, 2019, 04:04:31 PM
Timely post, I had seen some posts saying that MG had changed the amount to 160cc and  I just recently changed mine.  Drained over night, checked fill hole for level, rode for 15 miles and checked again and added a few more cc.  I've ridden about 100 miles since with no evidence of an overfill issue.   I've added the latest info to my V85 files -- THANKS.
Damn right.. :bow: :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 02, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
Just FWIW, the color everyone seems to equate with Mic D's is supposed to pay homage to the 1985 Paris Dakar bike. See the pics in the link below:
http://www.parisdakar.it/en/moto-guzzi-v65-tt-1985/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0

I suppose everyone will refer to it however they want, but I figure it is worth knowing its roots since it was not conceived while eating a Big Mac. Cheers. :boozing:

John Henry
Jeez, lucky it wasn’t conceived while he was eating a hot dog.
We could “dine out” with quippy comments on that one..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on October 02, 2019, 11:50:46 PM
30,000 km's seems a long time to leave the original oil in place.  Good thing we have these sources of info since I'll be doing my own changes (actually already changed out the pumpkin oil and added 180 ml per the manual so I'll be draining and re-filling with 160 ml shortly, no sign of leaking on my bike) and never would have seen the change without reading the forums.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on October 03, 2019, 09:47:59 AM
Jeez, lucky it wasn’t conceived while he was eating a hot dog.
We could “dine out” with quippy comments on that one..!

Good one! :grin:

Speaking of which, Luigi was eating an Oscar Meyer hod dog one day in 1997. He looked at his buddy and exclaimed, "Thisa be a nicea color for next years EV, what you thinka Guido?" We'll call it hot dog and mustard... :evil:

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on October 03, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
Timely post, I had seen some posts saying that MG had changed the amount to 160cc and  I just recently changed mine.  Drained over night, checked fill hole for level, rode for 15 miles and checked again and added a few more cc.  I've ridden about 100 miles since with no evidence of an overfill issue.   I've added the latest info to my V85 files -- THANKS.

 Well thats wrong. 
-You drain it all
- put 160cc in it and ready, no top up. Come back after 30.000km. Lot of cars never change gear oil these days.  One reason I could think of for changing more early is when you think there is water in the oil.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on October 03, 2019, 08:00:28 PM
Well thats wrong. 
-You drain it all
- put 160cc in it and ready, no top up. Come back after 30.000km. Lot of cars never change gear oil these days.  One reason I could think of for changing more early is when you think there is water in the oil.

I think the tech communication uses pretty clear English, the only method permitted , use of NO etc
Well done Guzzi, no ambiguity at all, not a design problem
If this is the only issue, it’s a pretty mute one
Not so happy about point #5
Hope they haven’t been sending out drive boxes to replace overfilled ones, bit wasteful if they have.
Re water ingress, no doubt someone will vent them to remote catch tank, that might solve the overfill worry too
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on October 04, 2019, 07:56:23 PM
The heated grips do not have to be Guzzi. Several months ago I used some ones I had on the shelf and just changed the connector ends.

Are you able to advise what manufacturer your installed heated grips are?  More importantly, what is the cold resistance of each grip?

I've just fitted some el cheapo resistive wraparounds imported from China.  They measure 13 ohms and 15 ohms (tight manufacturing tolerances!).  I put the 13 ohm one on the left and the 15 version one on the throttle, as the throttle is less thermally connected to the handlebar in an attempt to make them more even.  Together they're drawing 1.4 amps when warm.

Connected directly across the battery, they are just warm, I can't see me running them any other mode than full (or off).  They'll suffice until I can find something better.

If anyone can measure the cold resistance of the factory grips, I would greatly appreciate it.  It will give me an idea how far I can push it without destroying the dashboard or whatever drives the heated grips using the terminals provided on the bike.  Thanks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on October 04, 2019, 09:07:12 PM
I think the tech communication uses pretty clear English, the only method permitted , use of NO etc
Well done Guzzi, no ambiguity at all

I hope nobody fills their transmission with 160 cc of lubricant.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on October 04, 2019, 09:53:47 PM
I hope nobody fills their transmission with 160 cc of lubricant.

That one more to do with colonial hacking of English language. Gearbox translates really well in all euro languages, ie box of speeds in frog,
Transmission is a only confusing if merkan is native language, specially translated instructions should be available.

Bit like bathroom, in English this is the room with a bath in it.
Recently rediscovered why the toilet should not be in the bathroom (I was in the bath)
No idea how anyone ever thought that was a good idea.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on October 04, 2019, 10:08:27 PM
The conventional English language terms worldwide are gearbox and rear drive unit.  Better if conventional terms were used by Piaggio. Transmission does not mean rear drive unit anywhere in the world. I was not BTW taught English in the United States.

I’m well versed in Italian-glish, to the extent that ‘Carter’ used to mean engine block goes almost unnoticed.  Since its not an Italian based word, Italians tend to believe we know what they’re talking about.  Wrongly, for most people.  Same with distribution in English for cam drive, it’s a ‘false friend’ derived from distribuzione in Italian.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on October 04, 2019, 11:35:45 PM
The conventional English language terms worldwide are gearbox and rear drive unit.  Better if conventional terms were used by Piaggio. Transmission does not mean rear drive unit anywhere in the world. I was not BTW taught English in the United States.

I’m well versed in Italian-glish, to the extent that ‘Carter’ used to mean engine block goes almost unnoticed.  Since its not an Italian based word, Italians tend to believe we know what they’re talking about.  Wrongly, for most people.  Same with distribution in English for cam drive, it’s a ‘false friend’ derived from distribuzione in Italian.
Never heard unit for it, I’ve been around too
Drive box or db
Rear drive box

Best is ridiculous “diff”
But it certainly transmits . I can get that
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on October 05, 2019, 07:41:03 AM
How about "bevel  box" - :laugh:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on October 05, 2019, 01:37:28 PM
I use pumpkin.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 10, 2019, 11:07:10 PM
Well I moved one step closer today.
Got a call from my “dealer” and the Rosso Vulcano V85 has arrived on Aussie dirt. About 1-2 weeks and I’ll be able to bolt this on.

(https://i.ibb.co/1qDDQgB/EF47-D2-DF-D528-419-C-B4-F7-C511683-EAFD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1qDDQgB)

Should go well on one of these..!

(https://i.ibb.co/hdZ2h6C/05-BDED6-C-9028-461-E-90-B1-438459-D9-F6-FE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hdZ2h6C)

Then it’s off with the bash plate, off with the wheels and dismantle them to have the rims polished, reassemble, seal the spokes and throw the tubes in the bin.
Fit the Ohlins, engine bars, centrestand, top box and panniers..
Then ummm...Oh yes, go for a ride..(almost forgot that bit..!)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on October 11, 2019, 12:44:31 PM
Your plan shows remarkable restraint~!  Anticipation turning into reality.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 11, 2019, 02:51:25 PM
Your plan shows remarkable restraint~!  Anticipation turning into reality.
I’ll get there..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 17, 2019, 08:40:59 PM
Well, I said I’d get there and whatd’ya know ?
I did..!
As Rich Little said.. a couple of quick impressions.
The seat is higher than I’d like..(but I knew that)
High beam blue light on dash only comes on when you operate the flasher..(didn’t know that)
Cruise control operates every time perfectly if you depress AND slide the button to the right..(found that out)
Bash plate is pus..for now.. :wink: (knew that)
Peter Stevens pre delivery isn’t worth a (    ) full of cold water..(always knew that)
Can achieve quiet up changes in bottom three gears, if you don’t wind the transmission up too much then hurry the change. You need to slide the change through in a sort of 1-2 motion and you’ll (mostly) avoid the clack..( happy about that)
That’s my impression after one hour..
(https://i.ibb.co/0nMNTmG/2-B1-D12-DF-EA41-464-E-8-C4-F-8-D0-AD014-CCF9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0nMNTmG)

(https://i.ibb.co/8XdVWtx/543157-E4-564-B-48-F0-923-A-48-B4-E8-F394-E2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8XdVWtx)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 17, 2019, 08:45:30 PM
Weird on the cruise thing.

My RBW RK can be manually accelerated and dropped back to cruise without resetting. Odd programming choice on the part of Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 17, 2019, 09:48:29 PM
Weird on the cruise thing.

My RBW RK can be manually accelerated and dropped back to cruise without resetting. Odd programming choice on the part of Guzzi.
Yeah.
Strike that Kev, just found out that you can accelerate without cancelling the cruise then it will flop back to the set value.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 17, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Lovely color
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 17, 2019, 10:44:43 PM
Lovely color
I have a nice MG logo to affix in an appropriate place.. :wink: :bow:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on October 18, 2019, 07:15:50 AM
Congrats!  Get some time on the stock shock.  Think you'll find it's perfectly adequate, and you won't need the $1K Ohlins.  When I accelerate up or down while on cruise, mine stays put at the new speed. 

This is my first bike that has cruise control, and I'm still playing around with it.  What annoys me is the blinking green light after you initially activate it, whether you're using it or not.  Looks like I left my turn signal on.  Is there any way to turn off cruise on the fly other than stopping and turning off the bike?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Speedysheep on October 18, 2019, 07:25:11 AM
Congrats!  Get some time on the stock shock.  Think you'll find it's perfectly adequate, and you won't need the $1K Ohlins.  When I accelerate up or down while on cruise, mine stays put at the new speed. 

This is my first bike that has cruise control, and I'm still playing around with it.  What annoys me is the blinking green light after you initially activate it, whether you're using it or not.  Looks like I left my turn signal on.  Is there any way to turn off cruise on the fly other than stopping and turning off the bike?

Push the cruise button in for a couple seconds.  Turns right off.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on October 18, 2019, 08:40:40 AM
A long awaited Congrats Huzo.  You will love the bike, overall it is just a very pleasant ride in every way.  Had we the option of the red across the pond here, that is the one I would have chosen as well - gorgeous.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 18, 2019, 01:31:31 PM
A long awaited Congrats Huzo.  You will love the bike, overall it is just a very pleasant ride in every way.  Had we the option of the red across the pond here, that is the one I would have chosen as well - gorgeous.
Thankyou Trialsman.
When the tyres come off for replacement, I’ll pull the wheels to bits and polish the rims but it’ll be ok for now.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 18, 2019, 01:39:45 PM
Congrats!  Get some time on the stock shock.  Think you'll find it's perfectly adequate, and you won't need the $1K Ohlins.  When I accelerate up or down while on cruise, mine stays put at the new speed. 

This is my first bike that has cruise control, and I'm still playing around with it.  What annoys me is the blinking green light after you initially activate it, whether you're using it or not.  Looks like I left my turn signal on.  Is there any way to turn off cruise on the fly other than stopping and turning off the bike?
Thank you Cam.
A bit late on the shock thing though.
The Ohlins will be here shortly..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on October 18, 2019, 01:43:59 PM
I too want to add my congratulations Huzo.

I know you have been waiting for some time.

 :boozing:

John Henry
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 18, 2019, 01:56:46 PM
I too want to add my congratulations Huzo.

I know you have been waiting for some time.

 :boozing:

John Henry
Thanks also John.
Yes it’s been a while, but I console myself with having my Norge back, that’s what I was hanging out for. I see it as a first world problem to be waiting for a new bike while anticipating 2020 to Cape York and 2021 to Mandello.
Like most, I read some posts of members facing personal crises and I consider myself fortunate to be able to bounce out of bed and play.
I guess my Norge is a real, tangible thing that has been in my life since 2007, but my V85 was a number in a box on the water, that made it easier to wait.
But now it’s REAL...! :drool:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 18, 2019, 02:00:28 PM
Cool brother!  I'm curious about the red.  It appears to be a deeper red than that of the red Breva or 1100 sport, is it?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 18, 2019, 02:14:27 PM
Cool brother!  I'm curious about the red.  It appears to be a deeper red than that of the red Breva or 1100 sport, is it?
A little more cherry I’d say.
Changes in the varying light quite a bit.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on October 18, 2019, 03:37:49 PM
The seat is higher than I’d like..(but I knew that)

There are 10 rather thick rubber spacers under the saddle, separating the seat from the frame.  I replaced mine with rubber buttons, and managed to reduce the seat height noticeably. Edit: Just measured the difference -5mm, seemed more.


High beam blue light on dash only comes on when you operate the flasher..(didn’t know that)

Not quite true.  If you press that same flasher button forward, the high beam light (and the high beam blue light on the dash) will both come on.  The RH lights control has to be in the middle or forward position for this to happen.  Confusing I agree, I just leave my RH lights control forward all the time.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on October 19, 2019, 06:27:39 AM
Hilarious fact of the day.

The demand sensor is now incorporated into the twistgrip mount on the V85. This means that when you fit heated grips you get a new, complete, twistgrip assembly with a new demand sensor. (this may well mean that after fitting you will need to do the 'Handle' and 'Throttle' self learning functions to get stuff to work correctly which might be the root of the suggestion on other boards that you can't fit your own heated grips and need the dealer to do it. Pfffft!)

The thing is if you want to purchase the single, non heated, grip if for instance you fall off and damage the mounting, it will cost you $299US. If instead you buy the heated grips, (Where the right one incorporates the demand sensor but you also get the left one and the heating elements.) it will only cost you $266US!

They're just taking the piss!

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on October 19, 2019, 08:22:48 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but Jim Hamlin just hit me up and said Guzzi OEM heated grips are IN.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Glawster on October 19, 2019, 08:57:34 AM
Glad to see it's finally arrived Peter.  Hope it meets your expectations.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Warren Rhen on October 20, 2019, 02:54:13 AM
Anybody ever see any 1/4 mile times posted for the V85 tt?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 20, 2019, 03:14:55 AM
Glad to see it's finally arrived Peter.  Hope it meets your expectations.
Thanks Derek.
After being on yours I knew what to expect. It is very nice to say the least.
I went over to the spaghetti rally yesterday and came home today. My Norge still feels like it has velvet pistons and the gearshift is buttery.
I put the  shock in at 90,000 and now have 180,000, the back end feels as firm as a fish’s arse..(that’s good BTW)
410 km before the fuel light came on and 6 km later I added 19.2 litres.
It was 1 degree Celsius for a goodly portion of the trip home and with the electric screen up, I was relatively comfortable.
Point is that the V85 has some monumentally big shoes to fill, but we’re off to a good start.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: beetle on October 20, 2019, 03:36:57 AM

Please stop.


(http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/18/91/78/64/image13.gif)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on October 20, 2019, 06:06:23 AM
Do you need a calander or can you get away with a sun dial to time it?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pizza Guzzi on October 20, 2019, 06:12:28 AM


They're just taking the piss!

Pete

Nah I reckon $1000 AUD for a stepper motor for a Carc bike is taking the piss !

Glenn
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gliderjohn on October 20, 2019, 06:49:32 AM
From MCN - 14.04 at 98 mph.
KTM 790 - 12.48
GliderJohn
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 20, 2019, 07:20:47 AM
From MCN - 14.04 at 98 mph.

Interesting, that's V7 numbers.

Seat of the pants I wonder if it's geared much taller after first which was pretty low.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 20, 2019, 07:27:00 AM
From MCN - 14.04 at 98 mph.
KTM 790 - 12.48
GliderJohn
The MCN road test of a 2019 I read did not include perfromance data......If 14.04 is true and the V85 has normal street gearing and weighs about 500 pounds...that would be typical of a bike with 50-55 RWHP... You can agrue about it but V7's run that or a bit slower with maybe 42 RWHP.. ..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 20, 2019, 07:40:16 AM
The MCN road test of a 2019 I read did not include perfromance data......If 14.04 is true and the V85 has normal street gearing and weighs about 500 pounds...that would be typical of a bike with 50-55 RWHP... You can agrue about it but V7's run that or a bit slower with maybe 42 RWHP.. ..

Cam mentioned 2nd is really tall and he feels like there's a huge gap between 1st and it. Taller gearing would also help explain the differences in feeling between the V85 and other smallblocks.

FYI the V7IIIs are up to 48 rwhp according to reports. I've not seen a 1/4 time on them (though I haven't gone looking).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 20, 2019, 08:08:44 AM
Cam mentioned 2nd is really tall and he feels like there's a huge gap between 1st and it. Taller gearing would also help explain the differences in feeling between the V85 and other smallblocks.

FYI the V7IIIs are up to 48 rwhp according to reports. I've not seen a 1/4 time on them (though I haven't gone looking).
Non rubber mount 883 Sportsters weigh about 500 pounds, have tall gearing and about 45 RWHP...Best 1/4 mile times reported are low to mid 14's.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gliderjohn on October 20, 2019, 08:14:59 AM
My 1977 GS400 with a 450 big bore kit, bigger carbs, stage II cam and two in one headers was clocked twice in the 14.3 range and that was with me having minimal experience or skill in launching a bike.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on October 20, 2019, 08:50:20 AM
1\4 mile times don't tell me much. I care about quickness off the line, to get a jump on cars from intersections, and roll on times, passing at multiple speeds. So 0 to 60 and 40 to 80, with an occasional 70 to 100, times tick my boxes.  When I'm having real fun on a bike, it's about carrying speed through the curves.

And I ride mid range torque mostly. Top end HP is fun to discuss, but really irrelevant.

My test ride of the V85tt was that the power was adequate, but not a feature. Other things impressed me much more.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 20, 2019, 08:52:33 AM
Non rubber mount 883 Sportsters weigh about 500 pounds, have tall gearing and about 45 RWHP...Best 1/4 mile times reported are low to mid 14's.

They can be uncorked to about 50 rwhp with pipes and air cleaners.

The rubbermount 883s weigh 50# more but make a little more hp stock and uncorked, c and turn similar times.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 20, 2019, 08:56:52 AM
  Triumph 650 Bonneville always seemed to run low 14's in the road tests of the era...a 400 pound bike with 4.80 overall gearing rated at 50 or so HP...On a Dynojet, a good running stock Bonneville makes about 40 RWHP.
 I think a V85TT would be capable of 13 flat if it has 62-66 RWHP no matter what the gearing..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Darren Williams on October 20, 2019, 09:05:50 AM
I think a V85TT would be capable of 13 flat if it has 62-66 RWHP no matter what the gearing..

Knowing when to shift would be the key. From the torque curves and my test ride, it doesn't seem like bouncing off the rev limiter would be getting good times out of it. Like most Guzzis, 5 to 7K RPM would be the fun zone, above that diminished returns.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 20, 2019, 11:30:31 AM
 Drag racing is all about the hole shot and keeping the engine close as possible to maxium power through the gears...the Dyno info posted says peak HP is at 7900 plus rpm...But the peak power curve is pretty flat from 7200 to 7900...So to limit rpm drop drop between gear you have to take the engine to to peak power or slightly beyond in each gear.In this case, at least 7500 rpm..Hole shots on short wheelbase wheelie prone machines are tricky. If slipping the clutch is too abusive out of the hole then you have break loose the rear tire..The guys that ride the bikes for the published road tests are usually experienced....I did a fair share of bike drag racing and I saw many guys very disappointed they couldn't get close to the times published in magazines by pro riders....Best times require a brutal flogging..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on October 20, 2019, 01:01:58 PM
Please stop.


(http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/18/91/78/64/image13.gif)

I second this. I don't get comparing an adventure bike to a v7. I think the power figures put out by guzzi are accurate. Power gets eaten by a driveshaft its the nature of the beast.

The other thing i don't get is everyone dotes on the royal enfield himilayan being great at the price point. However you have an 850 producing similar power to an 850 gs and everyone cries foul.
Gearing to be sure makes a huge difference in 0-60 performance.

If guzzi puts out a lemans id hope it be different but i feel for an adventure bike guzzi hit the sweet spot.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on October 20, 2019, 01:05:35 PM
Do you need a calander or can you get away with a sun dial to time it?

I don't care who you are that right there is funny :thumb:


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on October 20, 2019, 01:45:35 PM
Fitted R&G heated grips today. Changed the plugs on the grips to match the ones under the front of the tank. To remove tank is a total ball ache. 2 minutes on my Convert, bloody ages on the V85! I didn't bother in the end, when I found out where the wires were, but had to loosen the side cover enough to, in turn, release the front triangular cove enough  to get at the wires. This process alone involved removing countless screws and one bitch of a screw right above the rocker cover. (there is another that looks impossible to remove to fully release the side panel). To remove this screw I had to remove said rocker cover and  modify an Allen key to fit in the tiny gap. The rocker cover screws were barely tight - I could release them with the allen key long side into the screw - and only 3 screws. The spark plug cover has a plastic, clipped channel that the plug wire fits into. This has to be removed before the cover can be eased out. There must be a better way than I found to refit the plastic channel. I struggled to feed the wire back in, with the cover in place - so much so that I will go back tomorrow and re do it.
The throttle grip was way too tight to fit on the throttle tube, so I had to  sand it till I could ease the grip on. Before fitting the grips I plugged them in and turned the ignition on - held my breath in case the dash blew up - and then sighed in relief when a heated grip logo lit up. Press the button and the logo shows 3 levels of heat and the grips warm up! Result.
To fully remove the tank is a major operation, which is not difficult (apart for the location of some screws) but so, so many screws!

If anyone has an easy solution to refitting the spark plug wire into its plastic channel, I would like to hear it before I revisit it tomorrow.
And, if I have made a pig's ear of this operation, I would love to know an easier way of tackling it.
It took me so long I didn't have time to go for a ride with warm hands.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on October 20, 2019, 02:41:30 PM

To fully remove the tank is a major operation, which is not difficult (apart for the location of some screws) but so, so many screws!

I too made the mistake of removing most of the screws to get the tank off the bike.

But it ain't that difficult.  Remove the screw on each side of the ignition switch, and remove the cover surrounding it.  Remove the rubber collet around the ignition switch.

You will then see two screws at the front of the tank, and one at the rear.  Remove those and undo the breather hose at the front.

Pull the tank back slightly, and then lift the rear to reveal the tank hose connection and the cables for the in-tank fuel pump.  Start the bike, and then undo the fuel pump cable, coaxing the motor to run as long as possible to remove the pressure in the hose.  This is common with all the fuel pump in tank models.

The hardest part is to disconnect the tank hose itself, by pressing the red square buttons on each side.  Mine was a right royal @&%$*#, but persevere and it will let go.  I smeared dielectric grease on the connection to make it easier to part next time.

Remove the tank fully from the bike, taking note of the routing of the breather hose.  Turning the tank vertical on the rear makes this easier, and a nearly empty tank will also help.

Hope I haven't forgotten anything, others will probably chime in with any corrections.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on October 20, 2019, 02:44:08 PM
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-adventure-mc-commute-review/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jayell on October 20, 2019, 02:56:12 PM
Fitted R&G heated grips today. Changed the plugs on the grips to match the ones under the front of the tank. To remove tank is a total ball ache. 2 minutes on my Convert, bloody ages on the V85! I didn't bother in the end, when I found out where the wires were, but had to loosen the side cover enough to, in turn, release the front triangular cove enough  to get at the wires. This process alone involved removing countless screws and one bitch of a screw right above the rocker cover. (there is another that looks impossible to remove to fully release the side panel). To remove this screw I had to remove said rocker cover and  modify an Allen key to fit in the tiny gap. The rocker cover screws were barely tight - I could release them with the allen key long side into the screw - and only 3 screws. The spark plug cover has a plastic, clipped channel that the plug wire fits into. This has to be removed before the cover can be eased out. There must be a better way than I found to refit the plastic channel. I struggled to feed the wire back in, with the cover in place - so much so that I will go back tomorrow and re do it.
The throttle grip was way too tight to fit on the throttle tube, so I had to  sand it till I could ease the grip on. Before fitting the grips I plugged them in and turned the ignition on - held my breath in case the dash blew up - and then sighed in relief when a heated grip logo lit up. Press the button and the logo shows 3 levels of heat and the grips warm up! Result.
To fully remove the tank is a major operation, which is not difficult (apart for the location of some screws) but so, so many screws!

If anyone has an easy solution to refitting the spark plug wire into its plastic channel, I would like to hear it before I revisit it tomorrow.
And, if I have made a pig's ear of this operation, I would love to know an easier way of tackling it.
It took me so long I didn't have time to go for a ride with warm hands.

Wow! You go about things the hard way, mate.

Removing the tank is easy on the V85, it's a five minute job, ten tops. Have a rag handy when you disconnect the fuel supply.

While you're in there, it's a good opportunity to cure the fuel tank vacuum issue, which some have experienced.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on October 20, 2019, 03:24:05 PM
Nah I reckon $1000 AUD for a stepper motor for a Carc bike is taking the piss !

Glenn

That's Peter Stevens taking the piss but it's a good cautionary warning about over filling your sump.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 20, 2019, 04:10:15 PM
Just after fitting the top box to my V85.
I read somewhere here that some bloke wanted to move the top box forward, I concur. Should be easy to get 150 mm forward travel by making two brackets that fit the bolt holes on the rear rack that extend forwards by 150 mm or so, and bolt the top box mounting bracket to them.
The issue may be clearance for the seat as it’s being removed, but I don’t see it as an insurmountable problem.
Watch this space..(if you’re interested)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on October 20, 2019, 05:10:41 PM
From MCN - 14.04 at 98 mph.
KTM 790 - 12.48
GliderJohn


Needs a better rider. My '76 850 LM did a 13 flat at 103 mph. This with Raeco heads, stock cam and close ratio gearbox which has a very high 1st gear. Not ideal for hole shots.
This at Leicester for Rough's benefit, local dragstrip.

Pete

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Warren Rhen on October 20, 2019, 11:35:22 PM
Anybody ever see any 1/4 mile times posted for the V85 tt?
So the answer to my question is no
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on October 21, 2019, 05:45:20 AM
So the answer to my question is no

Or who gives a f***.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 21, 2019, 07:44:09 AM
+1.  1/4 mile time for an adventure bike?  To quote above, that right there is funny!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on October 21, 2019, 07:49:38 AM
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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 21, 2019, 07:53:35 AM

Needs a better rider. My '76 850 LM did a 13 flat at 103 mph. This with Raeco heads, stock cam and close ratio gearbox which has a very high 1st gear. Not ideal for hole shots.
This at Leicester for Rough's benefit, local dragstrip.

Pete

 That's a fun hillbilly track. I believe bikes only run 1/8 mile there for the last several years...13 @103 is a decent run for that type of bike...1/4 mile times may not be important to some but it's another measure of a bike's performance...For those who ride bikes for their performance...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on October 21, 2019, 08:14:41 AM
 Seriously , the testers should start doing tractor pulls with motorbikes , more fun and informative than 1/4 mile testing  :rolleyes:

 Dusty
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on October 21, 2019, 08:19:50 AM
Ha Ha Ha! All sorted now. An Adventure Rider post put me right with instructions of how to remove the tank.  Done in minutes!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on October 21, 2019, 08:28:57 AM
Ha Ha Ha! All sorted now. An Adventure Rider post put me right with instructions of how to remove the tank.  Done in minutes!

For future reference, can you post those simple instructions here?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on October 21, 2019, 08:45:05 AM
That's a fun hillbilly track. I believe bikes only run 1/8 mile there for the last several years...13 @103 is a decent run for that type of bike...1/4 mile times may not be important to some but it's another measure of a bike's performance...For those who ride bikes for their performance...

I did this I think almost 25 years ago. It was not long after I rebuilt the engine and used it to dial in the main jet. First run only got to around 90 and it would stop pulling around 7K rpms. Going up three main jet sizes it gave the 103 number and it pulled over 8K rpms easily. I backed off at 8,200 but there was more to be had.

To the red suspender crowd, like Rough says, its useful to compare the performance of you and bike against the pro testors as well as tuning if you start making modifications.

BTW I also took my EV there a few years later. I thought it ran strong vs other EVs but could not get under 14 seconds or over about 98 MPH.

Pete
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rough Edge racing on October 21, 2019, 09:19:45 AM
I did this I think almost 25 years ago. It was not long after I rebuilt the engine and used it to dial in the main jet. First run only got to around 90 and it would stop pulling around 7K rpms. Going up three main jet sizes it gave the 103 number and it pulled over 8K rpms easily. I backed off at 8,200 but there was more to be had.

To the red suspender crowd, like Rough says, its useful to compare the performance of you and bike against the pro testors as well as tuning if you start making modifications.

BTW I also took my EV there a few years later. I thought it ran strong vs other EVs but could not get under 14 seconds or over about 98 MPH.

Pete

  I never raced a bike there but did go  to the short strip at Spencer Speedway. Think it's 110 yards, a real sprint like stop light to stop light..My 74  Trident did real well against the big Japanese inline 4's on the short track, mostly due to beating them out of the hole..Drag racing is alot fun and you don't need to be too brutal on the bike if being the fastest isn't important...
 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mobiker on October 21, 2019, 12:39:44 PM
Saw on the previous page that somebody listed the 1/4 mile number from MCN's test. Here's a couple of more numbers for those who care.
66.5 hp, 48.6 ft lbs torque, fuel mileage 31 low, 43 avg, 55 high all in mpg, wet weight 537 lbs, 573 with factory bags, 0-60 5.2 sec.

The one that surprised me is the weight. Given how light most MG small blocks are, I was expecting something in the 475-500 lb range. 537 is getting kind of porky. That's about 50 pounds heavier than my old R100GS.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on October 21, 2019, 01:50:12 PM
According to the clock mine is averaging 57mpg.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 21, 2019, 06:31:40 PM
Indeed, your R100 didn't have to deal with 2020 pollution control sytems, and ABS either.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on October 21, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
Well,............
High beam blue light on dash only comes on when you operate the flasher..(didn’t know that)
///..................
That’s my impression after one hour..
[ (https://ibb.co/0nMNTmG)


I'd say that ain't right.  Something must be wrong there.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mobiker on October 21, 2019, 07:35:14 PM
Indeed, your R100 didn't have to deal with 2020 pollution control sytems, and ABS either.
I thought of the exhaust. The exhaust on an R100GS isn't lightweight....so allowing that the MG's is bigger and has a cat it might weigh 10 lbs more. Maybe 15? ABS doesn't add more than a couple of pounds unless MG is using something primitive. Also, the MG has a plastic tank and the BMW has a 5.7 gallon steel tank. As I said I was mostly basing my surprise on the weight of other small blocks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 22, 2019, 02:36:31 AM
I'd say that ain't right.  Something must be wrong there.
Thanks mate..
There’s nothing wrong with the bike, the nut on the seat needed attention. It’s been explained here on WG that you need to have the switch on the right hand switchblock correctly positioned.
All’s well now.. :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 26, 2019, 03:49:52 AM
Somebody mentioned that they were investigating moving the top box forward on their V85.
I was looking at mine and saw that by fabricating 2 brackets that fit the spacing on the Guzzi rear frame, new holes can be bored up to 150 mm forward and thus allowing the box to be repositioned forward by that amount.

(https://i.ibb.co/jDfzB9J/1-BA90337-0428-42-E1-858-E-62-D8281-D2-DC1.png) (https://ibb.co/jDfzB9J)

I haven’t done mine yet.
But I will... :clock: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Pootle on October 26, 2019, 04:13:44 AM
Recently rediscovered why the toilet should not be in the bathroom (I was in the bath)
No idea how anyone ever thought that was a good idea.
There's an episode of "Father Ted" that shows the problem.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on October 26, 2019, 11:48:54 AM
Huzo,

Would there still be enough room to remove the seat?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 26, 2019, 02:19:53 PM
Huzo,

Would there still be enough room to remove the seat?
Yes NW, I reckon so.
The brackets will have spacers under them to clear the black Guzzi subframe as they pass over. I have done the same on my Norge, it’ll work ok I’m sure.
The seat only pops up a small amount and moves rearwards about 15 mm to release,
Today I’m going for a ride in the morning then home for the Moto GP later, after that I’ll do some prep and post some shots.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on October 26, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Great, I'm looking forward to your experiment.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: john fish on October 26, 2019, 06:08:41 PM

The one that surprised me is the weight. Given how light most MG small blocks are, I was expecting something in the 475-500 lb range. 537 is getting kind of porky. That's about 50 pounds heavier than my old R100GS.

Does "wet weight" include a full gas tank?  Gas is about 6 lbs per gallon, iirc.

I prefer weight reported with all fluids except gas.  That way, bikes with large tanks aren't penalized.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mobiker on October 26, 2019, 06:46:49 PM
Does "wet weight" include a full gas tank?  Gas is about 6 lbs per gallon, iirc.

I prefer weight reported with all fluids except gas.  That way, bikes with large tanks aren't penalized.
Yup, includes fuel. I never considered it a penalty. If I'm looking at a spec page, I'll naturally look at tank size. From there the math is simple to account for differences between fuel capacity. In this specific case, the V85 has 6 gallons, the V7's 5.5 and my BMW 5.7 so there is a max of around 3 lbs difference. Not enough to fool with since scales tend to vary by more than that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 27, 2019, 03:40:41 AM
Is there a dedicated supply wire for powering the Tom Tom ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on October 27, 2019, 10:30:17 AM
Is there a dedicated supply wire for powering the Tom Tom ?

No.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 27, 2019, 01:39:35 PM
No.
Ok then, thank you.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 05, 2019, 03:09:00 PM
+1.  1/4 mile time for an adventure bike?  To quote above, that right there is funny!
Not quite as hilarious as might seem apparent.
Although Pete’s response is frighteningly accurate when he said “who gives a   “
The fact remains that 1/4 mile times are a blood and guts, unambiguous physical statement of the maximum power that was made by a motorised, friction driven vehicle.
Now we all know the interminable offerings by all and sundry regarding the claimed versus real world power quotes and if we don’t care what the 1/4 mile time is...?
Then we never cared what the power is.
I think there’s a gulf that exists here regarding what we “care” about, versus what we are “interested” about. I would have bought my V85 regardless of the real world power, because I feel that my bike will be using 65% of it’s performance potential the way I will be riding it, versus perhaps 50% if it were a meatier offering.
Any dissent regarding the watery power figure was always more about the lies and deception vomited by Guzzi, rather than the ultimate product.
I’m actually more than happy with what mine can do and I wouldn’t buy another 20% increase in performance if it was available for 100 Australian dollars. I just figure that the relatively modest power production will translate out into longer life.
Longer than mine I hope.... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 05, 2019, 06:12:58 PM
I don't miss my 100 plus horsepower bikes at all.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dean Rose on November 05, 2019, 06:40:57 PM
V85 Travel

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-travel-2020/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on November 05, 2019, 07:06:41 PM
Guzzi is so good at using unusual colors to make a really beautiful bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on November 05, 2019, 08:03:58 PM
Clever
But how long till aftermarket plastics like dirt bikes ?, any colour you want for sixpence.
Different set for every day of the week, few mins to new look.

Till then, distributor fits plastics to “ special order “ , punter feels privileged  to buy unique model

Travel name infers someones’s getting a grasp of English, some of recent names a bit lost in translation
“Rough “ never sounded as intended I’m sure.
“Tough” possibly what they meant
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: maquette on November 06, 2019, 12:38:12 PM
V85 Travel

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/moto-guzzi-v85-tt-travel-2020/

If they had a dealer network I would find it interesting Dean.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 06, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
So how does it differ from my V85 except for the taller screen ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on November 06, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
So how does it differ from my V85 except for the taller screen ?

As it says, Huzo ......

"The Travel version sets its sights further with a taller screen, hard luggage, a centrestand and fog lights, heated grips; all as standard. The Travel model also gets this new bronze colour scheme with unique graphics, including a ‘Travel’ logo on the fork shrouds.

It features Guzzi’s MIA multimedia platform for smartphone connectivity too, which gives the instrument display more functionality."

Most of this stuff is already available for existing models except the colour scheme and the unique graphics.

Would be great if the pricing was the same as the previous models, but I suspect you'll be paying extra for the extra goodies.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on November 06, 2019, 04:08:44 PM
The colour scheme is extreme "fugly" !  :violent1:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 06, 2019, 06:37:23 PM
As it says, Huzo ......

"The Travel version sets its sights further with a taller screen, hard luggage, a centrestand and fog lights, heated grips; all as standard. The Travel model also gets this new bronze colour scheme with unique graphics, including a ‘Travel’ logo on the fork shrouds.

It features Guzzi’s MIA multimedia platform for smartphone connectivity too, which gives the instrument display more functionality."

Most of this stuff is already available for existing models except the colour scheme and the unique graphics.

Would be great if the pricing was the same as the previous models, but I suspect you'll be paying extra for the extra goodies.
Oh, ok.
I’ve done the centrestand, engine bars, hard luggage, Ohlins thing but don’t have the ‘grips or taller screen.
I have heated grips standard on my Norge and they’re ok, but still do not keep the backs of your hands warm.
I will probably go the screen in due course.
Graphics remind me of the colour of an old pair of pyjamas I had as a kid..
I like the red..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on November 06, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
I like the look of the saddlebags better than the Kalahari Rosso.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on November 06, 2019, 09:17:36 PM
Aside from the colour & the 4?? stickers, it's just an option pack drawn directly from the accessory catalogue.  Presumably at a better price than if bought piecemeal.  Just as the company did with the two "ticolore" versions sold exclusively in the 2 or 3 northern countries of America (alu boxes etc).

But a beige motorcycle?  Hmmm.  Says it all, really.  That particular hue is known colloquially in Tasmania as "Calfshit".  I too like the all-red one better (best).

I don't mind those "town/touring" (Guzzi's website is currently down, so I can't look up their CORRECT name) cases personally.  Maybe not ideally suited to crossing the Gobi, but neither is the rest of the bike.  As a touring accessory, they're a slightly less capacious but more economical & aerodynamic alternative better adapted to road miles.

Addendum:  It's basically an "Urban Pack" (with the Urban Cases, stand etc.), the taller screen & hot handles.

https://www.motoguzzi.com/mediaObject/motoguzzi-sites/MASTER/brochure/2019/MG_Catalogo_Accessori_06-2019/original/MG_Catalogo_Accessori_06-2019.pdf
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on November 07, 2019, 06:56:01 PM
I see AF1 now sells all the bodywork to convert one over to all red.  EXPENSIVE!  I didn’t add it all up, but estimate over $2K just to buy the parts, then there’s the shipping.

FWIW, I like the beige color on that model.  It’s different.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on November 07, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
I see AF1 now sells all the bodywork to convert one over to all red.  EXPENSIVE!  I didn’t add it all up, but estimate over $2K just to buy the parts, then there’s the shipping.

FWIW, I like the beige color on that model.  It’s different.
Pretty cool mark up on a few plastic bits, one of those “I should have thought of that first” moments.
Trick now would be to make that price “exchange” , send your originals with cash

One born every minute as they say, complete victimless crime.
Not sold of need but blissfully ignorant vanity.
I can hear them thinking
If mine were red, my world would be at least $2000 better
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on November 07, 2019, 07:51:35 PM

I have heated grips standard on my Norge and they’re ok, but still do not keep the backs of your hands warm.

Before I discovered I could fit the Oxford heated grips, I purchased some Keis heated gloves liners.  They warmed the back of the hands but not the palms.

I guess in really cold weather both would be the bee's knees, but I can't see me needing both, it just doesn't get that cold here.  Being tethered to the bike is also something I didn't like, despite the "automatic disconnect" arrangement I set up.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 08, 2019, 03:58:15 PM
Serious "chick magnet".

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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on November 09, 2019, 06:23:38 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/sbkQVFf/Moto-Guzzi-V85-TT-Travel.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sbkQVFf)


This color is really growing on me, I would love to see one in person!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Perazzimx14 on November 09, 2019, 06:41:13 AM
Looks like they found a few quarts of Quota Champagne colored paint to repurpose. Awesome name too........V85TTTra vel. Very exotic.






Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 09, 2019, 06:52:03 AM
Looks like an expensive pho :evil:to, in more ways than one................ .............. :evil:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on November 09, 2019, 09:05:47 AM
being its a more street biased "travel" model, Im surprised they didn't add a lower front fender to it. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Roebling3 on November 09, 2019, 10:05:56 AM
Like the current V7 series, celebrating its 10 yr. anniversary; the V85 may have 'nearly' all the things you wish for, given enough time.

I like the color and agree w/P14 on from where it cometh. My long gone R65 had a glossy, lighter tone metallic version.  R3~
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 10, 2019, 06:35:20 AM
I agree, you have to see it in person.  I liked the v85's much better in person than pictures.  Like the v7, you may be able to choose from many flavors of the V85.  I see nothing wrong with parts bin engineering if there is a market for it.  A lowering kit (not just the seat) would be a wise business move in my opinion.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Roebling3 on November 11, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
Might those brush shields on the bars fit a V7 III?  R3~
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 16, 2019, 03:12:04 PM
Just a couple of impressions...
When I first saw the V85, I knew I would have one and paid a deposit immediately.
I always knew I wanted one and think of it as my second string bike to see me out along with my much loved Norge. It wasn’t until July this year that I saw my first one in the flesh and was treated to a ride on one at Agostini’s and then a decent go on Glawster’s beautiful Rosso Vulcano example in Cheltenham.
That’s when I knew, for me it had to be red, so I changed my order...twice.
I can see we are going to get on very well indeed, each time I go out on it, I can feel myself growing “into” it and except for the high(ish) seat, there’s nothing other than cosmetic changes that I’ve got left to do.
But here’s another thing..
I went out yesterday with Old Mate Barry on his R1100S BMW and him on the V85 mostly.
Looking at the bike in motion with the cases attached, it looked fabulous and my attachment that I expect to solidify, took a big step closer to what it will morph into for the rest of my riding life.
I REALLY do like it a lot..
It hasn’t taken anything away from my Norge, it just fills in the spaces that I wouldn’t have ventured into with the big bugger, I’m pondering shipping it to India and do the Himalayan tour thing, but not with the mob.
My take away thought is..
If you want to know how good looking your bike is, sit beside it @ 120 kph from 10 metres and witness the effortless way it will take you to a new phase of your privileged life..
Good mate/s, good bike, good times... :thumb: :clock: :bike-037:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on November 17, 2019, 12:13:41 PM
So how are these selling?  My local dealer was acting like you'd better buy one if you can (before they were available) and now they have 2 on the showroom.  I think they got 6 of them, so sold 4 pretty quickly.

I was very interested, but seems the CA OTD price was $16,200-$16,500 which I am too thrifty to go for. :)

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: yrunvs on November 22, 2019, 08:19:32 AM
I posted this on another site and thought I would post it here to get best results.

I am currently doing my research into adventure bikes and have been reading up on and watching you tubes on the v85tt. Admittedly I have not read this entire thread but I have not seen much if anything about this bikes motor coolant. I know that other Moto Guzzi's are air/oil cooled with an oil radiator but this bike as I understand is strictly old school air cooled......what does this mean in terms of engine life expectancy? Engine temperature at slow speed high rpm riding? Honestly, it has me a little concerned.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 22, 2019, 08:28:02 AM
I posted this on another site and thought I would post it here to get best results.

I am currently doing my research into adventure bikes and have been reading up on and watching you tubes on the v85tt. Admittedly I have not read this entire thread but I have not seen much if anything about this bikes motor coolant. I know that other Moto Guzzi's are air/oil cooled with an oil radiator but this bike as I understand is strictly old school air cooled......what does this mean in terms of engine life expectancy? Engine temperature at slow speed high rpm riding? Honestly, it has me a little concerned.

All the small blocks are air-cooled.   They're understressed and durable.

Just think, if you tip it over, you're not going to bust a radiator or related hardware, which can be vulnerable on liquid-cooled bikes.

If you have a problem with a Guzzi, it will not be the engine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: yrunvs on November 22, 2019, 11:03:58 AM
All the small blocks are air-cooled.   They're understressed and durable.

Just think, if you tip it over, you're not going to bust a radiator or related hardware, which can be vulnerable on liquid-cooled bikes.

If you have a problem with a Guzzi, it will not be the engine.

Thanks for that. Certainly something to consider.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: alanp on November 22, 2019, 11:37:45 AM
Thanks for that. Certainly something to consider.

The air cooled motor and shaft drive are what sets the Guzzi above the competition in the medium displacement ADV bike field.   
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on November 22, 2019, 02:23:13 PM
Off Road Test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfCEVoIlXd8


and ...
Quota https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-XYmQ8xxzM
Stelvio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le0AiPIAqOE
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on November 23, 2019, 10:54:05 AM
Off Road Test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfCEVoIlXd8


and ...
Quota https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-XYmQ8xxzM
Stelvio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le0AiPIAqOE

Looks like the Quota is the winner of these videos! 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on November 23, 2019, 02:37:04 PM
At one point it was recommended to fill it with 160ml instead of 180ml in the manual.


I thought about this, and to my mind that would not lead to a blown seal.  My suspicion would be a blocked vent.

Some of the earlier smallblocks had oil weep here and there  and I think it was Sign216 that suggested seeing if the vent was clear.  When I checked mine it was blocked and that was very early on in it's life.  I now flush the vent every time the rear drive oil is changed; interesting that now over a period of time a light oil film will build up around the vent.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: v85kris on November 24, 2019, 09:14:52 AM
Loving my v85!  However, the manuals have a lot to be desired.  I like to work on my own bikes and I'm a little anal about getting things just right, my dad worked in aerospace where everything had to be perfect.  I'm having trouble finding torque specs except the ones under "characteristics" in the engine manual.  Not sure these would apply to oil drain plugs, spark plugs or valve covers.  I have the user manual, service station manual and engine manual but none of them show any specific torque values.
Any help finding these?  Thanks and happy holidays! :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on November 24, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
All available information should be on Greg Bender's site: thisoldtractor.com
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 24, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
welcome kris.

you will find a lot of enthusiasm for the v85 around here.  i expect that you will also find the answers to your questions here as well.  enjoy.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on November 24, 2019, 01:18:21 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjtvNyXvoPmAhUJWqwKHWaPCKAQFjACegQIBBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcadrecycle.com%2Fmanuals%2Ftechnical%2Fv85-service-manual.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0dnofRwl58sCVq035JwebM


I looked through this service manual and there are torques specs throughout. That said, it's odd, there seems to be no all encompassing torque chart listing but the torque specs are mixed in with the topic...for example in the reassembly of the front forks there is a small torque chart...and it's in Italian...Coppia=torque

also seems they left out the torque for some simple maintenance items like oil and rear end filler plug specs..huh

Thanks for asking as now I have some fun and interesting reading as I dream of a v85 in the stable...2020 or 2021 :) I'm hoping

BTW welcome
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 24, 2019, 04:11:14 PM
Old mate bought a V85. Took it down to one of the importer's shops in Melbourne for its, I assume, 10,000km service after fitting a new tyre.

After fitting the tyre it threw a 'Service' warning and the cruise control didn't work. He notified the workshop who 'Plugged in the computer' but couldn't find the problem so they sent him on his way with the 'Service' warning and no functioning cruise control.

Saw him in the pub yesterday where he was bemoaning this 'Service'. I suggested check the brake light and clutch switches and then asked him if he'd recalibrated the TC after fitting the new tyre? No he hadn't. I suggested he do so on the way home. He did. Problem fixed.

Nice to see the high standard of knowledge and workmanship at the importer's own shops on display.......
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on November 24, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Interesting.  I replaced both of my tyres with Michelin Road 5 Trails.  Didn't have to do a recalibrate of the traction control, it all just worked.  I was expecting to, because of the change of tyre flavour.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 24, 2019, 05:17:15 PM
I think he'd replaced only the back and with another brand which might push it out of its comfort zone.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on November 24, 2019, 08:01:43 PM
I changed mine to a Mitas Dakar and had no service light problem.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: stubbie on November 24, 2019, 08:08:01 PM
Giusto there's a job for you, Torque spec chart :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on November 24, 2019, 08:19:42 PM
Changed front and rear to Shinko 705's. No service light.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pete roper on November 24, 2019, 09:23:29 PM
Swapping to matched pairs will probably be a OK. It's the cicumfitential difference that will throw a spanner in the works.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NC Steve on November 28, 2019, 01:17:30 AM
This came in an email tonight, hopefully everyone but me didn't already know about it.

"The new Travel version enhances the qualities of a great V85 TT traveler. With the standard equipment, which includes, tall windshields and heated grips, the V85 TT Travel is ready for adventure. The special Moto Guzzi MIA, the multimedia platform that allows the smartphone to be connected to the vehicle, extends the instrumentation functions. Moto Guzzi V85 TT Travel is offered in the exclusive Sand Namib color."


(https://i.ibb.co/TmJTVhV/guzzi-travel-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TmJTVhV)


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on November 28, 2019, 07:14:25 AM
Everyone but you knew about it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: slopokes on November 28, 2019, 08:28:49 AM
I just received that in last nights mail too—-ya think they could have done better ??🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Lannis on November 28, 2019, 08:44:48 AM
This came in an email tonight, hopefully everyone but me didn't already know about it.

"The new Travel version enhances the qualities of a great V85 TT traveler. With the standard equipment, which includes, tall windshields and heated grips, the V85 TT Travel is ready for adventure. The special Moto Guzzi MIA, the multimedia platform that allows the smartphone to be connected to the vehicle, extends the instrumentation functions. Moto Guzzi V85 TT Travel is offered in the exclusive Sand Namib color."


(https://i.ibb.co/TmJTVhV/guzzi-travel-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TmJTVhV)


The big test will be ... will this bike tempt you to trade in your RE Himalayan?    :angel:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NC Steve on November 28, 2019, 09:38:31 AM
The big test will be ... will this bike tempt you to trade in your RE Himalayan?    :angel:

I could buy at least 2.5 more Himalayans for the price of the V85TT Travel, so no, afraid not...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: yrunvs on November 28, 2019, 12:01:10 PM
I could buy at least 2.5 more Himalayans for the price of the V85TT Travel, so no, afraid not...

What is the price of the Travel?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 28, 2019, 09:21:55 PM
I could buy at least 2.5 more Himalayans for the price of the V85TT Travel, so no, afraid not...
Jeez mate, why stop there ?
With that sort of wisdom, you could go and get 5 cheap crappy Jap bike copies assembled in Thailand, then you’d be TWICE as happy as your your 2.5 Himalayans.
I’m starting to see your point..
Let’s see. That would make you 5 times happier than me with my overpriced Wog trail bike.
You’d be as chuffed as a man with two dicks...! :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NC Steve on November 28, 2019, 10:52:00 PM
Jeez mate, why stop there ?
With that sort of wisdom, you could go and get 5 cheap crappy Jap bike copies assembled in Thailand, then you’d be TWICE as happy as your your 2.5 Himalayans.
I’m starting to see your point..
Let’s see. That would make you 5 times happier than me with my overpriced Wog trail bike.
You’d be as chuffed as a man with two dicks...! :thumb:

Except that I don't want a V85TT, so whatever it costs is of no importance to me.
No doubt a fine bike, but not for me. I've had other Guzzi models and will probably have more.
I'm just answering a question, so I'll let you worry about men with 2 dicks.  :wink:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bisbee on December 03, 2019, 06:20:56 PM
Sure don’t need another bike but the 2020 v85TT Travel sure looks nice. Getting an itch for a RE Himalayan since I’ve Been reading Itchy Boots. Air cooled is definitely the way to go.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on December 04, 2019, 11:01:06 AM
I'm with you.  Sharp looking bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on December 04, 2019, 05:16:17 PM
I am also interested in the Street as well. However I like my Audace and intend on keeping it. But at some point it will be too heavy for me. At which time I will get something lighter. It would have to have cruise control though. I have had a couple surgeries on my right hand and can't hold a throttle open for a longer period of time. Maybe at that time they will have them.
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on December 05, 2019, 06:21:50 AM
I am also interested in the Street as well. However I like my Audace and intend on keeping it. But at some point it will be too heavy for me. At which time I will get something lighter. It would have to have cruise control though. I have had a couple surgeries on my right hand and can't hold a throttle open for a longer period of time. Maybe at that time they will have them.
kk

It has cruise control and it works quite well!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on December 05, 2019, 01:58:56 PM
I didn't see it listed in the specs. I guess I should pay better attention to the details. That is good to hear. The cruise onmy Audace works fairly well, not great but ok. The the things it doesn't have is resume and minor speed adjustments. Later models do have those features.
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on December 05, 2019, 08:32:47 PM
Cruise control is ideal when you can't stop the bike from speeding.  Officer it was the Guzzi's fault will not wash.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on December 13, 2019, 08:12:26 AM
Can anyone tell me if the spotlight wire connections are the same as the heated grip ones before I go in?  Cheers.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on December 14, 2019, 11:31:39 PM
Can anyone tell me if the spotlight wire connections are the same as the heated grip ones before I go in?  Cheers.

Sorry, I don't understand your question.  Would you care to elaborate?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on December 15, 2019, 09:00:25 AM
I have been answered on another forum now, but I meant, does the wiring for the spotlights use the same plugs as the heated grip wiring? Answer no! Spotlight wiring has a 3 pin plug.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on December 21, 2019, 01:47:15 PM
We had some above freezing temperatures today so I took the V85 for a short spin.  When putting it back in the garage I noticed I had a strobe for my headlights.  The eagle is solid but the headlight LEDs either flash or are not on whatever the switch position.  Has anyone else had issues?  Before I reinvent the wheel I thought I might ask to start with the diagnosis.  Probably a loose connector.
Title: Have a look a new version of the V85 TT
Post by: giusto on December 25, 2019, 10:37:49 AM
https://youtu.be/r16Li6qVlxY

This is a very recent video fro the EICMA show. Watch at 30 seconds in as they hit Guzzi...then pan across a new street version of the V85 with new different pipes, street bars/headlight/ faring/chrome tank shape and badging/seat.
This is the first I've seen of this variant that we new was coming.


any other news on it out there?

Title: Re: Have a look a new version of the V85 TT
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 25, 2019, 11:40:47 AM
That's a custom V85TT built by Officine Rossopuro, not a new "street" variant from Guzzi themselves.
Title: Re: Have a look a new version of the V85 TT
Post by: Matteo on December 25, 2019, 12:15:25 PM
I want this one!

(https://i.ibb.co/5FmH1WS/186-E15-F5-D50-E-4-B14-A50-C-EBF865-F5-E4-BC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5FmH1WS)

Custom on bike-exif.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: hagaik on December 25, 2019, 03:05:30 PM
Hi, I just got the V85TT.
I'm a little vertically-challenged (165cm in socks and some back wind) - so I went ahead and got the lowered comfort seat (-2cm), but - coming from a V7II, I still find it a little difficult to manoeuvre the V85TT in the crazy grid locks of downtown Tel Aviv.

Any suggestions as how I can further lower the bike? I think another 2-3cm can make a big difference for me.
Cheers, and seasons greetings from Israel


(https://i.ibb.co/TtgtZzZ/2019-12-16-13-46-28.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TtgtZzZ)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on December 25, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
It's possible to raise the forks in the triple trees.  Don't know if they have a shorter rear shock. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 25, 2019, 08:51:42 PM
I went the Ohlins shock option and wound the spring perch down 15 mm.
Then slid the forks up 18 mm to reduce the height at the front by 15 mm.
I removed the rubber bungs from under the seat and it’s now as low as I can achieve. Please give me the info on the lowered seat option, it’s the only thing I don’t like.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: hagaik on December 26, 2019, 12:01:35 AM
This is the seat I got: part number 2S001370
 https://shop.tlm.nl/en/seat-v85-tt-lowered-comfort-2s001370-moto-guzzi

I'll take a look under the seat to figure out the rubber bungs situation - thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2019, 12:42:36 AM
This is the seat I got: part number 2S001370
 https://shop.tlm.nl/en/seat-v85-tt-lowered-comfort-2s001370-moto-guzzi

I'll take a look under the seat to figure out the rubber bungs situation - thanks for the tip.
Hmm..?
Can you give me your most accurate seat height measurement with no rider aboard ?
Title: Re: Have a look a new version of the V85 TT
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2019, 01:23:17 AM
I want this one!

(https://i.ibb.co/5FmH1WS/186-E15-F5-D50-E-4-B14-A50-C-EBF865-F5-E4-BC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5FmH1WS)

Custom on bike-exif.
That pipe’s gonna’ keep your knee caps nice and warm on the Siberian tundra.
Reckon it would have looked/worked better under the pots ?
Looks like some dumb bastard put them on the wrong sides. Maybe it’s the Southern Hemisphere model..?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 26, 2019, 01:25:51 AM
I just received that in last nights mail too—-ya think they could have done better ??🤷‍♂️
They did mate..
The Rosso Vulcano one.. The only things that should be beige are button up Ned Flanders signature series cardigans and 1950’s Sunbeam mixmasters.. :popcorn:
Title: Re: Have a look a new version of the V85 TT
Post by: giusto on December 27, 2019, 08:15:18 AM
That's a custom V85TT built by Officine Rossopuro, not a new "street" variant from Guzzi themselves.


Hi Charlie, Thanks for that. I didn't realize Moto Guzzi would have a custom bike in their booth  at the show....but why not, right.  I really like the Travel edition

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 27, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
Can anyone tell me what this ?
(https://i.ibb.co/ZfrD9HW/5-CE88183-514-A-4701-965-C-A3199-ACD9-DF4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZfrD9HW)

I think it fell out of my rear V85 caliper and looks like a shim behind the pad, but I could only locate one of them.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twodogs on December 28, 2019, 07:37:13 AM
Hey Huzo, it mounts inside of the caliper up top if that makes any sense, it can only go one way and can be a pain to keep in place, I just went through it when I replaced the brake pads on my Buell :boozing:
Bruce
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 28, 2019, 08:20:22 AM
Hey Huzo, it mounts inside of the caliper up top if that makes any sense, it can only go one way and can be a pain to keep in place, I just went through it when I replaced the brake pads on my Buell :boozing:
Bruce
Thanks mate,,
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 31, 2019, 02:39:12 PM
Can anyone tell me what this ?
(https://i.ibb.co/ZfrD9HW/5-CE88183-514-A-4701-965-C-A3199-ACD9-DF4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZfrD9HW)

I think it fell out of my rear V85 caliper and looks like a shim behind the pad, but I could only locate one of them.
Sorry to be a tool Guys, but I cannot find the obvious place where it goes.
A little perplexing that there’s only one..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Keith McGoff on December 31, 2019, 04:28:04 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/n3Tc1yT/Screen-Shot-2020-01-01-at-9-23-44-am.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n3Tc1yT)


not the V85tt but I think this is where Twodogs is saying the shim goes, on top of the pads below the cover (I don't have the V85 yet)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 31, 2019, 06:24:00 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/n3Tc1yT/Screen-Shot-2020-01-01-at-9-23-44-am.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n3Tc1yT)


not the V85tt but I think this is where Twodogs is saying the shim goes, on top of the pads below the cover (I don't have the V85 yet)
Thank you Keith, I’ll toddle out and check.
There is only one ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Faisal on January 03, 2020, 08:05:30 PM
Does anyone have any idea if there are aftermarket options for the clutch of the V85TT?

The clutch on the V85 is weak sauce and doesn't give you confidence ESPECIALLY offroad.

Either way I would like to install a new clutch in the near future and if anyone knows if there are other options out there that would fit the V85 please, enlighten me / us.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 04, 2020, 01:50:47 AM
Does anyone have any idea if there are aftermarket options for the clutch of the V85TT?

The clutch on the V85 is weak sauce and doesn't give you confidence ESPECIALLY offroad.

Either way I would like to install a new clutch in the near future and if anyone knows if there are other options out there that would fit the V85 please, enlighten me / us.
Can you outline where in particular you think the clutch is deficient, or are you having a laugh..?
Welcome BTW..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twodogs on January 04, 2020, 05:32:29 AM
Hey Huzo, Keith explained it better than I did.( sorry I was in a hurry) and yes there is only 1.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on January 04, 2020, 05:47:32 AM
Does anyone have any idea if there are aftermarket options for the clutch of the V85TT?

The clutch on the V85 is weak sauce and doesn't give you confidence ESPECIALLY offroad.

Either way I would like to install a new clutch in the near future and if anyone knows if there are other options out there that would fit the V85 please, enlighten me / us.

When you describe the clutch as "weak" what do you actually mean?

Is the actuation too stiff/sticky/soft for you?

Is there too much or too little slip between clutch plates?

Is the slip/takeup zone too broad or narrow, or maybe at the incorrect place on your handlever's travel?

In the first instance, you could try a simple adjustment of your existing unit, or perhaps choose either Guzzi's OEM adjustable lever/s from their options catalogue or an afternarket alternative.

You could theoretically replace the clutch pack with different materials.  At considerable expense.  The Swiss Suter company is renowned for high quality and expensive clutch friction materials.  I don't know whether Suter actually make clutches for Guzzi.  Maybe, maybe not.

If there's a problem with actuation/travel/stiction then maybe consider an aftermarket hydraulic actuation unit from the likes of Germany's Magura that make drop-in hydraulic solutions.  As the v85 is relatively new, they may not have developed an actual kit for the bikes yet.  I've had remarkable success with mounting Magura hydraulic units to a BMW Boxer & a Husqvarna twin.  Just be careful not to spill or waste any of their expensive "blood" hydraulic fluid, especially over any painted surfaces.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Faisal on January 04, 2020, 02:24:56 PM
Can you outline where in particular you think the clutch is deficient, or are you having a laugh..?
Welcome BTW..

Thank you, and no, I'm not having a laugh about the clutch. My clutch genuinely feels like its weak and cannot handle the "power" properly. It lugs at take off and there's a slight delay between the clutch engaging and the bike accelerating, even when changing at higher gears.

6th speed will not engage properly during "fast" shifts and will give me a false neutral (which is displayed on the screen as 3rd gear which makes my heart skip a beat).

When I was offroading during the Summer, I actually needed to slip the clutch often to make the bike move on soft-ish sand.

I took the bike to the dealer to adjust it but they said it was up to spec according to the manual.

I don't know if this is clutch related or not, but I still feel the clutch they have on the V85 falls under the "good enough" category and I would like something a bit more than that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on January 04, 2020, 02:34:28 PM
I think I know where you're coming from with this.  On my V85 when I release the clutch, there appears to be a little delay before the plates engage fully.  Once this has happened, there's no slip as far as I can tell, but it doesn't offer confidence to what is happening.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Faisal on January 04, 2020, 03:53:03 PM
I think I know where you're coming from with this.  On my V85 when I release the clutch, there appears to be a little delay before the plates engage fully.  Once this has happened, there's no slip as far as I can tell, but it doesn't offer confidence to what is happening.

Bingo. This is especially annoying when rolling from a stop since I need to feather the clutch lever and slip the clutch more than I would like to as to prevent the bike from lugging or possibly even stalling. It has never stalled on me but it has lugged like a tractor if I don't slip the clutch enough.

This feels like an issue from the clutch itself, maybe the pressure plate is crap? Maybe it needs tighter adjustment? I have no clue but I dont like the feeling of the clutch the way it is now.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on January 04, 2020, 04:01:03 PM
Somethings amiss.  Mine is smoof as butter.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 04, 2020, 04:19:02 PM
I wouldn’t wet my pants too much about the 3rd gear indication on the muffed 6 th gear thing.
As I’ve discovered, the gear indicator gets its info from the engine revs/rear wheel revs, relationship.
If you’re between gears, the revs will have possibly risen temporarily to that which would suggest to the brain, that you’re in 3rd..
Or some bloody thing else...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on January 04, 2020, 07:06:39 PM
I wouldn’t wet my pants too much about the 3rd gear indication on the muffed 6 th gear thing.
As I’ve discovered, the gear indicator gets its info from the engine revs/rear wheel revs, relationship.
If you’re between gears, the revs will have possibly risen temporarily to that which would suggest to the brain, that you’re in 3rd..
Or some bloody thing else...

Sort of, my bike does the same thing.  Any quick stabs to get the bike from 5th to 6th may result in a missed shift and my rev's will bounce off the red line and the gear indicator will show 3rd or 4th or 5th until the rev's settle back and it will display the correct 5th gear.  So while the display of 3rd gear might not be an issue the fact that the bike missed it's shift to 6th seems to be an issue.  I have reported it to my dealer but since I live 230 miles away I have yet to get it back to them to look at, they think the shifter may be mis-adjusted but I wonder. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bisbonian on January 14, 2020, 12:51:58 PM
Just put down my deposit, flying to Austin in 2 weeks to ride it home. I guess I'll be ready for the 900 mile service as soon as I get here.
From what I've read, the dealer has to turn off the service icon? At least I have a dealership in town, who can do it.

Guy is picking up my Versys-X this weekend, so I'll have the necessary space for the V85. Another guy is supposed to come look at my 1200 Sport this week, we'll see, but that would free up the last of my space as I'm planning on the V85 to do it all.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on January 15, 2020, 10:41:01 AM
My recall notice arrived, here is a copy/paste of what I wrote on ADVrider.

My recall notice arrived in the mail yesterday.  Upshot is they plan to inspect the rear drive for leakage and if found will replace internal seals and then fit a outer seal/cover to prevent any oil from getting on the tire.  If no leakage found they will fit the outer cover.  Foot peg clips will be inspected and replaced if found defective (I think they should just replace them anyways, can't cost anything to do that).  Also listed is additional tech updates including based on VIN installing a new clutch cable guide arch, tightening the oil sump screws and sump guard screws, installing locking nuts on the lumbar support cushion and inspecting rear brake master cylinder for fluid seepage.  All those I've done myself apart for the clutch cable arch.

They are also going to do a general inspection of the bike and run the diagnostic tool to check the computers (hey they can reset my wrench light) .

Final thing is the Piaggio is going to extend the warranty an extra year so I get 3 instead of 2.

Looks like I'll be burning up the last of the Conti trail attack tires on the 500 mile round trip to get this done.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on January 15, 2020, 10:51:54 AM

They are also going to do a general inspection of the bike and run the diagnostic tool to check the computers (hey they can reset my wrench light) .

Final thing is the Piaggio is going to extend the warranty an extra year so I get 3 instead of 2.

Is all of this for free?  (well, other than your cost to get it there and back)

For warranty work (for my Griso) I've had the dealer say I would have to pay for certain inspection work and if there was an issue found that was under warranty, that specific issue would be covered (but I'd be out the inspection $$$).  So I said bye bye, and did the inspection/fix myself.  (saved about $200-$250 doing it this way)

But hoping a recall covers things 100%.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on January 15, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
Is all of this for free?  (well, other than your cost to get it there and back)

For warranty work (for my Griso) I've had the dealer say I would have to pay for certain inspection work and if there was an issue found that was under warranty, that specific issue would be covered (but I'd be out the inspection $$$).  So I said bye bye, and did the inspection/fix myself.  (saved about $200-$250 doing it this way)

But hoping a recall covers things 100%.

All free.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on January 15, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
Local (230 miles away) shop doesn't have the parts needed to do the recall so I will have to wait for awhile, they said next week maybe.
Also thinking further on the notice they actually aren't going to address the underlying cause of the leak.   If the rear drive doesn't show oil leaking they are just going to put a cover on that will I assume prevent oil from getting on the rear tire if/when it does leak.  I'd hate to have to take the bike back to get fixed if the inner seal fails sometime in the future because Moto Guzzi decided to hope the inner seals will last instead of putting an actual fix in place.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on February 02, 2020, 10:11:58 AM
Ok, how do you guys clean your bike? How do you get all of the black paint looking tickety-bo again in all of the nooks and crannies? Got my bike thoroughly filthy and have just spent 2 hours cleaning it, but I am not happy with the engine and other black bits. I have also got a manky front engine/alternator cover which is corroding along with the exhaust header nuts and a nasty looking cross over pipe with bobbles of rust - certainly not stainless! Any tips of the trade welcome. I've not really been so house proud before, but this is on PCP and it's already looking a bit second hand.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 02, 2020, 12:51:18 PM
Ok, how do you guys clean your bike? How do you get all of the black paint looking tickety-bo again in all of the nooks and crannies? Got my bike thoroughly filthy and have just spent 2 hours cleaning it, but I am not happy with the engine and other black bits. I have also got a manky front engine/alternator cover which is corroding along with the exhaust header nuts and a nasty looking cross over pipe with bobbles of rust - certainly not stainless! Any tips of the trade welcome. I've not really been so house proud before, but this is on PCP and it's already looking a bit second hand.
Are you sure it’s not stainless ?
I’m doing a full stainless system for mine, but I’m wondering if what you think is rust, is actually burnt on filth.
You may very well be right though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on February 03, 2020, 04:12:13 PM
Got my bike thoroughly filthy and have just spent 2 hours cleaning it, but I am not happy with the engine and other black bits.

My favourite to spray these bits is CRC "Wet Look" ultra gloss tyre shine.  Can't remember if it is available in the USA, but if it is, it won't be with this spelling.  There may be equivalents.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on February 04, 2020, 03:47:27 PM
Are you sure it’s not stainless?


It certainly doesn't look like any stainless I've seen before. It does look like very rusty, rusty metal.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on February 05, 2020, 05:50:39 PM
Ok, how do you guys clean your bike? How do you get all of the black paint looking tickety-bo again in all of the nooks and crannies? Got my bike thoroughly filthy and have just spent 2 hours cleaning it, but I am not happy with the engine and other black bits. I have also got a manky front engine/alternator cover which is corroding along with the exhaust header nuts and a nasty looking cross over pipe with bobbles of rust - certainly not stainless! Any tips of the trade welcome. I've not really been so house proud before, but this is on PCP and it's already looking a bit second hand.

Your post got me thinking about my V85 engine as well.  I've washed it a few times and it remained dirty with some places hard to get a brush into.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-WbQSgbv/0/1d38d1e2/X2/IMG_20200205_145100-X2.jpg)

A bit of internet searching and I found this
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-3D8wnbV/0/0f92347d/X2/IMG_20200205_145135-X2.jpg)
Which cost me $10 and seems to have enough spray to do the bike 2-3 times.  I didn't clean the bike before applying the spray so the first picture is what the bike looked like moments before trying this stuff.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-CBrNGJB/0/ac5e0c2e/X2/IMG_20200205_145418-X2.jpg)
Directions are to spray liberally (won't harm paint or electrical connections) and wait 10-15 minutes before wiping off.  You can see some excess liquid in places.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-qZdwHwH/0/755efa56/X2/IMG_20200205_151210-X2.jpg)
15 minutes later and a quick wipe down and here she be.  I'm happy with the results considering how the bike looked in the first picture taken 15 minutes before this one.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-Bc7J7KF/0/b90db3ac/X2/IMG_20200205_151538-X2.jpg)
I figure the swingarm is painted just like the engine so I gave it a spray as well.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-92PgPwv/0/9709a070/X2/IMG_20200205_152047-X2.jpg)

Will see how it looks tomorrow after the stuff has dried even more but I'm happy with what I have now.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on February 05, 2020, 06:23:37 PM
I always heard S100 WILL damage the paint on the tank, side covers, etc?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on February 05, 2020, 07:05:38 PM
Wasn't S100 a Honda product?  I doubt if they would allow their name to be used if it was going to attack the paint.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on February 05, 2020, 08:26:09 PM
The can says it is not harmful to paint.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on February 06, 2020, 07:47:14 AM
I used that on my Harley when I had it. Also used Purple Slice on the rest of the bike.  Both good products.
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on February 06, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
Looks good! I always wonder what the trade use. My last bike, a V Strom never had looked as shiny as when I saw it in the dealer's that took it after my PCP. They must use some magic potion.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 06, 2020, 01:45:42 PM
Looks good! I always wonder what the trade use. My last bike, a V Strom never had looked as shiny as when I saw it in the dealer's that took it after my PCP. They must use some magic potion.
Could be the grease that you can find on your elbow ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on February 06, 2020, 03:23:45 PM
Elbow grease is required in spades in this part of the UK, it never stops raining and the roads are covered in mud from tractors. You lot in Australia don't know you're born!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 07, 2020, 10:12:55 AM
The can says it is not harmful to paint.

And it may well not be.  However, just to compete the picture and respond to the concerns noted above, it may be worth noting that the regular S100 (Total Cycle Cleaner) is acidic and definitely attacks black plastic, turning it slightly grey.  I love the stuff regardless on wheels and elsewhere away from black plastic, and on less than pristine bikes everywhere.  I use it carefully and locally about once a year on my bikes.

Again not the same stuff, only the same S100 brand.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on February 23, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
I hope this is ok to link as some owners might find it useful.  Over on the ADVRider forums (where I post as Otterchaos) a member contacted me about making a socket tool for the rear wheel of the V85.  I had purchased another tool he made for the Stelvio front axle nut that works on the V85 as well so he knew I owned the bike.  I took measurements for him and he sent me the prototype (for free) which worked great.  He is selling them over there and I thought some of you might be interested in the tool.  I get nothing from this other than a free tool for providing the measurements.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-VdDVKDN/0/bfcc73b5/X2/IMG_20200222_154527-X2.jpg)
The rear wheel tool is on the left and front axle tool in the middle with 13mm socket for scale.

https://advrider.com/f/threads/moto-guzzi-and-others-front-axle-nut-socket.1404770/page-2#post-39436627

Apologies if this is outside forum rules.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 24, 2020, 08:12:17 PM
I belive a front fender from Aprilia Caponord 1200 Rally will fit the bracket.


(https://i.ibb.co/DVm149P/20190620-135444.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DVm149P)

Can anyone tell me what year Caponord that guard is from ?
I have a quote of $60 for a new one..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on February 24, 2020, 08:54:48 PM
Can anyone tell me what year Caponord they guard is from ?
I have a quote of $60 for a new one..!

Dunno what year, Aprilia Caponord 1200 Rally front fender is what you need, part #2B0024475.

There's also a fender extender to consider, as the Caponord fender still allows crap to plaster the front of the motor.  Get one from Pyramid Plastics, #057173. £19.50
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 25, 2020, 01:33:47 AM
Dunno what year, Aprilia Caponord 1200 Rally front fender is what you need, part #2B0024475.

There's also a fender extender to consider, as the Caponord fender still allows crap to plaster the front of the motor.  Get one from Pyramid Plastics, #057173. £19.50
You beauty....!
Thanks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on February 25, 2020, 10:45:22 AM
Huzo, the front fender is stock on a 2016 Aprilia Caponord Rally.   I have one and trial fitted it to my V85 before ordering.  $60 is a very good price.   I think I paid over $70.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 25, 2020, 01:07:47 PM
Huzo, the front fender is stock on a 2016 Aprilia Caponord Rally.   I have one and trial fitted it to my V85 before ordering.  $60 is a very good price.   I think I paid over $70.
Can you supply some shots?
Thanks also for the info.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on February 26, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
I've posted pics before but:
(https://i.ibb.co/MgxV52p/Caponord-Rally-front-fender-V85-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MgxV52p)

(https://i.ibb.co/FJ10Tds/Caponord-Rally-front-fender-V85-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJ10Tds)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: pauldaytona on February 28, 2020, 04:07:47 AM
There is a new map for the ecu, seems to solve knocking at low revs. Map name is: 7621GA15 for Eu & World, 7621GC15 for 35KW, 7621GC15 for USA, 7621GD15 for China. Your dealer can load it with PADS. If you have the cables for it, you can DIY, send me PM with Email address and what curent map is. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on February 29, 2020, 07:04:40 PM
I’m not aware of a way to search this 80 page thread specifically and I’m probably sure this has come up on here before but has anyone fitted a 17” tire to the front wheel for the street?  They all come with 19” stock, right? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: 93spada on March 01, 2020, 11:00:26 AM
I've posted pics before but:
(https://i.ibb.co/MgxV52p/Caponord-Rally-front-fender-V85-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MgxV52p)

(https://i.ibb.co/FJ10Tds/Caponord-Rally-front-fender-V85-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJ10Tds)


Is there any reason to not remove the original front fender??
That is the only thing I don't like the looks of on the bike.
Paul
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on March 01, 2020, 12:30:15 PM
Probably just a matter of taste.  I took mine off for around 20 seconds, and then replaced it.  Your tastes may vary.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on March 01, 2020, 02:13:48 PM
I’m not aware of a way to search this 80 page thread specifically and I’m probably sure this has come up on here before but has anyone fitted a 17” tire to the front wheel for the street?  They all come with 19” stock, right?

I've kept up with this thread and the one over at ADVRider and can't remember anyone fitting a smaller rim.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on March 01, 2020, 03:56:21 PM
Is there any reason to not remove the original front fender??
That is the only thing I don't like the looks of on the bike.
Paul

Removing the original mudguard will leave a gaping void in the bikes profile aesthetic.  Somewhere on this site (probably within this increasingly unwieldy thread) is a pair of photographs showing just that:  a fuglied-up V85 with said original front mudguard removed.

But don't take my word for it.  Try it yourself.  One person's aesthetic depravity may very well be another's cuteness & beauty.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 02, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
I’m not aware of a way to search this 80 page thread specifically and I’m probably sure this has come up on here before but has anyone fitted a 17” tire to the front wheel for the street?  They all come with 19” stock, right?

Just have the stock front hub relaced with a 17-inch rim.  Lots of places to send your hub to.  Buchanan's, Woody's, etc.

Remove your front wheel.  Remove the brake rotors.  Cut the spokes.  Send the bare hub.  They'll send you a wheel back with the rim and spokes of your choice laced to your hub.  remount your brake rotors. mount and balance new tire.  Install new wheel on your bike.

https://woodyswheelworks.com/

http://www.buchananspokes.com/categories/rims.asp

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on March 06, 2020, 11:29:51 AM
I have not yet purchased a new V85TT and this recall has me a bit concerned.  Does it have anything to do with the low level reported in some rear differentials or something similar?

"My" dealer is over 300 miles away and I need to know this bike can be trusted for lots of summer riding miles.  Can anyone post a copy of the recall notice?  Do dealers now effect this repair before you take delivery of a new bike?  This last part is the most important one.

NC


My recall notice arrived, here is a copy/paste of what I wrote on ADVrider.

My recall notice arrived in the mail yesterday.  Upshot is they plan to inspect the rear drive for leakage and if found will replace internal seals and then fit a outer seal/cover to prevent any oil from getting on the tire.  If no leakage found they will fit the outer cover.  Foot peg clips will be inspected and replaced if found defective (I think they should just replace them anyways, can't cost anything to do that).  Also listed is additional tech updates including based on VIN installing a new clutch cable guide arch, tightening the oil sump screws and sump guard screws, installing locking nuts on the lumbar support cushion and inspecting rear brake master cylinder for fluid seepage.  All those I've done myself apart for the clutch cable arch.

They are also going to do a general inspection of the bike and run the diagnostic tool to check the computers (hey they can reset my wrench light) .

Final thing is the Piaggio is going to extend the warranty an extra year so I get 3 instead of 2.

Looks like I'll be burning up the last of the Conti trail attack tires on the 500 mile round trip to get this done.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 06, 2020, 01:02:22 PM
This recall, even though it doesn't affect me, sounds like an over reaction to a minor problem. Maybe the seal fails in a catastrophic fashion suddenly dumping a load of oil on the rear tire possibly causing a dangerous situation. However all of the seal failures I have experienced or seen usually happen over time resulting in a slow leak or weep. Shouldn't riders inspect their bikes on a regular basis to discover this kind of problem in a timely manner? I just discovered a screw in my rear tire that wasn't even scratched up yet, I caught it within a day or so of its entry. (Nearly new tire also, dammit.) Anyway I think MG is just covering its butt. Of course, as usual, I am most likely wrong.
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on March 06, 2020, 01:17:36 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-7ssS6Tw/0/665bca99/X2/IMG_20200115_123227-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-LKFTZVt/0/4788dcd5/X2/IMG_20200115_123423-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-XvM3ksB/0/0d9795eb/X2/IMG_20200115_123454-X2.jpg)

My recall notice.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on March 06, 2020, 01:55:28 PM
Sounds like MG is on their A game and more importantly, a new bike can be ridden away from the dealer knowing the issue has been handled and won't require a separate trip to the dealer.

Thanks.

NC
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 06, 2020, 04:05:37 PM
I have 4,000 miles on mine and have not encountered either of these problems or any other for that matter. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on March 06, 2020, 04:42:38 PM
I have 4,000 miles on mine and have not encountered either of these problems or any other for that matter.

14,000 on mine and I did have the left side rider peg clip break (or fell off I only noticed it was missing) but my final drive never leaked.

Below is a picture I took months ago of the final drive without the recall work done.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-KJQ7LnC/0/2d94b0a0/X2/IMG_20190731_125818-X2.jpg)

And here it is after the recall work.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-5jHG4zK/0/4ced34de/X2/IMG_20200222_121706-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 06, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Hmmm..
Dealers...!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on March 06, 2020, 05:00:10 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-7ssS6Tw/0/665bca99/X2/IMG_20200115_123227-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-LKFTZVt/0/4788dcd5/X2/IMG_20200115_123423-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/V85TT/i-XvM3ksB/0/0d9795eb/X2/IMG_20200115_123454-X2.jpg)

My recall notice.





It makes me love the breed even more :).......btw never call anyone a paesano
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 06, 2020, 05:02:12 PM
Agreed..!
Improves the level of understanding and involvement and I like it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Numbercruncher on March 06, 2020, 05:26:01 PM
If you get the bike clean to your satisfaction, coat the engine with ACF-50.  This will make it shine like new and make the next clean up job way easier.

NC


Ok, how do you guys clean your bike? How do you get all of the black paint looking tickety-bo again in all of the nooks and crannies? Got my bike thoroughly filthy and have just spent 2 hours cleaning it, but I am not happy with the engine and other black bits. I have also got a manky front engine/alternator cover which is corroding along with the exhaust header nuts and a nasty looking cross over pipe with bobbles of rust - certainly not stainless! Any tips of the trade welcome. I've not really been so house proud before, but this is on PCP and it's already looking a bit second hand.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jmee54 on March 07, 2020, 02:03:42 PM
I've not heard of this extended warranty in the UK - probably due to Brexit!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on March 07, 2020, 02:32:09 PM
Cerakoted the bash plate and header shields black.  New stainless fasteners.  Seems to blend nicely.


(https://i.ibb.co/FJ7m7yZ/AFE97636-8-E7-D-45-AF-8-CF6-B1437-CE67125.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJ7m7yZ)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on March 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
that......looks much better than stock .....Nice
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on March 09, 2020, 08:19:59 AM
I'd like to see a picture of your whole bike with the coated shields to see the entire effect.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on March 09, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
I'd like to see a picture of your whole bike with the coated shields to see the entire effect.

Will do, when I get home.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: frans belgium on March 10, 2020, 05:41:21 AM
Is there any reason to not remove the original front fender??
That is the only thing I don't like the looks of on the bike.
Paul

This is mine.  Caponord 1200 fender and Pyramid extension.

(https://i.ibb.co/tXmRmgf/2020-02-21-13-50-13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tXmRmgf)

Now I'm looking to reproduce the red/white/black striping of the original guards.  I contacted a wrapper and a painter.  Both were quite reluctant. 
Wrappers seem to have only limited choice of colours and painting seems not that easy.  And myself, I am afraid of using rattle cans
Now I'm thinking of stickers in the right colour.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: keener on March 10, 2020, 10:54:42 AM
This is mine.  Caponord 1200 fender and Pyramid extension.

(https://i.ibb.co/tXmRmgf/2020-02-21-13-50-13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tXmRmgf)

Now I'm looking to reproduce the red/white/black striping of the original guards.  I contacted a wrapper and a painter.  Both were quite reluctant. 
Wrappers seem to have only limited choice of colours and painting seems not that easy.  And myself, I am afraid of using rattle cans
Now I'm thinking of stickers in the right colour.


Looks just fine without any striping ....IMO  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on March 10, 2020, 06:54:41 PM
I like the Pyramid extension - my next addition as the front of the motor still gets junk thrown on it by the tire.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on March 10, 2020, 09:02:00 PM
Cerakoted the bash plate and header shields black.  New stainless fasteners.  Seems to blend nicely.


(https://i.ibb.co/FJ7m7yZ/AFE97636-8-E7-D-45-AF-8-CF6-B1437-CE67125.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJ7m7yZ)


Your picture inspired me today to paint my bash plate and header shields satin black.  I used a rattle can, and applied several coats.

Not a long term solution, and I still intend to cerakote them when the depths of winter arrive.  Still a long way away (I hope!).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on March 11, 2020, 03:14:51 PM
when the depths of winter arrive.  Still a long way away (I hope!).

You and me both Dave! :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 11, 2020, 08:57:35 PM
Your picture inspired me today to paint my bash plate and header shields satin black.  I used a rattle can, and applied several coats.

Not a long term solution, and I still intend to cerakote them when the depths of winter arrive.  Still a long way away (I hope!).
I hated those things from the first moment I saw them..
Mine are in the bin..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on March 12, 2020, 09:11:12 AM
I hated those things from the first moment I saw them..
Mine are in the bin..!

I am well aware.  I like them, much better in black.  Remember I offered to in-bin them for you?  Is shipping to NJ to prohibitive?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 12, 2020, 06:14:31 PM
I am well aware.  I like them, much better in black.  Remember I offered to in-bin them for you?  Is shipping to NJ to prohibitive?
Dunno mate.
What price did you get ? You can have them no charge if you pay shipping..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on March 12, 2020, 09:08:00 PM
If Cam3512 doesn't respond, I'd be willing to pay the shipping for sending them to me in Auckland.

This means I could arrange the Cerakote, and still stay on the road.  Drop me a PM with an Oz bank account number.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 13, 2020, 12:28:10 AM
If Cam3512 doesn't respond, I'd be willing to pay the shipping for sending them to me in Auckland.

This means I could arrange the Cerakote, and still stay on the road.  Drop me a PM with an Oz bank account number.
Ok
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 13, 2020, 02:47:57 AM
If Cam3512 doesn't respond, I'd be willing to pay the shipping for sending them to me in Auckland.

This means I could arrange the Cerakote, and still stay on the road.  Drop me a PM with an Oz bank account number.
Leave it to me.
Send me an address and I’ll get them to you. If you make a donation to the forum, that’ll do... :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on March 13, 2020, 06:11:00 PM
Cam3512,
Pic of entire bike with blackened cat shield?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on March 13, 2020, 06:28:26 PM
Cam3512,
Pic of entire bike with blackened cat shield?

Best I can do know with it parked in the garage.  Note the new tidy Agostini "Y" pipe.  If not quite good enough, you'll have to wait until I have it out for a ride to get some better shots.


(https://i.ibb.co/f0BM7Zm/54904-AD7-9569-4-C23-B97-B-ECA0-B2-F18691.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f0BM7Zm)

(https://i.ibb.co/vm3yLsL/9-C22-E2-DF-938-E-4-E40-BAD0-E925981387-EF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vm3yLsL)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on March 14, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
Thanks  for the additional pictures, Cam3512 it helps to see the overall look.   Looks like I'll be a copy cat :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on April 05, 2020, 08:30:40 AM
V85TT travel just arrived at the local dealer --woohoo!   Trying to work a deal to get one.  Dealer is closed now, does anyone know for sure if this model (Travel) has a center stand?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 05, 2020, 09:24:04 AM
Cadre got one a few months ago.  I don't think I saw a center stand.  It looked good.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on April 05, 2020, 01:55:51 PM
V85TT travel just arrived at the local dealer --woohoo!   Trying to work a deal to get one.  Dealer is closed now, does anyone know for sure if this model (Travel) has a center stand?

You guys are killing me. The last time I talked to a saleman at the dealership a couple of months ago he didn't know anything about it or even heard about the Traveler. Why are dealerships so lame?    :angry:
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on April 05, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
V85TT travel just arrived at the local dealer --woohoo!   Trying to work a deal to get one.  Dealer is closed now, does anyone know for sure if this model (Travel) has a center stand?

If it doesn't, it will be available as an optional extra.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moto Vita on April 05, 2020, 04:57:30 PM
You guys are killing me. The last time I talked to a saleman at the dealership a couple of months ago he didn't know anything about it or even heard about the Traveler. Why are dealerships so lame?    :angry:
kk

 Don't forget that some of us don't even have local Guzzi dealers.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bisbonian on April 05, 2020, 05:29:57 PM
V85TT travel just arrived at the local dealer --woohoo!   Trying to work a deal to get one.  Dealer is closed now, does anyone know for sure if this model (Travel) has a center stand?

If not, try to make it part of the deal. When I bought mine, the center stand was $146 with free installation. I didn't even think twice about it as I knew I was going to get one at some point anyway.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 05, 2020, 05:35:26 PM
If not, try to make it part of the deal. When I bought mine, the center stand was $146 with free installation. I didn't even think twice about it as I knew I was going to get one at some point anyway.
Yep..
After peeling off $20,000 for the bike, I dragged out the plastic and asked could I now purchase the rest of it please ?
About another $8,000 later I think I’m almost there..(pretty expensive trail bike...!)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on April 05, 2020, 07:03:43 PM
This is starting to sound like a Harley thread. I think the Harely accessory catalogue is probably aa thousand pages. They probably add 25% to the price of every bike thet sell with add ons.   :popcorn:
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on April 06, 2020, 07:07:45 PM
If you wanted to limit the garage to one, two at the most, would the V85 be the one?
 Please read the "preface" to my question before answering. I'm 70 years old, have been riding since I was 14, Got my first Guzzi in'84 an SPNT. Guzzi has been my primary ride since then with the occasional Duc along the way. My last Guzzi was a Stelvio which I liked a lot but it ultimately was too tall, heavy and problem riddled. Currently I have 2 Ducati's: a '97 sssp and an '05 st4s. Both great fun bikes but I miss Guzzi and shaft drive. The ST is a really comfortable, capable bike and the SS is just old school visceral fun. A V85 would probably replace the ST first, and, if it checked all the right boxes, maybe the SS as well. I live in Maine and our paved roads are rougher than most, plus we have a lot of gravel roads that neither the ST nor the SS are well suited for. Were I younger or still as strong as I was back in "the day" I might still have the Stelvio. Anyway, please share your thoughts if you are so inclined.
Thanks,
Steve M
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on April 07, 2020, 07:44:13 AM
If you wanted to limit the garage to one, two at the most, would the V85 be the one?
 Please read the "preface" to my question before answering. I'm 70 years old, have been riding since I was 14, Got my first Guzzi in'84 an SPNT. Guzzi has been my primary ride since then with the occasional Duc along the way. My last Guzzi was a Stelvio which I liked a lot but it ultimately was too tall, heavy and problem riddled. Currently I have 2 Ducati's: a '97 sssp and an '05 st4s. Both great fun bikes but I miss Guzzi and shaft drive. The ST is a really comfortable, capable bike and the SS is just old school visceral fun. A V85 would probably replace the ST first, and, if it checked all the right boxes, maybe the SS as well. I live in Maine and our paved roads are rougher than most, plus we have a lot of gravel roads that neither the ST nor the SS are well suited for. Were I younger or still as strong as I was back in "the day" I might still have the Stelvio. Anyway, please share your thoughts if you are so inclined.
Thanks,
Steve M

I can tell you that the V85TT does feel pretty light, it must have a low center of gravity, and only weighs about 500 lbs.  Plus, it is pretty slender in the seat area so it does not "feel" big when sitting on it.  I think you would be very happy with it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on April 07, 2020, 02:13:06 PM
I can tell you that the V85TT does feel pretty light, it must have a low center of gravity, and only weighs about 500 lbs.  Plus, it is pretty slender in the seat area so it does not "feel" big when sitting on it.  I think you would be very happy with it.

I will agree, The V85TT is incredibly nimble and carries itself as a feather weight. What is even more remarkable is when you take the aluminum saddle bags off. The bike really begins to feel small. Unlike my Breva where I don't notice when the bags are on, taking these off really makes the bike feel a lot smaller than it's 500 lbs would suggest. It is good enough to be the only bike in the garage but for now mine will be sharing digs with the Breva.

Skippy
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on April 07, 2020, 04:38:21 PM
Thanks Gents! I'll be glad when I can make the trek to the nearest dealer over in New Hampshire. For now I'll just have to dig through the previous 80 pages of this thread. Lock down here in rural Maine seems very strange, but, understandable I guess. Hope you all are staying safe,
SM
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 07, 2020, 04:42:11 PM
I just got off mine.  I love it more each time I ride it.  I took my winter ugly shield off and put on the stock shield a few weeks ago and instead of the metal top case, just using a small soft bag.  It does feel much smaller and about 10hp stronger and gets 55 mpg.  With winter shield and bags, high 40s in mileage.  But in the cold, the winter shield is worth it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Faisal on May 16, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
So, a few posts on page 78 or 79, can't remember exactly, I mentioned some issues with my clutch and how 'weak' it seems, especially off-road.

Yesterday, I was teaching giving my younger brother some beginner classes on bike riding, and the clutch started making this HORRIBLE sound immediately after cranking the engine, while idle.

I would just like to mention that up to this point, my younger brother did not crank the engine, so he has not touched the clutch at that point, so he didn't do anything.

I don't know if you can hear the sound of the clutch, maybe with earphones / headphones it might be clearer.

What do you think it is? Shot bearing?

I have spoken to my dealer previously about the clutch and how there is something wrong with it but I just can't place my finger on it. They have taken a few test rides on it, but obviously they don't ride the bike as much as I do and so they will never experience what I experience on a daily basis.

Here are the links to the 2 clips I took of the sound:


https://youtu.be/ttyoJwN2JlI

https://youtu.be/dTSIST_9080
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on May 16, 2020, 01:45:02 PM
my hearing isn't what it used to be.  because the clutch is dry, there is a certain amount of rattle while idling with the clutch disengaged.  i could not hear well enough while the bike was moving.  someone more astute than me will be along.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Caffeineo on May 16, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
My best guess...what about an exhaust shield or other piece a bit loose and rattling????
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Marquezdl on May 25, 2020, 04:19:00 PM
I am new here, I have a triumph tiger 800 XrT that I plan to trade towards a V85 TT.
I looked here, but could not find a definitive answer to the question of a center stand on the TT.  Can anyone answer that for US models?
Also, will either of the sidecases take a full face helmet?
Lastly, does MG offer a factory anti-theft immobilizer system?
Thanks....hope to be riding a new V85 TT sometime in June!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kitze on May 25, 2020, 04:24:53 PM
I am new here, I have a triumph tiger 800 XrT that I plan to trade towards a V85 TT.
I looked here, but could not find a definitive answer to the question of a center stand on the TT.  Can anyone answer that for US models?
Also, will either of the sidecases take a full face helmet?
Lastly, does MG offer a factory anti-theft immobilizer system?
Thanks....hope to be riding a new V85 TT sometime in June!
center stand is an option.
The top case will fit a helmet gloves and a few small items at the same time. Side case won’t take a full face. Not sure about a half face. But doubt it’ll fit in the side cases either.
I believe there is an alarm available. Has standard coded Keyes with imobilizer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Marquezdl on May 26, 2020, 01:55:59 PM
Thanks.  I am confused though.  The nearest dealer stated the exhaust side pannier will not hold a helmet, but the other side would take a full face.
What grade of fuel y’all running?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on May 26, 2020, 02:06:41 PM
Thanks.  I am confused though.  The nearest dealer stated the exhaust side pannier will not hold a helmet, but the other side would take a full face.
What grade of fuel y’all running?

not even a flip face in the side case. once you step up from regular you might as well run premium or 1/2 & 1/2 if your really cheap.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on May 26, 2020, 02:09:56 PM
Just went out and checked - the larger pannier will not hold either a full or open face helmet. The top case will hold a full face, but not much else.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jayell on May 26, 2020, 02:30:24 PM
Thanks.  I am confused though.  The nearest dealer stated the exhaust side pannier will not hold a helmet, but the other side would take a full face.
What grade of fuel y’all running?

I'm certain the right side Urban case (the plastic ones) will fit a full face helmet.

Guzzi calls for 95 RON fuel. That's about 91 AKI in Canada and the USA.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Marquezdl on May 26, 2020, 02:36:52 PM
So the plastic cases and premium.
Any of you here actually riding around on the TT Travel as of now?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kitze on May 26, 2020, 02:49:11 PM
Is the Travel version even out yet?
To the best of my knowledge the plastic cases aren’t available in the US. They’re called Urban cases in Europe I believe.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on May 26, 2020, 03:13:23 PM
the Charlotte dealer had about 4 travels on the floor 2-3 weeks ago. didn't look close but I think that bags narrower.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on May 26, 2020, 03:13:52 PM
Yes. Elk Grove Power Sports has one in stock.
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kitze on May 26, 2020, 04:55:37 PM
Yes. Elk Grove Power Sports has one in stock.
kk
Well shoot. See what happens when ya don’t leave the house for two months! Glad Elk Grove is back in the fold. Last year they told me they weren't sure.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on May 26, 2020, 05:31:15 PM
i want to post something for tt owners to be careful of.  the metal that the ignition key is made of is pretty soft.  i have managed to bend one of my 2 keys enough that i would hesitate to use it lest it break off.  don't test it out to see but take my word for it and treat it gently.  for an otherwise superb bike, this is a lousy shortcoming.  i think the keys are chipped, must come from the old world and are expensive.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on May 26, 2020, 06:36:22 PM
i want to post something for tt owners to be careful of.  the metal that the ignition key is made of is pretty soft.  i have managed to bend one of my 2 keys enough that i would hesitate to use it lest it break off.  don't test it out to see but take my word for it and treat it gently.  for an otherwise superb bike, this is a lousy shortcoming.  i think the keys are chipped, must come from the old world and are expensive.

Can confirm, bent my key without even trying so now it is my backup and I think I'll order another spare if I can get it coded to the bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on May 27, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Can confirm, bent my key without even trying so now it is my backup and I think I'll order another spare if I can get it coded to the bike.

With the key in the ignition there is very little clearance between handle bars and the key. And with the leverage available with the bars it takes no effort to bend a key. The short story is you don't want anything extra on your key ring. Mine is nothing more than the bike key, the saddle bag key and a ring to join them. Anything more and you run the risk of bending it under the weight of the bars.

Skippy
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on May 27, 2020, 11:15:00 AM
my bent key came either putting on or taking off the side cases,  it is also very tight in there too.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Zinfan on May 27, 2020, 10:03:58 PM
my bent key came either putting on or taking off the side cases,  it is also very tight in there too.

And again that is what happened to mine, it got caught between the case and rack and bent.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on May 27, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
So the plastic cases and premium.
Any of you here actually riding around on the TT Travel as of now?

I have the travel, I have read that a helmet will fit the right hand side.  I can go check if you want.

It is a GREAT bike!

And yes, high test gas for sure, that is what the manual says.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on May 27, 2020, 10:19:18 PM
So, a few posts on page 78 or 79, can't remember exactly, I mentioned some issues with my clutch and how 'weak' it seems, especially off-road.

Yesterday, I was teaching giving my younger brother some beginner classes on bike riding, and the clutch started making this HORRIBLE sound immediately after cranking the engine, while idle.

I would just like to mention that up to this point, my younger brother did not crank the engine, so he has not touched the clutch at that point, so he didn't do anything.

I don't know if you can hear the sound of the clutch, maybe with earphones / headphones it might be clearer.

What do you think it is? Shot bearing?

I have spoken to my dealer previously about the clutch and how there is something wrong with it but I just can't place my finger on it. They have taken a few test rides on it, but obviously they don't ride the bike as much as I do and so they will never experience what I experience on a daily basis.

Here are the links to the 2 clips I took of the sound:


https://youtu.be/ttyoJwN2JlI

https://youtu.be/dTSIST_9080

The second one definitely sounds like an exhaust shield or maybe even a bash plate vibrating.  I would take a rubber mallet or similar, or a stick of wood and push against those bash plates, see if the noise stops.  Be careful of the heat.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on May 28, 2020, 12:17:08 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/6yB3b7N/IMG-20200528-130658.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6yB3b7N)







(https://i.ibb.co/jVwr46s/IMG-20200528-130702.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jVwr46s)

(https://i.ibb.co/HHkmvfx/IMG-20200528-130725.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HHkmvfx)

(https://i.ibb.co/6WCqj23/IMG-20200528-130743.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6WCqj23)

(https://i.ibb.co/5nvzQsY/IMG-20200528-130748.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5nvzQsY)
I have the travel, I have read that a helmet will fit the right hand side.  I can go check if you want.

It is a GREAT bike!

And yes, high test gas for sure, that is what the manual says.

Looks like the helmet (shoei as pictured) fits in the RH bag just fine!  2020 V85TT Travel stock model
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Marquezdl on May 28, 2020, 01:46:43 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/6yB3b7N/IMG-20200528-130658.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6yB3b7N)







(https://i.ibb.co/jVwr46s/IMG-20200528-130702.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jVwr46s)

(https://i.ibb.co/HHkmvfx/IMG-20200528-130725.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HHkmvfx)

(https://i.ibb.co/6WCqj23/IMG-20200528-130743.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6WCqj23)

(https://i.ibb.co/5nvzQsY/IMG-20200528-130748.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5nvzQsY)

Looks like the helmet (shoei as pictured) fits in the RH bag just fine!  2020 V85TT Travel stock model


Beautiful...enjoy!  Thanks for the pics and reply!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on May 28, 2020, 01:53:11 PM
Question about the LED shift indicator lights on the dash-
I am just finishing the break in (1000mi) and the lights were a gentle reminder not to rev it too high.  Are they set that low from the factory for break in reasons or because they are encouraging shifting at lower rpm (better mileage?).  Anyhow, now I am going to find them annoying if I run the revs up.  I know I can change the limit-  just curious about the rational on where they are set from the factory.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bisbonian on May 28, 2020, 02:06:51 PM
Question about the LED shift indicator lights on the dash-
I am just finishing the break in (1000mi) and the lights were a gentle reminder not to rev it too high.  Are they set that low from the factory for break in reasons or because they are encouraging shifting at lower rpm (better mileage?).  Anyhow, now I am going to find them annoying if I run the revs up.  I know I can change the limit-  just curious about the rational on where they are set from the factory.

You can change where these lights come on in the dash menu.
I don't remember the procedure, but it is definitely in the owners manual.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on May 28, 2020, 02:07:32 PM
Go ahead and adjust them to the max. They were set low from the factory as a gentle reminder to keep the revs low during run in.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on May 28, 2020, 03:34:38 PM
I did the opposite.  I lowered the rev point slightly so they start to display when I am 10 kM over the speed limit here.  As I go faster, the colours change from orange to red, and then start flashing when I hit 140 kM (on a closed road, of course  :police: :cry:).

It's so easy to go faster on this bike without noticing it.  I'm planning to keep my licence.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on May 28, 2020, 06:40:06 PM
Thanks- that's what I thought.

Dave...I live in Missouri for better or worse.  Around here- and I promise that I am not making this up- if I get a ticket for speeding, I can hire a lawyer to get the charge reduced to a parking fine.  There is an entire business built around this.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on May 29, 2020, 08:51:35 AM
Back to the subject of bent keys.  This morning, I did it again to my good key.  I was able to very carefully bend it back with a pipe wrench.  I called Enzo and he confirmed that locking those side cases has caused a few bent keys.  Then I got the shock of my life when he told me that 2 chipped replacement keys were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.wait for it}}}}}}}}}}}}}not $200, not $150, but $55.00.  Now, they come blank and unprogrammed so you take them to the key cutter and then use the 5 digit code to program them yourself.  It is so inexpensive and so reasonable, it can't be Guzzi.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jayell on May 30, 2020, 10:50:35 PM
Now, they come blank and unprogrammed so you take them to the key cutter and then use the 5 digit code to program them yourself.

Five digit key code? Are you referring to the metal tag that originally comes with the keys? Mine is only four digits.

And how, specifically please, does one program the replacement key(s)?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on May 31, 2020, 02:11:43 AM
No, they are talking about the user code, which is originally set to 5 zeros.  If you are not the original owner, you should ask the previous owner for the user code (or perhaps your dealer entered one for you).

Detailed instructions on programming the replacement keys is covered in the workshop manual, specifically starts on page 62.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jayell on May 31, 2020, 03:11:57 AM
No, they are talking about the user code, which is originally set to 5 zeros.  If you are not the original owner, you should ask the previous owner for the user code (or perhaps your dealer entered one for you).

Detailed instructions on programming the replacement keys is covered in the workshop manual, specifically starts on page 62.

Okay, I get it. Thanks.

However, according to the service manual, one cannot program new keys without the Guzzi diagnostic tool.

"To carry out the one or more key programming procedures, up to a maximum of four, you must connect the motorcycle to the diagnostic tool."
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on May 31, 2020, 07:01:11 AM
Perfect weather in my region yesterday (and today too) great ride on the V85 yesterday in the northern kentucky area of some very twisty roads.  had my bike, a v7 III, gold wing, intercepter, big 4 cyl kawi road bike - not sure which model, a honda nc700, 5 speed, and finally a scorpion f3.  strange looking crew, but great riding ending with great bar-b-que. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on May 31, 2020, 07:46:52 AM
the side cases use a seperate key so how does the ignition key get bent on them.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 31, 2020, 08:29:57 AM
Like a lot of my predecessors, I have seen some ambiguity in the terminology of my V85 manual.
For the purpose of this post, may I refer to the parts of the drive train as follows..
The bit that has the pistons that go up and down and goes “bang” once per revolution as the “engine”
The bit that has the gear lever hanging off as the “gearbox”
The bit that has the crown wheel and pinion as the “bevel box.”
Now..
The “engine” takes 10W60 up to a suitable level in the sight glass..
The “gearbox” takes 700 ml of 75 W 140...
The”bevel box” takes 160 ml of 75W 140...
Is that correct ?
Seems a lot of oil in the gearbox considering my Norge takes 500 ml max..
Also, where is the vent in the bevelbox ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: giusto on May 31, 2020, 09:29:36 AM
Has anyone seen one of these come up for sale used?

being this is the second year, I thought there might be someone that didn't like what they bought or had to sell for some reason or another.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on May 31, 2020, 03:17:17 PM
Huzo, the amounts sound right but they now call for synthetic oil only. the old 1100 used 1 Liter in the 5 speed so did the 2015 V7 if I remember right so it's right in between.
the V85 doesn't have a oil pump in the 6 speed like the V7III does either so I expect that's the reason for a bit more oil. also I think they went to 18000 mile change intervals.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on May 31, 2020, 04:05:30 PM
There was a lot of discussion re gearbox oil levels when the bike was first released.  If I'm allowed to refer to another forum, it is covered here.

https://guzzitech.com/forums/threads/v85tt-nhtsa-recall-notices.20219/

I'm yet to change my gearbox oil, I haven't reached 30,000 kM yet.  I was advised not to do it earlier, or the bits might not bed in properly, and the warranty might not be honoured.  Dealer's words, not mine.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 31, 2020, 04:54:16 PM
Ok then..
I changed my oils at 1,000 k with Motul 10 W 60 for the engine and Penrite 75 W 140 for the ‘box and bevels.
I could not get the 75 W 140 in Motul.
I litre you said for the V7 ? That sounds like a lot..
For 13 years I’ve taken a 1 litre bottle and upended half in the ‘box and half in the bevels for my Norge.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on May 31, 2020, 05:06:24 PM
Yet my dealer (a good one) insisted on changing ALL oils at the FIRST service.  Said it was silly to wait for 18K MILES to change tranny and rear for the first time.  I agree.  Zero effect on the warranty.

I'm quickly approaching my second service.  Looks like that one calls for an air filter change.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 31, 2020, 05:10:57 PM
Yet my dealer (a good one) insisted on changing ALL oils at the FIRST service.  Said it was silly to wait for 18K MILES to change tranny and rear for the first time.  I agree.  Zero effect on the warranty.

I'm quickly approaching my second service.  Looks like that one calls for an air filter change.
Absolutely.
I will never believe otherwise.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 31, 2020, 05:25:55 PM
Where is the vent in the bevelbox ?
Is it under the rubber cover  plug in the top ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on May 31, 2020, 05:39:36 PM
I can't see any vent on mine.  Are you talking about those two hard rubber bungs at 9 o'clock and 10 o'clock (approx)?  Doesn't look like anything can vent out of these.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 31, 2020, 07:21:07 PM
There’s a removable rubber bung about the same shape as a low lying Pacific Island.
I do believe that the vent may be underneath...( the bung, not the island...)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on May 31, 2020, 07:45:36 PM
Dave, I think the one's you are indicating are plastic protectors for a couple of threaded holes in the casting.
Huzo has it-  the vent is under a removable rubber bung at 12 o'clock.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 31, 2020, 11:21:33 PM
Dave, I think the one's you are indicating are plastic protectors for a couple of threaded holes in the casting.
Huzo has it-  the vent is under a removable rubber bung at 12 o'clock.
Thank you JRT..
It was my only guess...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on June 01, 2020, 06:15:48 AM
the side cases use a seperate key so how does the ignition key get bent on them.

My factory side cases (TT TRAVEL) are keyed same as ignition
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on June 01, 2020, 03:53:32 PM
many people, at least me, keep the keys on one ring.  When closing the cases, the case key must be inserted to be able to snap onto the carrier.  unfortunately, the ignition key can get fouled in the locking mechanism and because the metal is so soft, easily become distorted as pressure is applied to lock the case in place.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on June 01, 2020, 04:31:19 PM
Could a locksmith fix those locks so the key could be removed without locking them?  I would like to be able to lock things up at my discretion.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on June 01, 2020, 05:02:10 PM
Dave, I think the one's you are indicating are plastic protectors for a couple of threaded holes in the casting.
Huzo has it-  the vent is under a removable rubber bung at 12 o'clock.

Hmmm, I can't find any removable bung at12 o'clock.

We are talking about the bevel box at the rear wheel, right?  Not the gearbox?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on June 01, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
Wait!  I've just found it.  I'd shined up the bevel box and the rubber bung, so it was hard to see in the poor garage lighting.

Thanks, guys.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 01, 2020, 05:25:53 PM
Hmmm, I can't find any removable bung at12 o'clock.
Did you try 12 o’clock midday instead of 12 o’clock midnight Dave ?
Maybe that’s why it was hard to see... :whip2: :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jayell on June 04, 2020, 11:14:34 PM
I've posted this elsewhere; thought it might be useful here, too.

Here's another horn alternative, a Denali SoundBomb Split Dual Tone Air horn, salvaged from my old Triumph Tiger.

It's a large unit, so mounting is a real challenge. This is a split horn; the compressor and horn itself are separate pieces, connected by an air hose. It may be installed as one piece, or each component in a different location. There are no ready made mounting kits or brackets available for the V85, so you're on your own. Install any way you can, anywhere you like.

I'd already disabled the EVAP canister (so have you, right?), and found this an ideal spot for the compressor, so the canister has been removed. The horn was a bit more tricky, but it can be squeezed in beneath the seat, at the rear of the fuel tank. It's a very tight fit; you'll have to cut the battery cover and fabricate a mounting bracket to make it all work. See the photos.

Wire it yourself, or buy the Denali plug 'n play kit. Whichever you choose, a relay must be used.

This horn is big and ugly, and I wanted it out of sight. Despite being under the seat, it's still plenty loud, not muffled in any way, and is protected from the elements.

https://www.twistedthrottle.com/denali-soundbomb-split-dual-tone-air-horn

https://www.twistedthrottle.com/plug-n-play-wiring-kit-for-stebel-compact-nautilus-airhorns

Listen: https://youtu.be/raba71u_NaQ


(https://i.ibb.co/ZGZ1ZtT/101966639-3080619155336015-6860648297544024064-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZGZ1ZtT) (https://i.ibb.co/Gsd9pJN/79421286-3080619235336007-5575632857545572352-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gsd9pJN) (https://i.ibb.co/997Vb3f/101978453-3080619358669328-9033479554034827264-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/997Vb3f) (https://i.ibb.co/MGPkNvL/101832058-3080619548669309-4618045095466237952-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MGPkNvL) (https://i.ibb.co/WtNq0t3/102873750-3080619695335961-3836269564790833152-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WtNq0t3) (https://i.ibb.co/RjW75zz/102867962-3080619892002608-5164164214515826688-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RjW75zz) (https://i.ibb.co/g6zzZ7R/102681450-3080619982002599-1245237858084585472-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g6zzZ7R) (https://i.ibb.co/zZs2CCW/102406217-3080620132002584-2717147846485737472-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zZs2CCW) (https://i.ibb.co/GfZk4P3/78060937-3080620368669227-3349791766067806208-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GfZk4P3) (https://i.ibb.co/vs69Ccy/82894763-3080620512002546-8987127077270454272-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vs69Ccy) (https://i.ibb.co/dkJz1cV/101884321-3080620625335868-6160780477557899264-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dkJz1cV) (https://i.ibb.co/GMbjM3f/101868555-3080620718669192-6650536882516000768-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GMbjM3f) (https://i.ibb.co/zmcptZX/103042845-3080620785335852-9181475854947975168-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zmcptZX) (https://i.ibb.co/pQN3gLc/101663200-3080620878669176-6732700586141024256-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pQN3gLc) (https://i.ibb.co/prZ5pb7/78049572-3080620198669244-2251806651273183232-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/prZ5pb7) (https://i.ibb.co/jbsbczk/101749769-3080621032002494-7057132593090658304-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jbsbczk)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on June 05, 2020, 10:12:39 AM
I just want a simple plug and play with at least 115DB. trouble is with the crash bars there isn't room for the 4" common one and I don't have driving light mounts.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jayell on June 05, 2020, 10:40:24 AM
I just want a simple plug and play with at least 115DB. trouble is with the crash bars there isn't room for the 4" common one and I don't have driving light mounts.

Check the fit again. A number of folks, who have the Guzzi bars, have installed 100mm horns bought from their local wrecker.

If you want to use the threaded driving light holes, can't you fab your own simple bracket?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bisbonian on June 05, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
I just want a simple plug and play with at least 115DB. trouble is with the crash bars there isn't room for the 4" common one and I don't have driving light mounts.

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=105472.0
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on June 06, 2020, 07:07:06 AM
Check the fit again. A number of folks, who have the Guzzi bars, have installed 100mm horns bought from their local wrecker.

If you want to use the threaded driving light holes, can't you fab your own simple bracket?

I haven't seen driving lights mounted on a bike yet and don't see an empty bracket anywhere. Pic anyone?
I really don't want a gargantuan horn sticking out.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jayell on June 06, 2020, 07:25:04 AM
I haven't seen driving lights mounted on a bike yet and don't see an empty bracket anywhere. Pic anyone?
I really don't want a gargantuan horn sticking out.

(https://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/607113M.jpg)

(https://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/2S001323.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on June 06, 2020, 11:35:48 AM
Here are a couple more home-made variants for mounting fog/running lights.


(https://i.ibb.co/JBnYTTR/IMG-6107.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JBnYTTR)


I had the new prototypes mounted up along with the older placement.  I didn't want the lights to "burn out" the turn signals since they were,visually very close.


(https://i.ibb.co/X5681fH/IMG-6497.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X5681fH)


The new, lower placement is much better for all around visibility and after powder coating black it looks factory.


(https://i.ibb.co/SJd1pKz/IMG-6513.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SJd1pKz)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 06, 2020, 03:18:58 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/mcCR4cw/E87533-AE-AE65-41-B9-AF11-5-E34-A57-DE07-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mcCR4cw)
Me and Son Christopher yesterday
(https://i.ibb.co/yNSJb2W/8369801-D-6-CAA-459-A-B99-A-091-BDD32-BD05.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yNSJb2W)

(https://i.ibb.co/SKzKbnx/DA2-E3754-EB30-42-DD-8-C60-DE48-D03-D2575.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SKzKbnx)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on June 06, 2020, 04:56:18 PM
thanks for the pics. I ordered a set of 4" one's today. I wondered what that rough hole on the backside of the bracket was.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 11, 2020, 08:19:54 AM
Not worth a thread of it’s own, but here’s a couple of shots of the ‘85 in outback Australia.
(https://i.ibb.co/pRwCj16/12-D93-DA8-2-D07-43-E4-9-B27-1886-FE2-D1258.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pRwCj16)

(https://i.ibb.co/Bt6NMqx/8-F16-A5-A8-8-A60-4-E09-BD0-A-F398859-DBFAE.png) (https://ibb.co/Bt6NMqx)

(https://i.ibb.co/L0ZBzYH/832-F93-A0-5-C83-408-B-A8-F5-5-D42-BC0-B89-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L0ZBzYH)

(https://i.ibb.co/bXpZdXF/D69-ED86-B-4824-44-B3-A501-595-ADAA5877-D.png) (https://ibb.co/bXpZdXF)

(https://i.ibb.co/pJVWGYV/90-C5-C553-4753-4-ED0-8-D10-01-FEBEC5-E2-DB.png) (https://ibb.co/pJVWGYV)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on June 11, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
That's a ton of gear you're carrying there!  Presumably the Ohlins rear handles it OK, but what about the overtaking power all loaded up?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 11, 2020, 03:28:16 PM
That's a ton of gear you're carrying there!  Presumably the Ohlins rear handles it OK, but what about the overtaking power all loaded up?
About 45 kg as an estimate..
No different than a 12 year old pillion. Passing power is hard to quantify in print, but my arse and wrists tell me that the ‘85 and the Norge are near enough to the same from 100 k to 140 k.
From 140 to the end the graphs begin to diverge. Unloaded, I would not bet against the ‘85 in a drag from 40 to 140 lightly loaded, between the two.
You’ve to add 1500 RPM to everything on the tiddler  to feel the same “rush..”
(Exactly like an XR6 versus XR8 Falcon KD..)
Really mate (it’s as you know), mentally changing gears as you swap over and the way I ride now...?
I never have a problem.
It would be exactly the same if I owned an 8V Norge and a 4V.

Oh..and the Ohlins..?
Ummm....YES..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on June 12, 2020, 06:19:09 AM
About 45 kg as an estimate..
No different than a 12 year old pillion.

Oh..and the Ohlins..?
Ummm....YES..!
Do you mean “to a 12 year old pinion”?
Try putting your full bags and fitting paraphernalia on a see saw, 12 year old will fly
Or just do mpg test with and without , actual holding bays (boxes)
Aerodynamics ? ‘‘tis another question, only tested with 12 year old passenger , no baggage
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on June 19, 2020, 07:42:01 AM
I was curious  ... so I took the chance to make a test ride at my dealer yesterday.
Man this is a great bike, I did not expect this.
The engine has enough power for such kind of bike.
The engine and the gear box work super smoothly and even if it is simple the chassis is extremely efficient.

(https://i.postimg.cc/14Fcxkcf/20200618-141532.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/14Fcxkcf) (https://i.postimg.cc/dZcCt0mD/20200618-141604.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dZcCt0mD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N9myVcqt/20200618-143806.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N9myVcqt) (https://i.postimg.cc/MnpQGNR0/20200618-143849.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnpQGNR0) (https://i.postimg.cc/BP38fV4K/20200618-144151.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BP38fV4K)

My dealer (https://www.clauscarstens-racing.de) told me that he was also very skeptical about it at the beginning.
He feared that it was a similar lame duck as e.g. the V9 Bobber.
But even if the motor looks similar it is a completely different engine.

Unfortunately my dealer gave up his Guzzi dealership after decades because of the poor Guzzi portfolio.
He is also the biggest Ducati dealer here in northern Germany and this was not an easy step for him
because he is also is a fan of the Guzzi brand like it was in the past.
The current California models and the small Guzzis models simply do not sell up here.
But after testing the V85TT he decided to sell those...and it works.
He already sold 11 this year which is a lot for a Guzzi model.
They are selling like hot cakes and do not even reach the showroom.
While I was riding the red one another one arrived - already sold.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on June 19, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
Nice new to Guzzi's owner's review. :thumb:
https://www.motorcycle.com/readers-rides/readers-rides-brian-carpenters-moto-guzzi-v85-tt.html
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DesmoDog on June 20, 2020, 03:17:08 PM
I'm in! Decided I didn't want to deal with any more of the general public trying to sell my Ducati so I bit the bullet and traded it in this morning.

My first Guzzi. Actually, as far as new bikes it's my first non-Ducati ever. Aside from my Aprilia track bike all I've owned or ridden the past 25 years has been built in Bologna... the Monster 1200S I traded was a fantastic bike so the Guzzi has some pretty big shoes to fill! Well, it's more like switching to hiking boots I suppose...

(http://teamyikes.com/Guzzi/v85_5719.jpg)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on June 20, 2020, 03:55:34 PM
It will be different, that's for sure.  I had a Multi 1200s that I have been riding the last couple of years.   The Guzzi doesn't have quite the urgency that the Ducati has, that's for sure.  It is a very pleasant bike to ride- I enjoy riding it at a more leisurely pace, which is a good thing. 
I really like the way the V85 handles-  It wants to leeaaaaaaan right over.  I've about 1300 miles and I've worn off the injection spikes on the tires all the way to the edge.  Those tires have very good grip-  but fair warning- they are loud.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DesmoDog on June 20, 2020, 07:05:33 PM
 
I really like the way the V85 handles-  It wants to leeaaaaaaan right over.  I've about 1300 miles and I've worn off the injection spikes on the tires all the way to the edge.  Those tires have very good grip-  but fair warning- they are loud.

I had read that they made noise so I was ready for it, but I was still surprised when I heard it! Wasn't expecting it to be that loud. I suppose it might annoy some people but I thought it was/is funny.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: moho66 on June 20, 2020, 07:23:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX8gYCNAB10&feature=youtu.be

My Very amateur review of the Hepco and Becker Headlight grill
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on June 30, 2020, 02:09:16 PM
Stupid question here that will only get me likely flamed :embarassed:
All reports say the bike handles on tarmac quite well; yet, has street biased rider here considered or even mounted a 17” wheel on the front?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on June 30, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
If anyone puts a 17 on the front, I want to see a picture.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 30, 2020, 05:03:54 PM
Stupid question here that will only get me likely flamed :embarassed:
All reports say the bike handles on tarmac quite well; yet, has street biased rider here considered or even mounted a 17” wheel on the front?
I wouldn’t flame you for suggesting it, but why would that be seen as a good move ?
I guess the 1” reduction in height at the front COULD be seen as a good move if you could get the rear down as well, but there would be repercussions.
Also the TC and ABS might throw a wobbly...(but probably ok if re calibrated)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi Dave on July 01, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Stupid question here that will only get me likely flamed :embarassed:
All reports say the bike handles on tarmac quite well; yet, has street biased rider here considered or even mounted a 17” wheel on the front?

Slipping the forks through the triple tree achieves roughly the same thing at not cost.  I'm left wondering if there's any noticeable difference (not that I've tried it).
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Faisal on July 07, 2020, 12:24:38 PM
So, a few posts on page 78 or 79, can't remember exactly, I mentioned some issues with my clutch and how 'weak' it seems, especially off-road.

Yesterday, I was teaching giving my younger brother some beginner classes on bike riding, and the clutch started making this HORRIBLE sound immediately after cranking the engine, while idle.

I would just like to mention that up to this point, my younger brother did not crank the engine, so he has not touched the clutch at that point, so he didn't do anything.

I don't know if you can hear the sound of the clutch, maybe with earphones / headphones it might be clearer.

What do you think it is? Shot bearing?

I have spoken to my dealer previously about the clutch and how there is something wrong with it but I just can't place my finger on it. They have taken a few test rides on it, but obviously they don't ride the bike as much as I do and so they will never experience what I experience on a daily basis.

Here are the links to the 2 clips I took of the sound:


https://youtu.be/ttyoJwN2JlI

https://youtu.be/dTSIST_9080

So, I have an update for those that are interested.

First of all, I've seen a slight increase in complaints around several forums of the V85TT clutch, which might not mean much or it could be just a coincidence. Nevertheless, here are the results.

After several weeks of waiting with the whole pandemic thing, my bike was finally admitted for surgery this week, and here are the findings:


(https://i.ibb.co/mSfyXR4/2a81e17c-1d46-4399-bd84-039d02cda80c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mSfyXR4)

(https://i.ibb.co/JHhMGMR/038d90ed-208c-4225-846e-37b0147ae067.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JHhMGMR)

(https://i.ibb.co/8xGCtFf/11305c5f-1103-4b30-a667-1eef1660f38f.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8xGCtFf)

(https://i.ibb.co/R68fyVD/c48ebef8-b059-449b-bad5-c19f1bc18375.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R68fyVD)

(https://i.ibb.co/sH0GM1w/ef3b6e35-ca66-4b7b-a8d0-efa07db87b6e.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sH0GM1w)


According to the mechanics at my dealership, they said these markings are "uneven and abnormal", and it seems as though the clutch plate is not being pushed properly therefore the contact is improper or misaligned.

And this makes me wonder if there was a bad batch of pressure plates or clutches in general that were installed on some V85s, or could this just be an individual thing... Also, does the flywheel and clutch plate look bad? I don't know how some things should or should not look like. I mean visually to anyone, even those that have no mechanical inclination whatsoever, this looks wrong, but mechanically, would it perform bad just because it looks bad?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: CJ on August 02, 2020, 03:59:03 PM
It will be different, that's for sure.  I had a Multi 1200s that I have been riding the last couple of years.   The Guzzi doesn't have quite the urgency that the Ducati has, that's for sure.  It is a very pleasant bike to ride- I enjoy riding it at a more leisurely pace, which is a good thing. 
I really like the way the V85 handles-  It wants to leeaaaaaaan right over.  I've about 1300 miles and I've worn off the injection spikes on the tires all the way to the edge.  Those tires have very good grip-  but fair warning- they are loud.

How well would you say the V85 would hold up to Highway speeds with a 260 pound rider + gear.  The closest HWY to me is 80mph and its necessary to keep up with that speed to be safe at some times of the day.   My Cali 1100 eats those miles up with no issues, but I’m worried that the V85 might be strained.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: smdl on August 02, 2020, 04:12:41 PM
How well would you say the V85 would hold up to Highway speeds with a 260 pound rider + gear.  The closest HWY to me is 80mph and its necessary to keep up with that speed to be safe at some times of the day.   My Cali 1100 eats those miles up with no issues, but I’m worried that the V85 might be strained.

I can tell you exactly how well it can do that. 😉  No trouble at all on keeping up, passing, etc., although it might be different story with a passenger and a heavy load, which I have not tried.  The only time that the V85 has felt a little winded, in my experience, was when literally climbing a mountain at high speeds.  Then, there were a few times where I had the throttle wide open, and felt I could have benefited from more power (but didn't really *need* it).  I'd recommend giving one a try, as my first test ride immediately dispelled any concerns that I had.  It's not a rocket, but it feels strong, and is deceptively quick.

Cheers,
Shaun

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on August 03, 2020, 07:43:51 AM
Surely u jest! V85 has more power and less weight and will still go faster at a honest 90 if asked while getting 50% better gas mileage
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 03, 2020, 08:33:51 AM
Just a note about one local bike. 

Russ was the OK MGNOC rep here.  He purchased one of the first V85 bikes delivered.  He posted some of his experience here and mentioned that Don from the local shop had reconfigured the brake pedal for him so he wouldn't drag the brake with his artificial leg.

I saw him yesterday and he told me the bike was recently stolen. The bike was recovered but knacked up.  He was able to get a fair insurance settlement.   He purchased a 650 VStrom as replacement.  Russ and his wife also own a couple of Indians.

I have no idea why someone would steal a Guzzi. 

I thought I'd pass it on for those of you that know Russ.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on August 03, 2020, 09:26:17 PM
Mongrels.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 03, 2020, 09:33:49 PM
Mine has an anti theft device on the tank, donated to me from the USA...
(https://i.ibb.co/TK9hKVm/229051-FF-AE2-B-415-F-9-FFF-25-D941-B8-F0-A6.png) (https://ibb.co/TK9hKVm)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on August 04, 2020, 07:47:44 AM

I have no idea why someone would steal a Guzzi. 

Thought it was an air cooled Beemer?   :boozing:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: astros50 on August 31, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
Can anyone comment on the long-distance comfort of the seat?  Can you go a full tank without that burning sensation?  Also, how does the engine pull and the bike handle with the bags loaded and maybe a roll bag stapped to the pillion?  I took a test ride a couple of weeks ago and was really impressed, but I want to take a longer test ride and see some feedback on this before I make the decision.

My opinion is in direct contrast to some I have read on Facebook and the ADV Forum. 

But, with a little over 2600 miles on my V85 (1000 of which were in 20 hours), I think the stock seat is the MOST comfortable seat I have ever had on a bike.  That includes one I had rebuilt to make it better.  The seat and the V85 fit me like no bike I have ever owned.  I love it and can't ride it enough. 

I guess I am not much of a handling connoisseur, but I have had one long tour with the panniers loaded and a bag strapped to the seat.   I didn't notice much of a difference.  Riding with my wife makes a pretty big difference, but this bike is mostly a solo bike for me. 

Good luck with your research.  V85 Adventure is a great bike for me.  I hope you find the same thing for you.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 01, 2020, 05:52:00 AM
Greetings:

Let me share my experience with tires.  Several weeks ago, the rear tire still looked pretty thick, but looking at it yesterday, I will need tires soon.  this bike has the "Anakees" on it and currently has about 8,700 miles.  I would estimate it could slip into the 9,000 range with minimal tread left.  I will contact Cadre today to see about availability.  I am concerned because I did some internet checking yesterday and J and P Cycles seemed to be out of stock for most of the ones I checked.  I will update this later.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on September 01, 2020, 02:41:33 PM
So, I have an update for those that are interested.

First of all, I've seen a slight increase in complaints around several forums of the V85TT clutch, which might not mean much or it could be just a coincidence. Nevertheless, here are the results.

According to the mechanics at my dealership, they said these markings are "uneven and abnormal", and it seems as though the clutch plate is not being pushed properly therefore the contact is improper or misaligned.

And this makes me wonder if there was a bad batch of pressure plates or clutches in general that were installed on some V85s, or could this just be an individual thing... Also, does the flywheel and clutch plate look bad? I don't know how some things should or should not look like. I mean visually to anyone, even those that have no mechanical inclination whatsoever, this looks wrong, but mechanically, would it perform bad just because it looks bad?

Any update to this?  Did they get your bike all sorted out?  Any root cause or did they just put in a bunch of new parts?

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on September 22, 2020, 03:41:21 PM
I give up! After two trips through the on line shop and owners manual and two margaritas
 I still can't find the max rpm for a v85. Sales literature says about 8000 but I doubt it. Sa
Cadre is advertising $1000 trade in for a 400ccbike on a v85.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 22, 2020, 04:38:31 PM
I give up! After two trips through the on line shop and owners manual and two margaritas
 I still can't find the max rpm for a v85. Sales literature says about 8000 but I doubt it. Sa
Cadre is advertising $1000 trade in for a 400ccbike on a v85.
It’s on the tacho face...(I think)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jayell on September 22, 2020, 04:51:20 PM
I give up! After two trips through the on line shop and owners manual and two margaritas
 I still can't find the max rpm for a v85. Sales literature says about 8000 but I doubt it.

I'm fairly certain it's about 7800RPM. Twist the throttle until the limiter kicks in, then you'll know for sure.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 22, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
I just read through the first few pages of this thread again..and again.
#4 & #6 are particular favourites..
I know it’s childish, but jeez it’s satisfying.. :popcorn:
Sort of in the same mould as early responses to... the “Why won’t they do it” thread.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 22, 2020, 06:44:23 PM
As expected, I read a lot of negative comments here. It seems obvious to me that Guzzi is never going to stand up again with the help of their existing clients, some of whom seem to be drinking a bucket of vinegar in the morning  :wink:.  Guzzi  desperately needs new blood that looks at their models without any prejudice.  1,5 year ago I sold my Norge to buy a Bmw f700gs and got a lot of criticism for that.  I wanted a lighter bike with decent hp and torque , and Guzzi did not offer it. So, I really like the V85, I hope it lives up to it's expectations (Hp, torque, seat, suspension....) etc.  And I hope they sell tons of it, even if that would make Guzzi less "exclusive" (which seems to be the only reason some people buy Guzzi).
Sorry, had to get that off my chest....
Touche’ Sir... :thumb:
Hey..! This is page #85 of the thread, surely this is a sign..
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DesertPilot on September 22, 2020, 11:38:25 PM
On my second V85 now.  The first one got taken out by an SUV at 3600 miles.  I took the opportunity to check out pretty much every other bike on the planet, but the way I see it, as long as I don't feel a deep heartfelt need to cruise long distances at 100 MPH, this is the perfect machine for the kind of riding I do.

...though I'm still trying to sort out the perfect windscreen setup.  Next step may be to bolt a used Madstadt top I picked up on eBay to the bottom of the Givi Airflow I pulled off what was left of the old bike to see if I can get a venturi system like I had on my Tiger 800 to work.  In the unlikely event this succeeds, I'll post pictures.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on December 27, 2020, 08:08:08 AM
Somewhere back there, much earlier in this thread I asked about mpg.  Revisiting this here as more get broken in and wondering if anyone has seen their range changed for the good.  Tempting myself in a way as Guzzi continues to offer the $1000 trade-in option.  So, how many miles you getting between tanks?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on December 27, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
Somewhere back there, much earlier in this thread I asked about mpg.  Revisiting this here as more get broken in and wondering if anyone has seen their range changed for the good.  Tempting myself in a way as Guzzi continues to offer the $1000 trade-in option.  So, how many miles you getting between tanks?

Depends on the riding but I consistently get 220-250 miles between fill-ups with a mix of interstate and highway riding. The more highway riding at 65 mph or less the better the mileage. Not sure if this was helpful.

Skippy
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 27, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
Mine is running a bit lean but at the moment, 4.2 l/100k is readily achievable giving an easy 500 k to a tank with a couple of litres left.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on December 28, 2020, 05:44:30 AM
Mine is running a bit lean but at the moment, 4.2 l/100k is readily achievable giving an easy 500 k to a tank with a couple of litres left.

Nearly 300 miles to empty?  That’s impressive.  Others getting similar?

Depends on the riding but I consistently get 220-250 miles between fill-ups with a mix of interstate and highway riding. The more highway riding at 65 mph or less the better the mileage. Not sure if this was helpful.

Skippy

Hey Skip, how much does it usually take at that 220-250, how much is left in the tank? 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on December 28, 2020, 06:07:20 AM
with the small windscreen an no bags commuting at about 60 -65 mph, i consistently get about 55 mpg, with 6 gallon tank, theoretically over 300 miles per tank.  usually stop at around 200 miles and cannot squeeze 4 gallons in.  have been as high as around 240 miles before a stop.  with the winter screen and tail trunk, that drops to about 50 mpg.  fully loaded, all 3 cases, it drops to the high 40s.  bike has 11,300 miles now.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on December 28, 2020, 08:57:45 AM
ridding the dog s... out of it in the N. Ga mountains 55 is normal unless it's below 60 degrees. then you lose 2 MPG. Finally a Guzzi (other than a V7) where you don't need to worry about gas stations ever.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: v85kris on December 28, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
Nearly 300 miles to empty?  That’s impressive.  Others getting similar?

I easily get 250 and have gone 300 as I was enjoying the Arizona scenery so much I didn’t notice how far I’d gone until I saw double bars where I’d usually see remaining miles!  Found fuel with no issues and still some left in the tank.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on December 28, 2020, 10:26:04 AM
 NIce to see great feedback here...I wonder if there will be a V95 at some point to build on the success of the V85.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: smdl on December 28, 2020, 11:14:43 AM
Hi, folks.

I have found that gas mileage continues to improve as the bike breaks in.  One of the last tanks I put through it before storage garnered 498kms (309 miles), and upon filling up, I found that I was only able to add just over 18L (~4.75 US gallons).  Given that the specs say that the tank will hold 25L (~6.6 US gallons), that means that I had over 7L (~1.85 US gallons) remaining.   This translates to 65 mpg (US) or 3.62 l/100 km, which I think is remarkable.  The bike was configured with stock (short) windscreen and, if I recall correctly, no bags.  So truly ideal conditions for fuel economy (other than the fact that I am by no means small or light  :wink:).

Cheers,
Shaun
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on December 28, 2020, 07:30:04 PM
Nearly 300 miles to empty?  That’s impressive.  Others getting similar?

Hey Skip, how much does it usually take at that 220-250, how much is left in the tank?

I usually only squeeze in around 4 1/2 gallons at the fuel stops. Even when I try and ride down the the last drop I only get in  5 gallons. And that was riding for another 40 miles after the fuel light goes on but the trip computer telling me I have 40 miles left and 285 mile since the last fill. All of that on a healthy mix of 80 mph interstate and 50-65 mph highway.

Skippy 

P.S. Full disclosure, I have the FULL Mistral exhaust and the V-Boost installed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on December 29, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
My last fill up was at 273 miles and 5.3 gallons = 51.5 mpg  The fuel display had counted down to ---- for about 35 miles.   Typically I fill up at about 230 miles and it takes about 4.7 gallons.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 01, 2021, 10:29:26 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 01, 2021, 10:31:30 PM
Mine is running a bit lean but at the moment, 4.2 l/100k is readily achievable giving an easy 500 k to a tank with a couple of litres left.
In the light of recent events, I might just revise that to read..
Under controlled conditions with good fuel, 500 k is achievable....
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Gustavo on January 22, 2021, 03:42:40 PM
100th Anniversary model:

(https://media.lulop.com/media/getimage/l/200457/5/640,480)

(https://media.lulop.com/media/getimage/l/200457/6/640,480)

(https://media.lulop.com/media/getimage/l/200457/7/640,480)

(https://media.lulop.com/media/getimage/l/200457/10/640,480)


The eagle eyed (he!) will note the tubeless rims on this version that have not made it to the standard version yet.


Gustavo
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DesertPilot on January 22, 2021, 07:29:16 PM
There's some difference between bikes.  My first V85 got around 50 MPG.  Its replacement, on similar rides, has been getting around 52.  Though I suppose it just might be that the Giallo Sahara color scheme burns less fuel than Rosso Kalahari...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pfestus1 on January 24, 2021, 09:27:59 AM
I have installed a new set of horns on my V85TT. I bought a set of Dual Snail horns on Amazon for $23, similar to the Fiams that used to come on Airhead BMWs. They were a bit of a challenge to get mounted, but it was not too hard. I mounted them to the crash bars, one on each side. I used a set of mounts that I found on Amazon that are quite stout. The mount is thick aluminum and I had to grind the mount point thinner so the horn would mount to it. Then I made a wire harness that tied the two horns together and plugged into the stock horn wires. I find these horns quite loud, and much louder than the meek stock horn. I don't know if they achieve the claimed 300 db, but they are loud enough.

Here is a link to the horns:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08LQ4LW9R/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And to the mounts I used:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GZ5HZMQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
(https://i.ibb.co/WzW0Zxy/Horn.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WzW0Zxy)

(https://i.ibb.co/NVN9V5r/right-horn.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NVN9V5r)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on January 24, 2021, 02:11:56 PM
Just a thought.  Why point the horns down instead of forward?  Those are definitely better than stock.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on January 24, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Louder horns are on my short list of things to do.  The stock horn is just....sad.  I haven't found a very good place to mount any yet, but I don't have crash bars. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pfestus1 on January 24, 2021, 08:15:54 PM
Just a thought.  Why point the horns down instead of forward?  Those are definitely better than stock.  :thumb:

I point them down to keep water and bugs out of them.  :bike-037:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on January 25, 2021, 02:42:51 AM
Point forward with a downward slant???
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: j.davis on January 25, 2021, 04:44:18 AM
My Denali horn setup, plug and play.


(https://i.ibb.co/NT4TZbn/20201103-DSC02605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NT4TZbn)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on January 25, 2021, 07:41:04 PM
The older BMW horns were always "superior".  They just have a nice mature, penetrating & authoritative dual tone that is a whole world better than the gutless & effeminate "meep meep" roadrunner squeak of most OEM horns on modern bikes.

BMW have used Fiamms, Hellas & Bosch horns over the years.  They need to be pointed downwards so that the snail's trumpet aperture doesn't catch corrosion-causing water & grime.  Most have a "tuning screw" on their rear to fine tune the power & tone, which should be "Loctited" when set.

I've tried air horns before on some bikes.  From a super-loud triple steel trumpet Fiamm on my first bike (900SS Bevel) to an integrated Steinel alternating 2-tone Brio on my Husky road bike.  I still think the old(er) BMW horns are best:  weather resistant, reliable, relatively loud & with assertive authority.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: j.davis on February 03, 2021, 04:38:26 AM
V85tt had 10K service done today and ECU updated again.
Original that came out in early 2020, update at first service and now again at 10K
Seems smoother through the gears and no hesitation or pulsing on steady throttle.


(https://i.ibb.co/cwjqRpn/20210112-DSC02907.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwjqRpn)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on February 19, 2021, 06:52:11 AM
Has anyone used Off Road mode on the street? If so, did you notice any real difference between it and Road mode?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on February 19, 2021, 01:16:20 PM
Has anyone used Off Road mode on the street? If so, did you notice any real difference between it and Road mode?

I have but only briefly while traveling between sections of dirt. Didn't notice anything different because of it. But what I did notice is that once I get off a long section of loose dirt and back onto asphalt I feel like I am riding on greased lightning. I mean I haul some serious butt. Way more speed than I do normally. Truth be told though, this is exactly why I bought an adventure bike. It was so I could hone my low traction skills to make me a better rider on the street.

Skippy
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on May 28, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
Traded in my V7iii Milano for a V85tt Adventure. Last 2020 Cadre had. Couldn't resist the deal.

My V7 was a great fun machine but after a long camping trip I decided I had to have something that was a better fit for my Bigness. I rode the 2020 a month or so back and liked it but didn't buy. Last week I rode the 2021 V85 and the 2021 V7. Both felt better down low in revs. The rear suspension on the V7 has improved a lot. Decided the change to the 21' wasn't big enough to warrant the extra cost. So far, this bike fits me much better and the cruise control is a big game changer.

Anywho here it is on my ride home Tuesday. I'm about 14 miles from Cadre but the ride home took a little more than 80 miles for some reason. And the paint scheme has really grown on me.


(https://i.ibb.co/b6mV0dc/My-85-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b6mV0dc)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Wayne Orwig on May 28, 2021, 10:48:11 AM
I have installed a new set of horns on my V85TT. I bought a set of Dual Snail horns on Amazon for $23, similar to the Fiams that used to come on Airhead BMWs. They were a bit of a challenge to get mounted, but it was not too hard. I mounted them to the crash bars, one on each side. I used a set of mounts that I found on Amazon that are quite stout. The mount is thick aluminum and I had to grind the mount point thinner so the horn would mount to it. Then I made a wire harness that tied the two horns together and plugged into the stock horn wires. I find these horns quite loud, and much louder than the meek stock horn. I don't know if they achieve the claimed 300 db, but they are loud enough.

Here is a link to the horns:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08LQ4LW9R/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And to the mounts I used:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GZ5HZMQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
(https://i.ibb.co/WzW0Zxy/Horn.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WzW0Zxy)

(https://i.ibb.co/NVN9V5r/right-horn.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NVN9V5r)


You need to show the mount for those horns. That is next on my list. With my bad hearing, and wearing ear plug, I can't even tell if the stock horn is working. Pretty lame.

I like that 300dB listing on the horns. I suspect that is the sound level of the moon colliding with the earth.  :rolleyes: 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on May 28, 2021, 11:43:34 AM
I came right off the turn signal with the supplied mount. I think these were 120 DB but I'm going for 130 next time or the mini sound bomb.
(https://i.ibb.co/zNmfJpv/thumbnail-IMG-1296.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zNmfJpv)

(https://i.ibb.co/4gv7zkZ/thumbnail-IMG-1297.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4gv7zkZ)

(https://i.ibb.co/GpbxLKQ/thumbnail-IMG-1298.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GpbxLKQ)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: vntgmx on May 28, 2021, 11:50:01 AM
Traded in my V7iii Milano for a V85tt Adventure. Last 2020 Cadre had. Couldn't resist the deal.

My V7 was a great fun machine but after a long camping trip I decided I had to have something that was a better fit for my Bigness. I rode the 2020 a month or so back and liked it but didn't buy. Last week I rode the 2021 V85 and the 2021 V7. Both felt better down low in revs. The rear suspension on the V7 has improved a lot. Decided the change to the 21' wasn't big enough to warrant the extra cost. So far, this bike fits me much better and the cruise control is a big game changer.

Anywho here it is on my ride home Tuesday. I'm about 14 miles from Cadre but the ride home took a little more than 80 miles for some reason. And the paint scheme has really grown on me.


(https://i.ibb.co/b6mV0dc/My-85-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b6mV0dc)


Congrats I just bought the same color & year....So glad I did too!
Enjoy it

(https://i.ibb.co/GPsNqV0/V85-5-26.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GPsNqV0)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on May 28, 2021, 11:52:55 AM
300dB?  Someone got inmost the loco weed.  There is NO way it's 300.  Not even 200.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on May 28, 2021, 12:18:18 PM
300dB?  Someone got inmost the loco weed.  There is NO way it's 300.  Not even 200.

True

194 dB is the loudest sound possible.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on May 28, 2021, 12:19:14 PM
Congrats I just bought the same color & year....So glad I did too!
Enjoy it

(https://i.ibb.co/GPsNqV0/V85-5-26.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GPsNqV0)


Cool. Congrats to you as well.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on May 28, 2021, 02:35:37 PM
congrats, i hope to see you around the area.  i went to the kansas wild guzzi rally.  i packed 5 pairs of gloves, 2 pairs of shoes in addition to my boots, full rain gear, a spare pair of pants, changes of underwear, a hoodie, cigars, booze, water, snacks and still had room left.  camping gear in dry bag on seat.  then there is the magic button (cruise).  you will love it
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on May 28, 2021, 03:56:08 PM
congrats, i hope to see you around the area.  i went to the kansas wild guzzi rally.  i packed 5 pairs of gloves, 2 pairs of shoes in addition to my boots, full rain gear, a spare pair of pants, changes of underwear, a hoodie, cigars, booze, water, snacks and still had room left.  camping gear in dry bag on seat.  then there is the magic button (cruise).  you will love it

Thats a lot of gloves!

Yeah. Testing cruise really blew me away. The side case are almost double what I'm used to.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on May 28, 2021, 05:09:20 PM
battery powered warm gloves - used;
regular thinsulate cold weather gloves - used;
cowhide medium gloves - used;
perforated summer gloves - used;
waterproof rain gloves - used.

Travelling in May is never predictable.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: greer on May 29, 2021, 04:58:31 AM
Hey blu guzz,

Thanks again for letting us pick your brain in Cedar Vale, Doug bought a Centenario last week.  Sloan's was the first dealership to call back with a '21 in stock, so away we went.

Sarah
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 29, 2021, 05:25:57 AM
I like the red frame but I would also like to see the V85 photoshopped in the colors described above by Huzo.
Like this one..?
(https://i.ibb.co/1znSG5y/AEF57941-B450-47-D2-AD65-93-D84330-DA64.png) (https://ibb.co/1znSG5y)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on May 29, 2021, 06:25:07 AM
Mine has a red frame with grey bodywork. Jim Hamlin put it together for me when he couldn't source a base model but had an Adventure available along with the grey bits.


(https://i.ibb.co/LSjwb0Y/20210306-215757.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LSjwb0Y)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on May 29, 2021, 06:44:50 AM
greer:  nice to put names to faces with you and doug.  i am going to the virginia rally with my son later in june at willville.  i hope i don't have to pack cold weather gear again.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on May 29, 2021, 08:31:19 AM
Congrats on the new bike.  I have had mine for two years and loved it so much I bought the Centenario (also from Cadre).  Here is when I brought it home and before I started making my usual modifications.


(https://i.ibb.co/fXRzdxH/IMG-6930.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fXRzdxH)


The yellow, white, red color was flashy but I think I will like this, more subdued version, even more.  Great all around bike in any color though.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on May 29, 2021, 09:23:47 AM
Congrats on the new bike.  I have had mine for two years and loved it so much I bought the Centenario (also from Cadre).  Here is when I brought it home and before I started making my usual modifications.


(https://i.ibb.co/fXRzdxH/IMG-6930.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fXRzdxH)


The yellow, white, red color was flashy but I think I will like this, more subdued version, even more.  Great all around bike in any color though.

Sharp!

I bought my Adventure with the plan of having the panels and fender painted. While the color has grown on me I woke up this morning thinking about colors that would work with my red frame.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chethro on May 29, 2021, 10:51:08 AM
I think the 2021 black bodywork would look great with the red frame. That may be the route I go if I get tired of the white/red.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: greer on May 30, 2021, 06:01:21 AM
Thanks everybody, Doug has been all smiles since buying the bike.  We put in a 400 mile day Thursday and his only complaint was the stout throttle spring.  He's been studying the remedy thread and has decided to start with an o-ring at the end of the grip to see if a bit of friction will help.  Like some of you have said, it's not so much twisting the throttle but holding it. 

Sarah
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on May 30, 2021, 06:41:54 AM
I think the 2021 black bodywork would look great with the red frame. That may be the route I go if I get tired of the white/red.

Definitely agree. Going to stop by and see how much custom paint would be. Otherwise might order the nero etna parts.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chethro on May 30, 2021, 08:45:38 AM
A crappy photo hack, but you get the idea.


(https://i.ibb.co/TBmMzbk/x-red2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TBmMzbk)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on June 01, 2021, 08:06:02 AM
A crappy photo hack, but you get the idea.


(https://i.ibb.co/TBmMzbk/x-red2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TBmMzbk)


I think it looks good. I started out dead set on changing my color scheme but mine continues to grow on me. Not to mention that money could be better spent on other farkles.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on June 01, 2021, 11:56:09 PM
Congrats on the new bike.  I have had mine for two years and loved it so much I bought the Centenario (also from Cadre).  Here is when I brought it home and before I started making my usual modifications.


(https://i.ibb.co/fXRzdxH/IMG-6930.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fXRzdxH)


The yellow, white, red color was flashy but I think I will like this, more subdued version, even more.  Great all around bike in any color though.
How do you like the updated torque delivery?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on June 02, 2021, 06:58:54 AM
How do you like the updated torque delivery?

I have only limited riding time on the new bike as I am installing a lot of modifications right now.  So far it seemed to have better punch off the bottom, but I will report back with more after this weekend.  I am doing wiring today.  I just texted Enzo to ask if there is, and the location of, a blank connector for switched power somewhere in the harness.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: DesmoDog on June 02, 2021, 09:08:34 AM
I have only limited riding time on the new bike as I am installing a lot of modifications right now.  So far it seemed to have better punch off the bottom, but I will report back with more after this weekend.  I am doing wiring today.  I just texted Enzo to ask if there is, and the location of, a blank connector for switched power somewhere in the harness.

There is a switched connector that's used for the optional USB port under the seat. A lot of guys (me) use it to power the lead to their GPS.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on June 02, 2021, 10:25:42 AM
That's what I did on my other V85 but I couldn't see it.  I removed the battery and it was stuffed way down underneath so all is well now.  Thanks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on June 02, 2021, 10:47:00 AM
I’d be interested in the new ‘sport’ and ‘custom’ riding modes added for 2021. I’ve picked up a barely used 2020 and the only thing I’m having any issue with is the relatively soft throttle response.  In some situations, for example blipping the throttle for downshifts, it takes an unusual amount of twist grip movement in an unloaded situation where a cable throttle would be highly sensitive to small movements of the throttle.  I’ll get used to it, and really like the bike to ride otherwise: it rides like a slightly heavier cross between an R100GS and a Guzzi, with some ‘modern’ electronics added, for better or worse.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on June 02, 2021, 11:56:06 AM
I’d be interested in the new ‘sport’ and ‘custom’ riding modes added for 2021. I’ve picked up a barely used 2020 and the only thing I’m having any issue with is the relatively soft throttle response.  In some situations, for example blipping the throttle for downshifts, it takes an unusual amount of twist grip movement in an unloaded situation where a cable throttle would be highly sensitive to small movements of the throttle.  I’ll get used to it, and really like the bike to ride otherwise: it rides like a slightly heavier cross between an R100GS and a Guzzi, with some ‘modern’ electronics added, for better or worse.

The was a new fuel map sometime in 2020. Might be worth seeing if a dealer can check/update your ECU? My 2020 was a late model and had whatever updates and I do not experience really any fueling issues besides crappy MPG on the highway.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on June 02, 2021, 12:21:54 PM
Just to be clear, I am not describing a fueling issue.  What I’m describing is the relationship between twist grip rotation and throttle plate movement in Road mode.  Many injected bikes with large throttle bodies and cable throttles feel a bit jumpy or oversensitive to the throttle control, particularly at low speed and I suppose in response to this they softened the throttle sensitivity in ‘throttle by wire’ tuning on the V85TT.  I think they went a bit too far, and note that this is a manually programmable parameter in ‘Custom’ mode on the 2021 bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: mondtster on June 02, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Just to be clear, I am not describing a fueling issue.  What I’m describing is the relationship between twist grip rotation and throttle plate movement in Road mode.  Many injected bikes with large throttle bodies and cable throttles feel a bit jumpy or oversensitive to the throttle control, particularly at low speed and I suppose in response to this they softened the throttle sensitivity in ‘throttle by wire’ tuning on the V85TT.  I think they went a bit too far, and note that this is a manually programmable parameter in ‘Custom’ mode on the 2021 bikes.

You could change the tables in the 2020 MY ECU if you used the 7SM reader/writer and TunerPro to edit the file in the ECU and have similar results. The tools needed are on the GuzziDiag webpage.

I looked at the first and second revision of the software (haven't seen the third) and the throttle tables appear to be the same for all 3 modes. That backs up what I've experienced as well, which is that I can't really tell any difference in the performance in the different riding modes under the same (ideal) conditions.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on June 02, 2021, 05:13:48 PM
Good info, thanks.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: vntgmx on June 02, 2021, 06:51:14 PM
Added some Giant Loop soft saddlebags to my 2020 V85TT Adventure. Nice stuff and fit great on the stock racks.


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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on June 02, 2021, 08:29:49 PM
Just to be clear, I am not describing a fueling issue.  What I’m describing is the relationship between twist grip rotation and throttle plate movement in Road mode.  Many injected bikes with large throttle bodies and cable throttles feel a bit jumpy or oversensitive to the throttle control, particularly at low speed and I suppose in response to this they softened the throttle sensitivity in ‘throttle by wire’ tuning on the V85TT.  I think they went a bit too far, and note that this is a manually programmable parameter in ‘Custom’ mode on the 2021 bikes.

I agree that the rotation/travel is a bit much. I find myself having to reposition my hand on the throttle if I don't grab enough when taking off from a stop. Using the Throttle Rocker reminds me to do that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 02, 2021, 08:59:20 PM
I agree that the rotation/travel is a bit much. I find myself having to reposition my hand on the throttle if I don't grab enough when taking off from a stop. Using the Throttle Rocker reminds me to do that.
I’m not trying to belittle your statement egschade, but really...?
It’s 90 degrees from fully closed to fully open..(or close to it).
Is it because the throttle is too heavy, that you wish the range was less ? :popcorn:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moto Vita on June 02, 2021, 09:29:54 PM
I’m not trying to belittle your statement egschade, but really...?
It’s 90 degrees from fully closed to fully open..(or close to it).
Is it because the throttle is too heavy, that you wish the range was less ? :popcorn:

 I would think that on a fly by wire system one could wire up a momentary toggle switch if so desired and have a true on/off throttle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 02, 2021, 09:39:28 PM
I would think that on a fly by wire system one could wire up a momentary toggle switch if so desired.
I actually don’t follow the suggestion Moto.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on June 02, 2021, 10:09:04 PM
Huzo's method for reducing the throttle spring rate makes a marked improvement.  I am glad I did it.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on June 02, 2021, 10:49:24 PM
It’s 90 degrees from fully closed to fully open..(or close to it).
Is it because the throttle is too heavy, that you wish the range was less ? :popcorn:

I think you’re missing the point: the throttle sensitivity is not constant across that 90 degrees of movement.  The issue as I notice it is that when I’m braking hard with right hand, throttle closed, and simultaneously downshifting, it is not easy to blip the throttle for downshifts using the same hand.  This is because when nearly closed the twist grip needs to rotated I’d guess 2 or 3 times as far to raise the engine RPM as it would have to be with a cable throttle.  That lack of sensitivity is apparently programmed out at higher power settings, throttle by wire allows software to produce an effect analogous to having an exaggerated snail cam on the throttle drum of a cable throttle.

I know throttle sensitivity can be reprogrammed in 2021 ‘custom’ mode (because Guzzi literature says so) but I’m also curious whether the new ‘sport’ mode has already done what I’m suggesting when compared to ‘road’ mode.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 02, 2021, 10:58:59 PM
I think you’re missing the point: the throttle sensitivity is not constant across that 90 degrees of movement.  The issue as I notice it is that when I’m braking hard with right hand, throttle closed, and simultaneously downshifting, it is not easy to blip the throttle for downshifts using the same hand.  This is because when nearly closed the twist grip needs to rotated I’d guess 2 or 3 times as far to raise the engine RPM as it would have to be with a cable throttle.  That lack of sensitivity is apparently programmed out at higher power settings, throttle by wire allows software to produce an effect analogous to having an exaggerated snail cam on the throttle drum of a cable throttle.

I know throttle sensitivity can be reprogrammed in 2021 ‘custom’ mode (because Guzzi literature says so) but I’m also curious whether the new ‘sport’ mode has already done what I’m suggesting when compared to ‘road’ mode.
Oh Tusayan, now I get you.
You’re saying the butterfly rotation is not linked to the rotating drum in a constant ratio. I can’t say I noticed to be honest, but you are good like that so I’ve no reason to doubt your claim.
I’m sure you are all over this, but you don’t have an excess of play in the closed position do you ? Both times I’ve been into the TGPS, I’ve noted that the throttle stop is fairly frail.
Indeed, I have had it pointed out that (slightly) forcibly closing the throttle past it’s “closed” point, will cancel the cruise control...Yes it will but...
This I think, will result in damaging the internal stop mechanism and leading to an increase in the degrees of rotation required to take the TGPS from “closed” to “take up”.
Not good.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on June 02, 2021, 11:30:07 PM
No, I don’t have any play in the throttle control.  The bike has under 2000 miles.  I’ll be careful with the throttle stop regardless, good tip.

In theory it’s good to be able to map throttle control sensitivity, but as with anything there can be unintended consequences that take a few development iterations to iron out - ask Airbus and Boeing about fly by wire over the last 30 years.

In a parking lot it’s probably good to have low rpm throttle response like a trials bike with a 22-mm carb, but as per my comments above the way the ‘road’ map is set up for that purpose seems to screw up my ability to blip the throttle when simultaneously using my right hand for braking. Underway and under power it’s not an issue. I’ve only ridden the thing a few hundred miles so my body may reprogram.  Interesting if others don’t notice it, also interesting if the added 2021 modes change it.

Another minor thing that could be improved is the response when the cruise control is disengaged.  If you drive a modern car and do this, you’ll notice the rate of throttle closure is not quite instantaneous, it ramps closed quickly but is not jerky.  The Guzzi version is more like an older car, it slams the throttle shut.  I figured out I could smooth it out either by opening the throttle before disengaging with the button or by pulling in the clutch to disengage.  Or a little of both, followed by resumption of manual throttle control.

Lots of fun and games getting used to a new bike.
 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 03, 2021, 01:16:31 AM
No, I don’t have any play in the throttle control.  The bike has under 2000 miles.  I’ll be careful with the throttle stop regardless, good tip.

In theory it’s good to be able to map throttle control sensitivity, but as with anything there can be unintended consequences that take a few development iterations to iron out - ask Airbus and Boeing about fly by wire over the last 30 years.

In a parking lot it’s probably good to have low rpm throttle response like a trials bike with a 22-mm carb, but as per my comments above the way the ‘road’ map is set up for that purpose seems to screw up my ability to blip the throttle when simultaneously using my right hand for braking. Underway and under power it’s not an issue. I’ve only ridden the thing a few hundred miles so my body may reprogram.  Interesting if others don’t notice it, also interesting if the added 2021 modes change it.

Another minor thing that could be improved is the response when the cruise control is disengaged.  If you drive a modern car and do this, you’ll notice the rate of throttle closure is not quite instantaneous, it ramps closed quickly but is not jerky.  The Guzzi version is more like an older car, it slams the throttle shut.  I figured out I could smooth it out either by opening the throttle before disengaging with the button or by pulling in the clutch to disengage.  Or a little of both, followed by resumption of manual throttle control.

Lots of fun and games getting used to a new bike.
 
Yes to all of that.
I always cancel the cruise by a tap on the clutch and holding a bit of throttle, as the drive is removed. Then the release of the clutch brings the revs up with a cushioning.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on June 03, 2021, 11:03:23 AM
I’m not trying to belittle your statement egschade, but really...?
It’s 90 degrees from fully closed to fully open..(or close to it).
Is it because the throttle is too heavy, that you wish the range was less ? :popcorn:

Probably more a matter of getting used to the V85TT action than the spring being too stiff but that said, w/o trying a lighter action I can't say it wouldn't help. It *seems* to require more grip rotation than I've had on other bikes and the initial rotation produces less acceleration. As others have noted this is probably a good thing for off-road use. My wrist may also have more limited range than others and at just 80 degrees so that may exasperate what I experience.

Will probably do the spring unwind in the future...
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 03, 2021, 03:07:49 PM
Probably more a matter of getting used to the V85TT action than the spring being too stiff but that said, w/o trying a lighter action I can't say it wouldn't help. It *seems* to require more grip rotation than I've had on other bikes and the initial rotation produces less acceleration. As others have noted this is probably a good thing for off-road use. My wrist may also have more limited range than others and at just 80 degrees so that may exasperate what I experience.

Will probably do the spring unwind in the future...
..exacerbate
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on June 03, 2021, 07:17:16 PM
..exacerbate

That's what I was thinking but my finders didn't collaborate!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on June 03, 2021, 08:37:34 PM
That's what I was thinking but my finders didn't collaborate!
No need to elaborate.. :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on June 14, 2021, 10:04:10 AM
Upgrading my horn and in the process noticed that the leads to the OEM horn seem to be pretty stout. Has anyone just wired a pair of horns into the existing circuit w/o using a relay? The ones I'll use draw 7A.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: redhawk47 on June 14, 2021, 10:17:51 AM
Upgrading my horn and in the process noticed that the leads to the OEM horn seem to be pretty stout. Has anyone just wired a pair of horns into the existing circuit w/o using a relay? The ones I'll use draw 7A.
I would not trust the horn button contacts to be sturdy enough,  I.e., be able to handle the current.

Dan
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on June 15, 2021, 05:56:21 AM
I would not trust the horn button contacts to be sturdy enough,  I.e., be able to handle the current.

Dan

Went with the relay as suggested. One horn works but the other doesn't. Oh well - the working one is still much louder than stock until the replacement set arrives.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pridanc on October 04, 2021, 08:56:10 AM
Trialsman, sorry for the years later reach-out but I just got my own V85, a 2021 model and found your thread so am following up. At my age and current old persons pace, the only real thing that bugs me on the bike is the harshness of the front fork over a sharp bump. As if a 2x4 was laying on the ground and I run over it.  I feel there is too much resistance so want to lessen that.  Part of my reluctance is that moons ago I used to make valving adjustments on all things "shocking" but just don't want to go down that hole any more, I just want to ride... which brings me to your thread where you mentioned that you were going to a lesser viscosity fork oil. (5 vs 7.5)  What were your impressions after doing so? Did you find the relief you were seeking?  Any other thoughts? 
Many thanks in advance!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on October 04, 2021, 03:12:31 PM
Pridanc,  You are going to love this bike.  I did the viscosity change on both my '20 Ronald version and also on my '21 Centenario with good results.  The fluid level remains constant, but the viscosity decrease takes away the harsh "running over a 2 x 4" feeling.  It is very common to get 2.5 wt fork oil and I might be tempted to use it for even better results.  Try it, if you ever want to go back to stock, there is nothing stopping you since you haven't changed anything else.  Congrats on your new bike.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on October 05, 2021, 07:25:40 AM
Went with the relay as suggested. One horn works but the other doesn't. Oh well - the working one is still much louder than stock until the replacement set arrives.

Switching the horn wiring from series to parallel made the difference - both horns putting out full (110db) volume.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on October 05, 2021, 07:33:47 AM
Pridanc,  You are going to love this bike.  I did the viscosity change on both my '20 Ronald version and also on my '21 Centenario with good results.  The fluid level remains constant, but the viscosity decrease takes away the harsh "running over a 2 x 4" feeling.  It is very common to get 2.5 wt fork oil and I might be tempted to use it for even better results.  Try it, if you ever want to go back to stock, there is nothing stopping you since you haven't changed anything else.  Congrats on your new bike.

My front forks started feeling different recently around 3600 miles. Quick adjustment up front and all is well again. Works for me and I am a large person.

I will say the back in is easier to dial in than the front. But I've generally found that to be the case.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pridanc on October 05, 2021, 04:14:26 PM
Pridanc,  You are going to love this bike.  I did the viscosity change on both my '20 Ronald version and also on my '21 Centenario with good results.  The fluid level remains constant, but the viscosity decrease takes away the harsh "running over a 2 x 4" feeling.  It is very common to get 2.5 wt fork oil and I might be tempted to use it for even better results.  Try it, if you ever want to go back to stock, there is nothing stopping you since you haven't changed anything else.  Congrats on your new bike.

Trialsman, I cannot thank you enough for the quick response. When we saw this all black 2021 V85 we were all in.

Because of your words,  I'm going to go with water in the forks...OK kidding....I will use a 2.5 weight oil or some such and go from there.  I'll keep you informed as to my thoughts on the forks.

As you point out, this bike is hard not to like and was liking the bike as soon as I test drove one in Texas. My wife and I put 40k miles on my recent Duck Multi but I got tired of the maintenance. An age thing for sure since I just want to ride. No constant drive-chain adjustments, no all-too-often cam belt replacements, nor any desmo 8-valve, valve adjustments. IMO none of those things was hard but they just take too doggone long. Having just adjusted the valves on the V85, the feeling of having purchased the right bike has intensified.

I only miss the Duc's power on those rare occasions when I have a "slip of the wrist".  The other 99.9% of the time this thing is spot on. OK, I will say that with only a few ponies I'm not sure the V85 needs TC but what the heck, there will be a time when it will kick in and I'll be grateful.

All the best and again, TY for the words.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Alfetta on October 05, 2021, 04:22:02 PM
Only a couple of days waiting to EICMA, followed by 5 years wait, and then 2 years to figure out the recall won’t happen.
Enjoy the past

Steph, I love your avatar,  Two thing to lust after, but once you have one, you realize that there are "issues" !!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on October 05, 2021, 04:37:23 PM
Feel free to ask any questions Pridanc.  I tend to look into ways to make the bike suit me.  Overall it does everything very well, maybe not perfect, but sometimes that isn't necessary.  Yesterday I played around with the modes and it seems the sport mode gives a little better throttle response, at least perceived.  You may like it a little better and it is another thing you can do and not mess up the OEM set up.  Independently, my son also found it more to his liking on his Centenario.  Pertaining to the throttle response, you might consider what Huzo and I have done.  This is a bolder step as you need to cut the throttle housing screws and grind off some of the return spring.  When done it reduces the tension to your desired amount.  I like it - my son wants his stock.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pridanc on October 06, 2021, 10:46:29 PM
Trialsman, again thanks.

So my 2021 is all black and my neighbor has a Centenario and we do stuff together. Like you, we like to make our machines suit our personal feelings / needs.  I will look into the throttle spring deal but for now I don't find the spring offensive at all. However, less may indeed be more!

I've recently installed some handlebar risers with offset. Mine came from Voigt Moto Technik and they are stunning. So far I love them but may end up with a handle bar that achieves roughly the same up and back placement but with a different angle at the grip part of the bar.

Not sure yet as my wrists are not too bothered with the slight bend my wrists take when I grab the OE bars whereas my neighbor, having broken both his wrists previously,  needs a 90 degree grip (to his arm. IE his hands are at 90 degrees to his forearm as they hang if that makes sense?) I will try his bars as well.

He has added some slightly lower and wider pegs along with the "comfort" gel "tall" seat from Guzzi. I cannot imagine that seat isn't more comfy over the miles if for no other reason it is slightly wider than the OE mid height seat but I haven't spent enough time at one sitting to pass judgement on the OE seat.  However he is taller than I so the height alone may dissuade me...but I could lower the bike. Ok, I get ahead of myself. Time will tell right?

As soon as I've changed the fork fluid I will keep you apprised of my findings realizing that there are no absolutes in this world. What I like may not work for you and vice versa. I get it but still want to share. All the best and I look forward to everyone's findings as we each build miles and enjoy our bikes.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 07, 2021, 06:24:33 AM
Just a thing about the throttle tension.
I didn’t actually take any off the spring, I just let it unwind one turn.
I have a second one on the shelf that has been done. If anyone wants it, you can post me your standard one and I’ll send you mine.
Feel free to try mine first and post back whichever one you want to keep.
A donation to the forum will cover the swap fee.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on October 07, 2021, 08:39:34 AM
I found using a throttle rocker / cramp-buster also helps mitigate the stiff throttle spring. Huzo's solution is a true fix but I find the rocker to be a usable substitute.

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Also using the Biltwell Renegade grips. I find the larger center more comfortable and makes throttle rotation easier.

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For really long days in the saddle I use a sheepskin on my low comfort saddle. Just a little more cush for the tush allows me to ride an extra couple hours.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pridanc on October 15, 2021, 12:10:41 PM
Folks,
After messing with sag, my short legged self would be real happy sitting a bit lower to the ground.

In that vein has anyone experienced either the Guzzi "comfort" gel seat in the "low" version or anyone else's seat that would put me lower to the ground and still have butt life?

I realize I can lower the entire bike but at the moment I'm good with the way the chassis sits above ground. I have not excluded going that route however.

Meanwhile, any seat info and I'm all ears.
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on October 15, 2021, 12:39:17 PM
You can reduce seat height by 20mm by simply removing the rubber buffers. I would then cover the holes with stick on felt pads to stop paint rubbing off the frame. Good luck.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 15, 2021, 06:43:44 PM
I got mine down another 20 mm by sliding the forks up and winding the preload off the shock.
You can see the difference in this shot.
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Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pridanc on October 18, 2021, 03:53:01 PM
Folks, thanks for the suggestions.

So far I'm loath to lower the bike but may have to after trying the seat lowering trick suggested. Part of my seat-wants go beyond me wanting the lower height as I also want to give the missus a better cush for her tush. Ironically the OE saddle feels OK to me, just too high. 

Using the lowest spring perch adjustment while sitting on the bike with bags, right at 55% of the available rear wheel travel was used up which wasn't OK with me.  I do realize that I may have to teach myself to become OK with it just to get the bike down! 

Even though I have enjoyed messing with shocks for a great part of my life I'm kinda over it yet a bird tells me I'm going to convince myself to pull the spring to verify its rate as well as to record the available rear wheel travel with the existing shock. At the same time  I'll see if the bump rubber (not even sure there is one but should be) isn't an issue and finally, barring all that, find a shorter bodied shock or have a shorter body shock made if I go the lower bike route. I will have an adjustable shock for bump and rebound however!

Meanwhile I have changed the fork oil and have swapped out the cat for a Y pipe. Specifically I swapped out the main cat but the 2021 has tiny cats in the primary tubes as well as best I can tell when touching/looking at them.  I've not spent any time with an earlier version so have no clue if this is new on the 2021 bike.  Nor am I 100% certain these are tiny cats but sure look, feel and "smell" like them.

Bike runs the same as far as i can tell so it is now just minus the heat-generator and a few pounds of weight.  The cat is surprisingly light BTW.

All the best and I will report back win, lose or draw in the near future. Thanks again everyone!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on October 18, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
I have had success when I needed to shorten the rear shock by building and internal spacer for the shaft to limit the extension.  This means you will have to disassemble the shock, make a spacer to provide the desired amount of length, then reassemble, charging it with nitrogen if needed.  The front can also use an internal spacer to limit the length, but usually, you can just raise it up in the triple clamps to get the desired height for the front.  In 2010 I had a brand new FE570 Husaberg which is really tall.  I hadn't crashed in years and yet I was falling all over the place in the woods.  I ended up shortening the suspension 2" and my dealer thought I was nuts.  No more crashes (or air dabs) and years later a major part of this dealer's trade is shortening suspensions for people.  Who would have thunk it?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pridanc on October 23, 2021, 09:41:00 AM
Trialsman, thanks for your thoughts. They are all appreciated. First off my neighbor and riding buddy wants to know if you ride Trials or have ridden?  I personally played around with them but my neighbor rode them in competitions (for serious fun) around the country for a while.

Next, I am going to pull the rear spring, put the shock body back on the bike and veryify honest to gosh rear wheel travel. Armed with that info I will then decide which of many paths to take. You know, since there is the proverbial "100 ways to skin a cat" thing always going on.  Of course since I can't leave well enough alone, I may then jump off into making my own rear shock. OK, probably a Penske or Ohlins since I have long history with both, but "my own" just the same.

In a perfect world I will find out that I can lower the bike yet still have as much wheel travel as before but "hecked if I know" if this is even possible just yet.  My neighbor (the trials rider) just laughs at me since I am the silly tinkerer.  Truth is that this kind of stuff makes me happy. Do I need to do it? Nope as I swear I could ride the V85 from here to eternity and still be happy as it is. 

Thanks again for all of your suggestions, and always look for more.
All the best to everyone!

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on October 23, 2021, 10:38:21 AM
Yes, I did ride trials in the 70s-80s.  I still like technical single track.  Anyway, back to the shock.  I usually place a zip tie around the shock shaft so I can see the travel.  In that way you can get the proper sag (approximately 1/3 of the total travel), find out your ideal "new" ride height,  and determine how thick the spacer needs to be when you have the shock apart.  You can machine aluminum or Delrin for the spacer.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pridanc on October 24, 2021, 05:40:03 PM
Thanks Trialsman. All the best and talk soon.
Title: V85 touring impressions (MERGED)
Post by: Huzo on January 19, 2022, 03:32:02 PM
Well I’ve long been of the opinion that I’ll never find another bike that I like as much as my Norge for what I do and for European travel that might still be true, it’s been a great relationship and still is.

That little V85 is a nice jigger once you’ve “dissolved” into a medium trip and flinging through 1,000k’s of High Country mountain passes and an additional 800 km of freeway and back roads, I can feel my eye wandering in her direction at the expense of my old flame. The Norge is certainly a dominating Rock of Gibraltar when the roads open out and the long legs begin to take larger strides, a lot of what appears in this particular rambling, may prove a nonsense next time I point her at a misty mountain outline on a beautiful morning, but I’ve opted to favour the Norge up to now and I think somewhat at my own expense.
After the first 500 corners you feel yourself developing a rhythm and the inevitable little hiccups and slight errors in judgement regarding braking points and missing apexes, fade away into the distance.

Here are some of the features on the V85 that I appreciated which I think eclipse the Norge on a ride like this.

The ability to brake deeper with the front while tipping into descending corners, with zero feeling of the front wanting to fold in. I think the 19” front wheel may be a factor but that’s a WAG, in any case it’s beautifully stable in the transitions from drive, to on the brakes and back on the power....Nice.
I know it’s not a consideration and more of an indication of general handleabilty than anything else, but if I was cajoled into having a “comparison”  :bike-037: :wink: against another rider up in the mountains and there was a bit at stake, there’d be no decision to make, the V85 rules.
That V100 is going to be a monster if it all hangs together.

Away from the tight stuff, the cruise control is a great feature and one that I used to wave off as superfluous, I’ve completely changed my mind. It allows you to keep your mental attention out ahead where it should be and without the constant spectre of losing $$$ (or your licence) for a minor infraction, tension reduces.
The Police presence up there is intense and ever present...

Jumping out of tight corners and uphill, there is good drive from 3,000 for sure, the motor spins up very willingly and the smallest of bumps in the road will have the front wheel elevate and the yellow shift lights flick in your vision, very nice liquid flow of torque and the new low muffler has a deep bass rumble that builds to a willing snarl as the digits flick deceptively quickly towards triple figures.
The sheer lack of bulk and greater willingness to alter speed and direction, is what sets it apart most from the Norge.
You V100 guys are gonna’ REALLY love your new bike..

I’ve long believed (and still do), that you don’t find out how good your bike is for distance riding, until bits start to bite after 800 km. For me at my age, that’s when I start to think of things that could be better, speaking of which.

The seat..
A bit hard after a long(ish) day. I’ve had worse and it takes a while to manifest, but it could be a fraction better.
I like the relatively low ‘pegs and being a narrow bodied thing (the bike that is..), I personally don’t have an issue with ground clearance.

Both my Norge and V85 exist and excell (for me), in different areas, but the dividing line is becoming blurred. I’m starting to wonder if Italy goes ahead this year, about taking the ‘85 to Mandello instead of the Norge.
Now I never thought I’d say that...!

I didn’t take many shots, but here’s a couple, I think some are on another thread. https://youtu.be/EFzDT7TUcMs


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Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: guzzler on January 19, 2022, 03:41:25 PM
Great riding up there eh...!
Cheers Guzzler
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: PJPR01 on January 19, 2022, 04:51:38 PM
I think you've just discovered that touring can be done well on either bike.  One can take a long trip in the Range Rover with a different level of comfort than the 911 or other vehicle of choice.

Both can be done, both are different experiences, both have their pluses and very few minuses, and both engage the driver in a different way.

I just think you have two different plates of pasta with two different sauces...but both equally delicious and enjoyable.

Ride on!!
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: twowings on January 19, 2022, 06:30:41 PM
Thanks for that evaluation!

I love my Norge for all time, but there are so many unpaved roads where I live now that I need something a little more cobby* to explore this beautiful area.

*check your old UK or American motorcycle magazine reviews  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: tommy2cyl on January 19, 2022, 06:30:55 PM
I have owned mine 2 1/2 years and just shy of 12,000 miles.  I have done two long trips and been through 11 states.  This is my appraisal.  I like to hit the road by 9:00 am in the morning and I want off the bike by 4:00.  I like to camp 2 days in a row and get a hotel room on the 3rd day.  The bike has enough of a presence that it is very comfortable and stable on the interstates.  It handles cross winds  & air wash off of semi's very well.  I use the cruise control 85% of the time on long hauls and I am not fatigued at the end of the day.  For me, this is one of a few bikes I have ever owned that the OEM seat is fine.  I carry about 60 lbs of gear.  I prefer soft luggage so I rarely use the OEM aluminum panniers and top case and save about 26 pounds.  I do have a small lockable Harbor Freight rear top case that works great for stuff that needs to be locked away.  Use Hepco Becker tank bag that attaches via magnet to the bracket.
Once you get into the twisties the bike is nimble and flickable with plenty of motor ride the torque curve and provide endless grins.  Then, when the road surface turns to gravel and fire roads the bike is more than willing and capable to take you on the path less traveled.  Honestly, what more can you ask for?  I owned a Honda ST 1100 for 20 years and it was a wonderful high speed mile munching touring machine.  But it weighed 650 pounds and was heavy on the curvey roads and not the right tool for the gravel roads.  I owned the first year 2002 Suzuki VStrom 1100 for 18 years /60 K miles, and it was a wonderful machine and responsible for the next chapter and choice of the V 85.  The versatility of this machine is very hard to beat.   

 
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Trialsman on January 19, 2022, 06:32:50 PM
I have ridden across country to Colorado on both the Norge and two different V85s.  Although the Norge is more comfortable on the Flat stretch between PA and CO, the V85 has the cruise control and it is pretty comfortable.  My days out and back were between 500 and 600mi.  The biggest difference and the V85 goes for the win here..........when you get to the mountains and you want to do a rocky mountain pass road, the V85 is at home.  The Norge is terrifying in any off road conditions.  I loved the Norge but the V85 is here to stay.  It is almost as if they built it for my specifications.  Another comparison was the Tail of the Dragon.  I have done it on many bikes including the Norge and the two V85s.  The quicker handling and rock solid feel through the tight turns make the V85 much quicker over the 318 turns in its 11 miles.  Although I hated to do it, I did sell my Norge in favor of the V85 platform.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 19, 2022, 06:54:06 PM
Nice review.  I think every bike has a niche where it truly shines, but there is a lot of overlap between bikes and it is more the rider than the bike considering the level of comfort and weather protection they are going for.

I did a 7000 mile tour on a prepared Kawasaki Versys 650 with the only complaint being chain maintenance.

If I had owned the V7III back then I'm sure it would have handled the same tour when prepared for touring.

Sure, the tours on the Kawasaki Concours 1400 and Triumph Trophy SE were more mellow and more main roads, but other than the relaxed state of the engines they didn't bring too much more to the table with the exception of the cruise control and electronically adjustable suspension on the Triumph.

The Vulcan Voyager 1700 and the Road Glide are mile eaters, but when the roads get really twisty and/or less than perfectly smooth the pace slows down quite a bit.

I think any bike can be used to tour, depending on what and where the tour is, and how many miles you hope to cover in a day. 

If I had the time and the money for hotels and restaurants I could ride the KLX300SM or the Van Van 200 around the US. 
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: LowRyter on January 19, 2022, 09:09:49 PM
Interesting comparisons.  I've ridden both bikes.  I did feel the front on the 85 was tad soft and felt a little squirrely making turns.  I'm guess it's a matter of getting the feel for it and once the rider builds confidence it works pretty well?
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Ncdan on January 19, 2022, 09:14:08 PM
Nice review.  I think every bike has a niche where it truly shines, but there is a lot of overlap between bikes and it is more the rider than the bike considering the level of comfort and weather protection they are going for.

I did a 7000 mile tour on a prepared Kawasaki Versys 650 with the only complaint being chain maintenance.

If I had owned the V7III back then I'm sure it would have handled the same tour when prepared for touring.

Sure, the tours on the Kawasaki Concours 1400 and Triumph Trophy SE were more mellow and more main roads, but other than the relaxed state of the engines they didn't bring too much more to the table with the exception of the cruise control and electronically adjustable suspension on the Triumph.

The Vulcan Voyager 1700 and the Road Glide are mile eaters, but when the roads get really twisty and/or less than perfectly smooth the pace slows down quite a bit.

I think any bike can be used to tour, depending on what and where the tour is, and how many miles you hope to cover in a day. 

If I had the time and the money for hotels and restaurants I could ride the KLX300SM or the Van Van 200 around the US.
Yep, after following Huzo across the continent of Down Under on his little Honda Pop Cycle, there’s no doubt that one can tour on most anything if they have the determination and the physical ability 👍
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Huzo on January 19, 2022, 10:02:54 PM
Every post following mine seems spot on to me. Some people brought up different points and I’m bound to admit they’re accurate.
I didn’t mention, although it was obvious in the photo’s, that I am running Michelin Pilot 5’s.
I have never ridden the bike anywhere meaningful on anything else and never will. I wonder if some of the squirrely feeling experienced by some, could be a function of the blocky tread pattern of the off road tyres.
I will say that you’ve to keep a nice light grip on the ‘bars and loose in the arms. If you do not, any bump or undulation will result in a movement in your arms and that translates through to the ‘bars.
Keep nice and loose and it tracks like a knife.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Huzo on January 20, 2022, 06:12:53 AM
Great riding up there eh...!
Cheers Guzzler
Yes Guzz.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Trialsman on January 20, 2022, 08:30:07 AM
As I have often said, the V85 does nothing 100%.........but it does do everything 90-95% !!!
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: inditx on January 20, 2022, 08:45:39 AM
Thanks mate!  :rolleyes:
Now I have to go and ride a V85 again!  :bike-037: (my test ride 2 up did not fair well with us)
You are so right as no test/demo ride can tell you what a bike is really like. You need to put many miles on her on many different roads.
inditx
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: egschade on January 20, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
Interesting comparisons.  I've ridden both bikes.  I did feel the front on the 85 was tad soft and felt a little squirrely making turns.  I'm guess it's a matter of getting the feel for it and once the rider builds confidence it works pretty well?

Getting the preload, damping and tire pressure tuned to your riding style will help. Hamlin's set mine up prior to pickup and I haven't touched their settings other than to increase preload a touch in the front and 2 notches on the rear. Front tire pressure is 35 PSI and rear 40. The other possibility is with wider bars than other Guzzis (at least that I've owned), I had to adjust my steering inputs to be lighter than before.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Trialsman on January 20, 2022, 12:58:34 PM
I set my sag right away, then changed the front fluid to 5wt instead of 7.5wt for better compression damping.  The rear is the Ohlins unit.  My bars are a touch higher and I put "CR High" off road style at about 1" shorter on each side.  Finally the pegs were dropped about 1-1/2"( BMW stainless pegs from Touratech).
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on January 20, 2022, 04:40:54 PM
This guy gave the V85TT a very good review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roU9iF8B-z0
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Matteo on January 20, 2022, 06:25:38 PM
Huzo I hear ya. I have decided to keep the 85 and make the rest available for sale. I added heated grips and Givi hand guard extensions. None of the others fit as well or feel so simpatico. Although I might  hang on to the 65.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on January 21, 2022, 01:40:58 AM
Well I’ve long been of the opinion that I’ll never find another bike that I like as much as my Norge for what I do and fthe smallest of bumps in the road will have the front wheel elevate
Wow, mm. Inches or feet ?
I found v85 pretty compliant, guess you can provoke, lucky you’re allowed to
TC must be kind
Some kill wheelies
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Huzo on January 21, 2022, 06:37:14 AM
Wow, mm. Inches or feet ?
I found v85 pretty compliant, guess you can provoke, lucky you’re allowed to
TC must be kind
Some kill wheelies
There’s no way I would expect the TC to allow a proper wheelie due to the reasons you allude to.
The whole point was/is, that the drive available is healthy it pulls surprisingly and satisfyingly hard, from the low end of the rev range.
I would think that a full and sustained wheelie, would result in the front wheel beginning to slow down, resulting in a condition where the rear wheel rpm was exceeding the front by more than the allowable amount, the system would sense a rear wheel spin up and the TC would activate.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Sye on January 21, 2022, 08:19:50 AM
I don't know what tyres are fitted for the US market but mine came with Dunlop Trailsmart's. I've never used them before but have found them to be fantastic. Excellent grip wet or dry and tracks as if on rails. No experience of any squirming or tracking at all.

It did take me a while to find the optimal settings for my weight (190lbs) but once set up it's perfect. A slight nudge on the inside bar sees the bike drop like a second rate boxer and it holds and changes line beautifully. Oh, I found the stock 36 - 42psi a touch too much and settled on 34 - 40psi. Sometimes a small change makes a big difference. Very happy teddy.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: blu guzz on January 22, 2022, 08:25:31 AM
I bought one of the first ones.  My only issue was a small heat shield vibrated off and replaced under warranty.  I have taken a dozen mid-range trips on it (400-800 miles).
Modifications: Y-pipe, center stand, removed butt stop, Cal-sci tall screen, wind wing for top of screen.
Complaints:  seat is not perfect for me, it's good but I am ready to get off after 400 miles.  sheepskin helps. 
It will get pushed around on our interstates - it will go any speed I want up to the ton, but I solve this one by not being in a hurry, setting the cc for 65mph and cruise along in the right lane and of course avoiding the interstate whenever there is a good alternative route.
The height is a bother, not fatal for me yet, but a little uncomfortable when fully packed.
That's all really.
I second all the rest of the good things previously mentioned.  The best all arounder I have ever ridden.
Title: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: KiowaEagle on June 06, 2022, 10:32:57 AM
I just purchased a 2021 V85TT Adventure and I'm loving it. I'm an inline 4 guy so this is a completely different animal for me.

I'm trying to figure out what octane fuel is recommended though. I've searched the manual and online and can't find anything other than not more than 10% ethanol. I live in the US in the northeast corridor so non ethanol fuel isn't easy to find although it is available sporadically. So what octane should I be using?
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: dave1068 on June 06, 2022, 10:36:06 AM
Welcome to the V85TT world, I have over 9000 miles on mine and I only use 87 and no problems. I avg about 52mpg.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: 9fingers on June 06, 2022, 11:11:06 AM
I only use 93 in my V7III. I don't care if lower octane will work. The dealer told me to use premium.
Enjoy the new bike!
Scott
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: Tusayan on June 06, 2022, 11:11:53 AM
It’s not in V85TT owners manual that I could find, but it is on a sticker someplace on the bike.  I’ve forgotten exactly where, but it’s somewhere obscure like in the saddlebags (?).  The recommendation is for something with higher octane than regular - the usual interpretation and head scratching is required depending on what octane scale was spec’d by Piaggio.  I’ve been using 89 US pump octane after noticing some pinging with regular but as with any bike I’d use the lowest octane that doesn’t ping.
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: Dirk_S on June 06, 2022, 12:42:39 PM
Welcome.

The Technical Data section in the owners manual shows 95 RON, which is equivalent to about 91 Octane in the US unit


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PS - I’m originally from York County. Always nice to see another southeastern or -central Pennsylvanian on here :)
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: KiowaEagle on June 06, 2022, 03:19:26 PM
Thanks everyone for your input. It almost seems like I posted an oil thread from the range of opinions!

Tusayan, I like your philosophy, use the lowest octane that doesn’t ping. It makes sense. I don't want to have to be using premium if I don't have to. Especially at today's prices.
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: Cam3512 on June 06, 2022, 06:27:54 PM
I was on a multi day trip a few weeks ago, and filled up with 89 a couple times thinking it would have more turnover than the expensive stuff.  I usually fill all my bikes with high octane.  The V85 was a bit loaded, and it was HOT (95f).  I was getting some pinging on heavy throttle on takeoff.


  Back to the good stuff for me.
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: Tkelly on June 06, 2022, 07:41:00 PM
FWIW I have been using 87 in my Stelvio for the past year and notice no difference from premium.Probably around 10000 miles out of the 72000 on the bike.
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: egschade on June 13, 2022, 09:00:50 AM
At least in NJ the cost difference between plus and premium is much less than between regular and plus. For me it's not worth it to run anything less than premium (91) octane.
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: Huzo on June 13, 2022, 09:10:48 AM
Thanks everyone for your input. It almost seems like I posted an oil thread from the range of opinions!

Tusayan, I like your philosophy
No surprises there… :thumb:
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: raulnor on June 13, 2022, 09:38:40 AM
If any of you guys live in the US near a Circle-K station, on Thursdays they automatically take $.20 off at the pump per gallon of premium fuel. I just top up each week, the .20 off is enough to nearly match the price of 89 octane, but I am getting 91/93 depending on the station!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2022, 05:36:52 PM
I hope Guzzi is not still chasing BMW!   They have done it for decades and it has almost never been successful.
Ummmm…. :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2022, 05:37:45 PM
Concept bike. Code for "will never make it into production."

If I see another Oberdan Bezzi puerile fantasy, I may just vomit.

 :violent1:
Don’t you just love him ?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2022, 05:38:59 PM
Only a couple of days waiting to EICMA, followed by 5 years wait, and then 2 years to figure out the recall won’t happen.
Enjoy the past
That’s half way through the first page..!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2022, 05:44:23 PM
Speculation by it’s very nature is fraught with danger, but I do love to see people cheerily and self righteously digging a hole for themselves that they will ultimately end up in…. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :clock:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on January 30, 2023, 05:16:11 AM
Hey all, as some of you know, I’ve had about 12 or 13 Geese in these last 19 years of street riding, nearly every iteration.  I am considering purchase of a TT.  The new incentives from MG are hard to pass up but if I should buy used, are there any known issues I should be on the lookout for per se?  Dash failures?  Mechanical issues?  Etc.?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on January 30, 2023, 06:03:49 AM
I have 24xxx miles on my 2020 bought in Summer 2019.  It is a Euro 4 bike.  Thus far, no issues at all.  The only other bike that I had that I could say the same about was a Victory.
If you go for it, I hope you enjoy it.
Title: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: egschade on February 17, 2023, 09:09:21 AM
Has anyone been using the Scorpion Rally STR tires on their V85TT? I'm replacing the OEM Anikee tires and these received good reviews for both on-road (sticky, quiet) and gravel/dirt roads (good bite and lateral grip). Only knock was durability (I'm not a high-mileage rider and these should last me 15-18 months) and mud (which I avoid).


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Title: Re: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: Beowulf on February 18, 2023, 09:08:39 AM
Probably doesn’t help much but I had a set of pirelli scorpions on my roadster. Different tread pattern. Can’t imagine those wouldn’t do well. But I’ve been wrong before. I liked them.

Been on a continental kick lately.
Title: Re: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: Guzikid on February 21, 2023, 09:22:24 PM
  I went thru 2 sets and they were very good both on dry and wet roads with good handling characteristics but,  I didn't get the long term mileage out of them and I'm not a hard riding enthusiast either !  Try them out you may have different results  with your riding abilities/habits/techniques ............The Kid
Title: Re: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: egschade on February 24, 2023, 06:46:29 AM
Thanks for the feedback. I did get a set and intend to mount them this (very cold) weekend after I seal the wheels so I can go tubeless.

I'll be using marine sealant on the spokes and that super-sticky 3M tape over that to cover/protect things. From everything I've read and seen the combo pretty much ensures a leak free seal provided the wheels are properly prepared.


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Title: Re: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: 9fingers on February 25, 2023, 07:05:47 AM
Good luck on sealing the wheels Eric! Cleanliness is everything, but I am sure you have read all of the articles, and watched all the same vids I did. If you do have any small spoke leaks when done, a bottle of tire sealant, carefully applied to the rim worked for me and has held for over a year. BTW, I got a great deal on a Metzler Tourance rear ($142) from Chaparral Motorsports, for my V Strom, and it arrives today. I will me more set for dirt roads than previusly. Trying to wear down the front Dunlop 90/10 tire before I replace that one.
Scott
Title: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 25, 2023, 03:14:35 PM
Hello, just joined the forum.

I am considering a V85TT, probably a Travel or Centenario model.  I have three bikes, two Royal Enfields and a 2016 Gold Wing.  I am gradually looking for a replacement for the Wing.  I want a smaller, more nimble bike with an adventure bike riding position that can do some light off-roading.

This bike has a lot of features I am looking for. It has cruise, shaft drive, tubeless wheels, heated grips, two year warranty, and is reasonably priced.  Those combination of features are not easy to find.

I skimmed the service manual today to see how easy it is to change the oil, adjust the valves, and remove the wheels as I would do that work myself most of the time.  I was pleasantly surprised to see doing those things looks pretty straightforward.  Looks like screw and nut valve adjusters vs. shim and bucket - major bonus.  I actually like the air-cooled, modestly powered engine.  I also find having a simple key and instrument cluster attractive. My REs have taught me the value of simplicity.

The two things missing are a quickshifter and a nearby dealer.  The closest is 250 miles away.

I know that this will not be a direct replacement for the Wing - and I very hesitant to replace mine because I have done a lot of modifications to it, it is reliable, and Honda dealers are everywhere.  I just cannot get away from the low seat height and weight of the bike.

I am checking in here to see what your thoughts might be on making a move like this.  I am heading out of town in a few weeks and happen to be going to an area that has an MG dealer.  They have several V85TTs in stock.  I will stop by for a test-sit and kick the tires.

Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Sykestone8886 on February 25, 2023, 03:40:35 PM
I have the 2022 travel edition I really like the bike easy to handle and does everything I want it to do, hopefully you can find a dealer and do a test ride, I downsized from a 1200 GS great bike but the weight was beginning to be a challenge, good luck in your search I think you’ll like it !!!
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Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: AJ Huff on February 25, 2023, 03:44:37 PM
People here love em. I think they're hideously ugly. But being a favorite bike on the board, you'll get lots of great info here. Welcome!

-AJ
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Huzo on February 25, 2023, 03:52:17 PM
People here love em. I think they're hideously ugly. You'll get lots of great info here. Welcome!

-AJ
Yeah, horrible.
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Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 25, 2023, 05:47:36 PM
Thanks for the welcome!  Do these bikes have traction control and cornering ABS?  I cannot seem to find an answer to that.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: blu guzz on February 25, 2023, 06:14:20 PM
traction control and abs standard, don't know if it is cornering or not.  Definitely test ride it if you get the opportunity.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 25, 2023, 07:54:28 PM
Very confidence inspiring. I find myself riding faster that I should in the curves because the bike can handle it with aplomb!

I personally don't understand the desire for a quickshifter.  Reminds me of the Honda Z50.  Back when we hadn't yet mastered the skill of using a clutch lever.

Of the two bikes you mentioned, only the travel comes with the heated grips already installed, so negotiate them into the centenario purchase if you go that route.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 25, 2023, 08:19:45 PM
Hello, just joined the forum.

I am considering a V85TT, probably a Travel or Centenario model.  I have three bikes, two Royal Enfields and a 2016 Gold Wing.  I am gradually looking for a replacement for the Wing.  I want a smaller, more nimble bike with an adventure bike riding position that can do some light off-roading.

This bike has a lot of features I am looking for. It has cruise, shaft drive, tubeless wheels, heated grips, two year warranty, and is reasonably priced.  Those combination of features are not easy to find.

I skimmed the service manual today to see how easy it is to change the oil, adjust the valves, and remove the wheels as I would do that work myself most of the time.  I was pleasantly surprised to see doing those things looks pretty straightforward.  Looks like screw and nut valve adjusters vs. shim and bucket - major bonus.  I actually like the air-cooled, modestly powered engine.  I also find having a simple key and instrument cluster attractive. My REs have taught me the value of simplicity.

The two things missing are a quickshifter and a nearby dealer.  The closest is 250 miles away.

I know that this will not be a direct replacement for the Wing - and I very hesitant to replace mine because I have done a lot of modifications to it, it is reliable, and Honda dealers are everywhere.  I just cannot get away from the low seat height and weight of the bike.

I am checking in here to see what your thoughts might be on making a move like this.  I am heading out of town in a few weeks and happen to be going to an area that has an MG dealer.  They have several V85TTs in stock.  I will stop by for a test-sit and kick the tires.

Welcome... Go for the v85. Sounds like you have a firm grasp of what this unique brand brings to the motorcycle experience. You will not regret it and we all look forward to seeing what your second Moto Guzzi will be.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: 9fingers on February 25, 2023, 08:45:27 PM
Yeah, horrible.
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Huzo, yours looks a little bit north of AWESOME! Really great looking.
Scott
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: jrt on February 25, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
It will have a lot more power than the RE's, less than the GW.   The handling is really outstanding; I had one for awhile and sold it because I am a power junkie.  I thought it was a bit tall to swing a leg over (I'm 32" inseam), but not crazy like some KTM dirt bikes that I've had.  Once moving, the center of gravity is low enough that it is very manuverable.  Get a windscreen that works for you and it is an all-day mileage bike.  I personally think it might be more than a handful off-road, but if off-road is gravel, then it is perfectly fine.  If off-road is single-track, then it is going to be heavy. 
Maintenance is super-easy.
It is a very good motorbike.  I was happy with mine.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Huzo on February 26, 2023, 03:08:08 AM
Huzo, yours looks a little bit north of AWESOME! Really great looking.
Scott
The ONLY thing that MIGHT be above some guys is the mandrel bent headers, but they are now commercially available…(They weren’t when I did mine and I sort of wanted my own shape.
All I’ve done is the lower guard, low pipe, Denali spots, polished the rims and gotten rid of as much of the black as readily possible.
A couple of other things, but nothing Earth shattering.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Sykestone8886 on February 26, 2023, 06:22:54 AM
I’ve come to realize there is no such thing as the perfect motorcycle, but for now the V85tt is about as good as it gets, just my opinion!!!
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Scout63 on February 26, 2023, 06:40:25 AM
Yeah, horrible.
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I never even gave a new MG a passing thought until I saw your pictures Peter.  Now I want one just like that. The red really pops.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 26, 2023, 06:55:19 AM
It will have a lot more power than the RE's, less than the GW.   The handling is really outstanding; I had one for awhile and sold it because I am a power junkie.  I thought it was a bit tall to swing a leg over (I'm 32" inseam), but not crazy like some KTM dirt bikes that I've had.  Once moving, the center of gravity is low enough that it is very manuverable.  Get a windscreen that works for you and it is an all-day mileage bike.  I personally think it might be more than a handful off-road, but if off-road is gravel, then it is perfectly fine.  If off-road is single-track, then it is going to be heavy. 
Maintenance is super-easy.
It is a very good motorbike.  I was happy with mine.

Thanks. Glad to know about the handling - I am not a peg scraper, but I do love to get into it in the curves, safely.  Not going to do anything crazy off-road.  One of my REs is a Himalayan, and I have that if I want to do some serious discovering.  The V85TT would be my longer ride bike, replacing the Wing.  There have been times when I want to take a gravel road or two and don't dare with the Wing.  If a Wing goes down in some mud, might need a helicopter to get it upright again.  Forest roads, gravel, etc. would be all the MG is subjected to.

I see that Madstad and Cal-Sci make windscreen for the V85TT ... I own both on different bikes and would put one on the V85TT.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 26, 2023, 06:58:43 AM
Very confidence inspiring. I find myself riding faster that I should in the curves because the bike can handle it with aplomb!

I personally don't understand the desire for a quickshifter.  Reminds me of the Honda Z50.  Back when we hadn't yet mastered the skill of using a clutch lever.

Of the two bikes you mentioned, only the travel comes with the heated grips already installed, so negotiate them into the centenario purchase if you go that route.

Thank you, I caught that when I was looking at what the different models offered.

I would definitely get factory heated grips, center stand, possibly engine guards. 

Quickshifter - never had one so I want something new.  Have gone back and forth on wanting an Africa Twin DCT for a similar reason.  Not needed, but enhances the ride for what I can tell, just being able to blip the shifter up and down versus clutching.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: aproud1 on February 26, 2023, 07:04:22 AM
Thanks. Glad to know about the handling - I am not a peg scraper, but I do love to get into it in the curves, safely.  Not going to do anything crazy off-road.  One of my REs is a Himalayan, and I have that if I want to do some serious discovering.  The V85TT would be my longer ride bike, replacing the Wing.  There have been times when I want to take a gravel road or two and don't dare with the Wing.  If a Wing goes down in some mud, might need a helicopter to get it upright again.  Forest roads, gravel, etc. would be all the MG is subjected to.

I see that Madstad and Cal-Sci make windscreen for the V85TT ... I own both on different bikes and would put one on the V85TT.

V85tt is very happy to roll down a gravel road. Also very happy to go down curvy pavement. It's a great ride.

Some of us went lower on the windscreen. I angled my stock screen back so clean air hit my helmet but not my chest. Everyone has different preferences though.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 26, 2023, 07:12:30 AM
I’ve come to realize there is no such thing as the perfect motorcycle, but for now the V85tt is about as good as it gets, just my opinion!!!

I have had that same realization.  Some get as close to 90% of what I am looking for, but there always seems to be one major shortcoming or several small ones.  I like the new VStrom 1050 - but it has chain drive.  Major shortcoming.  I like the Triumph 1200s - but new ones have a 270 degree crank, now a sweet sounding triple sounds like a twin - they have a quirky navigation/touchscreen system - also, they are expensive. Africa Twin DCT makes a lot of sense - but it has a chain drive and has a lot of electronics.  My Wing has a lot of features I like, but it is just too big, too low (seat height 29"), and doesn't have the suspension travel for a great ride.  Believe it or not, my RE Himalayan rides better than my Wing on most roads.   

The only reason I am looking at bikes that big is they are models that come with all of the equipment I want.

That's where the V85TT enters - shaft drive, cruise, simple electronics, long cruising range, easy to maintain.  The dealer network, parts, etc. are the major shortcomings. I don't mind riding 250 miles /400 km one way for service once per year, though.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 26, 2023, 07:27:13 AM
Thank you again for all of the replies.  This is helpful.

For some context, here are bikes on my short list for context with reasons why and (why not):

1. V85TT - shaft drive, mid-sized engine, cruise, cruising range, easy to maintain, lightweight, unique style, LED lighting, simple electronics, tubeless tires, 2 year warranty (dealer network, parts availability, resale value/ability to resell)
2. VStrom 1050 - decent dealer network (three in my region), simple electronics, cruise, cast wheels, lots of aftermarket support, great V-twin engine (chain drive, a little boring, hard to service)
3. Tiger 1200 GT Explorer - shaft drive, 3 year warranty, great seat height, cruise, cruising range, cast wheels, dealer in town(might be too tall, expensive, high depreciation, don't like 270 degree triple, complicated electronics)
4. Versys 1000 - unique 4 cylinder, great handling, good seating position, cheap used (chain drive, poor shifter feel, a little heavy, hard to service)
5. GS1250 - shaft drive, 3 year warranty, cruise, cruising range, tubeless tires, lots of aftermarket support (expensive to maintain, no dealer nearby, complicated electronics, not unique)
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: brother dave on February 26, 2023, 07:43:56 AM
traction control and abs standard, don't know if it is cornering or not.  Definitely test ride it if you get the opportunity.
ABS and TC yes.
Cornering ABS no.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: blu guzz on February 26, 2023, 07:52:47 AM
I am going to give you my experience from the practical first than the passion.
Practical:
You have listed most of the usual suspects when it comes to competition except many look at KTM as well.  But for me, one point stands out.  Other than the Suzuki and Kawi (don't know the prices, just assuming they are high value), the MG bikes are far less expensive than the euro competition you mentioned. They all also have much larger engines. Price and size wise, the Rotax derived Beemers are closer natural competitors for the V85 although still more money when bags and other accessories are needed (no cruise control) and chain drive of course.
I bought one of the very first in summer of 19.  It is a euro 4 model so a little different than what you would get and I have tubes unfortunately.  But, I just did the 24,000 mile oil change yesterday and so far, it has been Asian like in its reliability.  There is a lower right side bash plate/exhaust cover that has vibrated itself to where I have had to repair it, that's it.  Also, unlike every Beemer I owned, it doesn't need an aftermarket seat and suspension (easily $2,000 saved).  All I have put on it is the tall Calsci tall screen and hand grip extenders for cold riding.  Tires last about 9,000 miles for me which is 50% longer than any other bike I ever owned. Wheels are super easy to unmount and remount, I walk them into the dealer for tires.
From the heart:
You will never ride another bike with the unique feel of this one unless it is another Guzzi.  This is why you have to take a long test ride.  I don't know if it is a special balance because of the engine configuration or some other reason, but for me, it just feels right.  When you are slicing through turns, it is so neutral and light as to almost anticipate what your want to do next. Along with that is the seemingly perfect amount of torque as long as you are 3,000 rpm or up, 4,000 and up is downright exciting and 5,000 and up you better have your head in the game. You may catch your inner bad boy trying to come out and play.  The V is very smooth with just enough vibe to let you know you are not riding an electric bike, but not bothersome at all.  While the looks could be considered controversial, it always gets compliments and this is personal to me, I never considered this adventure style in all my years of riding because I am vain about my bikes and could not stand to be seen on any of those others (my Beemers were always faired bikes).
Summary: 
I think you would like the bike, but we are all different.  If any of you are fans of the looks of the other bikes I mentioned, no offense was intended. Let us know what you do.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: tommy2cyl on February 26, 2023, 08:21:09 AM
I bought mine July 2019.  My list of desired parameters: 500 lbs curb weight, less than 1000 cc, air cooled, twin engine, shaft drive, 19 inch front wheel, easy maintenance, not too cluttered with electronics, good value for price, light steering, adventure bike with relatively long suspension travel and decent ground
clearance &  able to ride 8 hour days.   Put those down on paper and there was one choice.  After owning the V 85 the cruise control has been a game changer.  The only downside was tubed wheels which I rectified when I purchased new tubeless wheels.  My only prior Italian bike was a Ducati 900 SS and it is a joy once again to walk out into the shop and see this beauty sitting there, my only subjective comment regarding this motorcycle. 

I read somewhere on this forum at some point over the last 4 years:  Test ride a Moto Guzzi for 30 minutes and you'll never own one.  Ride one for a month and you will never own anything else.  Not sure I totally agree with that because I was pretty smitten within the first 10 minutes of my test ride which I promptly came back from and purchased the bike.  Point being that MG's have something special that takes awhile to fully appreciate.

Buy the V 85 now, and when you are deciding what may be your perfect ride,  you may very well discover after a year or less that in fact you have already found it.

Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Dave Swanson on February 26, 2023, 10:13:59 AM

Buy the V 85 now, and when you are deciding what may be your perfect ride,  you may very well discover after a year or less that in fact you have already found it.

That's a great way of stating it.  The V85 is a special bike. 
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Trialsman on February 26, 2023, 11:01:58 AM
I knew this concept bike would suite me if they ever built it.  I followed the progress and put a deposit on one before you were supposed to do so.  I flew from Pgh to N. Carolina and picked up one of the first ones in the country to ride home.  My background included the Honda ST1300, KTM 990, BMW K1200, RS1200GS, and F800 GSA.  All were very good bikes, but the V85 did everything really well - not perfect, but really well.  It's seating is relatively low and comfortable for longer trips.  Weight is not a feather, but feels good with the low center.  Handling is very precise and the power is very adequate as a solo rider.  I rode across Canada with it as well as rocky mountain passes in Colorado. Since then, I have given it to my son (who loves it) and bought the Centenario from Cadre in Ohio.  It is about three hundred miles away but he is an excellent dealer and, to tell the truth, the bike just doesn't need anything.  My younger son also has a Centenario. I have made some personal changes, as did Huzo, and as we all tend to do.  My new bike has been across country to ride the Top of the Rockies rally and is very much at home on the mountain roads as well as the highway.  It is my "go to" bike for everything but serious off road where I will ride the 570 Berg or my Alta.  You can wait and search for the perfect bike and you will still be waiting and searching years from now.  This bike is the most pleasant bike I have ever ridden.  As for the looks, paint and a little thought can make a world of difference.

(https://i.ibb.co/94xXrdV/V85-TT-Green-IV.jpg) (https://ibb.co/94xXrdV)

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Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 26, 2023, 01:55:23 PM
I knew this concept bike would suite me if they ever built it.  I followed the progress and put a deposit on one before you were supposed to do so.  I flew from Pgh to N. Carolina and picked up one of the first ones in the country to ride home.  My background included the Honda ST1300, KTM 990, BMW K1200, RS1200GS, and F800 GSA.  All were very good bikes, but the V85 did everything really well - not perfect, but really well.  It's seating is relatively low and comfortable for longer trips.  Weight is not a feather, but feels good with the low center.  Handling is very precise and the power is very adequate as a solo rider.  I rode across Canada with it as well as rocky mountain passes in Colorado. Since then, I have given it to my son (who loves it) and bought the Centenario from Cadre in Ohio.  It is about three hundred miles away but he is an excellent dealer and, to tell the truth, the bike just doesn't need anything.  My younger son also has a Centenario. I have made some personal changes, as did Huzo, and as we all tend to do.  My new bike has been across country to ride the Top of the Rockies rally and is very much at home on the mountain roads as well as the highway.  It is my "go to" bike for everything but serious off road where I will ride the 570 Berg or my Alta.  You can wait and search for the perfect bike and you will still be waiting and searching years from now.  This bike is the most pleasant bike I have ever ridden.  As for the looks, paint and a little thought can make a world of difference.

Love your color, especially the seat, which is why the Centenario is my first choice.  I would want fog lights, center stand, heated grips too. 

I notice you said seating is relatively low. My Himalayan, with a Seat Concepts tall seat, is about 32.5-33", similar to V85TT.  That bike fits me very well, one of the most natural seating positions on a machine I've experienced.  I checked on cycle-ergo.com and the V85 looks good.  No Himalayan to compare it, but much better seating position than my Wing (see pics - assuming they load).


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Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 26, 2023, 02:02:48 PM
I must admit that initially, the V85 did not appeal to me visually. Hence the Stornello TT.  I put in new fork Springs. 420MM rear shocks that resulted in a 1.5" static lift (3/4" seated), a custom mount for bags on both sides, crash bars, the Multimedia module and a bunc of other stuff to include a raised seat on my Stornello. It has so far been a very capable alternative.  But DAG NAB IT..... The 2023 is showing a Blue/White with red frame that is calling to me.............
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Huzo on February 26, 2023, 02:50:40 PM
Bumped for VStarRider
There are some good impressions here from several riders.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Huzo on February 26, 2023, 02:57:20 PM
Love your color, especially the seat, which is why the Centenario is my first choice.  I would want fog lights, center stand, heated grips too. 

I notice you said seating is relatively low. My Himalayan, with a Seat Concepts tall seat, is about 32.5-33", similar to V85TT.  That bike fits me very well, one of the most natural seating positions on a machine I've experienced.  I checked on cycle-ergo.com and the V85 looks good.  No Himalayan to compare it, but much better seating position than my Wing (see pics - assuming they load).


(https://i.ibb.co/rxFCDD9/Screenshot-2023-02-26-at-2-46-58-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/rxFCDD9)

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One of the things I did to mine that actually matter IMO, is the replacement of the unnecessarily heavy throttle pull with a much lighter one.
I have a second one if it becomes an issue.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Huzo on February 26, 2023, 03:00:04 PM
I never even gave a new MG a passing thought until I saw your pictures Peter.  Now I want one just like that. The red really pops.
I really do think it’s the wheels that give it the spark.
One day I’ll take the motor out and have the black dry ice blasted off and redone in silver like the GS Beemers.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: usedtobefast on February 26, 2023, 03:54:03 PM
Thank you again for all of the replies.  This is helpful.

For some context, here are bikes on my short list for context with reasons why and (why not):

1. V85TT - shaft drive, mid-sized engine, cruise, cruising range, easy to maintain, lightweight, unique style, LED lighting, simple electronics, tubeless tires, 2 year warranty (dealer network, parts availability, resale value/ability to resell)
2. VStrom 1050 - decent dealer network (three in my region), simple electronics, cruise, cast wheels, lots of aftermarket support, great V-twin engine (chain drive, a little boring, hard to service)
3. Tiger 1200 GT Explorer - shaft drive, 3 year warranty, great seat height, cruise, cruising range, cast wheels, dealer in town(might be too tall, expensive, high depreciation, don't like 270 degree triple, complicated electronics)
4. Versys 1000 - unique 4 cylinder, great handling, good seating position, cheap used (chain drive, poor shifter feel, a little heavy, hard to service)
5. GS1250 - shaft drive, 3 year warranty, cruise, cruising range, tubeless tires, lots of aftermarket support (expensive to maintain, no dealer nearby, complicated electronics, not unique)

A few thoughts on your list ...
The V-Strom ... FYI, it has cornering ABS (I have one and notice zero difference between cornering ABS vs normal ABS), and the "little boring" part, have you ridden one?  It has much more power than the V85TT and I actually like it better than the R1200GS (have not tried a 1250).  I once rode the V-Strom to a BMW dealership to test drive a 1200GS, rode the GS around for ~30 minutes, not really impressed, got back on my V-Strom and really liked it much better.  A valve clearance adjustment is a big chore though, a clearance check is a decent pain as well.

OK, getting into the GS now, as you know, TONS of money.  TONS of "features" if you are in to that kind of thing.  For a gadget needing type, I guess I could see the attraction.  While I was at the dealer a guy was getting the "new bike intro" talk with a service guy, 99% of the talk was "and to pair your bluetooth to the GPS ... and to the Cardo... "  "and for android auto you can ..." ... "and to turn on the heated grips, you go into this menu, under this, and then ....", whew!   :grin:   Then you got the suspension, and auto preload setting (which, actually, is really cool if you switch how you ride (like no load, fully loaded for trip, light load with passenger, etc)), and power modes, and suspension modes, I bet you could spend an hour of each trip just making adjustments.   :laugh:

The Tiger ... isn't it a really heavy bike?  Maybe that was the previous 1200, not sure.  Just thought those were piggie. 

The Versys ... double check the first year for cruise control, they did not add that until further along in the model years.  I think they make a decent street bike, but not light, and really zero dirt road ability.

The V85TT (have done 2 test rides, never owned one) seems lighter and more nimble than my V-Strom, easier rolling in/out of a garage, etc.  The airflow on the V-Strom is much better, but as you've mentioned seems plenty of options for V85TT windshields.  Just knocking out highway miles seems much easier on the V-Strom (smoother, more reserve power, lazier and more relaxed at higher speeds).  Twisty backroads are fun on both, V85 handles a bit better, the V-Strom romps out of turns and smoother engine is more fun (to me).  I do like the idea of the shaftdrive ... some people get a chain drive bike and kind of ignore the chain on a trip, I tend to want to oil a chain at the end of each rainy day and if all dry, maybe each third day.

I was going to buy a V85TT, had a deposit on one when they first came out, but in my area in CA, the OTD price was $16,500 and I just could not do that.
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: DoubleThumper on February 26, 2023, 07:25:04 PM
Thanks everyone for your input. It almost seems like I posted an oil thread from the range of opinions!

Tusayan, I like your philosophy, use the lowest octane that doesn’t ping. It makes sense. I don't want to have to be using premium if I don't have to. Especially at today's prices.

Yes, nothing worse than buying even more expensive gasoline.

Hello sir KiowaEagle:

Did you determine which octane rating worked for you best, particularly for summer riding?
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: kingoffleece on February 26, 2023, 08:32:09 PM
Since getting my V85TT I've never even thought of the Norge I sold to get it.
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 26, 2023, 09:33:30 PM
It depends on where and how you ride.

I put my bikes away topped with 93 octane non ethanol fuel from the country station 1/2 mile from my house.

If on a long ride and can only get 10%, I will top the bike up with 87 octane when I am at 1/2 a tank. I figure I know have 5% octane and 90 octane fuel.

If that doesn’t get me home I fill with juice st enjoy IHG to get me home of top tier 93 octane 10% ethanol.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Trialsman on February 26, 2023, 10:12:37 PM
I think about my Norge once and awhile.  It was a beautiful bike and I had a lot of adventures all over the country with it.  My thoughts tend to lean towards the many new adventures Luis will be having with it.  As for me, my second V85 points to my commitment and the bike I really love.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Huzo on February 26, 2023, 11:13:48 PM
I would like to get my Norge to 300,000.
I’ll stay off the V85 a bit more to try to achieve that.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on February 27, 2023, 07:05:07 AM
Guess I’m likely here just trying to get folks to talk me into this, mostly.  I’m going to be buying a new bike in the next week or week and a half.  The specials Guzzi are running on the ‘22 V85TT right now are almost too good to pass up and I still think they are gorgeous machines.  This being said, 2 weeks ago I got a test ride on one locally and while I liked the bike very much and was in admiration of how far Guzzi has come even just in the years I’ve been riding (2004), there were a few niggles for me personally which I think, maybe, could be chalked up to the bike I was riding only having about 150 miles on it.  I’ve had many, many motorcycles and driven many, many thousands upon thousands of miles, had nearly every iteration of Geese since 2004, etc. so I’m an older rider but with a firm belief that what I was experiencing was real to me in the moment and on that specific bike, and more so than on most other MGs I’ve ridden.  I’d appreciate some input.  I do maybe think all of these could be merely chalked up to it being so new with motor, gearbox, etc. still just tight.

1) Shifting was incredibly notchy.  Many false neutrals.  At least twice I had pull in the clutch at a light and roll the bike to get it to go into/out of gears.  Several times it took significant foot work to get the gear engaged and so forth.  It was a bit odd.

2) I’m about 160lbs but on the highway at 75 the engine felt busy.  Some folks are going to call BS on me for saying this but seriously, a former and much beloved Roamer felt more at ease on the highway at those speeds.  But again, the Roamer was well broken in, and the Roamer is also considerably less weight than the V85, so…Guess I’m just saying I’m used to most Guzzis being nearly silly calm at 75, even the small blocks.

3) I was a “little” surprised to see the bike only returning (if you believe the dash) about 42-44mpg at 75 or so.  That’s not bad but compared to other modern bikes, especially and obviously the big bore machines, it’s not so great.  Shoot, the 1290 SDR I had got around 48-50mpg on the highway at those speeds.  I would expect the mpg to drop on the V85 at higher speeds, just maybe had hoped for at 45-50 at 75 or slightly plus.  Not a big deal, just saying.

And yes, I know all of the above will/can improve as the engine and everything gets broken in but just asking for input here. 

I will also say here that in nearly every other aspect of the ride the machine greatly pleased me.  I say again, what a long way MG has come. 
Title: Re: V85TT Fuel Octane
Post by: KiowaEagle on February 27, 2023, 07:45:06 AM
Yes, nothing worse than buying even more expensive gasoline.

Hello sir KiowaEagle:

Did you determine which octane rating worked for you best, particularly for summer riding?

DT I've been using 91 octane minimum and sometimes 93. I haven't had any knocking or pinging even with 87 but the bike does seem to run better with the higher octane so that makes it worth the money for me.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: aproud1 on February 27, 2023, 07:45:54 AM

1) Shifting was incredibly notchy.  Many false neutrals.  At least twice I had pull in the clutch at a light and roll the bike to get it to go into/out of gears.  Several times it took significant foot work to get the gear engaged and so forth.  It was a bit odd.

2) I’m about 160lbs but on the highway at 75 the engine felt busy.  Some folks are going to call BS on me for saying this but seriously, a former and much beloved Roamer felt more at ease on the highway at those speeds.  But again, the Roamer was well broken in, and the Roamer is also considerably less weight than the V85, so…Guess I’m just saying I’m used to most Guzzis being nearly silly calm at 75, even the small blocks.

3) I was a “little” surprised to see the bike only returning (if you believe the dash) about 42-44mpg at 75 or so.  That’s not bad but compared to other modern bikes, especially and obviously the big bore machines, it’s not so great.  Shoot, the 1290 SDR I had got around 48-50mpg on the highway at those speeds.  I would expect the mpg to drop on the V85 at higher speeds, just maybe had hoped for at 45-50 at 75 or slightly plus.  Not a big deal, just saying.

And yes, I know all of the above will/can improve as the engine and everything gets broken in but just asking for input here. 

I will also say here that in nearly every other aspect of the ride the machine greatly pleased me.  I say again, what a long way MG has come.

Well I sure hope we can talk you into this!

Shifting improved dramatically on my V7 and to a lesser degree on my V85TT. The V85 was always a little smoother and much easier to find neutral. Also took a minute for me to adjust to the right gear angle on my V7 and I had shifting issues due to that as well.

I felt the same way about the V85 on the highway. It will happily run those speeds all day long. Once you get up to around 85 there isn't much more to give.

I put 6000 miles on my V85tt, I generally averaged 48 MPG. I'm a large dude and I usually rode with the side panniers. I could do a little better if I completely avoided the highway.

I generally enjoyed my time on the V85. Mine was a Euro 4 and had a lot of loose bits and some ECU weirdness. Sounds like the Euor5's are a little more stable. Not to mention there is a little more grunt down low. Totaled my last bike last August and the current Guzzi line up are all on my radar for when I can ride again. If that says anything?

Best of luck on your new decision.

Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 27, 2023, 08:10:42 AM
My 2022 V85 was almost the same with the gearbox at new.  After a few thousand K it' loosened up a lot-a LOT.
Over 70 per on the highway the indicated mpg does drop a noticeable bit-at over 80 it's in the low to mid 20's.  At 70 to 75 mid 40's or so.

I'm not sorry I have it-it's my 4th Guzzi and they've all been great.  Only one left in the fleet as we massively downsized to an impossibly small garage with house and only room for one now, or I'd still have them ALL!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on February 27, 2023, 09:00:05 AM

...1) Shifting was incredibly notchy.  Many false neutrals.  At least twice I had pull in the clutch at a light and roll the bike to get it to go into/out of gears.  Several times it took significant foot work to get the gear engaged and so forth.  It was a bit odd.

2) I’m about 160lbs but on the highway at 75 the engine felt busy.  Some folks are going to call BS on me for saying this but seriously, a former and much beloved Roamer felt more at ease on the highway at those speeds.  But again, the Roamer was well broken in, and the Roamer is also considerably less weight than the V85, so…Guess I’m just saying I’m used to most Guzzis being nearly silly calm at 75, even the small blocks.

3) I was a “little” surprised to see the bike only returning (if you believe the dash) about 42-44mpg at 75 or so.  That’s not bad but compared to other modern bikes,

It sounds almost like the clutch is out of adjustment, or you're not used to how a transmission engages gears with a dry clutch? If so you will quickly get accustomed. From neutral with clutch out pull in the clutch and immediately press lightly for 1st before the turning gears have a chance to come to a complete stop. Stopped, in neutral with clutch in, if a light pressure doesn't click in to 1st release the clutch just slightly to turn the gear as you lightly press down.

Again you'll get used to 75 mph on this bike. It's what around 5,000 rpm at that speed? Right where this little V-twin is happy and smooth.

Once broken in you should get mid 40's at 75 mph unless loaded down with panniers which should drop to 40 or low 40's.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on February 27, 2023, 10:29:35 AM
BP.

I think that particular bike must have had an issue with the shifting. Hopefully just adjustment.  I am often surprised at how some dealers let the bikes out for test rides, out of adjustment, tire pressure off.  So many things that are unforced errors that cost sales.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on February 27, 2023, 10:43:17 AM
BP.

..... I am often surprised at how some dealers let the bikes out for test rides, out of adjustment, tire pressure off.  So many things that are unforced errors that cost sales.

A friend test rode a Honda NC700 DCT. The dealer said they normally didn't permit test rides but since the bike was a 2 year old leftover and he really wanted to sell it he let him ride it but just in the parking lot. It was important for my friend because he'd never tried a DCT. Anyway he saw them connect the battery and plug it to a tender while he got his helmet. 20 minutes later they rolled it out, started it, and showed him how the transmission worked. He said he rode it across the lot but then could hardly turn it so rode it back saying he didn't like how it was so heavy steering. Turned out the tires had no air pressure! The gauge didn't even register 5psi.
After puffing up the tires it handled like it should and he bought it.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 27, 2023, 06:09:44 PM
A few thoughts on your list ...
The V-Strom ... FYI, it has cornering ABS (I have one and notice zero difference between cornering ABS vs normal ABS), and the "little boring" part, have you ridden one?  It has much more power than the V85TT and I actually like it better than the R1200GS (have not tried a 1250).  I once rode the V-Strom to a BMW dealership to test drive a 1200GS, rode the GS around for ~30 minutes, not really impressed, got back on my V-Strom and really liked it much better.  A valve clearance adjustment is a big chore though, a clearance check is a decent pain as well.

OK, getting into the GS now, as you know, TONS of money.  TONS of "features" if you are in to that kind of thing.  For a gadget needing type, I guess I could see the attraction.  While I was at the dealer a guy was getting the "new bike intro" talk with a service guy, 99% of the talk was "and to pair your bluetooth to the GPS ... and to the Cardo... "  "and for android auto you can ..." ... "and to turn on the heated grips, you go into this menu, under this, and then ....", whew!   :grin:   Then you got the suspension, and auto preload setting (which, actually, is really cool if you switch how you ride (like no load, fully loaded for trip, light load with passenger, etc)), and power modes, and suspension modes, I bet you could spend an hour of each trip just making adjustments.   :laugh:

The Tiger ... isn't it a really heavy bike?  Maybe that was the previous 1200, not sure.  Just thought those were piggie. 

The Versys ... double check the first year for cruise control, they did not add that until further along in the model years.  I think they make a decent street bike, but not light, and really zero dirt road ability.

The V85TT (have done 2 test rides, never owned one) seems lighter and more nimble than my V-Strom, easier rolling in/out of a garage, etc.  The airflow on the V-Strom is much better, but as you've mentioned seems plenty of options for V85TT windshields.  Just knocking out highway miles seems much easier on the V-Strom (smoother, more reserve power, lazier and more relaxed at higher speeds).  Twisty backroads are fun on both, V85 handles a bit better, the V-Strom romps out of turns and smoother engine is more fun (to me).  I do like the idea of the shaftdrive ... some people get a chain drive bike and kind of ignore the chain on a trip, I tend to want to oil a chain at the end of each rainy day and if all dry, maybe each third day.

I was going to buy a V85TT, had a deposit on one when they first came out, but in my area in CA, the OTD price was $16,500 and I just could not do that.

No, I haven't, but I wish I had chosen a different term.  Maybe "generic"?  I was referring to looks, not performance, in my post. However, the 2023 models look pretty good, particularly the matte gray with red accent cast wheels.  I am glad to read your report - affirms the V's #2 place on my list.

Newer Tigers are lighter - but I don't like the engine sound.

---------------------------

I have watched at least 20 videos on the V85.  The common thread among comments is uniqueness, simplicity, good handling, easy to maintain, good but not great power, and once you have one, you will love it.

From what I have seen, I like the sound, looks, maintenance, character, features for the price.  I like character in bikes.  My REs have character.  Gold Wing?  Not so much.


Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: VStarRider on February 27, 2023, 06:12:26 PM
....I have to admit I like the support shown on this forum.  One of the worries of owning an uncommon bike is help when you need it.  Just a few days on this forum and it's apparent there is an MG community out there.  I see those suggesting sharing trip routes in the event of trouble along the way so a member can help.  I see forum members that appear to know each other well.  I like it. 
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: VStarRider on February 27, 2023, 06:37:57 PM
Bumped for VStarRider
There are some good impressions here from several riders.

Thank you!! Found it!
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions (MERGED)
Post by: Sykestone8886 on February 27, 2023, 07:51:51 PM
VStarRider I replied to your PM , let me know if you got it.
Title: v85TT horn replacement
Post by: noamlu on February 28, 2023, 03:27:44 AM
Hi,
A friend is considering replacing the OEM horn, with two air horns. The replacement horn is supplied with it's own wiring harness for both the low current(switch) circuit and high current circuit which are of course connected to both sides of a relay, I don't know the current which the horn draws but A 30A relay is supplied and the gauge of the high current wire is 59 in. The low current side(i.e the one wired to the supplied button) uses a 119in wire. What if instead of using the supplied button we wire it to the OEM switch coming from the handelbar? What concerns me is that I don't know what current flows in the original low current side, and also concerned about the increased voltage drop when using two much more powerful horns, any advice?
Title: Re: v85TT horn replacement
Post by: Kildareman on February 28, 2023, 05:27:50 AM
Hi,
A friend is considering replacing the OEM horn, with two air horns. The replacement horn is supplied with it's own wiring harness for both the low current(switch) circuit and high current circuit which are of course connected to both sides of a relay, I don't know the current which the horn draws but A 30A relay is supplied and the gauge of the high current wire is 59 in. The low current side(i.e the one wired to the supplied button) uses a 119in wire. What if instead of using the supplied button we wire it to the OEM switch coming from the handelbar? What concerns me is that I don't know what current flows in the original low current side, and also concerned about the increased voltage drop when using two much more powerful horns, any advice?

I've always used the original horn button/switch as it's the low current side of the relay and will be no different than a supplied switch - you are just allowing current to flow through the relay coil to pull the high current side in.  The V85 has plenty of power in reserve to handle extra load.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: brother dave on February 28, 2023, 07:45:09 AM
As I have often said, the V85 does nothing 100%.........but it does do everything 90-95% !!!
Perfect is the enemy of good enough. I ride my “90%” V85 and don’t worry about that lat 10%….
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions (MERGED)
Post by: kingoffleece on February 28, 2023, 08:07:22 AM
That, sir, sums it up quite well.  Quite well indeed.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on February 28, 2023, 08:33:15 AM
Much appreciate all the input here on my post.  Am still giving it some thought. 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidsmoke on February 28, 2023, 10:28:00 AM
My 2022 V85 was almost the same with the gearbox at new.  After a few thousand K it' loosened up a lot-a LOT.
Over 70 per on the highway the indicated mpg does drop a noticeable bit-at over 80 it's in the low to mid 20's.  At 70 to 75 mid 40's or so.

I'm not sorry I have it-it's my 4th Guzzi and they've all been great.  Only one left in the fleet as we massively downsized to an impossibly small garage with house and only room for one now, or I'd still have them ALL!

I've been wondering how you were getting along with the V85 KOF. That's good to hear. 70 MPG!! as someone who fully apreciated the Jackal, your opinion is relevant in convos like these.

BP.

I think that particular bike must have had an issue with the shifting. Hopefully just adjustment.  I am often surprised at how some dealers let the bikes out for test rides, out of adjustment, tire pressure off.  So many things that are unforced errors that cost sales.


First V85 I test rode a couple years ago fell in this category. I may have written off the bike entirely based on that experience. Since then I've ridden a couple others and found them fantastic. Shame we can't all have a Cadre/Hamlin closeby...that is, a dedicated Guzzi dealer who knows/gives a sh*t about the bikes. The multi brand dealers I think probably give the Guzzi's less effort.
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 28, 2023, 10:48:45 AM
Since getting my V85TT I've never even thought of the Norge I sold to get it.

That says a LOT. The Norge is hard to beat as a sport / touring bike.

The new Blue with Red Frame is my favorite yet. Even the beak is growing on me
Title: Re: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: egschade on February 28, 2023, 03:17:46 PM
Wheels are cleaned and double sealed with marine sealant and 3M tape. yes, I waited for th sealant to fully cure before taping.

Waiting for the correct valve stems to arrive - damn 8mm rim holes. Will spoon on the Pirellis once they arrive and see if it holds air.


(https://i.ibb.co/mhS3Pfp/front-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mhS3Pfp)
Title: Re: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: pressureangle on February 28, 2023, 03:27:07 PM
Kid has them on his Husqvarna Viltpilen. They're great on pavement, as stated they're soft. In the dirt, they are hooligan-level on dirt roads, adequate on trails and manageable in shallow sand. Of course, they haven't been tested in mud, deep sand, or streams.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 28, 2023, 03:46:05 PM
kid,
I should have been more clear.  At 70 per meant mph, not mpg.  I wish!  But at 70mph my mpg is mid 40's.
Sorry for any confusion.

And, I miss the HECK out of my Jackal.  If you recall, I bought it from the original owner.  He bought it back! And I told him if it's ever for sale again just ring me up and I'm right over to get it.  THAT bike was perfect.  And I'd have kept it if I had room at the new home in AZ.  As it is, I'll figure out a way to store it come hell or high water-that's how much I thought of that particular bike.
Title: Re: Considering a V85TT
Post by: Moparnut72 on February 28, 2023, 05:01:45 PM
....I have to admit I like the support shown on this forum.  One of the worries of owning an uncommon bike is help when you need it.  Just a few days on this forum and it's apparent there is an MG community out there.  I see those suggesting sharing trip routes in the event of trouble along the way so a member can help.  I see forum members that appear to know each other well.  I like it.
MGNOC, Moto Guzzi National Owners Club, maintains a database of owners who are available to help and what they can provide. I belong as well as a lot of others here.  MGNOC.com
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on February 28, 2023, 05:13:42 PM
I rode my new Triumph T120 home, 90 miles. I thought the handling was a bit heavy. Checked tire pressure the next day, 20 lbs front and rear. Wonder why the steering was heavy and the ride so smooth.
kk
Title: Re: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: 9fingers on February 28, 2023, 07:04:40 PM
Wheels are cleaned and double sealed with marine sealant and 3M tape. yes, I waited for th sealant to fully cure before taping.

Waiting for the correct valve stems to arrive - damn 8mm rim holes. Will spoon on the Pirellis once they arrive and see if it holds air.


(https://i.ibb.co/mhS3Pfp/front-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mhS3Pfp)


Looks good, as do the tires! I just got a Metzler Tourance for the rear of my V Strom 650...waiting for the front. More 80/20 than the ones you got, 60/40? 50/50? We will need to head up north a bit and hit some dirt roads and trails!
Scott
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidsmoke on February 28, 2023, 10:30:28 PM
kid,
I should have been more clear.  At 70 per meant mph, not mpg.  I wish!  But at 70mph my mpg is mid 40's.
Sorry for any confusion.

And, I miss the HECK out of my Jackal.  If you recall, I bought it from the original owner.  he bought it back! and I told him if it's ever for sale again just ring me up and I'm right over to get it.  THAT bike was perfect.  And I'd have kept it if I had room at the new home in AZ.  As it is, I'll figure out a way to store it come hell or high water-that's how much I thought of that particular bike.

Re-reading your initial post, you were clear, I’m the problem. Speed reading while working is not my friend.

You seemed to have really dialed that Jackal in. Hamlin voodoo and all. You and the other owner are like Harrison and Clapton with Pattie Boyd…
Maybe she’ll come back someday.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 01, 2023, 07:37:50 AM
 :grin:
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Cam3512 on March 01, 2023, 07:46:49 AM
That says a LOT. The Norge is hard to beat as a sport / touring bike.

The new Blue with Red Frame is my favorite yet. Even the beak is growing on me

Don’t think of it as a “beak”, is is in fact a high mounted fender.  The typical ADV bike beak is usually integrated into other plastic bodywork.   Ride one!
Title: Re: V85 touring impressions
Post by: Tusayan on March 01, 2023, 09:37:09 AM
Ride one!

With 60.5 inch wheelbase and 19 inch front wheel the V85TT handles a lot like a bevel drive Ducati which is no bad thing.  However unlike a bevel drive Ducati it has wide handlebars, reducing steering effort, and very tight steering lock.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 01, 2023, 10:21:03 AM
I rode my new Triumph T120 home, 90 miles. I thought the handling was a bit heavy. Checked tire pressure the next day, 20 lbs front and rear. Wonder why the steering was heavy and the ride so smooth.
kk

I did a fly and buy in 2012 for a new Concours 1400.  The guy looked at me sideways when I asked him to set the tire pressure for my ride home.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: VStarRider on March 01, 2023, 06:32:39 PM
Watching more videos - one said the 85TT may be cramped for taller riders - I am 6'1" - can those of similar stature comment on that?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on March 01, 2023, 07:07:59 PM
I like 6' seating.  It feels cramp for me.  I'm 5'9".  I like the ability to move around in the seat instead of being locked into one seating position.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kidsmoke on March 01, 2023, 08:21:03 PM
Watching more videos - one said the 85TT may be cramped for taller riders - I am 6'1" - can those of similar stature comment on that?

Not an owner. Simply a veteran of several spirited 20 mile test rides and one splendid 96 miler in north central Kentucky aboard a V85. 6’ tall with a 34” inseam and 35 “ sleeve length. I did not find it even close to feeling cramped.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 01, 2023, 09:14:28 PM
Watching more videos - one said the 85TT may be cramped for taller riders - I am 6'1" - can those of similar stature comment on that?

Not cramped at all and depending on your inseam you can get low, std and tall saddles. I'm 5-11 but with short legs and wingspan. A tall saddle makes it almost too roomy. Setting the correct preload is important for larger riders so the bike doesn't sink down too much.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 01, 2023, 10:06:34 PM
A tall saddle makes it almost too roomy.

At 6’2” with the tall saddle on mine I would agree.  Cramped is the last thing it is, and the standard saddle was fine too for leg room.  I got the tail saddle for extra padding, not extra room.


Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 02, 2023, 02:12:07 AM
Yeah, what a crock…!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: SirIzak on March 02, 2023, 08:38:40 AM
6'3" here with a 34" inseam, no problems here with the stock seat and bars. Knees get a little uncomfortable after a couple hours or so, but I think that's more to do with old injuries and needing to stretch in general than the bike being cramped.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 02, 2023, 08:52:49 AM
Yep.  It's easy to get the adjustments to make a bike more or less fit.  Taller or shorter seat, inch bar raisers, drop the pegs a bit.  Not hard to do and makes it right for the rider.
It's unreasonable to expect the ergos to be perfect for all but a few small changes and it's all good.  Most certainly not a decision maker when it comes to motorcycles-make a few simple mods and go.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on March 02, 2023, 12:03:51 PM
Speaking of seats, any interest in one from Seat Concepts for our V85? If so email Mable Morales at info@seatconcepts.com
I inquired and she said they keep track of requests and will log mine but they've not had many for the V85TT yet. For those not familiar, what Seat Concepts does is furnish re-shaped foam along with a cover, you simply remove the stock foam and cover and fit the new one on the stock pan. Total cost is typically $220. I've put them on quite a number of my bikes, current ones include an XT250 and Tenere' 700 and they make a big improvement.
IMO the stock V85TT seat is not bad but it could be better. To appeal to most riders I'd leave it about the same height but move the riders bucket back just a bit by eliminating the bumper. Also widen the rear of the riders bucket just a bit keeping it nice a d flat. Having a new black cover to replace the thin, suede textured stock one would be nice too.
 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 02, 2023, 12:57:08 PM
I bought this used Corbin on eBay. This was a custom job using the OEM base. As you can see it's quite a bit taller, esp near the tank. It's very comfortable when riding but a little challenging at stops. I will look at lowering/narrowing the front portion so I can slide forward and get my feet down a bit better.


(https://i.ibb.co/dGwZsgj/corbin-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dGwZsgj)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on March 02, 2023, 01:20:53 PM
That Corbin looks nice! I just checked their site and unfortunately they don't offer a complete seat yet.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: VStarRider on March 02, 2023, 04:48:20 PM
Thanks for the replies about the bike not being cramped.  I find my Gold Wing cramped - more specifically - my hips are at less than a 90 degree angle so I am get the feeling like I am squatting a little.  My Himalayan was a little cramped too - but the Seat Concepts Tall seat corrected that.  Factory seat height is 31" but the Seat Concepts adds 1.5", so 32.5". The V85 is higher than that but seat height doesn't account for pegs mounted too high, which is why I asked the question of those long of leg. 

Seat Concepts - big fan - will send that email!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 02, 2023, 07:42:13 PM
My feeling after first riding the V85TT was that the pegs were too LOW.  They drag in cornering a bit too easily (as mentioned by most testers) and the leg room is more than other bikes, making my knees a bit low in relation to my hips.  I got used to it and more so after fitting the tall seat to get more padding but again lack of leg room is the last thing I’d say about the V85TT, with 34 or 35 inch inseam.

I was BTW able to increase the cornering clearance to an acceptable level by increasing shock preload, and it didn’t see to have any negative effect for solo riding.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 02, 2023, 10:51:23 PM
Yep.  I built my seat up an inch and a half. More knee room-but I have a bionic knee.  Helps keep the pegs off the ground but it's still easy to do.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: dave1068 on March 03, 2023, 06:48:29 AM
At 6'2 and also a 34" inseam, I have the stock seat and a gel pad which may add 1/2 and inch or less and its fine. I think watching videos are fine but use your best judgment once you ride the bike. I had an Indian FTR1200 and was extremely cramped, the V85tt stock seat is fine. If I could find a sargent/corbin/rdl I may try it out of curiosity.

I rode my prior v85tt about 11k in 1 yr and had riding concerns, peg scraping or other issues as listed

Ride and enjoy it and also the minimal maintainence it requires!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: dave1068 on March 03, 2023, 06:57:25 AM
I bought this used Corbin on eBay. This was a custom job using the OEM base. As you can see it's quite a bit taller, esp near the tank. It's very comfortable when riding but a little challenging at stops. I will look at lowering/narrowing the front portion so I can slide forward and get my feet down a bit better.


(https://i.ibb.co/dGwZsgj/corbin-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dGwZsgj)


That corbin looks good but as another poster listed, our model isnt listed on their site yet. I wonder how much for them to make another one?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 03, 2023, 07:47:57 AM
Seth Laam can make a great Guzzi seat.

http://www.laamseats.com/
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 03, 2023, 10:50:45 AM
That corbin looks good but as another poster listed, our model isnt listed on their site yet. I wonder how much for them to make another one?

Corbin says to contact their sales team for quotes on custom work on your own seat base.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 03, 2023, 11:27:30 AM
Seth Laam can make a great Guzzi seat.

http://www.laamseats.com/
Thanks for this referral. He is only 2.5 hours away. When I was considering a T120 Bonneville I thought the first thing I would have to do is something about the seat. It has turned out to not be so bad, actually decent but it could be better. I may just check them out.
kk
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on March 03, 2023, 11:37:00 AM
At 6'2 and also a 34" inseam, I have the stock seat and a gel pad which may add 1/2 and inch or less and its fine. I think watching videos are fine but use your best judgment once you ride the bike. I had an Indian FTR1200 and was extremely cramped, the V85tt stock seat is fine. If I could find a sargent/corbin/rdl I may try it out of curiosity.

I rode my prior v85tt about 11k in 1 yr and had riding concerns, peg scraping or other issues as listed

Ride and enjoy it and also the minimal maintainence it requires!

I rode a friend's FTR 1200.  I didn't find it cramp but then again I wasn't riding in a straight line.  Too occupied with the hairpins and tight turns.  A fun bike that I did consider buying.
Title: Re: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on V85TT
Post by: egschade on March 13, 2023, 08:06:24 PM
Wheels are cleaned and double sealed with marine sealant and 3M tape. yes, I waited for th sealant to fully cure before taping.

Waiting for the correct valve stems to arrive - damn 8mm rim holes. Will spoon on the Pirellis once they arrive and see if it holds air.


(https://i.ibb.co/mhS3Pfp/front-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mhS3Pfp)


Completed the project. 2 days in and no air loss. Surprisingly I had a tougher time mounting the front tire than rear. Probably didn't use enough soap on the tire. They look good on the V85 - looking forward to breaking them in and seeing how they do off-road.


(https://i.ibb.co/2NSZmjQ/str-front.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2NSZmjQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/zFKf1C1/str-rear.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zFKf1C1)
 
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on March 13, 2023, 08:12:45 PM
I have those Perilli's on the Tenere and like them and was just wondering today when the Anakee's need replaced on the V85 whether to go with Anakees again or STR's? I like them both so maybe which ones are available.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: VStarRider on March 17, 2023, 08:19:54 PM
Update:

I bought a V85TT!

I test sat a VStrom 1050, Pan America and the V85. As soon as I sat on the Guzzi, I knew I wanted it. I can tell when a bike fits me right almost immediately. My rider triangle was good, the clutch and brake felt great, and the seat was awesome - particularly that little lumbar bump which makes a significant difference.

Someone in another forum made a great point - I listed all the bikes on my short list and it was noted that you cannot go wrong with any of them, so pick the one that fits best! So I did!

I got the Centenario trim, which comes with solid luggage and I’m having the dealer add heated grips to it. I made add the fog lights myself. I’ll pick it up once the grips are installed.

Thanks for all the insight on the forum - I’ll be a regular here now.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 17, 2023, 09:06:55 PM
Congrats and enjoy and feel free to complain and moan and groan with the rest of us.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 21, 2023, 05:19:18 PM
Used V85s will be the hot ticket for a while.  I was at Cadre to ride the V100 and a fellow was taking delivery of a pristine 6,000 mile example and they  had recently sold a nearly new Travel model last week.  This keeps him in business, I am stoked.  BTW, I don't think he will be getting my used V85 to sell.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 21, 2023, 05:53:11 PM
If you don’t ask a million questions, then you’re not serious.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 28, 2023, 03:49:11 PM
One of the few disappointments with the 2020 year V85TT has been the tube rims.  No more for me.  Cadre had an extra set of tubeless original rims, so I just picked them up with new Michelins on 'em and will start the season with a plug kit, fresh rubber and a lot less concern when far from home.  it was an easy choice once I decided that the V100 was not in the cards for me, at least this year.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 29, 2023, 09:09:51 AM
One of the few disappointments with the 2020 year V85TT has been the tube rims.  No more for me.  Cadre had an extra set of tubeless original rims, so I just picked them up with new Michelins on 'em and will start the season with a plug kit, fresh rubber and a lot less concern when far from home.  it was an easy choice once I decided that the V100 was not in the cards for me, at least this year.

Agree about the tube wheels but in all my years using them I rarely had a puncture. Rather than getting new tubeless wheels for my 2020 I went the route of sealing the ones I have. 2-weeks in and they're still holding air just fine. Once I'm convinced they'll hold up I'll remove the tubes and tire irons from my toolkit and replace them with a plug kit. Will also apply the Sahara tire sealant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1_QGtn0VA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1_QGtn0VA)
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 29, 2023, 09:26:12 AM
Eg:

I agree that punctures are rare.  I have had only 3 is 42 years of riding.  However, it is also about how the tire behaves when the tube pops and it can be very abrupt and possibly dangerous at highway speed.  Nothing is guaranteed, but tubeless tires generally deflate gradually.  I carry my wheels in to the shop for tire changes and did not want to put them in the position of denying me tire mounting because of the liability of the fact that I sealed the rims myself.  For me, it cost a bit more, but not too much since they already had the rims and were offered at a good discount, but I am very satisfied all around.  I still love the bike and more so now.  Can't wait for consistent warm weather to arrive.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 29, 2023, 09:40:25 AM
In many years of riding I’d only had one tube-type wheel flat tire on the road (in the early 90s) until buying my 2020 V85TT.  I then had another on my first long ride, wife on the back and miles from anywhere (no cell coverage) and without a spare tube.  It wiggled around a lot but I got it stopped without incident, then had plenty of time to ponder the situation.  Maybe the universe was trying to tell me something.  After the trip I bought a set of 2021 tubeless wheels for that bike, figuring it’s for touring mostly and I didn’t want a repeat performance.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 29, 2023, 11:25:15 AM
I have had a few deflations with tubeless tires and have not had one I could not plug. fingers crossed for the future.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on March 29, 2023, 11:34:49 AM
I have a 2020 V 85.  Sealed the rims prior to a  long ride out west.  On the last day of a 2700 mile ride, the rear failed, fortunately close to our end point. As soon as the tubeless became available I bought a set through Cadre.   I know many folks have sealed their rims with good results but I always knew as soon as the tubeless were available I would do the switch. Great peace of mind and worth every penny.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 29, 2023, 12:09:47 PM
AF1 sells the tubeless wheels and it's about $1100 + shipping for the set w/ all misc bits. What did Cadre charge?
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on March 29, 2023, 12:53:38 PM
Same
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on March 29, 2023, 12:55:13 PM
It's been about 1 1/2 yrs but I think I paid around $1100.00 total.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 29, 2023, 01:56:10 PM
Well…
If you’ve got tubeless wheels and you cannot fix the leak with plugs and you’ve just used your last CO2 container, you’re gunna’ wish you had tubes because a new one will fix it.
If you’ve got tubed wheels and you were too stupid to have a spare in a remote location, you’ll wish you had tubeless.
We all want what we don’t have when in trouble…
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 29, 2023, 02:09:29 PM
Typically a nail or screw in a tubeless tire will create a slow leak, providing time to ride the bike to a better location for repair.  In Europe I carry a 12V powered compressor on the bike to make that even more practical.  It's a much better situation than with tube type tires, avoiding the necessity to look and act like a monkey on the side of the road.

Carrying tire irons on the bike is not something I'm going to do, not least because I'm unwilling to damage the rims wielding them on the side of the road.  Mine are not dirt bikes and the tires neither unseat or reseat easily, a tire machine is much better.  I have two remaining bikes with tube type tires, both with virtually irreplaceable wheels, and my preferred solution in the highly unlikely event of getting a flat in the few hundred miles a year they're ridden involves AAA 'plus RV' membership that'll collect me and them for free.   The others including the V85TT can in almost every instance be ridden for repair.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 29, 2023, 03:40:49 PM
Eg:  I can't remember the reason these were on sale, possibly someone ordered them and didn't pick up.  I made a package deal with new tires and 90 degree valve stems, but don't really want to reveal their prices except to say less than $1,000.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 29, 2023, 06:23:33 PM
I have a 2020 V 85.  Sealed the rims prior to a  long ride out west.  On the last day of a 2700 mile ride, the rear failed, fortunately close to our end point. As soon as the tubeless became available I bought a set through Cadre.   I know many folks have sealed their rims with good results but I always knew as soon as the tubeless were available I would do the switch. Great peace of mind and worth every penny.

Did you determine what failed? Mine are double sealed w/ marine sealant and 3M super tape. Also used a touch of sealant on the valve stem gasket.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: tommy2cyl on March 29, 2023, 08:11:30 PM
I did not.  It was a mystery.  I had zero psi in the tire when I arrived at my destination.  I aired it back up and loaded it into
the van for the haul back from Colorado to Ohio. There were no holes and the valve stem was fine.  I checked with soapy water and no leaks.  It held air in the van trip home and when I got back my tubeless wheels were available so I took them to a local dealer to dismount the tires and remount onto the new tubeless wheels.  I wasn't around at the shop to inspect the inside of the rear wheel.  I really didn't care.  I had the permanent fix and for me one less
thing to worry about.  By the way, I carry a very good quality air pump and plug kit.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Hookalatch on April 04, 2023, 06:14:19 PM
Its taken me several days but I have read my way through the entire thread to this point.
There has been so much good information I don't have any questions at this point.
The enthusiasm of the owners here is pretty special. 
I am wavering about taking a test ride partly due to a long distance and only a 5-8 minute ride.
More so because for me, going to look at a new bike is like going to look at a new puppy.
Very hard to come home without one.  But it means one of the other loved "dogs" in the garage would have to go.
At least that is what the wife says.

Chuck
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: KiowaEagle on April 05, 2023, 07:50:59 AM
Its taken me several days but I have read my way through the entire thread to this point.
There has been so much good information I don't have any questions at this point.
The enthusiasm of the owners here is pretty special. 
I am wavering about taking a test ride partly due to a long distance and only a 5-8 minute ride.
More so because for me, going to look at a new bike is like going to look at a new puppy.
Very hard to come home without one.  But it means one of the other loved "dogs" in the garage would have to go.
At least that is what the wife says.

Chuck

Yea my wife used to talk a lot too.

Err...I meant ex-wife  :grin:
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sykestone8886 on April 05, 2023, 07:48:53 PM
I was out for a good ride today 2022 Travel, 82 degrees and the heat from the Cat was very noticeable almost uncomfortable at times, it’s the first time I rode in those temps being I bought the bike last November, I’m assuming others have experienced the same ? By the way I stopped at the Guzzi dealer to look around and the Blue 2023 V85tt in Blue looks really Good In person, didn’t care for it in the pics online, also got a good look at the v100 mandello. Very Sharp !!!
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 06, 2023, 06:13:57 AM
Although I pained me to do so, I went with the Cat eliminator pipe as have many others in the group who have the Euro 4 bikes (2020 models).  On the newer models, the entire system would need to be replaced to do the same.  Another very popular add-on is the center stand.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on April 06, 2023, 02:49:11 PM
Has anybody got any time on a shock factory M shock? They have one with a height adjuster that can drop the rear by as much as an inch. That would let me put the rubbers back under the seat to relieve the old knees and get me a bit closer to a safer feet down height. It should improve the ride a bit too.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on April 07, 2023, 09:21:37 AM
Has anybody got any time on a shock factory M shock? They have one with a height adjuster that can drop the rear by as much as an inch. That would let me put the rubbers back under the seat to relieve the old knees and get me a bit closer to a safer feet down height. It should improve the ride a bit too.

Have you considered removing the rubber inserts from the footpegs? That'll get you a little more legroom.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on April 08, 2023, 07:07:17 AM
28" inseam. It's lower to the ground I need.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 08, 2023, 07:19:50 AM
Vagrant:  At times, I feel the standard height v85 is a little too tall for my 29" inseam as well.  I hate to admit, but when I sat on and rode the new V100, I felt much more in control at stops.  Of course, it sacrifices 2 inches of suspension to do so.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on April 08, 2023, 09:33:36 AM
28" inseam. It's lower to the ground I need.

Gotcha. I have a 30" and am good with the low saddle.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: NevNZ on April 08, 2023, 09:33:30 PM
Has anybody got any time on a shock factory M shock? They have one with a height adjuster that can drop the rear by as much as an inch. That would let me put the rubbers back under the seat to relieve the old knees and get me a bit closer to a safer feet down height. It should improve the ride a bit too.

I put an M-Shock on my Ducati Scrambler and was immediately impressed with the performance over the standard POS that comes fitted from the factory.  That may be, in part, due to the fact that the spring on the new unit was correctly sized for my weight and style of riding, but was happy with the M-shock for four years and over 20,000 klm with no issues whatsoever.
Title: Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on April 09, 2023, 08:49:55 AM
I'm sure their shock is great. I'm very pleased with the set on my v7III.
I'm relatively happy with the stock v85 shock, but need it in the second from softest position because of my weight. It would be better off in #3 but that's really too high.
 I just really would like to lose 1/2" so I feel better when getting off on gravel or way off camber pull outs.