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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2021, 09:32:14 PM »
Any history on your sport ? The flywheel lightening is exquisite.
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2021, 08:53:24 AM »
Sold new in Sweden by swedish importer ”Grahns”.
Quite a few owners before I bought it in 2009.
A previous owner contacted me and sent som pictures (not the best quality thou).
A nice full fairing, cool graphics. discs in front and original (I think) rear dampers.
Same Stucchi exhaust that is still on the bike, and you can see the nickel-plated lower frame rails.

I sent the fly wheel to HMB Guzzi. This is the second engine I built with lightened fly wheel. Makes for a much nicer engine characteristic in my view.





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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2021, 09:14:29 PM »










Carbon fibre tank for V7 through to Le Mans.  Had it made by a bloke who mainly does Laverda gear.  Mould taken off a V7 Sport.  With taps and fuel cap, it comes in at about a kilogram (2.3 pounds).  Flawless work, sorry about the reflections.
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2021, 03:46:28 PM »
Ok. So now is everything's in good working order. Thinking of repainting the bike (not original paint as it is anyway).
I have searched the internet but it seems to be a bit unclear; Who can tell me about the color codes for the lime green color?
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2021, 03:46:28 PM »

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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2021, 12:32:12 PM »
I have seen variations on the V7 sport green. Some more olive, some more lime , some almost gold.

There's a local guy who does restorations, and he just finished a sport in black. I think black is my favorite color for a V7sport.
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2021, 02:04:48 PM »
I have seen variations on the V7 sport green. Some more olive, some more lime , some almost gold.

Yup! That is my experience too...
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2021, 07:27:52 AM »
Your best bet is probably to find a painter who has already painted a bike lime green. I didn't have the original colour either but went with the V11 green which 'should' be the same.

I bought this in a spray can which has the base and green clear in seperate cans. The results are on my V7 conversion build log.
https://www.caferacernet.nl/product/motoguzzi-v11-sport-green/

Stein-dinse also used to sell a v7 green in spray can, but don't know how that colour looks (more/less gold)

Here's a link to a v11lemans member explaining how to duplicate the colour.
https://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?/topic/17183-how-to-color-match-the-guzzi-lime-green/

The relevant text;
"All materials are from House Of Kolor and I ordered them from KolorHouse dot com
 

(1) Silver Metallic base. (FBC-02) Qt size is plenty enough to do several bikes.

(2) "ORGANIC GREEN" INTENSIFIER KANDY (KK-09). I ordered a 2oz bottle. Believe me you will only need about 4 drops!

(3) "LIME GOLD" INTENSIFIER KANDY (KK-02). I ordered a 1/2pt or 8oz bottle. I used about 1/2 of it.

(4) Intercoat Clear (SG-100)it's a clear basecoat. I ordered a qt.
 

OK now buy an empty qt paint can and pour 1/2 of the intercoat clear base. Now pour 1/2 of the Lime Gold candy into the 1/2qt of the clear base and start sturring in the Organic Green A DROP AT A TIME until the color appears to match. (I used one of my side covers beside to refference). It only took about 4-5 drops of green to get there!! Then thin with basecoat reducer until the qt can is full.
 

Lay the silver first, let dry. Then lay 3-4 coats of the kandy base you made up letting tack between coats (10-15min). Compare to the bike pannels until you have achieved the proper kandy color. Finally clear over with an automotive urethane clear and you're done! I even did a blend on a side cover (area that was rubbed bad) and the blend turned out about 98% match. (If anyone knows about blend matching, that can't get any better!)"
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2021, 03:42:41 PM »
Your best bet is probably to find a painter who has already painted a bike lime green. I didn't have the original colour either but went with the V11 green which 'should' be the same.

I bought this in a spray can which has the base and green clear in seperate cans. The results are on my V7 conversion build log.
https://www.caferacernet.nl/product/motoguzzi-v11-sport-green/

Stein-dinse also used to sell a v7 green in spray can, but don't know how that colour looks (more/less gold)

Here's a link to a v11lemans member explaining how to duplicate the colour.
https://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?/topic/17183-how-to-color-match-the-guzzi-lime-green/

The relevant text;
"All materials are from House Of Kolor and I ordered them from KolorHouse dot com
 

(1) Silver Metallic base. (FBC-02) Qt size is plenty enough to do several bikes.

(2) "ORGANIC GREEN" INTENSIFIER KANDY (KK-09). I ordered a 2oz bottle. Believe me you will only need about 4 drops!

(3) "LIME GOLD" INTENSIFIER KANDY (KK-02). I ordered a 1/2pt or 8oz bottle. I used about 1/2 of it.

(4) Intercoat Clear (SG-100)it's a clear basecoat. I ordered a qt.
 

OK now buy an empty qt paint can and pour 1/2 of the intercoat clear base. Now pour 1/2 of the Lime Gold candy into the 1/2qt of the clear base and start sturring in the Organic Green A DROP AT A TIME until the color appears to match. (I used one of my side covers beside to refference). It only took about 4-5 drops of green to get there!! Then thin with basecoat reducer until the qt can is full.
 

Lay the silver first, let dry. Then lay 3-4 coats of the kandy base you made up letting tack between coats (10-15min). Compare to the bike pannels until you have achieved the proper kandy color. Finally clear over with an automotive urethane clear and you're done! I even did a blend on a side cover (area that was rubbed bad) and the blend turned out about 98% match. (If anyone knows about blend matching, that can't get any better!)"

Thanks!!
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2021, 04:59:38 AM »
It can be difficult to find the green paint. So too the red, there are plenty of variations of that also. Mine was done in the '90's and the painter made the decals for me, they were unobtainable at the time. His name was Bob Brookland, he went on to paint the Brittens.

I see yours is LH gear change, unusual for 1972,  has it been converted?
Mine is the one with the fairing.





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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2021, 12:46:35 PM »

I see yours is LH gear change, unusual for 1972,  has it been converted?
Mine is the one with the fairing.



Beautiful!!

To my knowledge, all V7 Sport that was imported to Sweden had left hand gear change.
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2021, 03:50:27 PM »
Thank you. I went to a lot of trouble to replicate the Telaio Rosso paint. You will see that mine has black tank decals and black stands, the other bike has the "standard" decals used on all the other colours with decals, and red stands. That doesnt look right to me.
My second choice was the marone red with silver frame, I think they look great.
I'm guessing that you will leave your frame black since it was recently painted?
Mine has returned to being dormant. I rode it to the 100th Anniversary rally we had here recently, then put it away. It has a crack in the lightweight  tube frame. From comments I find here on this forum, it seems that all Sports had the T45 tube frames & it is common for high mileage examples to crack. Mine has 120,000 miles, 100,000 of them are mine.
The 750S is a "replica", built around genuine S cases with 90% genuine Sport & S parts. Sadly, he had to use a T frame. He is still looking for a Sport or S frame. This was at the 100th Anniversary.




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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2021, 07:23:20 PM »
Dealing with these setbacks is part of the game unfortunately.  I hope all goes smooth from here on out!
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2021, 10:29:43 PM »
I thought Guzzi used Chrome moly, not T45.  Those thin tubed frames ( Telio Rosso ) were only the very first bikes.

I bought some BS4 T45 to repair my Sidlow frame, and had to have it shipped to the US. Great material !
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2021, 01:11:04 AM »
I thought Guzzi used Chrome moly, not T45.  Those thin tubed frames ( Telio Rosso ) were only the very first bikes.

I bought some BS4 T45 to repair my Sidlow frame, and had to have it shipped to the US. Great material !

No, that is another of the mistaken "folklore" stories. There is a tendency for the American driven press to use the expression "chrome molly" because it is an American material and it becomes common international vernacular and that's what we hear and believe.

Along with the "150 Telaio Rosso frames were thin walled tube". Per my previous post, there is credible information that can be found on this forum, with a bit of searching, which indicates that all Sport frames are thin walled. I measured the tail ends of my frame tubes where they are crushed together, and compared them with my T, Convert & LM frames, definitely thinner than the touring frames & mine is dated Dec 72, for 73 market, well outside the "150 Telaio Rosso" range.
To further back this up; I'm guessing you imported T45 because your local 4130 tube is made in inch sizes which dont match your metric T45 frame sizes?
One of my sons, who makes rally car roll cages, brought it to my attention that that 4130 is in inches, T45 is millimeter sizes.
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2021, 02:20:07 AM »
Out of curiosity, roughly how much was your restoration. I will hopefully begin a restoration on a V7 soon.  I need to know if sending my wife for a trip to the spa will suffice, or if i am sending her on a Caribbean trip before telling her how much $ i am going to spend on restoring the bike.


My step dad owns a 1972 V7 Sport, bought it new.  Hes all ready said that when he passes away, It will become mine. Unfortunately / fortunately, it doesnt look like hes going anywhere soon.

Sadly the bike has been parked for 15 years, It was running great when he last used it. But now it definitely need some love.   I am trying to sweet talk him into giving it to me now.  I plan on doing a full restoration. Paint, chrome, Motor.... The works.  Getting raid of the honda fairing he installed way back when is at the top of my list.

Also, any leads on where I can get a light bucket and turn signal for the bike? That would be greatly appreciated. After nearly 50 years.... His are long gone.









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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2021, 03:35:25 AM »
Out of curiosity, roughly how much was your restoration. I will hopefully begin a restoration on a V7 soon.  I need to know if sending my wife for a trip to the spa will suffice, or if i am sending her on a Caribbean trip before telling her how much $ i am going to spend on restoring the bike.


My step dad owns a 1972 V7 Sport, bought it new.  Hes all ready said that when he passes away, It will become mine. Unfortunately / fortunately, it doesnt look like hes going anywhere soon.

Sadly the bike has been parked for 15 years, It was running great when he last used it. But now it definitely need some love.   I am trying to sweet talk him into giving it to me now.  I plan on doing a full restoration. Paint, chrome, Motor.... The works.  Getting raid of the honda fairing he installed way back when is at the top of my list.



Also, any leads on where I can get a light bucket and turn signal for the bike? That would be greatly appreciated. After nearly 50 years.... His are long gone.








I restored mine 30 years ago, my costs are not relevant. However, your chrome costs are likely to exceed the cost of sending your wife for a spa!  :grin:
That is a solid, unmolested example, restoration will be relatively easy. Do not throw away those rear shocks, they are rebuildable, have the shock rebuilder set them to full hard damping while he has the springs off. Also, warn the plater if you send the bottom spring collars for replating, that they are zinc, use the correct stripper or he will dissolve them!
Start now, some parts are getting hard to find, where on here did I see a reference to buying V7Sport Gilardoni barrel kits, they are hard to find right now, & you will need a set, the chrome will be knackered. The Silentium mufflers will probably be unchromable, start looking for new ones, or Lafranconis while they are still around.
The headlight bucket is same as a Benelli 650 Tornado, start looking.  :laugh: They turn up on fleabay, be prepared to send your wife for another spa!
It looks like 2 of the indicators are still attached to the Craven pannier rack. They were Lucas.
What is the frame number of that one? Mine came from Canada in 1976, it is VK32198. That one, I'm guessing, is 1973, LH change, badges on tank? I would love to know if the LH change is 1 up, or 1 down? Did the factory change the selector drum, or did they just fit the LH levers and linkages?
Before rushing stuff off to the paint shop, try polishing it. It doesn't look too bad. Try to keep it as original as possible. Even the seat looks OK from the outside. Carefully peel off the foam, sand blast the steel pan, it might be reclaimable. I wouldn't glass bead the alloy either, use prunis, walnut shell, followed by scrubbing with hot water, laundry powder & scotchbrite, it will look like new, not like it's been "restored" Ciao.
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2021, 09:10:47 AM »
As Roy posted, the Benelli 650S bucket and rim are the same, as are those for the (US) Morini 3 1/2. The Benelli bucket is painted, not chromed though. Showing as available at https://www.benelliparts.de/ . I just bought one needing rechroming - not inexpensive.

As far as signals - the US V7 Sport used Lucas signals. Jim Carey (cunuck750 here) sent me a bunch of "tabs" and I made my own mounting stems for the front, then had them chromed. https://flic.kr/p/2i8bxVH . The rear mounting brackets are just a zig-zag piece of flat steel, reproductions are available from MG Cycle. https://flic.kr/p/2i9Gn5p . New Lucas signals (genuine or reproduction) mount differently than the originals, so I tapped the plastic bodies to 7/16"-14 as original, drilled studs hollow and used s.s. nuts and washers.

V7 Sport Gilardoni cylinder kits are currently available, so it might be a good idea to grab a pair soon.
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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2021, 08:01:07 PM »
I made up a batch of reproduction front and rear V7 Sport signal mounts / stalks, I have extra water jet cut tear drop tabs that you need to weld a hollow tube stem to for the front and tap it for the light stub, also have water jet cut rear tabs the you fold in a vise, if you can use the tabs pm me and I will mail you some









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Re: V7Sport out of dormancy
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2021, 10:40:48 PM »
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Quote from: Turin on May 31, 2021, 10:29:43 PM
I thought Guzzi used Chrome moly, not T45.  Those thin tubed frames ( Telio Rosso ) were only the very first bikes.

I bought some BS4 T45 to repair my Sidlow frame, and had to have it shipped to the US. Great material !

No, that is another of the mistaken "folklore" stories. There is a tendency for the American driven press to use the expression "chrome molly" because it is an American material and it becomes common international vernacular and that's what we hear and believe.

Along with the "150 Telaio Rosso frames were thin walled tube". Per my previous post, there is credible information that can be found on this forum, with a bit of searching, which indicates that all Sport frames are thin walled. I measured the tail ends of my frame tubes where they are crushed together, and compared them with my T, Convert & LM frames, definitely thinner than the touring frames & mine is dated Dec 72, for 73 market, well outside the "150 Telaio Rosso" range.
To further back this up; I'm guessing you imported T45 because your local 4130 tube is made in inch sizes which dont match your metric T45 frame sizes?
One of my sons, who makes rally car roll cages, brought it to my attention that that 4130 is in inches, T45 is millimeter sizes.

I imported the T45 because that is what Andy used and didn't want to mix materials. I did a lot of reading. My tubing came from GB and came in 1" or 25.4mm and slightly smaller diameter than what was existing and snugly slides in with a little sanding. Didn't se any in metric sizes. 

It makes perfect sense that Guzzi would use a euro spec material instead of chrome moly.

 
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