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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #120 on: December 16, 2020, 04:50:58 PM »
I've never seen one dirtier!

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #121 on: December 16, 2020, 07:02:44 PM »
 :shocked: Well, at least it wasn't leaking oil.  :wink:
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #122 on: December 17, 2020, 02:41:59 PM »
I found the transmission drain hole had stripped threads.   I sat down yesterday afternoon and ordered a M10 x 1.5 helicoil set from McMaster Carr  and received it this morning!

Les would have set this up on a 5 axis milling machine  :bow:  but I am just a hack.   :grin:

It was a bit fiddly to get it properly set up in my drill press but it was successful.



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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #123 on: December 17, 2020, 07:01:00 PM »
Well done👍
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #123 on: December 17, 2020, 07:01:00 PM »

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #124 on: December 19, 2020, 05:47:37 AM »
Nice to have the transmission spiffed up and attached.   Internals checked over and new seals of course.  And new deep spline hub. 

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #125 on: December 19, 2020, 08:11:32 AM »
Ooh, that looks great Dave.  I have to admit that when I rebuilt my T3 Cali I didn't open the gearbox or empty the crankcase.  The bike was running well so I just cleaned the cases with phosphoric acid and made that do.  Didn't look quite as nice, but it did come up quite well.  Heads / barrels etc were vapour blasted.

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #126 on: December 19, 2020, 08:17:02 AM »
Ooh, that looks great Dave.  I have to admit that when I rebuilt my T3 Cali I didn't open the gearbox or empty the crankcase.  The bike was running well so I just cleaned the cases with phosphoric acid and made that do.  Didn't look quite as nice, but it did come up quite well.  Heads / barrels etc were vapour blasted.

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It looks great the way you did it.

I converted the clutch to a "deep" spline, therefore it made sense to replace the seals and check things out. 
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2020, 11:46:23 AM »
The lair! 

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2020, 06:06:39 PM »
It is always great to get the frame off of the floor and onto the bike!  AHHH.



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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #129 on: December 22, 2020, 03:03:49 PM »
I had a small setback yesterday.  When I installed the triple tree I realized that the steering stop had snapped off of the frame.  The stop is not very robust on Tonti frames, at least not those I have experience with. 

I swim a mile every morning at 6 a.m. and I find that it is a great time to work through problems of all sorts.

After my swim I had it all sorted out how to properly fix it.  Of course, this involved removing the frame I just installed.  I ground the remnants of the stop to match up with the stop I machined in my mill and welded it with my cheap MIG welder.    It turned out very well!  Now I can resume prior programming.



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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #130 on: December 22, 2020, 03:23:38 PM »
Nice fix ,  :whip2: Way better than new ...........
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #131 on: December 22, 2020, 05:36:27 PM »
I find a broken off, or at the very least bent, stop to be quite common on Tonti Guzzis. That could never happen on a Loop!  :grin: Excellent fix!
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #132 on: December 22, 2020, 08:11:22 PM »
I find a broken off, or at the very least bent, stop to be quite common on Tonti Guzzis. That could never happen on a Loop!  :grin: Excellent fix!

Nice fix, I have repaired three of them in the same way.
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #133 on: December 30, 2020, 01:24:19 PM »
While I wait for a couple parts to be delivered to assemble the front forks I got a couple of pesky jobs out of the way. 

I replaced the carrier and swing arm pivot bearings.  One of the pivot races was fairly easy to pull and the other took quite a bit more slams with the slide hammer.  I also repeated Charlie's method of pushing out the carrier bearing, which is installing a blind bearing puller and pressing it out from the rear as I did on the Lemans.

Since this bike had over 100K miles on it I thought it was prudent to replace them.



I replaced the main seal and input spline on the bevel box.



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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #134 on: December 31, 2020, 06:01:50 PM »
I shudder to think what I have tied up in this front suspension.  $$$   :grin: 

The old forks were shot.  So in went -  NOS fork legs, new fork tubes, Wirth progressive springs, and new dampers, fork caps,  seals etc. 

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #135 on: December 31, 2020, 06:07:42 PM »
I shudder to think what I have tied up in this front suspension.  $$$   :grin: 

It's an investment Dave :laugh:
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #136 on: January 01, 2021, 07:40:19 PM »
The before and after is pretty dramatic on this one.



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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #137 on: January 02, 2021, 01:41:10 PM »
NIce pics! What will you be using for a side stand?

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #138 on: January 02, 2021, 05:53:16 PM »
NIce pics! What will you be using for a side stand?
The police sidestand. 
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #139 on: January 02, 2021, 06:27:24 PM »
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #140 on: January 03, 2021, 06:55:27 AM »
I have had this nice set of Konis on the shelf for 20 years waiting for a project.  I think these have found a home.  I will be deviating from stock!!   :police:



I don't believe I have the gumption to restore the originals.  After 115 thousand hard miles they have earned their keep. 

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #141 on: January 03, 2021, 07:19:38 AM »
I envy you guys that have the skill to do this work. Also, it is great to see you all saving these old bikes that would normally just deteriorate away.  When i see the rare old guzzi or other 30+ year old bike on the road, running well, looking sharp, thanks to this site, I can now appreciate the time, money and effort that went into making it that way. The rest of us have to make do with newer machines, but the most work I will do is adjusting the valves and changing fluids, filters and plugs.  So, we will never know the deep satisfaction you men must feel.  Thanks for sharing the process with us.
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #142 on: January 03, 2021, 10:47:24 AM »
I have had this nice set of Konis on the shelf for 20 years waiting for a project.  I think these have found a home.  I will be deviating from stock!!   :police:



I don't believe I have the gumption to restore the originals.  After 115 thousand hard miles they have earned their keep. 



The Koni or modern equivalent Ikon are a much better shock than stock. Wolfgang Haerter, the Laverda guru takes a new Ikon and machines the old Ceriani shock cast aluminum lower cup with the adjustment arm to fit the bottom of the Ikon, looks stock. I am going to try that with my old worn out stock Eldorado shocks, using the aluminum lower ring on a pair of Hagons.
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #143 on: January 03, 2021, 02:21:33 PM »
I have the same Koni's on my G5, they were also a NOS set that came with my bike as spare parts. I debated the originality as well, and the Koni's won. They look just right on those bikes.
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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #144 on: January 04, 2021, 05:24:41 PM »
  Completely off topic , but , did I see a pan-head with a magneto in one pic and an aftermarket springer in previous pics ? Peter

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #145 on: January 04, 2021, 05:59:29 PM »
  Completely off topic , but , did I see a pan-head with a magneto in one pic and an aftermarket springer in previous pics ? Peter

That is a S&S 93H "Pan"  and a W&W springer.   A future project.  There is also a  Baker 6 into 4 transmission. 

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2021, 11:59:24 PM »
 :grin: Thanks for the reply . You've got more projects than I do , and according to my better half  "that's a lot " ! Peter

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #147 on: January 05, 2021, 11:21:50 AM »
A few more bits hung on.  Most notably the front fender.  Nice!

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #148 on: January 08, 2021, 05:05:12 PM »
More bits hung on. 

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Re: T3 California Restoration
« Reply #149 on: January 09, 2021, 11:51:06 AM »
 :thumb:  a beauty is born again .....
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