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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2014, 09:44:38 PM »
I would expect the back.

Phil

Agreed, I flipped the front fender around, stamp to the back, it looks better now



This lock mechanism was causing grief, had to shim the top clamp, turn down the center nut a wee bit to center the lock plate in the lock body



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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2014, 10:20:19 PM »
Beautiful workmanship and attention to detail as always. Thanks for sharing!

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2014, 11:17:38 PM »
Progress ground to a halt while waiting for a new front axle to arrive, thanks Curtis.

I found a new Record Cross rim in Germany, cleaned and re-spoked the hub, cleaned the brake plates, new shoes, bearings and seals, re-plated the brake hardware and a new tire.





I fitted a new bearing spacer I got from TLM but the inner diameter is too small for the new axle?? The axle fits the front brake plates perfectly, the wrong spacer?



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Just a few thousands off the inside





all buttoned up





Onto the back wheel, I was missing a rear brake plate, the Eldorado front plate is the same as the V7 Sport rear, just need to tap a stud into the bottom of the flange to accept the rear brake stay



It's in pretty good shape but the brake control parts need re-plating



It cleaned up well, new stainless washers, nuts and bolts, the shoes have a lot of life left

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2014, 10:18:59 PM »
When I get the wheels back on a bike I feel like I have reached a milestone, it looks like a bike now, almost.



Getting the rear brake plate fitted was a chore. I always believed the Eldorado front brake plate was identical to the V7 Sport rear brake plate (other than the 10mm stud on the leading edge of the large flange that the Sport brake torque arm attaches to. Even Curtis thought they were the same, well.... I can now confirm they are not. So first I machined in a 10mm stud to match the Sport plate. The inside of the brake plate that buts up to the wheel bearing bushings is about 8mm taller, it means the brake plate sticks out (8mm) from the wheel. So after a spell on the milling machine, shimming the rear drive axle sleeve and the rear wheel bearing spacers its all good ::) A couple evenings work mind you but the wheel and brake plate look bang on, the wheel spins effortlessly.

If your fitting new coils here's a tip, FIRST attach the spark plug leads and then install the coils, forgot that from the first Sport I built.

Installed the tool boxes because I just needed to feel I was getting close.



Only a hundred jobs left, get the seat pan powder coated, recover the seat, polish the rear fender, install the rest of the lights, finish the wiring, install the cables, machine up a copy of the front brake cable splitter, etc............

I got my guide back in the garage to refer to at each puzzling twist in the build


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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2014, 10:18:59 PM »

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2014, 10:25:25 PM »
Beautiful!

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2014, 10:30:32 PM »
The grey colour frame makes it looks bigger than the black one  ;D
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2014, 10:45:51 PM »
Thanks Shaun,

Hi Phang, the colour is Camaro Silver (powder coated) I was hoping it would be a little metallic but no such luck, and I was not about to strip it all off and re-coat it. I think it will look very sharp when its all finished. I always loved the silver framed Laverda SFC and Jotta bikes, I think this will really transform the look of the Sport, may just keep this one and sell the red one!

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2014, 03:48:06 AM »
You're getting on at quite a pace. Mine is still on the bench with no progress since I had my accident and broke my arm at the begginning of September.

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2014, 03:52:07 AM »
You're getting on at quite a pace. Mine is still on the bench with no progress since I had my accident and broke my arm at the begginning of September.


Ah... the frame is more "silvery"

Is it powder coated as well?
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2014, 06:43:59 AM »
Beautiful job
Can you please explain this picture
I don't recall seeing these inserts when I pulled mine apart

Also what steps do you take in getting the alloy parts to look so pristine




 
 


Thanks for the great pictorial

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2014, 08:38:50 AM »
Ah... the frame is more "silvery"

Is it powder coated as well?
Yes mine is powder coated. It's the silver they finish alloy wheels in.
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2014, 09:08:47 AM »
Beautiful job
Can you please explain this picture
I don't recall seeing these inserts when I pulled mine apart

Also what steps do you take in getting the alloy parts to look so pristine
Thanks for the great pictorial

Roy

Hi Roy,

the tubes in the main bearings connect to the oil passages in the block casting, you must have them to maintain oil pressure. They pop out of the bearings with minimal force. You can get new ones from MG Cycle or Harpers.

I clean my castings with aluminum brightener I get from NAPA, very toxic, use caution, you must wear a full face respirator, rubber gloves and use a very high pressure car wash to blast the oxidation off once the acid lifts it from the cast surface. I have been using the NAPA product for many years, amazing stuff. I go to a truck was with very high pressure, take a tub that I mix the acid 50/50, I use a mist spray bottle to cover the castings, wait a minute while it foams up white and then hit it with the pressure washer, repeat until the pats is clean, sometimes this can take 6 ~ 10 coatings and blasts of water. I have even cleaned a motor in situ, just don't get the acid on the brake calipers or black plastic bits, it discolours black stuff!

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2014, 10:05:26 AM »
I deleted my double post, sorry about that, my Mac has a mind of it's own.
Thanks for the tube explanation, I must have them in one of the boxes, I'm pretty sure my 72 had never been apart before me, or could it be they were added to later models, I will look at the bearings to see if they are drilled for them.

Now I remember, you told me once before about the Aluminium brightener, I will pay a visit to NAPA
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2014, 10:12:08 AM »
I deleted my double post, sorry about that, my Mac has a mind of it's own.
Thanks for the tube explanation, I must have them in one of the boxes, I'm pretty sure my 72 had never been apart before me, or could it be they were added to later models, I will look at the bearings to see if they are drilled for them.

Now I remember, you told me once before about the Aluminium brightener, I will pay a visit to NAPA

All Guzzi big-block main bearings (V700 on) have those dowels and holes for them (at least up until the Nuovo 8v I guess?). The dowels serve another purpose - keeps the main bearing insert from moving around inside of the flange. Without them it's possible for the bearing insert to rotate, blocking the oil holes and resulting in major damage. Many times you can't even tell that they are in the bearing until you look carefully or use a magnet to check.
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2014, 10:24:57 AM »


Where did you get the brass looking transmission oil filler bolt?  
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2014, 11:38:04 AM »

Where did you get the brass looking transmission oil filler bolt?  

Probably the original, minus the chrome plating.
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2014, 12:04:41 PM »
Probably the original, minus the chrome plating.
Really. I didn't know you could take the chrome layer off like that.

I sandblasted a S&S chrome air filter cover before and it had a nice satin silver look, but I never got down to a brass-looking layer.
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2014, 12:20:53 PM »
Really. I didn't know you could take the chrome layer off like that.

I sandblasted a S&S chrome air filter cover before and it had a nice satin silver look, but I never got down to a brass-looking layer.

The chrome is usually flaking off the Guzzi fill/drain plugs and dipstick as used on the Eldo and V7 Sport. Probably doesn't take much effort to remove the rest. Solid brass underneath. Most of the earlier Loop plugs were brass too, but zinc plated instead of chrome.

By sandblasting the S&S filter cover, you were probably down to the nickel under the chrome or perhaps the base metal (steel or aluminum?). There wouldn't have been a brass layer, but possibly a copper layer if it was "show chromed".
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2014, 12:24:59 PM »
The chrome is usually flaking off the Guzzi fill/drain plugs and dipstick as used on the Eldo and V7 Sport. Probably doesn't take much effort to remove the rest. Solid brass underneath. Most of the earlier Loop plugs were brass too, but zinc plated instead of chrome.

By sandblasting the S&S filter cover, you were probably down to the nickel under the chrome or perhaps the base metal (steel or aluminum?). There wouldn't have been a brass layer, but possibly a copper layer if it was "show chromed".

Your bang on Charley, the plug was an old beater from my Eldorado, I bead blasted it and then polished it up to shine. I kinda prefer the big brass look but it probably should go back on my Eldo ;)

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2014, 12:45:50 PM »
Your bang on Charley, the plug was an old beater from my Eldorado, I bead blasted it and then polished it up to shine. I kinda prefer the big brass look but it probably should go back on my Eldo ;)
I just checked the plugs on my Ambo and they don't have any flaking chrome. So I don't have an excuse to take it down to the brass and I don't want to risk messing with a perfectly good chrome plug.

The brass does look classy though.
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2014, 09:52:30 PM »
Cables, Hoses and Wires, there are a lot of them on the Sport. Two throttle, two front brake, 1 rear brake, two instruments, the clutch.

New cables hung up, oiled and left to drip oil right through to the bottom of the cable, when I see a drip on a piece of cardboard on the ground I know the cable is fully lubed.





Throttle, cleaned and lubed



The throttle had some slack, the accelerator pump springs were toast, so I installed new ones to get that positive seat of the needle, the throttle is now tight.



Lots of small parts make up the front dual brake cable pulls, some are NOS and a few were made up on my lathe from stainless rod





The front fender support I had did not have the early type chrome ring brake cable guides, MG Cycle has repro rubber ones, drilled holes in the front fender, carefully and slowly..









The crank case breather hose needs a bushing to mate to the zinc plated bracket mounted to the frame, I turned one from aluminum







Just a few more wires to hook up and then to fit the fuse box, under seat light, etc..



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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2014, 10:29:32 PM »
Getting close to the end of this build, I am aiming for having it ready for the 2nd week in January to place in the International Motorcycle Show.

Gregory Bender supplied all the wiring, fantastic kits!

Wiring 90% done, got the seat back from the upholster today, just need to get the fuse box sorted, finish the last of the wiring, some small chrome plating parts to come back from the plating shop.












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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2014, 11:06:53 AM »
Good luck, I'm sure she'll show well. amazing work.
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2014, 11:47:49 AM »
Damn Jim, I'll say it again...NICE work.   Better than new.
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2014, 01:37:18 PM »
Damn Jim, I'll say it again...NICE work.   Better than new.

Thanks Cam ;)

I think I should be able to find a good home for it. I want to move this V7 Sport on in the new year and get on to my 750S clone project and start to clean up the 750S3 I bought in the fall.
I can't ever say I get bored.

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2014, 02:49:07 PM »
Looking good Jim. I like the color combination grey/black.

Soon i am hooping to start with my TR project ;-)

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2014, 03:57:23 PM »
Thanks Cam ;)

I think I should be able to find a good home for it. I want to move this V7 Sport on in the new year and get on to my 750S clone project and start to clean up the 750S3 I bought in the fall.
I can't ever say I get bored.

Someone will get a nice bike, and I hope you'll get some big money.
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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2014, 01:13:53 PM »
Your restoration is amazing and makes me feel as if I will never get mine done.  There was so much you made and sourced ugh where do I start!  Can I come visit and drop off my parts to you  :bow

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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2014, 03:33:31 PM »
Thanks Sam,

Restoring an old klunker is completed one part at a time ;D

There are so many great people willing to help on this web site, no matter the obstacle someone will have an answer the missing part or the technical know how to keep you going.

The first Sport I built last year took twice as long and was twice as difficult, but the help from good people like Rolf in Norway, Joe in Chicago, Charlie in Virginia, Mark at Moto Guzzi Classics, Gord and Rick at MG Cycle and of course Curtis Harper, anything can be brought back to life!


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Re: V7 Sport build the sequal
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2014, 09:43:49 PM »
One part that I could not find is the grey base CEV fuse box. There are black base ones on Ebay, these are new and were probably used on a Moto Morini 3 1/2 or a Benelli 650 Tornado. Probem with the black base is that it only has three fuse slots, the rest of the case is empty.

Grey base one next to the black base.



I drilled out the rivets holding the clear back cover



Then I drilled out the rivets holding all of the terminals and made copies of the L shaped brass plates that support the fuses, I found plated brass ta a hobby shop, drilled the ends and stamped a recess for the fuse end



I needed 7 pairs



I riveted it all back together





It works pretty good, and it's about as close to stock as possible





These stock fuse boxes with their European style fuses are sub-standard in my opinion, I much prefer modern blade fuses. I turfed the old fuse panel in my Eldorado and installed a modern compact blade fuse box next to the battery on my Eldorado. If I were keeping this bike I would do the same and keep the original style fuse box for safe keeping if I ever decided to sell it.




 

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