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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #390 on: May 24, 2020, 04:03:48 AM »
They did not open Friday so must be following this thread, I will ring them tomorrow (Monday) ....... I have more machining requests.

I guess everyone extends the Superpratic with the drum being oddly short, I thought grips would be a 2 minute job.

Tube extension is 18 mm wide (for now) , 25.3 mm OD / 22.4 mm ID.



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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #391 on: May 24, 2020, 09:00:15 AM »
I just use the Superpratic throttle as-is. Doesn't really hurt anything to have the last bit of grip unsupported.
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #392 on: May 24, 2020, 05:21:07 PM »
I just use the Superpratic throttle as-is. Doesn't really hurt anything to have the last bit of grip unsupported.

Ditto,  you will never know the difference Les, but knowing you that wont do!   :grin:
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #393 on: May 24, 2020, 07:19:12 PM »
The action and lightness is smoother than both my (FI) Africa Twin and Hypermotard 1100S but that will have to do.

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I got through to the place I got the $77.50 genuine ignition switch off.

No surprises.
I get some old dude (it was a friendly woman last week) on the phone.

Its all good until I mention the word defective new part (politely)

He then has a instant grump, says bring it back (An over 2 hour return trip) and it will be replaced and hangs up ? (Hello, hello ?  :laugh:)

I know the drill now, part with hard earned wages, get junk and then you are deemed a whiner. (shrug)  :laugh:

Its a sunny day so might ride up there on the AT/DCT.
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #394 on: May 25, 2020, 01:32:58 AM »
Well there you go.
45 minute ride to return the Lucas switch, the look was priceless when after being told there was nothing wrong with it, I turned it on and then pulled the barrel out with the key still in it.  :laugh:

He came to the party after that, got me a good one that I checked  :thumb: and we ended up chatting in the morning sun for nearly an hour. 
I can't be that bad after all.  :laugh:


I will take the ignition leads to the same place that checked the generator and starter motor to have the ends changed from bullets to spade terminals.
I have found it hard to find quality electrical  terminals that are not made of cheese, a dedicated auto electrical should have good ones.

My neutral light is not going out so have to conclude I put the sensor in upside down (I do have both the green and black wires on its terminal but that should only mean starting in neutral only )

The switch is made in the UK and due to its smaller size might be viable in a single instrument dash.


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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #395 on: May 25, 2020, 05:01:26 AM »
you're getting there Les :grin: even though it's been a  :boxing: :boxing: :wink:
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #396 on: May 26, 2020, 11:25:04 PM »
All is good again, I went and measured up the was a big block Mustang but now a $$$ 351 with quad down draft Webers for the easy linkage job (It won't be easy but it is a sunny day)

On the way I dropped the GB wiring loom parts off at the same Auto electrical who/whom did the Bosch starter motor and generator checks (and de soldered the solenoid cap to refurb the contacts)

It needed to be a job to the same or as close to as GB did with decent quality terminals (They fit tightly and do not bend/distort/open)
This new switch had spades and the loom was done for the Magneti Marelli switch which had bullets.
They tried to charge me $3 (US$1.92) but would not have a bar of it, the best I could do was get it up to $5 (note)

I will add this momentous no drama, no BS occasion to the list of other one.  :laugh:

Thanks dudes, always great service and smiling faces.  :thumb: :thumb:

https://bashisautoelectrics.com.au/

The new super high quality second Lucas switch (OFF/ON/START)  has a nice action and the barrel does not come out in the ON position so I will stop complaining  :wink:



Of course in true fashion the bits I machined for the OEM switch are now paperweights to go with the many others over this journey.

The switch body is 35 mm OD , the boot is off a 1970's Norton Commando.

They also have a front boot which I will use, mounting by a simple plate that passes through the slot.






 

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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #397 on: June 02, 2020, 03:27:49 AM »
Back to it, a police type ignition switch bracket in the morning......




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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #398 on: June 02, 2020, 04:24:18 AM »
That's Beautiful :grin: :thumb:
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #399 on: June 02, 2020, 08:53:04 PM »
Its a 1967 big block S code car with that 550 hp small block now, hard to believe I was driving the 1968 version 40 years ago as a 20 yo.

Time to make some swarf.
The Lucas switch with Norton rear boot should almost look factory and will allow the tool box to be retained unlike the original police set up (no tool box)
The original Magneti Marelli ignition switch was way to big to do this... so all good for the Anglo/Italia version.



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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #400 on: June 02, 2020, 09:26:56 PM »
Some revisions to be made, Ignition switch, tool box opening, rear grab rails, Lucas indicators on the stock mount and tucked in Dan Brown panniers will not go together.  :laugh:

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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #401 on: June 04, 2020, 07:48:03 PM »









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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #402 on: June 04, 2020, 08:02:22 PM »
Hey Presto!
Another pretty piece pops out of Les's workshop :grin: :thumb:
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #403 on: June 06, 2020, 12:09:11 AM »
That will do with another front cover machined from Acetyl, the window in it to fit over the alloy bracket was a bit tricky with a 1.6 mm wall but a insert inside it stopped any shattering.
Its looks like a stock type part.

I need to drill one 6 mm hole in the frame gusset to mount it front of the L/H Ikon shock absorber.... It will be a time to be careful, drilling through the rear fender and into the tyre/tire is best avoided.










 
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #404 on: June 06, 2020, 11:51:08 AM »
How do you think this stuff up?  :thumb:

Amazing detailing, I wish I could apprentice in your shop for a year or two just to learn how to run a mill with some skill and confidence.

I don;t think too many people could make a motorcycle from scratch with just some steel tubes and aluminum billet, but I am pretty sure your one of them. :bow:
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #405 on: June 07, 2020, 08:04:31 PM »
Every time I look at the craftsmanship exhibited by Les I feel like riding my restorations off a cliff.  Of course jumping off just in time to get another.   :boozing:
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #406 on: June 07, 2020, 08:33:10 PM »

Those circles were looming last week.
When I got the bike it had the large stock ignition switch at the location below the speedometer (Police dash)
The switch fascia ring is a little to large so was a bit bodgy, the trip reset was mounted at the left side of the dash where the reset had been.

It might be a 100 pages back but I modified the dash to get the trip reset back in the stock location below the speedometer and then a bit of work to get the needed push/pull switch back to the left side under the warning lights.

I had not given much thought to it when I ordered the Greg Bender police loom to suit the dash (It had a hacked civilian loom) only to find (not doing ones homework) the police ignition switch is at the rear of the bike and even if I had one (or the bracket) it would not be a bolt in with a L/H tool box, the police bike does not have one.

In hindsight given the Lucas switch is only around 35 mm diameter, I probably could have put it in the dash and asked Greg to do a police dash loom with civilian ignition switch wiring that goes to the front of the bike.

FB has had its entertainment this week especially from my good old mate who I met when we started out Boilermaker apprenticeships in 1976.

Probably 1985 and some form of bad hair day.  :laugh: :laugh:



 




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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #407 on: June 07, 2020, 08:38:17 PM »
I need to do something about the breather box, that hopefully will be the last major part to make or modify.
It will have a small twin petal reed valve that I have already.

Thanks for the replies  :thumb:

A guy posted on the FB Commando page the other day and when I held the mouse over his name to see what the bike was then looked in his profile for the bigger pic version, what other bike did he have (In the UK)  ?
A T3 California in stock trim.
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #408 on: June 07, 2020, 09:03:07 PM »


A guy posted on the FB Commando page the other day and when I held the mouse over his name to see what the bike was then looked in his profile for the bigger pic version, what other bike did he have (In the UK)  ?
A T3 California in stock trim.

I need to seek out this obviously supremely intelligent fellow!   :grin:
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1968 V700
1973 V7 Sport
1974 Eldo
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1977 Lemans 1.2
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1993 1000S - Sparklehorse
2004 V11S - Eraldo-ized
2016 Griso SE - Beetle-ized
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #410 on: June 11, 2020, 09:11:51 PM »
If there was a little voice  :laugh: .. It might say, why not just remove the flapper disc and put one of those reed valves inside the stock breather box that was cut open a week or three back and fuse weld it back together.



I think this was rusty/corroded on the inside from sitting for many years (The connecting rods were rusty (replaced) as was the crankshaft (cleaned up fine)

Do these bikes really push oil out of the breather hose from the box ? or only with a high oil level.
The tube/tower inside rises to maybe 6 mm / 1/4" from the roof of the box and you might think (or not) any oil would hit the flapper disc and fan outward settling on the box floor running down the return to the sump.

Charlie M did say 2.8 litres is about it.




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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #411 on: June 12, 2020, 01:27:23 AM »

Do these bikes really push oil out of the breather hose from the box ? or only with a high oil level.
The tube/tower inside rises to maybe 6 mm / 1/4" from the roof of the box and you might think (or not) any oil would hit the flapper disc and fan outward settling on the box floor running down the return to the sump.

Charlie M did say 2.8 litres is about it.

The breather box is supposed to condense the oily mist. 
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1968 V700
1973 V7 Sport
1974 Eldo
1974 Police Eldo
1976 Convert
1977 Lemans 1.2
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1993 1000S - Sparklehorse
2004 V11S - Eraldo-ized
2016 Griso SE - Beetle-ized
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #412 on: June 13, 2020, 02:18:40 AM »
The was a crazy amount of work but that bit is done and will get back to it.

What I will do now is modify the stock breather box to take one of those reed valves and T.I.G it back together and try that... or the stock breather box will go into the top of this, tomorrow.





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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #413 on: June 13, 2020, 04:28:16 AM »
Nothing wrong with your motivation Les :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #414 on: June 13, 2020, 05:22:08 PM »
You don't want to know what I have come up with.  :laugh:

It will need some of that black paint.



I need to make a breather for the final drive but it can not have a hose or look to obvious.

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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #415 on: June 14, 2020, 07:25:13 PM »
Never found the need to add a breather for the rear drive. Run it until up to max. temp, "burp" it, done.
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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
« Reply #416 on: June 14, 2020, 09:48:14 PM »
Never found the need to add a breather for the rear drive. Run it until up to max. temp, "burp" it, done.

That works for me.  :thumb:

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Re: Eldorado and the quest to ride a Moto Guzzi for the first time.
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« Reply #419 on: June 17, 2020, 11:49:55 PM »
WOW!!! :thumb: :grin:
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