2016 V7 II Stone (Personal Issues)

[Jim C]

I'm sure it's just me, not having been on a bike for a while
('bout 6 moths) and then get back on a brand-new 2016
V7 II Stone, but I have never had as many problems as I have
had on this thing. I stalled it twice at the DMV leaving the parking
lot, got to a red light, stalled when the light turned green, missed
shifts, wrong gear, you name it. Sheesh, what a day!

Glad I don't get embarrassed easily, but I did not find it amusing—AT ALL!
It now has a total of 17 miles on it...woo hoo! (I don't recall having this
many problems on the V7C I had.)

Jim

[Vasco DG]

Sounds very much like you're suffering from the poor clutch adjustment issue that seems to be plaguing V7-II owners. How much free play in the lever before you feel the clutch start to actuate?

Pete

[Kev m]

Pete, do the V7II's use the same maps as the earlier 1TB models?

[Vasco DG]

Buggered if I know?

[Kev m]

Buggered if I know?

Because here in the US on the 1TB models before the V7II it looks like they may have still been installing the old map (that stumbled cold) in the factory even after the better one was available to dealers.

Basically I'm wondering if he might have an updated MSI available. Logic would suggest no, but this is Guzzi and stranger things have happened.

[sib]

My '16 V7-II Stone worked fine right out of the crate.  I think the map must be different than the original one that came with my '13 Stone.  (Problems with the '13 were totally fixed by a software update).  Also, the clutch adjustment on the '16 was close enough that it didn't cause shifting problems.  I did tweak it a bit and the adjustment has held steady for 3600 mi.

[guzzisteve]

For those who have a 16' model V7 II w/ABS & TC there is an update in mapping that came out the beginning of August
Original from factory- 4533V740
Updated map- 4533V795

For those who have the 'HalfBreed' V7II motor & 5 speed gearbox, NON ABS
There was an update map 352BV737

For those who have a 1TB V7 w/exterior alt, there was an update
Original- 3523V702 for late Racers
Update- 352BV738 for Racers
Original- 3523V7149 for Stone & Specials (warm-up wait 2min or no go)

What is the difference between #737 and #738 ?    I have no idea, you would have to suck out maps & compare.
These #'s are from my notes I record when changing customers maps w/factory PADS software

[jas67]

For those who have a 1TB V7 w/exterior alt, there was an update
Original- 3523V702 for late Racers
Update- 352BV738 for Racers
Original- 3523V7149 for Stone & Specials

Hmmm, I wonder why different maps for Racers vs. Stone & Special?

[Cam3512]

Hmmm, I wonder why different maps for Racers vs. Stone & Special?

Not sure, but the update I got was 738 above listed for Racer.

SAME engine!

[Cam3512]

For those who have a 16' model V7 II w/ABS & TC there is an update in mapping that came out the beginning of August
Original from factory- 4533V740
Updated map- 4533V795

For those who have the 'HalfBreed' V7II motor & 5 speed gearbox, NON ABS
There was an update map 352BV737

For those who have a 1TB V7 w/exterior alt, there was an update
Original- 3523V702 for late Racers
Update- 352BV738 for Racers
Original- 3523V7149 for Stone & Specials

What is the difference between #737 and #738 ?    I have no idea, you would have to suck out maps & compare.
These #'s are from my notes I record when changing customers maps w/factory PADS software

Steve,

You don't list an Update for the Stone and Special.  I suspect it's the same 738 you have listed for the Racer.

[Lannis]

I'm sure it's just me, not having been on a bike for a while
('bout 6 moths) and then get back on a brand-new 2016
V7 II Stone, but I have never had as many problems as I have
had on this thing. I stalled it twice at the DMV leaving the parking
lot, got to a red light, stalled when the light turned green, missed
shifts, wrong gear, you name it. Sheesh, what a day!

Glad I don't get embarrassed easily, but I did not find it amusing�AT ALL!
It now has a total of 17 miles on it...woo hoo! (I don't recall having this
many problems on the V7C I had.)

Jim

Maybe you're getting the same thing I am.

If I hadn't ridden a bike in 6 months, I could get on the best-adjusted bike in the world of any brand, and I'd look like the Keystone Kops going down the road for the first 50 miles.   Missing shifts, slipping the clutch, using the wrong foot to shift, too much brake, not enough brake, stalling it .... The same thing happens when I get off my BSA or Norton and back on my Guzzi or vice-versa.   I look like a beginner for the first 50 miles ...

... and then start to smooth out and look like a guy that's been riding for 44 years.    Two weeks on the same bike and I feel like Kenny Roberts on whatever I'm riding.   Then switch bikes, or lay off for a while, and I'm Pee Wee Herman again ....

Lannis

[MGPilot]

Is 17 miles too short to tell much?

I only have about 360 miles on my V7II, but either it has smoothed out, or I've adjusted to it -- or both. Shifts are butter. It is a little lumpy when cold, but hasn't stalled....but I have few stop signs and only one or two stop lights....so I may not have an appropriate comparison.

The guys at the shop at Moto International made the point that the oxygen sensors can take a surprisingly long time to heat up. They recommended starting the bike and letting it idle while you put on your riding gear, giving the sensors more time to warm up before riding.

(I'm probably one of the lower mileage-accumulating riders on the board.  I live on an island with a really nice loop around the edge. Although the speed limits are low, there are probably 50 tight corners & switch backs -- making it an Excellent route -- but also making highway riding a little boring. So, most of my 360 miles are 15-mile loop rides to take a break from work.)

Good luck.  With some miles, a lot of it may work itself out.  With brand new tolerances, there's a lot of friction in the engine that won't be there in a few weeks.

[sib]

For those who have the 'HalfBreed' V7II motor & 5 speed gearbox, NON ABS
There was an update map 352BV737

For those who have a 1TB V7 w/exterior alt, there was an update
Original- 3523V702 for late Racers
Update- 352BV738 for Racers
Original- 3523V7149 for Stone & Specials (warm-up wait 2min or no go)

What is the difference between #737 and #738 ?    I have no idea, you would have to suck out maps & compare.
These #'s are from my notes I record when changing customers maps w/factory PADS software

There may be a typo or incomplete listing here.  My '13 Stone (dry alternator, not Racer) got update 352BV738.

[sib]

Steve,

You don't list an Update for the Stone and Special.  I suspect it's the same 738 you have listed for the Racer.

That's what my '13 dry alternator Stone got.

[guzzisteve]

Some got 737 and some got 738, this depends on what the PADS software had at the time in its updated firmware for model entered that I was working on.

[Kev m]

I just finally got 149 updated to 738 on my 13 Stone after almost 10k miles.

Report will follow soon.

[SeanF]

I'm sure it's just me, not having been on a bike for a while
('bout 6 moths) and then get back on a brand-new 2016
V7 II Stone, but I have never had as many problems as I have
had on this thing. I stalled it twice at the DMV leaving the parking
lot, got to a red light, stalled when the light turned green, missed
shifts, wrong gear, you name it. Sheesh, what a day!

Glad I don't get embarrassed easily, but I did not find it amusing�AT ALL!
It now has a total of 17 miles on it...woo hoo! (I don't recall having this
many problems on the V7C I had.)

Jim

FWIW...I've had my '14 v7 Special for about 10 days/300 miles, and I found the clutch, as delivered, not so great to live with. The friction zone started very close to the grip, while most of the bikes I'm used to have the friction zone closer to the middle of the lever throw.
There's a great thread here somewhere (search will turn it up) for adjustment of the clutch cable freeplay, both at the lever and at the back of the transmission. After reading the thread and farting with mine a bit, I find it much improved. The most important point is to have some distance between the lever arm behind the transmsission and the bit it contacts to engage the pushrod. Have a look down/back there and it will make sense.

If your last bike had a wet clutch, you may find that the single plate dry cutch takes a little more finesse to engage smoothly, and IMO the friction zone itself is much smaller (comprises less lever throw). It will take building a little muscle memory on your part to get a feel for it.

[Kev m]

I just finally got 149 updated to 738 on my 13 Stone after almost 10k miles.

Report will follow soon.

Sweet!!!

Success!!!

Just to test, fired it cold this afternoon and immediately pulled out of garage.

Last three years it would have stalled instantly.

Instead, it pulled out and kept idling.

I would guess idle speed is a hair higher.

Definitely smoother on cold starts and the first few miles of warming up.

[Kev m]

Kev - Could I ask who performed the update? I assume FBF or Eurosport, ... I think my '15 V7R needs it too. Starts cold fine, but don't even touch the throttle for a minute or so of idling. or instant stall. Once warm, fueling is excellent.

I'm coming to trust Massimo at Eurosports.

That said, I knew I still had the old map (149) from the time Pete visited and I knew Eurosports had recently installed the more recent map (738) on Cam's special.

I'm not up on the details for a 15 though. Is there an updated map in GuzziSteve's list earlier in this thread that applies for you?

[Cam3512]

Aside from the cold start issue (having 3 vintage bikes I'm used to warming them up), the low speed fueling of the new map is greatly improved.  Take-offs are like butta baby.  Must be richer fueling down low.  Cruising low RPMS in a parking lot is much better.  Less  surging and clutch slipping.

[Offcamber1]

What is the difference between #737 and #738 ?

One?

[jas67]

Sweet!!!

Success!!!

Just to test, fired it cold this afternoon and immediately pulled out of garage.

Last three years it would have stalled instantly.

Instead, it pulled out and kept idling.

I would guess idle speed is a hair higher.

Definitely smoother on cold starts and the first few miles of warming up.

EXCELLENT!    I'm getting mine done!

Kev -- did Eurosports do it while you wait?    When Europa Macchina reflashed my 2009 V7C the insisted that I had to leave it.   It would be a lot more convenient to not have to make two trips with an extra driver or trailer.    In fact, even though Eurosports is a good bit further, a single trip to them would take less time than two trips to E.M., esp. if I end up using the trailer.

[Kev m]

Yes, while we waited...

[Cam3512]

Saturday at Eurosports is "first come, first serve". They open at 9am.  I was in and out in an hour (including BS'ing with everybody in the shop).  Or make an appointment.  Your local shop should have PADS with the same updates?

[jas67]

Saturday at Eurosports is "first come, first serve". They open at 9am.  I was in and out in an hour (including BS'ing with everybody in the shop).  Or make an appointment.  Your local shop should have PADS with the same updates?

Yes, but, last time I had them do a flash, they insisted I had to leave the bike.    I'll see if they'll do it while I wait, if they won't, I'll just make a visit to Eurosports some Saturday morning.

[Arizona Wayne]

There's a Jim C who has been riding scooters for years with twist & go, car like take offs.  If this is the same guy, yes, you have a learning curve going from a scooter to a MC. 

[Jim C]

AW,

Nope, ain't me. Only scooters I've done were in Honolulu, Hawaii,
and were severely speed-restricted, like the jet-skis (limited to 35
mph on the water—what fun is that? But I digress¨¯...
I've never actually owned a scooter.

Jim

[yourfavorite]

My V7II (1100 mi) only has stalling issues from a cold start but after that its totally fine. My clutch wasn't adjusted properly so I gave that a tweak myself and its been fine ever since. I've had a few instances of the bike not shifting up a gear. Shifter moves but the gear doesn't go. Hasn't happened lately but I know I ran into it a few times in the first 600 miles. Wasn't a huge deal for me though.