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An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« on: April 24, 2021, 05:14:12 PM »
https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2021-Moto-Guzzi-V7-Special-E5-5016300012

Photo's sure look real...though these days, you never know with PhotoShop.

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2021, 05:27:04 PM »
It bugs me when a bike has been punched out to 850 and it’s still called a V7..(and I bet I’m not alone here..).
I’m reminded of the Triumph Daytonas that displaced 955 CC’s and were called a T595. Size is important, it’s a boy thing..
I have been rabbiting on about this for years.
The 750 is a V7
The Roamer is a V9
The new thing has to be a V8, because if Guzzi ever decide to give the punter what he wants and build a new Le Mans, it will easily out sell the V85.
I’m willing to bet with anyone here that history will bear me out.
I venture to say that there will be riders who would trade their current V7 for a V8 just for the perceived “improvement”. Notwithstanding the implied tip of the hat to the racing relic of yesteryear.
BTW.
The new bike needs a thicker seat and twin front discs, single looks cheap and nasty.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2021, 05:30:26 PM by Huzo »

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2021, 06:34:28 PM »
They are at several US dealers, I covered this in another thread. 

I agree Huzo, the names are a bit bizarre.  But there is really no need for dual front disks on these bikes. 

I think Guzzi is doing all it can to offer small batch , made in Italy bikes for well under 10k US.  Dual front disk would add $$ and needles weight. 

Yes, I know they would look meaner with duals, but it’s still a sub 500 pound, 65 hp m/c, but really, who are we trying to convince?
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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2021, 06:44:46 PM »
long ago they had a V7 700  and a V7 850 GT I think.
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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2021, 06:50:00 PM »
I sure love the looks of the new  blue 850 Special. But, maybe I’ll wait awhile to see if this crankshaft stays together. Honestly, I’m tired of manufacturers trying to save a few bucks. What would it have cost to put the real 850tt engine in it? $500 or so? Big deal! 10 years down the road and a Conrod bearing scores, you’re out of luck. Have to buy a new crank/con assembly. The cost will be so horrendous that you might as well donate the bike to Goodwill and take a tax write off.


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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2021, 06:57:32 PM »
It bugs me when a bike has been punched out to 850 and it’s still called a V7..(and I bet I’m not alone here..).
I’m reminded of the Triumph Daytonas that displaced 955 CC’s and were called a T595. Size is important, it’s a boy thing..
I have been rabbiting on about this for years.
The 750 is a V7
The Roamer is a V9
The new thing has to be a V8, because if Guzzi ever decide to give the punter what he wants and build a new Le Mans, it will easily out sell the V85.
I’m willing to bet with anyone here that history will bear me out.
I venture to say that there will be riders who would trade their current V7 for a V8 just for the perceived “improvement”. Notwithstanding the implied tip of the hat to the racing relic of yesteryear.
BTW the new bike needs a thicker seat and twin front discs, single looks cheap and nasty.

It's a bit late in the day to be expecting logic from Guzzi I think.

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2021, 07:08:00 PM »
I sure love the looks of the new  blue 850 Special. But, maybe I’ll wait awhile to see if this crankshaft stays together. Honestly, I’m tired of manufacturers trying to save a few bucks. What would it have cost to put the real 850tt engine in it? $500 or so? Big deal! 10 years down the road and a Conrod bearing scores, you’re out of luck. Have to buy a new crank/con assembly. The cost will be so horrendous that you might as well donate the bike to Goodwill and take a tax write off.

Don't look now but the car world is the same. How about a simple oil seal change behind the harmonic balancer in a modern engine. Loosen off the pully/balancer bolt and there goes the cam timing and to re set the cam timing means, rocker cover off, cam driven vacuum pump off, Cam driven HP fuel pump off, inlet cam vacuum drive off, crank TDC tool installed, starter motor off and flywheel lock fitted, new TTY pulley bolt and diamond faced drive washer. All this so they can save a few bucks cutting keyways in the crank nose and balancer and save 2 cents on a key and a step in factory assembly. You want cheap and throw away? you got it. Sad part is it's all beyond the skill level of the average mechanic these days.

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2021, 08:07:34 PM »
Don't look now but the car world is the same. How about a simple oil seal change behind the harmonic balancer in a modern engine. Loosen off the pully/balancer bolt and there goes the cam timing and to re set the cam timing means, rocker cover off, cam driven vacuum pump off, Cam driven HP fuel pump off, inlet cam vacuum drive off, crank TDC tool installed, starter motor off and flywheel lock fitted, new TTY pulley bolt and diamond faced drive washer. All this so they can save a few bucks cutting keyways in the crank nose and balancer and save 2 cents on a key and a step in factory assembly. You want cheap and throw away? you got it. Sad part is it's all beyond the skill level of the average mechanic these days.

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2021, 09:34:06 PM »
They are at several US dealers, I covered this in another thread. 

I agree Huzo, the names are a bit bizarre.  But there is really no need for dual front disks on these bikes. 

I think Guzzi is doing all it can to offer small batch , made in Italy bikes for well under 10k US.  Dual front disk would add $$ and needles weight. 

Yes, I know they would look meaner with duals, but it’s still a sub 500 pound, 65 hp m/c, but really, who are we trying to convince?
If I was buying one and I could pay for an extra disc, I’d pay up. All I’d need is the redundant lugs on the right side and my V7 would have twin discs straight away.
My V85 does not “need” a second disc either, but I want it.

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2021, 09:38:43 PM »
I sure love the looks of the new  blue 850 Special. But, maybe I’ll wait awhile to see if this crankshaft stays together. Honestly, I’m tired of manufacturers trying to save a few bucks. What would it have cost to put the real 850tt engine in it?
How will you know if the crank is any good, if you don’t buy one ? If everyone does that, they won’t sell any and the cranks will last forever.
Also, I have never ridden a V9, but if I could have gotten a V85 with the stock V9 motor in it ex factory for significantly less, I would have.
By all accounts they are a more “Guzzi like” mill.

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2021, 12:34:43 AM »
Do tell what car is that?  So I can avoid...
Lots of avoiding to do, all Ford 2.0 and 2.3 litre engines which are basically a Mazda engine so all the 4 cylinder Mazda engines for the last 10 years or so as well and I'm told even BMW use this basically friction drive system for the cams as well. So the crank drive sprocket and both the cam VCT drives are located on the crank and cams by friction washers. Undo any of those fasteners and the cam timing slips and you have a whole lot of work to do. 75% of Ford Focus RS engines (pretty much the same as the 2.3 Mustang engine) had to be recalled for head gasket replacement and the dealer mechanics in a horribly large percentage of cases completely stuffed up the job. Cam timing wrong oil leaks you name it. Here's a tip, if you own a new car and plan on keeping it a while and it develops an issue that requires significant engine intrusion even under warranty just get rid of it and buy a new one. You'll take a financial hit but less drama in the long run.

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2021, 07:21:04 AM »
if you think MG naming is confusing, what about the Rotax Engined BMW 750, faux 850, real 850 etc.
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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2021, 08:01:43 AM »
That does look nice...  I would love to see the new, and old together. The new ones just look bigger. Im guessing its just the detail changes that causes that effect though.
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2021, 08:37:59 AM »
AJ Cycles in Gill, MA also shows one on the ground...

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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2021, 11:22:46 AM »
It bugs me when a bike has been punched out to 850 and it’s still called a V7..(and I bet I’m not alone here..).
I’m reminded of the Triumph Daytonas that displaced 955 CC’s and were called a T595. Size is important, it’s a boy thing..
I have been rabbiting on about this for years.
The 750 is a V7
The Roamer is a V9
The new thing has to be a V8, because if Guzzi ever decide to give the punter what he wants and build a new Le Mans, it will easily out sell the V85.
I’m willing to bet with anyone here that history will bear me out.
I venture to say that there will be riders who would trade their current V7 for a V8 just for the perceived “improvement”. Notwithstanding the implied tip of the hat to the racing relic of yesteryear.
BTW.
The new bike needs a thicker seat and twin front discs, single looks cheap and nasty.

Ummm it says 850 right on the bike.

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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2021, 12:02:09 PM »
Only the Special has it on the tank.
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2021, 03:14:34 PM »
Only the Special has it on the tank.

Well I guess the Mazda 626, Porsche 911. Ford F150 etc have some explaining to do LMAO

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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2021, 12:00:22 PM »
Not sure I get what you mean.

The F150 refers to bed capacity of 1500 pounds.  Maybe modern f150 call haul more, I have no clue.

The 911 references nothing what so ever, Porsche just thought it sounded cool.

I don’t know what the 626 means.
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2021, 06:30:49 PM »
911 was originally the 901, but Peugeut sued them over the use of _0_ and Porsche changed theirs to 911.  Knowing the German mind, there was probably some engineering explanation for the 901 designation. 
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Re: An actual 2021 V7 Special Arrival?
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2021, 07:55:19 PM »
All Right, Stephen! Picture is great but your riding impressions are what we are waiting for.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2021, 08:42:09 AM »
Wow...not just a V7 Special, but an actual Centenario!

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2021, 10:17:28 AM »
I sat on a Centenario last week at Razee Motorcycles in North Kingston, RI.  I'm waiting for my black Stone to arrive (any day, now).
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2021, 10:32:21 AM »
Yep.....they should rename the Fiat 500 to the......1400   :wink: :wink:

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2021, 11:50:21 AM »
And the list goes on and on.

Hell half or more if all BMWs, how about Audis, how about our new Defender P300 is the 2.0 4-cyl and the P400 is the 3.0L 6-cyl. It sometimes looks like Land Rovers name the engine by hp, but it's not always true and I haven't deciphered the pattern yet.

Bottom line benning conventions CAN have something to do with engine size or layout but probably more don't than do. And I can't see fit the life of me why anyone cares all that much one way or the other, even when they did and then diverge.
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2021, 12:39:06 PM »
Huzo, others.

For much better front braking with a single disc do what MG did with their Euro only endurance racers - curiously looks to be an exact copy of the modification Jim Hamlins' shop put together 6 or so years ago. Swop out the stock front brake caliper for a Brembo 4 pot. Swop the MC for a Brembo fully adjustable, remote reservoir, radial MC.  You could live longer!

When we couldn't get my abs to work as new ('17 V7 III R), I had Hamlin's do the conversion. The frt. abs began working several days later, followed by the rear, w/in an hour, or so. IOW? It's not only suspension that needs help on virtually any new bike - do the brakes!   R3~

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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2021, 01:12:57 PM »
That's not my experience.  The Roamers brakes are quite good, stock.  It takes a bit more pressure to make it stop quick with a single disk up front, compared to a dual disk, but nothing that takes any actual muscle strength.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2021, 05:21:31 PM »
Five 2021 V7s are also at Hamlin Cycles in Bethel, Connecticut...three Specials and two Centenarios.

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