Hold out for the V7 II or dive in now?

[jas67]

I've got very mixed views about ABS.   At least on my BMW F800, it seems to have as many downsides as upsides.  Yes, I suppose it could save a skid on wet leaves or something.   But over bumpy pavement, the dang thing activates when not needed, substantially increasing stopping distance.

I've only put 2,300 miles on my Monster 796 (w/ ABS), but, I've never had the ABS activate except for "trying it" in a gravel parking lot.

YMMV.

[kevdog3019]

I think the guys who haven't ridden the current generation probably ought to wait and see what the V7II has to offer rather than condemn the changes based on experience with 2 or more generation removed model variations cause small differences add up.

Not condemning something I have no idea about, just saying I find nothing to shake a stick at with the current 5 speed.  4 valve heads would turn my head.  Again... no condemnation of the current 2-valve, just not my cup O' tea. 

[mwrenn]

With a real fueling solution or that bastardized PC/AutoTune crap?

Yep, with a Rexxer map loaded to the MIU ECU. 

[guzziks]

Something else to keep in mind is that the price of the existing new stock wii be discounted heavily.  My local dealer has all his 14 v7's discounted by around 2k if I remember correctly.  R model, white stone and a classic.  Those r models are sure good looking.  Also the Griso and 15 norge are discounted.

They told me a guy test rode the griso and the Ducati scrambler.  His comment was the griso was way more bike than the scrambler.  I believe he may have bought the griso. They let me test the scrambler and it is a snappy little bike.  But too small for me, at 5 10".  The seat was becoming painful after about 15 minutes.  Throttle response is too responsive and jerky for my taste. The suspension was harsh over large bumps or pavement cracks,  I have not ridden the v7, but from what i have read here, I think it would be superior for normal and comuter riding.

Also keep in mind that the new one will probably have ride by wire due to traction control.  Which may lead to abrupt throttle control like so many of the ride by wire bikes.  Just have to wait and see.

Since they are in Europe, does anyone know of European forums that have discussed them?

[Kev m]

Also keep in mind that the new one will probably have ride by wire due to traction control.  Which may lead to abrupt throttle control like so many of the ride by wire bikes.  Just have to wait and see.

I know it's hard to follow the back and forth, but the latest thought we're back to is that the current 1TB is actually a modified RBW, only allowing minimal cable control of the throttle plate for limp home function.

Though I've not bothered to test this, I've been told it by Pete R so feel it's likely reliable.

[Vasco DG]

Walt, all the single TB models are this 'Semi-RBW' system and they throttle up just fine.

Pete

[guzziks]

Pete, thanks good to know.  Hopefully the new will wor well also.

[coastdude]

I've just got back from a 500 kilometer overnight ride on my V7II special. This is the longest ride I've done since buying the bike new a few weeks ago. The roads were mountainous (for Australia) and twisty, I had my wife and panniers on the back and the bike went flawlessly. I noticed on the highway that in 6th gear I was cruising at 115 kmh (70 mph) at 4200 rpm, I don't know if it this is better than the previous model. The gearbox is very smooth and seems to be getting even better. I haven't had to use the ABS or traction control yet but it feels good knowing it is there. My bike was only $500 more than the outgoing model (which is still sitting on the salesroom floor). I rode a 2014 stone demonstrator and it was good but then I got a whiff that the new model was imminent, I'm glad I waited as I hope it will retain its value longer. A sheepskin seat cover has improved comfort and I'm off on a longer trip later in the week without wife which should really allow the bike and I to get to know each other.

[Kev m]

I've just got back from a 500 kilometer overnight ride on my V7II special.

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 I noticed on the highway that in 6th gear I was cruising at 115 kmh (70 mph) at 4200 rpm, I don't know if it this is better than the previous model.

Interesting.

If that's an accurate number that's 200 rpm lower than my V7 Stone in 5th at 70 mph (4400).

[sib]

Interesting.

If that's an accurate number that's 200 rpm lower than my V7 Stone in 5th at 70 mph (4400).

The numbers may be accurate but they can be influenced by actual (as opposed to nominal) tire size, and, of course, speedometer and odometer accuracy.  The overall ratio (engine revs/axle rev) for the 6-sp 6th gear is 4.685, and for the 5-sp 5th gear is 4.764.  That's only a 1.68% difference. Using the nominal tire circumference of 79.13", 70 mph should come at 4450 rpm for the 5-sp 5th gear and 4375 rpm for the 6-sp 6th gear, a difference of 75 rpm.

[yourfavorite]

Thanks for all the input everyone. With all of this info and the word from the Portland dealer saying they'd have V7IIs in the US in 10 days, I'm going to hold out and see what happens over the next month.

[jas67]

Thanks for all the input everyone. With all of this info and the word from the Portland dealer saying they'd have V7IIs in the US in 10 days, I'm going to hold out and see what happens over the next month.

 :food

[Kev m]

You guys sure the Portland dealer didn't mean they have II V7s coming in.

Seriously, Moto International, MPH, AF1 ... NONE of them have said they are about to get a V7II...? ???

[JeffOlson]

From their Facebook page on April 17:

"I also have a large order of V7II arriving in 10 days, so stop by and check them out. We will have a new model introduction soon, so stay tuned for more information."

[Kev m]

Still sounds odd...

[matchless62]

Here is the scoop, we placed our order with Piaggio New York on 4/16. Carra at Mach I just confirmed the bikes are going on the truck today or monday. I should have them here between May 1-5.  ;) Cheers. Rick MGP

[matchless62]

You guys sure the Portland dealer didn't mean they have II V7s coming in.

Seriously, Moto International, MPH, AF1 ... NONE of them have said they are about to get a V7II...? ???

Here is the scoop, we placed our order with Piaggio New York on 4/16. Carra at Mach I just confirmed the bikes are going on the truck today or monday. I should have them here between May 1-5.  I am sure that AF1 will have theirs sooner than we will as they are closer to the warehouse, and MI probably will have theirs in the same time frame as we do. Check them out, sure to be a much improved version of an already awesome machine(using my recently perfected game show announcer voice) Cheers. Rick MGP

[Kev m]

Here is the scoop, we placed our order with Piaggio New York on 4/16. Carra at Mach I just confirmed the bikes are going on the truck today or monday. I should have them here between May 1-5.  I am sure that AF1 will have theirs sooner than we will as they are closer to the warehouse, and MI probably will have theirs in the same time frame as we do. Check them out, sure to be a much improved version of an already awesome machine(using my recently perfected game show announcer voice) Cheers. Rick MGP

 ;-T

[fossil]

Well, here in Germany the V7 II is available for some months now, as I have already written in another thread. Our oldest bike magazine, "Motorrad", (in business since 1903) just made a comparison between V7 Special and V7 II Special ( http://www.motorradonline.de/vergleichstest/moto-guzzi-v7-special-und-moto-guzzi-v7-ii-special-im-vergleichstest/635552 ). The outcome: the new one is more comfortable to sit on. The shifting now is likewise a modern bike. The ABS and antislip is good. Beautiful are both. But: the older one is a tad faster, accelerates a bit better. The rear suspension of the older one is significantly better, perhaps mostly because the seating height is lower at the new one.

Regarding the seating: I also thought the new one is better. But I have outfitted my V7 Stone with the higher Gel Comfort seat now. And this made a huge difference! I don´t think the V7 II is comfýer than the old one for longer.

[JeffOlson]

Here is the scoop, we placed our order with Piaggio New York on 4/16. Carra at Mach I just confirmed the bikes are going on the truck today or monday. I should have them here between May 1-5.  I am sure that AF1 will have theirs sooner than we will as they are closer to the warehouse, and MI probably will have theirs in the same time frame as we do. Check them out, sure to be a much improved version of an already awesome machine(using my recently perfected game show announcer voice) Cheers. Rick MGP

Awesome!

[Kev m]

Well, here in Germany the V7 II is available for some months now, as I have already written in another thread. Our oldest bike magazine, "Motorrad", (in business since 1903) just made a comparison between V7 Special and V7 II Special ( http://www.motorradonline.de/vergleichstest/moto-guzzi-v7-special-und-moto-guzzi-v7-ii-special-im-vergleichstest/635552 ). The outcome: the new one is more comfortable to sit on. The shifting now is likewise a modern bike. The ABS and antislip is good. Beautiful are both. But: the older one is a tad faster, accelerates a bit better. The rear suspension of the older one is significantly better, perhaps mostly because the seating height is lower at the new one.

Regarding the seating: I also thought the new one is better. But I have outfitted my V7 Stone with the higher Gel Comfort seat now. And this made a huge difference! I don´t think the V7 II is comfýer than the old one for longer.

THANKS for sharing that!

 ;-T

[yourfavorite]

Thanks for the article. I read through the rough google translate version.  ;D

Also, another update from the Portland dealer. They are now saying that V7IIs will be arriving on May 5th.

[kirkemon]

Beautiful are both. But: the older one is a tad faster, accelerates a bit better.

I assume the hp is the the same, so this is only because of the difference in the gearing?

[sib]

I assume the hp is the the same, so this is only because of the difference in the gearing?

Nah, newer bikes are always faster.  Maybe because they're cleaner.

[jas67]

Except the article stated the older one was a bit quicker  ???

  Dusty

Because the newer one is heavier due to the ABS pump (I'm being sarcastic, how much can the ABS pump add, 10lbs?).

[Vasco DG]

Dunno about faster but the six speeder felt to me more sprightly, (I've had a flood of V7's and Nevadas in of late so I was able to make a back to back comparison.). Wether it actually is or not I have no idea but it feels it.

Pete

[kevdog3019]

Dunno about faster but the six speeder felt to me more sprightly, (I've had a flood of V7's and Nevadas in of late so I was able to make a back to back comparison.). Wether it actually is or not I have no idea but it feels it.

Pete

I would think the ever so slightly lower gearing would make it feel more "sprightly".  Same with my Lario with the V65 primary.

[kevdog3019]

Well, here in Germany the V7 II is available for some months now, as I have already written in another thread. Our oldest bike magazine, "Motorrad", (in business since 1903) just made a comparison between V7 Special and V7 II Special ( http://www.motorradonline.de/vergleichstest/moto-guzzi-v7-special-und-moto-guzzi-v7-ii-special-im-vergleichstest/635552 ). The outcome: the new one is more comfortable to sit on. The shifting now is likewise a modern bike. The ABS and antislip is good. Beautiful are both. But: the older one is a tad faster, accelerates a bit better. The rear suspension of the older one is significantly better, perhaps mostly because the seating height is lower at the new one.

Regarding the seating: I also thought the new one is better. But I have outfitted my V7 Stone with the higher Gel Comfort seat now. And this made a huge difference! I don´t think the V7 II is comfýer than the old one for longer.

No wonder we keep looking backwards with Guzzi.  ::)   :pop

[AGRO!]

Ive ridden both so just get the VII heaps better gear box...

[Loftness]

Ive ridden both so just get the VII heaps better gear box...

It's a tiny percent difference...