*Dusty broke down* Fuel pump not pumping. Need some suggestions.

[Penderic]

The Mother Goose Co Op On Line Repair Service ....  ;-T

Change the logo and bike for a old Moto Guzzi model for our own forum of course.  ;)

[kevdog3019]

Just a thought here...

" Dusty is wheels up and headed for home and will be severely flogged if he shuts the bike down for any reason before he reaches his driveway "

Perhaps as a fundraiser for the forum we could raffle off the opportunity to severely flog Dusty. It's not my thing, but there's got to be somebody who would pay for the chance.

Can we add others' names to the list?  ;)  ::)  I'm in.  ;-T

[delrod]

Delrod

Thanks for the update.
I'm surprised there's still guzzis running around with 4 pin relays, they cause nothing but trouble.
Shuffling the relays around just made it more confusing, now you had 2 faults.

It will be interesting to hear which wire was broken.

The main thing he's back on the road
And has a tale to tell ;D

Roy it will be interesting to me as well which wire. He described it as being under the headstock. When he is a better place to do so maybe we can get identification and maybe confirm duplication by phsically breaking that connection. Would you concur with my conclusion referencing the loss of regulator reference voltage or was that too big a jump. This illustrates my experience with gremlins in general BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU DISTURB IN AN ATTEMPT TO RECTIFY A SITUATION. Often in my experience this causes multiple issues that complicate the original situation. I often ignore this advice and frequently pay the price.

[delrod]

It'll be interesting to see if he can make it home without stopping to talk to someone😃

John you are a naughty boy...........reali stic but naughty

[kevdog3019]

It'll be interesting to see if he can make it home without stopping to talk to someone😃

This will be a bigger curse than any flogging could accomplish.  His fingers should be fresh for the keyboard however.  ~;

[rodekyll]

Horn & Start = no power on fuse 3, I'll say again ignition switch.

This is the reason I drew the sketch above, it shows where the wires come from / go to

David, what do you mean everything was functioning?


Since there is no Start which is powered from Fuse 3 I suspect the wire from D of the ignition switch is broken or the contact has melted

Jamb a bit of wire in between Fuse 2 & Fuse 3 (with fuse in place) this will backfeed power from the Park circuit terminal A of the switch.

If you remove the start relay jam a bit of wire in the 87 socket then touch the other end on the battery it will crank.

Does Dusty have any means of checking for Voltage e.g. a 12 Volt lamp?

Dusty did not have any tools with him.  No testers.

the horn was working.  He beeped it for me over the phone.   Starter was not working.

We discussed the wires to the injection harness, etc and I gave him hints at what locations were most likely to have damaged/broken a wire.

He should be home by now.

[oldbike54]

 Yes , home about 20 minutes . A few thoughts before taking a shower and a nap .
 First , I am truly grateful to be a part of this group , you guys are the best  ;-T
 Second , remind me to always carry that cheap meter I bought for this purpose  :-[
 Third , how many supposed hard core bikers will sleep on the ground next to their bike because she is having a "moment" Got maybe 30 minutes sleep , broke out the tools again , and stayed at it until she was happy .

 More later about what the issue was , Doug , David , Roy , Chuckie , thanks for being so helpful , and thanks for all of the moral support from everyone , well , except for you Norm  ::) Oh , and thanks Rocker for posting this , and to the offers of rescue , I may be stubborn , but it is great to know that we are never truly stranded  ;-T
  Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Glad you made it home buddy, get 'cha a shower and a little nappy ;)

[rocker59]

Glad you made it home buddy, get 'cha a shower and a little nappy ;)

 :+1

[Kiwi_Roy]

Roy it will be interesting to me as well which wire. He described it as being under the headstock. When he is a better place to do so maybe we can get identification and maybe confirm duplication by phsically breaking that connection. Would you concur with my conclusion referencing the loss of regulator reference voltage or was that too big a jump. This illustrates my experience with gremlins in general BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU DISTURB IN AN ATTEMPT TO RECTIFY A SITUATION. Often in my experience this causes multiple issues that complicate the original situation. I often ignore this advice and frequently pay the price.

Yes, I think you were right on the money however I don't think he had a flat battery it wouldn't crank because fuse 3 had no juice. My guess is the broken wire was from the switch that supplies fuse 3 & 4

[Kiwi_Roy]

Dusty did not have any tools with him.  No testers.

the horn was working.  He beeped it for me over the phone.   Starter was not working.

We discussed the wires to the injection harness, etc and I gave him hints at what locations were most likely to have damaged/broken a wire.

He should be home by now.

His wiring must be a little different, on mine fuse 3 supplies both Horn and Start relays
This should be a lesson to us all, always carry a tester as simple as a light on a couple of wires is all you need a 12 Volt LED is good because it won't break so easy. I am guilty there as well but I will put one in my toolbox tonight.
Throw away all those bloody 4 pin relays

[rodekyll]

I was following along on a wire map while we were chatting about it.  I was finding differences between my map and his wires as were talked.

[Guzzistajohn]

Dusty on the way home ;D

[oldbike54]

Dusty on the way home ;D

 That's actually a good pic of me  :D

  Dusty

[Markcarovilli]

All's well the ends............... .

glad you made it safe.

Mark

[Vasco DG]

So was it the relays?

[rodekyll]

So  far he's mum on that.  I'm betting he disconnected something while troubleshooting a relay and messed up getting it back together, probably because there was an attorney involved (Hagan content   ;D ).

[ohiorider]

Nah!  It was just Dusty applying BMW logic to a Moto Guzzi.  Won't work .... totally incompatible.   :D

Glad you made it home Dusty!

Bob

[O]

A successful outcome!     This is a great group of people.  Kudos to everyone who helped!    :BEER:

 :+1

I love this board.  Dusty, glad you and the bike made it home OK.

[rodekyll]

We all appreciate the opportunity to call someone stuck by the side of the road to laugh at him for being stranded.  It lets them know how much we care.  ;-T

[Guzzistajohn]

Remember the old days when you were just stuck beside the road? Ain't technology great? Thanks algore!

[LaMojo]

So  far he's mum on that.  I'm betting he disconnected something while troubleshooting a relay and messed up getting it back together, probably because there was an attorney involved (Hagan content   ;D ).

Someone may have taken his picture so he is hiding out.

[rodekyll]

Latest is that the wire to pin4 of the ignition switch had been spliced by the PO and let go.  He sorted that out, got the 4/5-pin relay mismatch under control and went on his merry way.

The lesson is that regardless of how far from home you plan to break down, always carry something to test wires with -- test light, multimeter -- something -- and some standard spares and a basic toolkit.  Everyone has room on board for that.

Happy ending here, anyway.   ;-T

[Muzz]

The lesson is that regardless of how far from home you plan to break down, always carry something to test wires with -- test light, multimeter -- something -- and some standard spares and a basic toolkit.  Everyone has room on board for that.

Happy ending here, anyway.   ;-T

The Breva came with quite a comprehensive tool kit.  On top of that I carry a small compressor,  pipe tongs to ensure the sump plug is TIGHT ::), dog turd type tire repair kit, 250ml of oil (small block = small sump) fuses and spare spark plug.  Your mention of the test meter RK is a good one.  I have a smallish digital one,  and after your suggestion and Dusty's wee escapade it will be a permanent feature of my tool kit.

[guzzi4me]

Latest is that the wire to pin4 of the ignition switch had been spliced by the PO and let go.  He sorted that out, got the 4/5-pin relay mismatch under control and went on his merry way.

The lesson is that regardless of how far from home you plan to break down, always carry something to test wires with -- test light, multimeter -- something -- and some standard spares and a basic toolkit.  Everyone has room on board for that.

Happy ending here, anyway.   ;-T

I don't remember splicing into that wire. Not saying I didn't....just don't remember!
Sorry that it caused Dusty problems.

Jeff

[Vince in Milwaukee]

Glad you got it figured out.  Perserverance really does come in handy!   :)

[oldbike54]

I don't remember splicing into that wire. Not saying I didn't....just don't remember!
Sorry that it caused Dusty problems.

Jeff

 Jeff , that would be the PO before you . I still love this bike , and the fact that it started such a great friendship . Besides , even if it was you , I've ridden "OUR" old girl several miles now with very few problems and it still goes like the wind  ;-T Sorry , you can't have her back  ;D
 Yes , it seems as though the ECU and 'lectric petcock were not powering up , will do some more research for future reference . Thanks guys , and yes O , we all love this forum  ;-T

  Dusty

[rodekyll]

I don't remember splicing into that wire. Not saying I didn't....just don't remember!
Sorry that it caused Dusty problems.

Jeff

To be completely accurate, Dusty didn't say it was the PO.  He said it had previously been done.  The word was mine, not his.