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Title: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 25, 2023, 03:38:04 PM
In the “What motorcycle accessory would you rate as a 10” post, n3303j correctly pointed out how a thread can and almost inevitably does, drift away from the original topic.
This forum was conceived by Luap as a “virtual campfire discussion” and as such is a vehicle to comment on or add to, an opinion that was offered. If a person is speaking on a given topic in a gathering, there’ll be a selection in that group that either
1
Listens intently to what’s being said in the hope of learning more…(Beetle, Beard or Meinolf’s posts)

2
Disagree and start an argument..intention ally or otherwise. (Guilty your honour.)

3
Insert something into the conversation in the (possibly mistaken) belief that it better exemplifies the original thrust..(Guilty again.)

4
Intentionally exposes the person espousing their beliefs, who was doing so at the expense of another..(Unashamedly guilty again..)

5
Attempts to elevate their own perceived status within the group by taking the light from the commentator..(Occasionally guilty again.)

The above is to try to highlight how I see thread drift manifests.  If we were all indeed in a group and drift began to occur, we’d either be shut down by some authority (Dan), or commence a conversation with a seemingly interested person in our vicinity, (the drunken uncle at a wedding is one example).
Our tendancy to redirect a conversation in the direction we wish it would go, is strong and some people do it more (or better) than others.

If I tell you all about the advice I gave yesterday, to a new rider regarding the need for him to throw away his (obviously) dangerous open face helmet, have his death trap Shinko tyres taken off and replaced with Michelins, then remove the throttle lock and throw it in the dumpster before it kills him (all of which is true), there’ll be responses.
Why ?
Because I’ve demonstrated that I hold myself up as the one and only font of wisdom and as such will immediately become a target…(which I welcome).
Thread drift is the bottom line that manifests as the result of participants wanting to divert the subject to one where they feel more comfortable, knowlegeable or relevant. If I signed off by saying..
“Let’s see where this goes..”
No one would respond.
So I won’t… :popcorn:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Guzzistajohn on January 25, 2023, 04:02:59 PM
All of which pertain to opinion. We all have them. Doesn't make them right. However, we're all entitled to them including you.

And yes, you could DIE from using a throttle lock if used in the wrong circumstance. Same with riding a motorbike or even my 13 mile commute home today in my F150.

I still say the gadget  the best $10.00 I ever spent on a piece of gear. Just my opinion. And there's not a damn thing wrong with Shinko tires either  :thumb:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 25, 2023, 04:07:15 PM
https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: cliffrod on January 25, 2023, 04:44:34 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzz……

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: kballowe on January 25, 2023, 05:43:58 PM
I was gonna blame this thread on winter weather - but isn't it summer in Australia ?

OK, well, I'll have some of what he's drinking !

 :boozing: :boozing: :boozing: :boozing:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Ncdan on January 25, 2023, 06:06:58 PM
Let’s all go easy on Pete with this one 🤔😉


Dan
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Bulldog9 on January 25, 2023, 06:17:02 PM
I'm sorry I drifted off into sleep while reading your LONG winded ramble  :cool: :evil:

90% of the discussion naturally drifts away and JUST as naturally comes back to the topic at hand. Usually after the initial question has been addressed. It is what naturally happens in freindly conversation. Same with poor behavior. Groups self correct and OPs will jump back in to say 'hey' you didnt answer my question.... A famous singers mother (reportedly named Mary) gave great advice that can be easily applied to this topic........... Can you fill in the blanks?  _ _ _   _ _  _ _.

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: John A on January 25, 2023, 06:57:33 PM
Entertainment   :grin:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 25, 2023, 07:19:06 PM
Absolutely true Huzo!

A very astute observation!

What Luap and Dan are trying to do, is similar to training a dog.  Humans train dogs to prevent the dogs from going into "predatory drift."

Dogs that spend too much time in predatory drift mode, behave in manners that prohibit them from fitting into "human culture."

Thus, "thread drift" is a lot like "predatory drift" but with opposable thumbs and keyboards.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: 80CX100 on January 25, 2023, 07:36:33 PM
Sounds like I missed some sort of boorish Aussie rant,dang nammit,I'll have to pay better attention from now on.  :evil:

I have very little time for over bearing know it alls,but no matter how obtuse someone's comments may appear on the surface;if a caution,warning,recommendation, is made out of concern,in the spirit of possibly saving a fellow rider grief or serious injury;I can tolerate a difference of opinion and a little thread drift. jmo

fwiw ymmv
 :popcorn:

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 25, 2023, 07:40:32 PM
Sounds like I missed some sort of boorish Aussie rant,dang nammit,I'll have to pay better attention from now on.  :evil:
It’s an out there notion I’ll admit, but if you take a deep breath and scroll up the page about 6 or 7 inches depending on screen size, there’s an outside chance that it may still be there if I haven’t upset some wallflower enough to have it nuked…
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Scout63 on January 25, 2023, 08:05:01 PM
Explain again Huzo how this thread is about me and I will jump right in...
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Bulldog9 on January 25, 2023, 08:09:31 PM
How about that Bills/Bengals game last week???? There were snow DRIFTS by the end of the 4th quarter  :evil:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 25, 2023, 09:00:48 PM

I’m interested to see how much drift this post experiences, since it’s title has no particular focus.
I’ll learn as much from the people who don’t comment as from those who do and I’ll bet there’ll be the usual suspects who think…
“I’d love to shoot that guy down, but I know that’s exactly what he wants….” ( anguished hand wringing and refuel back of the neck rubbing…).  :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


Technically, based on the title, this thread could go anywhere, and it would not be drifting.

A virtual perpetual motion thread......
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2023, 03:20:12 AM
All of which pertain to opinion.
Opinions, hmmmm…
Opinions by definition can never be wrong. An opinion is a belief or set of beliefs that YOU hold to be true or factual.
So.
If you truly hold the opinion that something is factual, then as long as that is YOUR belief, then that is your opinion. The fact that you truly hold that opinion means your set of beliefs is the same as the opinion, so your OPINION is correct although the facts may be in opposition. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2023, 03:23:58 AM
Technically, based on the title, this thread could go anywhere, and it would not be drifting.

A virtual perpetual motion thread......
Yes..!
Because you cannot drift off a track that has no definitive direction. Whatever course you take, cannot be deemed “wrong”.
Indeed, if you maintain a rigid course you have deviated from every other possible course, so as long as you are aimlessly drifting…?
You are on track….
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2023, 03:48:46 AM
Explain again Huzo how this thread is about me and I will jump right in...
There are only two names that jump out at me as a master drifters Scout and neither one is yours.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: chuck peterson on January 26, 2023, 04:34:42 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/n6xJhKp/598-B7-AA1-AA8-E-4-FE6-8-F1-F-9-DBF49-EBFE3-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n6xJhKp)
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 26, 2023, 05:50:31 AM
Yes..!
Because you cannot drift off a track that has no definitive direction. Whatever course you take, cannot be deemed “wrong”.
Indeed, if you maintain a rigid course you have deviated from every other possible course, so as long as you are aimlessly drifting…?
You are on track….

"Variety is the spice of life!" has never been truer than since the internet came online.

Websites where everyone agrees die very quickly.

"Difference of opinion is what makes a horse race as they say!"

"Few things are more fun than trying to "fix" other people!!!!" - TM

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 26, 2023, 08:10:14 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/nMWc1Z3/7691-E1-AB-3-F11-415-D-943-D-BD007185-C13-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nMWc1Z3)
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 26, 2023, 08:24:41 AM
https://weather.com/news/weather/video/drone-video-captures-stunning-reverse-waterfall-in-southwest-utah
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 26, 2023, 08:52:18 AM

Huzo,

Personally, I love the bantering and good natured taunting.  Probably because of how I was raised.

If something got to you, the last thing you wanted to do was to let it show.  Brothers, friends, family, co-workers, etc would use that to try to irritate you.  I suspect you knew some of these same types during your formative years.

As Gramma would say "Don't let them get your goat!"  Great advice!

Regarding those who get upset when someone disagrees with them, Blaise Pascal said it as well as anyone:

"We do not content ourselves with the life we have in ourselves and in our own being; we desire to live an imaginary life in the mind of others, and for this purpose we endeavor to shine.  We labor unceasingly to adorn and preserve this imaginary existence and neglect the real.  A great proof of the nothingness of our being, not to be satisfied with the one without the other, and to renounce so often the one for the other!"

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: sdcr on January 26, 2023, 09:27:03 AM
How about that Bills/Bengals game last week???? There were snow DRIFTS by the end of the 4th quarter  :evil:

Looking forward to the Eagles/49’rs this weekend. Two of the youngest quarterbacks shooting it out, both with high talent defenses. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: bad Chad on January 26, 2023, 01:14:59 PM
Huzo, my man,  take a step back.    You're beginning to suffer from "big fish in a small pond" syndrome.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2023, 02:56:40 PM
Huzo, my man,  take a step back.    You're beginning to suffer from "big fish in a small pond" syndrome.
Sorry Chad, you always see things clearly, but I can’t see what you mean.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: bad Chad on January 26, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
Don't fret over it, I'm not sure I really know what I'm trying to say today.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Tom on January 26, 2023, 04:19:17 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/n6xJhKp/598-B7-AA1-AA8-E-4-FE6-8-F1-F-9-DBF49-EBFE3-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n6xJhKp)


You guys know that Ken Block passed???
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2023, 05:09:48 PM
Don't fret over it, I'm not sure I really what I'm trying to say today.
Ok mate, no worries.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Bulldog9 on January 26, 2023, 05:26:19 PM
Opinions, hmmmm…
Opinions by definition can never be wrong. An opinion is a belief or set of beliefs that YOU hold to be true or factual.
So.
If you truly hold the opinion that something is factual, then as long as that is YOUR belief, then that is your opinion. The fact that you truly hold that opinion means your set of beliefs is the same as the opinion, so your OPINION is correct although the facts may be in opposition. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Or as someone recently said "It is more important to me morally right than factually correct"
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: bad Chad on January 26, 2023, 05:33:35 PM
You guys know that Ken Block passed???

How is that relevant here?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: 73 sport on January 26, 2023, 06:02:47 PM
   The title is interesting.The subject is disappointing. I was hoping for something on extreme cornering.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2023, 06:20:26 PM
How is that relevant here?
Everything is relevant in a thread about thread drift.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2023, 06:24:34 PM
   The title is interesting.The subject is disappointing. I was hoping for something on extreme cornering.
Well mate don’t hope, start one.
As that great philosopher Ozzie Osborne once said…
“Take a far in dump in one hand and hope in the other, then see which one fills up first…”
But while I have you here…
This thread is to investigate the mechanics of thread drift, so to that end, what would you like to know about extreme cornering ?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Tom on January 26, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
Everything is relevant in a thread about thread drift.

 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 26, 2023, 06:36:23 PM
How is that relevant here?

Relevant is subjective, sometimes relative, but never objective.   :wink:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: 73 sport on January 26, 2023, 06:37:08 PM
    Been there, done that six decades ago. I was expecting a younger persons experience on contemporary rubber and suspensions.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 26, 2023, 06:38:30 PM

This could be the greatest thread of all time to tap into the awesome brain trust/think tank that is Wild Guzzi without getting limited by topic, accuracy, or facts!

Could be a wild ride.

Saddle up!
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: John A on January 26, 2023, 09:02:17 PM
Well, it’s time to drag special relativity into this. Think about possible futures for a moment. If you are standing still, your possible futures are all around you, 360 degrees. Take a step and your possible future is influenced to be in that direction. As you go faster, your possible future becomes increasingly limited to that direction. As you approach the speed of light, deviation from that line become almost impossible and we get the curiosity of thread drift.
Winter gets long in the frozen hemisphere.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: 73 sport on January 26, 2023, 09:26:03 PM
   John A. Either your post is extremely philosophically deep and I don't understand a word or the cold up there has congealed your gray matter. When I think of "drift" I think of high speed cornering or ocean currents. The word "drift" in these postings is used as a substitute for "getting off subject".
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 26, 2023, 11:59:45 PM
Well, it’s time to drag special relativity into this. Think about possible futures for a moment. If you are standing still, your possible futures are all around you, 360 degrees. Take a step and your possible future is influenced to be in that direction. As you go faster, your possible future becomes increasingly limited to that direction. As you approach the speed of light, deviation from that line become almost impossible and we get the curiosity of thread drift.
Winter gets long in the frozen hemisphere.
Yes.
I have long thought this is also true when on the bike. At very low speeds, you can be hit by many things that appear from the side..(Deer, rabbits, kangaroos, vehicles etc…)
But as you go faster, the chance of hitting something from the side becomes less, because anything that darts out from the side will not intersect your position before you have passed. It’s kind of like a triangle in front of you in the horizontal plane, with the apex at your front wheel and the base in the distance.
Your future lies in this triangle.
As you speed up, the base gets further away it also gets shorter, until at extreme speeds almost nothing can get you unless it’s virtually dead ahead.
It will end up being a straight line of diminishing width at the extreme.
Imagine moving down the road at 1000 km/h. It becomes almost impossible to be hit from the side, but equally impossible to miss anything that is on a collision course.
When you look at the road as you accelerate, this can be seen as the edges begin to blur at the point of expansion.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: vintagehoarder on January 27, 2023, 07:26:03 AM
https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ

Haa thanks for sharing reminds me of Facebook.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 27, 2023, 07:41:34 AM
   John A. Either your post is extremely philosophically deep and I don't understand a word or the cold up there has congealed your gray matter. When I think of "drift" I think of high speed cornering or ocean currents. The word "drift" in these postings is used as a substitute for "getting off subject".
”Drift” is a motion experienced when the subject of that drift is being carried in the same direction as and with the same velocity, as the supporting medium.
In an aeroplane it’s the moving atmosphere (wind).
In a boat it’s the moving water mass (current)
Here at WG it’s the tide of popular or dominant mainstream opinion.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: cliffrod on January 27, 2023, 07:51:51 AM
Well, it’s time to drag special relativity into this. Think about possible futures for a moment. If you are standing still, your possible futures are all around you, 360 degrees. Take a step and your possible future is influenced to be in that direction. As you go faster, your possible future becomes increasingly limited to that direction. As you approach the speed of light, deviation from that line become almost impossible and we get the curiosity of thread drift.
Winter gets long in the frozen hemisphere.

Yes.
I have long thought this is also true when on the bike. At very low speeds, you can be hit by many things that appear from the side..(Deer, rabbits, kangaroos, vehicles etc…)
But as you go faster, the chance of hitting something from the side becomes less, because anything that darts out from the side will not intersect your position before you have passed. It’s kind of like a triangle in front of you in the horizontal plane, with the apex at your front wheel and the base in the distance.
Your future lies in this triangle.
As you speed up, the base gets further away it also gets shorter, until at extreme speeds almost nothing can get you unless it’s virtually dead ahead.
It will end up being a straight line of diminishing width at the extreme.
Imagine moving down the road at 1000 km/h. It becomes almost impossible to be hit from the side, but equally impossible to miss anything that is on a collision course.
When you look at the road as you accelerate, this can be seen as the edges begin to blur at the point of expansion.

See, if more people spent their living carving stone like me, things like this ^^^ wouldn’t seem so heady or esoteric.  It would just be the normal thing you do, day in day out.  In order to reach the proper point of the proper triangle, You always think about it because you always have to address it, deliberately and without mistake.

When you do it in the frozen world of VT in deep winter, you perceive ever more deeply.  Doing a big stone, when the whole world is frozen just as solid… very cool.  No pun intended.

It’s much more laid back out here in the real world.  Winter mud isn’t quite as inspirational.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: bad Chad on January 27, 2023, 08:21:20 AM
Who is Ken Block?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: sdcr on January 27, 2023, 09:04:04 AM
Who is Ken Block?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrqYohBV58o
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: John Croucher on January 27, 2023, 09:51:42 AM
20 years ago when I first found a Guzzi in boxes, I started the search for resources.  Finding that there was a MGNOC, a blog called WildGuzzi and Guzziology. 

I start reading post and find that these Guzzi Owners like eating, drinking, smoking, riding, fixing, arguing, camping and prefer corn oil in their rear end.  I was kinda reluctant to tag along with such a strange group of motorcycle enthusiast. The topic of camping and corn oil kept coming to the top on WildGuzzi.  I was invited to the Kentucky Rally camp out.  Showing up on the bike in the box, I did not know what to expect.  Setting my tent up far from the other campers in hopes that some cigar smoking Guzzista did not stumble to my tent with a bottle of corn oil. 

It was a slow progression into the Guzzi addiction.  Reaching the point that I decide to build my own Guzzi based on what I felt like is the best fit and style for me and the best of Guzzi parts.  I filtered 5 Guzzi's through the Man Cave since the first. 



In the end, it turned out to be a great week end and opportunity to meet many very good people. 


(https://i.ibb.co/vJMWzRd/20150317-004114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vJMWzRd)



(https://i.ibb.co/jkXccsL/Moto-Guzzi-Black-Orange.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jkXccsL)
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 27, 2023, 12:16:55 PM
Who is Ken Block?

Who is John Galt?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: bad Chad on January 27, 2023, 12:24:53 PM
Where's Waldo?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: John A on January 27, 2023, 12:38:06 PM
   John A. Either your post is extremely philosophically deep and I don't understand a word or the cold up there has congealed your gray matter. When I think of "drift" I think of high speed cornering or ocean currents. The word "drift" in these postings is used as a substitute for "getting off subject".





It’s the congealment, I assure you  :grin:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 29, 2023, 08:48:03 AM
The Jay Leno thread was a typical example of drift.

It went from Jay getting clotheslined, to tales of posters getting clotheslined, to poster's opinions of the opinions posted previously by other posters at the drop of a hat!!!

A wonderful thing IMO, as long as none of us takes our own BS or perspectives tooooooo seriously.

I can't even remember 10% of the stories of me or my riding buddies falling off our motorcycles until I get together with riding buddies and we start BSing......

As long as no one gets killed, and the victim gets back on the "horse," the stories always turn humorous with time.  I suspect seeing the humor in a "tragedy" one's peers survives is a tribal cultural bonding ritual.  Maybe even keyed to survival of the fittest or honoring the bravest among us.

Is this a male character defect or a character defect of motorcyclists, aka "risk takers?"
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 29, 2023, 10:13:10 AM


The secret to life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9FJiDFVoOo

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: LowRyter on January 29, 2023, 11:04:58 AM
What's wrong with Shinko tires and a throttle lock?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Jorg66 on January 29, 2023, 11:10:04 AM
 :wink: :rolleyes: :whip2: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 29, 2023, 02:23:45 PM
What's wrong with Shinko tires and a throttle lock?
Nothing.
As long as you don’t put them on your bike.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: sdcr on January 29, 2023, 05:42:57 PM
Nothing.
As long as you don’t put them on your bike.

Could you be more specific, as to your negativity towards the Shinko brand?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Enzo Toma on January 29, 2023, 07:34:54 PM
I'm curious about the Shinko negativity as well. They make so many tires of various quality and intended use that it's interesting that there's negativity toward the brand rather than a specific tire model. Some of their lineup even consists of designs/molds purchased off other brands.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 29, 2023, 07:55:36 PM
Could you be more specific, as to your negativity towards the Shinko brand?
Probably not, because I will be accused of bias against them due to their country of origin.
I cannot say that this is untrue, I may very well hold some reservations due to that alone, but it is not a function of the populous, more of deep seated prejudices against tyres that are not European or British.
Although having seen some of the reports on their poor(er) longevity, I’d like to think my disdain for them is based on something more centred around that.
Something I am sure of, is when I’m coming down a mountain road in the rain with leaves on the ground and am about to tip into a corner, only to realise that I have messed it up and am committed….
If the last thing I think of is not MICHELIN…MICHELIN…MICHELIN
But.
SHINKO…SHINKO…SHINKO
Then my lack of faith will cause ME to make an error for fear of losing control and I’ll probably crash anyway…
That would not be the fault of the tyre, but mine alone.
However.
I know that I just “feel” better on Michelins and I’ve never gotten less than 18,000 km and on one occasion 22,000 km from Pilot #3’s #4’s #5’s and #6’s.
I just cannot think of a reason to change.

Oh….and throttle locks ?
We all say that we only use them on long straight stretches where everything is safe and you can see over the curve of the Earth….blah blah blah…
But ONE DAY..!
You’re going to have the motherless thing clamped on, having had to disconnect it already 50 times and you’ll approach a nice…sweeping…right hand bend… :popcorn:
You feel the need to release it just to have command of the throttle, but you can see everything that matters and all is ok..
You’re almost home… :rolleyes:
Then half way ‘round the bend out from the right comes Old Mate on his John Deere and you’ve to INSTANTLY…! Get off the gas..
You WILL NOT release it quickly enough and if you’re lucky, (very lucky)…You might get the clutch in and wobble past him on the (for you in US) left, wildly off line and run off or have a head on with an approaching car.
We all know the time interval between a nicely judged entry into a corner and a complete train wreck.
Some part of a second…!
Farting around with an abomination like that…?
No thanks.
Plus they look like some aid from a nursing home.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Bulldog9 on January 29, 2023, 08:03:59 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/kJ3SHfr/IMG-20230109-191832330.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kJ3SHfr)
I always drift off after 2 of these
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Bulldog9 on January 29, 2023, 08:09:42 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/kJ3SHfr/IMG-20230109-191832330.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kJ3SHfr)
I always drift off after 2 of these

I'm a beer, bourbon, oil, and tire snob..... Only set of Shinkos are the 705s on The Stornello. They are good for the price... Otherwise it is Dunlop Contis Michelin and Sometimes Metzler.... I do like Falkens on my four wheeled vehicles, but no Kendas or other no namers
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: stubbie on January 29, 2023, 08:17:05 PM
So the new V100 should be in Australia soon. :thumb:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 29, 2023, 08:18:43 PM
So the new V100 should be in Australia soon. :thumb:
If I come across and shout you a dim sim and a stubby….
Can I have a little ride ? :kiss:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Enzo Toma on January 29, 2023, 08:51:10 PM
I don't know of any good tire for wet leaves. Shinko make trials tires where the softness is an advantage, they're a common pick over the Dunlop and Michelin tires for use on slick rocky terrain by riders who don't have an affiliation with or sponsorship from Dunlop or Michelin. Not very relevant to Guzzi riding though.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 29, 2023, 09:03:49 PM
I don't know of any good tire for wet leaves. Shinko make trials tires where the softness is an advantage, they're a common pick over the Dunlop and Michelin tires for use on slick rocky terrain by riders who don't have an affiliation with or sponsorship from Dunlop or Michelin. Not very relevant to Guzzi riding though.
Yes.
All I want to convey is, Michelin make me feel safe, that doesn’t make them a better tyre.
But I’m just too old and set in my ways to entertain a replacement.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Bull Tahr on January 29, 2023, 09:33:16 PM
20 years ago when I first found a Guzzi in boxes, I started the search for resources.  Finding that there was a MGNOC, a blog called WildGuzzi and Guzziology. 

I start reading post and find that these Guzzi Owners like eating, drinking, smoking, riding, fixing, arguing, camping and prefer corn oil in their rear end.  I was kinda reluctant to tag along with such a strange group of motorcycle enthusiast. The topic of camping and corn oil kept coming to the top on WildGuzzi.  I was invited to the Kentucky Rally camp out.  Showing up on the bike in the box, I did not know what to expect.  Setting my tent up far from the other campers in hopes that some cigar smoking Guzzista did not stumble to my tent with a bottle of corn oil. 

It was a slow progression into the Guzzi addiction.  Reaching the point that I decide to build my own Guzzi based on what I felt like is the best fit and style for me and the best of Guzzi parts.  I filtered 5 Guzzi's through the Man Cave since the first. 



In the end, it turned out to be a great week end and opportunity to meet many very good people. 


(https://i.ibb.co/vJMWzRd/20150317-004114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vJMWzRd)



(https://i.ibb.co/jkXccsL/Moto-Guzzi-Black-Orange.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jkXccsL)

               
The first rule of WG is not to mention the "corn oil"................... :whip2:                                      :cool:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 30, 2023, 05:38:41 AM
Yes.
All I want to convey is, Michelin make me feel safe, that doesn’t make them a better tyre.
But I’m just too old and set in my ways to entertain a replacement.

I think those are the most honest types of answers.  Especially with many of the forbidden topics.

"This is how I think, cause that's how I choose to see it, and that's how I choose to think about it!"
Nothing more needs to be said.
Once you give an honest reply, what is left to say?

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on January 30, 2023, 08:08:29 AM
Did somebody mention corn oil?

Make sure you lubed up, fil your rear end with corn oil and get down to it!

Remember, the ride is the best part!

Before today, I never thought about why this website is called Wild Goose Chase.

Suddenly, it's all very clear...........   :kiss:

IMO, the conversation around the campfire, isn't the activity that is concerning....
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Ncdan on January 30, 2023, 09:36:22 AM
Gentlemen:
We all realize these opened ended threads can go in many directions.
I realize it’s been a long boring winter and threads like this can pass time as well and offer some boredom relieving entertainment.
This beings acknowledged, let’s try to keep the subject matter constructive and related to conversations that can enhance our great hobby of motorcycling.
Carry on👍

Dan
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on January 30, 2023, 09:00:02 PM
Touche’ good Sir….. :bow: :thumb:
Just on the topic of enjoyment, rumour has it that your lovely wife Lisa is celebrating her birthday.
I could pass on my congratulations, but I think that great philosopher Michael Jackson could do it better. https://youtu.be/RLuyHWP_wnM
He has (almost) perfectly exemplified what we would all like to say….. :kiss: :thumb:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 05, 2023, 02:50:30 PM
While we’re not on the topic.
Do you know what I hate ? My top ten…
#10
I hate it when someone wants to acknowledge another persons efforts and in heaping praise on them says something like..
“Our new moderator’s level of success in cleaning up the board, cannot be underestimated…” !  :whip2:
(Should be overestimated)

#9
“Black wheels or polished make no difference to me…
I could care less…”  :angry:
(Should be I couldn’t care less)

#8
I prefer the Kawi to my last bike….
(The name is Kawa…saki, not Kawi…saki)

#7
People who cannot complete ONE sentence without including the word “like”.
“He’s like come flying ‘round the corner and like gone over like the grass and I’m like he’s gunna’ crash…!”

#6
The use of the phrase…”It’s GOT a lot of power”
Power is a numerical value assigned to the rate at which WORK is done, it’s a number.

#5
“I could feel the speed..”
(You can’t “feel” speed, only acceleration)

#4
“I was thrown forward by the acceleration”…!

#3
“I saw a good video on countersteering, I’m gunna’ do that from now on…”   :evil:

#2
“Yeah of course I know what shape a Parabola is…
It’s half an ellipse…” :grin:

#1
“Yeah, that’s my bike over there, it’s the one I just got off of…”.  :thewife:

I was going to do more, but I’m running the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon…. :popcorn:

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 05, 2023, 03:45:34 PM
And..
I STILL CANNOT UNDERSTAND why a pilot’s head jerks forward upon release from the catapult in a carrier launch.
Sure, he’s accelerating while on the hook, but immediately upon release he is at constant velocity.
The scene in Apollo 13 during staging, is Hollywood BS…(But I LOVE the movie).
To be thrown forward in your straps, the vehicle has to be decelerating with the pilot at constant velocity.
If it’s the pilot holding forward pressure on his neck which is seen when the acceleration ceases, then I can understand that, but it’s the only mechanical explanation I can come up with… :popcorn:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: kirby1923 on February 05, 2023, 04:19:08 PM
I know better than to comment...

but


On a cat shot, your straps will hold the body tightly in the sear.
cause you lock the harness.

Your head is free to move forward(not locked by any restraint except to the rear...seat back ..you don't quit accelerating, but you lose the extra acceleration that the cat gives and are now accelerating at a SLOWER pace (engine power only), and inertia takes over.

:-)?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 05, 2023, 04:36:11 PM
I know better than to comment...

but


On a cat shot, your straps will hold the body tightly in the sear.
cause you lock the harness.

Your head is free to move forward(not locked by any restraint except to the rear...seat back ..you don't quit accelerating, but you lose the extra acceleration that the cat gives and are now accelerating at a SLOWER pace (engine power only), and inertia takes over.

:-)?
Ok I know that you know what you’re on about.
So.
If your head moves FORWARD inside the cockpit upon release from the cat, why does the mass of your head not experience the same accelerations as the craft ? Clearly you are experiencing acceleration the whole time ?
I could accept that you won’t have your head slammed as hard into the headrest after release, but surely still to some degree.
For the headrest to move rearward relative to your head, what force is at play on your head to achieve this.
Do you discount my speculation Kirby, that the pilot is holding forward pressure on his head to mitigate the degree of compression into the headrest and that muscular effort takes over momentarily upon release.
I notice that not all pilots show this effect to the same magnitude.
Certainly the jet is accelerating the body during launch, but upon release the head (temporarily) accelerates away from the headrest.
Is the jet momentarily slowing in airspeed, or the head is thrust forward by the effort of the pilot ?

Put succinctly, upon release, what is accelerating your head at a greater rate (briefly), than than the headrest ?

Either way, the Apollo footage where they are slammed forward in their straps before the next stage fires, is seemingly BS.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 05, 2023, 04:45:45 PM
now accelerating at a SLOWER pace (engine power only)
Yes, but the jet is NEVER decelerating at any point ?
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: kirby1923 on February 05, 2023, 05:05:24 PM
Never...

Acceleration provided by the cat + engine in mil power (T/O) is X fps (or meters to you folks down under).

Acceleration decreases when you are disengaged from the cat, and on engine power alone the FPS drops off.  So unless you hold your head pushed against the seat back, the change in the rate of acceleration is  quite a bit and can cause your head (unrestrained) to move.

Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 05, 2023, 05:59:59 PM
Never...

Acceleration provided by the cat + engine in mil power (T/O) is X fps (or meters to you folks down under).

Acceleration decreases when you are disengaged from the cat, and on engine power alone the FPS drops off.  So unless you hold your head pushed against the seat back, the change in the rate of acceleration is  quite a bit and can cause your head (unrestrained) to move.
Ok, I’ll have to leave it there unless I’m invited to go on.
I understand the Physics of what you are saying, but to be honest if I go on it will not work out.
Thanks Kirb.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on February 05, 2023, 06:02:06 PM


..... I was going to do more, but I’m running the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon…. :popcorn:

I'm not aware of any instances when Wild Guzzi posters would, like, jump to a conclusion like that!  Especially with someone like you!
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: kirby1923 on February 05, 2023, 06:28:33 PM
I'm not aware of any instances when Wild Guzzi posters would, like, jump to a conclusion like that!  Especially with someone like you!

10/4

You have to understand that the movie's standard procedure is to uh..makes things a bit more dramatic.

I have quite a few "shots" under my belt.


:-)
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: SIR REAL ED on February 05, 2023, 07:40:21 PM
10/4

You have to understand that the movie's standard procedure is to uh..makes things a bit more dramatic.

I have quite a few "shots" under my belt.


:-)

Nothing wrong with dishing it out, as long as you realize that you will also have to take it!

It's the only fair way to be!
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 05, 2023, 11:53:02 PM
I'm not aware of any instances when Wild Guzzi posters would, like, jump to a conclusion like that!  Especially with someone like you!
Like thanks SRE… :kiss:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 06, 2023, 12:13:14 AM
I just thought in my basic way, that if your head moves forward away from then headrest without any input from you, then from the INSTANT the cat releases and the pilots head is MOVING forward, then the head has more VELOCITY than the headrest (jet).
Ok, only for a moment.
But WHERE does the head get that greater VELOCITY (relative to the headrest).
Either the jet has slowed down (not likely) or the head has speeded up.
Now the jet is ALWAYS under cat + thrust, or thrust alone.
So we can deduce that a REDUCTION OF ACCELERATION has certainly occurred, but without input from the pilot, there would seem to be no force that would produce an acceleration in either direction to displace the pilot’s head forward.
Now the phrase “ inertia takes over” is where I become hazy. Because last time I spoke to Isaac Newton, he told me that in the ABSENCE of an external force, the mass will continue at the SAME VELOCITY in the same direction and the relatively meagre acc’n provided by the engines is still acting to keep the pilot’s head pinned back.
Yet.
Our hero’s head is actually moving forward, ahead of the (still accelerating) jet.
And yes Kirb, we are all aware of who you are and what you’ve done. That is why I’m glad you weighed in, even though you “knew better…” 
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: tazio on February 06, 2023, 03:30:39 AM
In the spirit of this post, and glancing back over a myriad of past posts, I've observed that you eat an incredible amount of popcorn Huzo. :food: :thumb:
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: kirby1923 on February 06, 2023, 07:55:37 AM



The cat can sling an aircraft off the deck at near-flying speed with the engines shut down.

 

I have seen 16mm film of a "cold "cat shot where an F 8 had an engine shut down about 1/3 of the way down the stroke, and it was almost at flying speed when it left the deck.

 

The pilot ejected and was unhurt, but the aircraft went in the drink far enough ahead that the boat was able to not run over the A/C.

 

Now think of the "G" forces when the shot in initiated...a bunch, and most of us liked to keep our head upright which means you resist the rearward "G" provided by the cat  thrust pushing you back (including the head).

 

Naturally with the sudden loss of the thrust provided by the cat w/ the pilot trying to keep his head/eyes level will sometimes cause your head to dip a bit.

 

Movie magic made it more dramatic.

 

The end...

 
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 06, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
Now think of the "G" forces when the shot in initiated...a bunch, and most of us liked to keep our head upright which means you resist the rearward "G" provided by the cat  thrust pushing you back (including the head).

 Naturally with the sudden loss of the thrust provided by the cat w/ the pilot trying to keep his head/eyes level will sometimes cause your head to dip a bit.
Now THAT was always the only reason I could see.
Any other explanation had more holes than Swiss cheese.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 06, 2023, 09:53:27 AM
the pilot is holding forward pressure on his head to mitigate the degree of compression into the headrest and that muscular effort takes over momentarily upon release.

Is the jet momentarily slowing in airspeed, or the head is thrust forward by the effort of the pilot ?


That’s what this bit meant.

The other end…
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: Huzo on February 06, 2023, 09:59:17 AM
. A famous singers mother (reportedly named Mary) gave great advice that can be easily applied to this topic........... Can you fill in the blanks?  _ _ _   _ _  _ _.
I sure as hell can’t.
Title: Re: Drifting off…
Post by: tazio on February 07, 2023, 04:59:22 AM
Never Saddle a Dead Horse...