Horrible bike accident in NH.

[Kent in Upstate NY]

http://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article/us?guid=20190622/ec48b00c-d6a2-426c-9aa4-bfbd35491fdb

[John A]

I read a news article that said the truck was in the wrong lane.

[Shorty]

Photos show burning truck on the left berm:  https://www.wmur.com/article/serious-crash-involving-motorcycles-pickup-shuts-down-route-2-in-randolph/28143655

[twowheeladdict]

Sad.  Rest in Peace to those who did not survive.  Full healing to those who did.  Cherished memories for those left behind.  No bad dreams for those who witnessed the carnage. 

[sib]

I read a news article that said the truck was in the wrong lane.

Please cite or give us a link to the article.  Unattributed "...I read somewhere..." posts is how false rumors get started.  I'm as interested as you are to know what happened, but I not via fake news.

[JC85]

^^^ Seconded. Every article I have read, so far, has said that the cause was under investigation, and no details had been released, yet.

[CharlieW]

Still not much info, Nothing about Driver
 Here is a link
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-hampshire-motorcycle-crash-pickup-truck-several-dead-2019-06-22/

[TOMB]

I've been across that section of Route 2 in New Hampshire many times during the week of Laconia , that road if I remember is I think it's 50 miles an hour and most places pretty smooth road that I can remember ,usually clear site so we'll just have to wait to see what what turns up from the investigati,on I do feel sorry for all those people that passed away I'm sure that Unfortunately they died doing what they enjoyed best , and to their families  enjoy the memories, the initial ones will be painful but the best ones you'll remember forever  .
TOMB

[Shorty]

They released some info (updates on the link I provided). The riders were Jarheads MC, US Marine vets, and possible friends. The truck was commercially driven. More info to come.

[Siamese]

Damn shame.  Guess I already gave my opinion about group riding in a previous thread. 

[roadscum]

They released some info (updates on the link I provided). The riders were Jarheads MC, US Marine vets, and possible friends. The truck was commercially driven. More info to come.

Such a tragic event, so sad.

I'm curious to see if those "Jarheads MC, US Marine vets, and possible friends" were wearing safe and certified helmets.

Paul

[John A]

Please cite or give us a link to the article.  Unattributed "...I read somewhere..." posts is how false rumors get started.  I'm as interested as you are to know what happened, but I not via fake news.

Apologies, the reason I didn't link it was I couldn't with the sad state of computer system when I'm out in the shop.  I had read it up at the house and felt compelled to repeat what I read,  thinking one of my esteemed colleagues would have that link.  Ill hopefull find it later

[Yeahoo Whoyah]

Tragic, senseless.  I wonder if the 23-year old truck driver drifted wide because he was distracted by his mobile phone? 

[Rebochi]

    My son had a similar accident while towing an unloaded equipment trailer with a Suburban. It was determined that the trailer toung weight was too low for the weight of the truck . He was unable to steer and wound up in a ditch. No injuries and a totaled truck. Some of the pictures from the accident in New Hampshire show a huge trailer attached to the wrecked truck.

[CharlieW]

 A bit more info from local TV
  https://www.wmur.com/article/serious-crash-involving-motorcycles-pickup-shuts-down-route-2-in-randolph/28143655

[twowheeladdict]

Such a tragic event, so sad.

I'm curious to see if those "Jarheads MC, US Marine vets, and possible friends" were wearing safe and certified helmets.

Paul

Yah, like that would have made a difference in this type of wreck.  I read witnesses were applying tourniquets.  Helmets are good for about 30 mph.  Beyond that they don't do much.  Fortunately, as long as you don't hit a wall or head on into a truck the impact velocity vector is a lot lower than 30 mph.

[TodkaVonic]

Whether they would've helped or not, I bet that every one of those riders, if they had enough time before impact to have a thought at all, wished that they were helmeted.

[twowheeladdict]

Whether they would've helped or not, I bet that every one of those riders, if they had enough time before impact to have a thought at all, wished that they were helmeted.

Do you really think you know what US Marines were thinking in that moment?  Wow!  OK then. 

[TodkaVonic]

Do you really think you know what US Marines were thinking in that moment?  Wow!  OK then.

1) I think it's odd that you needed to include that they were Marines, like they have entirely unique Marine-only thoughts before death. Oh well.

2) I've been a trauma surgeon for about a dozen years. I've taken care of hundreds upon hundreds of motorcycle crash patients. Including Marines. Not surprisingly, a consistent theme among the helmeted is "boy am I glad I was wearing my helmet." Even if there's pernament disability, it's abundantly clear that helmet use helped ameliorate the damage.  A common theme among the unhelemeted, if they survive, is "I'll always wear a helmet" or, more commonly, a wife with a scowl saying "he'll always wear a helmet." Or "he's selling the bike." I've yet to meet the person who said, "well, since helmets don't make much difference over 30mph and since I was riding at highway speeds, I figured wearing a helment wouldn't matter in a crash and wow-howdy was I right! Didn't make a lick of difference!" No, haven't met that guy yet. But hey, maybe you're him huh?

3) Of course, my experience is after the fact with survivors and so you're technically correct (and I can't believe that I feel like I need to say this)...I'm incapable of knowing what other people are thinking. So with this limitation in mind, I took my own professional experience and also my own riding experience and then formed a therory that makes intuitive sense.

4) I'm interested to know where your 30mph claim derives. Do you have a link? No snark, I'm always interested in learning.

Nate

[yogidozer]

The truck driver, although only 23, has a pretty long list of arrests.
He's lived in Ct. as well as Mass.
Not only theft/burglery, he currently has a chrge of 14-227a
ILL OPN MV UNDER INFL ALC/DRUG
and that was on 5/11/19.
Dusty might delete this, but given his history, I'm betting he is responsable.

[John A]

Please cite or give us a link to the article.  Unattributed "...I read somewhere..." posts is how false rumors get started.  I'm as interested as you are to know what happened, but I not via fake news.

Nope cannot find it. I almost had it but the New York post loaded itself instead and now the history does not show it. The New York post must have some program that does what it wants on this ancient iPad .  Wait until more is known is my advice, the first reports are generally inaccurate

[PJPR01]

Front page of CNN.com

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/06/22/us/new-hampshire-accident-motorcyclists-pickup-truck/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

[rschrum]

Well said Doc!

[twowheeladdict]

1) I think it's odd that you needed to include that they were Marines, like they have entirely unique Marine-only thoughts before death. Oh well.

2) I've been a trauma surgeon for about a dozen years. I've taken care of hundreds upon hundreds of motorcycle crash patients. Including Marines. Not surprisingly, a consistent theme among the helmeted is "boy am I glad I was wearing my helmet." Even if there's pernament disability, it's abundantly clear that helmet use helped ameliorate the damage.  A common theme among the unhelemeted, if they survive, is "I'll always wear a helmet" or, more commonly, a wife with a scowl saying "he'll always wear a helmet." Or "he's selling the bike." I've yet to meet the person who said, "well, since helmets don't make much difference over 30mph and since I was riding at highway speeds, I figured wearing a helment wouldn't matter in a crash and wow-howdy was I right! Didn't make a lick of difference!" No, haven't met that guy yet. But hey, maybe you're him huh?

3) Of course, my experience is after the fact with survivors and so you're technically correct (and I can't believe that I feel like I need to say this)...I'm incapable of knowing what other people are thinking. So with this limitation in mind, I took my own professional experience and also my own riding experience and then formed a therory that makes intuitive sense.

4) I'm interested to know where your 30mph claim derives. Do you have a link? No snark, I'm always interested in learning.

Nate

Your head is 5 feet above the pavement.  You are travelling at 30 mph and lowside while trying to avoid a wreck.  What is the velocity of your helmet toward the pavement?  You are travelling at 70 mph and lowside while trying to avoid a wreck.  What is the velocity of your helmet toward the pavement?  :)

[Gnirwin]

Had this discussion a few weeks back with an emergency room RN. She says most the times a biker goes down who is wearing full gear usually just patching him up. No gear usually very severe or death.

[Matt Story]

All else being equal, I don't think the velocity of your head toward the pavement would be different when low siding at 30 or 70.  You're still falling over 5 feet.  The ground is moving by faster, but it is parallel to your primary vector.  You would need more abrasion protection at the higher speed which would justify having the helmet on.

[TodkaVonic]

All else being equal, I don't think the velocity of your head toward the pavement would be different when low siding at 30 or 70.  You're still falling over 5 feet.  The ground is moving by faster, but it is parallel to your primary vector.  You would need more abrasion protection at the higher speed which would justify having the helmet on.

Exactly. And for whatever you hit during the slide. And then there's the impact angle and how that is effected by speed and ejection status. There's a whole lotta variables and they're all more favorable with a lid on. And I get it: going 80 into a truck will result in a smear. As my grandmother used to say, "they'll clean you up with a loaf of bread." Like EMS has a chunk of rye on a pole or something for just such a situation. Anyhow, clearly a helmet won't save you in certain circumstances, agreed, but to say after 30mph it doesn't matter much? I'm not buying it.

[redrider90]

I low sided at 45 MPH hitting gravel in a curve. The first thing I said to myself when my head hit the pavement was well my head was OK. But my neck took 6 weeks to heel from whiplash and luckily my bracial plexus in the shoulder was intact. My heavy leather jacket held up well.  The BP is where all your nerves run through to the should and arm. At 70 MPH it my have broken my neck and or injured my BP when my shoulder hit the pavement. I went down fast and at a higher speed laws of physics increase the forces.

[Rough Edge racing]

 I don't belive it's been mentioned... Looks like Harley baggers? And generally ,not always, they are in a close formation often two abreast..No where to go when the shit the fan...I'm not implying the riders' were at fault, just saying...This accident really sucks ...

[twowheeladdict]

Exactly. And for whatever you hit during the slide. And then there's the impact angle and how that is effected by speed and ejection status. There's a whole lotta variables and they're all more favorable with a lid on. And I get it: going 80 into a truck will result in a smear. As my grandmother used to say, "they'll clean you up with a loaf of bread." Like EMS has a chunk of rye on a pole or something for just such a situation. Anyhow, clearly a helmet won't save you in certain circumstances, agreed, but to say after 30mph it doesn't matter much? I'm not buying it.

I'm not saying "Riding faster than 30 mph."  I'm saying "Impact faster than 30 mph."