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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2019, 07:13:29 AM »


Horrible tragedy.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2019, 07:39:14 AM »
Please cite or give us a link to the article.  Unattributed "...I read somewhere..." posts is how false rumors get started.  I'm as interested as you are to know what happened, but I not via fake news.

Here's a quote from a news story in this morning's online New York Times:

The motorcyclists were riding east on Route 2 in Randolph, N.H., about 100 miles northeast of Concord, when the pickup truck, a 2016 Dodge 2500, swerved over the yellow line and “jackknifed” into the motorcyclists’ lane around 6:30 p.m., said Jerry Hamanne, the owner of the Inn at Bowman Bed and Breakfast. The inn, where several of the motorcyclists were staying, was about 1,000 yards from the scene of the crash, he said.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2019, 09:30:16 AM »
I no longer own a Guzzi, but for some reason, I enjoy reading this board daily.  I guess I have always been impressed with the community, the willingness to help strangers whose only bond is the enjoyment of a common motorcycle brand.  It's nice to see that community at work in such divisive times.  With that in mind, I can not understand how this thread grew to blame the victims based on what gear they may or may not have been wearing based upon their brand, Harley.  If the driver of the Ram 2500 and 20-foot trailer had pulled out a gun, or thrown an explosive device at the riders, would we be having this discussion?  Regardless if he was DUI, etc he could not control a deadly weapon and now 7 people whose common bond was service to their country and love for riding are dead.  I hope regardless of circumstances the driver faces a long prison term and never is given the privilege of driving again.  If earlier posts are correct and he had been convicted of DUI etc, the company who hired him and it's owner are sued and lose any wealth they might have gained from this business, and also face jail time.  Justice not prayers or blame is my wish.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2019, 09:38:27 AM »
I no longer own a Guzzi, but for some reason, I enjoy reading this board daily.  I guess I have always been impressed with the community, the willingness to help strangers whose only bond is the enjoyment of a common motorcycle brand.  It's nice to see that community at work in such divisive times.  With that in mind, I can not understand how this thread grew to blame the victims based on what gear they may or may not have been wearing based upon their brand, Harley.  If the driver of the Ram 2500 and 20-foot trailer had pulled out a gun, or thrown an explosive device at the riders, would we be having this discussion?  Regardless if he was DUI, etc he could not control a deadly weapon and now 7 people whose common bond was service to their country and love for riding are dead.  I hope regardless of circumstances the driver faces a long prison term and never is given the privilege of driving again.  If earlier posts are correct and he had been convicted of DUI etc, the company who hired him and it's owner are sued and lose any wealth they might have gained from this business, and also face jail time.  Justice not prayers or blame is my wish.



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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2019, 09:38:37 AM »
I no longer own a Guzzi, but for some reason, I enjoy reading this board daily.  I guess I have always been impressed with the community, the willingness to help strangers whose only bond is the enjoyment of a common motorcycle brand.  It's nice to see that community at work in such divisive times.  With that in mind, I can not understand how this thread grew to blame the victims based on what gear they may or may not have been wearing based upon their brand, Harley.  If the driver of the Ram 2500 and 20-foot trailer had pulled out a gun, or thrown an explosive device at the riders, would we be having this discussion?  Regardless if he was DUI, etc he could not control a deadly weapon and now 7 people whose common bond was service to their country and love for riding are dead.  I hope regardless of circumstances the driver faces a long prison term and never is given the privilege of driving again.  If earlier posts are correct and he had been convicted of DUI etc, the company who hired him and it's owner are sued and lose any wealth they might have gained from this business, and also face jail time.  Justice not prayers or blame is my wish.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2019, 10:27:26 AM »
I no longer own a Guzzi, but for some reason, I enjoy reading this board daily.  I guess I have always been impressed with the community, the willingness to help strangers whose only bond is the enjoyment of a common motorcycle brand.  It's nice to see that community at work in such divisive times.  With that in mind, I can not understand how this thread grew to blame the victims based on what gear they may or may not have been wearing based upon their brand, Harley.  If the driver of the Ram 2500 and 20-foot trailer had pulled out a gun, or thrown an explosive device at the riders, would we be having this discussion?  Regardless if he was DUI, etc he could not control a deadly weapon and now 7 people whose common bond was service to their country and love for riding are dead.  I hope regardless of circumstances the driver faces a long prison term and never is given the privilege of driving again.  If earlier posts are correct and he had been convicted of DUI etc, the company who hired him and it's owner are sued and lose any wealth they might have gained from this business, and also face jail time.  Justice not prayers or blame is my wish.

 You want to throw the truck driver in jail despite you having no real evidence so far that I see he was at fault?  No one is blaming the riders, we are discussing possibilities based on past expereinces....
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2019, 10:36:10 AM »
You want to throw the truck driver in jail despite you having no real evidence so far that I see he was at fault?  No one is blaming the riders, we are discussing possibilities based on past expereinces....

His rig was wrecked on the wrong side of the road, WTF happened?  Swerved to avoid a deer, texting, sun in his eyes, he had a blowout?  He LOST CONTROL and now 7 people are dead.  No, I don't think he will be sent to jail after a trial.  Motorists who kill cyclists, motorcyclists, pedestrians, or other motorists rarely are.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2019, 10:58:41 AM »
You want to throw the truck driver in jail despite you having no real evidence so far that I see he was at fault?  No one is blaming the riders, we are discussing possibilities based on past expereinces....

His rig was wrecked on the wrong side of the road, WTF happened?  Swerved to avoid a deer, texting, sun in his eyes, he had a blowout?  He LOST CONTROL and now 7 people are dead.  No, I don't think he will be sent to jail after a trial.  Motorists who kill cyclists, motorcyclists, pedestrians, or other motorists rarely are.

 And your proof? None...Lets be ope minded here...let me give some senarios, the bikers pull out of the inn as a group and head down the highway, one bike may be passing to get into a different position. The truck coming from the other direction suddenly sees this and hits the brakes, the trailer jackknifes as they often do when braking hard , the now out of control truck wipes out the group on bikes and continues to slide right off the road...Ever drive a truck with a trailer and face an emergency situation?
 I'm not blaming anyone and until the actul proof comes in you also should hold judgement....If it comes out the truck drive caused the accident then you are correct...
 I personally have been the victim of a false accusation so I know how it can turn into a lynch mob....This is my opinion of course

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2019, 11:07:31 AM »
Rough edge I agree with you, mobs suck, will wait for the investigation.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2019, 11:12:17 AM »
Such a tragic event, so sad.

I'm curious to see if those "Jarheads MC, US Marine vets, and possible friends" were wearing safe and certified helmets.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2019, 11:17:51 AM »
Here is you answer from the Washington Post this AM


Not sure what the WP story reveals.  The pic is of another couple who may have nothing to do with the group that was clobbered.
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2019, 11:18:24 AM »
It's all speculation at this point but in an early release it said that the Riders were staying at a bed-and-breakfast which is probably 500 feet I believe that's what it said down the road just a just a guess on my part would be slowing down to turn into the bed and breakfast and the truck rear-ended them certainly I wasn't there but it's just a thought
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2019, 12:10:22 PM »
TOMB according to CNN this morning;

The motorcyclists had been traveling east when they collided with a westbound 2016 Dodge 2500 pickup truck.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2019, 01:35:42 PM »
It happened near the junction of 2 and 115, close to Randolph.  The driver crossed the line, over corrected and the trailer and truck cut through the riders like a scythe.  It’s not speculation. 

It’s a 50mph zone.  There is nothing the riders could have done since it was a 90-100mph closing speed.  No amount of gear saves you when there is a 100mph impact with solid steel and you’re on a 700lb motorcycle .  The energy involved makes the talk in this thread about helmets irrelevant.  The bickering about fault and such is disrespectful.

I ride Route 2 almost every weekend.  It was a terrible accident and could have happened to any of us.  ANY...of us. 
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2019, 01:39:18 PM »
Yep, you'd be just as croaked in a small car
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2019, 02:15:23 PM »
 Let's go easy on the judgement fellas , this was a horrible event , no one is saying any different .

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2019, 03:49:10 PM »
Yeah, you don't want to cross the line into be disrespectful.  And, I rather doubt that there is anyone on this forum who doesn't feel sorrow for the riders and their families.

It's human nature though, and particularly motorcycle rider nature, to ask, 'would I have been one of the fatalities, or is there something I regularly do or could do to avoid it'.  So, it's not about "laying blame", it's about not personally making the same mistake.

If I was riding alone...yup, he could've gotten me.  Although, I may have had more options riding alone, as I wouldn't be hemmed in by other bikes.  But, yeah, he could've taken me out. 

But taking out ten bikes and seven lives, that's directly attributable to riding in a group.

The list of things I do for safety include what I wear, where I'll ride, the usual defensive procedures, and never riding in a group.  String out the same as you would if you were a group of total strangers in cars.  With no tailgating. 

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2019, 04:02:40 PM »
At our Colorado NARs, and I imagine most Guzzi "group" rides, we string out typically with at least 100 feet between us. Riding in formation, side-by or closely staggered, invites mass entanglement at best.

A couple of years ago I saw a group of (brand name here) stop for a light in Boulder. Left front guy lost his footing. He and wife tumbled into couple at right front. Happily, only chrome was bruised.
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2019, 04:31:27 PM »
It happened near the junction of 2 and 115, close to Randolph.  The driver crossed the line, over corrected and the trailer and truck cut through the riders like a scythe.  It’s not speculation. 

It’s a 50mph zone.  There is nothing the riders could have done since it was a 90-100mph closing speed.  No amount of gear saves you when there is a 100mph impact with solid steel and you’re on a 700lb motorcycle .  The energy involved makes the talk in this thread about helmets irrelevant.  The bickering about fault and such is disrespectful.

I ride Route 2 almost every weekend.  It was a terrible accident and could have happened to any of us.  ANY...of us.

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2019, 04:37:10 PM »
A 23 y/o convicted criminal, who just over a month ago was arrested for DUI drugs/alcohol
or Marine Vets on a charity ride with their spouses
The criminal cannot be found or reached by his employer (lawyering up?)
Who is more likely to be at fault?  :rolleyes:

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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2019, 04:49:10 PM »
Yeah, you don't want to cross the line into be disrespectful.  And, I rather doubt that there is anyone on this forum who doesn't feel sorrow for the riders and their families.

It's human nature though, and particularly motorcycle rider nature, to ask, 'would I have been one of the fatalities, or is there something I regularly do or could do to avoid it'.  So, it's not about "laying blame", it's about not personally making the same mistake.

I was thinking about exactly that today.

Speaking only for myself, I know that it's difficult to accept that sometimes things just happen. Events can be unavoidable and senseless and random. When I encounter something terrible, I try to make sense of it, to mitigate the awfulness by attributing the outcome to choices, not randomness. I want to know if the riders' helmet status because not wearing one, while not assigning blame, is a choice. Just like texting or following too closely or not taking a defensive rider course or having a cocktail.  And I *like* to think that if I make good choices that I'll be ok. I know it's not true, but it helps. Again, no blame here.
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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2019, 04:55:12 PM »
I am sympathetic but this is one of many reasons why group rides should be avoided.
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2019, 05:03:51 PM »
I am sympathetic but this is one of many reasons why group rides should be avoided.
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Absolutely.  it is rare to find riders that have been trained in group riding with the discipline to do it correctly
not saying they did anything incorrectly just saying group riding can be fun if done with precision
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2019, 05:51:22 PM »
Yep, you'd be just as croaked in a small car

You would be just as crooked in a truck more then likely.
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« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2019, 06:07:50 PM »
 Let's all wait until the facts are known.  Then Lynch the truck driver.
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2019, 06:26:34 PM »
Posted this elsewhere but will again here.
2005 heading north in inside lane of 4 lane divided hwy  wearing proper gear & a Schuberth helmet between 60-65mph (posted 65mph)having slowed slightly thru an intersection. A kid turned left into the middle of my K75 in the middle of the intersection. Woke up laying in the outside lane with a crowd around me & the ambulance there. Ga Hwy Report measured my impact 55 feet from where I was hit. ( Half the distance of the Wright Bros 1st flight.  LOL)
Left front chinbar of the Schuberth ground flat, face shield scraped & gouged, LARGE saucer size chunk out of the left rear & a cup size chunk out of the right rear. The chinbar stayed latched.
I was treated & released in 2 hrs later with 4 stitches in lower left leg & a concussion. I was on crutches for 2 weeks & sore for many weeks.

Aftermath: bought an FJR 1 week after the accident. Shop delivered it but I couldn't get a leg over it for 5 weeks. Sat in the garage w/ a coke snack & micro cloth.
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2019, 06:45:19 PM »
I am speculating just like the rest of you. It seems as if the riders had just left their b&b a short distance. Even for those of us who ride together but spread out my guess might have still been grouped up if it was only a few hundred yards from our departure point. Could have been any of us.May God look over all of them.
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2019, 07:48:40 PM »
Horrible and likely avoidable accident (most are). Very sorry to hear this. I share everyone's heartfelt condolences. There was a similar accident on a remote two-lane highway in Nebraska about eight years ago. Four motorcyclists lost their lives.

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« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2019, 08:52:03 PM »
boy some of you people are really letting the asshole out
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Re: Horrible bike accident in NH.
« Reply #59 on: June 23, 2019, 08:55:18 PM »
Posted this elsewhere but will again here.
2005 heading north in inside lane of 4 lane divided hwy  wearing proper gear & a Schuberth helmet between 60-65mph (posted 65mph)having slowed slightly thru an intersection. A kid turned left into the middle of my K75 in the middle of the intersection. Woke up laying in the outside lane with a crowd around me & the ambulance there. Ga Hwy Report measured my impact 55 feet from where I was hit. ( Half the distance of the Wright Bros 1st flight.  LOL)
Left front chinbar of the Schuberth ground flat, face shield scraped & gouged, LARGE saucer size chunk out of the left rear & a cup size chunk out of the right rear. The chinbar stayed latched.
I was treated & released in 2 hrs later with 4 stitches in lower left leg & a concussion. I was on crutches for 2 weeks & sore for many weeks.

Aftermath: bought an FJR 1 week after the accident. Shop delivered it but I couldn't get a leg over it for 5 weeks. Sat in the garage w/ a coke snack & micro cloth.
Schberth requested the helmet to analyze  & gave me 50% off a replacement.
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WOW dead man walking......your helmet story is one for the books and sure kept you intact.  Interesting they wanted it for research. 
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