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V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« on: November 03, 2017, 11:58:23 AM »
There have been rumors for months, but now they announced it on their Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/MotoGuzzi/posts/?ref=page_internal
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 12:07:15 PM »
A single track through the desert.  A V9 engine based Scrambler or ADV bike?  No one wants to push a 600lb Stelvio through sand and they have the Stornello V7. 

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2017, 12:15:31 PM »
Rumors were (even first than the Facebook post) that it will be a deeply modernized small-block crossover / ADV bike (AKA mini-Stelvio).

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 02:11:25 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 03:33:34 PM »
the above is pure fantasy the 2v motor is dead !!

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 03:37:04 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2017, 04:46:25 PM »
Concept bike. Code for "will never make it into production."

If I see another Oberdan Bezzi puerile fantasy, I may just vomit.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2017, 05:51:19 PM »
the above is pure fantasy the 2v motor is dead !!
Maybe Guzzi could take a lesson from (gasp!) BMW, who resurrected their last purely air/oil cooled engine and used it to power their R9T bikes.  Seems to be working for them.  The Guzzi 2v is a sweet engine, aside from the fact it is often called a 'lump.' 

Agreed, the 8vSE engine on my Griso was a sweetheart, but the reason I bought the Griso was the fact that Guzzi did such a nice job on their 2v 1151 engine that powered my 1200 Sport.  And for some reason, I still prefer the power delivery of the 1151 2v engine.  Might be because my 74 year old reflexes can keep up with the 2v, whereas the 8vSE was quicker than I was.

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2017, 05:53:00 PM »
I hope it isn't a V7 with throwback 1000s paint scheme.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2017, 05:55:48 PM »
I hope it isn't a V7 with throwback 1000s paint scheme.
Please, no more V7/V9 introductions.  Seems there's enough of them in the pipeline already.  C'mon Guzzi, lets do something with the big block other than another cruiser.  There's enough of them, too.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2017, 06:02:39 PM »


Maybe Guzzi could take a lesson from (gasp!) BMW, who resurrected their last purely air/oil cooled engine and used it to power their R9T bikes.  Seems to be working for them.  The Guzzi 2v is a sweet engine, aside from the fact it is often called a 'lump.' 


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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2017, 06:37:43 PM »
A retro 850 LeMans on the based on the V9 would be my vote.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2017, 07:13:47 PM »
I think elsewhere it was mentioned the Stelvio with the new water cooled motor which TBH is more likely, bit disappointing its only a concept bike Guzzi take what 1-2 years before these have any chance of actually making production.

BMW have done well with their oil head in the R90T so Guzzi should make no plans for the future really? Whats not to say BMW and simply clearing out the old stock of oil heads while they are still tooled up for it and then as soon as Euro 4 drops the production line will will be immediately shut. Sure works for BMW they have a number of alternatives, Guzzi have zero and I doubt the capacity to keep two motor production lines open let alone one for a specific model.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2017, 07:41:39 PM »
I hope Guzzi is not still chasing BMW!   They have done it for decades and it has almost never been successful.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2017, 08:39:04 PM »



BMW have done well with their oil head in the R90T so Guzzi should make no plans for the future really? Whats not to say BMW and simply clearing out the old stock of oil heads while they are still tooled up for it and then as soon as Euro 4 drops the production line will will be immediately shut. Sure works for BMW they have a number of alternatives, Guzzi have zero and I doubt the capacity to keep two motor production lines open let alone one for a specific model.

What does it matter if that's what BMW did or if doing?

And why would it prevent Guzzi from continuing to produce/pursue bikes that don't make EU4?

I'm not saying Guzzi doesn't need a solution for that, but it doesn't mean they need to ignore the rest of the world which doesn't seem to be heading that way yet.

I wonder what the market is for everything OUTSIDE the EU?
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2017, 08:39:19 PM »
I hope Guzzi is not still chasing BMW!   They have done it for decades and it has almost never been successful.
I believe it could have been successful.  At the time Guzzi offered the CARC bikes, (B11, 1200S, Norge, Stelvio,) they were building bikes that were competitive with BMW offerings.  I'm a long-time BMW rider. and always thought that Guzzi could have ridden on the coattails of BMW by offering similar products at lesser price.  Not even the price issue  ....  the Guzzi equivalent to the R1150RT was a wonderful bike (Norge) and the 1200S was competitive with the R1200RS.  Electronically, maybe not.  But Guzzi had the basic bikes to compete .......  just no good dealer network, and advertising that inspired no one in the USA to buy, other than those of us who already bought into the Guzzi mystique. 

It would have been depressing to be a Moto Guzzi engineer who designed the CARC bikes to witness the weak promotion these bikes received.  Piaggio ..... take a hike!  You have wonderful bikes and don't know what to do with them.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2017, 08:53:30 PM »
I believe it could have been successful.  At the time Guzzi offered the CARC bikes, (B11, 1200S, Norge, Stelvio,) they were building bikes that were competitive with BMW offerings.  I'm a long-time BMW rider. and always thought that Guzzi could have ridden on the coattails of BMW by offering similar products at lesser price.  Not even the price issue  ....  the Guzzi equivalent to the R1150RT was a wonderful bike (Norge) and the 1200S was competitive with the R1200RS.  Electronically, maybe not.  But Guzzi had the basic bikes to compete .......  just no good dealer network, and advertising that inspired no one in the USA to buy, other than those of us who already bought into the Guzzi mystique. 

It would have been depressing to be a Moto Guzzi engineer who designed the CARC bikes to witness the weak promotion these bikes received.  Piaggio ..... take a hike!  You have wonderful bikes and don't know what to do with them.

Bob
But in the years that Guzzi built the (and I believe they were fantastic) CARC bikes, BMW leaped further ahead with hp, weight, and, farkles (electronic adjustable suspensions, TPMS, adjustable seats, grips, windshields, etc.).

So they were still handily outpacing Guzzi at BMW's own game. The only thing Guzzi had/has going for it was/is the visceral feel. I don't mean to play that down but the rest is not insignificant.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2017, 09:07:38 PM »
Only a couple of days waiting to EICMA, followed by 5 years wait, and then 2 years to figure out the recall won’t happen.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2017, 09:17:57 PM »
A leftover stelvio  now or wait.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2017, 10:34:23 PM »
But in the years that Guzzi built the (and I believe they were fantastic) CARC bikes, BMW leaped further ahead with hp, weight, and, farkles (electronic adjustable suspensions, TPMS, adjustable seats, grips, windshields, etc.).

So they were still handily outpacing Guzzi at BMW's own game. The only thing Guzzi had/has going for it was/is the visceral feel. I don't mean to play that down but the rest is not insignificant.
Yeah ..... but Kev, half of that stuff is caca, and I think (with a decent dealer network) Guzzi could have appealed to the BMW community with bikes that offered all the stuff that we love, without all the high tech crap that offers so little to the overall riding experience.  If the only reason BMW purchasers buy the new bikes is because of the farkles, then I will say I am really disappointed in the BMW riding community.

I think they'd consider Guzzis if there was a reasonable dealer network.

And of course, one has to remember MOA  and RA clubs, both of which are the reason BMW still resonates with their owners ... there are two very active and large clubs that promote the brand.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2017, 05:03:34 AM »
Yeah ..... but Kev, half of that stuff is caca, and I think (with a decent dealer network) Guzzi could have appealed to the BMW community with bikes that offered all the stuff that we love, without all the high tech crap that offers so little to the overall riding experience.  If the only reason BMW purchasers buy the new bikes is because of the farkles, then I will say I am really disappointed in the BMW riding community.

I think they'd consider Guzzis if there was a reasonable dealer network.

And of course, one has to remember MOA  and RA clubs, both of which are the reason BMW still resonates with their owners ... there are two very active and large clubs that promote the brand.
There are two big ifs there:

1. Dealer network.

And

2. Farkles

On #2, YOU and the type of person who generally gets Guzzi might not care, but I get the impression and not insignificant portion of BMWs customers are swayed by them. Otherwise BMW is wasting millions in R&D and components each year.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2017, 05:10:35 AM »
On the "Clan" Website they're talking about showing something

   "....totally new, a world first, that will knock the socks off all Eagle of Mandello fans out there".


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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2017, 07:26:38 AM »
But in the years that Guzzi built the (and I believe they were fantastic) CARC bikes, BMW leaped further ahead with hp, weight, and, farkles (electronic adjustable suspensions, TPMS, adjustable seats, grips, windshields, etc.).

So they were still handily outpacing Guzzi at BMW's own game. The only thing Guzzi had/has going for it was/is the visceral feel. I don't mean to play that down but the rest is not insignificant.

If MG matched BMW in this game, their bikes would cost significantly more money in a contest that Moto Guzzi can only lose because the snob factor draws some people to a BMW. A Stelvio NTX costs $15K compared to a GS with bags that comes in at $24K, and a person who is doing a comparison and can afford the BMW will likely buy the BMW.  Does anyone think a $22-23K Stelvio with matched components and horsepower to the GS is going to compete with BMW at that price? Nope.

They would have to come up with a bike that outshines the GS for a lot less money,great reviews, large media coverage and significantly larger dealer network. 
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2017, 08:23:32 AM »
On the "Clan" Website they're talking about showing something

   "....totally new, a world first, that will knock the socks off all Eagle of Mandello fans out there".


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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2017, 08:35:57 AM »
Quote from: Perazzimx14 link=topic=93144.mfsg1471077#msg1471077 date=1509749580
I hope it isn't a V7 with throwback 1000s paint scheme.

They already did that, and have moved beyond it with the V7 III Special.
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2017, 09:31:05 AM »
I will put on my socks on Tuesday and see what will happen

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 Seems the "clan" is prone to spouting nonsense .

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2017, 09:55:12 AM »
  :laugh:

 Seems the "clan" is prone to spouting nonsense .

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'totally new, a world first' is a bold statement Dusty, unless they are showing us a Guzzi with hybrid engine
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2017, 09:57:46 AM »
To attract younger riders it will be a horizontal single, chain drive w/large output alt and big batt to operate all kinds of  gizmo's and most of all social networks. It comes w/a Piaggio land drone that follows it around, just in case you need more crap.
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2017, 10:03:16 AM »
To attract younger riders it will be a horizontal single, chain drive w/large output alt and big batt to operate all kinds of  gizmo's and most of all social networks. It comes w/a Piaggio land drone that follows it around, just in case you need more crap.

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2017, 10:18:51 AM »
'totally new, a world first' is a bold statement Dusty, unless they are showing us a Guzzi with hybrid engine

 Prepare to be underwhelmed  :rolleyes:

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