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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2021, 03:39:01 AM »
I am goung to guess a solid "real world" number @110, and "claimed " # @115. Piaggio has held back a liquid guzzi for 10 years. lets hope the new mod. leapfrogs the advancements in tech over that time.
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2021, 08:22:59 PM »
My guess !

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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2021, 09:48:47 PM »
I’m guessing it will be enough for most riders, but panned by the Moto journalists as underwhelming. 

I’m also guessing it won’t be enough for the big block guys, and not enough compared to the Japanese competition.


Many of the competitors will be in the 130 - 150hp range. MG needs to be at least 125 and priced well to compete.
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2021, 10:04:30 PM »
I dunno what the hp and torque will be when the engine's running, but when the it's off, I'm fairly sure both will be close to zero...

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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2021, 12:33:54 AM »
I've been saying for 25 years that even experienced rider can't sensibly use more than 100RWHP on modern roads. That would be more than adequate for me on a road bike. It was enough on my RC30, my 888 Ducati, my 1000SS Ducati, my RSV1000R Aprilia, my MVAgusta 750's, my Bimota DB1, my VFR750 Honda, my BMW R1100s etc etc. 

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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2021, 05:42:58 AM »
Guzzis have always been "underpowered" against their "competiton", whatever that is.  I have always thought the main competitor by mission are the BMW flat twins.  As far as price goes, I am sure that the new Guzzi will come in at least 20% cheaper than a BMW RT or RS.  The bodywork on the V100 looks closer to an RS than an RT, but in the BMW world, similarly equipped, the RS has always been close to the RT in price.  Some may make an  argument for the Rotax Beemers, but speaking for myself only, I have never bought into that as the Rotax Beemers were aimed at a different audience in price and mission, although the prices have crept steadily higher for those and with much more bodywork, they may be closer to an RS, but still no shaft drive.  The V100 should match or slightly exceed them on HP and exceed them a little on torque, and looks, forgetaboutit.  Not even close.
In spite of all of the disadvantages perceived by the press, with the advent of the V85 and new V7, they have managed to sell as many as they can ship.  I am sure that will continue with the V100, but those looks could win some converts.
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2021, 06:19:10 AM »
117hp. Just because someone has already picked 115 and 116! And it will ride the wheels of any previous Guzzi except the MGS01....

I really want one, but my bank balance wont stand for that. But I would absolutely sell my B750 to go towards the funding... personally I love the looks and think it will be a hit......
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2021, 07:57:50 AM »
I've been saying for 25 years that even experienced rider can't sensibly use more than 100RWHP on modern roads. That would be more than adequate for me on a road bike. It was enough on my RC30, my 888 Ducati, my 1000SS Ducati, my RSV1000R Aprilia, my MVAgusta 750's, my Bimota DB1, my VFR750 Honda, my BMW R1100s etc etc. 

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And that would be for only a few seconds at a time in first gear unless they are willing to risk a citation.  I barely use all 50 something HP available with the V7III.  I'm usually shifting before the peak hp rpms. 

The interesting thing about motorcycles though is the weight difference between a 55 hp engine and a 100 hp engine is negligible.  It is really whether you want to spend the extra money for the power and the higher insurance costs depending on type of bike. 

I chose the FZ-07 over the FZ-09 at the time because I knew I didn't need the power of the FZ-09 and liked the looks of the FZ-07 better.  If the FZ-09 would have brought more to the table than just power I might have bought it instead.
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2021, 08:02:15 AM »
Guzzis have always been "underpowered" against their "competiton", whatever that is.  I have always thought the main competitor by mission are the BMW flat twins.  As far as price goes, I am sure that the new Guzzi will come in at least 20% cheaper than a BMW RT or RS.  The bodywork on the V100 looks closer to an RS than an RT, but in the BMW world, similarly equipped, the RS has always been close to the RT in price.  Some may make an  argument for the Rotax Beemers, but speaking for myself only, I have never bought into that as the Rotax Beemers were aimed at a different audience in price and mission, although the prices have crept steadily higher for those and with much more bodywork, they may be closer to an RS, but still no shaft drive.  The V100 should match or slightly exceed them on HP and exceed them a little on torque, and looks, forgetaboutit.  Not even close.
In spite of all of the disadvantages perceived by the press, with the advent of the V85 and new V7, they have managed to sell as many as they can ship.  I am sure that will continue with the V100, but those looks could win some converts.

Well, if you put it that way, I would choose Moto Guzzi over BMW every day of the week.  BMW might make great motorcycles, but they don't excite me at all.  If the R-nine-T had a direct competitor from Moto Guzzi I would choose the Moto Guzzi every time. 
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2021, 08:20:32 AM »
I’m willing to bet that (without Googling first), I’ll be hard pressed to find someone to provide a proper definition of what “power” is.
Anyone who knows the actual definition, will realise that in the real world, power is a mathematical value assigned to the rate at which work “has BEEN done”
Not
The rate at which work “CAN be done”
It’s Force x Distance/Time
Or
(Mass x acceleration) x Distance /time
So power will change every time you alter the mass, acceleration or time.

No engine in this world “has” power, it’s a numerical value assigned to a mathematical calculation.

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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2021, 08:33:05 AM »
BMW might make great motorcycles, but they don't excite me at all.  If the R-nine-T had a direct competitor from Moto Guzzi I would choose the Moto Guzzi every time. 

I heartly agree having just purchased a second 2017 R9T Racer, as there was nothing Guzzi made or had made recently that suited my tastes.

The prices of the R9T range are pretty good and I was stunned at the build quality, having being used to Italian bikes.

On the road though it feels more akin to a Japanese 4 than an Italian twin, overall a bit souless.

To its credit though the box is terrific, feels like a chain drive, silky smooth compared to the 5 speed clunkers that I'm used to.

I'd have still rather have had a Guzzi though.

I've been saying for 25 years that even experienced rider can't sensibly use more than 100RWHP on modern roads. That would be more than adequate for me on a road bike.

Me too Phil and as twowheeladdict states I probably only use 50% of that.

The only bike that I wish had a little more power is my LM 1000 for overtaking but that's because I hate to wring its neck.

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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2021, 08:41:45 AM »
No engine in this world “has” power, it’s a numerical value assigned to a mathematical calculation.

Surely a trifle pedantic Peter, or have I misunderstood?

You know fine well that it's a numerical value assigned to machine to determine what it's capable of when it's used, once it's used then it'll become past tense.

My take is that power isn't a good gauge of how an engine will feel on the road, torque and where it's produced are far more important.

Perhaps for the track or racing it is important, but my preference is for something that will whisk me along in the low and mid range, than being gutless until a gadzillion RPM at which point it starts to warp space and time

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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2021, 09:06:03 AM »
Yes John.
I’m happy to mis use the term for the rest of my life and do most every day because it’s an accepted practice.
I just want the populous to understand there is a mistake there, because I think some of them care.
If I call a Breva a Norge, or a CX100 an 850 Le Mans, I will have fire and brimstone visited upon me. Is this not just as important or should I just say what’s generally accepted ?

Anyway, I’ll say that that the maximum calculated figure for a stock one will be 120 hp or 89.5 kW
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2021, 09:44:11 AM »
I’m guessing it will be enough for most riders, but panned by the Moto journalists as underwhelming. 

I’m also guessing it won’t be enough for the big block guys, and not enough compared to the Japanese competition.


Many of the competitors will be in the 130 - 150hp range. MG needs to be at least 125 and priced well to compete.

The trend has been the opposite for the last few years.  Most of the new bikes, save full on sportbikes, have been middleweights with usable power.   This bike will certainly be the most powerful Moto Guzzi ever produced (horsepower, if not 1400 torque) and should slot into the market.  This bike is almost identical to my Duc Supersport (113 HP) although it's very likely heavier. 

One question is whether Guzzi riders want a bike with a 10k redline vs 7k? 

Absolute power is one thing, powerband is everything. 
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2021, 01:55:40 PM »
One question is whether Guzzi riders want a bike with a 10k redline vs 7k? 

Absolute power is one thing, powerband is everything.

Which is why I am not an Inline 4 guy.  I rarely realized the power potential of the Voyager XII and the Concours 14. 

In fact, it was only after I pulled the cobra exhaust that came on the Voyager XII to install the OEM in preparation for sale that I realized there was a whole nuther engine in this bike once you revved past 4000.  With the cobras 4000 rpms made it sound like it was ready to shift.  With the OEM it would sail on up to redline and became an entirely different motorcycle. 

Yep, I'll stay with thumpers and twins as much as possible.  More usable power down low. 
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2021, 05:14:50 PM »
To the tune of Taco’s Amadeus,

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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2021, 05:26:11 PM »
Why Chad ?
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2021, 06:27:37 PM »
To the tune of Taco’s Amadeus,

Lock me Amadeus!

But not everyone has had a chance to put up their guess.  If you don't like the thread anymore you as the originator can delete it.  Or maybe turn it into a poll with a range of answers. 
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2021, 06:36:03 PM »
From LowRyter:
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One question is whether Guzzi riders want a bike with a 10k redline vs 7k? 
The 8V Norge sure feels like it would be happy to go to 10K if the rev limiter would let it.
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2021, 07:15:21 PM »
I’ll play

HP = 118
Torque = 80ftlbs
Weight = 505 lbs

I'll agree with your guesstimate, I think you're pretty much on it.
Maybe a few more lbs though, so I'll say 515.
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2021, 07:37:48 PM »
I’m going to ask the powers that be to lock this thread starting tomorrow evening, 6:00 CDT or so.   Winner will be notified when it seems appropriate!
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2021, 08:30:31 PM »
Which is why I am not an Inline 4 guy.  I rarely realized the power potential of the Voyager XII and the Concours 14. 

In fact, it was only after I pulled the cobra exhaust that came on the Voyager XII to install the OEM in preparation for sale that I realized there was a whole nuther engine in this bike once you revved past 4000.  With the cobras 4000 rpms made it sound like it was ready to shift.  With the OEM it would sail on up to redline and became an entirely different motorcycle. 

Yep, I'll stay with thumpers and twins as much as possible.  More usable power down low.

Ok?  So?   Are you are agreeing with me or just what else? 
   
I might get your point if you hadn't picked a portion of my quote.  So you like a old Kawasakis?   Good for you.   :sad:
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2021, 08:34:46 PM »
I’m going to ask the powers that be to lock this thread starting tomorrow evening, 6:00 CDT or so.   Winner will be notified when it seems appropriate!

So, are giving a prize?  If you are going to lock this and award a winner, there outta be a $ Jackson or Franklin.

Sorry but you deserve it.   :wink:   You know you do.   :evil:
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2021, 08:37:30 PM »
From LowRyter:The 8V Norge sure feels like it would be happy to go to 10K if the rev limiter would let it.
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2021, 08:45:42 PM »
Guzzi says it will get 120HP.

My Guess it will be 95 at the rear wheel.  Still the most powerful Guzzi. 

But Chad, is the winner what Guzzi says (which is 120) or what's on the real world Dyno.

Here's a baseline:  My V11 Sport ('01 Greenie) has a Power Commander, airbox mod, slip-ons and crossover and gets 77 at the rear wheel (Dyno Jet dyno).   I've ridden Darren's and Brad's Grisos and I'd guess they get about 85 (at most).  These bikes have good power curves, maybe not "absolute power."

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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2021, 08:56:10 PM »
Ok?  So?   Are you are agreeing with me or just what else? 
   
I might get your point if you hadn't picked a portion of my quote.  So you like a old Kawasakis?   Good for you.   :sad:

I am responding to the part of your post that I quoted.  I am agreeing that it is the power band.

Do you consider the Concours 1400 an old Kawasaki.? 
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2021, 09:01:26 PM »
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2021, 09:05:47 PM »
I am responding to the part of your post that I quoted.  I am agreeing that it is the power band.

Do you consider the Concours 1400 an old Kawasaki.?

That bike is 15 years old and never caught on like an FJR.  Old or new? Up to you.    That's the facts, Jack.   :popcorn:

So are your agreeing with me, or just starting something?    :cheesy:
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2021, 08:15:05 AM »
John, where did Guzzi say it makes 120hp?
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Re: Guess the claimed HP of new v100!
« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2021, 09:06:52 AM »
John, where did Guzzi say it makes 120hp?

I think I read it one of the press releases or perhaps a journalist's speculation.  But anywhere in 110-115 area would probably be close.  Guzzi isn't going to make this bike into 14k rpm 150HP firebreather and put it in a sports tourer.   It will likely run to 8-9k and have good torque curve.  It will still be more powerful than anything Guzzi has offered before but won't have the torque of the 1400.  Anyway, my guess.
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