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Speaking of premium money I just checked out the latest line of Harleys. Seems that out of the 36 models listed only 8 ( 6 Sportsters + the 500 and 750) come in below $16,000.
they do not even list the HP on the website. I defy anyone to find the HP listed on any Harley website. they cannot even list the HP? ~; 8) :D
I don't think their customers are spec sheet bench racers. If they were, then the numbers would be there.Since you're not an HD customer, why does it matter?
I don't think their customers are spec sheet bench racers. If they were, then the numbers would be there.
They often make torque known. My take is that, as we know, they sell bikes with very mildly tuned engines, opening the door to selling a lot of high performance parts. Publishing the low stock HP numbers would not help sales, so they choose not to do that.
Speaking of premium money I just checked out the latest line of Harleys. Seems that out of the 36 models listed only 8 ( 6 Sportsters + the 500 and 750) come in below $16,000. Out of those 28 left 13 of them cost more that $20,000. <snip>and they do not even list the HP on the website. I defy anyone to find the HP listed on any Harley website.
Are you sure on the prices? I know a few are up there, but even an RK was sub $20k last time I checked (this year).As for HP. you have to back door it.They publish stock vs. Screaming eagle accessorized dyno charts in the v Screaming Eagle Performance Accessories catalogs (they have for decades). So you can get that pdf off their website and get HP figures for most of their bikes.You'll also occasionally find them in press releases or articles in their own magazine.
I had it up on their website and counted it out to make sure I had the numbers right. I sure didn't want to put it all up on WG. It would have taken a whole lotta space for nothing.
Well, look at post 104 I just went through it and you were looking at something other than just base MSRP.
I used this site http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/6/2015/Buyers-Guide-Manufacturer/2015-Harley-Davidson-Buyers-Guide.aspx
Well that's just silly when Harley puts their prices on their own website:http://www.harley-davidson.com/content/h-d/en_US/home/motorcycles/tools/compare-bikes.html?version=desktop;)
Well this site lists all HDs from top to bottom on one page with the prices right off HD site. It made it a lot easier than looking up 36 different models. Not to mention it links to the specs sheet at the same time.
Well, look at post 104 I just went through it and you were looking at something other than just base MSRP.Edit, but I see Rocket beat me to it.
Nope those are MSRP numbers. The site I used was taking the base prices right off HD and quoting them as MSRP
Harvey , my guess is that like the guys who do the Sonic drive in commercials that live in Chicago and have probably never seen a Sonic , the guy that wrote the Street ad has never been on a MC :D Dusty
I see that now, but as Rocker and I pointed out it didn't seem that way because your summary was then incorrect.Like you left 4 out of 5 Dyna models out of the sub $16k count which is true unless you rounded up or added in something other than base MSRP.So it's 2 Streets, 6 Sportsters, 4 Dynas and 1 Softail (13 bikes that come in sub $16k).9 come in between $16-20 including both v-rods, most Softails, and three baggers (Heritage Softail, Road King, and Switchback).The only ones that come in above $20 are all 8 Glides (and most of them are below $25) or they are Trikes or limited eduction factory customs (CVOs) which are really a separate category (as I said earlier like a Ford Raptor or Dodge SRT).It's a slightly different picture then you were painting. Though still largely premium, not that different from BMW, or arguably even Ducati in price structures.
Speaking of premium money I just checked out the latest line of Harleys. Seems that out of the 36 models listed only 8 ( 6 Sportsters + the 500 and 750) come in below $16,000. Out of those 28 left 13 of them cost more that $20,000. So the Harley line 13 bikes listed at or above $20K-$39K, 14 bikes listed $15K-$20K and the rest 9 $10k-$7K. Now here is what I call premium money. A 500 CC coming in a whopping 489#s for $6700 (+$300 shipping and $50 for California emissions) and they do not even list the HP on the website. I defy anyone to find the HP listed on any Harley website. "When the street is where you live, it starts to live in you. True of a rider. True of a motorcycle. The look of the Harley-Davidson Street™ 750 and 500 motorcycles comes from the street. Born out of the custom tradition of tearing down a motorcycle to itsraw, minimal essence and letting the pure rebellion inherent in the lines of the machine come screaming through. This is the essential attitude. It doesn’t require much explanation."OMG someone really wrote this and put it in an advertisement? And they cannot even list the HP? ~; 8) :D
So next time I won't count with my fingers laying on the couch with my laptop on my belly while eating my lunch. :food :BEER:You nit picked my numbers which were off but missed the point of my post. I was responding to Goose who commented and I quote "Guzzi's were built by people making decent wages, using parts made in Europe by folks making decent wages. Now they want premium money for non premium stuff. And they still cannot get it right out the door".