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Offline dave1068

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For those who have more knowledge than me, from looking up both online, is there any real difference between the 2013 and 2014 v7 special other than colors? They both say new engine but I wonder if that predates 2013 model write-ups Also, I see 2015 is a new v7 special but that wont actually come to the US until 2016. My dealer has a black w/ orange striped 2014 calling my name, if I could raise the seat, lower the pegs to fit me, I could possibly see it in my future. Thanks

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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 12:22:04 PM »
I THINK the only difference is color/aesthetics.

But I'm not positive.

I've not personally seen a wet alternator small block in the US, but I feel like someone here reported seeing one - so it's MIGHT be different.

If it's a wet alternator motor I believe it wouldn't have the plastic cover over the alternator that the previous smallblocks used, or that the cover is a different size/shape.

I don't think that's a significant difference even if it is present.

I think the real differences will come on the V7II whenever that arrives on our shores.
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 12:52:35 PM »
Thanks for the quick reply. The v7 II looks real nice from the online info, but as we all know as MG owners, they can be quirky and new models often have issues. I would think the 2014 should have most of the issues addressed and I also have a great relationship w/ my dealer.

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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2015, 12:59:58 PM »
It's a stretch to say there are differences in any of the small blocks since the 2004 Breva.  Single throttle body and 2 hp is the BIG one.  They parade a new look every year however.  The '04 Brevas/Nevada's were flawless.  They had some growing pains with the STB ECU mapping for a time.  Change is tough for the Italians even if it's minimal.      
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2015, 01:12:23 PM »
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Single throttle body and 2 hp is the BIG one.

On what year model was the change to single throttle body?
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Re: Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2015, 03:18:32 PM »
On what year model was the change to single throttle body?
In the US 2013, the rest of the world 2012.

And the first year (US) models were quite right...
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2015, 08:37:04 PM »
No difference other than paint.
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2015, 10:35:41 PM »
All the 2014 models I've sold have had wet alternators, (Shrug?) whether this means that all '14's are wet I know not. Checking is easy though, as Kev says the wet alt models don't have a plastic alternator cover, there is just a similar looking but one piece alloy casting on the front of the donk.

V7-II has the biggest change since the small lock was conceived 35 years ago in that it gets a six speed gearbox.

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Re: Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2015, 10:38:57 PM »
In the US 2013, the rest of the world 2012.

And the first year (US) models were quite right...
Thought you had a little escapade with your dealer about getting an ECU re-flash because of your stalling issue. Remember he was none too happy you were there that day w/o an appt. or something. Heard you or others say it was a safety hazzard how it stalled. Not saying they couldn't make it right, but there were definitely issues with several on the board for a time. Don't think the USA was immune.
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2015, 10:47:55 PM »
I sold a '14 last week and it was the first one I've had that had starting issues. Nothing serious but it coughed and farted a bit for the first minute or so. Because the owner only arrived with the plate and documentation when he was picking up the bike and it was then I identified it I just told him about it and said if it was a problem before the first service? Bring it back. When I do the break in service I'll see if it needs a map upgrade but as I said this is the first one I've had that has misbehaved and I'm wondering if it'll just trim itself right in a few hours.

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Thought you had a little escapade with your dealer about getting an ECU re-flash because of your stalling issue. Remember he was none too happy you were there that day w/o an appt. or something. Heard you or others say it was a safety hazzard how it stalled. Not saying they couldn't make it right, but there were definitely issues with several on the board for a time. Don't think the USA was immune.
Mostly correct.

My dealer, Eraldo Ferracci, was an obnoxious prick about refusing to even check for an updated map BECAUSE I WASN'T PAYING TO HAVE A FULL SERVICE (fluids, valve adjustment etc.). I was perfectly willing to pay shop time to connect the PADS and check the mapping. He was unwilling to do that unless I also paid him to wipe my butt and change oils and probably forget to put a light film of oil on the valve cover gaskets so they bake on and require an hour of scraping to remove all residue (like his shop did the one time I let them touch my Breva 1100, when they didn't fix the stock pinging problem that Guzzitech had no problem solving).

Anyway, yes, the warm up mapping was, and remains, horrendous. Yes I feel it's a safety issue if you don't let it warm up a few minutes.

That's why I used the term "quite" and not the term "perfect."

But all things considered, it runs perfectly the other 99% of the time (once warmed).

If I'm gonna have an imperfection, that's not a bad one. And certainly not a safety hazard IF YOU ARE PREPARED FOR IT (if you always let it warm).

That said, I think there is an updated map and if someone has a dealer who isn't an obnoxious prick I suspect they can easily get it downloaded, regardless whether it's a 13 or 14.

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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2015, 06:31:58 AM »
All the 2014 models I've sold have had wet alternators, (Shrug?) whether this means that all '14's are wet I know not. Checking is easy though, as Kev says the wet alt models don't have a plastic alternator cover, there is just a similar looking but one piece alloy casting on the front of the donk.

V7-II has the biggest change since the small lock was conceived 35 years ago in that it gets a six speed gearbox.

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Have not seen a '14 in the US with the wet alternator (mine included).  I think we got those on the '15's.
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 07:03:57 AM »
Good info to know. Knowing how MG does things, the new 2015 models (blue and red w/ slight changes) wont be here until 2016 what will we in the US be getting for 2015 V7 models? 
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2015, 08:15:48 AM »
Good info to know. Knowing how MG does things, the new 2015 models (blue and red w/ slight changes) wont be here until 2016 what will we in the US be getting for 2015 V7 models?  

2015's (wet alt) have been here for a while.  The new V7 II will be 2016's.   Clear as mud, huh?
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2015, 08:34:31 AM »
Here in RI, which I think is still a part of the USA, my dealer has had a wet alternator V7 on his showroom floor for a few months.  This is marketed as a 2015 model in the USA but is known as a 2014 model in the rest of the world, where the 2015 models are the V7II bikes, which will be known in the USA as 2016 models when they arrive in the fall.  Confusing, isn't it?

I have gone through and carefully compared the parts manuals for the USA 2013-12014 (dry alternator) and the USA 2015 (wet alternator) models and there are very few differences except for the alternator, which also entails a different crankshaft.  As for the alternator itself, the dry one is rated at 350 W and the wet one at only 270 W, so the change apparently wasn't made just to get more power out of them.  Other changes are:

No passenger hand rails in the newer bikes.

More black and fewer chrome parts (mirrors, handlebar, etc.).

Only Kaifa forks on the newer bikes, whereas the older bikes could be supplied with either Kiafa or Marzocchi.

Different rear shock absorber number (doesn't reveal the brand, the older ones could be either Sachs or Olle).

Different side trim details and paint options.

A few different nut, washer and bolt numbers here and there.

Different numbers for intake and exhaust valves, engine speed pickup (sensor), and ECU.

That's the complete list of differences.

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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2015, 08:42:38 AM »
I've been updating V7's that's been coming in to the shop. Don't know what issues it fixes. Old map #3523V702 to New map #352BV738. I haven't talked to Regional Tech yet since I started to find out. I don't even know what year models they are, most likely 14's and maybe a Silver Grey w/stripes Special is a 15.
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2015, 08:49:24 AM »
I've been updating V7's that's been coming in to the shop. Don't know what issues it fixes. Old map #3523V702 to New map #352BV738. I haven't talked to Regional Tech yet since I started to find out. I don't even know what year models they are, most likely 14's and maybe a Silver Grey w/stripes Special is a 15.

My very nice dealer updated my map to 352BV738 when I took the bike in for a warranty inspection (the check engine light came on, probably due to a poor injector connection).  Since the update, my bike has run very well, no cold start issues, no fumbling, stumbling, grumbling, or hesitation at any speed.  I highly recommend the update.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2015, 08:52:41 AM »
That's on my list of things to do come spring IF I can find a reasonable dealer.

It's time to service the wife's Duc, so maybe spending almost $1k somewhere that also sells Guzzis will motivate them to check and upgrade the map (if applicable) for an hour or so of paid shop time.
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2015, 08:54:28 AM »
That was my thought too, my dealer has a 2014 leftover and since the new 2015s aren't coming to the US until 2016 and since I havent seen any 2015s V7s at my dealer I was curious. I suppose its good to know as the 2014 I looked at is discounted slightly.

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2015, 08:56:54 AM »
For what it is worth, I am absolutely in love with my V7. It is by far the favorite bike in my fleet!
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2015, 09:08:14 AM »
That's on my list of things to do come spring IF I can find a reasonable dealer.

It's time to service the wife's Duc, so maybe spending almost $1k somewhere that also sells Guzzis will motivate them to check and upgrade the map (if applicable) for an hour or so of paid shop time.

Looks like we need to make an app't at Eurosports this spring and take a ride up.  They can hook up both our bikes while we wander around the shop. I know a nice back way up along the Delaware, but would take 2 1/2 + hours. 
They are also a Duc dealer.  FBF's arrogance is staggering...
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2015, 09:26:16 AM »
Looks like we need to make an app't at Eurosports this spring and take a ride up.  They can hook up both our bikes while we wander around the shop. I know a nice back way up along the Delaware, but would take 2 1/2 + hours.  
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Sounds good to me. That's who I was thinking of when I wrote that.

Hey, question, you don't have a trailer do you?

I might wind up having to take Jenn's bike up there for a full desmo service this spring and it might be easier if I can do that drop off and pick up solo.
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2015, 09:29:35 AM »
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As for the alternator itself, the dry one is rated at 350 W and the wet one at only 270 W, so the change apparently

That looks like a step backward. What is the advantage, if any, of a "wet" vs. "dry" alternator?  I suppose oil cooling, but the old location had good airflow, right?  Now it Sounds like it's buried in the crankcase making it difficult to access?
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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2015, 09:51:28 AM »
The best SB mapping was on the early Breva/Nevada's, kinda odd the update has a BV in the name.
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2015, 10:17:12 AM »
Sounds good to me. That's who I was thinking of when I wrote that.

Hey, question, you don't have a trailer do you?

I might wind up having to take Jenn's bike up there for a full desmo service this spring and it might be easier if I can do that drop off and pick up solo.

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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2015, 10:39:47 AM »
The best SB mapping was on the early Breva/Nevada's, kinda odd the update has a BV in the name.

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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2015, 10:50:45 AM »
The best SB mapping was on the early Breva/Nevada's, kinda odd the update has a BV in the name.

Yah, but the Baby Breva used the M15-RC and twin TB's with a single O2 sensor. I would of thought it would be quite difficult to transpose that data into something that would work on a twin lambda MUI3G system? Not clever enough to give a definitive answer, just thinking out loud.

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Re: Any difference other than graphics for the 2013 and 2014 V7 special?
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2015, 11:20:58 AM »
Shouldn't be too hard, numbers in squares on a grid, just take time to fill in the squares. My ECU ignition map I made took 6hrs to convert from the normal Marelli map. Two completely different ECU systems, just percentages of the max and minimum using the same grid. 
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2015, 11:35:24 AM »
Fair enough.

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