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Uh oh..broken bleeder valve
« on: August 15, 2022, 03:50:27 PM »
I changed out the fluid for the front brake on the Aero Lario before the Wisconsin rally. When I put a wrench on the bleeder on the linked brake caliper, it wasn't wanting to move. Thought to my self, "Self.. that sucker will break off and you won't have a bike to ride to the Wisconsin rally." So, I left it and boiled the brakes in Wisconsin twisties. <shrug>
Tackled it today, and sure enough it broke off effortlessly.  :smiley: Plugged the hole, and sprayed it with Liquid Wrench. I'll wait 24 hours and drill and eze out it. Hopefully.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2022, 08:12:44 AM by Chuck in Indiana »
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2022, 03:51:31 PM »
Fingers crossed Chuck.

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2022, 05:03:08 PM »
Bummer.  Good luck!
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2022, 06:49:57 PM »
“it broke off effortlessly…”

Good to know they don’t fight back!  :thumb: It’s a welcome feature sometimes…!
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2022, 06:49:57 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2022, 07:00:22 PM »
That's the problem with those new fangled hydraulic brake systems!

Shoes and cables!  That's how brakes should be!!!
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2022, 08:06:12 PM »
Thoughts and prayers

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2022, 08:45:07 PM »


              That's some mighty fine lathe work on your " plug"  :evil:

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2022, 08:57:03 PM »
can I borrow them brake shoes while your not using em ?

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2022, 09:07:54 PM »
Oh, Man, Chuck. I hate it when that happens!
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2022, 10:24:22 PM »
If you have welding skills weld a washer or small nut to what's left, let cool and Bobs your Uncle. DonG

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2022, 10:34:33 PM »
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2022, 06:00:56 AM »
Thanks for all the extremely helpful comments.. :smiley: :boozing: I was just informed that I have honey dos to do today, so the liquid wrench has another day to work..
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2022, 06:52:41 AM »
Thanks for all the extremely helpful comments.. :smiley: :boozing: I was just informed that I have honey dos to do today, so the liquid wrench has another day to work..

Good idea.  Patience is a virtue and time is an ally at times like these.
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2022, 07:25:44 AM »
Thanks for all the extremely helpful comments.. :smiley: :boozing:

OK, i'll try (but suspect you may know this already). I sheared off headbolt in a small outboard and had a devil of a time getting the remnants out. Days, months of soaking with PB Blaster and then the homemade special (ATF and acetone) produced zero results as did heat. Moved on to an ez-out. No luck. Some one said try a left hand drill bit and when I inquired as to where, they looked at me dumbstruck and said "how long have you been boating in RI and you don't know about Fuller?" So it was that I learned about WL Fuller who was about 15 minutes from the marina. Turned out the left hand bit didn't work either but using one of their regular drill bits I was able to JUST drill out the remaining stud (using a hand drill cause my shop was so crowded at the time that I couldn't get to the drill press...) and re-tap (using a Fuller tap) the block. Fuller bits (and ez-outs) make regular hardware store/big box bits look they're made of plastic. Best part of the experience, other than fixing the outboard, was when I told the guy at Fuller that I had lived just up the road for more than two decades and never heard of them and he said "we get at least one person a week who comes in and says that".
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2022, 08:48:04 AM »
I have a special place in my heart for my three cans of Liquid Wrench.  You can never have enough of that stuff
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2022, 01:23:12 PM »
If you have welding skills weld a washer or small nut to what's left, let cool and Bobs your Uncle. DonG

He has the skills. :tongue:
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2022, 04:40:58 PM »
If you have welding skills weld a washer or small nut to what's left, let cool and Bobs your Uncle. DonG

Didn't get to it today, but I'll save the welding until I break the eze out off.. :evil:  :smiley:
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2022, 04:43:05 PM »
I have a special place in my heart for my three cans of Liquid Wrench.  You can never have enough of that stuff
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Ya know, Kevin.. I used to be a fan of AeroKroil.. but honestly I haven't seen anything better than Liquid Wrench after I started using it. Cheap, too. (Guzzi content)  :smiley:
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2022, 05:06:38 PM »
At least there’s already a hole in the middle. That’s more than half the battle.  You got this.
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2022, 05:58:22 PM »
I would clock it up in the drill and bore out to the thread tops.
Then collapse the remainder in onto itself, the remains will come out in slivers with judicious use of the correct tap.

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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2022, 07:12:40 PM »
I would clock it up in the drill and bore out to the thread tops.
Then collapse the remainder in onto itself, the remains will come out in slivers with judicious use of the correct tap.

 :thumb:   After breaking my first easy-out (SO poorly named) inside the $#$% screw, I use the drill, peel and tap method too.

The "easy-out" tools rarely work for me. Probably because my car's stuck bolts here in Ottawa tend to be firmly salt water rust welded. The bolts either come out with some penetrant, time and vibration or need to be drilled out.
 
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2022, 07:28:47 PM »
I use never seize on  about everything that doesn't require lock tight. Including bleeder screws  :grin:

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2022, 07:41:02 PM »
:thumb:   After breaking my first easy-out (SO poorly named) inside the $#$% screw, I use the drill, peel and tap method too.

The "easy-out" tools rarely work for me. Probably because my car's stuck bolts here in Ottawa tend to be firmly salt water rust welded. The bolts either come out with some penetrant, time and vibration or need to be drilled out.
 
Winter driving in the rust belt = poor man's loctite! :laugh:

As someone who grew up in Rochester, NY, I can verify that anyone who owns an automobile in the Rust-caused-by-Salt-Belt should also own an Ox-Acetyline torch with a cutting head..... and a cigarette lighter...   :wink:
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2022, 08:11:45 PM »
No doubt Chuck has this covered. First tool of choice for me would be a left handed twist drill. Center hole already there. I have little luck with easy outs.

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2022, 09:56:40 PM »
I used to be a fan of AeroKroil.. but honestly I haven't seen anything better than Liquid Wrench after I started using it. Cheap, too. (Guzzi content)  :smiley:

I have a can or two of Aerokroil.  It's good stuff for a lot of applications

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2022, 10:33:55 PM »
Gee Chuck. I'm out of circulation for a couple of days, leave you to your own devices and look what happens! :shocked:
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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2022, 10:59:08 PM »
Wolfgang Haerter - Mr. Laverda told me how to get stuck bleeders out of a caliper, if the bleeder puts up and struggle fit a box end wrench over the bleeder and tap the tip of the bleeder with a brass hammer while gently applying pressure on the wrench, it may take some serious 'taps' but it will break free though you may have to replace the bleeder.

Put an easy out in and with a small vice grip on the easy out tap away with a brass hammer on the top of the easy out, it will eventually turn out.
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Re: Uh oh..
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2022, 11:34:25 PM »
I use never seize on  about everything that doesn't require lock tight. Including bleeder screws  :grin:




Same here. I rarely use lock tite , instead I use Vibratite. I doesn’t hurt plastics is one reason. I use the nickel based antisneeze because it doesn’t show on exhaust parts like the copper will.
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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2022, 05:46:57 AM »
Wolfgang Haerter - Mr. Laverda told me how to get stuck bleeders out of a caliper, if the bleeder puts up and struggle fit a box end wrench over the bleeder and tap the tip of the bleeder with a brass hammer while gently applying pressure on the wrench, it may take some serious 'taps' but it will break free though you may have to replace the bleeder.

Put an easy out in and with a small vice grip on the easy out tap away with a brass hammer on the top of the easy out, it will eventually turn out.

Lots of small taps can often win the day.  One of the old time spring loaded center punches can be very useful.  Very convenient for applying a few hundred taps in a short period of time.  Also easy to make the taps "directional" and "localized."
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2022, 05:51:41 AM »
I have a can or two of Aerokroil.  It's good stuff for a lot of applications

I cast my vote for Deep Creep.  Not because of any personal experience of Deep Creep being better than the other popular brands, but due to a comparison I saw on YouTube by a guy who had waaaaaay tooooooo much time on his hands.

PB Blaster v. Deep Creep v. Aerokroil v. Brand X could be the start of a great new series of "Penetrating" Oil Threads or maybe "Penetrating Thread Oils!"
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