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When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« on: August 18, 2017, 07:28:20 PM »





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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2017, 07:31:38 PM »
Hmm-air cooled. Sure could use a fan!

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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2017, 07:35:30 PM »



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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2017, 07:40:45 PM »
Hmm-air cooled. Sure could use a fan!

Or staggered cylinders:



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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2017, 07:40:45 PM »

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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2017, 07:51:02 PM »







Or maybe a triple play.  :bike-037:
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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2017, 10:15:26 PM »





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Wow, wonder what the HP & torque are on that?
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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2017, 11:13:24 PM »
Looks like the same configuration as the Motus, which is 1400cc. I don't think it's water cooled, just oil. Any more data on what we're seeing here? When was it built? Any production plans?

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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2017, 12:00:33 AM »








Nothing new under the sun.  All it takes is money and boredom.

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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2017, 12:04:15 AM »








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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2017, 12:04:40 AM »






Nothing new under the sun.  All it takes is money and boredom.

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Crikey, those are bizarre! 

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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2017, 01:00:49 AM »
The 'W' three was thought up in the late eighties and never progressed past mock-up stage. The smallblock V4 was a couple of years later from memory. It too was a mock-up.

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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2017, 08:19:59 AM »
Looks like the same configuration as the Motus, which is 1400cc.

Motus is 1,650 cc.
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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2017, 02:41:21 PM »
That 24 cyl. job must weigh a ton!
Murphy's  Law sucks!

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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2017, 07:04:01 PM »
The factory figured out that the gains of a V4 weren't with the time or money to develop.  Easier to make the V twin large and spin it more.  It would be less complex too.(pre-FI)  :thumb:  Look at their V8.
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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2017, 08:03:52 PM »
You are right Tom. 

Here is the 500cc V8. 

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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2017, 08:18:15 PM »
Thought I would add one more.  We must all remember that the development of the first bike started in 1955.  My understanding it took 10 months from initial drawings to first mock up.



The one you see here ( Sammy Miller museum ) was fitted with modern electronics.  Instead of 8 sets of points. 
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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2017, 01:29:45 AM »
The current V twin design of the engine for Moto Guzzi is a proven expandable design.  Infinitely (almost) expandable and just spin the crank.  Hence the current 1400 models.
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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2017, 07:17:36 AM »
Here is a local boy that made this 392cc V-8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzDKehAHNM4
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Re: When TWO cylinders are not enough.
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2017, 10:29:12 AM »
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374 cc six cylinder.

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