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Title: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Murray on August 04, 2021, 08:19:47 AM
So a new bike was rumored for the 100th anniversary event, with the event postponed would the release be postponed as well (highly unlike me thinks), does it even exist? Is it the anniversary model with its colour tank swap hey we have a new model al la the motor company? I''d really like to see something genuinely new.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: blackcat on August 04, 2021, 08:31:27 AM
No spy shots, no chatter about a new engine,etc this close to the unveiling.....perso nally I'm not expecting much.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Scud on August 04, 2021, 07:12:00 PM
Since we're speculating... or maybe just wishing... how about a new LeMans?

They build the V7 Sport with an 850 motor. How hard would it be to turn that into a LeMans with premium suspension and new bodywork and pipes?
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 04, 2021, 08:40:15 PM
The real speculation is how many on this forum are ready to open their wallets if Moto Guzzi puts out a new 850 in the design of their liking? 
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Dirk_S on August 04, 2021, 09:24:31 PM
The real speculation is how many on this forum are ready to open their wallets if Moto Guzzi puts out a new 850 in the design of their liking?

Enough, I bet. But, I also don’t think this forum represents the Guzzi owners demographic, and so potentially basing a preconception off the folks on here would be fallible (not saying that you or anyone else is, but if they were…). That, or the fresh faces just don’t like to post here much and/or prefer other media to post on.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Turin on August 04, 2021, 10:23:18 PM
Sources in Italy mention a new Nevada based on the V9. 2 tone paint, leather bags, and forward controls.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: s1120 on August 05, 2021, 07:18:50 AM
The real speculation is how many on this forum are ready to open their wallets if Moto Guzzi puts out a new 850 in the design of their liking?

I bet a fair amount if its more then a rebadge/color. Look at how many on here have literally ran out to get the V85 when it hit, and also the new V7's now just coming out.  Granted a lot of us like our old rides, and that's great, but there are quite a few here that are spending their hard earn green.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: blackcat on August 05, 2021, 08:05:49 AM
Sources in Italy mention a new Nevada based on the V9. 2 tone paint, leather bags, and forward controls.

Ugh, I’d rather own a Sportster.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 05, 2021, 08:49:25 AM
Ugh, I’d rather own a Sportster.

Agree. Wish I would have had the fu ds when a camp host offered me his 1200 touring sportster last summer.  Sure was a beautiful bike with many tasteful upgrades. 
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Dirk_S on August 05, 2021, 08:54:42 AM
Someone mentioned a while back they 'heard' that a new Le Mans 850 was coming out.

It was just mentioned that "word out of Italy is that a new Nevada is coming out."

Are both of these just whispers and rumors, or can we dig up some literature that's closer to legit sources? Because otherwise, it's pointless to be whispering what we THINK is coming up.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: bad Chad on August 05, 2021, 09:03:22 AM
The idea that it would be a refreshed Nevada is BS.   A  v9 Nevada would be too close to the existing V9 Roamer, and it's not like the Roamer is a super hot seller.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 05, 2021, 09:27:14 AM
The idea that it would be a refreshed Nevada is BS.   A  v9 Nevada would be too close to the existing V9 Roamer, and it's not like the Roamer is a super hot seller.

I dont even think the Roamer made the cut for 2021? AFAIK just the Bobber is the whole V9 series now? Why would you drop that from the line-up and then re-release it with bags and a windshield?  Not like the Florida/Nevada was ever a real hot seller in the first place
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: bad Chad on August 05, 2021, 09:59:23 AM
The Roamer is still current in much of the rest of the world.  It's been in continues production since 2016, it's just North America that doesn't seem to appreciate her.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: blackcat on August 05, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/VHNyQdp/BB1e-R5-HX-img.jpg)

Small block, single disc?
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 05, 2021, 11:35:02 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/VHNyQdp/BB1e-R5-HX-img.jpg)

Small block, single disc?

Nothing wrong with a single disk if it is sized right and mated with the right caliper to do the job. 

My new KLX300SM has the single disk, but is larger than the dual sport KLX300, and provides one finger braking.  The testers who took them on the cart tracks did not report any fade. 
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: LowRyter on August 05, 2021, 12:30:02 PM
Since we're speculating... or maybe just wishing... how about a new LeMans?

They build the V7 Sport with an 850 motor. How hard would it be to turn that into a LeMans with premium suspension and new bodywork and pipes?

LeMans Light   :sad:
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 05, 2021, 12:39:54 PM
LeMans Light   :sad:

Most of the LeMans bikes produced have been 850's??????? LM I, II, III????
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: fotoguzzi on August 05, 2021, 12:42:49 PM
Ugh, I’d rather own a Sportster.
yeah, or even a Vespa.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: blackcat on August 05, 2021, 12:47:26 PM
"Nothing wrong with a single disk if it is sized right and mated with the right caliper to do the job."

The KLX is 300+lbs and 300cc's so I'm sure that the single disc isn't a problem but a 100+hp LeMans that would go toe to toe with a Triumph Thruxton RS should have dual discs and good suspension IMO.   
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Dirk_S on August 05, 2021, 12:51:00 PM
"Nothing wrong with a single disk if it is sized right and mated with the right caliper to do the job."

The KLX is 300+lbs and 300cc's so I'm sure that the single disc isn't a problem but a 100+hp LeMans that would go toe to toe with a Triumph Thruxton RS should have dual discs and good suspension IMO.

A small block isn't going to put out 100 HP, so...just a single disc seems to work fine. Problem solved :)
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 05, 2021, 01:49:28 PM
"Nothing wrong with a single disk if it is sized right and mated with the right caliper to do the job."

The KLX is 300+lbs and 300cc's so I'm sure that the single disc isn't a problem but a 100+hp LeMans that would go toe to toe with a Triumph Thruxton RS should have dual discs and good suspension IMO.

You didn't specify a 100+ HP LeMans in your post though. You didn't specify anything except "small block, single disc?"  Even then, it is all about the size of the disk, whether it is floating, vented, and how large the brake pads and how many pistons on the caliper. 

If they through two 200 mm discs with single pot calipers they would meet two discs and you would be happy I assume. 

Just like people saying a bike needs another gear without specifying that it needs an overdrive gear, a granny gear, or just another gear so that it can have closer ratios. 
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: blackcat on August 05, 2021, 02:10:13 PM
You didn't specify anything except "small block, single disc?"

I was asking a question; IMO if it's just a rehash of the small block then why bother with the fuzzy photo if it's just a paint job and a couple of doodads?  The photo implies something so exciting that we want to keep it hidden until it's unveiling, and maybe (hopefully) that is what will happen.

And I'm not trying to go out of my way to be negative here, small blocks are fine, they are what they are and I'm glad they are making money from the bikes at this present time but the competition is moving on.

At least in the past, Guzzi tried to keep up with BMW but that is way in the distant past. Maybe they want to dominate Benelli for the time being?
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 05, 2021, 02:12:24 PM
how the hell can ya'll see if it's a single disk in that pic   :popcorn:
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: blackcat on August 05, 2021, 02:24:08 PM
how the hell can ya'll see if it's a single disk in that pic   :popcorn:

I can't see it either, just asked the question, but it does look like a small non-Classic bike with a single rear shock. 
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: fotoguzzi on August 05, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
By using imagination?

when MG celebrates their 100 year anniversary a year late at 101.. Maybe they will have time to imagine something new, aren't they always late to the party?
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Scud on August 05, 2021, 03:21:01 PM
Most of the LeMans bikes produced have been 850's??????? LM I, II, III????

Agreed. That's what I was thinking when I wrote my earlier post. Look how well the new V7s have done for Moto Guzzi - and how similar they appear to the original V7. The original V7 Sport is one of the most collectible post-60s Guzzis. Also highly collectible: the original 850 LeMans, which also happens to be (IMO) one of the best looking bikes Guzzi ever made.

The V7s have attracted a lot of younger (even first-time) riders. Some of them might be ready for 20% more displacement and power. Why not build an 850 LeMans with modern tech and 1977-inspired styling? It could be an upgrade for the V7 owners, and would offer the nostalgia angle for older people.

I don't they will realistically build another real sports bike - at least not so long as Piaggio keeps Aprilia.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Dirk_S on August 05, 2021, 04:01:28 PM
Agreed. That's what I was thinking when I wrote my earlier post. Look how well the new V7s have done for Moto Guzzi - and how similar they appear to the original V7. The original V7 Sport is one of the most collectible post-60s Guzzis. Also highly collectible: the original 850 LeMans, which also happens to be (IMO) one of the best looking bikes Guzzi ever made.

The V7s have attracted a lot of younger (even first-time) riders. Some of them might be ready for 20% more displacement and power. Why not build an 850 LeMans with modern tech and 1977-inspired styling? It could be an upgrade for the V7 owners, and would offer the nostalgia angle for older people.

I don't they will realistically build another real sports bike - at least not so long as Piaggio keeps Aprilia.

That bike already exists/existed practically as a factory kit…

 https://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/sketchbike/ (https://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/sketchbike/)
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: bad Chad on August 05, 2021, 04:01:31 PM
Guzzi sport bikes, cool as they are, weren't competitive since the mid eighties as I recall. 
So I see no reason why Guzzi couldn't offer a Guzzi sport bike now.  It certainly doesn't need to be competitive with the rest of the market, just make it cool, good and fun!

Something like 130hp would be plenty, use a new motor, Guzzi has a long tradition of lots of motor ingenuity, and give it good suspension!   Make it a halo bike for the brand.  Seems easy peasy.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: blu guzz on August 05, 2021, 04:03:29 PM
i am not sure that as fun as it is to talk about a retro lemans that there are that many people that really want to own a cafe style bike.  i know my wrists could not take it.  i will definitely test ride it if they build it, but part with real money, doubtful.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: egschade on August 05, 2021, 06:04:40 PM
A fresh take on the Rosso Corsa would be easy enough


(https://i.ibb.co/L54r40n/guzzi-rossocorsa1-large.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L54r40n)
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Huzo on August 05, 2021, 06:27:19 PM
We’ll all need to be a little cautious about poopooing the prospect of a new Guzzi coming.
Remember that sales flop they called the V85 ? When it was first mooted, most of the luminaries were seen to be rolling on the floor in rapturous laughter.
We all know how THAT worked out.... :embarrassed:
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: LowRyter on August 05, 2021, 09:00:17 PM
A fresh take on the Rosso Corsa would be easy enough


(https://i.ibb.co/L54r40n/guzzi-rossocorsa1-large.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L54r40n)


did someone say "LeMans" ?
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 05, 2021, 09:19:16 PM
You didn't specify anything except "small block, single disc?"

I was asking a question; IMO if it's just a rehash of the small block then why bother with the fuzzy photo if it's just a paint job and a couple of doodads?  The photo implies something so exciting that we want to keep it hidden until it's unveiling, and maybe (hopefully) that is what will happen.

And I'm not trying to go out of my way to be negative here, small blocks are fine, they are what they are and I'm glad they are making money from the bikes at this present time but the competition is moving on.

At least in the past, Guzzi tried to keep up with BMW but that is way in the distant past. Maybe they want to dominate Benelli for the time being?

I see more and more small displacement, lighter bikes coming from the competition. Yamaha now has 4 bikes based off the 700cc P-twin, and Kawasaki has a lot of offerings 650cc and below. If I were a smaller person I would have only small light bikes in my stable with my V7III the “super sport” in the stable. 😀
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Huzo on August 05, 2021, 09:45:02 PM
Oddly enough I remember that differently , some of us were skeptical of the power claims .

 Dusty
Well mate.
If I had to I could pull up the responses...(but I respect Dan too much..)
You don’t need to rely on your memory, just pull up the thread and look at the first 4 pages......
This was from page #1
(https://i.ibb.co/xGJzww7/A59-C644-A-CD9-C-48-D8-8865-2-D44-B8-E99544.png) (https://ibb.co/xGJzww7)

(https://i.ibb.co/16ffhWD/A4-BBC649-7-AE6-4-CB7-BAE5-FE02-BA9-D8930.png) (https://ibb.co/16ffhWD)

(https://i.ibb.co/6HCZkPN/D9330-D51-0522-4574-9-BCC-BC1-AD3-B6-DFE3.png) (https://ibb.co/6HCZkPN)

(https://i.ibb.co/R7yQwGR/B612-A91-D-9-FDC-4964-B194-D8037-FE1560-D.png) (https://ibb.co/R7yQwGR)
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: rschrum on August 05, 2021, 11:06:54 PM
I vote Rossa Corsa, with an Aprilia v4 turned sideways.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Huzo on August 06, 2021, 12:55:01 AM
 Ok Sultan.
The bit that comes after and is this.
Too many people have stated what they hope or wish might happen with regard to Guzzi releasing a new model and are digitally shouted down by those who take the position of knowing more than they do.
The following pages of that thread serve to prove my point.
Beetle, Roper, Dusty, and a plethora of supporters, combined one way or another to make lesser lights feel stupid for daring to dream.
However that was not their motive.
But.
When I suggested years ago that an 850 Le Mans could be produced and be slotted between the V7 and V9 to be named the V8, it was deemed laughable, you can check for yourself on “Why won’t they do it” thread.
Also.
I further predict that if you keep asking questions and I answer them (which I can..), the thread will get locked.
But I’m happy to play.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Huzo on August 06, 2021, 01:51:02 AM
How come one post by So Cv is signed Dusty and one is signed The Sultan ?
Also, why am I seen as an agitator when I point out an inconsistency or a double standard ?
Yes, it sounds like a very good plan, as long as I am not accused being a troll by anyone who feels threatened by my remarks..(present company excluded..  :rolleyes:).

Also, any comment I make, I am happy to have delivered back at me at the same or elevated level.
There is also another thing that occurs, whereby a detractor may engage you and when rebuffed, claim that the whole thing was a piss take.
Of course that does not apply here.
If you let me stop hereI will, in deference to Dan.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Huzo on August 06, 2021, 04:34:43 AM
Ok.
That makes a surprising amount of sense.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Huzo on August 06, 2021, 06:04:59 AM
  Most of us would be happy with a sporting roadster platform that could be turned into a sport touring mount or left naked .
85-95 Shetlands with a nice flat torque curve , 6 speed transmission , decent suspension , that still sounds and acts like a Moto Guzzi .
Ok then.
I agree wholeheartedly with that, is that a view that you genuinely (now) hold ?
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: janguzzi on August 06, 2021, 06:58:49 AM
You can find some info (rumors?) here:
http://forum.animaguzzista.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59418&sid=41b795c194d62a396e33d4a2ebbb846c

e.g.
1000 ccm V2 4V with dual overhead camshafts, liquid cooled
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Ncdan on August 06, 2021, 06:59:02 AM
Who’s serve, I can’t remember 🤔😂😂😂
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Kev m on August 06, 2021, 07:27:20 AM
I hope they make a smallblock LeMans 850 with a monoshock, USD forks, and dual-disc brakes.

Mostly to annoy all the people who think they shouldn't, but also because I think it would be great!

Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: s1120 on August 06, 2021, 07:51:11 AM
I hope they make a smallblock LeMans 850 with a monoshock, USD forks, and dual-disc brakes.

Mostly to annoy all the people who think they shouldn't, but also because I think it would be great!

Kinda like the racer should have been all along.

There has been so vary little info on this "new" bike that I wonder if the real delay is coming up with a idea... I could say what they should build, but what do I know.. Picture looks small and sporting, but it could just be a random "bike shape blur" used as a place holder. What I would LIKE to see? I kinda think a sport tour with a semi watercooled, 4 valve head 1400 based engine. I know its not going to happen, but I think it would be a cool ride, and a place where I think adding water cooling would be accepted.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Kev m on August 06, 2021, 08:01:00 AM
Kinda like the racer should have been all along.

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Scud on August 06, 2021, 09:24:15 AM
I hope they make a smallblock LeMans 850 with a monoshock, USD forks, and dual-disc brakes.

Mostly to annoy all the people who think they shouldn't, but also because I think it would be great!

Yes... Available in Red, white, and Ice Blue, if you please. Oh look... I found a concept drawing:



(https://i.ibb.co/4mDTNCf/15-C4-AF60-3-AD7-43-D1-8-C5-D-83-CA7-C2-BC7-D6-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4mDTNCf)

 

Then, just for the hell of it, they can stuff a hot rodded 1400 motor in a CARC platform and call it the MGS-02. (For the record, I think this is a less realistic idea than an 850 LeMans).
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: PJPR01 on August 06, 2021, 09:49:00 AM
Who’s serve, I can’t remember 🤔😂😂😂

Advantage Huzo I believe...then probably back to deuce a few more times says the court umpire.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: LowRyter on August 06, 2021, 10:04:44 AM
Nothing against the small block.   But I would like to see a big block sport touring machine.  I was almost hooked on the 1400. 

Would I purchase one new?  No.  Given Guzzi's track record, I'd wait for a couple of years to see if they were reliable.  At my age, perhaps it would be never.   That's been the history for the last 20 years.  Don't blame the customers for being shy.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: blackcat on August 06, 2021, 10:08:13 AM
If they are thinking of making a small block LeMans, please call it a Monza. 
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Huzo on August 06, 2021, 02:11:34 PM
Have always held that opinion . The BB crank and rods are more robust than the SB's , and the bore/stroke dimensions of the Bellagio motor not only allow it to rev quite nicely they also help de-stress the motor . The two valve design was basically bulletproof , and while not as high zoot as a 4 valve design , what Chevrolet has done with 2 valve heads is pretty remarkable, we are only seeking 95 reliable HP , with a nice torque curve . Much simpler to do with a short stroke BB than trying to produce those numbers from an over stressed SB . Yes , it will be a bit heavier , but with some prudent application of modern metallurgy surely the weight can be kept under 500 LBS while maintaining simplicity and reliability . Water cool the heads , put modern shower head FI on it , modern cam profiles , etc .

 Dusty
Ok, that is all completely acceptable and I feel like I wrote 90% of it myself.
But wasn’t there a groundswell of opinion, that such a beastie would not sell because it would not be “competitive” ?
That was the (possibly correct), stance taken by the folks who were against the road MGS going head to head with the likes of a Desmosedici.
I don’t think pure performance is the draw card it once was.
Title: Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
Post by: Huzo on August 06, 2021, 02:18:00 PM
Nothing against the small block.   But I would like to see a big block sport touring machine.  I was almost hooked on the 1400. 

Would I purchase one new?  No.  Given Guzzi's track record, I'd wait for a couple of years to see if they were reliable.  At my age, perhaps it would be never.   That's been the history for the last 20 years.  Don't blame the customers for being shy.
That does seem a very fair approach to take LR..
However you’d have no problem achieving 100% reliability, because they’d all be in the showrooms and never have a breakdown...