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Title: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: dan_s on December 25, 2012, 03:10:25 AM
Saw this on the GB Guzzi club forum

Great action
http://youtu.be/McnjxoBQ6TQ (http://youtu.be/McnjxoBQ6TQ)
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: radan2 on December 25, 2012, 03:48:28 AM
Nice video. Shame there was no audio of the race.  :pop
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: guznax on December 25, 2012, 05:28:28 AM
Incredibly cool. Too bad the sound is missing.

I noticed the Guzzi is quite wobbly at braking and accellerating.
wonder what went wrong with the Guzzi. brilliant start by Lewis BTW.
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: rocker59 on December 25, 2012, 08:40:55 AM
Incredibly cool. Too bad the sound is missing.

I noticed the Guzzi is quite wobbly at braking and accellerating.
wonder what went wrong with the Guzzi. brilliant start by Lewis BTW.

Bumpy track and suspension setup choices. 

Pretty amazing to see the antiquated spine frame hanging in there with more modern machinery.

Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: grebmrof on December 25, 2012, 08:45:26 AM
Stroud on that Britten looked incredibly smooth, the Guzzi disappeared somewhere in the 7 min area and only reappeared to go to the pits - something broke.  The Guzzi looked to be a handful, but he stayed with it amazingly well.  Yes, too bad there isn't any race sounds from the bikes.
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: guzzi ride on December 25, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
Thanks for sharing this and yes live audio would be the icing on a great cake.
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: guzzi ride on December 25, 2012, 11:21:34 AM
BTW... last year I treated myself to one of the Britten models from there web page that I've lusted over for years.
Now I need to someday assemble it. I new that that would be about the closest I will ever come to owning one. :bow
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Kentktk on December 25, 2012, 11:57:11 AM
Very cool!
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Blueboarhound on December 25, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
Awesome! Thanks for posting. I had the pleasure of watching the Britten at Daytona back in the '90's. I wish I would have had the opportunity to see the Raceco UK and Three Cross Daytona's ridden in anger. Thanks again for posting.
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Arizona Wayne on December 25, 2012, 02:52:13 PM
BTW... last year I treated myself to one of the Britten models from there web page that I've lusted over for years.
Now I need to someday assemble it. I new that that would be about the closest I will ever come to owning one. :bow




I've(too old) never ridden a Britten, but I saw 1 up close and sat on the 1 Barber's Museum has.  :-X  It felt like a Ducati F750 race bike in size.  ???
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: RaananC on December 25, 2012, 02:59:06 PM
Here are more documentary about the Britten

Top Gear: Britten V1000 Racing Motorcycle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM_aNwaodd4

britten motorcycle nz doco mid 90's 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=624SdFbKtvc&feature=endscreen

britten motorcycle nz doco mid 90's 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvXLh-mOkro

britten motorcycle nz doco mid 90's 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiPGrgXhe5M

britten motorcycle nz doco mid 90's 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7bnUEau1A4
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: racergary on December 26, 2012, 12:17:01 AM
I believe Britten lost a bunch of stuff in one of the earthquakes and the model is listed as no longer available but boy oh boy was it expensive,almost $300NZ but looks like it was a first class model

anybody know more?
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Guzzirider on December 26, 2012, 08:51:36 AM
I watched Paul Lewis race that bike in torrential rain at Thruxton- he is a very talented rider- shame there is not more footage on You Tube of him riding the wheels off that Guzzi, which incidentally is now road registered somewhere in Scotland. Raceco managed to get the weight down to about 160kgs in race trim.

I am lucky enough to own a similar 1225cc Daytona with the same frame mods- wish I had the same riding talent at Paul Lewis!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/72315_10151561029624816_1677563010_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: rocker59 on December 26, 2012, 09:11:13 AM
 ;-T
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: lucky phil on December 26, 2012, 03:55:29 PM
I watched Paul Lewis race that bike in torrential rain at Thruxton- he is a very talented rider- shame there is not more footage on You Tube of him riding the wheels off that Guzzi, which incidentally is now road registered somewhere in Scotland. Raceco managed to get the weight down to about 160kgs in race trim.

I am lucky enough to own a similar 1225cc Daytona with the same frame mods- wish I had the same riding talent at Paul Lewis!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/72315_10151561029624816_1677563010_n.jpg)
Yes the "angry ant" was a very talented rider.
I love the Britten,it appeals to my engineering brain and I loved the man as well for his "can do" style and dedication and intellect.
Having said all that though and being totally objective the Britten was grossly overrated as a race bike. Nowhere near as fast as the legend suggested.
Last time I saw one race was Phillip Island maybe 12 or 14 years ago and it was about as quick as a good 600 supersport at the time. 1.42's from memory or there abouts.
Its main issue apart from reliability due to lack of coordinated development was a major design flaw.That being it was WAY to tall to handle well. It doesnt wheely everywhere because of its power, its due to a ridiculously high C of G which makes it a chore in the tight stuff as well.
Look at Andrew Stroud, he looks like hes sitting on a fence. Love the  look and engineering though.  
Ciao
Title: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun FIXED
Post by: bad Chad on January 08, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
I had not seen this before.   Show this to the clown who says Guzzi are slow.

Fixed link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnjxoBQ6TQ&sns=fb
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: bigbikerrick on January 09, 2015, 12:21:17 AM
That was cool! I wish they had the sound of the bikes, instead of that "porno music" during the race.
Rick.
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on January 09, 2015, 01:52:40 AM
Good clip, comments are funny too
At least Loopy didn't bin it, was pushing it hard but breaking it maybe worse, they blamed a big end failure ??
Stroudy's the man, just playing, even in the "battle". I've seen him on that bike quite recently (09), still just pulls monos everywhere.
He plays a bit off track too, has a tribe of about 10 kids !!!

Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: toeslider on January 09, 2015, 03:10:27 AM
Sorry, but I didn't see the Guzzi anywhere in this clip. However I did see two fine Kiwi racers riding Kiwi-made bikes and virtually lapping the field. Sure made my night. We're soon going to have the opportunity to see these same two Brittens race over Feb at a series of classic bike meets at the Pukekohe, Hampton Downs, and Ruapuna circuits. It's a great way to celebrate the 20 years that have passed since that clip, and John Britten's untimely death etc. Meanwhile here's a thumbs-up to Stroudy, and wife Karen. With the help of the latter, he has produced more offspring than he's won New Zealand Superbike championships (9 times at last count), and considers them as his greatest achievements. To whet appetites further about the coming Britten celebrations, watch this:

http://vimeo.com/115385119
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: Old Jock on January 09, 2015, 03:32:36 AM
Caught it already on believe it or not a DUcati forum.

Great bit of footage, but you can't really say its down to the Daytona's handling ability  ;D

I still think one of the guy's who proddy raced one here in the UK had it right his articles were entitled Riding the Bus

Thanks for posting

John
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: mtiberio on January 09, 2015, 07:12:28 AM
Ah, Paul Lewis the angry ant... He rode that bike well, but you can see it didn't handle like the Britten
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: radguzzi on January 09, 2015, 08:14:21 AM


So what happened to Lewis and the Guzzi....?  Did he break and that was just a coast around the track while waving at the crowd...?  ???

Good footage all the same, that Britten pulling the wheel off the deck all the time...! 
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: leafman60 on January 09, 2015, 08:16:25 AM
Sorry, but I didn't see the Guzzi anywhere in this clip. However I did see two fine Kiwi racers riding Kiwi-made bikes and virtually lapping the field. Sure made my night. We're soon going to have the opportunity to see these same two Brittens race over Feb at a series of classic bike meets at the Pukekohe, Hampton Downs, and Ruapuna circuits. It's a great way to celebrate the 20 years that have passed since that clip, and John Britten's untimely death etc. Meanwhile here's a thumbs-up to Stroudy, and wife Karen. With the help of the latter, he has produced more offspring than he's won New Zealand Superbike championships (9 times at last count), and considers them as his greatest achievements. To whet appetites further about the coming Britten celebrations, watch this:

http://vimeo.com/115385119

Me too!  Ummm, sorry to seem dumb, but the bike on the tail of the Britten didnt look like a Guzzi to me. Maybe I need glasses.  I couldn't see any heads peeking out the sides.
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: Nick on January 09, 2015, 08:37:43 AM
I couldn't see any heads peeking out the sides.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s180/ndicroce/ScreenShot2015-01-09at92948AM_zps381ad884.png) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/ndicroce/media/ScreenShot2015-01-09at92948AM_zps381ad884.png.html)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s180/ndicroce/ScreenShot2015-01-09at92804AM_zpsf494a4b6.png) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/ndicroce/media/ScreenShot2015-01-09at92804AM_zpsf494a4b6.png.html)
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: sturgeon on January 09, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Watch it from the beginning; the link posted above starts at 8 and half minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnjxoBQ6TQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnjxoBQ6TQ)
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun FIXED
Post by: bad Chad on January 09, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
Thanks didn't realize I had the link screwed up.   I kind of like the music!   But I do wish we could hear the bikes!
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun FIXED
Post by: leafman60 on January 09, 2015, 10:16:30 AM
Thanks, Nick. I apparently didn't watch long enough. That is definitely a Guzzi.
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: bad Chad on January 09, 2015, 11:31:06 AM
You need to watch it again, now that it's been corrected, you will see the Daytona putting it to the Britten, but squirming around a lot doing it!
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: PeteS on January 09, 2015, 11:31:57 AM
Thats a pretty impressive Guzzi. I remember watching the Andrew and the Britten stomping the field at Daytona including the hot Ducatis of the time. No other bike could get as close to him as this Guzzi did.
I think he wheelied the full straight after the horseshoe every lap. Those were the glory days for AHRMA racing.

Pete
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on January 09, 2015, 07:31:55 PM

So what happened to Lewis and the Guzzi....?  Did he break and that was just a coast around the track while waving at the crowd...?  ???

Good footage all the same, that Britten pulling the wheel off the deck all the time...! 

Says big end failure in comments, possibly the old oil pump gear breaking trick ?
He did win the Euro series so it got resolved, guessing Amedeo fitted Ago gears and a needle bearing pump, I'm sure story is on net somewhere ?
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: mikebr on January 09, 2015, 07:45:16 PM
I watched two Britten's racing in Timaru NZ, with John Britten laptop in hand working on one between racing.

That's where my love of V Twins came from nice guys to talk to, Andrew Stroud always put on a great show great wheelies and a great rider. ;-T
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Arizona Wayne on January 10, 2015, 12:13:35 AM
Recently saw a rebuild of a yellow/black Britten being gone thru for a more current road race on another website.  That sight said the Britten @ Daytona got up to 180 mph.  8)  The sound for this race suggested it was in California. No way.  It was somewhere overseas.  Read only 10 Britten MCs were ever built due to Jon Britten's pre-mature death from skin cancer.  :'(
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: jbntx on January 10, 2015, 08:32:01 AM
I saw the Britten at Barber Vintage Motorsport Museum last fall, and it was great fun to get to study the bike up close. What an amazing piece of work!
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Muzz on January 10, 2015, 01:28:29 PM
Hear tell that in Feb this year they will have assembled at the Ruapuna Racetrack all of the 10 Brittens built! :drool :drool :drool

The sound of the #1 bike before they were made to put a noise moderator on was something to be believed. The ground literally vibrated (along with the ear drums)  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Blueboarhound on January 10, 2015, 03:15:12 PM
I think he wheelied the full straight after the horseshoe every lap.

I saw one ridden in anger at Daytona in the '90's. It's even better looking in person. I was sitting on the bleachers at the end of that straight after the International Horseshoe where it enters the dog leg and every time that thing went by.....just wow. I'm not sure which one of the 10 built it was but it was one of the blue and pink ones. And the sound.....f*ck me it was awesome. I was able to walk around it and kneel next to it in the pits and see all the trick bits and innovations, just an awesome piece of machinery. I have some photos around here somewhere that I took of it in the pits and on the track.
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: jbntx on January 10, 2015, 05:55:40 PM
This one is the one at Barber. The number on it is 82 and the name 'C. Huneycutt' is on the fairing.

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah213/jbntx1/IMG_0362_zpsc2d9b37b.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/jbntx1/media/IMG_0362_zpsc2d9b37b.jpg.html)

You could get close enough to touch it, but they discouraged that.

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah213/jbntx1/IMG_0436_zps06f2db32.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/jbntx1/media/IMG_0436_zps06f2db32.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Arizona Wayne on January 10, 2015, 08:48:48 PM
That's the 1 I sat on................w hen no one was looking at the old Barber Museum in downtown Birmingham.  :-X   Like I said earlier it felt smaller than it looks.  ???  Back then(`01) you weren't even allowed to take pics of Barber's bikes.  :D
Title: Re: Guzzi Vs Britten, BEARS, 1995
Post by: Blueboarhound on January 10, 2015, 10:58:27 PM
This one is the one at Barber.

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah213/jbntx1/IMG_0362_zpsc2d9b37b.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/jbntx1/media/IMG_0362_zpsc2d9b37b.jpg.html)

That is #7 of the 10 built.
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: Murray on January 10, 2015, 11:47:27 PM
That was cool! I wish they had the sound of the bikes, instead of that "porno music" during the race.
Rick.

The track os called "The Race" by Yellow.
Title: Re: RACE Moto Guzzi Daytona puts the heat on Britten great fun
Post by: Blueboarhound on January 10, 2015, 11:50:27 PM
Watch it from the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnjxoBQ6TQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnjxoBQ6TQ)


Not only does the Raceco Daytona get the holeshot but Lewis power wheelies down the start/finish straight.   :bow