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What is this Guzzi?
« on: May 03, 2021, 02:28:08 PM »
Anybody know what this is and is it worth saving? The motor is not frozen. A friend wants to give it to me and I am always open to taking on projects. I just think this is too far gone.


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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2021, 02:33:43 PM »
It depends on how badly you want to save it.. and your ability to do *all* the work.
Would I take it for free if I wanted a project? Not just yes, but Hell yes.
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2021, 02:36:54 PM »
It could easily turn into a 10 year or $10k project.
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2021, 02:38:08 PM »
Itís an Eldorado 850. Nice! It is worth saving. The motorís not frozen is a good thing! You could get it to be a fun beater with heavy patina! Time and money will take it as far as you want. I say flush the tank and the oils, clean the carbs and plugs, new battery, put in fresh gas and oil and some sea foam, and see if she starts. These bikes are hard to kill!
It may likely look worse than it is.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 02:40:46 PM by Kane »

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2021, 02:43:31 PM »
Civilian version Eldorado 850 5-speed.  Front drum brake.  Probably 1973 but could be 72.  Worth saving.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2021, 02:51:43 PM »
 I promise that the Michigan Guzzi contingent will come and haul that thing away .

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2021, 02:56:23 PM »
Worth saving ???
Too far gone ???
From here it looks pretty straight and at least itís indoors.
How do you think Fence Post or Canuck 750 would go with it ?  :popcorn:
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 02:58:14 PM by Huzo »

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2021, 02:57:41 PM »
Umm, chrome bores? Before starting, check for flaking.
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2021, 04:01:25 PM »
Anybody know what this is and is it worth saving? The motor is not frozen. A friend wants to give it to me and I am always open to taking on projects. I just think this is too far gone.



Definitely NOT too far gone, I've started with much worse. Parts and support are out there. Best source of information:
https://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe.html

Civilian version Eldorado 850 5-speed.  Front drum brake.  Probably 1973 but could be 72.  Worth saving.
What Patrick wrote ^^^.

Umm, chrome bores? Before starting, check for flaking.

Or better yet, just don't start it or even turn it over if it has chrome bores.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 04:07:30 PM by Antietam Classic Cycle »
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2021, 04:55:07 PM »
Anybody know what this is and is it worth saving? The motor is not frozen. A friend wants to give it to me and I am always open to taking on projects. I just think this is too far gone.

That looks no worse than what I started with.
If you think that is to far gone based on that one pic then it is probably to much for you plain and simple.

I see a nice bike in a dry storage, even the black looks like it would take a shine with elbow grease.
Even the wheels look good.

Is it worth saving, sure but by someone who wants to and for free you could most likely have a decent runner (unless it was parked due to some mechanical catastrophe) for $2500 all in, maybe less.
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2021, 07:33:33 PM »
If you have reasonable mechanical skills and are willing to invest at least $3K to make it a safe rider then go for it. I would take that on in a heartbeat. If you want it to be a full restoration plan on $7. - $10K.
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2021, 09:24:47 PM »




They are all worth saving.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2021, 09:37:04 PM »
As others have said, if you're willing to spend a few thousand bucks and out in the time and work, then yes, yes, YES!!!!!
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2021, 11:13:10 PM »
For sure it's worth saving, mine was much worse than that
https://ibb.co/album/0BggTz
I won't part with it now.

Tell me where it is and I'll ride it home LOL
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 11:25:41 PM by Kiwi_Roy »
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2021, 06:01:03 AM »
Thanks for the responses. Looks like I will have a new project then.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2021, 07:55:12 AM »
It took 3 years and $8000, but the Fence Post was definitely worth saving. I have been enjoying riding it a lot. This old Eldo seems like a real good candidate for saving and looks to be mostly, if not all, there. Do check those cylinders! Just plan on it taking awhile (unless you are retired) and costing more than you think it will.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2021, 08:10:23 AM »
I am retiring in July so I will have  nothing but time and money.. I been asked to teach the motorcycle courses for new riders, which I may do part time. Ive spent  the last 20yrs on a police motor both duty and in competition and still not burnt out yet.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2021, 09:12:31 AM »
Worth saving for sure. My concept of saving is different though, but it's true to the word. Buy it and save it (in storage)  :evil:
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2021, 10:01:02 AM »
I am retiring in July so I will have  nothing but time and money.. I been asked to teach the motorcycle courses for new riders, which I may do part time. Ive spent  the last 20yrs on a police motor both duty and in competition and still not burnt out yet.
Thatís dictation, after 5 years Iíd had enough of either too hot, too cold, too wet and tooooo dangerous. However after 40 years I still dream at least ever month or so that Iím going back to the PD a Motor Officer. It apparently had more of an impact on my life and career than I realized at the time.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2021, 02:17:23 PM »
Anybody know what this is and is it worth saving? The motor is not frozen. A friend wants to give it to me and I am always open to taking on projects. I just think this is too far gone.



Definitely worth saving! I think you are in danger of even getting your money back if you do! NO DOUBT! I would jump on it!
Just remember that chrome cylinders needs checking or/and replacing with nicasil ones.
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2021, 07:53:30 AM »
Those cylinders need checked all right. Oh, excuse me.. chucked.  :smiley: (or replated)
Here's the deal. If you truly *enjoy* this kind of work, it's a great project. That's why I said not only yes, but hell yes.
If you don't truly enjoy doing this kind of work, you'll never get it done. I've done a lot of this kind of thing, and as a hobby job, I'd say 6 months.
Yeah, I could probably have it running in a day. Don't even think of doing that. There is no oil filter, and some chrome from those bores going through the bearings will turn it into a real project.
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2021, 09:58:33 AM »
This bike has no filter for the oil? Pulling the top end off is no big job. I assume replacement cylinders and pistons are readily available still. I was thinking of just redoing the mechanicals and leave the rest as original. Just clean and polish. Replace the seat cover and foam with a repo.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2021, 10:23:25 AM »
This bike has no filter for the oil? Pulling the top end off is no big job. I assume replacement cylinders and pistons are readily available still. I was thinking of just redoing the mechanicals and leave the rest as original. Just clean and polish. Replace the seat cover and foam with a repo.

Correct, no replaceable filter, just a fine mesh screen on the pickup. Change the oil often.

Replacement cylinder kits are currently out of stock in the US, but Stein-Dinse has kits that they've put together:
https://www.stein-dinse.biz/product_info.php?products_id=3972
I recently installed a set of the same except with 88 mm bores - excellent quality, easily the equal of Gilardoni kits. S-D ships super quick and packages very well.

You plan sounds good to me. Harper's has both the foam and cover for the seat.
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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2021, 12:26:58 PM »
Put some petrol in your old engine oil and slosh it around in the sump pan or drain pan like youíre panning for gold, and look for chrome bits. This will give you a clue as to the condition of the chrome plate in cylinder bores.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2021, 05:34:07 PM »
Copy that. Thanks for the replys.

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Re: What is this Guzzi?
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2021, 05:49:00 PM »
This bike has no filter for the oil?

The engine case/block has the already cast in galleries that are not drilled so the later oil filter pan can be added with some machine work.



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