New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)

[Huzo]

We’ll all need to be a little cautious about poopooing the prospect of a new Guzzi coming.
Remember that sales flop they called the V85 ? When it was first mooted, most of the luminaries were seen to be rolling on the floor in rapturous laughter.
We all know how THAT worked out....

[LowRyter]

A fresh take on the Rosso Corsa would be easy enough

did someone say "LeMans" ?

[twowheeladdict]

You didn't specify anything except "small block, single disc?"

I was asking a question; IMO if it's just a rehash of the small block then why bother with the fuzzy photo if it's just a paint job and a couple of doodads?  The photo implies something so exciting that we want to keep it hidden until it's unveiling, and maybe (hopefully) that is what will happen.

And I'm not trying to go out of my way to be negative here, small blocks are fine, they are what they are and I'm glad they are making money from the bikes at this present time but the competition is moving on.

At least in the past, Guzzi tried to keep up with BMW but that is way in the distant past. Maybe they want to dominate Benelli for the time being?

I see more and more small displacement, lighter bikes coming from the competition. Yamaha now has 4 bikes based off the 700cc P-twin, and Kawasaki has a lot of offerings 650cc and below. If I were a smaller person I would have only small light bikes in my stable with my V7III the “super sport” in the stable. 😀

[Huzo]

Oddly enough I remember that differently , some of us were skeptical of the power claims .

 Dusty

Well mate.
If I had to I could pull up the responses...(but I respect Dan too much..)
You don’t need to rely on your memory, just pull up the thread and look at the first 4 pages......
This was from page #1

[rschrum]

I vote Rossa Corsa, with an Aprilia v4 turned sideways.

[Huzo]

 Ok Sultan.
The bit that comes after and is this.
Too many people have stated what they hope or wish might happen with regard to Guzzi releasing a new model and are digitally shouted down by those who take the position of knowing more than they do.
The following pages of that thread serve to prove my point.
Beetle, Roper, Dusty, and a plethora of supporters, combined one way or another to make lesser lights feel stupid for daring to dream.
However that was not their motive.
But.
When I suggested years ago that an 850 Le Mans could be produced and be slotted between the V7 and V9 to be named the V8, it was deemed laughable, you can check for yourself on “Why won’t they do it” thread.
Also.
I further predict that if you keep asking questions and I answer them (which I can..), the thread will get locked.
But I’m happy to play.

[Huzo]

How come one post by So Cv is signed Dusty and one is signed The Sultan ?
Also, why am I seen as an agitator when I point out an inconsistency or a double standard ?
Yes, it sounds like a very good plan, as long as I am not accused being a troll by anyone who feels threatened by my remarks..(present company excluded..  ).

Also, any comment I make, I am happy to have delivered back at me at the same or elevated level.
There is also another thing that occurs, whereby a detractor may engage you and when rebuffed, claim that the whole thing was a piss take.
Of course that does not apply here.
If you let me stop hereI will, in deference to Dan.

[Huzo]

Ok.
That makes a surprising amount of sense.

[Huzo]

  Most of us would be happy with a sporting roadster platform that could be turned into a sport touring mount or left naked .
85-95 Shetlands with a nice flat torque curve , 6 speed transmission , decent suspension , that still sounds and acts like a Moto Guzzi .

Ok then.
I agree wholeheartedly with that, is that a view that you genuinely (now) hold ?

[janguzzi]

You can find some info (rumors?) here:
http://forum.animaguzzista.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59418&sid=41b795c194d62a396e33d4a2ebbb846c

e.g.
1000 ccm V2 4V with dual overhead camshafts, liquid cooled

[Ncdan]

Who’s serve, I can’t remember 🤔😂😂😂

[Kev m]

I hope they make a smallblock LeMans 850 with a monoshock, USD forks, and dual-disc brakes.

Mostly to annoy all the people who think they shouldn't, but also because I think it would be great!

[s1120]

I hope they make a smallblock LeMans 850 with a monoshock, USD forks, and dual-disc brakes.

Mostly to annoy all the people who think they shouldn't, but also because I think it would be great!

Kinda like the racer should have been all along.

There has been so vary little info on this "new" bike that I wonder if the real delay is coming up with a idea... I could say what they should build, but what do I know.. Picture looks small and sporting, but it could just be a random "bike shape blur" used as a place holder. What I would LIKE to see? I kinda think a sport tour with a semi watercooled, 4 valve head 1400 based engine. I know its not going to happen, but I think it would be a cool ride, and a place where I think adding water cooling would be accepted.

[Kev m]

Kinda like the racer should have been all along.

 

[Scud]

I hope they make a smallblock LeMans 850 with a monoshock, USD forks, and dual-disc brakes.

Mostly to annoy all the people who think they shouldn't, but also because I think it would be great!

Yes... Available in Red, white, and Ice Blue, if you please. Oh look... I found a concept drawing:





 

Then, just for the hell of it, they can stuff a hot rodded 1400 motor in a CARC platform and call it the MGS-02. (For the record, I think this is a less realistic idea than an 850 LeMans).

[PJPR01]

Who’s serve, I can’t remember 🤔😂😂😂

Advantage Huzo I believe...then probably back to deuce a few more times says the court umpire.

 

[LowRyter]

Nothing against the small block.   But I would like to see a big block sport touring machine.  I was almost hooked on the 1400. 

Would I purchase one new?  No.  Given Guzzi's track record, I'd wait for a couple of years to see if they were reliable.  At my age, perhaps it would be never.   That's been the history for the last 20 years.  Don't blame the customers for being shy.

[blackcat]

If they are thinking of making a small block LeMans, please call it a Monza. 

[Huzo]

Have always held that opinion . The BB crank and rods are more robust than the SB's , and the bore/stroke dimensions of the Bellagio motor not only allow it to rev quite nicely they also help de-stress the motor . The two valve design was basically bulletproof , and while not as high zoot as a 4 valve design , what Chevrolet has done with 2 valve heads is pretty remarkable, we are only seeking 95 reliable HP , with a nice torque curve . Much simpler to do with a short stroke BB than trying to produce those numbers from an over stressed SB . Yes , it will be a bit heavier , but with some prudent application of modern metallurgy surely the weight can be kept under 500 LBS while maintaining simplicity and reliability . Water cool the heads , put modern shower head FI on it , modern cam profiles , etc .

 Dusty

Ok, that is all completely acceptable and I feel like I wrote 90% of it myself.
But wasn’t there a groundswell of opinion, that such a beastie would not sell because it would not be “competitive” ?
That was the (possibly correct), stance taken by the folks who were against the road MGS going head to head with the likes of a Desmosedici.
I don’t think pure performance is the draw card it once was.

[Huzo]

Nothing against the small block.   But I would like to see a big block sport touring machine.  I was almost hooked on the 1400. 

Would I purchase one new?  No.  Given Guzzi's track record, I'd wait for a couple of years to see if they were reliable.  At my age, perhaps it would be never.   That's been the history for the last 20 years.  Don't blame the customers for being shy.

That does seem a very fair approach to take LR..
However you’d have no problem achieving 100% reliability, because they’d all be in the showrooms and never have a breakdown...