Griso ABS

[leafman60]

Do any of the Griso models come with ABS? What about the 2015 models?

[smdl]

Current models do not, but it will be a requirement in Europe next year.  The local dealer tells me that Piaggio is adapting a very small ABS pump (Aprilia-based) for use on the Griso.

Cheers,
Shaun

[pauldaytona]

not on 2015 models

[Nic in Western NYS]

not on 2015 models

File under the heading "How not to be competitive in the marketplace"

[Vasco DG]

It doesn't really matter how small the pump is. There's still nowhere to put it unless they hang it out the front of the sump.

Pete

[pauldaytona]

or they put in a lipo4 battery

[bad Chad]

The Griso and big block Breva where spawned at the same time, and the Breva was set to go with ABS from the get go.  Because they where born brothers, I have to assume that the engineers forsaw the day the Griso would need ABS, and thus had a plan for it.

[pauldaytona]

The griso and breva were designed in 2003, ABS was't a big thing for anything other then big touring bikes.

[Mark111]

From my perspective ABS would be nice to have but is not essential and the lack of it will never impact the sales of this bike whilst it is available.
 
As Pete said there is nowhere to install the parts, you only have enough room on the thing to store a packet of gum.
Before it could be added there will need to be a major redesign and this is only likely if they bring out a totally new version.
Also for those who are going to buy a Griso I don't believe this would make jot of difference, as if you are buying a Griso it is because you want one irrespective of any failings or perceived limitations.
There are 50 other bikes out there with greater technology if that is your main requirement but none of them will ever be a Griso. (I know this sounds a bit wanky but that is how it is)
This is based on my experience as an owner of 2 Griso's and someone who has spoken to and associated with many other owners of this wonderful machine.

[Vasco DG]

And Mark is keen. His warranty claim for a roller top end was knocked back because the original owner was never given books and there was no official record of service. Sucks I know but I tried. ??? Luckily I've been able to source a kit for him for about half what they retail for here so at least it won't be cripplingly expensive!

Pete

[bad Chad]

The griso and breva were designed in 2003, ABS was't a big thing for anything other then big touring bikes.

Maybe so, maybe not.  But the Breva, a standard that makes a great road bike, but I wouldn't call it a "big touring bike" was engineered with ABS.  To think that they never considered it for the Griso, is in my opinion naive.

[Bill Hagan]

From my perspective ABS would be nice to have but is not essential and the lack of it will never impact the sales of this bike whilst it is available.
 
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Also for those who are going to buy a Griso I don't believe this would make jot of difference, as if you are buying a Griso it is because you want one irrespective of any failings or perceived limitations.
There are 50 other bikes out there with greater technology if that is your main requirement but none of them will ever be a Griso. (I know this sounds a bit wanky but that is how it is)

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From my perspective, that is not naiveté, but reality.  It's all about lust.  Even at my age, still works for me.  [No, I'll likely not mention this thread to Kathi, lest she see that and make some hurtful comment.   :D]

Bill

[Chuck in Indiana]

From my perspective, that is not naiveté, but reality.  It's all about lust.  Even at my age, still works for me.  [No, I'll likely not mention this thread to Kathi, lest she see that and make some hurtful comment.   :D]

Bill

Absolutely. The kid has a Grease O, and says nothing else does if for him. However, he was slumming in the new Ducati shop and saw a MV Brutale dragster... and is at least thinking about a dalliance.  ;D :BEER:

[pebra]

I got the Guzzi 2015 catalogue at an exhibition today.
It says the Griso 1200 8V SE has ABS.

[Vasco DG]

The catalog is wrong.

[sib]

The catalog is wrong.

It's not wrong, it just refers to a different model year.  What is called a 2015 model in most of the world will be marketed as a 2016 model in the USA.  The world 2015 models haven't arrived in the USA yet.  When they do, they'll have ABS.  Moreover, if by 2016 the Griso doesn't have ABS, it will not be allowed to be sold in Europe.  For that reason alone, all European bikes above 250 cc will have ABS, even the crotch rockets aimed at 20-somethings who think they're immortal.

[pauldaytona]

you are counting wrong way, If model 2016 in europe has abs, then model 2017 in the usa will have it. The 2015 europe model does not have abs.

[Vasco DG]

Behold! And before you ask the EU version is exactly the same.





Pete

[sib]

you are counting wrong way, If model 2016 in europe has abs, then model 2017 in the usa will have it. The 2015 europe model does not have abs.

Fair enough, but whatever the model year is called, all "new" motorcycles sold in Europe starting January 1, 2016 will have to have ABS.  There is some wiggle room for bikes not considered to be "new": they will have an extra year to comply, so there is a chance the Griso will be able to wait until January 1, 2017.  And, I was inaccurate about the minimum displacement triggering mandatory ABS.  Although the initial proposal was for above 250 cc, in the final rule it's 125 cc.  Smaller bikes must have either ABS or "combined" braking.

From what I can determine from the parts catalog and other info for for the V7II models, they use a Continental MK 100 MAB ABS unit, which weighs about 600 g (1.3 pound) and can be disabled by simply removing the fuse.  Things might be different for the Griso, especially if there are space constraints.  The law was first discussed in 2010 and voted in in late 2012, so presumably the manufacturers have figured out how to comply with it by now.

[dan407]

I got the Guzzi 2015 catalogue at an exhibition today.
It says the Griso 1200 8V SE has ABS.

Pete's right.
I went to Daytona today and picked up the 2015 brochure.
I can't find any reference in the brochure that the Griso 1200 8V SE has ABS.

By the way, the MG display and demo bikes are in the back of the Speedway.
They have about 10 Californias and 2 V7s that you can take demo rides on.
The MG representative said they were busy and all the bikes were going out with each demo ride.
Great to see that people are interested in MG.

From the front of the Speedway you can take a tram shuttle (near the HD display area) to get to the demo bike section.

MG  has a nice first class display with bikes you can sit on.
They have the new for 2015 Eldorado and a Audace.

[Vasco DG]

Fair enough, but whatever the model year is called, all "new" motorcycles sold in Europe starting January 1, 2016 will have to have ABS.  There is some wiggle room for bikes not considered to be "new": they will have an extra year to comply, so there is a chance the Griso will be able to wait until January 1, 2017.  And, I was inaccurate about the minimum displacement triggering mandatory ABS.  Although the initial proposal was for above 250 cc, in the final rule it's 125 cc.  Smaller bikes must have either ABS or "combined" braking.

From what I can determine from the parts catalog and other info for for the V7II models, they use a Continental MK 100 MAB ABS unit, which weighs about 600 g (1.3 pound) and can be disabled by simply removing the fuse.  Things might be different for the Griso, especially if there are space constraints.  The law was first discussed in 2010 and voted in in late 2012, so presumably the manufacturers have figured out how to comply with it by now.

No I'm not disputing the mandated requirement for ABS, simply saying that the '15MY bikes don't have it and I fear that the requirement may spell the death knell for the Griso. There simply isn't anywhere to put the pump, believe me, everything is already squished in so tight you can barely get a finger in anywhere and there is no fuel capacity to loose. Hopefully y they'll manage some sort of makeover and will be able to find somewhere to stick the pump but I'm buggered if I know where it'll be? Perhaps if they relocate the oil cooler they could mount the pump where the cooler housing is?

Pete

[Yeahoo Whoyah]

the requirement may spell the death knell for the Griso.

I've been lurking around over at the Griso Ghetto and that seems to be the prevailing opinion, the Griso is a goner after this model year. 

[Vasco DG]

If it isn't discontinued it'll need major changes to be compliant.

Pete

[pebra]

Seems there must be an error in the Norwegian catalogue then. Not that that's unlikely....
I'll get in touch with the importer.

[sib]

Maybe some clever engineer will figure out a way to incorporate the ABS stuff into the calipers.

[Vasco DG]

I hope that's a joke.

[rocker59]

No I'm not disputing the mandated requirement for ABS, simply saying that the '15MY bikes don't have it and I fear that the requirement may spell the death knell for the Griso. There simply isn't anywhere to put the pump, believe me, everything is already squished in so tight you can barely get a finger in anywhere and there is no fuel capacity to loose. Hopefully y they'll manage some sort of makeover and will be able to find somewhere to stick the pump but I'm buggered if I know where it'll be? Perhaps if they relocate the oil cooler they could mount the pump where the cooler housing is?

Pete

Since the Griso is long in the tooth, and due for replacement, I tend to agree that there may never be an ABS Griso. 

Unless the name is applied to a new platform.

[lucydad]

Just maybe, perhaps the boys in Mandello will release a new bike:  total redesign, brilliant, and beautiful with ABS and modern fueling, and around 100 hp, and no more than 450 pounds?  Could happen.  But the patience required in the USA is beyond my timeframe.  The Bellagio would work great, if ABS added.

[Vasco DG]

450lbs isn't possible with the current motive unit, really, it isn't. To think otherwise is pure fantasy.

I'd be overjoyed to see a 'Next Generation' Griso as long as it retains some character and doesn't end up as bland and soul-less as the Cappo 1200.

Pete

[sib]

I hope that's a joke.

Well, they thought it was a joke when someone proposed to make a computer that would fit into your shirt pocket, connect to the internet, run all day on a battery, have no typing keys, take pictures, play music, play movies, find where you are and map your route, and also make phone calls.