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I was intrigued by the new Triumph Tiger 800XCX at the Progressive Motorcycle Show. The Tiger seems to split the difference between my DR650 and the big ADV bikes, and looks to be less expensive to buy and maintain than the BMW F800GS. I don't need 2-up capacity, but I want something to pull both on and off-road duty that's more comfortable to travel distances with than the DR. Any opinions among the group?
The thing that gets me about the tiger is the engine. with 3 cylinders it's not going to have the torque that a twin does. It'll be smoother on the road, but other bikes will be better off-road. The ADV bikes are all about compromise, you just have to decide where you want to compromise.
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Wisconsin rally. What do I win? ;D
The other problem with the Stelvio is a matter of trust. Maybe premature valve wear and cracking fork legs are "niggling little issues" to some, but not to me. (I freely acknowledge that the factory has addressed these issues in recent model years, but I am not likely to buy a new motorcycle.) Iffy fueling, wonky wiring, a groaning clutch, and having to find full syn 10W60 oil while traveling off the beaten track may be minor annoyances, but they persist after several model years, and it is at least debatable whether the Stelvio's good qualities make putting up with these annoyances worthwhile.Then there is the fact that Moto Guzzi is once again falling behind the competition in tech. The Triumph XCX comes with multi-mode throttle, TC, and ABS, plus cruise control; the Guzzi has one throttle map (and even that one can be a bit problematic), a crude TC system, ABS is either on or off, and no cruise control.I won't debate the "character" issue. I too prefer v-twin and single motorcycles (which is all that I've ever owned), and there is just something about the Moto Guzzi big twins that appeals to me in a way that other motorcycles do not. I think the California 1400 shows that Guzzi can build a modern, reliable, competition-crushing motorcycle that continues with that appeal, but I don't want another California. What I think want at this point is a lighter, trimmer, more agile Stelvio, with all of the tech and quality of the new California 1400. The two questions in my mind are: How long will I have to wait for it? and, What do I ride in the interim?
Anyone care to compare riding positions Stelvio vs. Breva 1100?
Yeah, talk to me. Dean
So I enjoy the Breva position (which is similar to my old Bandit and RT) but might do better with a slightly more forward lean (maybe midway between Breva and Ducati ST). Inseam around 35", 6'3" 195. Nic
The pre-NTX Stelvio should be in the 500-pound range.
I have a hard time imagining the Stelvio (NTX or not) being less than 600#. Here is mine full of fuel- http://stelviontx.blogspot.com/2013/11/big-bikes-hit-scale.html660lbs with ~60lbs of that fuel. The skid plate, crash bars, case rack, and spoke wheels can't be that much over a standard Stelvio with cast wheels...
On my Breva setup I am leaning slightly forward. I'm interested in hear from someone who has riden both and their comments on the differences in riding position.Dean
I replaced my FJR with the NTX. It's more comfortable and a better long distance mount (for me). Very well done bike overall...