Author Topic: Are Guzzi's inherently more risk? (Read 17887 times)

charlie b · « **Reply #30 on:** March 22, 2015, 10:06:22 AM »

Quote from: john A on March 22, 2015, 08:56:06 AM

If you are an idiot running a motorcycle on a dyno and you blow it up you obviously blame the motorcycle. Idiots should be kept away from machinery and stick to basket weaving and less dangerous activities.

+10

I could blow up any bike on a dyno. Easy peasy.

OTOH, any bike can give up at any time. Idle, WOT, doesn't matter.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #31 on:** March 22, 2015, 10:18:45 AM »

I timed and installed a Daytona engine for Mark that had been rebuilt from a catastrophic failure. The guy said he was just idling to a stop. Believe me, it was grenaded. What happened? We couldn't tell.
*Any* machine can fail. Simple as that. Notice the TIO 550 above. They're pretty sturdy. ;D Almost as sturdy as a Guzzi. ~; ;D

Lannis · « **Reply #32 on:** March 22, 2015, 10:22:07 AM »

Quote from: Cam3512 on March 22, 2015, 05:53:11 AM

I'd expect that absurd question from a new guy with no clue, but you've been around a while.

You fall and bump your head recently?

I was sort of wondering that.

In six years since tazio has been on WG, there have been hundreds of thousands of posts. Hundreds of people have described MILLIONS of miles of riding on Moto Guzzis.

And there has not been ONE example of a cylinder head blowing off and hurting the rider, much less the guy on the next bike. It's simply never happened. If it DID happen, it would be huge news, with viral videos, analysis of the failure mode, and endless discussion.

I don't see why all that real-world experience should be thrown into question by ONE ignorant shop tech who was running his mouth just trying to play off his humors on you, or by one ignorant, prejudiced rider who didn't even know what a Moto Guzzi was, and who was just trying to express his bigotry toward something he didn't understand ....

So, no, Guzzis are not at any particular risk of blowing up and hurting someone. Ride the next few hundred thousand miles in confidence ... ! ;-T

Lannis

Lannis · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2015, 10:55:06 AM »

Quote from: oldbike54 on March 22, 2015, 10:31:56 AM

Uh , you guys are missing a salient point here . The Tazio was being facetious , he has been riding MG for a bit now .

Dusty

Dusty -

You HAVE to remember Rules #1 and 2.

1. "If you're joking, I'M joking.

2. "If you're serious, I'm serious!"

Lannis

Wildguzzi.com · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2015, 10:55:06 AM »

boatdetective · « **Reply #34 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:06:34 AM »

A good part of what i do for a living is failure analysis on marine engines/drive systems/rigging. Both the dealer as well as the rider are idiots. It would be virtually impossible for anything to shoot up through a valve cover- even with overhead cams. The only time you see something blow through a block is when the lower end of a connecting rod breaks free and creates an unintended "crankcase ventilation" port on the side of a block.

The aircraft engine failure looks to be a con rod bolt failure. You can see how the rod cap is opened up. One of the rod bolts is snapped off and the other still has threads. The threads are banged up- so that nut was not on the end of the bolt at the time of failure. My guess is tha tthe nut dropped, then the pounding of the crnk opened up the cap until the second bolt snapped. I've seen it before. I'm a bit surprised that an aircraft engine does not have some sort of lockwasher for rod nuts.

tazio · « **Reply #35 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:40:34 AM »

Bingo Mr.Lannis and Mr. Dust. (I've a queer sense of humor, "kneecaps"? ~Pisshaw!)
I have NO fear a Guzzi's blowing my dangly parts off!!
And my pal on a multi-cylinder bike can be forgiven as a '70 ambassador @ 80mph a few feet away does sound a little "busy" if it's not what you are used to,
and wise crack comments from friends are what we all laugh about down the road..
..But it does seem like our bikes are taken as easy marks from people in the motorcycle repair business, small shop owners or large.(excluding guzzi shops)
Just wondering, why? LOT'S of "Moto-Guzzi" ignorance floating around out there I'd wager.
Maybe our numbers are to small to worry about pissing off a few of us, doesn't make good business sense to me..
Anyway's, thanks for your responses! Long Live Moto~Guzzi!! :bike

oldbike54 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:43:10 AM »

Taz , if your sense of humor is queer , mine is positively twisted :D

Dusty

LowRyter · « **Reply #37 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:51:35 AM »

Joke all you want.

My $100 offer still stands. ;D

real U$ money

blackcat · « **Reply #38 on:** March 22, 2015, 12:17:34 PM »

Quote from: nc43bsa on March 22, 2015, 09:54:45 AM

IIRC, some CX100s had bad rods.

I had to rebuild my CX when the rod shell went south and proceeded to beat the crank. No warning whatsoever, I had no idea of the bike's history but it was in sad shape when I claimed ownership.

mtiberio · « **Reply #39 on:** March 22, 2015, 06:40:16 PM »

I know Blaine Paulus once had a rod poke a hole in his case during a race. I have hammered out 3 rod bearings/cranks, all repairable. Dropped valves, repairable. Exploded piston, not much left of motor was usable, but still no errant parts. Once I had a spark plug, whose hole must have been near stripped, come rocketing out while on the track. Now that could've hurt! Have seen a guzzi run with a broken crank, a broken tranny gear, loose timing gears, timing 45 degrees out, no pinion bearings left in rear drive (let alone debris in rear end), broken u-joints, 1.5 qts of oil. Fact is these things are ditch pumps that will run to within an inch of their life. That said, ANY motor can be destroyed by over reving or running w/o oil.

canuck750 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 22, 2015, 10:40:34 PM »

Quote from: john A on March 22, 2015, 08:56:06 AM

If you are an idiot running a motorcycle on a dyno and you blow it up you obviously blame the motorcycle. Idiots should be kept away from machinery and stick to basket weaving and less dangerous activities.

Precisely

!

Vasco DG · « **Reply #41 on:** March 22, 2015, 10:48:15 PM »

One also has to ask was this 'Blow Up' on a fresh engine or had some sad-sack simply brought their wheezing, clapped out, 200,000 un-maintained Km shitbox to the shop and said "I want to put this on the Dyno to 'See what she'll do!". If the latter I would suggest that the dyno owner should of explained the chances of a blow up and recommended against it. If they failed to do that? They are partly responsible. If they did say that and bugger-lugs still wanted to go ahead? Well? Well done him! Deserved everything he got!

Pete

oldbike54 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:04:29 PM »

Bugger-lugs ? Had to look that up , Pete , you are gonna have to stay in Brit slang or 'Strine slang so I can keep up .
😄
Dusty

Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .

Penderic · « **Reply #43 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:12:46 PM »

If you got the Racer with the chrome tank, well, it could be risky! ;)

boatdetective · « **Reply #44 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:20:28 PM »

Where do I find a mechanic like that and will she know how to fix my bugger lugs?

rodekyll · « **Reply #45 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:28:36 PM »

Quote from: boatdetective on March 22, 2015, 11:20:28 PM

Where do I find a mechanic like that and will she know how to fix my bugger lugs?

I don't care if she can fix them or not, as long as she's willing to practice.

Orange Guzzi · « **Reply #46 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:35:28 PM »

I was looking for Kawasaki carb parts and came across a blown Guzzi motor.

http://www.kompressor-guzzi.de/

Penderic · « **Reply #47 on:** March 22, 2015, 11:47:08 PM »

Me too!

Vasco DG · « **Reply #48 on:** March 23, 2015, 12:13:10 AM »

Quote from: Penderic on March 22, 2015, 11:47:08 PM

Me too!

Oh Christ on a Bicycle! ::)

rodekyll · « **Reply #49 on:** March 23, 2015, 01:15:04 AM »

Is the wall behind the pic from that movie about the fastest indian? Something about a shrine or offering to the gods of speed?

Perazzimx14 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 23, 2015, 04:28:35 AM »

I wonder how many shins and ankles BMW's have taken out over the years?

Rough Edge racing · « **Reply #51 on:** March 23, 2015, 06:26:10 AM »

The phrase "blow up" is almost always used for any sudden engine failure .A real blow up is the crankshaft laying on the ground or a rod through the block or other mechanical carnage...I've heard stories of heads blowing off..All 100 percent bullshit except for mega overstressed Nitro methane fueled race engines.... Well I do know a true Harley story where an old engine pulled out the cylinder base studs.. And the rider wedged wood between frame and head...and rode on....Something you can't do with a Guzzi ;D