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Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« on: February 12, 2016, 10:04:12 PM »
 Our local NPR station has been reporting on positive proof of the existence of gravitational waves . Einstein predicted the possibility of them 100 years ago . Geez , how amazingly brilliant was the man?
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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2016, 10:08:09 PM »
Very bright! But not perfectly so, he missed the call on Quantum Theory!

Now, can we learn to surf those things?
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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2016, 10:25:59 PM »
Very bright! But not perfectly so, he missed the call on Quantum Theory!

Now, can we learn to surf those things?

 Yes , on a Max Planck  :rolleyes:

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2016, 10:27:01 PM »
I don't think I could handle the weight of a Max; need a shorter Planck.

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2016, 10:52:32 PM »
Mind boggling. 1.2 billion years ago, and 1.2 billion light years away, two black holes each about 30 times as massive as the Sun executed their death spiral, releasing energy equal to three times the mass of the Sun in a fraction of a second. That energy outshone all the stars in the observable universe for that fraction of second, by fifty times.

And from here it all amounted to a comical little chirp.

So it goes.

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2016, 10:54:41 PM »
Ahh...

But if QM theory is valid - as it seems to be - then locality is an illusion caused by perceptions of spacetime limitations. And those great things happening way out there may be more important to us that we can currently observe.

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2016, 11:19:06 PM »
 We just don't want to appear Bohring  :rolleyes:

 Seriously , the thing that amazes me , Einstein and his peers jumped physics ahead hundreds of years. Very unusual in the world of science .

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2016, 11:21:44 PM »
Yes they did. All our current physics is built upon two bases: Relativity, and Quantum Theory. All our current work is in the area of confirmation and refinement. There has been nothing like the physics of the late 19th into the early 20th centuries.

(I kinda like physics)

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2016, 11:25:40 PM »
Truly is mind boggling. He was as they say "a bright cookie".

A couple of weeks ago I went to an exhibition of Leonadp Da Vinci models constructed from his drawings. Another bright cookie.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2016, 11:38:41 PM »
My heroes tend to be these bright cookies. Blazing beacons in the darkness of the world.

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2016, 11:46:56 PM »
Quantum physics makes my brain hurt. Einsteinian physics, I can get my head around.

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2016, 11:48:02 PM »
Is it QM's indeterminacy that is the problem?

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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2016, 11:50:40 PM »
My heroes tend to be these bright cookies. Blazing beacons in the darkness of the world.

Well, we all shine on, like the moon and the stars and the Sun!

Even when we move a hand we generate a gravity wave that ripples out forever, or almost forever.

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 11:51:43 PM »
Well, we all shine on, like the moon and the stars and the Sun!

Even when we move a hand we generate a gravity wave that ripples out forever, or almost forever.

Exact! All is connected. We are just beginning to grasp the depth of this concept.

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2016, 11:58:04 PM »
Is it QM's indeterminacy that is the problem?

Yes. The ramifications are mind boggling.

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2016, 11:58:31 PM »
Is it QM's indeterminacy that is the problem?

 That indeterminacy was why Einstein had his reservations , he liked things more clear cut .

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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2016, 12:00:24 AM »
You guys are wonderful.

Yes, Einstein hated QM indeterminacy. He ought to have embraced it! Only in a non strictly mechanistic universe could we have any version of free will, indeed an indeterminate universe demands it. Probabilities are the best of all philosophical roots.

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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2016, 12:08:40 AM »
 Laura , Einstein's greatest talent was his ability to design experiments that proved his theories . QM presents a roadblock in that regard , or did until recently . The Large Hadron collider will allow science to design experiments that will open up a whole new window into QM , maybe even leading to some form of unified theory . Seems we are entering another period of great advancement in our understanding of the universe , or universes .

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2016, 12:34:49 AM »
Only in a non strictly mechanistic universe could we have any version of free will,


This is where I bow out. Thanks for the brief interlude of high-brow discussion.  :thumb:

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2016, 12:48:00 AM »
Quantum physics is easy. Everything is just Bozos and Futons. :evil:
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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2016, 12:58:11 AM »
Quantum physics is easy. Everything is just Bozos and Futons. :evil:

 Oh , "futon torpedoes", now it all makes sense  :laugh:

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2016, 12:59:29 AM »
  It all works on PFM anyway.
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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2016, 07:06:02 AM »
Very bright! But not perfectly so, he missed the call on Quantum Theory!.....
Not giving the man enough credit.  He did get the Nobel, after all, for explaining the photoelectric effect, a purely quantum mechanical phenomenon. At the time, the Nobel committee wasn't quite convinced that general relativity was real.
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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2016, 07:17:12 AM »
Not giving the man enough credit.  He did get the Nobel, after all, for explaining the photoelectric effect, a purely quantum mechanical phenomenon. At the time, the Nobel committee wasn't quite convinced that general relativity was real.

I don't blame em. Quantum mechanics makes my head hurt, too..  :smiley:
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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2016, 07:30:44 AM »
To go from relativity to physics required a Quantum Leap....
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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2016, 07:35:37 AM »
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140624093246.htm
This is interesting , an unexpected result of quantum thinking
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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2016, 08:19:04 AM »
Exact! All is connected. We are just beginning to grasp the depth of this concept.

Personally, I'd describe that a little differently.
The ancient Shamans understood that " all was connected"
What we've been been doing since Darwin is proving and
documenting what they knew and using it in a different
way, with different perspective, outlook and purpose.

The Circle turns.

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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2016, 08:33:03 AM »
     There are very few real good mechanics around any more much less a quantum mechanic. Maybe they work on Beemers and Audis.
     I think the Native Americans had it right in that the universe is a big circle, they are descendants of ancient aliens you know.
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Re: Apparently Albert was really smart NGC
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2016, 08:36:55 AM »
     There are very few real good mechanics around any more much less a quantum mechanic. Maybe they work on Beemers and Audis.

 Roper is a "Quantas" mechanic  :huh: :rolleyes:

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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2016, 09:23:26 AM »
Roper is a "Quantas" mechanic  :huh: :rolleyes:

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