FJR vs Norge?

[Cool Runnings]

The new FJR has an adjustable seat, up/down, fore/aft. Reviews say it allows for more ego compliance.

March is just days away.

Dunno but if you wear Frankenstein sole boots that would also reduce legroom.

Or, get a cruiser, bagger or whatever and just stick your legs out ahead of you. Works for untold millions.

Hard on the lower back, had a cruiser for 10 years, big 850lb tank. 

[Cool Runnings]

Seats that adjust may or may not be the answer.  It's a great idea but if the stock seat is of poor design (which they often are) then the adjustment is for naught.

As information: I deal with literally hundreds of owners of custom seats of almost every brand.  Plenty of these riders own BMW or Triumph bikes that have a seat that will adjust.  These riders tel me over and over that a bad seat is a bad seat no matter what.

Yeah, seems like manufacturers almost always skimp on the seat (most important).

[Cool Runnings]

if you have no idea then we sure don't.

impulse... 

[fotoguzzi]

impulse... 

Oh I get it, that was me and the Buell too.. It was not a mistake for me ..

you need to put on some miles and get happy..

[Cool Runnings]

Oh I get it, that was me and the Buell too.. It was not a mistake for me ..

you need to put on some miles and get happy..

Yeah I know, it's my SAD acting up, need some sun and warm weather! 

I'm excited about the Norge, had the same cruiser for ten years and got sick of it, no fun in the twisties.

[LowRyter]

this is a thread to nowhere.

get a taller seat or get rid of it.

[Cool Runnings]

this is a thread to nowhere.

get a taller seat or get rid of it.

Russell all-day.

 STOCK SEATS SUCK AND MOST MOTORCYCLES ERGONOMICS SUCK FOR ANYONE OVER 6 FEET TALL!

[canuguzzi]

Get on a plane, fly to where the sun is shining, rent a motorcycle and maybe get out of the doldrums.

Rent a KTM that needs a step ladder to get on.

???

[JeffOlson]

I like the features and look of the new FJR. I think I would be happy with it. But my Norge makes me happy, too, at roughly half the price. (I would need the ES version, of course!)

I think many modern ST bikes are quite capable and satisfying. The problem we run into is picking one and sticking with it.

I have this problem with cars. I sold my older 750Li and now drive a new 228Xi. Both are perfectly capable and satisfying, but now that it is gone, I miss the 750Li. (I owned an older 745i but got worried about the transmission, so I sold it and bought a 328Xi, but hated it, so I sold it and bought the 750Li, but got worried about about the transmission, so I sold it and...)

[Cool Runnings]

Get on a plane, fly to where the sun is shining, rent a motorcycle and maybe get out of the doldrums.

Rent a KTM that needs a step ladder to get on.

???

NP, think about it, they are ripping us off. A $16k motorcycle and the stock seats suck! 

[Cool Runnings]

I like the features and look of the new FJR. I think I would be happy with it. But my Norge makes me happy, too, at roughly half the price. (I would need the ES version, of course!)

I think many modern ST bikes are quite capable and satisfying. The problem we run into is picking one and sticking with it.

I have this problem with cars. I sold my older 750Li and now drive a new 228Xi. Both are perfectly capable and satisfying, but now that it is gone, I miss the 750Li. (I owned an older 745i but got worried about the transmission, so I sold it and bought a 328Xi, but hated it, so I sold it and bought the 750Li, but got worried about about the transmission, so I sold it and...)

Yikes, you went from a 750Li to a 228Xi? Why didn't you just get a DODGE. 

[dguzzi]

Go home and think about what you have done. Don't make me come over there! (OP)

[Cool Runnings]

Go home and think about what you have done. Don't make me come over there! (OP)

 

Cheers, all in good fun. 

[dguzzi]

 

[NC Steve]

Forget the FJR, keep the Norge and get an ST1300. Less than $7K will get you a clean late model ST, just a helluva bike. V4 engine, extra smooth, tons of HP and torque, will travel all day every day at 85mph and deliver 50+ mpg, with a 300+ mile range. All of the plastic is easy to remove, with consistent 8mm fasteners. Battery and all fluids are accessible under the seat, and even the integrated bags can be removed in less than 2 minutes. And you can't beat Honda's dealer network and reliability. I sure miss the hell out of mine!

[NC Steve]

Better yet, sell the Norge, get the ST1300, and buy a Griso!

[Cool Runnings]

Forget the FJR, keep the Norge and get an ST1300. Less than $7K will get you a clean late model ST, just a helluva bike. V4 engine, extra smooth, tons of HP and torque, will travel all day every day at 85mph and deliver 50+ mpg, with a 300+ mile range. All of the plastic is easy to remove, with consistent 8mm fasteners. Battery and all fluids are accessible under the seat, and even the integrated bags can be removed in less than 2 minutes. And you can't beat Honda's dealer network and reliability. I sure miss the hell out of mine!

Those early ones were such wretched leg-cookers, many Iron-Butt riders sold em.

[Cool Runnings]

Better yet, sell the Norge, get the ST1300, and buy a Griso!

The ST1300 is the most boring motorcycle I can think of. 

[NC Steve]

Those early ones were such wretched leg-cookers, many Iron-Butt riders sold em.

Are you referring to the ST as a leg cooker?

I had heard that about the 1st Gen FJRs...

[Cool Runnings]

Are you referring to the ST as a leg cooker?

I had heard that about the 1st Gen FJRs...

Yes, BUT not at the levels the early ST1300's produced.

100 F day wearing jeans and you would have a couple KF chicken legs. 

[Huzo]

Cool running a hit it squarely on the head, Hondas do the job very well, sensibly designed and have the reputation to never break down, sorta like a Tupperware dish, in fact exactly like a Tupperware dish. Here's the thing as I see it though, If our Guzzis didn't have deficiencies and quirks we'd have bugger all to talk about that was worth the data it took to post. Geez, can you imagine if we all rode Hondas and the like?, how would the forum be, I can see it now. Huzo's mods? don't bother reading it, because the bike's already perfect. How about Norge Pilot, "How's your st 1100 NP ?"..... "Good Huzo"......"Oh.... Good".  Cool Running posts " Anyone know how to do the tappets on a VFR 1200 ?"..........."Nup.. never had to, says Rocker, mine's only done 250,000 k" won't have to before I die so I didn't bother learning".....Blah, Blah BLAH !!!!!!   See I think what we really have become is little boys that (mostly) became big boys, who stopped playing in the sand pit comparing toy trucks, "you show me yours and I'll show you mine" sort of deal, and our toys just got bigger and more expensive, we're just comparing what we are proud of, familiar theme as little boys do. The fact is that we "need" our bikes and our bikes "need" us, ' cos without more or less constant attention they'll slow down and stop, that sorta applies in both directions, our Guzzis are a reflection of who we actually are ourselves, more so than so called "perfect" bikes are to their owners. We want to work at improving our bikes because we recognise that they need to be. You can bet your flat tappets that if you had a gorgeous Italian girlfriend that everyone was jealous of, you'd be sick to death of her eventually if she always said "yes dear" "no dear" and never played up ( read Honda),eventually you'd want her to throw an Italian hissy fit so you knew you were alive. It's the fact that our bikes are demonstrably  imperfect that we like them so much and our perceived knowledge gained over many years and miles gives us our status and pleasure.... ( I think), could be wrong though, some one'll tell me if I am ,I'm sure.

[PJPR01]

...if you had a gorgeous Italian girlfriend that everyone was jealous of, you'd be sick to death of her eventually if she always said "yes dear" "no dear" and never played up ( read Honda),eventually you'd want her to throw an Italian hissy fit so you knew you were alive.

As long as the math equation holds true:

Fx (Beautiful Italian Girlfriend) ^2 > = Maintenance of Said Girlfriend - you've got a winner...

When Said Maintenance exceeds Fx (Beautiful Italian Girlfriend)  - it's time to change!

If and when Guzzi = Italian Girlfriend = solve for Fx in above equation!   

[Cool Runnings]

2015 FJR1300A $15,890*

2016 FJR1300A $16,390 - Cobalt Blue - Available February (49st), March (CA)

[Huzo]

^ NP is right on. Ride what you really like. Life is too short, and there are too many great alternatives, to settle for a motorcycle that doesn't light your fire.

Wasn't that a quote from Canuguzzi ? Who is NP ?

[fotoguzzi]

Wasn't that a quote from Canuguzzi ? Who is NP ?

Norge Pilot, gone now I think..

[steven c]

 Say what you will about Hondas but I know a few Guzzi long time owners who also have Hondas if they needed to go cross country today it wouldn't be on the Guzzi....

[blackcat]

I let a friend of mine, ride my Daytona and I rode his Goldwing and I couldn't wait to give it back to him. If I have to ride only the slab cross country, I'll buy a Miata.

[Huzo]

Say what you will about Hondas but I know a few Guzzi long time owners who also have Hondas if they needed to go cross country today it wouldn't be on the Guzzi....

I hope you're not right there. I've got a Yamaha 900 Diversion and a BMW R1200 GS and I'm riding to the Nordkapp on my Norge next week! I'm taking the Guzzi 'cos I don't want to "play it safe", your grandma could do it on the GS. I know if I don't do it on the Guzzi, the trip will just be "vanilla" and " beige" without the spark that the Italian bike brings.

[lorazepam]

Say what you will about Hondas but I know a few Guzzi long time owners who also have Hondas if they needed to go cross country today it wouldn't be on the Guzzi....

I crossed the country on a CalVin, and had  great time. Windshield buffeting kind of sucked, but I got over it.

[Huzo]

Get on a plane, fly to where the sun is shining, rent a motorcycle and maybe get out of the doldrums.

Rent a KTM that needs a step ladder to get on.

???

Canuguzzi, you don't need to "rent" a bike... are you there ?