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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2017, 07:12:23 PM »
Leave it to the internet to debate something for longer than it takes to just fix it along the roadside.







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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2017, 07:24:39 PM »
So, Wayne.. you decided to fix it on the side of the road because it hadn't failed..?  :smiley:

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2017, 07:38:34 PM »
So, Wayne.. you decided to fix it on the side of the road because it hadn't failed..?  :smiley:
Again, that's a Tonti tank, so it's a hose and not a filter, which is not the same thing I've been talking about from the start.

You're the one who decided to lump them into the same category despite the fact that they seem to effect different series of bikes.
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2017, 10:48:35 PM »
Leave it to the internet to debate something for longer than it takes to just fix it along the roadside.







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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2017, 10:53:26 PM »
Again, that's a Tonti tank, so it's a hose and not a filter, which is not the same thing I've been talking about from the start.

You're the one who decided to lump them into the same category despite the fact that they seem to effect different series of bikes.

 Wait , I don't remember even seeing that picture or making that post . In fact I wasn't anywhere near a computer at the time . Something isn't right here .

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« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2017, 11:01:49 PM »
 Not sure what happened here , but I in fact did not see that picture of Wayne or make the post about it . Gonna lock this down and check with Luap .

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2017, 01:08:07 PM »
this is a test..
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2017, 01:10:16 PM »
We'll file this under "Some things are not to be understood.."  :grin:
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2017, 01:11:32 PM »
this is a test..

 OK, maybe we are back to normal .

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2017, 02:08:29 PM »

 OK, maybe we are back to normal .

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To get 'back to' mustn't you once have been?  :tongue:
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2017, 04:00:44 PM »
Again, that's a Tonti tank, so it's a hose and not a filter, which is not the same thing I've been talking about from the start.

You're the one who decided to lump them into the same category despite the fact that they seem to effect different series of bikes.

 So now that we have established that for some reason Chuckie is somehow posting as me , take it up with him  :evil:

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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2017, 04:17:57 PM »
To get 'back to' mustn't you once have been?  :tongue:

Uhhh, Why be normal?  :smiley:
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2017, 04:23:54 PM »
Ok so the number of failed plastic filters remains at 2 so far.
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2017, 04:32:14 PM »
2003 FI system, metal external filter, in a box on the shelf.  I remove it and about 5 pounds of hoses years ago.  Small inline filter from pet cock to fuel pump.  Plastic.   

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2017, 04:42:32 PM »
The hose slipped off the pump on my 04 Cali Stone just last month. When I opened up the tank, the zip tie holding the filter in place had slipped off, so the filter had been flopping around free in the tank long enough to rub a hole in the side of its all-metal body. I could tell it wasn't the first time it happened on this bike because there was a worm screw-type clamp where the hose had come off.

When I put it back together, I heeded all the dire warnings about using submersible, high-pressure, ethanol-resistant hose, and I picked up some fancy Motion Pro  hose at the dealer, $10 for a foot. That got me about 10 miles before I heard a loud FOOP inside my tank and the bike quit. When I opened the tank again, the hose hadn't slipped off, it had actually blown up like a balloon and burst! :shocked: This time I put in some dollar-a-foot snowmobile fuel line, and it seems to be holding up. I'll see if I can get my 10 bucks back for the 'high pressure' hose.
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2017, 05:43:03 PM »
You need to use this spec of hose. 30R10 has to be stamped on the hose. Others will swell and leak.

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2017, 06:11:07 PM »
my filter ( 1200 sport) failed at 10,000 miles
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2017, 08:00:43 PM »
Filter on my 1200 Sport failed at 25,000 miles, little over two years of use (new old stock bought in 2010. Don't know when it was first fueled or set up).
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2017, 08:12:31 PM »
Ok so the number of failed plastic filters remains at 2 so far.

 Kev , you can't count . 5 failures , and 4 or 5 that were swollen and going to fail . So who has the distorted view ?

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2017, 08:26:11 PM »
Don't confuse him with facts, Dusty..  :evil: although Kev *will* change his mind when offered irrefutable evidence.  :smiley:  :thumb: Unlike many that just ignore whatever they don't believe.. <shrug>
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2017, 08:51:38 PM »
Don't confuse him with facts, Dusty..  :evil: although Kev *will* change his mind when offered irrefutable evidence.  :smiley:  :thumb: Unlike many that just ignore whatever they don't believe.. <shrug>

 Wait , is this you , or is this me , or someone else pretending to be you  :shocked:

 Yeah , Kev has a college degree , surely he can count  :evil: Actually there have been other cases also , some of the victims have left the brand over the issue , and some have just dropped off the board . :food:

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2017, 05:25:46 AM »
Kev , you can't count . 5 failures , and 4 or 5 that were swollen and going to fail . So who has the distorted view ?
I'm up to three actual failures with the post before yours I quoted.

As for 4 or 5 that were swollen and "going to fail' that's not been proven. I already explained my swollen filter held 120 psi of pressure, that's 3 to 4x the pressure of the EFI system. That's after 3+ years in ethanol. Would it have failed? Would the others?

I'm just looking for an honest count.

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2017, 06:35:31 AM »
When I upgraded the V7C's tank to the metal 21L one, the original filter (metal/plastic) was still operating well & not swollen, if discoloured after some 6 years & 164,000 km. Of course when I put the secondhand Nevada pump in the metal tank, I also changed the filter to an all metal one & a new hose (Gates SAE 30R10). The old filter from the Nevada was discoloured but not swollen either. Bear in mind that over here in Oz, it's easy to avoid using ethanol fuels, so most don't. Note that a reputable & experienced Guzzi mechanic has told me that the fuel filter is a service item & rated for change at 20,000km.

I can bring to mind at least 3 Cali's & one 1100 GRiSO whose in-tank fuel LINES have collapsed & required replacement. I have heard of more. I do know Cali riders who carry a length of hose & a couple of clamps in their tool kit.
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2017, 08:34:49 AM »
 So Kev , if a tire has a large bubble on its sidewall but is still holding air has it failed or not ? You still can't count , 11 failures , and no I am not counting hose failures .

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2017, 09:54:05 AM »
Better quit poking the bear, Dusty.. you might get yourself banned.  :smiley: :thewife:
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2017, 10:43:26 AM »
So Kev , if a tire has a large bubble on its sidewall but is still holding air has it failed or not ? You still can't count , 11 failures , and no I am not counting hose failures .

 Dusty

If 120 PSI dusty, jezus key rist, if you can't f'n see that a plastic fuel filter that swells a little is not the same as a tire with an obviously defective area that you can pop with a friggin pin than I can't help you.

I see why your numbers are so off, you're not counting failures, you're counting witches dancing naked in the moonlight around a autistic kid who they think was made so by a -.

You're ASSuming that a filter which is YEARS old and has tens of thousands of miles on it, but still manages to hold pressure at a level 3 or 4 times what it needs to in normal service WILL beyond the shadow of a doubt fail therefore we're just going to count it as failed.

I guess we can say that every Moto Guzzi ever built is defective since there's no doubt that someday every single one of them will eventually fail.

Ugh, I'm outta here nothing going to be learned from this charade.
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2017, 10:55:26 AM »
What we have here is a failure to communicate!
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2017, 10:56:24 AM »
 Sorry if you can't count Kev  :laugh: I am curious , if you saw a filter that was swollen would you simply put it back in service or replace it ? What would be your advice in that situation ?

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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2017, 12:20:38 PM »
Geez Louise!  Dusty, my good friend that horse you're beating died awhile ago...   :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu

failed
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2.
(of a mechanism) not functioning properly; broken-down.
"an aircraft with a failed engine"


Filter or Tire.  If it's still working, it hasn't failed.

It might fail in an hour, a day, or a year.  If it's still filtering fuel, or going round and round, it hasn't failed.

I figured some of our scientists, engineers, or philosophers around here would've mentioned this point already...
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Re: Failed fuel filter/line question and data collection
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2017, 12:29:49 PM »
Bike: 07 Nevada.
Had the ridiculous clear plastic hose with no clamp fail at about 3 or 4 hundred miles. I changed to the metal fuel filter at around 16000mi after reading here; it was swollen and looked like a "pumpkin", but was working, and seemed hard.
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