I'm trying to simplify and want to thank you all

[Triple Jim]

I certainly wouldn't hand my crankshaft over to a machinist and say "I want this ground .010 undersized.   And let me tell you how I want to do it; plus, I know about setting these things up so I'm going to watch and make sure you do it OK - I saw it on the Internet!"

I've had a couple crankshafts reground.  I do research ahead of time, and make measurements with my 2"-3" micrometer so I know how much needs to be removed.  Then I go to the machinist with the crank and explain what I'd like him to do, letting him know that if he sees a flaw in my plan that I'd like him to tell me.  Then when I get the crank back, I use plastigage to check the bearing clearances before closing up the engine.  To put it back together and install in in the vehicle without checking the clearances would be grossly negligent in my opinion.

But I don't see much parallel to my relationship with my doctor(s) because I'm not trained in doctorin' like I'm trained in machining.  I do believe that doing some reading about the relevant medical subjects allows me to ask intelligent questions and helps me make informed decisions about my health though.

[rodekyll]

When I first took the 1000SP to LA.. without a GPS, I'd still be like the man called Charlie that rode the MTA. 

Kingston Trio?

[rodekyll]

At my shop there's a big sign above the door:

SHOP RATES:

$60.00 per hour
$80.00 per hour if you watch
$100.00 per hour if you help

I certainly wouldn't hand my crankshaft over to a machinist and say "I want this ground .010 undersized.   And let me tell you how I want to do it; plus, I know about setting these things up so I'm going to watch and make sure you do it OK - I saw it on the Internet!"

I can stay perfectly well up to date on my health without the Internet.

And I could never get into a "Google" car.   If Google has been monitoring my posts on various sites over the years, they'd drive my car straight off a cliff .... 

Lannis

That's the same sign I had over my shop door.  And you know what?  There are a FEW customers who do insist on directing my work -- where and how to work on the problem that THEY decided it was, and even which tools to use  , on account of they got some time in at the service department of the local Sears and Roebucks, pulling minimum wage to plug new circuit boards into big screens, per workorder. 

After listening to a guy describe his problem and spending about 90sec troubleshooting, I told him what was wrong.  He FORBADE me to go straight to it, because he'd just fixed that, and his work was beyond inspection.     I had to do the entire troubleshooting tree over two days with him panting  in my ear, and PROVE the problem could be nothing else, before I was allowed to do the 15-minute fix.  He only wanted to pay the 15 minutes, and called me a liar when I told him that the problem was his sloppy work -- even though he was there beside me when I fixed it.  I charged the two days at the "whiner rate". 

They giggle and joke about the three shop rates coming in, but when the time runs long because of their interference, they whine and moan that the $100/hr on the sign was dead serious.   If you want to obstruct my work and tell me what not to do, then yes, you need to pay for the wasted time. 


I feel better now, thanks.

[Lannis]

  To put it back together and install in in the vehicle without checking the clearances would be grossly negligent in my opinion.

Well, that's good, but if I pay an expert machinist, who is ALWAYS going to be someone that has been recommended to me and that I've met and evaluated personally, and I get him to machine something to some ten-thousandths of an inch ...

... why, after paying all that money, would I go trying to check behind him with my non-professional tools and gauges to "see if he did it right"?   I might as well take my new Subaru to pieces and gauge the crank journals to see if THEY did it right.

Oh well, these analogies are starting to fall apart anyhow ....

Lannis

[Chuck in Indiana]

Kingston Trio?

Yep..  and probably before them. But it is true. The *first* time you are on the LA interstate system and try to go to an address.. much less just get off at the correct exit is more than daunting trying to do it with a map.
You have to know where you are going and be in the proper lane well before getting off.
Or die. 

[Randown]

There's the misinterpretation right here...

I'm just giving counterexamples to the "There Was No Life Fit To Live Before Smart Phones" vibe that people seem to be on...   

Lannis

More accurately the tenor has been...

Recognize the good & bad - the good is too important to throw out with the bad.

I think it's unanimous that, as ITSEC said, tech is a double edged sword. Until AI comes of age & kills off mankind we'd all do good make it work for us. Have a nice day.   

[Lannis]

There's the misinterpretation right here...


More accurately the tenor has been... "Recognize the good & bad - the good is too important to throw out with the bad."


I think it's unanimous that, as ITSEC said, tech is a double edged sword. Until AI comes of age & kills off mankind we'd all do good make it work for us. Have a nice day.   

And in a lot of areas, I guess I disagree that the "good" is so good that it shouldn't go away with the "bad".   

And AI is only going to kill those who enslave themselves to it ... assuming it ever happens.   Been predicted for a long time - SKYnet went live 18 years ago, for heavens sake ....

Lannis

[charlie b]

First, I embraced this technology from the beginning.  I like it and use it a LOT.  I wish it had come sooner, would have made my research years SOOO much easier.

I love my phone and computer.  I have to say that I enjoy the ability to be able to look up just about anything when I want to.  Yep, even in the middle of a conversation.

Yes, it puts a stop to those arguments about whether a 1957 Chevy came with a 4 barrel from the factory.  Instead of the back and forth, ending in some sort of wager or anger, the answer is right there.  Or the wife can look at something on a shelf and say, 'I wonder if they make it in red'.  Yep, 20sec later we know.

When my father-in-law was diagnosed with AML we could find out exactly what it was, courses of treatment and possible outcomes.  Better to plan the action of the family for the next months.  I can still recall when the doc thought I had melanoma.  Took me many evenings at several university libraries to find medical journals on the disease and how it was treated.  And most were old and out of date.  These days you can get current information with much less work.

Facebook.  Yep, when the kids first moved away it was great.  We could see what they were doing on a regular basis.  They (and we) eventually dropped it and text/email/call on a regular basis.

Email/text.  Probably the best thing yet for me (no, not while driving).  Saved me numerous business trips.  Same with video conferencing.  Also allows me to send information to many people at once, instead of trying to connect with each by phone over the course of a few days.

I do see how it can become addicting.  Like television or reading, it can take over your life if you let it.

[Chuck in Indiana]

[elvisboy77]

Best wishes to you.  Enjoy the quiet.  The online world today (WG excluded) is full of hatred, lies and stupidity.......so it is a handy reflection of the physical world.  If you look, you can also find love, truth and intelligence- sometimes my eyes get tired and my battery runs out looking for it, especially lately.

Cheers.

[Guzzistajohn]

I wonder how long this thread go on after Muley has gone to the dark side? Glad I could share my pork butt and kraut recipe with you Muley!

[rocker59]

I wonder how long this thread go on after Muley has gone to the dark side? Glad I could share my pork butt and kraut recipe with you Muley!

He told me to delete the thread tomorrow, during the eclipse.

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[Guzzistajohn]

He told me to delete the thread tomorrow, during the eclipse.

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