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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2022, 03:06:57 AM »
That looks like a good outcome, don't leave us in suspenders for to long. The ride up and chafe a bit.

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2022, 03:41:50 AM »
That looks like a good outcome, don't leave us in suspenders for to long. The ride up and chafe a bit.
Messed around with some remnants of left over wiring from a Power Commander I once had pre Roper.
I THINK the GND (ground) warning on the DTC readout, suggests power interruption, not short circuit, but I cannot justify that very well because a blown fuse suggests the short circuit.
Anyway, going back down to Frenchfrog’s (Christopher) to attend to it properly in an actual workshop.
Again, thanks to one and all, equally..
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2022, 04:47:50 AM »
Bravo H  :thumb:
Hopefully once you get it into a dry well lit workshop the permanent fix will become clear
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2022, 05:07:23 AM »
Bravo H  :thumb:
Hopefully once you get it into a dry well lit workshop the permanent fix will become clear
On ya’ Tris.
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Re: Europe trip trouble
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2022, 06:57:43 AM »
Did a couple of things and this happened… https://youtu.be/ijK8IAQgvIc
I’ll elaborate later, thanks to one and all.
Peter.

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2022, 07:18:27 AM »
Nice work. It was fun to watch from the bleachers. Yet another story for your dotage Huzo.
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2022, 09:23:17 AM »
The bike was perfect.
I turned it off to answer a question and from then on it did this.

Those situations are maddening!!!!

In those situations, my first thoughts are "WTF?  Are you effing kidding me?"

Since it happened in a pretty good location, you might be getting rewarded for good Karma.  Or you might be getting punished for bd Karma.

or it might be based souly on the hardware involved and the laws of physics.

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2022, 09:25:06 AM »
Did a couple of things and this happened… https://youtu.be/ijK8IAQgvIc
I’ll elaborate later, thanks to one and all.
Peter.

What a great looking bike!  I was hoping to hear some Strayan commentary...... hopefully with enough of an accent that I have to access the Universal Language Translator that comes on all computers these days....

"SUONO?"
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2022, 11:47:21 AM »

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2022, 12:58:27 PM »
Happy to see this!! WOO-HOO Huzo!   :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2022, 01:32:33 PM »
it sounds like you are running again, congratulations
my wife was watching an Australian cooking show when i fired up your video, much cheering from the TV

in a situation blowing fuses the pump is powered up alone when you turn the key ON it only draws about 5 Amps normally but will draw up to 9 with the outlet blocked, still shouldn't blow the fuse.
its only later when you crank the the injectors and coils fire up
if anywhere on the red wire is grounded of course the fuse will blow.
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2022, 02:31:11 PM »
I've just looked at the wiring diagram tha Roy put up and spotted something.
The 15A fuse amongst other things seems to feed the speed sensor too.
My old 05 B1100 dropped dead the morning after I'd been riding in the rain, and after a 3 month marathon of checking and much frustration tracked it to the speed sensor shorting out.
If you're initial thoughts don't bear fruit have a look at the speed sensor,  but bear in mind it might be drying out and giving you a false sense of security.
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2022, 12:15:50 PM »
What a great looking bike!  I was hoping to hear some Strayan commentary...... hopefully with enough of an accent that I have to access the Universal Language Translator that comes on all computers these days....

"SUONO?"
The irony has not escaped me, but translated into Italian it means “Beautiful sound….” :rolleyes:

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2022, 12:18:46 PM »
  Gotta love a "Happy ending"    Karma Baby...
Yeah “happy ending…” (a hundred lines and I can’t use one of them..)

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2022, 12:25:06 PM »
While doing some preventative maintenance at Frenchfrog’s home, I took off the tank and the airbox.
Is this unit on the front of the airbox, the evap canister ?


If so, can I remove it or is there a consequence ?
« Last Edit: October 09, 2022, 12:26:08 PM by Huzo »

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2022, 12:41:14 PM »
Isn’t that the oil breather?
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2022, 02:17:08 PM »
Isn’t that the oil breather?
Dunno mate.
Just a square black plastic thing… :popcorn:

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2022, 02:27:33 PM »
I looked it up, yep it’s the breather so no you can’t get rid of it.
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2022, 05:15:12 PM »
While doing some preventative maintenance at Frenchfrog’s home, I took off the tank and the airbox.
Is this unit on the front of the airbox, the evap canister ?


If so, can I remove it or is there a consequence ?

That's the crankcase breather.
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2022, 05:30:53 PM »

 The Evap cannister is unmistakable.  Has a hose running into the top and another out the bottom.   Fits gently into the tail space of the norge rear underseat.  First thing I cut out when I brought it home reclaiming the valuable real estate for other more important items.
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2022, 07:23:45 PM »
Yeah “happy ending…” (a hundred lines and I can’t use one of them..)

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2022, 06:51:27 AM »
Life is so unfair!!!!!
Sometimes SRE, it’s what you DON’T say… :wink:

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2022, 11:27:59 AM »
Well.
Had another bout of trouble involving triangles of death and complete stoppage in city traffic.
Pushed the bike 1.2 km back to the Hotel and spent a sleepless night wondering how it would all pan out. The battery was going flat and all sorts of warnings were going off…I think I got a 1202 alarm, so must be circuit boards from the old Apollo stock…!
Anyway, I went out in the morning to see if the bike would start or did I have to walk to the shop for my new battery which I was sure was rooted.
Pushed the button and she fired..!
Once I got to the shop I purchased a new battery and disappeared off for 4 hours while it was being activated and charged. I would have liked to follow Pete’s tutelage and let the acid soak into the mat, but they were closing and I only had the 4 hours.
So while I was preparing the space for the battery I happened to turn over a fuse block and I saw this….



I don’t know if burning plastic insulation and blown fuses would contribute to unreliability issues, but I’m going with it for now… :rolleyes:
Anyway.
It’s because I moved the small fuse box from the back under the seat to free up some space and displaced the (now) affected one to a less suitable spot, the insulation had become non flexible in the warm under seat environment and split, allowing the bare wires to rub together with predictable results…
I’m lucky I didn’t set fire to the poor bugger…What a tool…!
So tomorrow it will be an easy fix to strip the wires back a bit to the good clean stuff and locate the fuse block properly, I am with Francois who lives in the countryside in Auvergne.

Except for the blown CARC which I don’t think you can pin on the bike as such, I have never had an issue with the Norge that I did not contribute to in some way.
I have learned a big lesson here….
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2022, 01:28:04 PM »
At least you spotted it before it set fire to the bike!!!
And another easy fix too...

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2022, 04:08:02 PM »
Good to hear you may have found the culprit...I'm shocked, I mean shocked that you had a Power Commander on it.  I thought those were verboten in Australia! 

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Apart from these few mechanical issues, I'm sure you're having an amazing time!!!
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2022, 04:34:35 PM »
Good to hear you may have found the culprit...I'm shocked, I mean shocked that you had a Power Commander on it.  I thought those were verboten in Australia! 

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Apart from these few mechanical issues, I'm sure you're having an amazing time!!!
That was pre Roper and Beetle.

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2022, 06:00:42 PM »
That was pre Roper and Beetle.

I figured as much...just joshing a bit!  :)
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2022, 07:14:17 PM »

Except for the blown CARC which I don’t think you can pin on the bike as such, I have never had an issue with the Norge that I did not contribute to in some way.
I have learned a big lesson here….

Luckily, there is a youTube video to instruct you on how to fix almost any problem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4q6eaLn2mY
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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2022, 02:18:28 AM »
Hey…!
That 1202 alarm that I got might have been correct, my brain circuitry was overloaded at the time just like the ‘11 crew.
Also come to think of it, I was looking into the tank when I smelled the hot plastic.
Like the ‘13 crew, I was (technically speaking) “stirring the tank” when I got the short… :popcorn:

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Re: Europe trip trouble
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2022, 11:48:58 AM »
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Except for the blown CARC which I don’t think you can pin on the bike as such...

I've read your posts and seen the pictures about that incident.  It seems the pinion  nut came lose and the pinion was floating around.
 I've been thinking about how it could happen.
I noticed how the bike jumps with a little throttle. I feel a kick in the rear.
It also does the opposite when letting go the throttle at mid revs, 3-4000 rpm.
Can this back and forth create sudden torque at the rear pinion to undo the nut?
I've been riding more gently lately.  Opening the throttle slowly and letting go gradually.
We might benefit from a fuel map that is more gradual.
But who wants to go slow on this bike!?  I wish it had ride modes.
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