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Title: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: jas67 on February 23, 2019, 06:55:46 AM
Anyone's here?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/264210070144 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/264210070144)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/80YAAOSww4JcbHZe/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Devildog on February 23, 2019, 07:03:12 AM
Nice bike. The seat, not so nice.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: BrotherJim on February 23, 2019, 07:31:52 AM
Were the mags an option on those bikes?  I'm used to seeing them with the Akront spokes.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Perazzimx14 on February 23, 2019, 07:45:54 AM
Were the mags an option on those bikes?  I'm used to seeing them with the Akront spokes.


Gleaned from the add: "The frame is in excellent, original condition along with the upgraded aluminium wheels.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: giusto on February 23, 2019, 08:01:23 AM
Anyone's here?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/264210070144 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/264210070144)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/80YAAOSww4JcbHZe/s-l1600.jpg)


Very nice bike. It looks like the brake lines were upgraded as well as shocks...seen lots of miles and smiles...surely worth a righteous seat.  It'll be interesting to watch...Thanks for the post
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: JJ on February 23, 2019, 08:25:49 AM
$2,075 - RESERVE NOT MET - 3 bids - 6 days to go!  Wonder what it will finally go for?!? :thumb: :cool: :smiley: :wink:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: s1120 on February 23, 2019, 08:49:42 AM
Looks like a nice rider class bike.. not perfect, nor 100% stock...  but tastefull mods. Im wondering what it will go for. Im sure way out of my range!!   Still id love to have it. The 1000S is what turned me on to Guzzi's when I rode one back when they were new
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: blackcat on February 23, 2019, 09:12:02 AM
Wrong front fender, anyone bidding should inquire if the seller has that part as it is extremely difficult to find. Same with the original license plate bracket.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: JJ on February 23, 2019, 12:14:12 PM
Now $6,099 - 8 bids - still 6 days to go - Reserve Not Met!! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Turin on February 23, 2019, 01:48:30 PM
Where those wheels really and "upgrade" ? The Wheels on My '87 LeMans weigh a ton. I cant imagine the spoke wheels would weigh more.
I like the seat, and would love to own it, but it's out of my price range.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: usedtobefast on February 23, 2019, 02:13:44 PM
I predict it gets to $12K and reserve not met. 
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: BrotherJim on February 23, 2019, 03:06:39 PM

Gleaned from the add:

Nice gleaning.  The bold type is a nice touch.

I predict it gets to $12K and reserve not met. 

A buddy of mine sold his within the past year for $14K.  I really like these!
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: blackcat on February 23, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
Where those wheels really and "upgrade" ? The Wheels on My '87 LeMans weigh a ton. I cant imagine the spoke wheels would weigh more.
I like the seat, and would love to own it, but it's out of my price range.

I have a set of those wheels and they do weight quite a bit more than the spoked rims, but they are tubeless.

My guess is $14-16K
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Bisbee on February 23, 2019, 04:37:19 PM
So, I traded my Ducati 750 F1S for a black/orange 1000S in the early 90’s. Put a BMW cafe fairing on it and painted / striped to match. Nice bike but a handful to ride with those low clipons. Numb hands. Like so many, just because it’s beautiful doesn’t mean it’s fun to ride for any long distance.

Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Kev m on February 23, 2019, 04:46:57 PM
Jay,

Don't you need one of these?!?
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: JJ on February 23, 2019, 05:05:50 PM
$9,100 - 19 bids - Reserve Not Met - still 6 days to go!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: usedtobefast on February 23, 2019, 07:41:38 PM
The excellent condition one in Texas was like $22K, he started asking $25K on craigslist.  Ouchie mamma! 
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on February 23, 2019, 08:01:46 PM
Reasonable low miles, the clocks look original.

Out of my price range I'm afraid.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: JJ on February 23, 2019, 08:28:32 PM
The excellent condition one in Texas was like $22K, he started asking $25K on craigslist.  Ouchie mamma!

If this is the bike, I saw it at the NM Rally in Datil in 2013.  It was a stunner...and reportedly SOLD for over $20K!!


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Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Tom on February 23, 2019, 10:43:21 PM
Both of mine have oem mag wheels. 
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Calculon on February 23, 2019, 11:48:14 PM
Sure is a nice looking Guzzi.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: sdcr on February 24, 2019, 07:26:00 AM
IIRC, some of the OEM wire wheels can split in half, down the center Some type of defect, but I cannot remember the specific details.

Where those wheels really and "upgrade" ? The Wheels on My '87 LeMans weigh a ton. I cant imagine the spoke wheels would weigh more.
I like the seat, and would love to own it, but it's out of my price range.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: blackcat on February 24, 2019, 08:28:25 AM
IIRC, some of the OEM wire wheels can split in half, down the center Some type of defect, but I cannot remember the specific details.

There were a batch of Akront rims that would split between the spokes, and there was a recall for the 91 models from what I remember.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: BrotherJim on February 24, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
There were a batch of Akront rims that would split between the spokes, and there was a recall for the 91 models from what I remember.

On my friend's bike, it had the cracked Akront rims, but I want to say it was a '93.  He ended-up substituting them out for wired rims off of an XS650.  No doubt disclosed on his $14K sale.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: jas67 on February 24, 2019, 04:34:03 PM
Jay,

Don't you need one of these?!?

Yes, of course!    :angel:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: rocker59 on February 25, 2019, 08:35:21 AM

The 1000S is beautiful.  Quintessential Guzzi. 
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: JJ on February 25, 2019, 08:48:32 AM
$10,000 now...23 bids...Reserve Not Met...4.5 days to GO!! :huh: :shocked: :rolleyes:

What will be the final number?!?  $12K?...$15K?...$18K?...$20K?  More?  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Would love to own this classic...but don't have the disposable lettuce! :laugh: :grin: :wink:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 25, 2019, 11:31:39 AM
What'll it do that a T3 won't do? Well.. uh...  :cool: :boozing:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Tom on February 25, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
Curb appeal..... :wink:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: rocker59 on February 25, 2019, 12:30:11 PM
What'll it do that a T3 won't do? Well.. uh...  :cool: :boozing:

appreciate.   :boozing:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: T4halo on February 25, 2019, 01:37:33 PM
appreciate.   :boozing:

That’s funny.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 25, 2019, 05:10:03 PM
appreciate.   :boozing:

Good point.  :smiley:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: RinkRat II on February 26, 2019, 07:21:56 PM

     Holy Moly 14 large and there's still 3 days to go!  Who here is bidding?? :evil:

       Paul B :boozing:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: T4halo on February 26, 2019, 08:40:08 PM
     Holy Moly 14 large and there's still 3 days to go!  Who here is bidding?? :evil:

       Paul B :boozing:

Probably the owner and his friends. The serious bidding will start in the last 20 minutes.  The owner is showing us his minimum.

T
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: usedtobefast on February 26, 2019, 09:36:32 PM
     Holy Moly 14 large and there's still 3 days to go!  Who here is bidding?? :evil:

       Paul B :boozing:

I put in a bid around the $3000 mark.  :grin:  Mostly so eBay would keep me informed of the bidding.  I couldn't pay over $10K for a used bike I didn't see, ride, and check out. 
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: kfz on February 27, 2019, 02:01:12 AM
The cast wheels and front guard are correct.  This is a Europead looking Series 1 bike. Essentially the running gear of the LM1000 (inc the little discs for the ex 16" front).  The clocks are normally V50 monza style plastic binnacle though, this is the later clocks so looks to be right in that crossover. Probably around 90-91.

Kev
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: blackcat on February 27, 2019, 05:53:44 AM
The cast wheels and front guard are correct. 

Kev

The parts book has a completely different number for the 1000S front fender than the one being sold. Is it possible that this one came that way from the factory? Sure.  And the V-7 Sport handlebars on this bike were not stock either.

Early example:
https://goo.gl/images/y31Z9L
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: s1120 on February 27, 2019, 05:56:50 AM
Well..... looking like this seals the deal...  if a non stock 1000S goes for that kinda green, not looking like Ill ever own one. Oh well, I can build one to make me happy for less.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: kfz on February 27, 2019, 07:43:59 AM
What'll it do that a T3 won't do? Well.. uh...  :cool: :boozing:

Handle better (40 forks are miles better than the 35's), have more ground clearance and im guessing this is a big valve motor, with 40mm carbs. It will be faster, more revy and more fun to ride.

Kev
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: JJ on February 27, 2019, 09:03:01 AM
$14,000 - Reserve NOT met - 33 bids - 2.5 days to GO!!

:shocked: :shocked: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :wink: :cool:

Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: usedtobefast on February 27, 2019, 09:48:07 AM
Going to $18K maybe?  Crazy. 

Who are buying these in the $16K-$25K range?  Any guys on here? 

I could part with $10K-$12K for a really nice one, but that's my $$$$ pain threshold ... which means I can't have one.   :cry:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 27, 2019, 09:52:45 AM
Handle better (40 forks are miles better than the 35's), have more ground clearance and im guessing this is a big valve motor, with 40mm carbs. It will be faster, more revy and more fun to ride.

Kev

Well, it is essentially a LeMans 1000 with retro styling. GuzziBob's (RIP) had the medium valve engine with 36s.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Tom on February 27, 2019, 02:11:14 PM
Both of my 91's have 40's. 
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: usedtobefast on March 01, 2019, 10:07:27 PM
2 hours to go!  At $17,050 and reserve not met.  Geez.  Craziness. 

Get your bids in.   :grin:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: jas67 on March 01, 2019, 10:32:32 PM
"Private listing -- bidders' identities protected"

Hmmmm, I smell some shill bidding.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: giusto on March 01, 2019, 10:40:10 PM
I guess ebay is the way to sell a used Guzzi these days....anything decent seems to go for more than you'd think
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: jas67 on March 02, 2019, 06:31:01 AM
I guess ebay is the way to sell a used Guzzi these days....anything decent seems to go for more than you'd think

That this was a "private" auction, which removes any chance how many different bidders there were, and given that the reserve was north of $17k, I would say that the final price is the result of shill (not real) bids, and that the seller is just trying to create a high perceived demand for this bike before listing it again.

He (or she) will say, "last winner backed out"/ "din't pay", "is a deadbeat", etc".

It will go up to something like $15, and the "winner" will be happy to pay that price, because, it is clear "worth" $17k, because that's what it bid to the first time.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: CanBike on March 02, 2019, 07:22:56 AM
Regarding the earlier discussion in this thread on alloy rims vs spokes--

On a Guzzi are the mags really heavier than the spokes? Even when excluding the tube in the mag? On BMW airheads, it was often said that the snowflakes and later alloy rims where lighter than the spoked rims.

I actually like the look of the mags on the 'low handle bar & Lemans tank' tonti bikes, and was hoping they would be lighter as well.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: JJ on March 02, 2019, 07:40:37 AM
That this was a "private" auction, which removes any chance how many different bidders there were, and given that the reserve was north of $17k, I would say that the final price is the result of shill (not real) bids, and that the seller is just trying to create a high perceived demand for this bike before listing it again.

He (or she) will say, "last winner backed out"/ "din't pay", "is a deadbeat", etc".

It will go up to something like $15, and the "winner" will be happy to pay that price, because, it is clear "worth" $17k, because that's what it bid to the first time.

I knew this bike would not sell...

Bottom-line...what is the "true" CMV (Current Market Value) for this motorcycle today?  $12K?  $15K? $17K? Other?
In the end, someone who wants one badly...and who has the money...will pay for it, regardless of the market comps. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: blackcat on March 02, 2019, 09:15:18 AM
Regarding the earlier discussion in this thread on alloy rims vs spokes--

On a Guzzi are the mags really heavier than the spokes? Even when excluding the tube in the mag? On BMW airheads, it was often said that the snowflakes and later alloy rims where lighter than the spoked rims.

I actually like the look of the mags on the 'low handle bar & Lemans tank' tonti bikes, and was hoping they would be lighter as well.

I have a set of mags for my 1000S and they feel heavier than the wire rims. Never weighed them, so I can’t give you those numbers. Personally, I prefer the look of the wire rims over the mags but I picked up the mags with discs for a reasonable price on eBay a few years back with the thought of using them on longer trips out of town as they are obviously tubeless.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Travman on March 03, 2019, 07:35:03 AM
That this was a "private" auction, which removes any chance how many different bidders there were, and given that the reserve was north of $17k, I would say that the final price is the result of shill (not real) bids, and that the seller is just trying to create a high perceived demand for this bike before listing it again.

He (or she) will say, "last winner backed out"/ "din't pay", "is a deadbeat", etc".

It will go up to something like $15, and the "winner" will be happy to pay that price, because, it is clear "worth" $17k, because that's what it bid to the first time.
Wow. I never knew. That makes a lot of sense. It made me wonder why eBay doesn’t shut something like that down. But perhaps eBay doesn’t care. They make more when auctions are high.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: rocker59 on March 04, 2019, 07:55:37 AM

On a Guzzi are the mags really heavier than the spokes? Even when excluding the tube in the mag? 

Guzzi cast wheels are heavy.  Pounds heavier than spoked wheels with aluminum rims.

Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 04, 2019, 11:22:29 AM
I think Guzzi makes their alloy wheels out of some kind of lead alloy.  :evil: :smiley:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Perazzimx14 on March 04, 2019, 03:54:02 PM
Guzzi cast wheels are heavy.  Pounds heavier than spoked wheels with aluminum rims.

There are only 2 things that are light on Guzzi's. Smallblock swingarms and resale value.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Groover on March 04, 2019, 04:18:59 PM
There is a black one on MGOC classified, and also a Le Mans SE. Can have two rare birds for less than a price of a green, I know it's not the green, but also keeps some green in your pocket which is probably a better place anyway. My pocket that is..  :azn:

http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html

Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Groover on March 04, 2019, 04:26:15 PM
I think Guzzi makes their alloy wheels out of some kind of lead alloy.  :evil: :smiley:

Some Aluminum things in Italy had Antimony in them when I lived in there in the 80's, not sure if that's the case with these wheels. Also, not 100% sure and I could be full of antimony myself here, but I remember taking an "Aluminum" intake to a metal shop (Not Guzzi, but Minarelli - Italian engines) to get it welded/modified for a performance part I was making, and it kept melting on the guy and he said it was because it was of an antimony alloy and that word stuck in my head forever. I remember it being little smoother and a tad darker in color than say raw aluminum.

Link to Alloys, the first is the mention of Antimony in Aluminum:
http://www.totalmateria.com/Article55.htm

Link the MGOC Classified:
http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html

Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: blackcat on March 04, 2019, 05:44:46 PM
There is a black one on MGOC classified, and also a Le Mans SE. Can have two rare birds for less than a price of a green, I know it's not the green, but also keeps some green in your pocket which is probably a better place anyway. My pocket that is..  :azn:

http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html

I just talked to the owner of the 1000S and the asking price has shot up.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: jas67 on March 04, 2019, 06:34:51 PM
There is a black one on MGOC classified, and also a Le Mans SE. Can have two rare birds for less than a price of a green, I know it's not the green, but also keeps some green in your pocket which is probably a better place anyway. My pocket that is..  :azn:

http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html

Sold.

I just talked to the owner of the 1000S and the asking price has shot up.

Yeah, I spoke to him too.   He had it priced too low. 

Are you the one that bought it?
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: blackcat on March 04, 2019, 09:16:06 PM
Sold.

Yeah, I spoke to him too.   He had it priced too low. 

Are you the one that bought it?

No, the owner got a higher offer and he was waiting for a deposit.  At $6,900.00 I would have bought it.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: jas67 on March 09, 2019, 09:33:32 AM
Re-listed, buy-it-now, at $18,800.
The first auction was just to gauge interest, now seller is showing his real price.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Turin on March 09, 2019, 03:35:19 PM
Who thinks it will sell this time?
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: usedtobefast on March 09, 2019, 06:20:34 PM
I don't know.  Doesn't seem like a $18,800 version to me.  But hey, a bargain compared to the $25K one in Texas a while back.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Tom on March 09, 2019, 08:53:29 PM
IF.....I was to sell one of mine, it would go for less.  :grin:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: blackcat on March 09, 2019, 09:00:56 PM
IF.....I was to sell one of mine, it would go for less.  :grin:


$18,300?   Such a deal.....
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Tom on March 10, 2019, 01:29:02 AM
 :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:No.   :cheesy:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Devildog on March 14, 2019, 04:05:06 PM

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(https://i.ibb.co/DRbMCBd/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DRbMCBd)

(https://i.ibb.co/k6Dkd9V/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k6Dkd9V)

I found this beauty on TLM in the Netherlands. At 14K Euros, with 10k miles, it seems a good buy when compared to recent US eBay sales, as most European Guzzis are priced higher than equivalent US bikes.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: Tom on March 19, 2019, 01:25:38 PM
I wasn't too keen on the greenies when they first came out.  I wanted an orange stripe with an orange frame.  :shocked:
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: john fish on March 19, 2019, 03:36:10 PM
It's a pretty bike, always liked the look of those.  Still, I'll never understand how a paint job can make a bike worth so much more.  I wouldn't buy it for that silly elevated price even if I had the disposable income.
Title: Re: 1991 1000S on eBay
Post by: JJ on March 20, 2019, 09:50:33 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/BPjh8yr/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BPjh8yr)

(https://i.ibb.co/DRbMCBd/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DRbMCBd)

(https://i.ibb.co/k6Dkd9V/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k6Dkd9V)

I found this beauty on TLM in the Netherlands. At 14K Euros, with 10k miles, it seems a good buy when compared to recent US eBay sales, as most European Guzzis are priced higher than equivalent US bikes.

That's a nice one! :cool: :smiley: :thumb: 

This one is nice at TLM as well, but not for $34,000+ (IMHO)  :shocked: :shocked: :rolleyes:


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