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I think the new V7 version 2 has traction control, if it has that it has TBW
IMO, telling the OP that he won't notice a performance difference between his Ultra Classic and a Cali 1400 Touring is hogwash. The Harley is around 150 lbs heavier, has about 20% less lean angle, is down about 10 hp, doesn't have traction control, likely doesn't have ABS, and comes from the factory with a grossly under-sprung suspension. The post 2009 FLH chassis may have been an improvement over the wiggly H-D touring chassis of years past, but it can't touch the new California's chassis for rigidity, feel, and feedback. Adding the Ultra's fork-mounted batwing fairing to the Harley chassis doesn't help matters; the bike steers like a truck compared to the Guzzi. I have yet to ride an Indian Chieftan, so I'll reserve final judgment on a Guzzi-Indian comparison. However, from reading comparison tests and looking at spec sheets (always tricky business, I'll admit), I'd be surprised if the Guzzi was not the better overall performer.
My 2013 FLHP was new when I bought it. It had the singularly most attrocious suspension of any motorcycle I have ever riden or owned. The shocks came off the 2nd day I owned it. When I get around to it, the forks will get revalved. It was stable at 95, but no more so than my Cal14. The Cal 14 out handles it hands down. I put 15000 miles on the Cali before I sold it. My FLHP currently has 8000 miles
YouCan - I think most of our disagreement is a matter of degree
degree of Harley love?
Kev, why do you keep defaulting to a comparison with the "standard Road King?' That's not the comparison the OP is asking about. He specifically states that he currently rides an Ultra Classic and wants to know how riding a California 1400 (I assume the Touring model) will compare.
Do you enjoy arguing for argument's sake, then? Because your arguments are irrelevant to this thread. The OP want to compare the Ultra to the Cali; he probably couldn't care less what you want to do.Back on point. The Ultra is a pig compared to the Cali 1400 Touring -- yes, even with a top case. The difference in weight is at least 100 pounds IF Harley's numbers are to be believed, and according to test data, they cannot.
Hello everyone, I'm interested in getting feedback from those of you that own the new California. I currently ride a 2010 Harley Ultra Classic, please don't hold that against me. I'm thinking about making a change in the near future. Thanks
I don't see where the OP stated he was looking for a direct comparison to the Ultra. Just that he wanted feedback on impressions of the Cal 14, and he was thinking of making a change:
Quote:"I'm interested in getting feedback from those of you that own the new California. I currently ride a 2010 Harley Ultra Classic... I'm thinking about making a change in the near future."The OP says he is thinking about changing rides, from his 2010 Ultra C to a Cali 1400, and you think that the "feedback" he is looking for is a comparison with bikes other than his Ultra Classic? ??? Uh... no.
What do say we wait for the OP to chime in on that? Do you have a long distance mental link to the OP, or are you just talking out your ass?This is a discussion forum and we're just discussing impressions of the California 1400 here. Most of the people discussing it have ridden them, even owned them. Some of the impressions may not mesh with yours. Some of them don't mesh with mine. That's just the way it is in a discussion. ::)
^^^ I see your point, but... those are 2014 numbers. The OP's ultra is a 2010. ~;