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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: JC85 on March 23, 2019, 12:15:53 PM
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I recently purchased Dave Richardson's Guzziology on amazon (the physical book, not the Kindle version.) I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed in it. From the description (and the $50 price tag,) I expected it to be a full on technical manual with detailed instructions and illustrations. Instead, most of it seems to be just general information on parts and engine configurations, and the few maintenance instructions are written, only, with no photos or illustrations. Granted, there is still a LOT of information in there, and a good number of tips, but I was hoping for a book that would walk me through procedures like adjusting valves, disassembling the top end of the engine, replacing my clutch, etc. Maybe I need to give it some more time and reading, but so far, it's a lot less useful than I'd hoped.
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It was never meant to be that type of a manual, but rather to supplement the factory manual.
Have you seen these? They'll probably be more help (as would joining the Loopframe Guzzi Yahoo group
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Loopframe_Guzzi/info).
http://thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_workshop_manuals___shop_manuals___service_manuals.html
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It was never intended to be a repair or service manual , more of a *what fits what* general reference , along with some basic history . Keep digging , it contains lots of interesting details . After reading it , if it doesn't give you the desired info , someone will buy it .
Dusty
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It was never intended to be a repair or service manual , more of a *what fits what* general reference , along with some basic history . Keep digging , it contains lots of interesting details . After reading it , if it doesn't give you the desired info , someone will buy it .
Dusty
Yea, I completely misunderstood what us was supposed to be. I'm sure I'll still hang on to it, though, as it does still seem to be really interesting and have a lot of good general tips. Is there a "best" repair/service manual you'd recommend for the old Eldorados?
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It was never meant to be that type of a manual, but rather to supplement the factory manual.
Have you seen these? They'll probably be more help (as would joining the Loopframe Guzzi Yahoo group
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Loopframe_Guzzi/info).
http://thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_workshop_manuals___shop_manuals___service_manuals.html
Thanks!
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The purpose and benefit of Guzziology is that it contains a lifetime of hands-on experience to provide a lot of information not found in a how-to shop manual. Guzzi is a quirky machine. You cannot always go by the official "book" when dealing with one.
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As soon as you start doing the work it will become the go-to. It fills in the holes in the shop manuals and parts books. For all the maintenance stuff - oil changes to tire changes - I only ever grab Guzziology because it contains all the little details and tricks that are not in the factory manual or I forgot. You'll like it.
Download a PDF copy of the factory shop manual from This Old Tractor, print it and put the pages in plastic sleeves in a binder and you have a durable shop copy for about $25.
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The purpose and benefit of Guzziology is that it contains a lifetime of hands-on experience to provide a lot of information not found in a how-to shop manual. Guzzi is a quirky machine. You cannot always go by the official "book" when dealing with one.
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Sorry to bust in here... But I was thinking of getting it, but kinda wondering if there is useful info on some of the newer machines? Wondering if its worth the buy for my 02 California stone.
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Yes it contains updates covering 2002 models and newer small blocks maybe not the latest single TB models.
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makes a really great winter read... :thumb: When I had dragged a Convert home that was leaking from every seal, I knew what I needed to keep and maintain it because of that book...fascinating from a model development point of view and 500 pages of fix it tutorials, ...parts number replacements...etc. ..kept me riding for a decade or more. Thanks Dave!
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Gotta say, thanks for all of the input and advice. Also, since I'm fairly new to this board/group, glad that I could get a good conversation going! This is a great community.
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Maybe it had more relevance in the pre internet forum days. Before you could do a Google search or ask a question on a forum.
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I can imagine it was a great reference once... Especially for those restoring bikes.
As some one who has spent a lifetime in the technical publishing industry I shared the OP's opinion.
Though I still understand how it might have a bunch of hidden pearls, there didn't seem to be anything relevant to me.
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I bet there ain't nothing in the book I can't get from asking a question here and a quick response from the guys on this forum:)
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Did you read the inside title page before you bought it?
Did you consider the incredible amount of knowledge and experience you're getting for a measly $50, which barely buys dinner for two or 1/2 hour of mechanic's time?
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Jeez that’s gotta be a pain.
If Roper and Beetle jointly wrote a book I’d pay twice that, especially if it focussed on stuff we have around these days. Would sell a lot I’d imagine.
Entertaining too..
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I bought Guzziology and liked reading all the info on carbs, jetting ,gearing and so on...Moto Guzzi's ,especially push rod engines, are actually quite simple machines.Disassembl y in the proper order is not difficult. About the same complexity as a 70's Chevy truck...What is quirky is some of the engineering used but certainly not worse that other European machines.
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I bet there ain't nothing in the book I can't get from asking a question here and a quick response from the guys on this forum:)
from people who have read Guzziology and committed it to memory.
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from people who have read Guzziology and committed it to memory.
And if they don't have it committed to memory they can go look it up! :thumb: Admittedly, lots more info on big blocks and early small blocks but priceless to me.
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from people who have read Guzziology and committed it to memory.
Mostly from folks who have hands on experience, as well as book learning.
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OMG, the amount of product knowledge and what fits what in Guzziology is simply not repeated anywhere else. You too could learn it independently, but like I always say, any education cost money. $50 is cheap.
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OMG, the amount of product knowledge and what fits what in Guzziology is simply not repeated anywhere else. You too could learn it independently, but like I always say, any education cost money. $50 is cheap.
But aside from some history, it is borderline utterly useless to a rider of late-model Guzzi motorcycles. That's something that people extolling its benefits probably should share with the newbies. If you've got no interest in some history lessons and no interest in restoring old Guzzis it is not worth $0.10.
That's not a differentiation that most people make when mentioning it.
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It was never meant to be that type of a manual, but rather to supplement the factory manual.
Have you seen these? They'll probably be more help (as would joining the Loopframe Guzzi Yahoo group
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Loopframe_Guzzi/info).
http://thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_workshop_manuals___shop_manuals___service_manuals.html
Add this also to your Favorites. These are all great sources. I have used them extensively and find them very help full. Along with the V11 Sport Forum.
https://archive.guzzitech.com/
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Add this also to your Favorites. These are all great sources. I have used them extensively and find them very help full. Along with the V11 Sport Forum.
https://archive.guzzitech.com/
Not a lot of information there for an (original) Eldorado...
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I have several editions of Guzziology, the newest being 2014. It’s got a lot less to offer for my Stelvio than for my Tonti frame California EV and my wife’s Breva 750. I cannot speak to newer editions.
For me when working on the early 2000’s bikes and older, it’s very valuable because it points out things that I would not have known to look for if just following the factory manual. It has tips to simplify many tasks. It’s offered work arounds for problems I have encountered.
The Wildgoose forum has been around at least almost as long as I have been riding and wrenching on Guzzis, and I have always been glad to have a paper Guzziology in the garage. While the good people here could answer almost any questions I have, the book is available when something’s running late into the night. And many times I discovered things that I would not have thought to ask before I got up to my elbows in whatever I learned from reading the book before I did the job. And it can be tiring to sort out who is posting wisdom on a forum vs. who’s posting a repeat of some foolishness that has been circulating. Dave’s advice is pretty damn reliable. As others have said, $50 gets you a lifetime of wisdom from one of the best scholars of our little world. Even the latest edition may not have as much for the owner of a newer Guzzi (for all I know), but it definitely has a lot of insight into how to approach the things that come up when working on motorcycles, and Guzzi changes so little over the years that you never know what pieces are still there because of how it worked thirty years ago
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Quote from: Ncdan on March 23, 2019, 07:59:13 PM
I bet there ain't nothing in the book I can't get from asking a question here and a quick response from the guys on this forum:)
from people who have read Guzziology and committed it to memory.
^^^^^This; when I first got into guzzis, the best thing I did was get a copy of Guzziology, I just about wore my copy out studying it, so much for the plastic binding spine, it bit the dust long ago, :evil: the book gave me a very good basic understanding of guzzi's engineering, design and changes over the years. :thumb:
I rarely pick it up anymore, but every now and then, I reach for it and it usually has the answer I'm looking for.
The book's very existence is a testament to Dave Richardson, it must have been a huge monstrous undertaking to compile and publish :bow:
The information in it for recent years my be a little skimpy, but for the last 50? years, I find it a good basic reference to have on hand.
Kelly
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It has been an invaluable resource for me in the course of rebuilding my 850-T. I was buying some of my parts from the late Larry Klein of GT Motors in Lansing MI. On my first trip there for parts for the T, He strongly implored me to buy Guzziology. He said if I bought it I could call as much as I wanted to ask questions and wryly implied the corollary. I never regretted it.
Along with that I have a Haynes manual which is as thorough as any shop manual I have experience with. It has step by step instructions for common maintenance to rebuild procedures for most if not all of the bike.
Also, I downloaded the Guzzi shop manual in PDF as well as the exploded view parts manual showing drawings of all assemblies.
Add to that Greg Benders great articles, great instructional documents by Pete and others,
I doubt there is another bike model which has better or a more complete set of documentation. The factory shop manual even has dimensional drawings of the frame.
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One of the best shop manuals I ever had was for a 1973 Kawasaki. For example, it went on for pages on how to redo the valve seats and why. It even gave a detail description of why the brake piston seals and the seal grooves are shaped they way they are shaped. Very exact on how to get the bike back to original specs.
But, Guzziology is not supposed to be that. If is filled with tips and tricks. Gives info on the transmission ratios of one Guzzi to another. What carb needles tend to work best in which bike. It provides info for someone that may want to 'hack' the specs a bit.
Very different, and very useful in both cases.
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One of the best shop manuals I ever had was for a 1973 Kawasaki. For example, it went on for pages on how to redo the valve seats and why. It even gave a detail description of why the brake piston seals and the seal grooves are shaped they way they are shaped. Very exact on how to get the bike back to original specs.
But, Guzziology is not supposed to be that. If is filled with tips and tricks. Gives info on the transmission ratios of one Guzzi to another. What carb needles tend to work best in which bike. It provides info for someone that may want to 'hack' the specs a bit.
Very different, and very useful in both cases.
Speaking of Kawasaki manuals, I happened upon a Kawasaki manual that gave detailed instructions on how the built-up crankshaft for the two stroke triples... 350, 500, 750 is done. Blew me away... i) with the detail in the manual; and ii) what a nightmare it must be to assemble and true said crankshafts...
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Jeez that’s gotta be a pain.
If Roper and Beetle jointly wrote a book I’d pay twice that, especially if it focussed on stuff we have around these days. Would sell a lot I’d imagine.
Entertaining too..
But please together with Kev M.
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But please together with Kev M.
:laugh: :grin: :laugh: as we Pete or I could stay any better focused or on topic..... plus the language alone would get it burned in about 30 different countries. :shocked: :boozing:
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I bought the book on the recommendation of a friend. It is invaluable in the rebuild of my G5 and a great winter read.
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Well, I'd say the OP made a valid point. I got my copy in the mid 90's and my take was that basic maintenance and mechanical know how was already assumed credited to the reader. I found it invaluable in re-jeting my LM V and later Sport 1100 as well as figuring out that I needed to ditch the MotoPlatt ignition on my SPIII. Refer to it alot still. That said my "new" Guzzi is a '96 Carb Sport.....which will qualify for an antique tag next year......so. :wink:
If you really want an entertaining read, find the original 3 MGNOC "Tips for Guzzis" books. :thumb:
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This thread reminds me a bit of the three blind men describing an elephant, one of whom felt the trunk, one the side, and one the tail of the animal .... ! :wink: :grin:
Sound like the value of the book very much depends on what you want out of it, and what your interests in Guzzis are, and that everyone that has described it is correct, depending on what they do with Guzzis ....
I had an original, sold it, and have the 2014 version. I don't use it a lot, but I'm glad I've got it.
Lannis
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This thread reminds me a bit of the three blind men describing an elephant, one of whom felt the trunk, one the side, and one the tail of the animal .... ! :wink: :grin:
Sound like the value of the book very much depends on what you want out of it, and what your interests in Guzzis are, and that everyone that has described it is correct, depending on what they do with Guzzis ....
I had an original, sold it, and have the 2014 version. I don't use it a lot, but I'm glad I've got it.
Lannisook
You sum up how I see it pretty well Lannis.
I have my old copy and it was used often during the years my wife and I rode the older bikes. Now days it still comes in handy. Out here in the great Guzzi desert where I live (Nebraska) and having ridden Guzzi for so many years I will get a call or visit from folks who need information or help with an older bike. Usually a case of one that has been picked up as a project or handed down in the family. My memory isnt what it used to be and some of the bikes are ones I didnt actually own or work on back in the day. So its my go to resource to jog my memory or check out the model in question.
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Whenever I use my copy of Guzziology I am always amazed that one person was dedicated enough to pull off putting it together. Guzziology is a treasure trove of information and a testament to Dave Richardson's work ethic. An amazing creation in my opinion. I am not worthy.
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Having rebuilt my 850T twice since 1983, and done some minor mods on the Mille, I can tell you this: The workshop manuals are indispensable but leave a lot of questions unanswered. Just a few of the many issues Guzziology has resolved for me:
Gear selector return spring: there have been three or four different versions over the years, in different wire gauges and different arm shapes. Which is the least likely to fail over the long haul, and how do I recognize it?
Brake mods: What different rotors will fit the bolt pattern on my old front wheel, and what combination of calipers and brake pads are compatible? What are the best combinations of caliper and master cylinder for my bike?
What damper cartridges fit my forks (the two bikes have different-length stanchions)? Which of the three or four OEM cartridges should be tossed, and which might be worth reusing? Which aftermarket cartridges will fit and what reputations have they earned?
Clutch disks: Half a dozen different brands on the market. Which are junk and which work well?
Upgrades to alternator stator and rotor: Which ones work for which electrical systems (Bosch vs Saprisa vs Ducati)?
Why does my "distributor" have two different bob-springs, and what are the different ignition timing issues for engines that look identical?
Dozens more questions answered in Guzziology. I prefer to research the answers myself when possible and pester the experts only in extremis. BTW there are maybe half a dozen real experts on this board, and it takes awhile to figure out who they are.
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^^^^^ This.
If you really want an entertaining read, find the original 3 MGNOC "Tips for Guzzis" books. :thumb:
Those were the cause of many of (maybe most) of the bodges you see on old Guzzis.. :evil: :smiley:
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^^^^^ This.Those were the cause of many of (maybe most) of the bodges you see on old Guzzis.. :evil: :smiley:
Funny to see this mentioned, because I almost posted this pic earlier today.
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Never got the memo about Guzziology decades ago. Just got a Haynes manual and a factory manual reprint and that was it. Got this MGNOC Tips book and a big stack of newsletters with a V1000 nearly 20 yrs ago. Sure didn't use it much.... Seemed like so much in there was simply a way to get around fixing your bike the right way.
Guzziology has been a good source of info since I got this loop, but I've spent more time on Greg Bender's site.
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^^^^^ This.Those were the cause of many of (maybe most) of the bodges you see on old Guzzis.. :evil: :smiley:
My dad got all three, way back when they came out, and they're currently sitting on a shelf in my shop! :thumb:
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How much info is there in there for the later FI California bikes? I have a 02, and its on my list of things to get, and will one day just to have the guzzi background info.. But how handy is it for late Tonti bikes??
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How much info is there in there for the later FI California bikes? I have a 02, and its on my list of things to get, and will one day just to have the guzzi background info.. But how handy is it for late Tonti bikes??
ALMOST useless. I haven't re-read the thread, but I'm sure I posted in it originally. My wife bought me my copy when I had the Jackal. I'm not sure it ever answered a single question I needed.
I understand why some here find it so valuable on the OLD stuff. But the late-model is a totally different thing.
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Sure didn't use it much.... Seemed like so much in there was simply a way to get around fixing your bike the right way.
There's some truth to that! Book #1 has some pretty far out stuff. OTOH, in the mid 80's when my only source for parts was mail ordering (call, confirm part is available, send check, ...wait) from Mike Harper or Joe Eish, it was real sweet to know that the V regulator was available for $10 at Napa as a VW Beetle part and points could be ordered for a Fiat 850, etc... In fact, I'm not certain Guzzi would have survived that period in the US market w/o the community of the MGNOC helping guys keep them on the road.
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How much info is there in there for the later FI California bikes? I have a 02, and its on my list of things to get, and will one day just to have the guzzi background info.. But how handy is it for late Tonti bikes??
I find Guzziology tremendously useful for EFI Tonti California’s. There’s a lot of good information on everything about those bikes. They were the bread and butter of Moto International’s customers, so Dave saw them evolve from new and his mechanics Micha and Jason wrestled many problems before the factory had answers, and came up with solutions for many things that the factory never acknowledged. They had enough customers to see nearly everything that can go wrong and often try several solutions until they found one that lasted. And they stayed with the brand for a decade after the last Tonti model was discontinued, so they saw what happens as those bikes aged.
Guzziology is a growing book, adding new information as Dave gathered it and wrote it down. Unknowns become known, “facts” get disproved, parts from newer models get cross-reference to older models (sometimes newer is an improvement, sometimes older versions were better), and what was the best solution one year gets replaced by a better solution if one becomes available. Even after Dave retired, he has kept updating things he didn’t have time to write while he was running the shop. My 2004 edition has much less for Late California’s than my 2014 edition. I am thinking of buying the newest version because the 2014 doesn’t have as much for the 8-valve 1200’s. Six more years of experience and revision is probably worth it to me.
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Can someone let me know what the latest edition no. is?
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Can someone let me know what the latest edition no. is?
Version "9" came out in 2018, and I think that's the latest one. But without actually asking the author, I don't know how to tell for sure.
Lannis
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But please together with Kev M.
If you like..
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+1 on asking the forum. You can solve problems written nowhere. Such as you don't need to pull the trans to unhook a stuck clutch. :)
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Version "9" came out in 2018, and I think that's the latest one. But without actually asking the author, I don't know how to tell for sure.
Lannis
Thx. I was gifted that one for Christmas; glad to know it's likely the latest one.
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I didn't buy a copy until I bought a Convert, as my oldest and primary bikes were CARC series bikes, and a V7ii. I bought the Kindle version, makes for an easy word search.
In general, it is loaded with all the things you won't find in a tech manual. It is a goldmine of real world experience and information you won't find anywhere else.
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Version "9" came out in 2018, and I think that's the latest one. But without actually asking the author, I don't know how to tell for sure.
Lannis
I ordered a copy a month ago and received version 9.
And I love it. I do pretty well all my own work on my motor vehicles, but I'm new to Guzzis. Besides bursting at the seams with tips and info, Richardson discusses at length many topics: Brake pads, integrated brakes, motor oils, fuels, suspension dampers, parts interchangeability and availability. Of course, I've got a Haynes manual and a Guzzi service manual for the step by step stuff. My one criticism of Guzziology: Some of the drawings are laughably amateurish. There is a drawing of an oil seal on page 37 which looks like it was done on a 1980's Radio Shack computer. I guess if I squint my eyes, it kinda, sorta looks like...no it doesn't. But drawings aside, a really good book.
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"If you really want an entertaining read, find the original 3 MGNOC "Tips for Guzzis" books."
I understand they are making it into a movie with Tom Hanks.
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Seriously, anyone that whinges about Guzziology is the same sort of person that if they had a money tree growing their back yard would complain about having to water it.
Ciao
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Good lord.
This group is becoming far too much like many other forums, where the entitlement is so complete that the noise overtakes the signal.
To disparage in any way Guzziology, or Dave's life work in assembling it, is asinine, foolish, and worthy of insult. Consider yourselves insulted.
Many of you think you can just 'come on here and ask any question'. Well, nobody owes you an answer. We answer your questions because we expect that there's some shared values; increasingly, I'm disappointed.
For the OP, if you'd have done even the tiniest amount of homework you'd have known what you were ordering. If you'd read the entire thing before posting, you'd have known what you were paying for. If you had any mechanical background of the sort one develops while trying to pay bills, you'd have found a proper service manual beforehand or at the same time.
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Seriously, anyone that whinges about Guzziology is the same sort of person that if they had a money tree growing their back yard would complain about having to water it.
Ciao
This analogy only works if the tree produced nothing but lire and cost more to water than it could produce.
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I'm an aviator and in that,(aviation), we probably have some of the best manuals (essential) in the business of manuals.
Having said that, I always get what ever manual I can, to help with the struggle of ops and maintence.
I have found Guzziology very helpful and worth the price in the "sorting" of my old CX.
A complicated business...writing manuals.
:-)
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I'm an aviator and in that,(aviation), we probably have some of the best manuals (essential) in the business of manuals.
Having said that, I always get what ever manual I can, to help with the struggle of ops and maintence.
I have found Guzziology very helpful and worth the price in the "sorting" of my old CX.
A complicated business...writing manuals.
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Ive been in the auto game forever it seems... Going from that to Guzzi I gotta say the manuals are pretty hit and miss. I have a few downloaded, and really have found little in print, and they still have holes in them. Im planning on getting a copy of Guzziology and hoping it fills some of those holes.
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The first page of Guzziology states:
GUZZIOLOGY
A guide to Moto Guzzi
V-Twin Motorcycles -
designed to supplement existing
service manuals and parts references
David Richardson
Self-published by David Richardson
Seatlle, USA
That's pretty clear to me what the intent of Guzziology is.
Having used Version 7.0 for years I can say this, I sure wish there was a similar reference for Moto-Morini, Benelli, Laverda, etc....
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Having used Version 7.0 for years I can say this, I sure wish there was a similar reference for Moto-Morini, Benelli, Laverda, etc....
https://www.amazon.com/Laverda-Triple-Repair-Tune-up-Guide/dp/0979689104
"The Green Book", if you don't already have it is excellent for Laverda. There's one page that list the sizes of all the bearings for the twins & triples.
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https://www.amazon.com/Laverda-Triple-Repair-Tune-up-Guide/dp/0979689104
"The Green Book", if you don't already have it is excellent for Laverda. There's one page that list the sizes of all the bearings for the twins & triples.
I have the Laverda Green Book, it is excellent but I don't think it has the amount of detail that Richardson has assembled.
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Good lord.
This group is becoming far too much like many other forums, where the entitlement is so complete that the noise overtakes the signal.
To disparage in any way Guzziology, or Dave's life work in assembling it, is asinine, foolish, and worthy of insult. Consider yourselves insulted.
Many of you think you can just 'come on here and ask any question'. Well, nobody owes you an answer. We answer your questions because we expect that there's some shared values; increasingly, I'm disappointed.
For the OP, if you'd have done even the tiniest amount of homework you'd have known what you were ordering. If you'd read the entire thing before posting, you'd have known what you were paying for. If you had any mechanical background of the sort one develops while trying to pay bills, you'd have found a proper service manual beforehand or at the same time.
Wow. I didn't realize that I would offend people so with this post. I was simply expressing that it wasn't what I expected. If you were to read my other posts, here, you'd see that I still appreciate it for what it is. Anyways, one of the things that's great about this forum is the good natured vibe and helpfulness and support that everyone shows to each other. Let's not change that, yea?
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Wow. I didn't realize that I would offend people so with this post. I was simply expressing that it wasn't what I expected. If you were to read my other posts, here, you'd see that I still appreciate it for what it is. Anyways, one of the things that's great about this forum is the good natured vibe and helpfulness and support that everyone shows to each other. Let's not change that, yea?
Geeze, what's next JC? pile up your dad's old MGNOC newsletters and set 'em on fire? :grin:
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Here , let me introduce the OP . He grew up attending Guzzi rallies with his dad , and has spent serious money refurbishing his dads old Eldo so he can ride it to even more Guzzi rallies .
Let;s ease up on the personal attacks . Thanks
Dusty
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Wow. I didn't realize that I would offend people so with this post. I was simply expressing that it wasn't what I expected. If you were to read my other posts, here, you'd see that I still appreciate it for what it is. Anyways, one of the things that's great about this forum is the good natured vibe and helpfulness and support that everyone shows to each other. Let's not change that, yea?
Pay no attention to the grumpy old codgers behind the curtain.... I mean keyboard... ;-) Most get what you were saying. No worries.
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Wow. I didn't realize that I would offend people so with this post. I was simply expressing that it wasn't what I expected. If you were to read my other posts, here, you'd see that I still appreciate it for what it is. Anyways, one of the things that's great about this forum is the good natured vibe and helpfulness and support that everyone shows to each other. Let's not change that, yea?
Hang in there! Bulldog9 is right ... the older we get, the grumpier we get about some things. I happen to not be grumpy concerning this subject, but just wait, something will come up!! :wink:
Lannis
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Geeze, what's next JC? pile up your dad's old MGNOC newsletters and set 'em on fire? :grin:
I have to admit that I've considered doing that with the old MGNOC tips manuals, just because they can be such a PITA to find specific info in, when you're looking for it. :laugh:
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Here's to all who have actually purchased Guzziology! I have to say that sometimes I decline to just look up and copy information from it to the forum that I know is in there, since I think we should all pay authors, especially this one, for the work they've done.
It's a great book. I read it cover-to-cover back when Guzzis were new to me, but I think the OP's comments throughout were completely reasonable.
Moto
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Well, I just ordered the 9th edition. I look forward to reading it. But, I admit, I love reading shop manuals, like "How to keep your Volkswagen alive"....
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Ok, I just got my copy. 9th version. And what shall I say? In the model enumeration even the V85TT Travel was mentioned. So what does it tell? There are minor updates all the time without altering the main revision. Obviously thanks to Amazon printing-on-demand.