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I test rode a Griso once at Cadre. It had been chipped with an aftermarket exhaust. To say it was not a good citizen was an understatement. Every time I took off, the sucker tried to rip my arms off. It was loud, stinky (no cat) and uncomfortable for me and would not really take touring luggage and there was no real logical reason for it to exist except for one. I could not stop smiling at every stop light. That monster bike would scare old ladies and kids. It probably would ultimately be outrun by a high horsepower inline 4 or modern multistratda but not in 1st gear. So from 0-60 it was the modern equivilent of a Hemi Cuda.
I still contend that whatever direction or reversal of such, takes place downstream of the big ends of the con rods, it will not assist in mitigation of torque reaction.
It will be interesting to hear from owners of these new machines.Counter-rotating assemblies should counter torque reaction. How much? Well that is the question.
I'm with you on this one Huzo
so far as goosing the throttle while sitting still, the bike dips to the left, not the right such as all the other Guzzis.
I think Honda Motors would disagree with you. They stated the counter rotating clutch and gearbox cancelled out the torque reaction when they brought out a certain model Goldwing, I don't remember which one. They made a big deal about it. That bike is so damn heavy maybe the torque reaction didn't affect it that much anyway. Personally I don't know why people make such a big deal about this, on our current bikes it is a mere fraction of what my /2 and /5 BMWs exhibited. Lighter rotating assemblies have reduced this effect substantially. Shaft jacking is also basically non-existent compared to the short framed R75/5 I once owned.kk
have you ridden a Mandello? The bike tips to the left when goosed, the opposite way from a "real' Guzzi.
Show of hands. Anyone else experiencing a bit of ambiguity from Moto Guzzi on their pre-order? Back in early November when I put my order in I received two emails in quick succession from Moto Guzzi USA/Canada confirming my pre-order. I made the order at the dealership and ordered some accessories at that time as well as I wanted everything on the bike when I picked it up. The dealer told me at that time to expect the bike in March and that I would receive an email from Moto Guzzi a few weeks before it arrives letting me know when to expect it. The dealer also said they will notify me when they get confirmation that it is in route to them and they would then call me.Well, I have yet to get notice from Moto Guzzi that my bike is on the way But I have been notified by the dealer that they are expecting it in the next week or so. I am super excited as I thought my order may had been placed to late to make the first batch of arrivals for North America. I incredulously asked the dealer if they were certain my bike was in route as I haven't received the delivery confirmation from Moto Guzzi yet. They thought that was odd but assured me that my bike was state side and on the way. Just wanted to see if anyone else here has had a similar experience.Skippy
I rode the demo today, a white one. If Guzzi were dogs, our air cooled bikes would be black labs. Easy to approach, friendly and comfortable. The V100 is a Greyhound. It requires your full attention or you could find yourself in the weeds. A great bike for sure, but I have grown to enjoy friendly and comfortable. If I was 44 and not 64, I would be all over it. Very modern feel to all inputs. Obeys your commands instantly. Many will love it.
Kevin touched on the mitigation of torque reaction due the alternator drive shaft and downstream masses from said shaft, spinning in the opposite direction to the crank.He stated it and he is to be disbelieved at one’s own peril…generally. I can take what he says as fact if I remember who he is and just agree, but I cannot UNDERSTAND why this is. Yes, when all the masses are spinning and the input of energy is shut off (closed throttle), the decelerating masses will impart a rocking motion in the direction of the spinning mass…(our traditional Guzzi’s tilt counterclockwise from rider perspective) on overrun, that is predictable and clear. Work is being done by the decelerating masses, a giant flywheel if you will.So with the new Mandello ON OVERRUN, the combined masses spinning clockwise will tilt the bike clockwise and the (much lighter) alternator drive shaft and downstream components from it will tilt counterclockwise, so there will be some cancellation present.However the alternator and driveshaft are a mere fraction of the weight of the main crankshaft and clutch componentry, so I suggest that the miracle of “reducing torque reaction by as much as 50%” is not due to this circumstance.KC states that the Mandello has a lighter crankshaft, which is to be expected and I suggest it is this fact that has led to the reduction of torque effect, as the crank (with consequent less inertia), can be spun up to higher rpm with less of the familiar “tilt” acting in the opposite direction, that we all know so well.Let me step back to utter basics if I may..If you take the example of an electric drill and are using it to spin a shaft in a housing, let’s say full of components in oil, which has some resistance to to wanting to turn, you will feel a torque or “twisting” force in your wrist equal and opposite to the resistance of the shaft. If that shaft seizes, like when a drill bit jams, ALL of the torque from the electric motor will react in your hand and spin the tool in the reverse direction.The armature will not spin inside the drill, the drill will spin around the armature. We all see what happens when a helicopter loses the big steadying hand (tail rotor) on the end of the lever (tail boom).It will not matter how many reversing gears are contained within the housing, it is the resistance of the masses to rotation that is felt back through the electric drill, that’s where your sprained wrist come from… Now..Walk over to your shiny new Mandello…When you start it and it sits there at idle, the components are not experiencing any ACCELERATIONS so there is no induced TORQUE REACTION…Great..!But when you add energy into the system (fuel), you are accelerating the masses up to a higher energy state and the resistance to that acceleration will make the crankcase want to rotate around the crankshaft, (remember the drill analogy ?) in a direction and magnitude equal and opposite…(Newton).I still contend that whatever direction or reversal of such, takes place downstream of the big ends of the con rods, it will not assist in mitigation of torque reaction under power.I think that in a very small way, our hero has succumbed to the old, “everyone says it, so I’ll just skip lightly over it” thing.Now, if I can just find my asbestos suit….
I’ll be interested to see what the reasons are, when the first used ones are offered up for sale.I know one of the first gripes will be the screen.
I've owned 2 different G8V models, although not that different much at all in terms of specs (2009 and 2014). Even with mods like peg lowers, bar risers, etc. it's still not as applicable to any task as most Guzzis tend to be. I found the ergos especially odd, maybe if you're an Italian fellow with a short inseam and long arms it would make better sense. It's heavy too, takes a lot of effort to get it over and it doesn't suffer fools lightly - my surgically repaired shoulder will tell you this Once lined up and leaned over in a curve it's steady as a rock but play the dumbass like me and you'll find yourself paying for it; it's not a flickable super naked and most of the modern naked bikes I've owned would eat it for breakfast in terms of outright power. I think your 'Cuda analogy might be a good one. It's probably not even in my top 3 or 4 MGs I've owned. So why did I own two of them? Because damnit, they are stunningly gorgeous and might just be THE most characterful and charismatic of any of the Guzzis I've had. It worked best for me when I jut left all that other crap off it like lowers, windshield, risers, etc. and just let it be the machine it is.
I rode a demo V100 at AJ's Cycle in MA. This is not your Grandpa's Moto Guzzi. Before you pontificate on the effects of torque, wind, noise , comfort, shifting ride one. The V100 a completely refined machine. Plenty of legroom, comfortable seat, easy to ride, quick and flickable handling, A nice rumble without being offensive, Readable dash screen , adjustable suspension , The windscreen works very well (6ft rider) The V100 handles traffic and slow roads very well. Accelerates quickly no stuttering at all. The ride is very balance in weight and handling. The seating position is fairly upright. It is twisted steel and sex appeal.Kudos to the engineers that created this machineI bought one.
was reading on the ghetto about some isolated reports of alternators being unconnected, paint flaking and a rocker arm coming loose in the enginefingers crossed it's just one or two bikes, but if I had one I'd be laying a multimeter across the battery and firing it up just to make sure it's charging.
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