Author Topic: Dragging sidestand on Norge  (Read 1036 times)

Offline mrv

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 106
  • Location: Arkansas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2021, 10:38:52 PM »
If they post, here are picks of my side stand in the up position.





« Last Edit: September 08, 2021, 10:40:21 PM by mrv »

Offline mrv

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 106
  • Location: Arkansas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2021, 10:43:25 PM »
Bad, worn-out shock or not, the issue is the side stand hangs down below the peg.

Online PJPR01

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3619
  • Norge, Scura, Griso
  • Location: Houston, Texas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2021, 08:08:15 AM »
Bad, worn-out shock or not, the issue is the side stand hangs down below the peg.


Thatís because your side stand is badly bent or extremely loosely bolted to the engine case or missing a bolt,Ö.hereís what the proper angle of a side stand should look likeÖit should be much more aligned with the frame of the bike while yours is sticking way out to the side!











« Last Edit: September 09, 2021, 08:28:42 AM by PJPR01 »
Paul R
2015 Red/Black Griso
2008 Silver Norge
2002 V11 Scura

Offline mrv

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 106
  • Location: Arkansas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2021, 08:41:52 AM »
Must be bent, as I have checked the bolts. When I got the bike the mounting plate bolts were loose, but have not been since I tightened them.

Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi

Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2021, 08:41:52 AM »

Online Mayor_of_BBQ

  • Instagram & Twitter: @Mayor_of_BBQ
  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3134
  • 'Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski'
  • Location: Asheville, NC
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2021, 08:53:54 AM »
If they post, here are picks of my side stand in the up position.






Whoa

That is NOT where the sidestand falls on my Breva, not even close.  That baby is bent or something??  Strapped down for a tow on the sidestand? Something is fishy there. Plate bent? Loose Bolts?

On my breva the stock stand nestles just up under the stock footpeg...  When I put on 1/2" lower pegs (GL1800), the stand actually stops/rests on the underside of the left peg, pushing it up just a bit if you take your foot off.
Chad (Shadrach) in Asheville NC
1970 Ambo (shiny resto-mod)
1984 V65 Cafe Racer (ongoing cafe project)
2007 Breva 1100 (Sport 1200 tribute)

Online Huzo

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 10223
  • Location: Creswick Australia
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2021, 09:03:28 AM »
Thatís a mess..
Take the damn thing off and have a look at it.
 All the conjecture in the world will just muddy the waters, it needs examination out on the bench.
Does it look remotely like this in normal use ?


Whatís the deal with the crazy bend, are you sure itís a Norge stand ?
« Last Edit: September 09, 2021, 09:08:15 AM by Huzo »

Online willowstreetguzziguy

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1083
  • Location: Lancaster, PA
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2021, 09:04:01 AM »
When I first got my 1200 sport, the foot pegs were too high. So I installed 1.5 inch lower foot pegs and  I had to modify my side stand. I took it off and cut straight down along the shaft. Figured out what size steel base I needed and had a welder cut and weld the base onto it. I havenít had a problem with dragging and it works fine. Just need to shave off some areas and repaint them and keep the attachment bolts tight! Here are a few pictures of it extended and tucked in.





2008 Guzzi 1200 Sport 
1993 BMW K75S Pearl White (sold)
"Going somewhere isn't why you ride, riding is why you go!"    Moto Guzzi... because the only person I have to impress is me.

Offline mrv

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 106
  • Location: Arkansas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2021, 09:11:31 AM »
That's how it's been since I got the bike. Just figured it was normal since I never had another to compare it to. Guess I'll pull it off this weekend and see what's up with it.

Offline mrv

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 106
  • Location: Arkansas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2021, 09:20:38 AM »
On the side stand, always thought it should have a bit less bend, but never seeing another I didn't know.




Online Huzo

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 10223
  • Location: Creswick Australia
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2021, 09:24:37 AM »
On the side stand, always thought it should have a bit less bend, but never seeing another I didn't know.




Fair enough mate.
Thatís the wrong stand.

Online PJPR01

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3619
  • Norge, Scura, Griso
  • Location: Houston, Texas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2021, 09:46:45 AM »
Actual the stand is correct, and that bend at the foot is normal for US NorgesÖmine has had that since new.

But it clearly is sticking way out from the engine caseÖ

Once you figure out the root cause, note also that you can cut a bit of the tang off, see the pic I posted above.

Here's a pic for comparison purposes...



« Last Edit: September 09, 2021, 03:54:30 PM by PJPR01 »
Paul R
2015 Red/Black Griso
2008 Silver Norge
2002 V11 Scura

Offline twowings

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 190
  • Comfortably Numb
  • Location: Enchanted Mountain
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2021, 03:17:44 PM »
Paul is right, the U.S. model has a different part number(s) than the rest of the world. I'm sure of this as I used the parts manual numbers to purchase a Euro-style stand as depicted on Huzo's bike.

Your current stand as pictured is bent or something is wrong with the mounting setup.
Team Corse dal Delerium all'Oblivion
Moto Guzzi - 100 Anni Di Autentica Passione

Online Huzo

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 10223
  • Location: Creswick Australia
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2021, 04:55:54 PM »
Apologies regarding the ďwrong standĒ comment.
If I got to Cedar Vale I would have known that... :embarrassed:

Offline twowings

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 190
  • Comfortably Numb
  • Location: Enchanted Mountain
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2021, 07:00:59 PM »
You're still delerious from your epic ride! Take six of your favorite beers and call us in the morning  :boozing:
Team Corse dal Delerium all'Oblivion
Moto Guzzi - 100 Anni Di Autentica Passione

Online Huzo

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 10223
  • Location: Creswick Australia
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2021, 10:56:11 PM »
Nah.
I was stupid before I left.

Offline mrv

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 106
  • Location: Arkansas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2021, 07:55:52 AM »
Well, I did some work on the sidestand and have not had any dragging issues yet.






Online Mayor_of_BBQ

  • Instagram & Twitter: @Mayor_of_BBQ
  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3134
  • 'Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski'
  • Location: Asheville, NC
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2021, 08:15:43 AM »
Nice work, that is exactly where it should tuck. You'll have to grind the entire peg off to drag that baby now!  Next thing you will touch down is the centerstand deployment arm (thats the only thing I drag on mine)


If you need a heavier spring for the rear shock, there is a NOS one for sale in the swap meet section at 40% off retail.  :boozing:
Chad (Shadrach) in Asheville NC
1970 Ambo (shiny resto-mod)
1984 V65 Cafe Racer (ongoing cafe project)
2007 Breva 1100 (Sport 1200 tribute)

Offline rustygman

  • New Goose
  • *
  • Posts: 10
  • Location: SE England
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2021, 08:34:08 AM »
Are you guys saying that any shock after a certain amount of time is worn out? I have a 95 Yam and a 96 Guzzi on their originals. They seem OK though. Neither are sports bikes and I am yet to drag a stand.
Back on a Guzzi again. 1100i Cali.

Offline mrv

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 106
  • Location: Arkansas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2021, 08:59:09 AM »
I know I will have to address the rear shock at some point because nothing lasts forever. But it looks like I need to replace the fork seals this winter since I have one that is starting to seep. Also going to have to replace the grips since they are really getting tacky (without replacing the entier heated assembly)

Online Mayor_of_BBQ

  • Instagram & Twitter: @Mayor_of_BBQ
  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3134
  • 'Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski'
  • Location: Asheville, NC
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2021, 09:22:47 AM »
Are you guys saying that any shock after a certain amount of time is worn out? I have a 95 Yam and a 96 Guzzi on their originals. They seem OK though. Neither are sports bikes and I am yet to drag a stand.

In my case I'm only sayin that the early Norge/Breva 1100 bikes shipped from the factory with a too-weak rear spring. The fix was a heavier gauge spring on the same shock. It wasn't a recall or warranty item, I just think many bigger american riders, or those who travel fully loaded/2-up, or even those who ride solo but very sporty found the rear end to be mushy. A heavier shock spring remedied this squat.


But in general, all suspension components 'wear out' over time. could be leaky seals/loss of oil, old/contaminated oil, stiction, shaft/stanchion wear, or whatever.
Chad (Shadrach) in Asheville NC
1970 Ambo (shiny resto-mod)
1984 V65 Cafe Racer (ongoing cafe project)
2007 Breva 1100 (Sport 1200 tribute)

Offline guzzied

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • Posts: 107
  • Location: San Diego
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2021, 09:55:52 AM »
Even on my 2014 Norge with the rear spring rate maxed out (has the heavy stock spring), it was OK for my body weight of 200 lbs. But put a pillion on the back and the bike sags and steering becomes very sluggish.  I have done spirited rides up in the mountains (solo) and never grounded out any part of the bike with the stock shock.

I went with a Matrix shock built to my weight just for the pillion sag problem.... Meaning a higher spring rate.
Mike Stewart

Sold  2000 Green V11 Sport
        2000 Jackal V1100 Cafe Project
        2002 Ghezzi Brian
        2002 California Special Sport 
        2003 Rosso Corsa

Ride 2002 EV Sport Custom
       2003 EV Touring Custom
       2014 Norge 8V

Online Huzo

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 10223
  • Location: Creswick Australia
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2021, 11:57:58 AM »
Here's a pic for comparison purposes...



I love your side cases PJ.
They remind me of mine..


Online PJPR01

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3619
  • Norge, Scura, Griso
  • Location: Houston, Texas
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2021, 02:56:40 PM »
Lovely pic Peter!  We share the same love of stickers!

If you like, I have a few extra ones from Cedar Vale from prior years that I have made, be glad to send a few your way so you can ride with us "in spirit"!

Cheers!
Paul R
2015 Red/Black Griso
2008 Silver Norge
2002 V11 Scura

Online Perazzimx14

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 6215
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2021, 03:00:30 PM »
I know my shock is not anything like it was new. But $500-1000 for a shock, just too much..

Then remove the sidestand and use a stick to prop the bike up when parked or just lay the bike on its side. There are cheap or even free solutions :thumb:
It's the ones who've cracked that the light shines through!

Online Huzo

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 10223
  • Location: Creswick Australia
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2021, 03:16:45 PM »
Lovely pic Peter!  We share the same love of stickers!

If you like, I have a few extra ones from Cedar Vale from prior years that I have made, be glad to send a few your way so you can ride with us "in spirit"!

Cheers!
Thank you for your offer Paul.
If I receive them Iíll pop them on. Thereís a bit of space where the ones from Spain washed off...! :sad:
All things being equal, Iíll be back in Europe 2022 with the Norge and Iíll get some more.

Online Huzo

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 10223
  • Location: Creswick Australia
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2021, 03:19:28 PM »
I know I will have to address the rear shock at some point because nothing lasts forever. But it looks like I need to replace the fork seals this winter since I have one that is starting to seep. Also going to have to replace the grips since they are really getting tacky (without replacing the entier heated assembly)
Iíd be inclined to jump on the bike and measure the distance from a known point to the ground. Then compare that with someone elseís.... :popcorn: :popcorn:

Offline nwguy

  • Sunday Rider
  • **
  • *
  • Posts: 162
    • Jim Gallant's home page
  • Location: Poulsbo, WA
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2021, 04:18:15 PM »
Sometimes all you need is a new spring.

I just ordered a new spring for my 08 Norge's rear shock from Kyle Racing yesterday. They say they're the biggest Ohlins distributor in the US. I scraped quite a bit of metal off of the foot plate on my side stand on my last ride on Rte 47 out of Clatskanie, OR on my last trip when loaded with camping gear. Someone's modified my sidestand (spliced with some tubing) and I think it sticks out more than stock. I've heard the stock shock and spring are designed for someone who weighs about 150 pounds. I'm pushing 220. With leathers and camping gear for long trips the spring is totally inadequate. On my last big ride I met a guy named Scott who has a heavier rated Ohlins spring on his stock shock and is happy with it. He's almost 300 pounds. I just received a text from him the other day telling me that for a Norge, the first part of the model number I want is 01092, which describes the length (170mm) and inside diameter (57mm). The next part of the number shows the force rating. Scott got the 54Y version which is 140nm. I ordered the 41Y version which is 115nm. Scott said he read something from a 190lb rider in gear who got a the 95nm version and says he wished he got the 105nm version. I figured the next step up from the 115, which is 130, would be too stiff for me. The guy I talked to at Kyle Racing felt the same way. Anyway, my new spring's on the way so I'll see how that goes. Given what I paid for my Norge, this seems a more sane way to acceptably solve this problem for me rather than getting new shock/spring for $500-$1,000. My spring costs $105.

Here's a link to the Ohlins Spring chart I'm hosting on my website:

http://nwguy.fun/mc/OhlinsSpringChart.pdf
Current:  2008 Norge, 2002 Honda Reflex Scooter

Past:  3 Buell Lightnings, 2002 BMW R1150RS
2005 Ducati Multistrada, First gen Kawasaki Concours, Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic, 2002 Honda ST110, Aprilia Falco, Suzuki VX800, Yamaha Radian, Suzuki TS185, Yamaha RD400

Online Huzo

  • Guzzi Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 10223
  • Location: Creswick Australia
Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2021, 04:29:03 PM »
Damn right.. :thumb:

***Wildguzzi Official Logo High Quality 5 Color Window Decals Back In Stock***
Shipping in USA Only. Awesome quality. Back by popular demand. All proceeds go back into the forum.
http://www.wildguzzi.com/Products/products.htm
Advertise Here
 


Harper's Moto Guzzi : Go Ride , Break Parts, Call me!
Harper's Moto Guzzi. Where we still answer the phone, use the highest quality parts, and also do Transmission, rear drive, and carb rebuilds fast. Call us at 816.697.3411 and get your problems resolved.
http://www.harpermoto.com
Advertise Here