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Title: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: vintage53 on June 24, 2021, 02:52:59 PM
It happened.......... 

Was getting fuel, and a conversation began.     ( Started by a rider of that Big American Twin )

What is it? , Is that small bike stable on the Interstate?     

I was riding my V11 Coppa.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: sign216 on June 24, 2021, 02:56:22 PM
Oh Lord.  Someone who never heard of Pirseg?  Never read Aerostich's "Lightweight Unsupported Travel."

But the main point; the V11 isn't even a small bike.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Gliderjohn on June 24, 2021, 04:18:01 PM
I had more interstate miles than I want to admit to on my GS400. Worked fine 90% of the time.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 24, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
I would have told him its as stable as a Harley on a trailer on the way to Daytona.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 24, 2021, 04:44:51 PM
Oh Lord.  Someone who never heard of Pirseg?  Never read Aerostich's "Lightweight Unsupported Travel."

But the main point; the V11 isn't even a small bike.

In all fairness I have no idea one Harley from the next and they are omnipresent. I get the "Big Arn" guy not knowing about an obscure eye-talian.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: MotoG5 on June 24, 2021, 04:48:19 PM
My first "Big Road Bike" was a BMW R60US. Rode it two up for thousands of miles in the US and Canada two up and loaded with camping gear. Had bags,faring and luggage rack. And it was stable too!
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 24, 2021, 04:54:45 PM
My first "Big Road Bike" was a BMW R60US. Rode it two up for thousands of miles in the US and Canada two up and loaded with camping gear. Had bags,faring and luggage rack. And it was stable too!

But in al fairness to this speeds traveled were substantially slower than today. Even 30 years ago when traveling to apprenticeship classes the interstate was 55mph and if you were doing 60/65 you were going fast and you did 70 you were setting the pace. FF 30 years and the exact same road now if you are not running 75/80 you are getting run down.

Earlier this year below Jacksonville FL on I-95 near triple digits (at night) were not uncommon to keep up with the flow. 

Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Caffeineo on June 24, 2021, 05:20:58 PM
The group I ride with are mostly on Indians and HD and then there I am on the Bobber Sport.  :bike-037: Here in Idaho we have 80 MPH speed limit on the freeway. I can easily cruise at 80+ and it seems very stable to me. Have not ridden in a serious crosswind so I do not know what that is like.....but going fast down the slab is just fine on the little bike.  :grin:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 24, 2021, 05:23:12 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/7CkyrsB/T7-3rd-day.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7CkyrsB)
I really don't have a problem with this 400 lb monster  :grin:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: JJ on June 24, 2021, 05:31:45 PM
I have often said, any motorcycle engine that has to be flogged on any of our interstates has to have the ability to "cruise" comfortably at 70-75mph, without killing the motor or the rider.   :thumb: :wink: :cool:

Strong cross winds would be the only big concern on a lighter bike.

I can think of several smaller motorcycles that I owned that were just fine on the open interstate highway: Yamaha RD400, Kawasaki 500 H1 triple, BMW R80RT, Yamaha TX500A (twin), Yamaha 750 / 850 triple, Norton 850 Commando Interstate MK III, Laverda SF2 750 twin. :thumb: :boozing: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: kballowe on June 24, 2021, 05:57:06 PM
The best "interstate" bike I ever owned was a big, fat, Honda VTX1800N. 

You can ride anything on the interstate, but my experience is that ya get beat-up less, and there's more comfort on the fat, heavy bikes.

Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: sign216 on June 24, 2021, 07:37:02 PM
I would have told him its as stable as a Harley on a trailer on the way to Daytona.

Well put.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: MotoG5 on June 24, 2021, 07:48:47 PM
But in al fairness to this speeds traveled were substantially slower than today. Even 30 years ago when traveling to apprenticeship classes the interstate was 55mph and if you were doing 60/65 you were going fast and you did 70 you were setting the pace. FF 30 years and the exact same road now if you are not running 75/80 you are getting run down.

Earlier this year below Jacksonville FL on I-95 near triple digits (at night) were not uncommon to keep up with the flow.
True enough. As I see it the stability of most bikes at the top speed they are capable of will be acceptable. Now the question of how comfortable or safe when used on Interstate roads is really a matter of how the rider feels about it. What ever the individual is comfortable with can be used as long as it will meet the minimum speed for that road. How smart or safe that is as I said is up the individual to determine. For the last few years I have come to avoid crowded Interstates as much as possible. I will do it when I have no other option but I find the congestion, heavy truck traffic and texting drivers to be more work than fun. 
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: JJ on June 24, 2021, 09:25:46 PM
The best "interstate" bike I ever owned was a big, fat, Honda VTX1800N. 

You can ride anything on the interstate, but my experience is that ya get beat-up less, and there's more comfort on the fat, heavy bikes.

I present to you..."Moby Dick"...my 2014 Victory Vision.....aka, The Great White Whale....871 pounds....45-47 MPG....25 inches seat height....and in 6th gear at 80 mph...it is the ultimate cruiser! :thumb: :bow: :boozing: :cool:


(https://i.ibb.co/L88V6dM/IMG-3140.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L88V6dM)

famous poem about grief (https://poetandpoem.com/grief/4)
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: kballowe on June 24, 2021, 10:05:23 PM
I present to you..."Moby Dick"...my 2014 Victory Vision.....aka, The Great White Whale....871 pounds....45-47 MPG....25 inches seat height....and in 6th gear at 80 mph...it is the ultimate cruiser! :thumb: :bow: :boozing: :cool:


(https://i.ibb.co/L88V6dM/IMG-3140.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L88V6dM)

famous poem about grief (https://poetandpoem.com/grief/4)


Ha !  Those are great, aren't they ?  Haven't owned a Vision but have owned a couple of Gl1800 Goldwings. 
 :bike-037:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 25, 2021, 06:13:10 AM
True enough. As I see it the stability of most bikes at the top speed they are capable of will be acceptable. Now the question of how comfortable or safe when used on Interstate roads is really a matter of how the rider feels about it. What ever the individual is comfortable with can be used as long as it will meet the minimum speed for that road. How smart or safe that is as I said is up the individual to determine. For the last few years I have come to avoid crowded Interstates as much as possible. I will do it when I have no other option but I find the congestion, heavy truck traffic and texting drivers to be more work than fun.

We too also try and avoid the busy roads but sometimes they are a necessary evil. The other thing is I'm not retired and I don't have unlimited PTO at work. Sometimes big days at the beginning or end of a trip are needed so I have more time at the destination. Having a bike and desire that you can comfortably grind out a 800 or 1000+ mile a day really opens up what you can see and do.

Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 25, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
I would have told him its as stable as a Harley on a trailer on the way to Daytona.

I used to have that same attitude.  Then I grew up and learned that riding on the interstate to get somewhere because you have limited vacation time isn't really riding.  Oh, and I do recall you hauling a bike or two in the back of your truck.  Mmm.  Just in case you forgot, you posted it here.  https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=111035.msg1761529#msg1761529

There is no shame in hauling bikes to where the riding is good.  I still manage to get in thousands of miles a year, but now all my riding is on enjoyable roads to ride. 

Hauling also allows me to bring multiple bikes to cover more riding opportunities. 


(https://i.ibb.co/9TYwmR8/20180411-175940-27584305868-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9TYwmR8)

(https://i.ibb.co/6nYwvRg/20180408-065030-41412361522-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nYwvRg)

(https://i.ibb.co/dbKN8Zy/20190223-110043.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbKN8Zy)


The trailer also serves as my garage while staying in hotels for work. 


(https://i.ibb.co/xgCVngz/sm-20191006-080024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xgCVngz)

(https://i.ibb.co/LSgGM6q/sm-20191006-155502.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LSgGM6q)


And then in 2020 I found myself with more time on my hands since work travel got canceled and turned my trailer into a rustic toy hauler camper.


(https://i.ibb.co/VYZQf8J/IMG-2526.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYZQf8J)

(https://i.ibb.co/VYJZVjr/IMG-2603.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYJZVjr)

(https://i.ibb.co/xsPXRSX/IMG-2604.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xsPXRSX)


Sometimes I load one of my 300 lb bikes on the rack behind my truck to take with me to enjoy at my destination.


(https://i.ibb.co/GF33N85/sm20190620-163638.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GF33N85)


So, since you yourself have hauled bike, I guess you were just trying to be funny.  But, your not. 
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 25, 2021, 07:34:42 AM
I used to have that same attitude.  Then I grew up and learned that riding on the interstate to get somewhere because you have limited vacation time isn't really riding.  Oh, and I do recall you hauling a bike or two in the back of your truck.  Mmm.  Just in case you forgot, you posted it here.  https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=111035.msg1761529#msg1761529

There is no shame in hauling bikes to where the riding is good.  I still manage to get in thousands of miles a year, but now all my riding is on enjoyable roads to ride. 

Hauling also allows me to bring multiple bikes to cover more riding opportunities. 


(https://i.ibb.co/9TYwmR8/20180411-175940-27584305868-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9TYwmR8)

(https://i.ibb.co/6nYwvRg/20180408-065030-41412361522-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nYwvRg)

(https://i.ibb.co/dbKN8Zy/20190223-110043.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbKN8Zy)


The trailer also serves as my garage while staying in hotels for work. 


(https://i.ibb.co/xgCVngz/sm-20191006-080024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xgCVngz)

(https://i.ibb.co/LSgGM6q/sm-20191006-155502.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LSgGM6q)


And then in 2020 I found myself with more time on my hands since work travel got canceled and turned my trailer into a rustic toy hauler camper.


(https://i.ibb.co/VYZQf8J/IMG-2526.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYZQf8J)

(https://i.ibb.co/VYJZVjr/IMG-2603.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYJZVjr)

(https://i.ibb.co/xsPXRSX/IMG-2604.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xsPXRSX)


Sometimes I load one of my 300 lb bikes on the rack behind my truck to take with me to enjoy at my destination.


(https://i.ibb.co/GF33N85/sm20190620-163638.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GF33N85)


So, since you yourself have hauled bike, I guess you were just trying to be funny.  But, your not.

No shit I've hauled bikes in the bed of a truck and on trailers. I've never said I haven't or wouldn't. How else am I going to get them home. I mean the last bike I bought was 300 miles away I surely wasn't going to walk there and then ride the bike home. I've bought bike that weren't running and pushing them home wasn't an option. What I historically haven't done is haul bikes to riding destinations and I do not plan.

To me riding a motorcycle on the interstate the TOTD or anywhere in between is riding. Being in a car or truck towing a motorcycle is not riding to me. But I guess we all define "riding" differently.



Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: JJ on June 25, 2021, 07:35:13 AM
I have been thinking about getting one of these KENDON stand-up MC trailers... :thumb: :boozing: :cool:


(https://i.ibb.co/bR2ZBhr/Screen-Shot-2021-06-25-at-5-33-55-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/bR2ZBhr)

(https://i.ibb.co/Fxps23f/Screen-Shot-2021-06-25-at-5-33-49-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/Fxps23f)
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: steven c on June 25, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
 I find riding my KLX250s with a small windshield at 70 to be like riding on jello.. better without the windshield .
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 25, 2021, 08:50:53 AM
The AeroLario will run all day on the interstates if she has to. Stable, too. They had a wind tunnel and knew how to use it back in the day,.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: kballowe on June 25, 2021, 09:08:09 AM
To the OP - did you ever think that maybe that guy was simply trying to make conversation ?
Maybe he had a genuine interest in your bike, and how it handles on the interstate.

Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: kballowe on June 25, 2021, 09:27:37 AM
The only time that I see more than one Moto Guzzi is at a rally.

But, it appears that they also get trailered, from time to time


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51270709449_b6316ee295_b.jpg)


Personally, we trailered our 2014 Yamaha VStar 1300 the 1200 miles out to Yellowstone in 2019. 


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51271014385_6475f88c54_b.jpg)
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 25, 2021, 10:55:14 AM
The only time that I see more than one Moto Guzzi is at a rally.

But, it appears that they also get trailered, from time to time


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51270709449_b6316ee295_b.jpg)


Personally, we trailered our 2014 Yamaha VStar 1300 the 1200 miles out to Yellowstone in 2019. 

Hey Kev, do you get any trailer buffeting that way??

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51271014385_6475f88c54_b.jpg)
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: vintagehoarder on June 25, 2021, 11:27:02 AM
I would have told him its as stable as a Harley on a trailer on the way to Daytona.

Haaa!!
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 25, 2021, 12:08:46 PM
No shit I've hauled bikes in the bed of a truck and on trailers. I've never said I haven't or wouldn't. How else am I going to get them home. I mean the last bike I bought was 300 miles away I surely wasn't going to walk there and then ride the bike home. I've bought bike that weren't running and pushing them home wasn't an option. What I historically haven't done is haul bikes to riding destinations and I do not plan.

To me riding a motorcycle on the interstate the TOTD or anywhere in between is riding. Being in a car or truck towing a motorcycle is not riding to me. But I guess we all define "riding" differently.

Nice way to back out of that one Perazzimx14.   :evil:

Who said hauling a motorcycle was riding?  Only you.  Go ahead and wear out those tires getting to where the riding is fun.  Your choice.  But don't rag on me for my choice.  OK?
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: TheHungarian on June 25, 2021, 12:40:34 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: MotoG5 on June 25, 2021, 12:51:07 PM
I have been thinking about getting one of these KENDON stand-up MC trailers... :thumb: :boozing: :cool:


(https://i.ibb.co/bR2ZBhr/Screen-Shot-2021-06-25-at-5-33-55-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/bR2ZBhr)

(https://i.ibb.co/Fxps23f/Screen-Shot-2021-06-25-at-5-33-49-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/Fxps23f)

I owned one for 20 years. Loved it. Just recently sold it to my grandson who has accumulated a small fleet of bikes. Its still in good condition and ready for another generation of family riders.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: dirtiegirtie on June 25, 2021, 02:43:49 PM
Something tells me there is more than what is on this thread?
 
:boxing:
      :weiner:
                :violent1:

Oh well. I guess I to shall...
 :popcorn:  :popcorn:  :popcorn:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: kballowe on June 25, 2021, 02:58:51 PM
Something tells me there is more than what is on this thread?
 
:boxing:
      :weiner:
                :violent1:

Oh well. I guess I to shall...
 :popcorn:  :popcorn:  :popcorn:

There is.

We are waiting for your five cents worth.

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 25, 2021, 03:13:05 PM
Anybody have any 'sperience with the bumper hitch carrier? Riding my ass off and wearing out MC tires just to get to a destination to ride becomes less fun all the time. The F-150 cab seems more comfy.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Moparnut72 on June 25, 2021, 03:48:33 PM
I got the one from  Harbor Freight to carry an old Yamaha 125 on the back of the 5th wheel. It carried the bike just fine but on back of the trailer it was pretty high which made loading and uploading pretty tough requiring some manhandling. I don't have the Yamaha anymore but want to carry the V7 on it. Not being heavy duty enough for that bike I beefed it up and in the process lowered it a bit. I have yet to use it with the V7. I am nervous about something going wrong, the V7lll is a lot more bike than the old beat up Yamaha.
kk
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 25, 2021, 09:03:35 PM
:popcorn:

No need even replying. He's spoiling for an internet fight that he's not going to get. Just like the song "The Winner" I quit he's the winner.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on June 25, 2021, 09:55:48 PM
Anybody have any 'sperience with the bumper hitch carrier? Riding my ass off and wearing out MC tires just to get to a destination to ride becomes less fun all the time. The F-150 cab seems more comfy.

Can't say yet, but about to try on our Defender with the Ducati.

NJ Nick carries his Aprilia on one and seems happy with it.

So fingers crossed.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: AH Fan on June 26, 2021, 12:29:00 AM
I would have told him its as stable as a Harley on a trailer on the way to Daytona.


And ya that's a real thing with that crowd...........    :laugh:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: moto-uno on June 26, 2021, 12:43:52 AM
  You guy's gotta be American  :laugh:. Towing motorcycles to riding destinations , good heavens that's almost pathetic .  :popcorn:  Peter
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: bacongrease on June 26, 2021, 07:12:59 AM
    My riding partners are old , 70 +, with bad backs and other health issues. Trailering to the Black Hills ( eg.) allowes them to actually ride there instead laying in bed crying all day from long days in the saddle.  :embarrassed:  one  guy has to sleep on he floor his back is so bad.  :bike-037:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: bacongrease on June 26, 2021, 07:15:20 AM
I would have told him its as stable as a Harley on a trailer on the way to Daytona.

 It is a legitimate question from someone who is curious.
It doesn't deserve a wise ass answer.   :bike-037:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: dirtiegirtie on June 26, 2021, 07:21:51 AM
Ride for fun. Ride for transportation. Plan a vacation around riding and trailer your bike there. Plan a vacation where it's just you and your bike camping road side.
Be respectful of your surroundings.
Be respectful of other riders.
And enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: centauro on June 26, 2021, 07:33:34 AM
Germany has a well known system of high speed highways, known as autobahns.
From what I remember from the 11 years driving there, is that any motor vehicle only requires a minimum speed of 60 KPH (41 mph) to drive on them. Even a Vespa PX 80 (80cc) is legal there, and mine is 150CC.

This tale of having only big bikes on the Interstates is just that, old tales. I have never felt unsafe on any of my bikes, even in 30 mph crosswinds or headwinds, either here or abroad. Yes, it gets exciting in those conditions, of course, and it all boils down to whether or not you know what you are capable of dealing with, regardless of the size or weight of bike or car.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 26, 2021, 07:37:02 AM
Anybody have any 'sperience with the bumper hitch carrier? Riding my ass off and wearing out MC tires just to get to a destination to ride becomes less fun all the time. The F-150 cab seems more comfy.

This is exactly what I will be doing in August.  Also why I bought the KLX300SM (besides being a cool bike).  Going to New England to spend time with my parents while I still can.  The only bike I could ride there would be the Harley and I don't fancy riding through the northeast when I am used to riding on deserted roads here. 

There are many receiver hitch carriers out there from the $100 HF one I have to $800 jobs designed to carry heavier bikes behind motorhomes. 

If it was something I was going to do full time I would mount additional receivers along the frame rails of the truck to create 3 points of contact with the rail for added stability and more tie down points.

Here it is with my Van Van loaded.  I added the extra LED trailer lights to it after this test fit.


(https://i.ibb.co/K5pb2wf/sm20190620-163705.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K5pb2wf)


There is no way I am riding the Van Van to the places I want to camp.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 26, 2021, 07:40:01 AM
Germany has a well known system of high speed highways, known as autobahns.
From what I remember from the 11 years driving there, is that any motor vehicle only requires a minimum speed of 60 KPH (41 mph) to drive on them. Even a Vespa PX 80 (80cc) is legal there, and mine is 150CC.

This tale of having only big bikes on the Interstates is just that, old tales. I have never felt unsafe on any of my bikes, even in 30 mph crosswinds or headwinds, either here or abroad. Yes, it gets exciting in those conditions, of course, and it all boils down to whether or not you know what you are capable of dealing with, regardless of the size or weight of bike or car.

I'm more nervous riding around Fort Walton Beach than I ever would be on the highway.  LOL!  I have found most routes through neighborhoods to avoid the "tourist" roads, but they can't be avoided if you want to go out onto Okaloosa Island or Navarre Beach. 
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on June 26, 2021, 08:20:28 AM
I know one doesn't NEED a huge bike for the interstate, but it sure does change the experience.

And a Vespa might be fine on the autobahn, but I hear people actually obey the rules of the road on those. Here in the US it's often the wild wild west on the highway and survival of the fittest. Though I CAN ride my own speed in the slow lane more often than not it does expose me to more dangers at times.

As for this thread, jeez guys it's more judgy than high school.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: elrealistico on June 26, 2021, 08:22:23 AM
Prolly just making conversation. I did a charity poker run with the HD crowd locally, it left from a local HD dealer. I took my T140V, the run was abut 165 mi with 3 stops in between. A guy at the HD dealer wondered aloud to me how I could take such a small bike on such a long ride   :grin: No problem at all of course, especially with the top speed never going above 65mph with that bunch.
I got a busted flush and didn't win anything :sad:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: travelingbyguzzi on June 26, 2021, 08:31:19 AM
There is no shame in trailering your bike to Daytona. Ya gotta consider that these guys (and gals) are coming from Ohio and Pennsylvania in late winter where there is quite likely still snow on the ground.
Regarding trailering your bike to The Black Hills or Zion, how is that worse than flying and renting a bike?
Itís all good.
I have never trailered a bike in half a million miles of riding, but I get it.
It keeps the wife happy. It keeps your back happy.
You have 6000 miles of tire, but it is a 6500 mile trip.
Nobody likes crossing the prairie or desert in August.
Itís all good.
As my dad used to tell me, ďSon, make yourself happyĒ.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 26, 2021, 08:39:56 AM
^^^^^ Words of wisdom right there.  :thumb:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Rough Edge racing on June 26, 2021, 10:55:37 AM
 I never pay any attention to bikes on trailers that might be hauled to a bike meet..Why would anyone care?
  On the scale both my 79 Triumph 750 and 96 900 Monster are slightly less than 400 pounds..The carefully  tuned Triumph contrary to popular belief can run at 80 mph , 5200 rpm, and not blow up. But the bike is not happy, stable but sensitive to winds...The Ducati is  more comfortable and steady, but windy, I dislike riding the Interstate.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: centauro on June 26, 2021, 03:12:45 PM
I'm more nervous riding around Fort Walton Beach than I ever would be on the highway.  LOL!  I have found most routes through neighborhoods to avoid the "tourist" roads, but they can't be avoided if you want to go out onto Okaloosa Island or Navarre Beach.

Been living, riding this area for over 21 years, now, and, except for an old Guzzi Robin  49cc moped, (that I would like to have) any other Guzzi is more than adequate to deal with the local traffic, here. Lots of idiot cagers and clueless tourists, especially this time of the year, but really nothing than can't be dealt with. I have had a couple of close sphincter- tightening calls, of course, like most of us here have had.
But riding around Naples, Italy takes the cake.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: kballowe on June 26, 2021, 03:27:02 PM


Hey Kev, do you get any trailer buffeting that way??


We'll have to test that theory.   Maybe I can get on the bike (on the trailer), and have the Missus drive me around.  In the meantime, we can start a betting pool on the odds of getting pulled over - and a second pool on (if) we get ticketed.

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: s1120 on June 27, 2021, 07:47:25 AM


This tale of having only big bikes on the Interstates is just that, old tales. I have never felt unsafe on any of my bikes, even in 30 mph crosswinds or headwinds, either here or abroad. Yes, it gets exciting in those conditions, of course, and it all boils down to whether or not you know what you are capable of dealing with, regardless of the size or weight of bike or car.

Ya, I have never felt a ton of difference myself. Heck ive gotten blown around in small, and big cars, and trucks big and small also..  Frankly the wind doest care if its a 400lb bike or a 800 lb bike in my experience.

Knowing the local HD riders to me I think its a valid question though, and not a slam. My experience is they WANT to dislike the MG's because its not HD...  but are too intrigued..
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: JJ on June 27, 2021, 07:51:55 AM
There is no shame in trailering your bike to Daytona. Ya gotta consider that these guys (and gals) are coming from Ohio and Pennsylvania in late winter where there is quite likely still snow on the ground.
Regarding trailering your bike to The Black Hills or Zion, how is that worse than flying and renting a bike?
Itís all good.
I have never trailered a bike in half a million miles of riding, but I get it.
It keeps the wife happy. It keeps your back happy.
You have 6000 miles of tire, but it is a 6500 mile trip.
Nobody likes crossing the prairie or desert in August.
Itís all good.
As my dad used to tell me, ďSon, make yourself happyĒ.

Agreed 100% ..."There is no shame in trailering" - - if the situation / conditions calls for it. :wink: :thumb: :cool:  Certainly beats sitting at home on the couch with the remote... :wink: :grin: :laugh:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: ampm7 on June 27, 2021, 03:12:42 PM
No matter how you do it, it is all about having fun!
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: xackley on June 27, 2021, 10:56:52 PM
My 1958 R69 still cruises at 70 all day long. Nothing ever done except points plugs tires and valve adjustment.Don
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 28, 2021, 05:59:42 AM
Being brutality honest here.  It isn't a matter of can a smaller, lighter, less powerful bike ride on the interstate, it is whether it ca do it among the big rigs, trucks, SUVs, etc. without being beat up by the turbulent wind created by all these vehicles.

If we are being honest, no bike is fun riding in this type of fast moving traffic, but smaller, lighter bikes are less fun to a point of downright scary.

Unless you have ridden a late model Road Glide, Goldwing, Voyager, or one of the other frame mounted fairing touring / sport touring bikes on the interstate you don't really know what a difference they can make.

If you haven't tried one and think your bike does fine, just imagine how much better those bikes designed for interstate travel would be.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 28, 2021, 07:23:16 AM
When it comes to interstate travel with gusty crosswinds, semis, etc. I'll take a Centauro, Sport, or the Mighty Scura every time. They don't seem to get blown around like the touring barges to me. Admittedly, my experience of tourers are Harley and my old R100RT, though. <shrug>
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: JJ on June 28, 2021, 07:46:05 AM
When it comes to interstate travel with gusty crosswinds, semis, etc. I'll take a Centauro, Sport, or the Mighty Scura every time. They don't seem to get blown around like the touring barges to me. Admittedly, my experience of tourers are Harley and my old R100RT, though. <shrug>

* Chuck is right, the Centauro GT is pretty good on the interstate and in light crosswinds... :thumb:


(https://i.ibb.co/r6bWkT2/IMG-4001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r6bWkT2)


* At 871 pounds, with a long wheelbase and 25" seat height), "The White Whale", (Victory Vision), does not move an inch... :wink:


(https://i.ibb.co/ZY7rHXb/IMG-3140.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZY7rHXb)


* The WORST bike I ever owned for strong crosswinds was my Triumph Sprint GT.  It must have been the fairing design or something, because it sometimes felt downright dangerous...and scared me more than a few times!! :rolleyes: :shocked:


(https://i.ibb.co/xzy4M3G/Screen-Shot-2021-06-28-at-5-46-37-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/xzy4M3G)





Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Gliderjohn on June 28, 2021, 08:36:36 AM
The Norge doesn't like strong crosswinds or semis. My T-3 is much better in those conditions.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: JJ on June 28, 2021, 08:40:50 AM
The Norge doesn't like strong crosswinds or semis. My T-3 is much better in those conditions.
GliderJohn

The T-3 has a low center of gravity...I believe this helps A LOT! :wink:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on June 28, 2021, 08:54:48 AM
When it comes to interstate travel with gusty crosswinds, semis, etc. I'll take a Centauro, Sport, or the Mighty Scura every time. They don't seem to get blown around like the touring barges to me. Admittedly, my experience of tourers are Harley and my old R100RT, though. <shrug>

More than a decade ago IIRC Jenn and I headed out to a bike gathering in mid-Ohio only to start by riding straight into a tropical storm.

That same storm was followed by (or caused) a wind storm that wound up knocking out power from mid-Ohio to Pittsburgh.

We rode in both storm and my Breva 1100 was getting blown around the road ridiculously (and the B11 is normally a pretty solid mount in a lot of crosswinds). There were points in the wind storm where I was blown clear across the lane from one side to the other, almost into the next lane. Jenn was relatively unscathed on the lower profile and slightly heavier 1200 Sportster.

Back a decade before that I had three bikes in the garage - a Luftmeister fairing R80/7, an R1100RSa, and an EVO RK.

Two had to go and I decided to keep ONE, the  R1100RSa because:

* It had the lowest miles (by 10's of thousands)
* It had ABS

But I failed to consider WHY it had the lowest miles. Despite lower weight and having ABS it had a taller center of gravity and was much less confidence inspiring in foul weather from rain to anything with wind. Though a good highway bike, it was crap compared to the King in crosswinds.

There are a lot of components to making a good highway bike, and weight is not the only one, but center of gravity, profile, bodywork, even I think suspension plays a part.

It's not surprising that a lot of people don't realize there are multiple factors, or concentrate too much on one.

But my jumbo-sized RK is definitely A MUCH MUCH better bike for highway comfort (including crosswinds and buffeting) than my smallblocks.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 28, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
Can't say yet, but about to try on our Defender with the Ducati.

NJ Nick carries his Aprilia on one and seems happy with it.

So fingers crossed.

I'm about to order myself one. I sure I can get the little T7 loaded pretty easy.  :thumb:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 28, 2021, 11:23:32 AM
This is exactly what I will be doing in August.  Also why I bought the KLX300SM (besides being a cool bike).  Going to New England to spend time with my parents while I still can.  The only bike I could ride there would be the Harley and I don't fancy riding through the northeast when I am used to riding on deserted roads here. 

There are many receiver hitch carriers out there from the $100 HF one I have to $800 jobs designed to carry heavier bikes behind motorhomes. 

If it was something I was going to do full time I would mount additional receivers along the frame rails of the truck to create 3 points of contact with the rail for added stability and more tie down points.

Here it is with my Van Van loaded.  I added the extra LED trailer lights to it after this test fit.


(https://i.ibb.co/K5pb2wf/sm20190620-163705.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K5pb2wf)


That's what I'm talkin' about!

There is no way I am riding the Van Van to the places I want to camp.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 28, 2021, 11:41:49 AM
When it comes to interstate travel with gusty crosswinds, semis, etc. I'll take a Centauro, Sport, or the Mighty Scura every time. They don't seem to get blown around like the touring barges to me. Admittedly, my experience of tourers are Harley and my old R100RT, though. <shrug>

Just saying Harley is like saying Honda. If you havenít tried a Rushmore Road Glide you havenít experienced a solid frame mounted fairing Harley.  All other Harleys pale in comparison.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Gliderjohn on June 28, 2021, 12:03:27 PM
From JJ:
Quote
The T-3 has a low center of gravity...I believe this helps A LOT!
It also has much less covered areas that I would guess reduce kiting.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Moparnut72 on June 28, 2021, 12:09:40 PM
I had one of these on my R75/5. This is not my bike,  mine was silver, so everything matched. Rode in still air, in fact slight pressure on my back. Very stable, compared to the handle bar mounted Wixom on my R50/2. That is a bad comparison due to different front end designs. I tried every windshield and fang combination on my Harley Slim that I could think of and was never able to get rid of the buffeting. Even the naked bike caused it to some degree, probably all the tin on the upper forks. Another reason I got rid of it.
kk


(https://i.ibb.co/KDYDqVx/james-duncan4-IMG-0519-zps0655ee96.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KDYDqVx)
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: rocker59 on June 28, 2021, 12:43:16 PM
Anybody have any 'sperience with the bumper hitch carrier? Riding my ass off and wearing out MC tires just to get to a destination to ride becomes less fun all the time. The F-150 cab seems more comfy.

John,

I've had a Versa-Haul hitch carrier since 2003.  I've hauled all over the country with it.

Largest bike I've hauled was the Nero Corsa from NWA to DC.

Contact me offline if you want more info on using them.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: rocker59 on June 28, 2021, 12:45:31 PM
It happened.......... 

Was getting fuel, and a conversation began.     ( Started by a rider of that Big American Twin )

What is it? , Is that small bike stable on the Interstate?     

I was riding my V11 Coppa.

Just moto-ignorance at work.  It's been that way for decades.

One of the most stable bikes I've owned was my V11 LeMans Nero Corsa.  Comfortable thousand mile days on all kinds of roads.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kane on June 28, 2021, 01:55:03 PM
I have come to appreciate the foamy center tank pad strip on my Ď01 V11 Sport for tucking in behind the flyscreen for my one-hour-each-way commute on the Southern California freeways. It actually has a function!
Staying ahead of the charging lemmings and riding in the open spaces between traffic clusters necessitates cruising around 90mph. Tucking in helps with the buffeting, and is not uncomfortable for me. I think cruise control would be a nice thing to have to be able to shake out my right hand, but I do not have that. What I find a little odd is there is a stretch of highway (the 605 S between the 210 and the 60) where the buffeting increases dramatically, yet the trees look still so itís not caused by the wind. I tuck in for pretty much that whole stretch and it helps stabilize the bike, which is already pretty stable. Because of that road I have also begun to wear earplugs!
I would not hesitate to ride that bike on tours, though I wish I could get more distance between fill-ups. I would be concerned to be stranded on some of the 200+ distances between gas stations that exist in the west. That bike sucks up the gas pretty good.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 28, 2021, 02:33:36 PM
John,

I've had a Versa-Haul hitch carrier since 2003.  I've hauled all over the country with it.

Largest bike I've hauled was the Nero Corsa from NWA to DC.

Contact me offline if you want more info on using them.

Mike, I was actually hoping you'd see this and tell me yours is for sale  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 28, 2021, 02:37:48 PM
I have come to appreciate the foamy center tank pad strip on my Ď01 V11 Sport for tucking in behind the flyscreen for my one-hour-each-way commute on the Southern California freeways. It actually has a function!
Staying ahead of the charging lemmings and riding in the open spaces between traffic clusters necessitates cruising around 90mph. Tucking in helps with the buffeting, and is not uncomfortable for me. I think cruise control would be a nice thing to have to be able to shake out my right hand, but I do not have that. What I find a little odd is there is a stretch of highway (the 605 S between the 210 and the 60) where the buffeting increases dramatically, yet the trees look still so itís not caused by the wind. I tuck in for pretty much that whole stretch and it helps stabilize the bike, which is already pretty stable. Because of that road I have also begun to wear earplugs!
I would not hesitate to ride that bike on tours, though I wish I could get more distance between fill-ups. I would be concerned to be stranded on some of the 200+ distances between gas stations that exist in the west. That bike sucks up the gas pretty good.


(https://i.ibb.co/LNCK1wY/lock.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LNCK1wY)

where do i find screen resolution on my computer (https://whatsmyscreenresolution.com/)


I've used these on all my bikes. Not really as a "cruise control" but you can give the right wrist a break  :thumb:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kane on June 28, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated!
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: rocker59 on June 28, 2021, 03:11:02 PM
Mike, I was actually hoping you'd see this and tell me yours is for sale  :grin: :grin:

not for sale, but could be bought.  We can talk.  I haven't used it in a few years, since the last V7 Classic sold.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: rocker59 on June 28, 2021, 03:18:08 PM

I would not hesitate to ride that bike on tours, though I wish I could get more distance between fill-ups. I would be concerned to be stranded on some of the 200+ distances between gas stations that exist in the west. That bike sucks up the gas pretty good.

I took to carrying a 1-gallon Rotopax fuel pack, but I never had to use it.

At elevations over 5,000 feet, the V11's fuel economy improves enough to run 200 miles between fill ups.

Normally, my bike would return 38-mpg regularly at lower elevations, 0-5,000 feet.  I would stop at 170-mile intervals, which gave me about 20-miles of padding. 

When I had the Nero Corsa in Colorado in 2009 for the Colorado Classic 1000 rally, it was returning nearly 50-mpg in the 7,000 to 12,000 feet elevations we were riding.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 28, 2021, 03:31:21 PM
not for sale, but could be bought.  We can talk.  I haven't used it in a few years, since the last V7 Classic sold.

I could save you from having to mow around it  :laugh:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kane on June 28, 2021, 05:21:19 PM
Thanks, rocker. I think 38 mpg is about right, even on the optimistic side, but thatís with battling and hammering through L.A. traffic. Cruising some alpine elevations would also take the strain off of me! A better mentality-per-gallon!
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 12, 2021, 12:23:11 PM
Anybody have any 'sperience with the bumper hitch carrier? Riding my ass off and wearing out MC tires just to get to a destination to ride becomes less fun all the time. The F-150 cab seems more comfy.

Finally tested the new hitch carrier with Jenn's Duc and the D110.

Just loaded it and took it around the block a couple of times. But cautiously optimistic this is going to work out for us.

We went with:

BlackWidow SMC-600r

https://www.blackwidowpro.com/motorc...rs/p/smc-600r/

I have to say the D110 didn't seem to know or care it was there. To use it properly I'm going to have to remove the right side rider's peg to keep it from contacting the spare and I'm going to triple-check the tie-downs, but otherwise it looks like we should be good to go.

Besides using it for this trip it will be nice to know it's available should any of our svelte Italian girls require a rescue (or the same for any of our friends).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLV93hngG8_QdubyjQZgCc8BoQF2AsEkKbpWzj3rPhFmjwcteDRjhplNCmSijDQwv2RfPpQ5wJpQBg7ZEb8_VDlWxVvsCoIgE__GUykr5ziDSmLY7T_6b-HZLaSBczbngxOR5u4jUHmls8-NHBf_CkiuGQ=w1108-h830-no?authuser=0)

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Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: vintage53 on July 12, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
Hi Kev ,
What's  the limit on the Carrier,  I wonder if my V11 at 500Lbs + , ~ would work? 

I would put on a 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: JJ on July 12, 2021, 01:30:33 PM
I'll bet you could "WHEELIE" that SUV under the right circumstances!!   :shocked: :rolleyes: :laugh: :grin: :wink:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 12, 2021, 01:32:16 PM
Hi Kev ,
What's  the limit on the Carrier,  I wonder if my V11 at 500Lbs + , ~ would work? 

I would put on a 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee.

It's possible (assuming rear wheel isn't too wide) but I think you'd be really pushing it.

The carrier is supposedly good for up to 600#.

But it weighs about 100# and the load is definitely out farther than most trailer tongue loads. So that Grand Cherokee better have a hell of a tow/tongue weight rating.

Our old WK2 had the tow package with self-leveling rear shocks but only a tow rating of 5k or so, meaning tongue weight weight would probably be maxed at 500# total nevermind 600# held farther back

Our D110: replaced the GC and it's got both air shocks and ~7500 or ~7800# tow rating. I figure with a 400# bike and 100# rack we're still hundreds of pounds below the max tongue weight.

But I don't think I'd put anything bigger than our V7's on it.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 12, 2021, 01:34:09 PM
I'll bet you could "WHEELIE" that SUV under the right circumstances!!   :shocked: :rolleyes: :laugh: :grin: :wink:

I hear they jumped a bunch of stock ones for the upcoming James Bond flick and they drove away

But as much tongue weight as that is, it's still a drop in the bucket compared to the weight of the Rover. And the Air suspension should keep it level.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on July 12, 2021, 02:59:06 PM
Finally tested the new hitch carrier with Jenn's Duc and the D110.

Just loaded it and took it around the block a couple of times. But cautiously optimistic this is going to work out for us.

We went with:

BlackWidow SMC-600r

https://www.blackwidowpro.com/motorc...rs/p/smc-600r/

I have to say the D110 didn't seem to know or care it was there. To use it properly I'm going to have to remove the right side rider's peg to keep it from contacting the spare and I'm going to triple-check the tie-downs, but otherwise it looks like we should be good to go.

Besides using it for this trip it will be nice to know it's available should any of our svelte Italian girls require a rescue (or the same for any of our friends).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLV93hngG8_QdubyjQZgCc8BoQF2AsEkKbpWzj3rPhFmjwcteDRjhplNCmSijDQwv2RfPpQ5wJpQBg7ZEb8_VDlWxVvsCoIgE__GUykr5ziDSmLY7T_6b-HZLaSBczbngxOR5u4jUHmls8-NHBf_CkiuGQ=w1108-h830-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVDGOjKPApPEvLaBbGlV9hO6toJGMHN-VdPN_NC173Kx4RX3LjqSCBitWrY2eJprCt74iBQ0yTK-xBhVzFfbmz7TJH_6Kgtt5XtLBQC1-eKVT2rUYFLS_-tFxhS8c67RnsucK2AnheSkr8sBmVXsthHgA=w1108-h830-no?authuser=0)

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Get one of those roof rack baskets and put the spare tire up there.  It's not like you or the misses are going to change a tire yourselves on a range rover.   :embarrassed:

The one thing I like about my rack is that you don't have to back the bike off.  load it under power and unload under power.  But, mine is only rated for 400 lbs which works well for my 300 lb bikes. 
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 12, 2021, 03:26:54 PM
Get one of those roof rack baskets and put the spare tire up there.  It's not like you or the misses are going to change a tire yourselves on a range rover.   :embarrassed:

The one thing I like about my rack is that you don't have to back the bike off.  load it under power and unload under power.  But, mine is only rated for 400 lbs which works well for my 300 lb bikes.

Ha ha we had a flat the first few months we owned it and the tailgate looks HORRIBLE with just the empty carrier on it. So much so my youngest complained about riding in Mom's "ghetto" car.  :grin:


PS, she called ME and I changed it lol.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on July 13, 2021, 06:09:25 AM
Ha ha we had a flat the first few months we owned it and the tailgate looks HORRIBLE with just the empty carrier on it. So much so my youngest complained about riding in Mom's "ghetto" car.  :grin:


PS, she called ME and I changed it lol.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: TimmyTheHog on July 13, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
Do you think this is small enough? :P


(https://i.ibb.co/6Ht8Npc/image.png) (https://ibb.co/6Ht8Npc)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-WgGh9lvx4
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 28, 2021, 07:27:01 AM
Finally tested the new hitch carrier with Jenn's Duc and the D110.

Just loaded it and took it around the block a couple of times. But cautiously optimistic this is going to work out for us.

We went with:

BlackWidow SMC-600r

https://www.blackwidowpro.com/motorc...rs/p/smc-600r/

I have to say the D110 didn't seem to know or care it was there. To use it properly I'm going to have to remove the right side rider's peg to keep it from contacting the spare and I'm going to triple-check the tie-downs, but otherwise it looks like we should be good to go.

Besides using it for this trip it will be nice to know it's available should any of our svelte Italian girls require a rescue (or the same for any of our friends).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLV93hngG8_QdubyjQZgCc8BoQF2AsEkKbpWzj3rPhFmjwcteDRjhplNCmSijDQwv2RfPpQ5wJpQBg7ZEb8_VDlWxVvsCoIgE__GUykr5ziDSmLY7T_6b-HZLaSBczbngxOR5u4jUHmls8-NHBf_CkiuGQ=w1108-h830-no?authuser=0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVDGOjKPApPEvLaBbGlV9hO6toJGMHN-VdPN_NC173Kx4RX3LjqSCBitWrY2eJprCt74iBQ0yTK-xBhVzFfbmz7TJH_6Kgtt5XtLBQC1-eKVT2rUYFLS_-tFxhS8c67RnsucK2AnheSkr8sBmVXsthHgA=w1108-h830-no?authuser=0)

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If anyone was interested the carrier worked fantastically for a good nearly 400 mile run yesterday. The Land Rover didn't even notice it back there.

Very pleased.

Now Jenn and I can leave the Rover and the kids with family and head off for a couple of days on our bikes.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: s1120 on July 28, 2021, 07:36:16 AM
If anyone was interested the carrier worked fantastically for a good nearly 400 mile run yesterday. The Land Rover didn't even notice it back there.

Very pleased.

Now Jenn and I can leave the Rover and the kids with family and head off for a couple of days on our bikes.

I always thought those were so wild. I would think you would get a lot of twisting movement while moving. Was that a issue at all? I know I would never want to put my 02 stone on it...  but looks like a nice setup that would allow me to travel wit a smaller duel sport.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 28, 2021, 05:07:01 PM
I always thought those were so wild. I would think you would get a lot of twisting movement while moving. Was that a issue at all? I know I would never want to put my 02 stone on it...  but looks like a nice setup that would allow me to travel wit a smaller duel sport.

Yeah a Stone would max out the carrier by weight, but a stout enough truck could probably handle it

I think it's much better suited to the Duc and possibly the V7's as needed in the future.

Obviously a dirt bike/dual sport or scooter would be a cinch.

On the carrier itself  Though a normal hitch tends to have some play this carrier comes with menthods to help minimize this.

The hitch pin has almost an interference fit and there is a collar that slides over the draw bar and hitch with four bolts that you tighten against the hitch/bar to help hold them together.

As an additional brace I ran a set of straps over the wheels, and over the outer corners of the carrier and attached them to the safety chain eyelets on the hitch synching then down also reduced any possibility of play/rocking.

I rode behind the Defender for at least 300 of those miles and even after driving over potholes, expansion joints, or other irregularities the Defender and the carrier looked completely steady and undisturbed.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Ncdan on July 28, 2021, 07:59:42 PM
If anyone was interested the carrier worked fantastically for a good nearly 400 mile run yesterday. The Land Rover didn't even notice it back there.

Very pleased.

Now Jenn and I can leave the Rover and the kids with family and head off for a couple of days on our bikes.
Im a little surprised you couldnít tell it was even there. I had a carrier on the back of my Grand Cherokee with some gear and a couple MT bikes and it made a noticeable difference in the handling. Maybe itís suspension is lighter than your SUV?
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 29, 2021, 01:12:36 AM
Im a little surprised you couldnít tell it was even there. I had a carrier on the back of my Grand Cherokee with some gear and a couple MT bikes and it made a noticeable difference in the handling. Maybe itís suspension is lighter than your SUV?

Our Grand Cherokee had a tow package with self leveling rear suspension and heavy duty brakes. It was a decent rig for the little stuff we towed with it. But I wouldn't have tried this with it.

Our GC was not even close to the Defender for this kind of duty. The latter has a full air suspension, a little more wheelbase, brakes for days, another 100+ hp and even more additional torques, plus it's rated for thousands of # more tow weight and hundreds of pounds more tongue weight. Speaking of brakes, the calipers are so massive you can't fit anything smaller than 19" wheels over them. And the chassis/suspension is extremely stout without being harsh.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 29, 2021, 07:30:09 AM
Kev , I wonder if the wild stallion would ride on that carrier ?

 Dusty

Sorry man the reference is completely lost on me?  :huh:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: s1120 on July 29, 2021, 08:06:53 AM
Thanks for the review Kev. 
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on July 29, 2021, 02:32:08 PM
What were we talking about just a month ago ? A very territorial critter ?

 Dusty

Ha ha, oh yeah him lol. I think he would wheelie the Rover lol.  :grin:
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: centauro on July 30, 2021, 03:21:18 PM
Either of these would still make for a decent smaller touring rig; but, of course, they never broke record sales here in the US.

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Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 03, 2021, 09:28:48 PM
Nice set-up.  Does the bike have a much of a rear wheel weight bias?  Looks like it is not evenly placed left to right.

At 100 lbs for the rack, I wouldn't want more than 400 lbs of bike on there behind my truck.

My lightweight rack does well for the van van and KLX, but not sure I'd put anything heavier even though it is rated for 400 lbs.


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Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on August 04, 2021, 06:56:57 AM
Nice set-up.  Does the bike have a much of a rear wheel weight bias?  Looks like it is not evenly placed left to right.

At 100 lbs for the rack, I wouldn't want more than 400 lbs of bike on there behind my truck.

My lightweight rack does well for the van van and KLX, but not sure I'd put anything heavier even though it is rated for 400 lbs.

No idea about weight bias on the Duc.

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And yes it's offset to the left. That's the default position of the wheel chock.

I could change it, but it would mean the pivot would foul the LED trailer lights I added forcing them to be off center or otherwise relocated, plus it would put the handlebar closer to the tire, and might make loading harder as we already have to lean it towards us to get around the spare.

Also it might set the slightly longer V7s back further if/when we carry them (though their wheelbase is the same too, so might be fine).

But more importantly by my observation for hundreds of miles riding behind it, and Jenn's report after two nearly 400 mile days, it has zero noticeable effect on the LR.

Between the weight of the SUV and the air suspension that leveled it front-to-rear there was no noticeable difference in ride or handling and it did not appear to lean in appreciable way.

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Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 04, 2021, 07:37:35 AM
 :thumb: As long as it works for you.

I analyze everything since that is part of my job. I would have weighed each end of the bike at the contact point, then adjusted the wheel chock to have a balanced load on the rack. I would figure it out for each bike and moved the chock where needed for each.

I go to the public scales every time I change the trailer configuration. I discovered that the lighter Van Van needed to be in front of the heavier V7 to not have too much tongue weight.
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: Kev m on August 04, 2021, 07:52:38 AM
:thumb: As long as it works for you.

I analyze everything since that is part of my job. I would have weighed each end of the bike at the contact point, then adjusted the wheel chock to have a balanced load on the rack. I would figure it out for each bike and moved the chock where needed for each.

I go to the public scales every time I change the trailer configuration. I discovered that the lighter Van Van needed to be in front of the heavier V7 to not have too much tongue weight.

And I thought I over-analyzed shyte?  :grin: :wink:

You're not wrong of course, but I just didn't bother thinking it through that much.

I thought about the wheel chock when I assembled it but figured I'd put in the default position and test it. When it tested fine I stopped thinking about it.

I can always move it, but there doesn't seem to be any "need."

Though I do kinda wonder how the twisting force translates to the draw bar/hitch?

But then again, as I said the spare tire complicates things. I would worry we'd have problems getting it into the wheel chock because the bike might still be leaned back for the handlebar to clear the spare as the tire entered the chock.

Not gonna worry about it for how little we plan on using it (occasional trip or service run or recovery, meaning probably 1-2 times a year at most).
Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: ITSec on August 04, 2021, 08:27:35 PM
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Title: Re: "Is that small bike stable on the interstate?
Post by: ITSec on August 04, 2021, 08:30:06 PM
I have been thinking about getting one of these KENDON stand-up MC trailers... :thumb: :boozing: :cool:


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I had one once, sold it. Now I'm looking to buy one again. They are great. I would suggest the ride-on option (better ramp, etc). Consider whether the factory chock suits the bikes you will carry or if you need an alternative.