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alternative 98 EV turn signals
« on: October 15, 2022, 06:06:30 AM »
OEM turn signals on 1998 replaced 2 X's in the past 10 or so years.

I'm now looking for folks who have actually replaced with an alternative source.
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2022, 07:55:50 AM »
Some Buells use a similar but more flexible stem.
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2022, 08:03:18 AM »
I'm looking into making replacements with my 3D printer.
Not sure it will work out.
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2022, 09:02:33 AM »
I'm looking into making replacements with my 3D printer.
Not sure it will work out.
This issue has been discussed number times in the past. Someone else suggested making the rubber part that always deteriorate, maybe out of a more durable material.
Iíve monkey rigged all four of mine on my 2002 Stone.
Please Wayne, by all means, if you have the capability to produce this part of the turn signal, make it happen!


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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2022, 09:02:33 AM »

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2022, 09:45:09 AM »
This issue has been discussed number times in the past. Someone else suggested making the rubber part that always deteriorate, maybe out of a more durable material.
Iíve monkey rigged all four of mine on my 2002 Stone.
Please Wayne, by all means, if you have the capability to produce this part of the turn signal, make it happen!

My plan is to make a fairly simple rigid internal metal piece, with a cheap cosmetic plastic cover.
But now that I am retired, I never have time to work on anything like this.  :rolleyes:
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2022, 03:02:50 PM »
I replaced the turn signal assemblies on a 2003 Cali Aluminum I used to own, with aftermarket ( Emgo, I think) turn signals meant for a Kawasaki Vulcan. The shape was very similar to the Oem Guzzi ones, and they mounted up with one bolt. I just had to make a small aluminum adapter plate with a hole in the center, to mount them up.

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2022, 07:36:59 AM »
This issue has been discussed number times in the past. Someone else suggested making the rubber part that always deteriorate, maybe out of a more durable material.
Iíve monkey rigged all four of mine on my 2002 Stone.
Please Wayne, by all means, if you have the capability to produce this part of the turn signal, make it happen!


Dan

Yes, this issue has been discussed numerous times in the past and here we are again.

If anyone creates the STL files I have access to 100+ 3D printers that can produce parts in various materials including SLS/SLS/DLP and a few others....more than willing to help.
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2022, 03:19:11 PM »
Jackal with 3D printed custom standoffs to blend the stalk radius. Metal housings on the directionals...





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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2022, 08:44:54 PM »


I do not understand the fuss about this.

My approach -- while admittedly a bit inelegant for the effete  :rolleyes: -- has worked just fine.   













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Don't think it's from mine, but if so, let me know and I or mods can reduce those.



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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2022, 11:29:18 PM »
My 94 cali appears to have the same signals. They feel ďlooseĒ a little bit ( just like my 98ev) and I saw some tiny cracks. I coated the entire black stalk with 2 part clear epoxy to strengthen it and then shot it with a spritz of black rubber undercoating.  Looks great. Maybe it will give me some more time.
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2022, 07:50:12 AM »
My Cal turn signals have started to degrade. I put the front stalks on the back to bring in the turn signals, and shortened the rear stalks to about an inch long and put them on the front. When they crap out completely(not if) I will be looking for an alternative.
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2022, 12:50:15 PM »
It is basically a faulty design.  Not up to the task.  The stalk, although it looks like rubber, is not flexible.  Instead of dampening vibration loads, it merely transfers those loads.

The stalk is held in place by a single Allen screw at one end and a 'hook' of metal at the other which is bent at a 90 degree or "L" angle.  When new, these two components held the stalk firmly in place on the bike.  Over time and road vibration, the 'hook' is not strong enough and gradually begins to bend open.  Thus, that side of the stalk is no longer secure and the full load is transferred to the Allen screw and its threaded receiver.

The cure is to remove the stalk and rap on the 'hook' with enough hammer force to bend it back to its original, 90 degree angle.

Over time it happens again.  Rinse and repeat.  YMMV.

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2022, 09:50:20 AM »
The cure is to remove the stalk and rap on the 'hook' with enough hammer force to bend it back to its original, 90 degree angle.

On my 94 California 1100, they rubber held up and the hook bent as you show,
On my 2004 EV, the rubber has turned to dust. Nearly. As in even JB Weld can't patch it up too well.
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2022, 11:46:56 AM »
On my 94 California 1100, they rubber held up and the hook bent as you show,
On my 2004 EV, the rubber has turned to dust. Nearly. As in even JB Weld can't patch it up too well.
As mine did, the rubber compound turns to a crumbling solid.
If someone with the capability to use a 3D printer and duplicate the rubber part with a solid nylon material, Iím thinking that would be a permanent fix.
I definitely donít know the facts about the printer thing, Iím just speculating as to an acceptable fix.

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2022, 02:14:23 PM »
As mine did, the rubber compound turns to a crumbling solid.
If someone with the capability to use a 3D printer and duplicate the rubber part with a solid nylon material, Iím thinking that would be a permanent fix.
I definitely donít know the facts about the printer thing, Iím just speculating as to an acceptable fix.

The Indiana contingent is taking a stab at this. Will update when/if successful
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2022, 09:59:02 PM »
3D printing should work nicely.  However, that embedded 90 degree hook is a different story.  :-(  Kudos to anyone who solves both simultaneously.

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2022, 07:42:32 AM »
3D printing should work nicely.  However, that embedded 90 degree hook is a different story.  :-(  Kudos to anyone who solves both simultaneously.

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I donít think the hook is a must. I obtained one that didnít have the hook.
I applied a little epoxy and snugged the Allen head bolt down good and itís held fine for the past year👍

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2022, 08:29:45 PM »
Some Buells use a similar but more flexible stem.

Used those on my Quota. Wiring was a little different but I used the Old ones spliced in.

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2022, 05:18:53 PM »
First step to printed parts.





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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2022, 06:56:48 PM »
First step to printed parts.




Nice! When you get ready to release them to the members for sale, just let us know and put them in the swap meet.
Iíll take two right as soon as they are ready for release.

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2022, 05:26:40 PM »
First step to printed parts.





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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2022, 11:43:44 AM »
Iíll take two right as soon as they are ready for release.
So will I

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2022, 12:22:13 PM »
Iíll take a set as well!
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2022, 03:16:53 PM »
I think it needs a label.
If I knew how I would put on the eagle.
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2022, 04:44:28 PM »
I think it needs a label.
If I knew how I would put on the eagle.
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Is that the finished product Wayne?
If so will they be going in the Swap Meet Section available for members to purchase soon?
Iíll be willing to receive a free set for experimental evaluation purposes🤔😂😂😂
Just kidding Sir. 👍

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2022, 05:32:26 PM »
Is that the finished product Wayne?
If so will they be going in the Swap Meet Section available for members to purchase soon?
Iíll be willing to receive a free set for experimental evaluation purposes🤔😂😂😂
Just kidding Sir. 👍

I'm not sure how I will manage it. But I am not in the game to make a profit. But of course, beer money is always good.  :evil:  I'm looking into it.

I still have a few glitches to work out.
I think I got a good eagle logo too.

This is the latest version.





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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2022, 05:38:10 PM »
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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2022, 05:58:35 PM »
I'm not sure how I will manage it. But I am not in the game to make a profit. But of course, beer money is always good.  :evil:  I'm looking into it.

I still have a few glitches to work out.
I think I got a good eagle logo too.

This is the latest version.




Youíre the man Wayne👍

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2022, 07:13:59 PM »
The eagle is a great touch

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Re: alternative 98 EV turn signals
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2022, 05:34:15 PM »
First prototype installed.
These have a modified base to let them clear the fairing, which I have wanted for years.



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