V9 Bobber vs Sport

[inditx]

SO is the Bobber sport worth the diffenerence in price from the regular Bobber?
I know it has Ohlins which are sweet but what else?

Asking for a friend. 
inditx

[Kev m]

SO is the Bobber sport worth the diffenerence in price from the regular Bobber?
I know it has Ohlins which are sweet but what else?

Asking for a friend. 
inditx

Differences include:

* Ohlins shock (obviously)
* lower risers (better looking too, at least to me)
* controls that are further back (at least judging from the website and any Bobbers I've seen in real life, though I wonder if some might have been the early-models with the more forward controls)
* full sidecovers (much nicer looking to me too, than the half sidecovers on the standard Bobber)
* Solo seat and no passenger pegs/mounts.

Having ridden the BS (Bobber Sport) a couple of times now I'm completely smitten. I'm not sure I would feel that same way about the standard Bobber.

Ironically MSRP differences are small - but leftovers of the standard Bobber can be had staggeringly cheaper so that could be a factor for someone. I'm not sure it would matter to me. BS all the way...

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Differences include:

* Ohlins shock (obviously)
* lower risers (better looking too, at least to me)
* controls that are further back (at least judging from the website and any Bobbers I've seen in real life, though I wonder if some might have been the early-models with the more forward controls)
* full sidecovers (much nicer looking to me too, than the half sidecovers on the standard Bobber)
* Solo seat and no passenger pegs/mounts.

Having ridden the BS (Bobber Sport) a couple of times now I'm completely smitten. I'm not sure I would feel that same way about the standard Bobber.

Ironically MSRP differences are small - but leftovers of the standard Bobber can be had staggeringly cheaper so that could be a factor for someone. I'm not sure it would matter to me. BS all the way...

The first round of V9 had the more forward controls..... They moved them back on the '2nd model year', including the bobber, roamer, and bobber sport

[Kev m]

The first round of V9 had the more forward controls..... They moved them back on the '2nd model year', including the bobber, roamer, and bobber sport

I know, I cited that in my third bullet.

HOWEVER, looking at the Guzzi website right now shows photos of the Bobber and Roamer with pegs that are still more forward than the BS.

http://www.motoguzzi.com/us_EN/moto/standard/V9/V9-Bobber/

I guess it's possible, if the 2017 colors were the same on both, that they didn't update the website photos after the relocation kit and that all of the examples I've come across on the floor at a couple of dealers just all didn't have the relocation kit installed.

I certainly seem to prefer where the BS pegs are (which is almost identical to where they are on the V7 series, back-to-back it appeared the BS might be up to an inch forward of that, maybe a difference in shape/size more than mounting, or an optical illusion, but Jay and I went back and forth a couple of times looking at em last Friday).

Anyway, yeah if the relocated pegs are in the same position as on the BS that would be one less difference and a plus for the Bobber.

[s1120]

Differences include:

* Ohlins shock (obviously)
* lower risers (better looking too, at least to me)
* controls that are further back (at least judging from the website and any Bobbers I've seen in real life, though I wonder if some might have been the early-models with the more forward controls)
* full sidecovers (much nicer looking to me too, than the half sidecovers on the standard Bobber)
* Solo seat and no passenger pegs/mounts.

Having ridden the BS (Bobber Sport) a couple of times now I'm completely smitten. I'm not sure I would feel that same way about the standard Bobber.

Ironically MSRP differences are small - but leftovers of the standard Bobber can be had staggeringly cheaper so that could be a factor for someone. I'm not sure it would matter to me. BS all the way...

Just as a aside... can you add rear pegs and a passenger seat to the sport?? 

[Kev m]

Just as a aside... can you add rear pegs and a passenger seat to the sport??

I would assume so, but I have not confirmed yet.

[Cam3512]

There does appear to be an attachment point on the rear fender for the longer seat.

[twowheeladdict]

If "your friend" really likes the bobber sport but is willing to settle for a bobber he will never truly be satisfied with it. 

If he just cant afford the sport then he should buy a leftover.

[inditx]

 

[kingoffleece]

I'll mention it again.  Guzzi supplied a kit to  move the pegs back for the first V9's after they were first introduced.  I believe it is/was N/C for the kit.

[TalbotMatra]

The only notable upgrade is Öhlins shock absorbers. The rest is optics. Therefore I would simply buy the version that I like better aesthetically, because the Ohlins can also be retrofitted. If I had the choice in 2017, I would have bought the Bobber Sport (mainly because of the paintwork).

Ciao
Lars

[inditx]

Thanks KevM and Lars.

[Kev m]

I'll mention it again.  Guzzi supplied a kit to  move the pegs back for the first V9's after they were first introduced.  I believe it is/was N/C for the kit.

. Can anyone confirm WHERE that puts the pegs?

[Kev m]

The only notable upgrade is Öhlins shock absorbers. The rest is optics. Therefore I would simply buy the version that I like better aesthetically, because the Ohlins can also be retrofitted. If I had the choice in 2017, I would have bought the Bobber Sport (mainly because of the paintwork).

Ciao
Lars

I was gonna add a bullet to my list after seeing your poor o paint.

* BS doesn't have an exposed/soluble sticker on the tank.

[Devildog]

So most of us agree the Sport is not much different from the previous Bobber which sold poorly. What if the paint was gloss on the Sport? It would have set the Sport further apart from the standard Bobber and created a much more distinctive bike. Might be my future project if/when they heavily discount the Sport.

[LowRyter]

I can't imagine that huge front tire will handle well. 

[jas67]

The only notable upgrade is Öhlins shock absorbers. The rest is optics. Therefore I would simply buy the version that I like better aesthetically, because the Ohlins can also be retrofitted. If I had the choice in 2017, I would have bought the Bobber Sport (mainly because of the paintwork).

Ciao
Lars

The Öhlins shocks for the V7 III are around $1,200-$1,300.    I'm guessing that the V9 Bobber ones are like the same.
Looking at the pics of the current V9 models, the non-Sport V9's both have their pegs more forward than the Sport, but, not as far forward as the original V9 models.

I can't imagine that huge front tire will handle well.

That's what I expected, but, was pleasantly surprised when I rode the BS (Kev's name for the Bobber Sport).   Handling was quite similar to the V7 III.    Yes, it is a big fat tire, but, it is on a 16" wheel, so, total diameter is likely about the same of the 18" on the V7.

With the more rear set pegs (vs. the other V9's) and the lower bar risers, the ergos were quite similar to the V7III.    The V9 motor has noticeably more low end grunt vs. the V7III than I'd have expected for only 100cc more.

I was pleasantly surprised by it, and really did enjoy riding it, which I didn't expect.

Back to V9 Sport vs. non-sport, Sport all the way for me.     Aside from the orange color which I like, despite being flat (clear coat it!), the side panels are full sized like those on the V7 Racer, and Carbon models, and much nicer looking than the other V9 models' side covers.

[Kev m]

I can't imagine that huge front tire will handle well.

Yet, it does, go figure.

Catch up with the demo fleet... Accident MD (soon, maybe this weekend, I forget) or in Chicago sometime after that.

[sliphorn]

Yet, it does, go figure.

Catch up with the demo fleet... Accident MD (soon, maybe this weekend, I forget) or in Chicago sometime after that.

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July 2nd the fleet will be at Woodstock Powersports in far northwest suburban Chicago. I'll be there to ride the Bobber Sport. I already rode the V85 at another dealer a while back, and I liked it, but I'm very interested in the BS and am looking forward to riding it. I could see myself on one someday.

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[Kev m]

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July 2nd the fleet will be at Woodstock Powersports in far northwest suburban Chicago. I'll be there to ride the Bobber Sport. I already rode the V85 at another dealer a while back, and I liked it, but I'm very interested in the BS and am looking forward to riding it. I could see myself on one someday.

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Tell him Kev from Jersey with the crazy licence says hi. He'll be amused.

PS enjoy the BS, it's awesome.

[jas67]

Tell him Kev from Jersey with the crazy licence says hi. He'll be amused.

PS enjoy the BS, it's awesome.

Everyone that goes to the demo events for the rest of the tour should tell him that.

[sliphorn]

Tell him Kev from Jersey with the crazy licence says hi. He'll be amused.

PS enjoy the BS, it's awesome.

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Will do!

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[TalbotMatra]

So most of us agree the Sport is not much different from the previous Bobber which sold poorly. What if the paint was gloss on the Sport? It would have set the Sport further apart from the standard Bobber and created a much more distinctive bike. Might be my future project if/when they heavily discount the Sport.

You mean something like that?




Ciao
Lars

[TalbotMatra]

Looking at the pics of the current V9 models, the non-Sport V9's both have their pegs more forward than the Sport, but, not as far forward as the original V9 models.

Maybe thats helpfull:
a) Bobber 1.version
b) Bobber Sport








Ciao
Lars

[Kev m]

Maybe thats helpfull:
a) Bobber 1.version
b) Bobber Sport








Ciao
Lars

Yeah we did this side by side at a dealer.

Problem is we haven't found a confirmed standard Bobber V 1.1 with the revised peg location to confirm if it is the same as the BS or not.

If the one you have pictured is the 1.1 and not 1.0 then that's another difference with the BS.

[TalbotMatra]

Sorry,

picture one is V 1.0!

Ciao
Lars

[Kev m]

Sorry,

picture one is V 1.0!

Ciao
Lars

I figured, but thanks. 

[jas67]

Here are pics of the Sport and current-model Bobber right off Guzzi's website.
Look at foot peg position vs. the transmission output casing.




This shot shows the same later style mounting as above.   The peg is behind the two mounting bosses, you can see the two bolt heads.


The V7III has the same foot controls as the first-year V9, but, the mounting bosses on frame are much further back.
This shot shows a V7 III foot control, other side, but, they're basically mirror images.   You can clearly see that the pegs are between the bosses, and not behind as the later ones.

[twowheeladdict]

I can't imagine that huge front tire will handle well.

Why?

I would think it has a larger contact are for better grip.

The geometry has more to do with handling than how large the front tire is.

[sliphorn]

Tell him Kev from Jersey with the crazy licence says hi. He'll be amused.

PS enjoy the BS, it's awesome.

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Kev, Dan says the job offer is still good!

I rode both the BS and V85TT. I rode the BS first and I really liked how strong it pulls in the lower rev ranges. It handles well and the riders triangle was ok for me. Just ok. I like to ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs and with the BS that made my knee angle a bit tight. There was also a passing vibe that came through the seat but it only appeared in a very narrow rev range and it was not annoying or unpleasant. The clean air coming off the front of the bike was great too! The clutch pull was very light and the gearbox was smooth and positive. Brakes were good too. Very nice!

A couple months back I rode the V85TT at a different dealer and that bike was definitely not set up correctly. Dan was there that time too and he was aware of that. Since then, all of the demo bikes have been very well set up. Today I rode the grey one and it is set up beautifully. It has a very light clutch pull, super smooth gear box and the throttle was spot on unlike the previous one I rode. The V85TT does not pull as hard in the lower rev ranges as the BS does. Lighter flywheel? But! Once under way it has a strong mid range which makes overtaking very easy. It likes to rev! The riders triangle is perfect for me and the stock seat is very comfortable. I've never been on a stock seat that is as comfortable as this one is. The V85TT is clearly more versatile and ever so slightly more refined than the BS and would be the one I'd choose even though I prefer the engine character of the V9. Brakes are excellent but the shield caused some buffeting that was a bit annoying. A lip or larger shield would probably remedy that.

Both of these Guzzi's are very nice bikes.

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