Author Topic: Project Live Wire - Electric Harley Davidson merged threadfest (Read 41775 times)

LongRanger · « **Reply #30 on:** June 19, 2014, 12:02:59 PM »

Electric Glide

wittangamo · « **Reply #31 on:** June 19, 2014, 01:22:32 PM »

Has anyone seen dates and stops for the LiveWire tour? I'd love to throw my leg across one.

Don't think I'd ever trade the Griso for it, but it would be fun for short hops.

barenekd · « **Reply #32 on:** June 19, 2014, 05:06:45 PM »

Well, at least, they are now making a "Motor"Cycle.
Bare

jas67 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 19, 2014, 05:08:55 PM »

Harley-Davidson LiveWire Electric Motorcycle – First Ride: http://tinyurl.com/HDlivewire

Wildguzzi.com · « **Reply #33 on:** June 19, 2014, 05:08:55 PM »

kirkemon · « **Reply #34 on:** June 19, 2014, 05:38:34 PM »

humm........wonder where all the noise will be ???

http://project.harley-davidson.com/en_US

DDCNY · « **Reply #35 on:** June 19, 2014, 06:21:58 PM »

I have owned a few Harleys and own a Fat Bob currently and their sound is one of the reasons people buy them(myself included) but many are just too loud. Now a silent H-D? I think that that would be cool as well--and the bike looks good too--but how much and how long can it go before it stops?
So far electric bikes just cost too much and don't get you very far.

rocker59 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 19, 2014, 06:28:10 PM »

I just merged two more threads into the original.

How many more new "Electric Harley" threads do you think will be posted?

LOL...

:beat_horse

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #37 on:** June 19, 2014, 06:39:54 PM »

Quote from: rocker59 on June 19, 2014, 06:28:10 PM

I just merged two more threads into the original.

How many more new "Electric Harley" threads do you think will be posted?

LOL...

:beat_horse

Vegas says bet 100 to win 130 on over 5. ;D

Lannis · « **Reply #38 on:** June 19, 2014, 07:31:49 PM »

Quote from: rocker59 on June 19, 2014, 06:28:10 PM

I just merged two more threads into the original.

How many more new "Electric Harley" threads do you think will be posted?

LOL...

:beat_horse

..... and the thread subject will be "Wow, look at THIS!"

tonUPRacer · « **Reply #39 on:** June 19, 2014, 09:45:35 PM »

I think its one of the better looking e-bikes and I hope HD goes forward with production.

zedXmick · « **Reply #40 on:** June 19, 2014, 10:18:39 PM »

I give it ;-T Hope electric modes of transportation make a huge leap forward!!

scra99tch · « **Reply #41 on:** June 19, 2014, 10:41:56 PM »

This is what the Harley will sound like/

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a14_1403228003

From the user comments

"You think Harley will still be able to build an electric bike that leaks oil."

rocker59 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 19, 2014, 10:50:54 PM »

Quote from: scra99tch on June 19, 2014, 10:41:56 PM

This is what the Harley will sound like/

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a14_1403228003

From the user comments

"You think Harley will still be able to build an electric bike that leaks oil."

LOL! Good one! ;-T

TalkingGriso · « **Reply #43 on:** June 21, 2014, 01:05:48 AM »

So Harley is building a Griso that sounds like a private jet and never needs gasoline. I am impressed, even with the minuscule range.

Moto Fugazzi · « **Reply #44 on:** June 28, 2014, 05:00:49 PM »

I just test rode one today, and I must say it's pretty cool. They have an engineer on hard who asks for feedback after the ride, and here's the story I heard from another employee:
They will not be building this bike as it sits. They are getting feedback from riders on what they like and don't like about it, and will design a new bike based on that. It may have a completely different motor and battery system, and maybe they won't ever build a version of these. The current bike has a lithium ion battery and has a 3 phase AC motor with a single speed tranny.
Pics and vids to follow later tonight.
Ken

ohiorider · « **Reply #45 on:** June 28, 2014, 05:07:57 PM »

The recent edition of "Time" had an interesting article on LiveWire as well as comments from HD personnel on what they're doing to improve operations.

http://time.com/2899493/harley-davidsons-livewire-goes-electric/

RinkRat II · « **Reply #46 on:** June 28, 2014, 05:52:34 PM »

:beat_horse I've heard all this crap since 1973 and no one has actually built an electric vehicle that was for the masses and did it successfully. EZ GO golf carts are the exception. Battery technology still hasn't caught up with the times and all you hear is "within the next few years, we'll have that solved." Solar Panels sound familiar? Those engineers at Delphi did it back in the 80's but GM pulled the plug. Pun intended. All it amounts to nowadays is exercises in futility and getting tax dollars to pay for "research". If all this is so swell why in the world would HD take this to the "people" and then claim it may need this or that redesigned. I'm still not buying it!

kckershovel · « **Reply #47 on:** June 28, 2014, 07:42:12 PM »

It's kind of like in the bicycle industry. Shimano has had patient designs for 14 speed rear cog sets since the time there were only 7 but every few years we get one more. Oddly enough Campy usually adds one more out back then Shimano follows and Sram. If they sold the best stuff they had they couldn't keep selling us new stuff. Then the economic slavery would end and most people would not know what to do with themselves. All these changes have to happen slowly so they have time to come up with other stuff to sell. Free energy,100 mpg cars, not working 40hrs a week or more. who are we kidding. Pipe dreams and folk lore I tell you folk lore.

I hope they do it though. I heard there was going to be a small compartment that uses there old 4 speed trans seal to slowly drip oil underneath. Also if you let it run out a check engine light will come on and not let power got to the electric motor.

kckershovel · « **Reply #48 on:** June 28, 2014, 11:14:51 PM »

Quote from: oldbike54 on June 28, 2014, 09:20:05 PM

HD doesn't build bikes for the niche market.
Dusty

And here I thought they only built bikes for a niche market. Be it there own niche market. I don't see allot of variety from Harley. It's do you want a small cruiser or large? fearing or no. bags hard or soft. that's about it.

Matt Story · « **Reply #49 on:** June 28, 2014, 11:48:47 PM »

I think their concept for the audio signature sucks! Constant high pitch sound is very annoying. Almost like nails on a chalk board. Silent would be much preferred.

Moto Fugazzi · « **Reply #50 on:** June 29, 2014, 01:27:05 AM »

Quote from: Matt Story on June 28, 2014, 11:48:47 PM

I think their concept for the audio signature sucks! Constant high pitch sound is very annoying. Almost like nails on a chalk board. Silent would be much preferred.

Once you start moving, you can't hear the high pitch sound. Another test rider commented that he could actually hear the wind on these, and I wanted to comment on his choice of straight pipes on his current bike.
Ken

Moto Fugazzi · « **Reply #51 on:** June 29, 2014, 02:13:09 AM »

Here's a vid on photobucket. You can also see the other pics in the library.

Ken

jas67 · « **Reply #52 on:** June 29, 2014, 06:21:56 AM »

The up close details look a lot more like a production bike than a prototype. Build quality looks to be good (from the pics, anyway).

brlawson · « **Reply #53 on:** June 29, 2014, 09:18:26 AM »

This is not Harley's first attempt at making and electric bike.

One of the few bikes Dale doesn't have to kick over at Wheels Through Time.

Yeahoo Whoyah · « **Reply #54 on:** October 03, 2014, 08:08:08 PM »

Rode over to Sonoma H-D for the Northern California LiveWire event. I did not have a reserved ride time like my friend Griso John. I signed up on the stand-by list and got to go in the five bike group along with Griso John. I didn't expect that to happen. What a great bike, very impressive. Too bad it was only about a 5-mile demo ride. I was impressed with the instant throttle response, roll on the throttle and it surges forward, roll off the throttle and the motor braking is amazing, didn't need to use the front and rear brakes much at all. Very easy to ride smoothly, well balanced and felt light. Very well run event, the H-D marketing group knows how to presort their products.
Note my Reddy KiloWatt cap.
http://harleydavidson.phototouchinc.com/main/index/3403a4r2a494647494r2v2

travelingbyguzzi · « **Reply #55 on:** October 04, 2014, 08:55:54 AM »

Yeahoo, you make it look tiny.

pressureangle · « **Reply #56 on:** January 27, 2015, 09:59:50 AM »

Just found this thread through Analytics of my YouTube video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umvg2Qj4ooA

I spent hours and hours with the engineers at this event. I have extensive experience with electric powered vehicles through the material handling industry, and tried to pry as much out of the engineers as possible. A few points.

First, NOTHING about this motorcycle is fixed. They are not even prototypes, they were designed entirely to suit a single purpose; that purpose is to present their possibility to as many people as possible, with as few negative traits as possible. Their shape, their weight, their power, their ergonomics are all dictated exclusively to accommodate every conceivable rider from 5'0" to 6'8" and at every level of experience. So any disparaging of the design is unwarranted.

Second, the power package was designed for a single purpose as well-that purpose is to present it to as many people as possible, give controllable spirited performance but knowing full well that these bikes would NEVER see more than 20 miles at a time on these test rides.

That said. Batteries, the sticking point. The installed packs on these bikes have a range of about 50 miles, they said. However, that is 50 miles under test conditions; everybody whacking the throttle at every opportunity and set in the 'power' mode. Estimated commuter conditions about 70 miles. Under 'mileage' settings probably 90. Without any restructuring of the current bike, they could safely stuff another 30% battery capacity in it, giving it as much or more range than a Sportster has with the standard tank. Of course, a recharge takes longer than a fill-up, but who actually rides a Sportster more than a full tank in a day?
New battery technology is in the wings, as soon as the labs can stop them from exploding, Oxygen batteries will contain 3 times the energy with 1/2 the weight. It's only a matter of time.

Power, now we're having fun. The motor in this thing is not merely 3 phase, like the one on your bridgeport. They are SEM motors; the field coils and armatures are computer-controlled (Separately Excited Motor) which allows for 100% torque alignment at all motor speeds (as seen, 8000rpm limit with max. allowable 15,000) Shaft torque is 60 lbs/ft. *60 LBS/FT!! With the enormous reduction necessary to the rear wheel, and full torque available from 0 rpms, this thing has no trouble at all peeling the rear tire-in my video there are two times you can hear that if you listen carefully. On these test bikes the controller is programmed with an acceleration curve, which only allows the engine to spin up at a given rate; not exactly traction control but it keeps the tire from going up in smoke. In the upcoming Marvel picture "Avengers-Age of Ultron" the Black Widow rides a Livewire with all the governors removed and it's obscene. http://marvel.com/videos/watch/4903/marvels_avengers_age_of_ultron_-_trailer_2_teaser

Ultimately, my impression overall was very, very good-I'd buy this bike tomorrow, as ridden, and I'd pay $8000 for it with an expected battery life of 4 years. And I'd ride the shit out of it, and I'd hack the controller so I could Hooligan ride it for 30 miles and be damn happy with it. But of course it's not intended to be a targeted fit to any one person.

Anybody with questions about it feel free to ask, I'd have to write a book to put it all here.

LowRyter · « **Reply #57 on:** January 27, 2015, 10:09:07 AM »

I saw the Harley at the Dallas show. Small little bike with about a 30 mile range. Harley had a wheel dyno set up and allowing for folks to test the bike. It made real whiiiiinnnne sound, like George Jetson or something.

charlie b · « **Reply #58 on:** January 27, 2015, 11:06:52 AM »

Sorry, but I want an electric bike. I suspect I won't be able to afford it for a while though.

H-D should get kudos for even presenting this thing. After all, which mfg has courted their entire customer base just by having a 'lumpy' motor. :) Talk about polar opposites.

Two Checks · « **Reply #59 on:** January 27, 2015, 11:23:35 AM »

Could you imagine te 1%ers coming into town on these? Talk about stealth!

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Author Topic: Project Live Wire - Electric Harley Davidson merged threadfest (Read 41775 times)

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