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Title: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on March 18, 2021, 07:52:15 AM
A spent a day riding a Harley Davidson Pan America at a motor company sponsored comparison event. If you thought it was bad, your wrong. If you thought it would be OK, your wrong. If you thought it would be great, your almost there.  It is light, comfortable and feels instantly familiar. The ride modes are distinct and easy to use. Sport mode turns it into a rocketship. Huge power. It claims 534 lbs full of fuel. But that cant be true as it feels at leadt 100 pounds lighter. The semi active ride hieght option will lower the bike 2 inches when it comes to a stop. It does that so seamlessly you cant feel it happening. This feature, like everything else on yhr bike is adjustable a thousand diffetent ways. 20 out of 10. Not does it only meadure up to thr competition, it is plainly better. It will be the new benchmark. It is that good.

I know. I cant belive it either


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Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on March 18, 2021, 07:55:25 AM
No one was pleased when I showed up on my ratty GS


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Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dirk_S on March 18, 2021, 08:00:39 AM
No one was pleased when I showed up on my ratty GS.

If they were looking at it the right way, they should be ecstatic to see a BMW rider checking out their new bike.

Youíre the first Iíve read of whoís test-ridden the bike. Good to see it was a positive experience!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Perazzimx14 on March 18, 2021, 08:21:06 AM
I got to see the PA in person the other day and overall I think Harley did an excellent job especially for the 1st try. Even the butt ugly headlight isn't so bad in person. Then rest of the bike look great with a few oddities like the huge radiator and regulator that will get blasted with front wheel wash. Also the grips look more like X-box controllers with what I can only assume is to operate all the electronic wizardry.

Overall the bike was way nicer than expected. It seems as thought Harley took this pretty seriously and made the bike everyone thought they wouldn't/couldn't. I have never been a Harley fanboy but this is a bit of a game changer.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: JJ on March 18, 2021, 08:34:36 AM
Interesting perspective and opinion... :wink: :thumb:

I am sure I romps right down the road,, but it just looks a little...."heavy", good looking bike overall, however. 

MSRP starting at $19,999 :wink: :cool: :smiley:


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Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: 45thparallelguzzi on March 18, 2021, 08:53:58 AM
I don't doubt that the Pan America will be a great bike but I'll admit I'm a bit dubious on H-D's commitment to the platform after they abandoned the Bronx.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on March 18, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
I dont find the cosmetics appealing at all... but compared to the weird looking 'adventure' shite KTM and BMW sell like hotcakes, I dont think that will be the issue.  Glad to hear it's a nice ride tho. I cant see myself being interested, that would mean I'd have to go to a Harley Dealership and interact with their sales team at least once lol
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dave Swanson on March 18, 2021, 09:09:09 AM
I don't doubt that the Pan America will be a great bike but I'll admit I'm a bit dubious on H-D's commitment to the platform after they abandoned the Bronx.

HD has a lot more pinned on the success of this bike vs. the Bronx.  I think they are very committed to it. 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Kev m on March 18, 2021, 09:15:11 AM
A spent a day riding a Harley Davidson Pan America at a motor company sponsored comparison event. If you thought it was bad, your wrong. If you thought it would be OK, your wrong. If you thought it would be great, your almost there.  It is light, comfortable and feels instantly familiar. The ride modes are distinct and easy to use. Sport mode turns it into a rocketship. Huge power. It claims 534 lbs full of fuel. But that cant be true as it feels at leadt 100 pounds lighter. The semi active ride hieght option will lower the bike 2 inches when it comes to a stop. It does that so seamlessly you cant feel it happening. This feature, like everything else on yhr bike is adjustable a thousand diffetent ways. 20 out of 10. Not does it only meadure up to thr competition, it is plainly better. It will be the new benchmark. It is that good.

I know. I cant belive it either


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Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Kev m on March 18, 2021, 09:18:50 AM
If they were looking at it the right way, they should be ecstatic to see a BMW rider checking out their new bike.

Youíre the first Iíve read of whoís test-ridden the bike. Good to see it was a positive experience!

I've never had anything but a warm welcome on any of my Guzzis at any Harley dealer or EVEN the Harley Factory in York.

Last time I had one of the demo guys asking me all sorts of questions and complementing the V7.



I don't doubt that the Pan America will be a great bike but I'll admit I'm a bit dubious on H-D's commitment to the platform after they abandoned the Bronx.

Why does everyone keep saying that. The press did a lousy job. Harley has NOT said it is cancelled, they simply said it was put on hold. Presumably to see how well this does and/or to take it a slightly different direction.

But keep in mind they just re-trademarked "Nightster" in Europe and there's a lot of thought that something like the Bronx is going to become the next Sportster with that name.

Stay tuned, and open-minded.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: 45thparallelguzzi on March 18, 2021, 09:22:50 AM
I'll freely admit that I have some preconceived notions about H-D as a brand as well. My favorite one was a very unpleasant time trying to get a salesman to give me the time of day when I was looking at buying a brand new iron 1200. My dealership experience with them hasn't been great to this point but the European and Japanese dealers have been much better overall.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: tommy2cyl on March 18, 2021, 09:23:45 AM
I agree Dirk.  Anytime somebody rides into a HD dealership on a BMW GS, Triumph Tiger Explorer,  Yamaha Super Tenere, KTM 1290 or Africa Twin the staff should leap to their feet and show them what they now have to offer.  I have always had less than zero interest in what HD had to offer, just not my niche.  But now, I would like to see an American Company compete in this segment.  I truly wish them well with this and hope a 700 to 800 cc offering is in their future as well.  Wonder how long before Indian jumps in?  They have the motor, just need the bike.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Kev m on March 18, 2021, 09:27:00 AM
I'll freely admit that I have some preconceived notions about H-D as a brand as well. My favorite one was a very unpleasant time trying to get a salesman to give me the time of day when I was looking at buying a brand new iron 1200. My dealership experience with them hasn't been great to this point but the European and Japanese dealers have been much better overall.

I've had good and bad experiences with dealers of all types and brands.

I've had Harley dealers who gave me lifetime free state inspections for ALL my rides (Harley or not) and have seen the techs fight over who gets to test ride the Guzzi. I've seen dealers come out and ask me about my Guzzi, or Ducati. I've also seen some who won't look at you or give you the time of day when you're ready to spend.

We just bought a Land Rover last year - fu!@%#%^ng worst dealer experience ever. If they'd had taken a piss on the vehicle before handing it over I wouldn't have been surprised. Went to a Lexus dealer just shopping before that, they took our kids to a playroom and BAKED THEM FRESH COOKIES while we test drove a couple of vehicles.

You just never know.

But the lion's share of my experiences with most brands have been positive. Maybe it's my cheery disposition (I always start out that way at least lol).
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 18, 2021, 09:36:20 AM
 Another motorbike that requires the rider to stand on the pegs to ride  :rolleyes:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dirk_S on March 18, 2021, 09:41:37 AM
Another motorbike that requires the rider to stand on the pegs to ride  :rolleyes:

Funny you say that, because while watching the marketing video, I noticed that it appears the tank isnít in a prime location to grip with the knees when standing. Curious to see real-world thoughts on that.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Bulldog9 on March 18, 2021, 09:49:27 AM
Like most ADV bikes, I can't get past the looks, but this is great news. I hope Harley does well with them.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: blackcat on March 18, 2021, 09:55:49 AM
I'm glad that HD has developed this bike, they are at least putting out a new bike in an attempt to siphon off sales from the BMW GS.  That is more that I can say about Guzzi who just put out a fuzzy photo of some kind of bike that is probably powered by a lump they developed in the 80's. 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: 45thparallelguzzi on March 18, 2021, 09:59:32 AM
I've had good and bad experiences with dealers of all types and brands.

I've had Harley dealers who gave me lifetime free state inspections for ALL my rides (Harley or not) and have seen the techs fight over who gets to test ride the Guzzi. I've seen dealers come out and ask me about my Guzzi, or Ducati. I've also seen some who won't look at you or give you the time of day when you're ready to spend.

We just bought a Land Rover last year - fu!@%#%^ng worst dealer experience ever. If they'd had taken a piss on the vehicle before handing it over I wouldn't have been surprised. Went to a Lexus dealer just shopping before that, they took our kids to a playroom and BAKED THEM FRESH COOKIES while we test drove a couple of vehicles.

You just never know.

But the lion's share of my experiences with most brands have been positive. Maybe it's my cheery disposition (I always start out that way at least lol).

Cheery disposition eh? I'll have to give that one a go! I do hope that this bike does well for H-D though, I'd love for them to get some money from it to prove that people are willing to buy their bikes if they are willing to make more than just their heritage bikes. (Looking at you too, Guzzi. I want that liquid cooled engine!)
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 18, 2021, 10:04:37 AM
I'm sure she has a great personality........
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 18, 2021, 10:06:58 AM
Funny you say that, because while watching the marketing video, I noticed that it appears the tank isnít in a prime location to grip with the knees when standing. Curious to see real-world thoughts on that.

 I've watched riders of large dual sport bikes stand up while riding one of the paved roads in the park where we have the Wild Guzzi rally . No , not a Guzzi rider  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Bulldog9 on March 18, 2021, 10:34:41 AM
I'm glad that HD has developed this bike, they are at least putting out a new bike in an attempt to siphon off sales from the BMW GS.  That is more that I can say about Guzzi who just put out a fuzzy photo of some kind of bike that is probably powered by a lump they developed in the 80's.

Will be interesting to see if the current HD crowd embraces this. I know that 50% of the FJR owners I knew and rode with went to the S10 when it came out. Not apples to apples, but the ADV segment is very popular, and people like to stick with brands they trust. Most of my buddies who went to the Tenere haven't taken their bikes off road, but they love them, and weren't interested in the BMW.

I look forward to riding one of these new Harleys. Price is prohibitive to ever own one new, and the Cylon Storm Trooper look leaves me cold, but IMO the more the merrier.  I can't wait to see one of these in all Chrome with a pulsing red LED strip above the headlight......
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dirk_S on March 18, 2021, 10:40:47 AM
I've watched riders of large dual sport bikes stand up while riding one of the paved roads in the park where we have the Wild Guzzi rally . No , not a Guzzi rider  :laugh:

 Dusty

Itís fun to play on bikes. I stand sometimes when riding. Not showing off, just playing and testing out nuances in positioning. The moves practiced on the road can help with the moves we make on the dirt (not discounting the change in terrain and the positional adjustments that go along with it, of course). Hopefully the bloke who was doing so at the rally was just playing and not peacocking.

Play on playa.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on March 18, 2021, 10:59:12 AM
I too wondered about the fact that while this bikecwas being delivered, the market leaned more to middlewieghts. I dont think it will matter. I have ridden all the current ADV bikes ant the Pan America feels as feathery as a Tiger 800. In my own humble opinion, this thing is better than any other ADV bike. It is that good.

As to the Bronx......  HD was in a bit of a pickle during Bronx/Pan Am development. Thier solution was to pull back and make fewer models (and fewer of all models) they dont know what to do with the sportster as it is seriously antiquated and diesnt meet euro5 standards. This us why the Bronx was put aside for now.

Also I should have clarified, it wasnt the fact that I was on a BMW, it was the state of the poor thing, and its urban assault vehicle appearance.

With no fear of overstating, this new bike is a mavel. One of the best bikes I have ever ridden, and I have ridden litterally thousands.

Now to figure out how to afford it. (I aint selling any of my bikes!!)
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Shorty on March 18, 2021, 11:00:59 AM
Like Kev said, look for further uses of the new mill.   (https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/D3zSBdUbVu5f6YUje_nONA_SK7I=/796x597/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bonnier/LXMYGQGMDRHXVK3ZKJWL6QUWRY.jpg)   https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/harley-davidson-to-revive-nightster/
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Ncdan on March 18, 2021, 11:04:50 AM
I stand on the pegs rarely but occasionally while at slow speeds, like going through a town while on a long ride. The only reasons for this riding position is to either cool and relieve my butt, stretch my legs, or pull my britches legs back down. I could care less if it impresses or offends anyone else as long as it fixís my issues at the time.
As far as the PA HD Iíll definitely take a serious look at them in June when my local dealer says theyíll be out.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on March 18, 2021, 11:20:54 AM
https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/inside-harley-davidsons-new-dohc-revolution-max-1250-v-twin/
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: 45thparallelguzzi on March 18, 2021, 11:21:27 AM
Like Kev said, look for further uses of the new mill.   (https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/D3zSBdUbVu5f6YUje_nONA_SK7I=/796x597/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bonnier/LXMYGQGMDRHXVK3ZKJWL6QUWRY.jpg)   https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/harley-davidson-to-revive-nightster/

I still can't believe that H-D would put brakes that anemic looking on a bike with the stomp that that engine can put out.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: inditx on March 18, 2021, 11:32:38 AM
Well I had a Buell that would rattle your teeth out. Hope thatís not the experience with the PanAm.
I guess I'm getting too old in that I donít like all the electronic wizardry.

And with HD, itís like children, itís not the initial cost, itís the upkeep.
Too rich for my blood.
But good on them for taking a leap.

Now remove the atrocious dual headlight monstrosity please!
My .02
inditx
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Kev m on March 18, 2021, 11:35:12 AM
And with HD, itís like children, itís not the initial cost, itís the upkeep.
Too rich for my blood.
But good on them for taking a leap.

WTF?!?

The upkeep?

You mean changing oil, filters, and tires?

Cause that's all most of my Harleys have ever needed.

Most of my Guzzis have been MUCH NEEDIER!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Ncdan on March 18, 2021, 11:39:56 AM
WTF?!?

The upkeep?

You mean changing oil, filters, and tires?

Cause that's all most of my Harleys have ever needed.

Most of my Guzzis have been MUCH NEEDIER!
Absolutely correct 👍
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 18, 2021, 11:49:03 AM
WTF?!?

The upkeep?

You mean changing oil, filters, and tires?

Cause that's all most of my Harleys have ever needed.

Most of my Guzzis have been MUCH NEEDIER!

 It's all of the doo rags and T shirts  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: jguzzi on March 18, 2021, 11:59:36 AM
Agree with Kev and NCdan.  I bought a used 1200T a few years back mainly because I thought I should have one harley before I age out of riding....so glad I did.  For me the low seat height, bags, mid controls/pegs and the very nice (no vibrating) rubber mounted evo engine has been great.  And I like the tshirts too!  Along with my Guzzi ones of course.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 18, 2021, 12:16:35 PM
A HD salesman who ignores a rider coming in on a brand X bike is missing a good chance of selling a bike. Why would that rider be there, certainly not to buy something for his brand X or T shirts. When I took my V7 in for it's initial service I was given a Zero as a loaner for the day. I was shopping helmets that day and stopped by the Harley dealer. When they saw the Zero they started twisting my arm to take the Livewire out for a spin. I didn't, but I probably should have.

I wish Harley success with the PA. Kinds pricey but we knew that. They need to change course to some degree. I dumped my Twin Cam for the Audace. There were just too many shortcomings to continue to live with it. Things Guzzi does a much better job with. I wish we had the dealer support that Harley riders enjoy. I have a MG dealer fairly close but they are passable but a not so much of a pleasure to visit and just hangout like at a HD store.
kk
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on March 18, 2021, 12:19:44 PM
Oh no.  First I have the audacity to willfully purchase a matt paint motorcycle (V7) and now I have to admit I stand on my pegs regularly on my motorcycles.   It does help my repaired knees and provides some welcomed fresh air but I was unaware it may be considered bad form.

I must be punished. 


Nice ride report.  I've enjoyed all 4 on my Harley bikes-prefer my Guzzis now but the memories are great.  Never left me by the road in over 200,000 miles.  I hope they do really well.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Perazzimx14 on March 18, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
I've watched riders of large dual sport bikes stand up while riding one of the paved roads in the park where we have the Wild Guzzi rally . No , not a Guzzi rider  :laugh:

 Dusty

Being able to comfortably stand on the pegs is just as important as a comfortable seat to me on my touring rigs. When I'm putting in big miles/long hours another position to change up to for a few miles is very welcome.




Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kballowe on March 18, 2021, 12:32:07 PM
UGLY, they say.

Meh.  I have UGLY for you !
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Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 18, 2021, 12:36:20 PM
Being able to comfortably stand on the pegs is just as important as a comfortable seat to me on my touring rigs. When I'm putting in big miles/long hours another position to change up to for a few miles is very welcome.

 Fellas , it was meant as humor , remember humor . That said , if you stand up on your motorbike as soon as you let out the clutch in a city park , on smooth pavement , then I find it amusing . Kinda like the guys who ride around at 5 MPH with their legs dangling over forward mounted footpegs located so far forward their legs are straight out at a weird angle .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dirk_S on March 18, 2021, 12:54:46 PM
Fellas , it was meant as humor , remember humor . That said , if you stand up on your motorbike as soon as you let out the clutch in a city park , on smooth pavement , then I find it amusing . Kinda like the guys who ride around at 5 MPH with their legs dangling over forward mounted footpegs located so far forward their legs are straight out at a weird angle.

Behind many jokes is an amount of truth. Besides, itís the internet; everything gets (sometimes unnecessarily) dissected. Like this:

Standing up at super slow speed is actually a very good exercise in balance. I recommend everyone start out like that  :grin:

Remember these machines serve as both tool and toy. Depending on the rider, the emphasis lies toward one end or the other.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 18, 2021, 01:00:10 PM
Behind many jokes is an amount of truth. Besides, itís the internet; everything gets (sometimes unnecessarily) dissected. Like this:

Standing up at super slow speed is actually a very good exercise in balance. I recommend everyone start out like that  :grin:

Remember these machines serve as both tool and toy. Depending on the rider, the emphasis lies toward one end or the other.

 So is standing your head  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Motormike on March 18, 2021, 01:06:49 PM
First review of the new Pan America I've read, and it was on Wildguzzi!?? :shocked: To borrow from the English, "I'm gobsmacked!"
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 18, 2021, 01:30:35 PM
WTF?!?

The upkeep?

You mean changing oil, filters, and tires?

Cause that's all most of my Harleys have ever needed.

Most of my Guzzis have been MUCH NEEDIER!


Perhaps so.  I see Harley Riders about 5 to 1 over the rest of us.  I always hear stories about big buck fixes, primaries, clutches, even tune-ups (which I don't understand given hydraulic lifters) but it's always something.  The Indian guys seem to be the proudest, love their bikes and no maintenance issues, lots of performance.   

So far as Guzzis, no argument from me.  Cracked GB housing on the Sport, weak oil pump in the EV. 

Given this, if you like the bike, the cost of ownership is just one consideration.  Even if I get a $400 bill for replacing an oil pump, remember, I spent $300 just for tires!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on March 18, 2021, 01:41:34 PM
i WAS joking............. .....
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: blackcat on March 18, 2021, 01:52:37 PM
WTF?!?

The upkeep?

You mean changing oil, filters, and tires?

Cause that's all most of my Harleys have ever needed.

Most of my Guzzis have been MUCH NEEDIER!

Yeah, oil, filter, tires is about it on the HD's I've owned. And I'm within walking distance or a subway ride to the local dealer.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: inditx on March 18, 2021, 01:53:02 PM
WTF?!?

The upkeep?

You mean changing oil, filters, and tires?

Cause that's all most of my Harleys have ever needed.

Most of my Guzzis have been MUCH NEEDIER!

KevM what I meant was, accessories, parts, labor if you donít do your own, insurance costs...etc.
No need to get mad.
inditx
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: inditx on March 18, 2021, 01:54:11 PM
It's all of the doo rags and T shirts  :laugh:

 Dusty
:thumb:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Kev m on March 18, 2021, 02:02:34 PM
KevM what I meant was, accessories, parts, labor if you donít do your own, insurance costs...etc.
No need to get mad.
inditx

Not mad, just confused. But LABOR is the only thing I might believe here.

Because the accessories aren't any more than any other brand I've had. Hell, a lot is cheaper (since there's so much more competition).

Parts - nope, not more expensive. Again, compeition.

LABOR - well, I generally don't pay for that on any brand so I'll have to take your word, but I can't imagine Guzzi or BMW shops are generally cheaper..

INSURANCE?!?! - well I guess that varies, but the only reason my RK is more expensive to insure than my Stone or our Ducati RIGHT NOW is that it cost 2x as much as it is much newer. But, and how's this, our V7III is JUST as expensive to insure as the RK (even though it was half the cost) likely because it is newer.  But hell, full boat with accessory coverage etc all FOUR are only about $500/year total (as in just over 100/bike). So I don't get this one either.


Perhaps so.  I see Harley Riders about 5 to 1 over the rest of us.  I always hear stories about big buck fixes, primaries, clutches, even tune-ups (which I don't understand given hydraulic lifters) but it's always something.

Well,

1. "Hearsay"

2. The biggest problem with any Harley is its owner. I'm SURE there are huge bills to fix shit that people brake because they hop-up the damn things, sometimes within an inch of their lives, and then do stupid things with them from smokey burnouts to warming them up for 15 minutes. Like I said the biggest problem is the owner.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: inditx on March 18, 2021, 02:07:31 PM
Canít disagree with most of what youíve said but more of my buddies ride Harleys and so Iím watching them shell out more than I would but Iím kinda tight anyway, GC.

I always say ride what ya like and like what ye ride.

p.s. My buddies donít abuse their bikes and they are all garage queens.  :smiley:
inditx
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Motormike on March 18, 2021, 02:08:30 PM
2. The biggest problem with any Harley is its owner. I'm SURE there are huge bills to fix shit that people brake because they hop-up the damn things, sometimes within an inch of their lives, and then do stupid things with them from smokey burnouts to warming them up for 15 minutes. Like I said the biggest problem is the owner.

This!! Too many owners spend a fortune turning a dead-nuts reliable 60 to 70 hp Harley into a 100 hp hand-grenade. Completely pointless IMHO.  The only thing you can race a Harley against is another Harley.  After pissing away a lot of money I learned an important lesson from an old motorcycle racer, "Stock Is Trick!"
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Motormike on March 18, 2021, 02:11:27 PM
Canít disagree with most of what youíve said but more of my buddies ride Harleys and so Iím watching them shell out more than I would but Iím kinda tight anyway, GC.

p.s. My buddies donít abuse their bikes and they are all garage queens.  :smiley:
inditx

"Chrome don't getcha home...."
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: bad Chad on March 18, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
I know everybody has their own experience with life, but I have had 4 moto Guzzi, all have been trouble free.  The one time I had trouble with my Bassa, was because of something I did, which later led to needing shop time to fix my screw up.  I currently have my B1100 with 49K, and everything works as it always has, and of course my much loved Roamer, only 5k, but a sweet 5k!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kballowe on March 18, 2021, 04:38:10 PM
All of my Harleys have been absolutely trouble free.

My Guzzis ?   hahahhaaa   no.


AND - I stand on the pegs at slow speed..... normally after I get rolling just enough to balance, and then to shake everything down.  Nothing worse than having the boys in a twist.  Well, Assuming I'm on one that HAS pegs.  Otherwise ya gotta wiggle and squirm until ya get situated.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: egschade on March 18, 2021, 05:11:20 PM
I suspect that HD riders having issues may be like my former neighbor who was always complaining about the bike not running well. I think his issues arose from the bike sitting in his shed for weeks on end they being brought out for some bar hopping or puttering around town. He spent a lot of money a couple times a year having his bike 'fixed' at the dealer.

One day I offered to check it out for him. Pre-check the tires were both very low and the thing barely idled. I aired them up, replaced the bad gas and went for a blast on the highway. After about 20 minutes of running it hard it cleared up and ran pretty well. He took it for a ride soon after I dropped it off and wanted to know what I had done to make it run so well.

Dis-use might be the worst form of abuse.

Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on March 18, 2021, 05:12:23 PM
Bloody good on them for giving the customer what they want..
Theyíve been crawling up the collective arses of wannaí be bad boys since Christ died, appealing to their ďrebelĒ pretences. If that first review is ANYTHING to go by, itís probably worth a second (or third), look.
Iíll bet my pushrods on the fact that HD will have the good sense to take heed of riders requests if this model run progresses. If there is a backlash to the styling, it will be progressively honed.
If Guzzi followed that lead, weíd have our liquid cooled Le Mans and the RBW abberation that plagues modern variants would be consigned to the rotten pasta bin...
Good on you Harley and piss those stupid cruiser things off. They look like something that was built on scrapyard challenge...
Iíve just had a look at a couple of the reviews.
I just sort of wish that the likes of this thing, could be offered with a lot less bells and whistles. A recurring sentiment I hear a lot, is riders wishing their bike had less technological intervention. Itís all good while itís working, but just a pain in the arse a lot of the time and adds to the price.
Iíve nothing against development in brakes, fuelling, handling etc..
But variable ride modes and ďwheelie controlĒ on an off road bike with massive power and torque....FFS...!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: ohiorider on March 18, 2021, 05:40:47 PM
I hope HD does some sales training so their sales guys don't treat this bike the same as they did the V Rod and the Buells.  Or not!  At my age, I certainly have no interest in hearing either a good or bad sales pitch for HD's ADV effort.  I think BMW has had a lock on this segment since 1981, and will continue to do so.  2021 is the 40th anniversary of the GS series.

Bob

Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 18, 2021, 05:44:07 PM
I have never been ignored at a dealership, unless I want to be.

I come in ready to talk about bikes.  I come in with a smile on my face and a hello for anyone not stuck on a phone or helping a customer.

I tell them if I am ready to buy, or if I am just there to see what's new.

I get more positive responses when I post photos of my Moto Guzzi on the Road Glide forum than when I post the same photos on this forum.

So, to the naysayers about how they are treated in dealerships, maybe it is you.   :undecided:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 18, 2021, 05:44:13 PM
I hope HD does some sales training so their sales guys don't treat this bike the same as they did the V Rod and the Buells.  Or not!  At my age, I certainly have no interest in hearing either a good or bad sales pitch for HD's ADV effort.  I think BMW has had a lock on this segment since 1981, and will continue to do so.  2021 is the 40th anniversary of the GS series.

Bob

I would guess with the downswing of Harley sales that there'll be lots of motivation to welcome new customers.  Just a guess.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 18, 2021, 05:50:47 PM
I have never been ignored at a dealership, unless I want to be.

I come in ready to talk about bikes.  I come in with a smile on my face and a hello for anyone not stuck on a phone or helping a customer.

I tell them if I am ready to buy, or if I am just there to see what's new.

I get more positive responses when I post photos of my Moto Guzzi on the Road Glide forum than when I post the same photos on this forum.

So, to the naysayers about how they are treated in dealerships, maybe it is you.   :undecided:


well,   when the Buell Rotax bikes were being released, I went to the local Harley store.  I walked in and looked around and asked the sales lady when they might have the new bikes delivered.  She replied that "Buells are for people that like to ride 100 mph and have their ass in air."  I said "yeah."

Now, they did have some warranty work on those pipe frame Buells that they couldn't fix.  But they still had a Buell sign in front.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 18, 2021, 05:57:45 PM

well,   when the Buell Rotax bikes were being released, I went to the local Harley store.  I walked in and looked around and asked the sales lady when they might have the new bikes delivered.  She replied that "Buells are for people that like to ride 100 mph and have their ass in air."  I said "yeah."

Now, they did have some warranty work on those pipe frame Buells that they couldn't fix.  But they still had a Buell sign in front.

Your point?

You've never walked into any other type of dealership in your life and been blown off by a salesperson?  Ever? 

Did you ask where the owner was?  If a salesperson doesn't want to do their job, I ask for the owner or general manager. That is where you get the true feel for the business.  Not some person that might not even ride.  Sounds like you weren't really that interested. 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: arveno on March 18, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
Hater will be hater....


to the OP , Thank you for the review , i am going to test ride one myself soon...not that i am going to buy it ( i am a COB ) LOL
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on March 18, 2021, 06:19:02 PM
Hater will be hater....


to the OP , Thank you for the review , i am going to test ride one myself soon...not that i am going to buy it ( i am a COB ) LOL
Well said.
I like the look of that 997 cc (or whatever), motor.
The styling is a bit Kawasaki Versys, but noting a ďfaceliftĒ wouldnít fix.. :wink:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Darren Williams on March 18, 2021, 06:28:02 PM
I stand up occasionally on all my bikes. Usually to stretch my legs and back after a bunch of miles and also to rest my backside. I actually think it is a comfortable position on my GS and dirt bikes.

I just sold my GS to downsize on the adventure bike tool. If I was in the market for another big one (had a 1200GS and a Stelvio) I would definitely look at the PA (other than the Griso, I'm going all Blue). Was happy to read Timmy's ride report and impressions of the bike. Sounds like the bike is as good riding as it is on paper.

After having a GS for 6 years and 50,000+ miles and 4 Guzzi's for over 100,000 miles combined, I understand the "cost of ownership" thing. I don't think a new HD owner has that much to worry about.

Here's to HD for getting this bike right, so far!   :bow:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 18, 2021, 07:00:52 PM
Your point?

You've never walked into any other type of dealership in your life and been blown off by a salesperson?  Ever? 

Did you ask where the owner was?  If a salesperson doesn't want to do their job, I ask for the owner or general manager. That is where you get the true feel for the business.  Not some person that might not even ride.  Sounds like you weren't really that interested.

Wait!

You're point was just the opposite

I have never been ignored at a dealership, unless I want to be.

That's what you said the first time.  Now you say that you've been blown off.  WTF????? ??

Get out.  Not wasting time with you.    :whip2:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 18, 2021, 07:02:24 PM
I stand up occasionally on all my bikes. Usually to stretch my legs and back after a bunch of miles and also to rest my backside. I actually think it is a comfortable position on my GS and dirt bikes.

I just sold my GS to downsize on the adventure bike tool. If I was in the market for another big one (had a 1200GS and a Stelvio) I would definitely look at the PA (other than the Griso, I'm going all Blue). Was happy to read Timmy's ride report and impressions of the bike. Sounds like the bike is as good riding as it is on paper.

After having a GS for 6 years and 50,000+ miles and 4 Guzzi's for over 100,000 miles combined, I understand the "cost of ownership" thing. I don't think a new HD owner has that much to worry about.

Here's to HD for getting this bike right, so far!   :bow:

c'mon,  790 Tenere or 790 KTM or Honda Africa Corps? 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Solorider73 on March 18, 2021, 07:40:08 PM
I'm not surprised that it handles well and hides its weight.  Manufacturers are getting better at lowering weight and hiding the weight of modern bikes.  Harley has sufficient cash flow and resources to make any kind of bike they want, so it's not surprising that they were able pull it off.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Guzzistajohn on March 18, 2021, 07:42:54 PM
I stand on the pegs rarely but occasionally while at slow speeds, like going through a town while on a long ride. The only reasons for this riding position is to either cool and relieve my butt, stretch my legs, or pull my britches legs back down. I could care less if it impresses or offends anyone else as long as it fixís my issues at the time.
As far as the PA HD Iíll definitely take a serious look at them in June when my local dealer says theyíll be out.

Zackly! I stand on the Tiger quite a bit. Soreness begins when blood flow is restricted, standing relieves that. I'm way beyond trying to impress anyone. And I've done plenty of riding on the pegs on trials bikes. It's pretty natural feeling to me.

Glad to see a good report on the Harley, I like dual sport bikes. Functionality makes more sense than looks on these machines.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Bulldog9 on March 18, 2021, 08:19:16 PM

Here is a good article.  Of course because I am an addict, I have the low boil interest in my blood, 'but then I see her face (and pricetag)'  :cool:

https://www.cycleworld.com/breaking-down-harley-davidson-pan-america-frame-by-frame/
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 18, 2021, 08:30:29 PM
Wait!

You're point was just the opposite

I have never been ignored at a dealership, unless I want to be.

That's what you said the first time.  Now you say that you've been blown off.  WTF????? ??

Get out.  Not wasting time with you.    :whip2:

So my phone turned I'd into I, but play your games.   :violent1:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dirk_S on March 18, 2021, 08:37:46 PM
Jeez. Harley brings out the worst in everyone  :evil:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: bad Chad on March 18, 2021, 08:41:37 PM
The point is, donít ride a Harley, no matter how ugly it is.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Solorider73 on March 18, 2021, 08:43:51 PM
  I just can't make some of you happy , first you complain I'm to serious , then you complain when I attempt to be funny .

 Dusty

It's the internet.  Everyone turns into your bipolar cousin.

Also, I keep having to relearn that sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

Keeping it on topic, I hope the Pan America becomes one of HD's best sellers.  It would give them more freedom to step out of the cruiser box.  A company like HD can do both.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Scout63 on March 18, 2021, 08:46:46 PM
Only a Harley thread can go three pages in a day.  Iím not a huge fan, nor am I a fan of pure sports bikes or big touring rigs.  I do like watching what HD is doing, and they and Royal Enfield seem to be really working at getting interesting bikes out there.  Good for them.  As for standing on the pegs, I thought everyone did it.  Iím guessing those of who learned in the dirt are more likely. Itís pretty handy when the road gets wonky.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: greer on March 19, 2021, 05:09:22 AM
You know, I find the look of the PanAm to be almost refreshing compared to all the bird beak bikes.

Sarah
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: egschade on March 19, 2021, 05:42:41 AM
Back to the point of the original post, that the bike is FAR BETTER than expected is a revelation. It's possible that HD has finally had a real paradigm shift and is now building real performance motorcycles on their own? I'm looking forward to seeing some additional road tests and one at my local dealer.

Looks like the Pan America is just the first step in a long overdue diversification of their lineup. At $20K it had better be.  They'll need some additional models at lower price points if they really expect to lure more riders to the brand to address their aging demographic problem. Wishing HD all the best with their attempt to remain competitive and a viable US based manufacturer.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 19, 2021, 07:57:52 AM
Quote
and I have ridden litterally thousands.

Hmmm, that sounds like a stretch. I've ridden a *lot* of bikes over the last 60 some years, but I seriously doubt I'd crack 100.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Rough Edge racing on March 19, 2021, 08:11:19 AM
Hmmm, that sounds like a stretch. I've ridden a *lot* of bikes over the last 60 some years, but I seriously doubt I'd crack 100.
  I ridden maybe a few dozen, none newer than 2006 and  one Japanese road bike, yet I could comment on junk new Harleys .... :grin:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: BrotherJim on March 19, 2021, 09:03:45 AM
I don't know... can I stick a batwing on there?   :grin:  Seriously, though, I am ready to ride one of these!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on March 19, 2021, 09:04:06 AM
Hmmm, that sounds like a stretch. I've ridden a *lot* of bikes over the last 60 some years, but I seriously doubt I'd crack 100.
There is a bike repair shop in the family.
I am a retired police motor sergeant.
I test ride motorcycles for a living now.

Thousands.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Motormike on March 19, 2021, 09:15:08 AM
I'm not as concerned about the bike as I am their new CEO.  He's indicated (with his so-called "rewire" plan) he wants to double-down on Harleys core constituents, and sell big expensive bikes with high margins.  The first thing he did as CEO was drop (or at least slow way down..time will tell) the Bronx and other models based around the new engine.  I seriously suspect he would liked to have killed the Pan America, but development was too far along. He's cut lots of other mainstay models from the air-cooled line up as well.  I think his turn-around plan of "sell less-and-less for more-and-more" is absolutely the wrong way to go, but the board of directors didn't ask me.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: egschade on March 19, 2021, 09:24:45 AM
I'm not as concerned about the bike as I am their new CEO. >SNIP<

Primary reason why I sold my HD stock. Doesn't sound like they're looking much beyond the next quarter's profits despite rolling out a revolutionary (for them) model. Hoping the Pan Am is a HUGE success and it wakes the big wigs up.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dirk_S on March 19, 2021, 09:39:53 AM
I'm not as concerned about the bike as I am their new CEO.  He's indicated (with his so-called "rewire" plan) he wants to double-down on Harleys core constituents, and sell big expensive bikes with high margins.  The first thing he did as CEO was drop (or at least slow way down..time will tell) the Bronx and other models based around the new engine.  I seriously suspect he would liked to have killed the Pan America, but development was too far along. He's cut lots of other mainstay models from the air-cooled line up as well.  I think his turn-around plan of "sell less-and-less for more-and-more" is absolutely the wrong way to go, but the board of directors didn't ask me.

I think I disagree. Iím not a business expert, so the numbers game and where dollars are allocated is ultimately beyond me, so consider this only as an abstract understanding...

From what I read, the CEO wants to focus on high end bikes, rather than economical budget bikes. Theyíre not saying they want to go all cruisers, but rather bikes made of quality. So no more Street 500/750, no more entry level, no more...Sportster? No more sub-$10k bikes. These bikes are American-made, and American-made products arenít known for being cheap, so why bother trying to cut corners? Let the Royal Enfields and Japanese bikes et al compete for the budget bikes. Harleyís in it to save themselves, and theyíre biggest competitor for what they do - American V-twins - is Indian. Polaris/Indian has been gaining due to both styling and performance, as well as a successful track-inspired bike. Harleyís looking to compete with them, because if they focus on budget bikes (and letís be honest - standard/neutral-seating-positioned bikes are the bikes youíll find in that economical category), they wonít gain ground. Focus on quality, less quantity. ADV bikes are still hot. They may be a hair late to the game, but theyíre ahead of Indian. The ADV crowd likes to spend money on products they donít really need... or donít mind paying a higher price for. They put out a quality product in this in regards to parts, electronics, and engineering. This is the first platform for the engine. More will come. Iím willing to bet that Bronx will come into action, but they canít go show all their hand right away.

Iíd LOVE to see Harley go cheaper, but it just doesnít make sense unless they direct manufacturing to a cheaper labor force. And I donít think the U.S. government or HD employees will be all too happy if they do that. They best be smart to think ďwell, if weíre not gonna out out cheap product, we best put out really GOOD product.Ē Nobody asks for a budget-friendly MV Augusta.

Stream-of conscience rant over. Feel free to tear apart.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: bad Chad on March 19, 2021, 09:55:27 AM
I don't get all this gushing over HD?  Maybe the Pan Am is a very good adventure bike, it should be.  Why are so many surprised that it's possible?

Really, the idea that its a huge weight off their shoulders to show they can do something on par with others in the industry is dumb.  HD has huge resources to pull from, they can buy anyone they need to make a good adv bike if needed.

Some of you are getting carried away in a river of Kool Aid, "a Paradigm shift"???

One guy apparently rode one, the guy who "literally has ridden "thousands" of motorcycles" :rolleyes:   Think about that, how long would it take to ride just 2000 motorcycles?   But hey, Timmy said so, so who are we too question? He says it so incredible  it can't possibly weigh well over 500, must only be 400 and some change!   
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: inditx on March 19, 2021, 09:57:21 AM
The point is, donít ride a Harley, no matter how ugly it is.

Now that thereís funny I don't care who you are...  :smiley:
inditx
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on March 19, 2021, 10:17:51 AM

One guy apparently rode one, the guy who "literally has ridden "thousands" of motorcycles" :rolleyes:   Think about that, how long would it take to ride just 2000 motorcycles?   But hey, Timmy said so, so who are we too question? He says it so incredible  it can't possibly weigh well over 500, must only be 400 and some change!   

Well. If i rode 5 bikes a day(i do)......there are 260 work days in a year, so in 2 years that would be 2600 bikes. 

But that is beside the point. The real point is you are so smart, that you uncovered my diabolical plan to come onto an obscure italian bike forum to lie about riding an american bike, then lie about how many bikes I have been on. For good measure, I embellished how good it was. You got me.

The bike wieghs 534 pounds with fuel. I stated that above.

The point some lesser folks are getting is Harley Davidson has made a fantastic, potentially industy leading bike, after decades of good ideas with terrible execution and missing the plot.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: OldMojo on March 19, 2021, 10:19:12 AM
You know, I find the look of the PanAm to be almost refreshing compared to all the bird beak bikes.

Sarah

Agreed.

On the ADV bike homeliness scale, with the fetching V85 being a 1 and the googley-eyed GS being a 10, I'd say the PA rates maybe a 4.

The KTMs are an 11.

Glad to hear the good review. Someone at Harley knew they needed to hit it out of the park in order to have a snowball's chance. No one is gonna cut them any slack on this.

Even so, it'll be an uphill climb, I fear. Will Harley be willing to shepherd this thing into a solid market position? They haven't always demonstrated that kind of patience in the past.

I'd say both prior viewpoints discerning HD Corporate's strategy have merits, but the incentive to just "run home to mama" with the big cruisers must be considerable.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on March 19, 2021, 10:21:26 AM
Boy Harley really gets people riled up!

I'll just be over here standing on my pegs and letting the wind gently rustle my nards
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Seventy One on March 19, 2021, 10:25:46 AM
I suspect the Bronx was held back to prevent it from stealing the spotlight from the PA. If (when) they release it next year after the death of the Sportster, H-D will have remained in the headlines for two years strait.  Most of the advertising they are getting now is free and comes in the form of online reviews, You-Tube videos and forum discussions like this. It would be wise to capitalize on it and spread it out a bit.

Also, announcing the death of Sportster now would make selling current inventory that much more difficult. 

With that being said, I'm not sure I'd call the Tiger 800 "feathery". Triumph said the 800 was 474lbs. H-D has the base PA at 530lbs. The OP's guesstimate that it "feels 100lbs lighter than it is" seem pretty accurate to me when you consider that it has 50% more horsepower than the 800. Enough HP will make almost anything feel feathery.

I've been visiting lots of dealers lately and there is virtually nothing in stock. Kawasaki, Suzuki and Honda are all having supply/production issues. I've been looking at V-Strom 1050's but at this rate the PA may arrive first. My Versys will never be worth more than it is right now. I'm getting very excited about the PA. .

Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kballowe on March 19, 2021, 11:27:28 AM
Boy Harley really gets people riled up!

I'll just be over here standing on my pegs and letting the wind gently rustle my nards



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Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: steven c on March 19, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
Thanks for posting you first hand account of riding the bike. First on I have read. :bike-037:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on March 19, 2021, 11:52:18 AM
I agree with Sarah on the looks.

As for H-D, well, THAT'S quite a conversation, but remember:  they sell over 200,000 bikes a year.  The issue isn't all about sales-it's about a horribly bloated corporate structure that can't make money selling 200,000 bikes a year.  ANY CEO should be aware of that.  That Levitich couldn't show the board how his plan would accomplish that they (the board) booted him and are trying a new plan.  They HAD to.  There is no way the Bronx experience won't show up in some form or fashion in the next few years for The MoCo.  Unknown is what it will be.  Sportster replacement, American sport bike?  For sure the motor work done on a wee bit smaller engine will surface in the near future.  They won't be able to meet EURO regs for that much longer and the twin cooled bikes have been accepted in great amounts by the faithful.  I know dozens of guys who have ridden or purchased the new motors and like them just fine.  More than not they like the motor more than what they have.  Not ALL-ok?  I know your brother-in law's brother -in -law won't be caught DEAD on no stinking water cooled bike-but hey, we know what happened to the dinosaurs!

It'll  be interesting for SURE and will be a classic business school example years out no matter which way it goes.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 19, 2021, 12:04:23 PM
Back to the point of the original post, that the bike is FAR BETTER than expected is a revelation. It's possible that HD has finally had a real paradigm shift and is now building real performance motorcycles on their own? I'm looking forward to seeing some additional road tests and one at my local dealer.

Looks like the Pan America is just the first step in a long overdue diversification of their lineup. At $20K it had better be.  They'll need some additional models at lower price points if they really expect to lure more riders to the brand to address their aging demographic problem. Wishing HD all the best with their attempt to remain competitive and a viable US based manufacturer.

It's pretty ironic that the bike has gotten praise as a great design but they replaced the CEO that was responsible for it and killed some of the resulting follow-on models. 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: coast range rider on March 19, 2021, 12:40:04 PM
A spent a day riding a Harley Davidson Pan America...
Hey Timmy, can you comment on the ergonomic affect of having the front of the seat so far back from the steering stem compared to other adventure bikes? Or is this some type of optical illusion in the pictures? Are long arms required?
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on March 19, 2021, 02:37:14 PM
Hey Timmy, can you comment on the ergonomic affect of having the front of the seat so far back from the steering stem compared to other adventure bikes? Or is this some type of optical illusion in the pictures? Are long arms required?

The bars have more pullback than the pictures show. I am 5'09" with short legs abd I guess  ormal arms and the reach to the bars never was something i noticed. I do remember thinking that i was more upright than on my GS at one point. I dontbthink i took any pictures of the bars. Sorry.
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Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 19, 2021, 03:08:53 PM
 Dunno , Malcolm Smith almost never stood up .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: bad Chad on March 19, 2021, 03:26:03 PM
I guess the answer to heavy bikes is just more get up and go?
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on March 19, 2021, 04:12:15 PM
Iím glad that there are a couple of styling issues (for me..).
Other than that, Iíd be well advised not to ride one....Iíd like to pick one up in the ĎStates on the East Coast, ride across to San Francisco..(over THAT bridge..), up the West Coast into Canada/Alaska, over the top and back to New York..
Now, how could that possibly be a bad idea... :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :clock: :bike-037:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 19, 2021, 04:37:43 PM
Just came from the local Harley store, the same one I mentioned about Buells earlier.  They're getting these bikes in stock in May.  No plans for the Harley truck to get into the entire state for test rides.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 19, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
Just came from the local Harley store, the same one I mentioned about Buells earlier.  They're getting these bikes in stock in May.  No plans for the Harley truck to get into the entire state for test rides.

 The satellite store in Edmond ?

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 19, 2021, 04:48:29 PM
The satellite store in Edmond ?

 Dusty

yeah.  But I asked her about anywhere to ride one in the state.  Nearest truck scheduled for Ark and Tex.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 19, 2021, 04:54:16 PM
yeah.  But I asked her about anywhere to ride one in the state.  Nearest truck scheduled for Ark and Tex.

 I wish Ron still worked for the big dealership , might try to get a ride , probably not gonna stand up while riding it  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on March 19, 2021, 05:09:22 PM
I wish Ron still worked for the big dealership , might try to get a ride , probably not gonna stand up while riding it  :laugh:

 Dusty

I don't think they'll be any demonstrators based on availability.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 19, 2021, 05:24:21 PM
I don't think they'll be any demonstrators based on availability.

 Probably , although when Ron was at the big store I could test anything on the floor , although i never did . The old GM at that store was really pretty cool , he had a Buelly and some kind of older beemer .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Rough Edge racing on March 19, 2021, 05:44:30 PM
So you guys hang out in  the showroon sitting on bikes and talking to sales people? I been in a new bike showroom maybe  6 times in 55 years and bought nothing...
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 19, 2021, 05:53:01 PM
So you guys hang out in  the showroon sitting on bikes and talking to sales people? I been in a new bike showroom maybe  6 times in 55 years and bought nothing...

 Dunno , haven't been in a dealer since 2016 .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: john fish on March 19, 2021, 06:05:18 PM
So you guys hang out in  the showroon sitting on bikes and talking to sales people? I been in a new bike showroom maybe  6 times in 55 years and bought nothing...

Don't bother.  None of the salesmen in my local Harley or Indian dealers ride motorcycles.  The conversation is . . . strained.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: bad Chad on March 19, 2021, 07:07:40 PM
 I would love to make fun of you guys, but I can't.   The late 80s were great times to be into Motorcycles.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: arveno on March 19, 2021, 10:49:28 PM
to those one that are surprised a HD thread goes 4 pages long on a guzzi  forum.
maybe because moto guzzi did not make anything worth discussing ........... let it sink LOL
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Shorty on March 20, 2021, 01:16:00 AM
to those one that are surprised a HD thread goes 4 pages long on a guzzi  forum.
maybe because moto guzzi did not make anything worth discussing ........... let it sink LOL

Whaddyamean?  There's new/old green paint and another tarted up small block.....     :wink:   :grin: 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on March 20, 2021, 02:41:30 AM
I dunno.  Isn't it more like we're sitting around having a discussion?  I mean, could we (you?) hang for days and speak of NOTHING but Guzzi?



https://getpocket.com/explore/item/growing-up-with-steve-miller?utm_source=pocket-newtab    Read this.  Very interesting and completely unrelated to this thread.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Darren Williams on March 20, 2021, 07:01:16 AM
I like motorcycles. I think it's kinda fun and interesting to go to dealerships and look at what is new in the motorcycle world. I don't feel like I want to be stuck in the last century.

And I stand up regularly while riding my bikes, because standing up makes a stock seat feel the same as an expensive custom seat.   :evil:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 20, 2021, 07:16:24 AM
I like motorcycles. I think it's kinda fun and interesting to go to dealerships and look at what is new in the motorcycle world. I don't feel like I want to be stuck in the last century.

And I stand up regularly while riding my bikes, because standing up makes a stock seat feel the same as an expensive custom seat.   :evil:

 Yes , and standing up makes you look cool like those weird man/motorcycle creatures in the insurance ads  :thumb:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kballowe on March 20, 2021, 07:30:53 AM
I remember Pan American, but it was a long time ago.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51055204977_1e2fbdf8db_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 20, 2021, 07:39:27 AM
I remember Pan American, but it was a long time ago.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51055204977_1e2fbdf8db_n.jpg)

 Did the pilots stand up ?

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Darren Williams on March 20, 2021, 07:47:58 AM
Yes , and standing up makes you look cool like those weird man/motorcycle creatures in the insurance ads  :thumb:

 Dusty

Is that why every time I do it, my spam folder fills up with local women wanting to date me?   :huh:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 20, 2021, 08:07:14 AM
Is that why every time I do it, my spam folder fills up with local women wanting to date me?   :huh:

 Yes .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: blackcat on March 20, 2021, 08:23:02 AM
to those one that are surprised a HD thread goes 4 pages long on a guzzi  forum.
maybe because moto guzzi did not make anything worth discussing ........... let it sink LOL

Yeah, but what about those new colors.....
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: JJ on March 20, 2021, 09:29:17 AM
Long before the Pan America, there was this beauty from BUELL!  (Remember?) 

I almost bought one back in the day after a test ride!!


(https://i.ibb.co/nzqQ1yb/Screen-Shot-2021-03-20-at-7-27-29-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/nzqQ1yb)


Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on March 20, 2021, 11:11:00 AM
I cringe every time I hear HD say they built the first American adventure tour bike. It is most certainly that Buell.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on March 20, 2021, 11:29:19 AM
Yep.  H-D is really pushing the envelope with all the 1910-20 highlights of their bikes on dirt.  It was ALL dirt!  Made me laugh so hard I had to................. ................... ...............wait for it................. ..............stand   up! 


King for the win!  :evil:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 20, 2021, 11:35:13 AM
  :laugh:

 Even the dirt is smoother now  :rolleyes:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 20, 2021, 11:48:14 AM
Yep.  H-D is really pushing the envelope with all the 1910-20 highlights of their bikes on dirt.  It was ALL dirt!  Made me laugh so hard I had to................. ................... ...............wait for it................. ..............stand   up! 


King for the win!  :evil:

Not all of it... https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/rakeman/1823.htm  :wink:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on March 20, 2021, 03:51:10 PM
Thank you for that.  I'm sure I didn't mean literally.  I'll  positively be much more precise in my language in future discussions.
My error 1000% for not drilling down far enough.  I mean, I DO even drive over an original cobblestone road.  I'll flog myself.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Darren Williams on March 20, 2021, 05:46:32 PM
I'm surprised there hasn't been the "Dirt Glide" moniker mentioned yet. Or did I miss it?   :evil:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: mobiker on March 20, 2021, 08:56:50 PM
Yes , and standing up makes you look cool like those weird man/motorcycle creatures in the insurance ads  :thumb:

 Dusty

Those things creep me out. The weight distribution is all messed up   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: mobiker on March 20, 2021, 08:57:42 PM
I'm surprised there hasn't been the "Dirt Glide" moniker mentioned yet. Or did I miss it?   :evil:

I'm thinking "Gravel Glide".
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: oldbike54 on March 20, 2021, 09:00:29 PM
  :laugh: :thumb:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: bsanorton on March 21, 2021, 08:21:29 AM
Like Kev said, look for further uses of the new mill.   (https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/D3zSBdUbVu5f6YUje_nONA_SK7I=/796x597/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bonnier/LXMYGQGMDRHXVK3ZKJWL6QUWRY.jpg)   https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/harley-davidson-to-revive-nightster/

please make it he sportier version. I'm sick of these ' Sportsters' with the bobber fat front tire. Just not 'Sporty'

(https://i.ibb.co/ZX8T6qG/harley-davidson-bronx.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZX8T6qG)
 


(https://i.ibb.co/tc6sjnh/harley-davidson-bronx-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tc6sjnh)
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: inditx on March 21, 2021, 09:47:34 AM
Off Road Glide
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Rough Edge racing on March 21, 2021, 11:09:43 AM
please make it he sportier version. I'm sick of these ' Sportsters' with the bobber fat front tire. Just not 'Sporty'

(https://i.ibb.co/ZX8T6qG/harley-davidson-bronx.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZX8T6qG)
 


(https://i.ibb.co/tc6sjnh/harley-davidson-bronx-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tc6sjnh)

I kinda like the equal size tires front and rear..Don't care for multi  lamp non round headlight or the damn Harley forward controls and the raked out front forks....This could be like  an American Ducati Diaval...Call it the Rocky Marciano or George Foreman Special...
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on May 07, 2021, 07:37:30 AM
Some of you utterly dismissed what I said. I wasnt wrong.....


https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/2021-harley-davidson-pan-america-1250-special-first-ride-review/
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on May 07, 2021, 07:45:31 AM
  I'll flog myself.
Donít EVER say that in polite company if you come to Australia..
But if you are going to...Can I watch ?  :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: drw916 on May 07, 2021, 09:50:37 PM
I have to say Iím interested.  The adjustable ride height is a game changer for me in this segment.  Iíve owned  two   GSís, a Stelvio, and a Tiger.  With a 29Ē inseam I was always struggling at stops. Problem now solved.  I suspect(hope) that other mfgís will jump on this.

The hydraulic valves are also a great option. 

Our local dealer says they will have a demo in the next couple weeks, and hopefully Iíll get a chance to ride it.

Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on May 08, 2021, 06:58:08 AM
Huzo, never thought of it that way!  flattered you'd even want to watch  :evil:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on May 08, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
Huzo, never thought of it that way!  flattered you'd eve want to watch  :evil:
Every time I look at the tank badge/s on my V85, I think of you.
A lewd act is in order... :thumb:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on May 08, 2021, 08:37:34 AM
Good on ya, mate!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LaMojo on May 08, 2021, 04:00:55 PM
Oh...I was thinking this was about the Honda Pan American St1100.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Motormike on May 09, 2021, 02:38:58 PM
Yes, I'd laugh if a few weeks after Harley introduces the Pan America, Honda legal sends them a letter..."by the way, we own the copyright on that name!" 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Ncdan on May 10, 2021, 06:06:25 AM
Every time I look at the tank badge/s on my V85, I think of you.
A lewd act is in order... :thumb:
Yíall need to stop, itís just 6:30AM here😂😂😂😂
Good thing I had to get up anyhow to go....  well you know what😂😂😂
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: timmythecop on May 10, 2021, 07:22:00 PM
Yíall need to stop, itís just 6:30AM here😂😂😂😂
Good thing I had to get up anyhow to go....  well you know what😂😂😂
The honda you are referencing was called the Pan European.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on May 20, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
I sat on a Pan America last Friday.  I like it and it fits more of my riding style than the Road Glide.  They offered me a test ride, but just like the V85TT I passed because I don't want to start dreaming about how great the ride is.  I will hold off until year 3 to make sure it truly lives up to its reviews.  I could see my stable morphing into all Adventure bikes.

Pan America replacing Road Glide
V85TT replacing V7III
Honda CRF300Rally replacing Himalayan (need less weight so I can put it on the carrier behind my truck)
and keeping the Van Van 200. 

But the reality is much different than the fantasy.  I don't need to change out any of my current bikes. 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Alfetta on May 20, 2021, 07:47:18 AM
Another motorbike that requires the rider to stand on the pegs to ride  :rolleyes:

 Dusty

thats one of the many things i love about my V7.  I can stand up while riding. easy transition from sitting to standing. it's super !!!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Rich A on May 20, 2021, 08:40:46 AM
Every time I look at the tank badge/s on my V85, I think of you.
A lewd act is in order... :thumb:

I'm jealous

Rich A
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: SemperVee on May 20, 2021, 10:28:19 AM

  A proper MC has mid bike controls and a center stand.  Where is the center stand?
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: blackcat on May 20, 2021, 11:45:09 AM
(https://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/h-dmedia-2020-p2-gukhnguzhnation.epa.epresspacks.com/epa/632147b9bf175a10/images/preview/Center-Stand.jpg)
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Motormike on May 20, 2021, 12:01:34 PM
I don't doubt that the Pan America will be a great bike but I'll admit I'm a bit dubious on H-D's commitment to the platform after they abandoned the Bronx.
XLCR, FXRT, Buell, V-Rod, XR1200, Bronx, etc. etc.  Harley doesn't stay with slow sellers for very long.  I remember when Harley killed the XR1200 after five years, a HD sales exec. said, "I guess everyone that wanted one bought one."
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on May 20, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
XLCR, FXRT, Buell, V-Rod, XR1200, Bronx, etc. etc.  Harley doesn't stay with slow sellers for very long.  I remember when Harley killed the XR1200 after five years, a HD sales exec. said, "I guess everyone that wanted one bought one."

True for many manufacturers.  I sold a bike to a guy who collects one year Japanese bikes.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Ncdan on May 20, 2021, 10:43:23 PM
True for many manufacturers.  I sold a bike to a guy who collects one year Japanese bikes.
Like this one TWA
(https://i.ibb.co/rMMkSy6/7-E18-A7-ED-63-E0-46-C1-973-E-53-B41400986-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rMMkSy6)

1983 CB1000C , the Reagan Tariff to save HD put an end to many of the 750cc and up metric bikes back during the early 80ís.
Also this GL650I
(https://i.ibb.co/djR7vSB/090-E1-F96-EF95-4-EC2-AE68-00-EDED8391-CE.png) (https://ibb.co/djR7vSB)

complicated math equation copy and paste (https://usefulwebtool.com/math-keyboard)
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on May 21, 2021, 01:14:29 AM
I sat on a Pan America last Friday.  I like it and it fits more of my riding style than the Road Glide.  They offered me a test ride, but just like the V85TT I passed because I don't want to start dreaming about how great the ride is.  I will hold off until year 3 to make sure it truly lives up to its reviews.  I could see my stable morphing into all Adventure bikes.

Pan America replacing Road Glide
V85TT replacing V7III
Honda CRF300Rally replacing Himalayan (need less weight so I can put it on the carrier behind my truck)
and keeping the Van Van 200. 

But the reality is much different than the fantasy.  I don't need to change out any of my current bikes.
You sat on one and didnít ride it... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on May 21, 2021, 06:24:15 AM
You sat on one and didnít ride it... :rolleyes:

I haven't ridden it or the V85TT.  I will ride as many different bikes I can, but when I am truly interested in them I only ride them when I am ready to deal with the outcome of the test ride.  Be it disappointment or I have to have it.  With both bikes being first year bikes I didn't want to fall in love and have to have it. 

I am glad I waited out the V85TT because I definitely want tubeless wheels on a touring bike. 

If I decide the Pan America is too much bike for me and I will never buy it, then I will go test ride it.  The demo bike is there when I am ready.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Motormike on May 21, 2021, 11:44:37 AM
True.  A "motorcycle journalist" that writes a scathing review doesn't get invited back to the fancy unveiling events.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: ozarquebus on May 21, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
 I hope the PanAmerica turns out be be a real world beater and paradigm shifter, but....I must also pan the original post.
 How many new bikes from major manufacturers turn out to be total failures, but have glowing reports in their initial reviews in cycle magazines? I would venture to say almost all initial reports are good with only a tiny damning with faint praise or criticism of minor niggles.
 My venerable journalism professor told me when judging the honesty of a story to take into account who the writer is, why they wrote it, and who is paying them. Since the original poster is a self proclaimed professional motorcycle test rider, and is writing a very positive review of a new motorcycle rollout, I have to put that in the same category as a new bike review in a cycle magazine and view it with some skepticism.
 So, respectfully stated, Timmythecop, did you get paid for this test ride? I get a feeling that I am being manipulated by an influencer.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Seventy One on May 21, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
XLCR, FXRT, Buell, V-Rod, XR1200, Bronx, etc. etc.  Harley doesn't stay with slow sellers for very long.  I remember when Harley killed the XR1200 after five years, a HD sales exec. said, "I guess everyone that wanted one bought one."

The V-Rod was around for 16 years. Buell was around for 17 years. They never actually built the Bronx so it's pretty hard to say it was a slow seller.

A better example would be the FXDR.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on May 21, 2021, 03:14:31 PM
You've never walked into any other type of dealership in your life and been blown off by a salesperson?  Ever? 
Well.
There was that nice lady in Germany once..
But it meant nothing and I didnít buy the bike..
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on May 21, 2021, 03:28:56 PM
There is a bike repair shop in the family.
I am a retired police motor sergeant.
I test ride motorcycles for a living now.

Thousands.
You better get your abacus out, or admit that in a massive percentage of occasions it was the same make/model, different bike.
If you call it two thousand which it must be at a minimum to qualify as ďthousandsĒ, thatís in the league of 50 different models in each and every one of 40 different manufacturers.
Also, to say you have ridden ďthousandsĒ, smells like a manufactured memory, like saying how many times youíve taken a piss, or a rock star saying..ĒIíve literally bedded over 500 women..Ē
How the hell would you know unless youíve logged them all...(so to speak.)
But your test of the Harley Ferguson was one of the very best Iíve read, I am keen to ride one based on your impression alone....
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on May 21, 2021, 03:33:34 PM
Did the pilots stand up ?

 Dusty
Iíd be surprised if some of the blokes here stood up to take a piss.... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on May 21, 2021, 03:37:21 PM
I'm jealous

Rich A
What..
Of the tank badge or the lewd act ?
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 15, 2021, 08:51:17 AM
I test rode the PA and really liked it.  With my fairly short leg length it is the only ADV bike that I can flat foot.   As discussed prior it is a great package and a big hats off to HD for pulling this off.  The moto journos are pretty much universally in love with it.

Plenty of power, great handling, seat seemed comfortable, active suspension is excellent and switching riding modes on the fly was very nice.  Great dealer support if you need it and I am sure HD will have a book full of well executed accessories for it.

The only thing I didn't care for is the heat that is shed and felt very much from your knees down. 

It could possibly earn a spot in my garage.  I really like the idea that when I am out west if I see a gravel road going somewhere interesting I wouldn't be shy about exploring with it.

I rode the Norge the next day.  For on road riding I prefer the Norge!  Although down on power from the PA it is such a wonderful powerplant and drivetrain you could care less. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/1zZVH1c5/IMG-8989.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PC2qXcRB)
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Huzo on June 15, 2021, 08:56:16 AM
Damn....
It looks tough and work ready. I really like it...
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dirk_S on June 15, 2021, 09:06:24 AM
..and HD out tubeless spoked wheels on the thing before anyone had time to complain that they didnít! (ahem, V85TT)
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: bad Chad on June 15, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
Get a room girls, Iím sure the bar and shield will pay for it!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 15, 2021, 07:09:38 PM
I test rode the PA and really liked it.  With my fairly short leg length it is the only ADV bike that I can flat foot.   As discussed prior it is a great package and a big hats off to HD for pulling this off.  The moto journos are pretty much universally in love with it.

Plenty of power, great handling, seat seemed comfortable, active suspension is excellent and switching riding modes on the fly was very nice.  Great dealer support if you need it and I am sure HD will have a book full of well executed accessories for it.

The only thing I didn't care for is the heat that is shed and felt very much from your knees down. 

It could possibly earn a spot in my garage.  I really like the idea that when I am out west if I see a gravel road going somewhere interesting I wouldn't be shy about exploring with it.

I rode the Norge the next day.  For on road riding I prefer the Norge!  Although down on power from the PA it is such a wonderful powerplant and drivetrain you could care less. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/1zZVH1c5/IMG-8989.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PC2qXcRB)

Some Kevlar lined jeans would go a long way keeping the heat at bay.  I'm sure aftermarket will figure out a way to lose the cats where most of the heat is coming from.  The big KTMs will fry your nuts.  LOL!

Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Phil/TX on June 15, 2021, 07:36:56 PM
Sounds like the PA is a good bike, what is not good nowadays. I have three adv bikes, they are all fairly new, 19,20, 20. To me the V 85 tt is a great road bike, the 790 is great all around, and the 390 is a hoot any where you want to ride it. So if there is a lot of PAís on the road, that would be great, and some of the innovations that HD has implemented will be on the competition in the future.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Dirk_S on June 15, 2021, 08:19:33 PM
Some Kevlar lined jeans would go a long way keeping the heat at bay.  I'm sure aftermarket will figure out a way to lose the cats where most of the heat is coming from.  The big KTMs will fry your nuts.  LOL!

Goddang, I was waiting for TWA to bring up the Kevlar pants, and I wasnít disappointed. Someone purchased stock in DuPont recently, huh?

Joking aside, maybe they just need to route the exhaust AWAY from our right shins.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 16, 2021, 05:39:08 AM
Goddang, I was waiting for TWA to bring up the Kevlar pants, and I wasnít disappointed. Someone purchased stock in DuPont recently, huh?

Joking aside, maybe they just need to route the exhaust AWAY from our right shins.

LOL!  Everyone would ask me about heat off my air cooled bikes and I would say, "I never feel heat off my bikes."  "I feel more heat from the sun!"

Then I eventually rode each bike in today's thin jeans and sneakers and actually felt heat from them!

So now when someone complains about heat on them or their passenger the first thing I ask is "What are you wearing?"  You are sitting on top of an engine and exhaust system. 

The Japanese have come out with all kinds of tricks to try and keep engine heat away from the rider/passenger but it usually involves covering the bike in thermal lined plastic panels  and channels for the air to move the heat away from the riders.  Some will also route radiator heat below the bike, and go so far as to run the fans backwards while stopped to push the radiator heat away from the bike.

Off my soap box, until next time.   :grin:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on June 20, 2021, 06:17:44 PM
I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to ride one.  It's supposed to be real performer.

Anyway, I just chatted with a local rider that bought one.  Some of these bikes suffer from "start interruptus".   This guy's included.  He finally got his started after several tries and a call to the dealership (of which they were clueless).  I'm guessing it's an electrical glitch or something with anti theft.  No doubt it will be sorted out.  Anyway, this guy isn't alone.   And it was only an inconvenience, the bike eventually started.

I have a bike with electrics, a chip key and some "code" as well.  18k and not missed a beat, knocking wood as I write this.  Just got my desmo service too.   :undecided:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: blackcat on June 23, 2021, 07:42:42 AM
Just got my desmo service too.   :undecided:

No valve adjustment cost on the Pan Am.

What did it cost for that Desmo service?
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 23, 2021, 08:32:32 AM
I saw one on the road the other day, You can spot that funky lookin' front end a mile away!
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: rocker59 on June 24, 2021, 01:26:11 PM


One things for sure, in a niche filled with strange/odd/ungainly/ugly styling, Harley-Davidson succeeded in providing the strangest/oddest/ungainliest/ugliest styling.  And that's saying something...   

 :huh:
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 24, 2021, 02:02:32 PM

One things for sure, in a niche filled with strange/odd/ungainly/ugly styling, Harley-Davidson succeeded in providing the strangest/oddest/ungainliest/ugliest styling.  And that's saying something...   

 :huh:

I would disagree with that partly because I like symmetry.  I would have to rate the R12xxGS to be the most ugly adventure bike followed by the Super tenere, all KTMs, then the Pan America, with the last iteration of the Multistrada the best looking. 
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: kingoffleece on June 24, 2021, 09:58:59 PM
I tend to agree with you.  I don't see the insect/transformer ADV bikes being any more attractive than the PanAm.  Good for H-D to try something different.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: steven c on June 25, 2021, 08:31:49 AM
 I saw my first one out in the wild yesterday parked by a small bridge in town that is being repaired, I thought it looked pretty good in a funky kind of way.
Title: Re: Riding a Pan America
Post by: LowRyter on June 25, 2021, 03:11:25 PM
No valve adjustment cost on the Pan Am.

What did it cost for that Desmo service?


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