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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: oldbike54 on March 28, 2016, 09:06:19 PM

Title: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: oldbike54 on March 28, 2016, 09:06:19 PM
 Alright you car guys , just heard on the radio that Jaguar is going to finish the production run from 1957 . Apparently 5 were built and there was a fire that stopped production of the remaining 20 that were planned . Can anyone give some more details ? May have to start playing the lottery , the price tag will probably be in the 7 figure range  :shocked: Damn those were beautiful cars  :drool:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: LeRoy on March 28, 2016, 09:08:59 PM
Here's a start. Much more likely available among the enthusiast sites.

http://blogs.wsj.com/offduty/2016/03/23/jaguar-unveils-remake-of-classic-xkss-with-a-hefty-price-tag/
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: oldbike54 on March 28, 2016, 09:16:22 PM
 Thanks Bob , apparently the radio report got the numbers off a bit , or it might be me  :rolleyes:
Not many cars do much for me , but my oh my those certainly make my naughty bits tingle  :grin:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: PJPR01 on March 28, 2016, 09:35:34 PM
The original Shaguar...Oh behave!!  Just to go for a ride would be a thrill!
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: LowRyter on March 28, 2016, 09:59:33 PM
Alright you car guys , just heard on the radio that Jaguar is going to finish the production run from 1957 . Apparently 5 were built and there was a fire that stopped production of the remaining 20 that were planned . Can anyone give some more details ? May have to start playing the lottery , the price tag will probably be in the 7 figure range  :shocked: Damn those were beautiful cars  :drool:

 Dusty

sorta like Carrol Shelby "finding" all those 1965 Cobra VINS to finish a bunch of continuation Cobras.  VIN tags are sorta like printing your own money.

But the fire is true.  the Jag plant did burn up a lot of D-type/SS equipment.  I am sure the fire was accidental.  :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: Stormtruck2 on March 28, 2016, 10:03:50 PM
I'll take 10 tickets for the CV  Jag XJSS raffle. 
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: oldbike54 on March 28, 2016, 10:14:17 PM
I'll take 10 tickets for the CV  Jag XJSS raffle.

 Doubt if the entire burg could buy one at 1.4 Mill  :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: Stormtruck2 on March 28, 2016, 10:17:06 PM
Doubt if the entire burg could buy one at 1.4 Mill  :laugh:

  Dusty

I figured you'd price the tickets at $140,000 each, sell 20 and keep one for yourself. I bet John would buy ten tickets.  :evil:
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: oldbike54 on March 28, 2016, 10:23:16 PM
I figured you'd price the tickets at $140,000 each, sell 20 and keep one for yourself. I bet John would buy ten tickets.  :evil:

 Hmm , does the US still have an extradition deal with New Zealand ? :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: Triple Jim on March 28, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
I can tell you from experience that someone wanting that kind of performance but without the required financial backing might consider one of the smallblock Ford powered Griffiths.
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: LowRyter on March 28, 2016, 10:56:48 PM
I figured you'd price the tickets at $140,000 each, sell 20 and keep one for yourself. I bet John would buy ten tickets.  :evil:
  not me. 

My new ride will eat its lunch.

(http://g4.img-dpreview.com/20501FA1BAF544A4BFC710A06E541E8C.jpg)

why step down to 60 year old design to match the 60+ year old driver?
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: rodekyll on March 28, 2016, 11:02:59 PM
I was behind a new jag on the freeway today.  I think he was doing 25 much faster than my humble Grand Cherokee.   :bow:    :cheesy:

Can you imagine the import nightmare when a NEW 1957 jag rolls head-on into 2016 DOT/EPA/ETC?  If it's a new factory build is it a 1957?  If it's a 2016 is there any way it can be made street legal?  If it was modified for modern rules, would it be an xjss? The mind boggles after a bowl or two. 
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: boatdetective on March 29, 2016, 06:33:11 AM
I doubt very much that any of these things will "hit the street".  You might spy one toodling through the California canyons briefly on the way to some hedonistic retreat of another .0001% er.  This is the unfortunate truth of virtually all collector cars- they are about as accessible as a privately owned Van Gogh painting.
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: LeRoy on March 29, 2016, 08:15:38 AM
This is a little different from Carroll Shelby "finding" spare VINs to make hew Cobras.

For one, Jaguar is a legitimate auto manufacturer with a keen eye on its  heritage, not to mention enough marketing savvy to recognize a cost-effective way to generate plenty of publicity throughout the enthusiast press and among dyed-in-the-wool car nuts.

Shelby, on the other hand, was an opportunist car-maker of a sort who recognized an opportunity to squeeze a few more dollars out of an old myth by over-promising and under delivering on a sketchy claim of "lost VINs" and long-stored AC chassis.

In fact, Jaguar has played this tune before:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3094445/Born-E-Type-Six-new-jaguars-1963-chassis-numbers-set-roll-production-line-just-1-2million-each.html
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: GearheadGrrrl on March 29, 2016, 08:40:07 AM
All these "continuation' cars are enabled by some buried language in the most recent U.S. transportation funding bill that allows the sale of "continuation" cars that do not comply with current safety standards and CARB standards. They do have to be based on an old design, meet EPA emissions standards for the engine year, and be built by the original manufacturer or a licensee, and in very limited numbers. Ford has chosen to license the building of some 60s Mustangs and GM some 60s Vette's, while Jaguar has chosen to build the continuation cars themselves.

This looks to be a very profitable cottage industry- whole body shells are already available for the Mustangs for around $15-20k along with crate engines. Just assemble and there'll be a whole line of 60 something fools with "creative recall" of what a 60s Mustang were really like to drive and these fools have six and seven figure net worths to buy them.
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: Stormtruck2 on March 29, 2016, 09:44:32 AM
I'd love to buy a new old Boss 429 Stang. 
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: Tom on March 29, 2016, 08:31:51 PM
Morgans are in the category of low number recreations that can be brought in without current FED DOT standards on them.
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: keuka4884 on March 29, 2016, 11:21:35 PM
The XKSS is/was a beautiful Jag. Smooth styling for the fifties. At $1.4Mil each that is a very reasonable price. Doesn't sound it, but if one ever hits the secondary market the price will jump. All will be right hand drive. I have read that all have been presold. A truly awesome car. Steve McQueen owned one, sold it, and bought it back from the man he sold it to for a lot more money he liked it so much.
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: charlie b on March 30, 2016, 07:39:04 AM
I like them too and glad they can do this.

Now, maybe Ferrari could make a run of GTO's!!!  They have been my favorite car since I was a tyke.
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: M0T0Geezer on March 30, 2016, 08:50:12 AM
Here's a start. Much more likely available among the enthusiast sites.

http://blogs.wsj.com/offduty/2016/03/23/jaguar-unveils-remake-of-classic-xkss-with-a-hefty-price-tag/

Great articles, worth a read.  Besides, you will learn a new word - concupiscent - that also applies to Moto Guzzi.

'Geezer
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: drlapo on March 30, 2016, 01:25:36 PM
Rats, they refused my deposit
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on March 30, 2016, 06:41:32 PM
 So just which are you talking about?  The XJSS or the XKSS?
Title: Re: Jaguar XJSS
Post by: LowRyter on March 30, 2016, 06:46:57 PM
good point  SJ,

It should be XKSS
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: Beerman on November 05, 2017, 03:37:48 PM
As the owner of a humble XJ, I'm feeling inadequate. But it does have massage in both front seats....

Beerman
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: Dean Rose on November 05, 2017, 03:57:33 PM
How about one of these.

(http://speedster.s3.amazonaws.com/_JL34934.jpg)

http://www.eaglegb.com/9/eagle-speedster

Dean
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: Triple Jim on November 05, 2017, 04:09:35 PM
Dean, when I was a kid, the Jaguar XKE was my favorite car to dream about having.  I wouldn't mind one of the ones in your link at all.  :)
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: Phang on November 06, 2017, 12:05:44 AM
Ducati Singapore is under a new dealership that owns a few luxury car brands and shares the showroom floor too.

When I visited my mate who work in Ducati last month, I stumbled across this

one of The Missing Six - Lightweight E-Type

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2eqb5td.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/eu3qwz.jpg)

Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: Old Jock on November 06, 2017, 04:06:33 AM
Ducati Singapore is under a new dealership that owns a few luxury car brands and shares the showroom floor too.

When I visited my mate who work in Ducati last month, I stumbled across this

one of The Missing Six - Lightweight E-Type

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2eqb5td.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/eu3qwz.jpg)

 :drool:
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: Phang on November 06, 2017, 04:20:59 AM
If Guzzi can copy the idea, come out with a story about 'The Missing 50 Telaio Rosso' and 'The Missing 100 Lemans 850' and reproduce them according to the old engineering drawings with a period correct chassis and engine number, that will be great  :grin:
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: oldbike54 on November 06, 2017, 08:20:42 AM
 OH MY Phang , not really a car guy , but that E type , WOW  :bow:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: mojoe on November 06, 2017, 02:12:34 PM
Look unless you have the slush fund of an African dictator the only Jag to buy is an XK8/XKR!!!

And I have one-- so there  :cool:
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: Peter from Sch'dy on November 06, 2017, 02:48:50 PM
Didn't Guzzi do this 20 years ago with the reproduction GP bikes?
best,
Peter
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: ohiorider on November 06, 2017, 04:00:38 PM
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/engine-jaguar-e-type.html

Above link to several photos of the XKE engine.  The beauty of these cars was way more than skin deep.  Six individual headers, three sidedraft SU carburettors, DOHC inline 6.

Bob

EDIT:  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the basic engine that powered the older XK120/140/150 was much the same as the XKE engine.

As I recall, the front end styling really suffered when the USA Dept of Trans demanded the Jag be equipped with 5mph bumpers.
Title: Re: Jaguar XKSS
Post by: Tusayan on November 06, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
EDIT:  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the basic engine that powered the older XK120/140/150 was much the same as the XKE engine

The same basic engine was fitted to different models from 1948 until the early '90s.