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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: sdcr on November 23, 2017, 09:54:44 PM
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This silver Sport looks like it's set up nice with flat sides and Staintune
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/6398133021.html
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That is nice. I saw that bike a few years ago when I was at his house to buy a Ducati. He said he'd never sell it!
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ohhhhh :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
I am a sucker for these bikes ... so gorgeous ....
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Nice upgrades but a little high in price.
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Tom,
While I don't disagree that, today, the $5500. price is considered" high". Taking into account that these bikes were made for only about two years (3 if you include the 1997 injected Sports), and in limited numbers, it may be justified. IIRC, under 1000 carb Sport models were built, somebody can correct me with the actual production numbers. The Sports were hand built when Dr John was involved at the factory, and they are, IMHO, a high water mark of "modern" Guzzi sport models.
The upgrade flat side carbs and Staintune exhaust adds to the allure of this one. At some point in time, we may look back and reminisce about $5500. Sport 1100's. Just my thoughts.
Nice upgrades but a little high in price.
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Buying the carbs now is about $1,000.00 and I doin't think you can get the Sta in Tune's anymore either...
Eric
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And you my friend, have one of the rarest of rare Sport 1100's, the blue one. :bow:
Buying the carbs now is about $1,000.00 and I doin't think you can get the Sta in Tune's anymore either...
Eric
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Try $1,400.00 for the carb kit including everything but filters. I don't think $5,500 is that unreasonable. These aren't getting any cheaper.
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Nice upgrades but a little high in price.
On Craigslist, yes. But the price is not high for a Sport in great condition considering what the auction prices can bring on eBay.
In my experience to get "all the money" it should be represented by a knowledgeable description backed up by at least 20 photos-- on eBay with a contact phone number. A couple of photos on a brief Craigslist ad is unlikely to find a willing buyer.
Craigslist ads are good for bargain pricing in a local market. Ebay auctions have the potential to reach a very wide audience and realize maximum sale prices.
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It's still on Craigslist. While the bike may be worth the asking price. It's worth is what the seller is willing to take in cash. The current market value isn't $5500 otherwise there would be a sale. Should be lower for a sale. I'd start putting on the oem parts and sell the take-offs then sell it.
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Good point. I think you could sell the carbs and exhaust for at least $1500.00.
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I'm figuring that it would have cost less to rejet the carbs for the exhaust than buying new carbs. :tongue:
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I'm figuring that it would have cost less to rejet the carbs for the exhaust than buying new carbs. :tongue:
that's what I did for my 95. added a Strada digiplex as well. crossover, low restriction mufflers, runs great
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I'm figuring that it would have cost less to rejet the carbs for the exhaust than buying new carbs. :tongue:
Having had both you will never get the Delorto's to function as well as the FCR's there is somewhere between 20 and 30 years development between the two designs one was made for mass production and the other as the last work in carbs before fuel injection took over.
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Generally the Guzzi "sports" over the last couple of years in the NE have been selling in the $3,500 range and have not really increased or decreased only stagnated. Sure the FCR are nice but they add to the curb appeal and not the overall value. Same with the Exhaust. While both the carbs and exhaust cost big money new if you remove them who is you buying audience and are they going to pay anything near new?
The issue is the guys who always lusted over Sports and can now afford them are at an age where they can't comfortably ride them. The younger crowd has no interest in what they consider a overweight underpowered bike.
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I think you guys in the US are a bit spoilt.
I've been keeping my eyes on the Australian market for a while watching Sport 1100s. I have to have one when I get home. Recently there were a couple advertised at $8000 AUD and $9000 AUD. Now the only two for sale in Aus are theses.
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/burns-beach/motorcycles/moto-guzzi-1100-sport/1166201510 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/burns-beach/motorcycles/moto-guzzi-1100-sport/1166201510)
Moto Guzzi 1100 Sport
$12,000.00
12,000 AUD =9,133.79 USD
kinross
1997 Moto Guzzi 1100i -
last of the Fuel Injected Sport models.
Brembo braked, Braided Lines, Biturbo Steering damper .Marchenesi Alloy Rims, WP fully Adjustable Suspension, Power Commander II, Dynotuned, K&N Airfilter, Staintune Pipes, Performance Chip, Tinted Screen
Two owners, always garaged and never ridden in rain. Low 37,000kms.
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and this one.
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/midvale/motorcycles/moto-guzzi-1100-sport/1164503320 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/midvale/motorcycles/moto-guzzi-1100-sport/1164503320)
moto guzzi 1100 sport
$11,000.00
unit 3/30 beaconsfield ave Midvale
Moto guzzi 1100 sport, fuel injected, rare factory blue colour, aftermarket and original pipes. Super low 32,000m kms. 2 owners, hard to find and in excellent condition. Must sell due to relocation. $11,000
11,000 AUD =8,373.81 USD
Just listed -
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/highgate-hill/motorcycles/rare-moto-guzzi/1167133560 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/highgate-hill/motorcycles/rare-moto-guzzi/1167133560)
Rare moto guzzi
$13,000.00
13,000 AUD =9,890.10 USD
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First of the 1100 sport Moto Guzzi’s, carburettor model 1995. They only made these for one year prior to going fuel injected. These are very rare and hard to find. This has 45k original kms and has recently had all oils, filter and plugs changed. Tyres are 90%, adjustable suspension all round, brembo brakes, stainless exhaust and carbon twin mufflers. This bike is in excellent condition and will not disappoint. These bikes are only going up and up in price and will make a great investment unlike jap bikes.
I'd buy any one of these and happily pay the asking price. In my mind they are sooooo RARE that they can only ever appreciate in price.
$5,500USD seems like a bargain to me!
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I think you guys in the US are a bit spoilt.
I've been keeping my eyes on the Australian market for a while watching Sport 1100s. I have to have one when I get home. Recently there were a couple advertised at $8000 AUD and $9000 AUD. Now the only two for sale in Aus are theses.
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/burns-beach/motorcycles/moto-guzzi-1100-sport/1166201510 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/burns-beach/motorcycles/moto-guzzi-1100-sport/1166201510)
Moto Guzzi 1100 Sport
$12,000.00
12,000 AUD =9,133.79 USD
kinross
1997 Moto Guzzi 1100i -
last of the Fuel Injected Sport models.
Brembo braked, Braided Lines, Biturbo Steering damper .Marchenesi Alloy Rims, WP fully Adjustable Suspension, Power Commander II, Dynotuned, K&N Airfilter, Staintune Pipes, Performance Chip, Tinted Screen
Two owners, always garaged and never ridden in rain. Low 37,000kms.
and this one.
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/midvale/motorcycles/moto-guzzi-1100-sport/1164503320
moto guzzi 1100 sport
$11,000.00
unit 3/30 beaconsfield ave Midvale
Moto guzzi 1100 sport, fuel injected, rare factory blue colour, aftermarket and original pipes. Super low 32,000m kms. 2 owners, hard to find and in excellent condition. Must sell due to relocation. $11,000
11,000 AUD =8,373.81 USD
I'd buy either and happily pay the asking price. In my mind they are sooooo RARE that they can only ever appreciate in price.
$5,500USD seems like a bargain to me!
The sale of new motorcycle in the USA is very soft and has been for a few years now. Lots of dealers have years old new old stock sitting on the showroom floor needing to be discounted by thousands off MSRP just to more them. Over on Strom Troopers there was a dealer selling a new leftover 2015 Vee Strom 650 for $3,999 no fee's just tax and tags. The bikes MSRP was something like $8,400. While great for that buyer the already weak secondary market just got knocked back another notch.
Would it be feasible to buy this Sport and import it into AUS?
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The sale of new motorcycle in the USA is very soft and has been for a few years now. Lots of dealers have years old new old stock sitting on the showroom floor needing to be discounted by thousands off MSRP just to more them. Over on Strom Troopers there was a dealer selling a new leftover 2015 Vee Strom 650 for $3,999 no fee's just tax and tags. The bikes MSRP was something like $8,400. While great for that buyer the already weak secondary market just got knocked back another notch.
Would it be feasible to buy this Sport and import it into AUS?
THe motorcycle market in Singapore is completely F**ked. There is a ten year registration cost that is currently $6000, on top of $450 road tax every year. When a bike reaches 10 years old it is virtually worthless. With so few Guzzi riders here, I think it will be next to impossible to sell either bike, so I'm in the sad position of having to beg Aussie customs to let me bring my two Guzzis home. (The rule is only one import in 5 years.) With my Bellagio 10 year reg expiring in 6 months and the Jackal approaching 20 years old and expiring in 2021 they will either come home to Aus with me or I'll lose every dollar I put into them less maybe $500 scrap metal value.
another incredible thing is a n Additional Registration Fee on new bikes here.
Mr Syahrul, who upgrades his motorbike every two to three years just saw his next target motorbike double in price.
He was planning to move on from his year-old $30,000 BMW S1000R to a BMW R1200GS, which cost $40,000 last week.
It will now cost around $80,000.
"Now, I really have to think twice before buying a bike," he said.
I have to go home to Aus.
It is possible to import a Sport 1100 from USA to Aus, but not for me. :cry:
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I bought a silver 11k miles 1996 Sport last year from a guy out of Maine, and I paid with $300.00 shipping included, a total of $3.8k for this bike. This bike came with a nice tank travel bag, also had new tires, and a new cross-over exhaust pipe installed. She does however still have the original exhaust and carbs. For me, the US $5.5k asking price for the PA bike is a little to steep also, but I mainly base my opinion on this bikes value due to the 45k milage that she has under her belt. I own two 1996 and four 1997 1100's, and the lowest cost 1100 in my stable is the blue 21k mileage 1996, that I paid US $1.5k for about a year ago. The most $$$ that I have spend so far for a 1100 is my red 7.2k milage 1997, which was purchased during a liquidation sale of a Wisconsin motorcycle museum. I paid US 5.2k for this bike, which had the Will Creedon chip and a carbon exhaust already installed.
And then there is the "After the Purchase" expenses the at least I usually encounter.... I consider most used bike sellers in the same category as used car sellers, which includes Moto Guzzi bike sellers! I have personally noticed that many owners sell their bikes after the cost of replacing certain items are to costly to justify if considering the bikes value, or they are unable to make repairs by them selfs, and the repair costs from a dealer would be to high for the owner. I have spend somewhere between at least $500.00, and up to $2500.00 on any of my used bike purchases. Some bikes had issues that I had known about before the purchase, and others I had not known about. All of my 1100 purchased bikes were in need of a complete tuneup, others needed new brake rotors and pads, some had electrical issues, carbs needed rebuilding, bad batteries, good but 10 year old tires, and, and, and... I usually add in my mind at lease $1,000.00 on for unknown repair costs to any used bike purchase, since I can't justify sometimes flying to the bikes location to check her out in person. But this is the price I have to pay for buying a very low production run motorcycle.
I think that the 1996 silver 1100 out of PA will probably sell for around US $3.5K - $3.8k. I think that the exhaust and carbs add about $800.00 to the overall value of this bike, but the actual 45k mileage bike in my opinion is only worth around US $3k knowing that I paid for the identical model and color bike $3.5k / 11k milage only a couple of month ago. I consider a lower milage bike always a better value, since I can add the extras usually at a reasonable cost, if I were to choose of doing so, but you can't remove the wear and tear of a 21 year old 45k miles used bike.
I do however believe that these bikes will go up in value over time. I think that the 1100, which are being bought today, will fall into mostly long-term ownerships, since most people like me buy these bikes not so much because of their performance, or lack off..... but for the way they look, what they stand for, their rarity, eye candy, and for me mostly the fact that they stand out from the crowed. I own bikes that will put all of my 1100's to shame, if you would only look at their drive train or engine performance, but not many people will pay attention to them when I ride them. This does not happen with the Sport's! Regardless of where I decide to ride or stop for a break, other people, riders or bystanders, and regardless of their ages, will always come over and want to talk and take pictures of my 1100 Sport's. And this by itself tells me that the 1100 Sport is something special, even if still very much undervalued, in my opinion!
I will continue to check on this bike over the next couple of weeks, and I will may decide to submit a (what I think) a fair offer would be to the seller, if the bike is still available.
My above statements only reflect my personal thoughts on the value of the PA bike, and I could be completely off on the value in some other peoples or sellers opinions.
Andy
ps: Please keep your eyes open and let me know if anybody sees a black or bronze/black/brown 1100 for sale, since I'm still looking for them so that I can complete my 1100 collection.......
This is the 1996 Silver 1100 I bought out of Maine earlier this year. I have a original air-box and the cross-over for this bike, so she could become all original again, if ever used as a show-bike in years to come.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/bwO8cm/fullsizeoutput_200ee.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bwO8cm)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/iAdVq6/fullsizeoutput_200f5.jpg) (http://ibb.co/iAdVq6)
This is the Wisconsin Museum bike. I also have a original 97 exhaust system, plus the original ECU chip, so this bike could also be made 100% original again.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/de1Tcm/IMG_1665.jpg) (http://ibb.co/de1Tcm)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/e8JPHm/fullsizeoutput_20052.jpg) (http://ibb.co/e8JPHm)
Here are some of my other Guzzi's. I'm currently working on my second yellow 97, so she didn't make the picture right now, since she is still sitting on the lift for now.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/dH5ocm/fullsizeoutput_201f3.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dH5ocm)
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THe motorcycle market in Singapore is completely F**ked.
That's because it's not really a "market" ....
On this bike here, it's hard to imagine that it will go over $4,000. Lots of people have given reasons why it should be "worth" $5500, but when Sport buyers can buy nice bikes for 75% of the asking price of this one, the "worth" changes ...
Lannis
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Between the V 11 sport, and the 1100 sport , which bike does the group feel will go up in value more in the future? I suspect the V 11 sport will, just due to the fact that its more "rideable" . As far as looks, I prefer the classic lines of the 1100 sport, but the V 11 sport is a close second in the looks dept.
Rick.
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Between the V 11 sport, and the 1100 sport , which bike does the group feel will go up in value more in the future? I suspect the V 11 sport will, just due to the fact that its more "rideable" . As far as looks, I prefer the classic lines of the 1100 sport, but the V 11 sport is a close second in the looks dept.
Rick.
None .
it's a guzzi , they don't go up in value.............. .......
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That's because it's not really a "market" ....
On this bike here, it's hard to imagine that it will go over $4,000. Lots of people have given reasons why it should be "worth" $5500, but when Sport buyers can buy nice bikes for 75% of the asking price of this one, the "worth" changes ...
Lannis
Hi Lannis,
I agree with your $$$ value on the PA bike; however, I'm not sure if I could buy what I would consider a lower milage "Nice Bike" looking at the 1100 Sport for around $4k.... Five of my six 1100's were "nice bikes", but all needed work. I think that the statement "You get what you pay for" is more true than not. For instance, I would never sell any of the bikes that I own for what I bought them for, since my OCD requires that everything has to be done right when I own something. This includes not just getting something to work, but getting it to work done right, which is not necessarily a cheap way of getting it done, especially if you replace bad components with brand name replacements and not just cheap aftermarket crap.
I on average get about one inquire a month from someone here within the US asking me if I would consider selling one of my bikes to them. My answer is always "Thanks for asking, but no thanks". So rest assure, that I for one would never sell any of my bikes for what I bought them for, and the people who contact me about my bikes know this, and they would never think that they would buy one of them for "a nice bike" value deal. So for me, a lower milage, which I consider 20k miles or less, is worth between $3k-4K. But a bike done right, in truly almost perfect condition, which needs nothing / has new brand name components like Brembo brakes and rotors, has no engine or transmission issues, good tires, new battery, perfect visually, and maybe some upgrades like a better exhaust, ECU performance chip, cross-over, a owner and maintenance history..... should go for at least $6k and up from there.
So I think that the value of these bike will go up in time, since most people who buy the 95-97 1100 Sport are a little older by now and appreciate these bikes for what they are. I am also glad that most younger riders are mostly interested in performance, so they usually overlook the 1100's, which keeps the once left around hopefully safe from getting destroyed or just worn out. And my statement about younger riders is just in reference, since I personally know younger riders in their 20's who would love to own one of my bikes, and they would take care of them like I do.
But then again, those are just my opinions on the current and future value of these bikes.
Andy
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None .
it's a guzzi , they don't go up in value.............. .......
......... unfortunately this is true for more Guzzi than not.
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My take on the subject on which bike to buy next would be either but for different reasons. The 1100 Sports for their rarity and the V11 Sports for their recent Cycle World article. Both bikes for their looks. :wink:
https://www.cycleworld.com/moto-guzzi-v11-cafe-style-review-best-used-motorcycle?CMPID=112317&spMailingID=31760622&spUserID=NzQ5OTQyOTQyODAS1&spJobID=1162887834&spReportId=MTE2Mjg4NzgzNAS2
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Hi Lannis,
I agree with your $$$ value on the PA bike; however, I'm not sure if I could buy what I would consider a lower milage "Nice Bike" looking at the 1100 Sport for around $4k.... Five of my six 1100's were "nice bikes", but all needed work. I think that the statement "You get what you pay for" is more true than not. For instance, I would never sell any of the bikes that I own for what I bought them for, since my OCD requires that everything has to be done right when I own something. This includes not just getting something to work, but getting it to work done right, which is not necessarily a cheap way of getting it done, especially if you replace bad components with brand name replacements and not just cheap aftermarket crap.
I on average get about one inquire a month from someone here within the US asking me if I would consider selling one of my bikes to them. My answer is always "Thanks for asking, but no thanks". So rest assure, that I for one would never sell any of my bikes for what I bought them for, and the people who contact me about my bikes know this, and they would never think that they would buy one of them for "a nice bike" value deal. So for me, a lower milage, which I consider 20k miles or less, is worth between $3k-4K. But a bike done right, in truly almost perfect condition, which needs nothing / has new brand name components like Brembo brakes and rotors, has no engine or transmission issues, good tires, new battery, perfect visually, and maybe some upgrades like a better exhaust, ECU performance chip, cross-over, a owner and maintenance history..... should go for at least $6k and up from there.
So I think that the value of these bike will go up in time, since most people who buy the 95-97 1100 Sport are a little older by now and appreciate these bikes for what they are. I am also glad that most younger riders are mostly interested in performance, so they usually overlook the 1100's, which keeps the once left around hopefully safe from getting destroyed or just worn out. And my statement about younger riders is just in reference, since I personally know younger riders in their 20's who would love to own one of my bikes, and they would take care of them like I do.
But then again, those are just my opinions on the current and future value of these bikes.
Andy
Good opinions and worth taking account of!
Lannis
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They`ve been $4500 for the last 10 years. They will be $4500 for the next 10 years
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/bwO8cm/fullsizeoutput_200ee.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bwO8cm)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/iAdVq6/fullsizeoutput_200f5.jpg) (http://ibb.co/iAdVq6)
This is the Wisconsin Museum bike. I also have a original 97 exhaust system, plus the original ECU chip, so this bike could also be made 100% original again.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/de1Tcm/IMG_1665.jpg) (http://ibb.co/de1Tcm)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/e8JPHm/fullsizeoutput_20052.jpg) (http://ibb.co/e8JPHm)
Here are some of my other Guzzi's. I'm currently working on my second yellow 97, so she didn't make the picture right now, since she is still sitting on the lift for now.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/dH5ocm/fullsizeoutput_201f3.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dH5ocm)
I gotta love crazy guys with a collection like that. WOW. I prefer the LV as the the Sports kill my back. I bought a Mille new in 91 and could have bought a new 90 LM V big valve for $500 more that was sitting next to it. Worst mistake I ever made ..... hum that is after unloading my round case 750 GT Duck for $750 in 1991. ☹️
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They`ve been $4500 for the last 10 years. They will be $4500 for the next 10 years
Not to start something up here, but your statement is so not true......
They were maybe $4.5k ten years ago, but I know of several 1100 Sports which sold during the past two years, and not counting some of my bikes that I bought, which one sold for $8k, and two others for $7k. There is also currently one for sale in Asheville for $9k. And yes, you can buy these bikes for $4.5k or even less, but you better plan on spending another $1K, $2k, or even more to get them updated or repaired of whatever issues they may have. So then the question becomes on how much did you then pay in reality for this $4.5k bike? In my world, money that I know ahead of time which I need to spend on any vehicle that I buy is going to get included in the purchase cost, and then there is an additional amount to cover unknowns, which always happen. So when I look at any of my bikes that cost me lets say $4.5k, and I had to pay an additional $2k to get them up to perfect condition, then was the purchase cost still only $4.5K???? I think not. You would tell stories to people making them believe that a bike that you paid additional $$$ for to get it in pristine condition was purchased for only $4.5k!
On the other hand, please let me know of any low milage and in pristine condition, needing nothing 1995-1998 1100 Sports for sale with an asking price of $4.5k, since I would love to buy them all at that cost.
People who make assumptions or statements need to compare apples with apples, and not apples with oranges......
Andy
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Not to start something up here, but your statement is so not true......
They were maybe $4.5k ten years ago, but I know of several 1100 Sports which sold during the past two years, and not counting some of my bikes that I bought, which one sold for $8k, and two others for $7k. There is also currently one for sale in Asheville for $9k. And yes, you can buy these bikes for $4.5k or even less, but you better plan on spending another $1K, $2k, or even more to get them updated or repaired of whatever issues they may have. So then the question becomes on how much did you then pay in reality for this $4.5k bike? In my world, money that I know ahead of time which I need to spend on any vehicle that I buy is going to get included in the purchase cost, and then there is an additional amount to cover unknowns, which always happen. So when I look at any of my bikes that cost me lets say $4.5k, and I had to pay an additional $2k to get them up to perfect condition, then was the purchase cost still only $4.5K???? I think not. You would tell stories to people making them believe that a bike that you paid additional $$$ for to get it in pristine condition was purchased for only $4.5k!
On the other hand, please let me know of any low milage and in pristine condition, needing nothing 1995-1998 1100 Sports for sale with an asking price of $4.5k, since I would love to buy them all at that cost.
People who make assumptions or statements need to compare apples with apples, and not apples with oranges......
Andy
Just because 1 or 2 people paid extraordinary money for a bike is not indicative of what the market is generally at. Over the last 3 or 4 years I have watch several Sports get listed for 5 to 6K and eventually sell for $3,400 to $3,800. For the last year I haven't been too involved in the buyers segment of the market so maybe they are now bringing 25% more than what they were??
Typically there are two schools of thought when buying used driven by if you are a DIY'er or a pay someone else to do it type.
1. The DIY'er looks for the best value and hope to save some money hoping they'll have a "good" bike in the end.
2. The Pay some else type looks for the best cleanest, lowest mileage bike that appears to need very little or nothing and pays a premium hoping they have a "good" bike.
In the end neither is wrong but paying more up front doesn't guarantee you get a better bike.
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The truth is :
Young kids who likes fast sport bikes are not interested in sport guzzis because they like a different kind of " fast bikes "
Old-er guys that likes sport guzzis and are interested in sport guzzis ... cannot ride them because the riding position hurts their wrist , back , butt ...etc
The circle of potential buyer of sport guzzis is small... and guzzi guys are also , cheap ....LOL
There could be out there someone that can still ride sport guzzis and really love them and will probably pay the full asking price ....
I have been there , i liked / wanted a motorcycle so bad that i paid more than others would have . I did not care much , i was happy to have the bike i was obsessed with .
Nothing wrong with that .....
This motorcycle will find a buyer .... it is just a matter of time .
One thing it is for sure : Guzzisti buy the guzzi for passion , not because they are a good investment ( unless we are talking about V7 sport , or Le mans first series , or antique horizontal cylinder bike )
Ciao .
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Regarding pricing for the Sport 1100 series, both carb and injected models, I come at this with a somewhat different perspective. I consider the Moto Guzzi Sport 1100, to be similar to the 1000S, in desirability. Both are unique and appealing Moto Guzzi platforms, that lean towards sport riding. Both models, the 1000S and the Sport 1100 are low production, although the 1000S, is by far a rarer machine. At one time, you could find a clean 1000S for 5-6 grand. That is no longer the case, as most change hands now at $10,000 and up.
I believe that once the available supply of Sport 1100's dwindles down, and Medic Andy is helping this happen, the prices will rise. They are exceptional Moto Guzzi's, and I speak as someone who has put over 50,000 miles on the 3 Sports that I owned.
As things are today, with a depressed overall MC marketplace, and a relatively high number of available Sport 1100s, prices are reflecting the "supply and demand" situation for buyers.
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When all we old Guzzi fans will die , nobody would care about these old machines....
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When all we old Guzzi fans will die , nobody would care about these old machines....
I don't know about that. Last year at my first Rally, there were a couple of guys in there 30's, mistakenly thinking i was of a similar vintage (it was dark, and there was bourbon involved) giving an impassioned plea to me to join them as "young guys" in making sure the marque and it's heritage is being proselytized far and wide. They were on an 96 Sport and 71 Eldo with a hack. Last weekend, I stopped into a Vintage motorcycle shop in Louisville, owned by one of the aforementioned thirty-somethings, who commented that in the last year, "everybody" is buying old Guzzi's. Use to be himself and 3 other guys in town had 'em, now everyone has to have them. 850T's and Loops being the most commonly seen.
There may be life for these old lumps yet.
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The truth is :
Young kids who likes fast sport bikes are not interested in sport guzzis because they like a different kind of " fast bikes "
Old-er guys that likes sport guzzis and are interested in sport guzzis ... cannot ride them because the riding position hurts their wrist , back , butt ...etc
The circle of potential buyer of sport guzzis is small... and guzzi guys are also , cheap ....LOL
There could be out there someone that can still ride sport guzzis and really love them and will probably pay the full asking price ....
I have been there , i liked / wanted a motorcycle so bad that i paid more than others would have . I did not care much , i was happy to have the bike i was obsessed with .
Nothing wrong with that .....
This motorcycle will find a buyer .... it is just a matter of time .
One thing it is for sure : Guzzisti buy the guzzi for passion , not because they are a good investment ( unless we are talking about V7 sport , or Le mans first series , or antique horizontal cylinder bike )
Ciao .
DYK you can switch clip-ons left to right to raise them a bit? And ridden at higher speeds the wind takes weight off your back to some extent. Def. not a city/stop and go kinda bike, but in it's element it's pretty darn comfortable/stable
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Between the V 11 sport, and the 1100 sport , which bike does the group feel will go up in value more in the future? I suspect the V 11 sport will, just due to the fact that its more "rideable" . As far as looks, I prefer the classic lines of the 1100 sport, but the V 11 sport is a close second in the looks dept.
Rick.
My opinion is that the 1100 Sport (carb) should realize higher values than the V11 series in the future. Because it's older and then there's the fact that it was hand-built in the Italian tradition. The V11 won't age as well into the future. For one, it has a plastic fuel tank and other plastic parts that are a liability. Most vintage collectors prefer carburetors.
That said, I sold my Nero Corsa on eBay a few weeks ago for 7k to a collector!
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Being in moderately good shape at 61, 150 miles is my maximum for the Sport, which suits me fine for a Sunday ride. Saying that, the Ducati is much much more comfortable.
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And yes, you can buy these bikes for $4.5k or even less, but you better plan on spending another $1K, $2k, or even more to get them updated or repaired of whatever issues they may have. So then the question becomes on how much did you then pay in reality for this $4.5k bike? In my world, money that I know ahead of time which I need to spend on any vehicle that I buy is going to get included in the purchase cost, and then there is an additional amount to cover unknowns, which always happen. So when I look at any of my bikes that cost me lets say $4.5k, and I had to pay an additional $2k to get them up to perfect condition, then was the purchase cost still only $4.5K???? I think not. You would tell stories to people making them believe that a bike that you paid additional $$$ for to get it in pristine condition was purchased for only $4.5k!
Andy
I'm following your posts with interest and appreciate your experience with these bikes, but expecting people to add any money that they spend in future on a bike they've bought, IN ADDITION TO the purchase cost, and call that the "purchase cost of the bike", isn't reasonable.
I've seen very nice Sports sell for about $4K, some less. Very rideable and nothing that needs to be done to them. To say that that's not a valid price for comparison because to bring it to absolutely mint, as-new condition would cost another $3K, so the price is "really" $7K ....
... well, that's not going to really fly, I don't think. At least not in normal-people language ....
Lannis
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When all we old Guzzi fans will die , nobody would care about these old machines....
A common thought among us mortals, as we consider our impending end of life here on Earth, but it never really works that way. Life continues to wag on, and old vehicles ALWAYS gain in value as time goes on.
Twenty to twenty-five-year-old Guzzis are probably about bottomed out, and may stay that way for another 10 years or so (as has been mentioned).
But can you point out any interesting performance vehicles from my (or our) youth that are just languishing with "no interest" in them by anyone? Round case Ducatis? Z1 Kawasakis? Olds 4-4-2s? Mercury Comets with 289 engines? Hemi Challengers? Volkswagen Beetles or Citroen 2CVs?
Answer is there aren't any. In the 70s, twenty-year-old Vincent motorcycles were just old used bikes that traded in the hundreds of dollars each, maybe a couple thousand for a pristine one. '55 Buick Skylark convertibles starred in "Wide World of Sports" demolition derbies on Sunday afternoons. I was offered a nice, original, running, 1952 Indian Chief for $900 in 1979, and turned it down.
Believe me, that process isn't going to stop even when we're gone from here ... !
Lannis
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Being in moderately good shape at 61, 150 miles is my maximum for the Sport, which suits me fine for a Sunday ride. Saying that, the Ducati is much much more comfortable.
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How else does your Ducati compare to the Guzzi? I've got a Carb Sport 1100 and am curious how the two compare in regards to power and handling and overall character. I've always loved the look of the 92-98 ducati sports.
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I am very glad I had my Sport and sold it on without too much regret. My needs and wants had evolved. I sometimes wish I had also had a V11S, and a Ducati 900SS of the '90s.
I am with Lannis on the market question, and I'm also struck by how people view the market for, well, just about anything.
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How else does your Ducati compare to the Guzzi? I've got a Carb Sport 1100 and am curious how the two compare in regards to power and handling and overall character. I've always loved the look of the 92-98 ducati sports.
Sportbike mag. did a comparison test back some years ago. looking back through my stuff to find it. Duc. was rated more comfortable, Guzzi was a bit faster. pretty close overall in most categories
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I am very glad I had my Sport and sold it on without too much regret. My needs and wants had evolved. I sometimes wish I had also had a V11S, and a Ducati 900SS of the '90s.
I am with Lannis on the market question, and I'm also struck by how people view the market for, well, just about anything.
A line that we see ALL the time as we hunt up used bikes (or collector cars, for that matter) is something like the following:
"1977 Triumph Tiger, bike has been restored with chromed cylinders, solo seat, high bars, an original Sonny Routt cylinder kit, Mikuni carbs, and custom paint. All work done to a high standard, bike is beautiful and runs well. I have over $12,000 in this bike, and will sell for $12,000 FIRM! No low-ballers or tire-kickers, it would take $20,000 to duplicate this bike today and I will not take a penny less than what I know it is worth ... "
Some people would consider this an indication of the "market" for Meriden Triumphs as in "Wow, did you see what they're getting for old Triumphs these days?" But we, as buyers and sellers of actual bikes in a world where people ride them, know that the amount that you "have in a bike" has little to do with the selling value of the bike ....
Lannis
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I'm following your posts with interest and appreciate your experience with these bikes, but expecting people to add any money that they spend in future on a bike they've bought, IN ADDITION TO the purchase cost, and call that the "purchase cost of the bike", isn't reasonable.
I've seen very nice Sports sell for about $4K, some less. Very rideable and nothing that needs to be done to them. To say that that's not a valid price for comparison because to bring it to absolutely mint, as-new condition would cost another $3K, so the price is "really" $7K ....
... well, that's not going to really fly, I don't think. At least not in normal-people language ....
Lannis
Hi Lannis,
Maybe I am the only one here in the Guzzi world that sees things my way, which is ok! I'm also pretty sure that I will never be a real Guzzi guy, since I like for my things to be done right, which costs $$$ at times, and real Guzzi guys are apparently "cheap"! I don't earn that much money, but I stick with my statements that I for one would pay a premium price for a bike having some nice upgrades like a Mistral exhaust, aftermarket cross-over, new brakes, rotors, tires, and lets say around 10k miles on the engine, perfect paint, no issues what so ever, versus paying $2k less for a bike with 40k + miles on the clock, factory exhaust, some paint issues, maybe a dent in the tank, bad tires, old battery, powder coating peeling of the rims, but it's ok as a rider. That is just not me!
I have never understood how some people will buy something that is half way worn out, lets say either mechanical, cosmetically, or both, just in order to save some $$$.
For example: I had too many cars, so I sold my 2014 8k miles Honda Accord, which had nice features like a sun roof, power seats, premium stereo, ..... for $17k. That car was as perfect as a brand new car sitting at a dealers lot would be. A coworker of mine wanted to buy my Accord, but she only wanted to spend $15K. I told her that I could not give this car away, so she came back to me a couple of days later stating that she bought a great 2012 48k miles base Accord with no special features from a dealer for $15k. She then paid an additional $800.00 for an extended warranty protection package two weeks after the purchase, and the tires will need replacing in the next month or two....
I for one can't understand the reasoning that apparently many people have, of rather paying less for something that is ok right now, but will most definitely need money rather sooner then later, versus spending a "little" more up front to get something so much better. But then again, my way of thinking is apparently way different than that of others.
In addition, :smiley: I'm sticking with the "total purchase cost" of any bike that I buy, which will include the original purchase cost plus the money that I know I'm going to have to spend on repairs ahead of making the deal.
In my world, and maybe only in my world, I look at a bike sitting in my barn for which I paid $3.5k to purchase, and before buying this bike already knowing that it needs new tires, rotors, pads, a battery, the ECU needs to be replaced, and the fuel pump is not working. Lets say I estimate the replacement parts cost / repair cost to be right at $2k, So did I now pay only $3.5k for this bike, or did this bike in reality cost me $5.5k in order to have her sitting fully operational in my barn. In my world, I'm out $5.5k so that is the money I'm out off, regardless on how I look at it.
I am not planning on selling any of my bikes, since for me they are all more a labor of love, a hobby. But let's say that I would sell a original purchased cost of $3.5k bike, and I had spend an additional $2k in repairs or upgrades, which is now for me a $5.5k bike. I would tell any possible buyer who would low-ball and offer me $3.5k to go out and by himself one of those bikes. I would also tell him to please let me know on how the bike treated him and his wallet about a year later.
But again, I see things from my way perspective, with my way of thinking of what is logical, and what is not...... Maybe I am way off in my way of doing things, but I know that I get a smile on my face every time that I open the barn door, and all I see is my small collection of bikes that are pretty cool, and me knowing that I would not have it in any different way!
And I was not joking with my statement to please let me know of any low milage pristine 1100's that you know off and are for sale for $4.5k or less.... I'm still looking for a black and for a bronze/brown 1100, and I would love to find me one of each to be added to my stable, especially if they are already as nice as the bikes I have sitting here.
Best regards,
Andy
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Hi Lannis,
... but I stick with my statements that I for one would pay a premium price for a bike having some nice upgrades like a Mistral exhaust, aftermarket cross-over, new brakes, rotors, tires, and lets say around 10k miles on the engine, perfect paint, no issues what so ever ...
Andy
What you say all makes sense. But the above is the sticking point for me, usually.
How do I KNOW that the bike for which I'm considering paying a premium price "has no issues whatever"? I'd have to be smarter than I am now to know if the famous "Previous Owner" has done things right. Sure, if it's from someone I know and trust, that's one thing.
But otherwise, it's almost better to buy a bike that looks like it might be OK at a much lower price, and then make it so you KNOW it's right, either under your hands or someone who you know knows what they're doing ....
In other words, the choice might not be between the $3,500 bike that needs $2,500 worth of work and the $6,000 bike that doesn't need any work .... the choice might be between the $3,500 bike that needs $2,500 worth of work, and the $6,000 bike that needs $2,500 worth of work that you didn't spot ... !!
At least that's the way I figure it ...
Lannis
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How else does your Ducati compare to the Guzzi? I've got a Carb Sport 1100 and am curious how the two compare in regards to power and handling and overall character. I've always loved the look of the 92-98 ducati sports.
The Ducati is very smooth, light and nimble, very easy to ride fast. 6 speed tranny and hydraulic clutch obviously smoother. The Sport has more raw power, torque, and needs more effort changing direction. Quarter horse compared to a thoroughbred. I feel safer on the Guzzi. Both are gorgeous bikes.
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A couple of thoughts.
I've ridden a late '90s Ducati 900 SS and it is far easier to ride really fast than my sport. Hands down - No comparison. But...
The Guzzi Sport is far more... rewarding? to be ABLE to ride fast. You have to work the Guzzi. You have to anticipate. You have to will it. And when you get it right it just so godamn visceral.
I guess it says something that I own the Guzzi and only ever "borrowed" the Ducati...
Parked my Sport 100 next to my friend's Suzuki GSXR 600 at a local convenience store. We had some water and discussed that last few miles of our ride. As we do so, people are coming in and out of the store and walking past our bikes.
3 separate kids ( 20-somethings ) all stopped and asked about the Guzzi. Nobody gave a second glance to the latest Japanese track weapon.
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3 separate kids ( 20-somethings ) all stopped and asked about the Guzzi. Nobody gave a second glance to the latest Japanese track weapon.
And whether we like to admit it or not, that's half the fun! :bow:
Lannis
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Having ridden 11 different Guzzi's I can say even the V50 felt wide compared to any of my 900ss's.
Out of all the motorcycles I've had the 900cc 2 valve air cooled Ducati motor is what I'd consider perfect for street riding followed by the Guzzi 2 valve 1100cc motor.
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Out of all the motorcycles I've had the 900cc 2 valve air cooled Ducati motor is what I'd consider perfect for street riding followed by the Guzzi 2 valve 1100cc motor.
Good ones ... and I'll add the old Suzuki GT-750 triple to the list. No valves to adjust, 1200 miles to a quart of injector oil, extremely tractable, smooth, never overheated ....
Lannis
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:1: on the GT750. :thumb:
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I had an 1100 Sport and it was an excellent motorcycle when sorted out, like this one. The very good quality componentry was one thing I really liked, and it's a really beautiful bike too. I replaced it with a Daytona that I still have but sometimes I think about another 1100 Sport.
I also have a belt drive Ducati 900SS and a bevel drive 900SS. Comparing the belt drive SS to the 1100 Sport, the only things I find much in common are the relatively slow steering geometry and a V-twin engine. Otherwise they are quite different - the belt drive SS is a sport bike built to a budget, but with its short wheelbase and light weight it's a very capable bike on a tight road. The 1100 Sport is a higher quality device with longer legged, more mature feel. More of a classic, a bike you'd love forever. In that way more like the bevel SS.
Comparing the engines of all the bikes above and other V-twin powered bikes I've owned, the best overall engine is the carburated Suzuki SV650... It just needs a bit more power but is otherwise simple, effective, well designed and reliable... There's a reason Suzuki was even able to sell SV engines to other manufacturers like Cagiva - they're good. I love my older Italian bikes, bikes like that will never be built again but particularly when comparing bikes built in the 21st century, I like the Suzuki.
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OK Fellas, it's down to $5000....
"Bought new in 1996 from The Spare Parts Company in Philadelphia. Mileage 45,xxx, new tires, staintune full exhaust, Keihin FCR flat slides carbs. Heads were redone with new valves and valve guides. No issues at all. Clear PA title."
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We'll know the real value when it sells. :tongue:
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What you say all makes sense. But the above is the sticking point for me, usually.
How do I KNOW that the bike for which I'm considering paying a premium price "has no issues whatever"? I'd have to be smarter than I am now to know if the famous "Previous Owner" has done things right. Sure, if it's from someone I know and trust, that's one thing.
But otherwise, it's almost better to buy a bike that looks like it might be OK at a much lower price, and then make it so you KNOW it's right, either under your hands or someone who you know knows what they're doing ....
In other words, the choice might not be between the $3,500 bike that needs $2,500 worth of work and the $6,000 bike that doesn't need any work .... the choice might be between the $3,500 bike that needs $2,500 worth of work, and the $6,000 bike that needs $2,500 worth of work that you didn't spot ... !!
At least that's the way I figure it ...
Lannis
Ah, yes, that is the question! I agree with parts of both viewpoints. I'm facing that same issue with a couple of Eldorado's I'm looking at now. But, with the hypothetical $3.5K bike you're almost guaranteed to need $2.5K additional work/labor to make it "right" to whatever your personal standard is; with the $6K bike the chances are much better that you'll only need $.5K to do so. So, in the words of Harry Callahan (Dirty Harry)..."Do you feel lucky, punk?" So far, I've been relatively lucky in paying what some would say was "too much" for my used car & bike purchases over the years, with one notable exception that cost me an arm & 3 legs in follow-on repairs, but you accomplished mechanics in the group absolutely can do better by going the "buy cheap & fix it up myself" route, if you are buying the bike for yourself. However, if you're thinking of flipping it, the "buy cheap..." route rarely results in a bike "worth" more than the money that was put into it to get it right - especially if you consider the value of the labor, unless the bike was gotten at a giveaway price to start with.
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I've mentioned before when doing one of my barn find projects.. the cheapest bike you can find is probably the most expensive. :smiley: That's ok. I *like* doing projects. <shrug>
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I've mentioned before when doing one of my barn find projects.. the cheapest bike you can find is probably the most expensive. :smiley: That's ok. I *like* doing projects. <shrug>
Right on Chuck!
I could not have stated your comment any better....... You just explained in one sentence of what I tried to explain in an essay!
Andy
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This Sport was just sold a couple of days ago. I made two offers, but the owner sold the bike for almost his asking price of $5k. The owner did not tell me the exact selling cost. Either way, $4k did not buy it, which was the max that I was willing to pay. In hindsight, maybe I should have upped my offer, stripped the bike of what I wanted, and then sold her again for maybe $1.5k less...... But, there will be no crying over spilled milk! The owner's son told me that a Custom Motorcycle Shop out of Florida which purchased the bike will make a custom bike out of the 1100. I guess that there is going to be one less original 1100 on the road from here on out. Good for me and my bikes!
Andy
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And as always, please let me know if you guys know of any running or not 1100 Sports for sale! :)
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Oh for F***king crying out loud, it's going to be butchered?!?!?!
I hope it's not another "Santiago Chopper" build. I've one of their Guzzi builds in person and am not impressed in the least. Very slapdash.
Moto Studio might treat it a little better. I've never seen their work close up so they get the benefit of the doubt.
Either way it's a shame.
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The Santiago guys did an 1100 Sport custom a few years ago. I didn't think much of it, but they sold me some of the stuff they didn't use for very reasonable prices. I guess I need to be watching ebay.
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Yes, Santiago was my instant thought. It will be shiny, weird but pretty, with a big price tag and a 44k mile drivetrain.
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Looks like this Sport sold for a bit more than recent Sport 1100 sales. Maybe they are finally starting to appreciate in value.