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I still don't believe it. I will be interested when it's 4V and I'd buy one with a Hi-Cam.Pete
change your stagename to Thomasand keep telling us your world is flatalbeit with rollers retro fitted !enough of them made now, doubt anyone cares if none get sold in Bungendore.but if you ever get to ride one.........
I have not ridden a V9 or such..I just wish theyíd just published a figure around the mid 70 mark and we could all just back away from the till
I'll ride one when it's available Martin and I'll be honest in my assessment. I'll eat humble pie if I have to, that's not an issue. You however continually bang on about the awfulness of bike's that as far as I know you've never ridden, or at least never ridden one that was well set up and maintained. That's fine, but I think that your comments should be seen through the prism of not being able to see advances to engine and engine management technology beyond the 1960's. Sure, the V85 uses some new materials which may, nay will, improve its performance but it remains an essentially unchallenging design with several flaws I worry about. But there again, as you say. I'm a lone voice in Bungendore. I'm OK with that.Pete
I just wish theyíd just published a figure around the mid 70 mark and we could all just back away from the till...
It has already been dynoed at 75 or maybe a little more at the rear wheel on an eddy current dyno, I think.It might be a little less on a real dyno but it's still impressive.
completely irrelevant Huzo been said too often only truth with dyno is comparitive numbersthe 80 number compares to other Guzzis and prob Aprilias toothey didnít build a dyno for v85it is same dyno as v7, v9 ,1400 etc etc
Heíll be the the only one to get their paws on mine for servicing beyond my own capabilities.I hope he takes it out and belts the living suitcase out of it..(within reason).I cannot see why having 4VPC will make it any more desireable, or it can have itís cam on top of the handlebars if thatís high enough..!I thought it felt strong as an Ox.It pulls like a 15 year old with a Penthouse..!
How many times do I have to say it Martin. It's not what it is, it's what it's being promoted as. I have a variety of concerns about a variety of aspects about its engineering. I've never said I think it won't be popular. I just think it is boring, disappointing and not what I want as a motorbike. Others are more than welcome to their views.Pete
Someone help me with this. Guzzi currently publishes hp and torque specs for both these engines I'm curious as to what they've done to increase the hp from 55 to 80, and torque from 63 nm to 80 nm on an engine with the same bore (84mm) and stroke (77mm.) Both engines are air cooled, and both have 2v/cyl heads. I could not find compression ratio figures or cam timing data. The V85 is an intriguing bike I'd like to look into further, but I haven't found anything to validate the published hp and torque figures. Is it possible that the Bobber and Roamer engine is intentionally de-tuned?
So Aussie civil war aside hopefully you've gotten the answer.The V9 isn't under-rated, compared to the V85 (though dyno charts on the V9 have made me wonder if they don't under-rate it and V7III slightly on the crank figures). I also wonder if the age old mantra that there is nothing more to wring out of a smallblock changed with the Hemi head.But regardless you can see the V85 has a number of changes (intake, valve train, materials, lower internal frictional loses) which add up to the not insignificant power jump from the V9's 51 rwhp.You really see the difference in tuning at peak rpms - V85 70+ rwhp @ ~8000 rpm vs V9 51 hp @ 6500.So the V85 is designed/tuned to spin up more. Not necessarily something that translates to the style/use of the V9 anyway.
Heron head Kev.
You mis-read.CHANGED WITH THE HEMI HEAD - i.e. I think the Heron head design limited hp gains from uncorking, but it I suspect that CHANGED with the introduction of the Hemi head on the V9, V7III and now V85.
My previous 3 modern bikes have been BMW GS1200LC, Ducati 1200 Multistrada and Triumph Tiger 800. I had a test ride on the V85, thought about it for a couple of days and then placed an order. Forget the BHP figures, it's a delight to ride and I'm champing at the bit waiting for mine to arrive. Oh and of the above 3 bikes I'd rate the Tiger 800 as the best FOR ME. The Multi might have 160 bhp, but doesn't make it more fun to ride in my eyes.
I'll ride one when it's available Martin and I'll be honest in my assessment. I'll eat humble pie if I have to, that's not an issue. You however continually bang on about the awfulness of bike's that as far as I know you've never riddenPete
.....only truth with dyno is comparitive numbers......
This whole question about dyno inaccuracy puzzles meI work for a company that rebuilds and tests industrial gas turbines and we test them on a calibrated water brake (dyno) for power output at various loads up to full loadHowever, our test results are adjusted back to ISO (International Standards Organisation) specifications using specified calculations to adjust for the actual ambient air temperature, air pressure, calorific value of the fuel used, etc. on the day of the testTherefore it doesn't mater that our engine is tested at 10C at sea level and the customer is running at 25C at altitude, as the contracted power is the corrected ISO figureIt also means that it wouldn't matter if it was tested on our brake or another companies as the corrected figure would be the sameDoes the auto industry not have a similar standard means to normalise data results so that comparisons can be made?
I've been riding a 1991 R100GS since, well, 1991. I think the V85 is a reasonable replacement/stable companion for that bike. ........ I threw a bunch of $$ at the old GS this past fall, and am very happy with the results to date. Just a short 75 mile ride today, but that was enough to make me recall how much I appreciate this old bike. I'm hoping the V85 is a similar machine.Bob
You should buy a new V85TT, and KEEP the R100GS.
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