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[NGC] Craftsmen
« on: March 09, 2016, 12:01:51 PM »
Thought some of the older guys (and I include myself) here might enjoy this:



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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2016, 12:10:08 PM »
I've ran a Landis grinder like this..  :smiley:

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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2016, 12:11:09 PM »
Very little of this remaining. Labour has become deskilled. Just push this button. . .

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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2016, 12:17:06 PM »
Skilled machinists are still around.  A tour of your local automotive machine shop may surprise you.  But you sure won't see machines to cam grind pistons!
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2016, 12:33:23 PM »
AAAAHHH! The good old days when a machinist poured his own babbit. Had to cringe when I saw the open belts and the operator wearing a shop coat.
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2016, 12:58:36 PM »
Yeah, our modern health and safety codes that people whinge about began back in those days of three-fingered and one-armed, one-eyed machinists.
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2016, 01:15:52 PM »
  Or you could do it like Burt Munro by casting your pistons in a can and turning them on a home made lathe.
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2016, 02:48:05 PM »
Sorry HA but I must disagree. The people that program 7 axis mill turn machines are highly skilled - just different skills

TJ I know of 2 companies over here that can cam turn piston rings so not all the more obscure techniques are dead

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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2016, 03:09:09 PM »
I understand, Tris.  You just don' t normally find things like that in a typical automotive machine shop now.  Model shops and prototype shops can have some neat stuff though.  Back when I was in college, the process for making prototype boat propellers could be pretty skill oriented, with a lot of hand work, for example.
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2016, 05:47:47 PM »
Check out the bloke in the tie. He could be your doctor if his coat was cleaner :grin:
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2016, 05:49:56 PM »
Thanks for the posting twowings.  Great old photos.
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2016, 07:00:55 PM »
I've been a printer; done just about every task and phase.  In the olden days if one needed type for some specific use, then that person would have to count the words in the provided copy - separating body from head from any sub heads. That someone would have to judge which type faces and versions would look nice and be readable and attractive within the setting. The person had to know what sort of thing the type had to fit: column width and total inches. Are there multiple columns assigned and if so are they adjacent or on different pages? What does the layout actually look like. Correct spellings and or errors in grammar in the copy.

Then the math began. How many words, how many headers or footers or whatever? What is the X height of the type face and style and size chosen, what will be the intended leading and how much space after any heads? Run the math and see how many inches you have versus how many you need; then compare these and make a better guess at type specifications. Try to not have clumsy paragraph breaks at the bottoms or tops of columns. Get it worked out. Then hand corrected copy along with your specifications to the typesetter. You want it right because whether the typesetter is operating a real Linotype or Intertype hot type machine a more modern Linotype Hell Phototypestter; your company has paid for the output and will not want to buy a second run because you're not such a good typographer...and that was a position and a trade and a good one...and I was one.

Now type it all in to a page layout programme and let the software do the work and it is so easy and so many printed things look like hell because too many types and no consideration of type on a real page with contrast between stock and ink. There may still be skills in printing, but they ain't the same.


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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2016, 07:09:45 PM »
I learned with a California Job Case and a composing stick, but it was only junior high school printing class.     :grin:
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2016, 07:13:23 PM »
cool historical pics.  There are still so many craftsman (women) it will always produce a job market.  A craftswoman built my aluminum tank for my guzzi

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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2016, 07:44:48 PM »
I had a Van Norman piston turning and grinding machine with full sets of dies for cam grinding Pistons for Indians,Studebakers on and on.I traded it for some head work because at the time I didn't have a place for it. It weighed about 1500 pounds. Enjoyable to fool around with, wish I still had it
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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2016, 07:49:21 PM »
I had a Van Norman piston turning and grinding machine with full sets of dies for cam grinding Indians,Studebakers on and on.I traded it for some head work because at the time I didn't have a place for it. It weighed about 1500 pounds. Enjoyable to fool around with, wish I still had it

I'd pay admission to see that thing in operation.

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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2016, 08:50:41 PM »
anyone know of where I can get old con rods from a Triumph 650 re-babbited?

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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2016, 09:16:41 PM »
Both my manual mill (1893 Becker) and my manual lathe (1927 P&W) are wonderful machines still. Although the Becker has had its overhead belt replaced with a modern electric motor.

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Re: [NGC] Craftsmen
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2016, 09:27:35 PM »
anyone know of where I can get old con rods from a Triumph 650 re-babbited?

 If ya just gotta , Paul's Rod and Bearing , Parkville MO. I would get the machine work done and convert to inserts .

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