Will Piaggio continue to support CARC?

[Adan]

In contemplating my ?Next Guzzi?, my thoughts keep wandering back to the Griso.  I owned one for a year, sold it for financial reasons, later bought a discounted 9T, but now need to get back on a Guzzi.

So with CARC bikes no longer in production, does this predict an eventual diminishment of parts availability for the line?  Is this question to crystal ball-ish to make sense?

I'm not saying this would be the deciding factor for me, but it's a factor.

Reminiscing, reading, gazing upon pictures of the Griso.  The Force is very strong . . .

Thanks, and please don't interpret this as an invitation to start a gripe-fest.  We have other threads for that.

[bad Chad]

The CARC may not be dead even though production has halted for the time being.  As to parts and support, you need not worry.

You can still get almost anything you need for 45 year old Guzzi!  CARC bikes were in production for over a decade, there are tens of thousands eating tarmac around the world, you will have no problem getting what you need.

[Zoom Zoom]

The current red/black G is rather striking if I say so myself. My dealer has one. Top end is rollers  . The CARC seems to be a pretty solid design all in all. If it were the bike I wanted, I would not be too concerned about future needs such as seals. As for major stuff, that neither. I figure that if nothing else, you could score a rear drive off a wrecked bike if you really wanted to and have it in the wings just for that warm fuzzy feeling.

Just my 2 cents.

John Henry

[Adan]

New Red Diavolo's, where they exist, can be had for under $14,000 out the door.  Pretty good deal.  The Tenni's (which I owned) are of course gorgeous but the red and black has a personality and attitude all its own.

[pete roper]

All models are obliged by law to be supported for ten years minimum. Most engine and driveline parts are common to the 1400. Parts aren't a concern.

Pete

[Cool Runnings]

All models are obliged by law to be supported for ten years minimum. Most engine and driveline parts are common to the 1400. Parts aren't a concern.

Pete

It's delivery that's a problem...... 

[ITSec]

New Red Diavolo's, where they exist, can be had for under $14,000 out the door.  Pretty good deal.  The Tenni's (which I owned) are of course gorgeous but the red and black has a personality and attitude all its own.

Just remember  with the Ducati to set an equal amount of dollars aside for the first couple years' worth of maintenance; a lot of Diavels are sold when they reach their first major service interval (I personally know of three).

(edited to change Diavolo to my intended target, Diavels - sorry for the confusion!)

[Adan]

Just remember to set an equal amount of dollars aside for the first couple years' worth of maintenance; a lot of Diavolos are sold when they reach their first major service interval (I personally know of three).

I've never heard of this.  Maintenance is valves and oil changes.  Even I can do it, and I'm not an expert wrench by any stretch.

[pete roper]

I've never heard of this.  Maintenance is valves and oil changes. Even I can do it, and I'm not an expert wrench by any stretch.

There's a bit more to it than that. If the service regimen is considered to be simply 'Valves and oil changes' I'm not surprised a lot of them get sold on.

Pete

[Adan]

I'm trying to understand ITsec's statement.  I've never heard that the Griso was outrageously expensive to maintain, even if a professional does the whole thing.  The 6K is probably about $700-800 US.

[Cam3512]

Just remember to set an equal amount of dollars aside for the first couple years' worth of maintenance; a lot of Diavolos are sold when they reach their first major service interval (I personally know of three).

What?  You must be thinking of Ducati!

[Adan]

Diavel, Diavolo, it's a semantic misunderstanding.

[ITSec]

I'm trying to understand ITsec's statement.  I've never heard that the Griso was outrageously expensive to maintain, even if a professional does the whole thing.  The 6K is probably about $700-800 US.

I was - I was trying to say Diavel and ended up saying Diavolo.

[Lesman]

What is the deal about CARC bikes needing to be Rollerized? So any 8V bike needs to have an upgrade to avoid grenading?
Is this a formal recall? Is this only specific to CARC bikes and not the new Cal 1400's?

[rocker59]

What is the deal about CARC bikes needing to be Rollerized? So any 8V bike needs to have an upgrade to avoid grenading?
Is this a formal recall? Is this only specific to CARC bikes and not the new Cal 1400's?

"Rollerize" is needed for early 1200 8v bikes.

Cal 14 and late 1200 8v bikes come with roller lifters from the factory.

Not an issue on 1100/1200 2vpc CARC bikes.

[Lesman]

Who pays for the rollarization? What years were affected in particular. Is this all CARC bikes and not just a specific model.?

[rocker59]

Who pays for the rollarization? What years were affected in particular. Is this all CARC bikes and not just a specific model.?

I don't recall off the top of my head, but there are many threads here on the issue, if you do some searching.

[pete roper]

It has nothing to do with the CARC per se, it is a problem with the valve train design in early 8V motors. As Mike says it's been covered extensively on this board and elsewhere. Search and you'll find multiple explanations.

Pete

[leafman60]

I have not seen anything that officially acknowledges that the CARC or some other similar set-up will not be in next year's line up.

I'd be careful about assuming things like that with Guzzi.

I certainly do not know - either way.

[bad Chad]

Oh, we should be careful about make such assumptions with Guzzi should we?

Thanks ye of great experience.  The fact that Daniel was able to confirm production has ceased must only be considered as a fluff in the minutia right?

[oldbike54]

 Yeah , if I was a gambling man , I'd bet on Pete and Deke being right .

                                                        The CARC is dead
                                                       

 Dusty

[pete roper]

And I don't think anybody is suggesting there will never be another Guzzi with a reactive rear drive. My only worry is that going back to 1950's suspension tech is a retrograde move and will in the long run be counter productive.

Pete

[bad Chad]

My bet is we will see a chain/ belt drive next with more hp than we have seen to date, my money is on some short of reveal in November.

[oldbike54]

My bet is we will see a chain/ belt drive next with more hp than we have seen to date, my money is on some short of reveal in November.

 Chad , will you share some of what you're smoking 

 Dusty